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Young mom & 3-year-old tot son decomposing in woods: WHO MURDERED KARISSA & BABY BILL FRETWELL · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. Chrissa's family contacted police Friday,
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Speaker 1: saying they hadn't seen or her from her orders son, Billy,
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Speaker 1: since the day after Mother's Day. Our Amy Frasier, is
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Speaker 1: live in northwest Salem right now outside of Chriss's apartment.
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Speaker 1: What have you found out? Amy? Right now? Police are
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Speaker 1: releasing very little information about this case. Neighbors tell me
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Speaker 1: twenty five year old Chrissa Fretwell was typically pretty quiet
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Speaker 1: and kept to herself. One neighbor believes she may have
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Speaker 1: worked a security job. They also recall seeing her with
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Speaker 1: her son, Billy, who's three. Several neighbors say a family
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Speaker 1: member came by a few days ago worried about Charissa
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Speaker 1: and her son, saying no one had seen or heard
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Speaker 1: from them since May thirteenth. A couple that lives right
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Speaker 1: behind Chriss's says they've noticed her TV has been on
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Speaker 1: non stop with the same screen displayed four days. I
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Speaker 1: Nancy Grace, this is Crime Stories. Thank you for being
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Speaker 1: with us. Carissa and William Fretwell. Carissa, a twenty five
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Speaker 1: year old mom, Little Bill, her three year old child
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Speaker 1: go missing. That's not a good sign, very very ominous.
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Speaker 1: For the TV to be on. Now, that in itself
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Speaker 1: is not unusual. Maybe she left it on while she
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Speaker 1: was going to the grocery store. Maybe she left it
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Speaker 1: on for a number of reasons. But it clearly shows
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Speaker 1: they're not in the home for the same screen to
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Speaker 1: be displayed. And when three days passed, you know something's
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Speaker 1: very very wrong. Listen to our friend Amy Frasier, a
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Speaker 1: KOI N six. Carissa Fretwell and her son Billy disappeared
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Speaker 1: the day after Mother's Day. Our Amy Frasier, met with
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Speaker 1: police their neighbors in Northwest Salem. Neighbors here tell us
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Speaker 1: the young mother has always kept to herself. On her
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Speaker 1: Facebook page, she writes, her son is her world. I
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Speaker 1: just saw it on Facebook. My daughter posted it. People
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Speaker 1: who live near the Quintero apartments in Salem say they
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Speaker 1: never thought twice about seeing twenty five year old Carrissa
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Speaker 1: Fretwell and her three year old son Billy until now.
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Speaker 1: I feel second to second my stomach. A white car
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Speaker 1: registered to the missing mom is parked outside her apartment.
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Speaker 1: Right in front of it, a Green Mountaineer with a
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Speaker 1: college financial aid application that appears to be signed by
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Speaker 1: Fretwell in the front seat, but no one has seen
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Speaker 1: or heard from mother or son since Monday, May thirteenth.
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Speaker 1: Straight out to syndicate A talk show host Dave Matt, Dave,
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Speaker 1: I want to take this from the very beginning. First
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Speaker 1: of all, tell me about Carissa and Bill Fretwell, mom
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Speaker 1: and son. Yeah, she's a single mom, Nancy, and she
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Speaker 1: and Billy they do everything together. As you heard, very
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Speaker 1: quiet why peel don't really know who she is, but
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Speaker 1: they what they know of her is wonderful. She's shy,
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Speaker 1: she's got a loving family. But all of a sudden,
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Speaker 1: out of the clear blue, she and Billy go missing,
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Speaker 1: and we've got nothing. You mentioned the TV being on
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Speaker 1: and being on the same screen for multiple days. Just
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Speaker 1: got Morgan joining me, forensics expert, Professor Forensics Jacksonville State
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Speaker 1: University and author of Blood Beneath My Feet on Amazon.
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Speaker 1: Just got question. Two vehicles connected to Charissa Fretwell right
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Speaker 1: there in front of her home. That tells me a lot. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: it does, Nancy. It gives us an indication that she
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Speaker 1: is still in or at least the vehicles or in
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Speaker 1: this location. They have not been moved, so she has
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Speaker 1: personally not gotten into the vehicles and exited this location,
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Speaker 1: so that gives us the question where is she and
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Speaker 1: how did she get away from this place? The vehicles
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Speaker 1: being parked at her place tell me a little bit
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Speaker 1: more in my mind, or at least I can't a
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Speaker 1: little more conjecture. It tells me that may have been
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Speaker 1: the last place that she was, she was last known
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Speaker 1: to be there. The TV is on, the vehicles are there.
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Speaker 1: That gives me kind of the beginning of a timeline
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Speaker 1: there at the home to doctor Ryan Fuller, Clinical Psychologists,
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Speaker 1: executive director of New York Behavioral Help, Doctor Fuller, thanks
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Speaker 1: for being with us. You know the way that Dave
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Speaker 1: Mack described Chrissa a family person but very quiet, seemingly shy.
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Speaker 1: Her whole world was taking care of the three year
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Speaker 1: old little boy Bill m You know, this is not
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Speaker 1: like a person that goes out a lot at night,
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Speaker 1: that is an avid jogger, last seen on a wooded trail,
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Speaker 1: didn't have people that she didn't know very well trooping
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Speaker 1: in and out of her apartment all the time. That
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Speaker 1: tells me a lot about her way in. Yeah, I mean,
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Speaker 1: I think does an extent that someone's person personality style
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Speaker 1: is focused on the home, focused on the child and
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Speaker 1: the family, and you know, she's described as someone I
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Speaker 1: guess it seems like she worked, but other than that,
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Speaker 1: she might have been around the house a lot. It
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Speaker 1: seems like she's going to be protective, and we don't
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Speaker 1: we don't know for sure, but we can imagine someone
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Speaker 1: like that's going to be careful, and so a stranger
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Speaker 1: might have a rough time getting around. Another issue, Doctor Fuller,
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Speaker 1: is that if you've got a homebody, it really closes
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Speaker 1: in the circle of people you're exposed to. Of course,
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Speaker 1: there's always the potential of a stranger on stranger, but
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Speaker 1: when you have a smaller circle, that reduces the potential killers.
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Speaker 1: The number of potential killers now, of course, to you,
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Speaker 1: Joe Scott Morgan, there's always a nut at the gross
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Speaker 1: store or in the parking lot. I spoke with a
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Speaker 1: woman the other day who had her three boys with
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Speaker 1: her and she went from Kroger across the street to
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Speaker 1: the drug store and some nut follower from the Kroger
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Speaker 1: jelly department and ended up in her van while she
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Speaker 1: was in the drug store. I mean, so it does happen.
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Speaker 1: The point I'm trying to make, in a very roundabout
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Speaker 1: way is the smaller your circle friends or you know, acquaintances,
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Speaker 1: is the smaller the net. Yeah, you're right, Nancy. Even
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Speaker 1: though those those stranger on stranger events are very, very scary,
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Speaker 1: we have to admit that you go out and interact
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Speaker 1: with people like this and you come in contact with them.
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Speaker 1: What's really really kind of from an investigative standpoint, a
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Speaker 1: really key here is that those intimates, those people that
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Speaker 1: are in our orbit, those are the people that you
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Speaker 1: really have to keep your eye on. Well, let me
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Speaker 1: ask you this today, Max, syndicated talk show host, tell
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Speaker 1: me about the search for Charissa and Bill. What does
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Speaker 1: it entail everything? Nancy, it entails You mentioned the timeline
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Speaker 1: of tracking exactly when she was last seen, which is
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Speaker 1: the day after Mother's Day. The police began right there
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Speaker 1: at her apartment and went door to door, then neighborhood
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Speaker 1: by neighborhood. They've interviewed neighbors who really can't shed a
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Speaker 1: lot of information. They've interviewed family members. It was family
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Speaker 1: members that actually reported her missing. They've interviewed them, and
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Speaker 1: they've continued to just spread out one by one. But
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Speaker 1: this is almost door to door, street to street right now,
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Speaker 1: just trying to get any kind of information you mentioned.
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Speaker 1: Her vehicles are still there at the apartment complex, so
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Speaker 1: there's no sign that she went anywhere. Willingly, You're absolutely right.
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Speaker 1: Take a listen to KOI n six. One neighbor tells
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Speaker 1: me he did notice something unusual at her apartment, but
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Speaker 1: that was about two months ago and he has no
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Speaker 1: idea if it might be related. We heard a man
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Speaker 1: in a woman arguing incredibly loud. Man was swearing a lot,
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Speaker 1: and there was a kid crying in the background, and
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Speaker 1: the woman was yelling at him to get out of
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Speaker 1: her apartment. Dave, Mike, don't laid me on. What exactly
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Speaker 1: do they hear Nancy? A couple of months before she
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Speaker 1: goes missing. Before she and Billy go missing, the neighbors
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Speaker 1: said they heard a violent argument inside her apartment. They
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Speaker 1: heard a little boy crying in the background, They heard
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Speaker 1: a lot of profanity coming from a man they didn't
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Speaker 1: identify who, and yet they heard Carissa repeatedly screaming, get
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Speaker 1: out of my apartment. Now that's like two months before
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Speaker 1: she and Billy go missing. Okay, we're learning a lot
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Speaker 1: about her, but then we come upon this. She just
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Speaker 1: recently moved to another apartment and new job in West
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Speaker 1: Salem while battling Wolf in court for child support. A
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Speaker 1: paternity test last year proved he was Billy's father, but
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Speaker 1: court record show Wolf, who's married and has other older children,
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Speaker 1: petitioned to have the amount reduced. He was supposed to
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Speaker 1: begin payments soon. I think the child supporter kind of
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Speaker 1: topped it off for Michael. I think he, I don't
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Speaker 1: want to think that he did anything, but it's just
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Speaker 1: super weird that it was the time frame crime stories
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Speaker 1: with Nancy Grace. She just recently moved to another apartment
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Speaker 1: and new job in West Salem while battling Wolf in
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Speaker 1: court for child support. A paternity test last year proved
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Speaker 1: he was Billy's father, but court record show Wolf, who's
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Speaker 1: married and has other older children, petition to have the
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Speaker 1: amount reduced. He was supposed to begin payments soon. I
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Speaker 1: think the child support kind of topped it off for Michael.
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Speaker 1: I think he, I don't want to think that he
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Speaker 1: did anything, but it's just super weird that it was
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Speaker 1: the time frame. It was like three or four weeks ago. Now,
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Speaker 1: the former volunteer Gaston firefighter sits behind bars while a
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Speaker 1: community searches for answers holding out. Hope a mother and
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Speaker 1: her son are found. That breaks my heart. I hope
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Speaker 1: she's okay, No, just on misera hold, okay, let me
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Speaker 1: understand something joining you right now. Criminal defense attorney federal
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Speaker 1: trial lawyer, Paula Detari Paula. How can he have a
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Speaker 1: wife and children and nobody knows he's going to court
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Speaker 1: to get child support payments reduced? Well and Nancy, just
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Speaker 1: like he had an affair and he impregnated this young woman.
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Speaker 1: His family had no idea that he did that. I mean,
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Speaker 1: I think he managed to ev there. You know, his
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Speaker 1: wife's knowing about this this court. Here's another thing. I mean,
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Speaker 1: when you challenge paternity of a child, you say it's
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Speaker 1: not my child, you go to court, there's a hearing
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Speaker 1: for that because it had to be a court ordered
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Speaker 1: paternity test. Then you get child support thrown on you,
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Speaker 1: which you deserve that and more. But then he goes
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Speaker 1: back to court. I mean, how could he keep it
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Speaker 1: a secret? You know, doctor Ryan Fuller, Executive director of
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Speaker 1: New York Behavioral Health. Doctor Fuller, if you don't show
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Speaker 1: up to court, it gets printed in the paper for
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Speaker 1: Pete's sake, in legal notices. How in the world. Did
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Speaker 1: this guy lead such a double life that he could
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Speaker 1: keep not one but two court proceedings and a whole
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Speaker 1: other family. He's got Crissa Fretwell, the baby boy now
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Speaker 1: three Bill Fretwell. He's fought paternity in court. Now he's
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Speaker 1: wanting a child support payment reduction. That's pretty public. How
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Speaker 1: did he manage? What kind of mindset is it that
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Speaker 1: you can keep all that a secret? Yeah, clinically and
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Speaker 1: and I've had a number of clients who actually have
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Speaker 1: sort of led two lives and have had, you know,
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Speaker 1: two separate families or people on the side. So one,
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Speaker 1: it's possible the family just wasn't on top of the news.
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Speaker 1: But he also might be someone, I mean, I don't
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Speaker 1: know about him, but someone who could do this to
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Speaker 1: be quite chrismatic or manipulative or try to convince the
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Speaker 1: person they're wrong and what they're reading is it accurate,
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Speaker 1: and things like that, and just to convince the person
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Speaker 1: they're trustworthy and they should be believed as opposed to
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Speaker 1: others or news stories. Well, let me ask you this,
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Speaker 1: doctor Fuller, is there a name for that personality? It's
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Speaker 1: some kind of personality disorder that you have a whole
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Speaker 1: double life, including a secret baby. There's not a specific
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Speaker 1: personality this sort of money and caps like that, although
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Speaker 1: in the cases I've seen clinically sometimes there are aspects
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Speaker 1: of narcissistic personality disorder where the person just thinks they're
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Speaker 1: sort of grand and worthy of having more than that,
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Speaker 1: and that the other person may not deserve them, and
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Speaker 1: something like that, But it's not specific to having two families.
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Speaker 1: Talk about leading a double life. Listen to our friend
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Speaker 1: Emily Burris. Friends say the two met when Carrissa was
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Speaker 1: working at a sandwich shop in mcmanville. Wolf was working
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Speaker 1: at Cascade Steel, where Carrissa also began part time work
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Speaker 1: as a security guard. After getting pregnant. They say she
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Speaker 1: co signed and moved into a new apartment with his help.
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Speaker 1: He had like a second key maid, and there was
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Speaker 1: multiple occasions that he was already in her apartment when
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Speaker 1: she got home. But then we come upon this listen.
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Speaker 1: The Yamhill County District Attorney says they were back this
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Speaker 1: week in an area between the city of Yamhill and
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Speaker 1: Gaston that they had previously searched. This time, it took
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Speaker 1: them just a couple of hours to find what crews
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Speaker 1: have been out looking for for weeks. The bodies of
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Speaker 1: Carrissa and Billy Fretwell were confused trying to process everything. Still,
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Speaker 1: emotions are raw for friends and family of Carrissive Fretwell,
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Speaker 1: as hopes that she and her son would be found
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Speaker 1: alive vanished over the weekend. She's gonna be very missed.
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Speaker 1: The young mother from Salem and her three year old son, Billy,
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Speaker 1: were discovered Saturday on a private rural property just miles
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Speaker 1: from the home of Michael Wolfe, the man accused in
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Speaker 1: their murders. But this is the area where we were, well,
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Speaker 1: where the investigators were un Ultimately, the two bodies were found,
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Speaker 1: the bodies of not only Carrissive Fretwell as twenty five,
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Speaker 1: but her little boy, three year old Bill Fretwell found
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Speaker 1: Dad listen. The Yamhill County District Attorney says growing evidence
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Speaker 1: pointed them to that property, where they learned wolf had
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Speaker 1: previously fished and cut firewood. The DA says, ultimately their
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Speaker 1: bodies were recovered on private property in an area further
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Speaker 1: up Turner Creek Road. But there were about forty to
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Speaker 1: fifty members of a search crew out here, and this
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Speaker 1: gives you an idea of the heavily forested conditions they
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Speaker 1: were dealing with. The bodies were partially hidden. Members of
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Speaker 1: the mcmonville Fire Department made the discovery. By Sunday. Medical
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Speaker 1: examiners confirmed the remains were Carrissa and Billy. Officials say
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Speaker 1: Carrissa died of a single gunshot to her head. They're
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Speaker 1: still trying to figure out how Billy was killed. The
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Speaker 1: news providing some closure, but little comfort. Billy didn't get
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Speaker 1: a living didn't get a live life. Aren't going to
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Speaker 1: do anything. It's he's a sick man for doing that.
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Speaker 1: I know why, just I'll never understand it. The family,
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Speaker 1: the loved ones of this gorgeous young mom, Charissa Fretwell,
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Speaker 1: and even more upsetting, her three year old little boy,
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Speaker 1: Bill Fretwell, absolutely distraught. It's hard enough to lose somebody
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Speaker 1: you love, I know, but then to discover they were murdered.
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Speaker 1: And it sounds to me to Joseph Scott Morgan, author
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Speaker 1: of Blood Beneath My Feet, death investigator, the killer went
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Speaker 1: to a lot of trouble to hide their bodies. They
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Speaker 1: stayed hidden for a long time, Yeah, they did, Nancy.
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Speaker 1: And this area is so isolated. I'm really wondering how
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Speaker 1: the investigators got onto this particular location. But needless to say,
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Speaker 1: it's it's not an easy task to get to this location'
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Speaker 1: And this is key. You're not going to find a
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Speaker 1: young mother and this beautiful little child just aimlessly wandering
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Speaker 1: around out there. They went out there with us specific purpose.
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Speaker 1: This would give us an indication they were taken to
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Speaker 1: this location. Well, now hold on just a moment. I mean,
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Speaker 1: let me go to Paula Natari, criminal defense attorney. Paula
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Speaker 1: it's just like Scott Peterson, he goes fishing. Where does
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Speaker 1: he hide the body in his old fishing hole the
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Speaker 1: San Francisco Bay. And if you take a look at criminals,
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Speaker 1: so many of them, it's like when a purp goes
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Speaker 1: on the run. And I would be talking to a
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Speaker 1: Bill bondsman in the hall of the courthouse. I'm like,
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Speaker 1: go to his mother's house and look under the bed.
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Speaker 1: If he's not there, look in the closet. It's it
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Speaker 1: goes back to what he knows. And here this was
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Speaker 1: the fishing hole of Michael wolf Bam. There are the bodies,
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Speaker 1: and in my experience, exactly investigators look at the likely polaces,
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Speaker 1: where where suspects might hide bodies, and here in this
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Speaker 1: particular case, this was his backyard. This is practically the
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Speaker 1: place where he did all of his fishing, and he
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Speaker 1: had access to this area. He knew the ground, so
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Speaker 1: was this was the perfect place for them to search,
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Speaker 1: and they exactly they found what they were looking for.
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Speaker 1: Crime stories with Nancy Grace. The DA says, ultimately their
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Speaker 1: bodies were recovered on private property in an area further
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Speaker 1: up Turner Creek Road. But there were about forty to
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Speaker 1: fifty members of a search crew out here, and this
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Speaker 1: gives you an idea of the heavily forested conditions they
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Speaker 1: were dealing with. The news providing some closure but little comfort.
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Speaker 1: Bilious get a live in, didn't get a live life,
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Speaker 1: didn't get to do anything. That's he's a sick man
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Speaker 1: for doing that. I know why, I'll never understand it.
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Speaker 1: The Yamhill County District Attorney says growing evidence pointed them
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Speaker 1: to that property, where they learned Wolf had previously fished
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Speaker 1: and cut firewood. The bodies were partially hidden. Members of
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Speaker 1: the mcmonville Fire Department made the discovery by Sunday. Medical
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Speaker 1: examiners confirmed the remains were Carrissa and Billy. Officials say
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Speaker 1: Carrissa died of a single gunshot to her head. They're
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Speaker 1: still trying to figure out how Billy was killed. I
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Speaker 1: want to go to doctor Tim Gallagher, renowned medical examiner
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Speaker 1: out of the Florida jurisdiction. Doctor Gallagher, the bodies had
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Speaker 1: been there, I mean once they started searching, they were
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Speaker 1: found fairly quickly, but a long time had passed many
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Speaker 1: many days until they started searching. Question is that why
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Speaker 1: they can't determine cod cause of death on the little boy?
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Speaker 1: Doctor Gallagher. There are a few things that happen to
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Speaker 1: a body when it's exposed to the elements. Number one
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Speaker 1: is the decomposition. Another thing that happens is animal predation.
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Speaker 1: So there could be a few compounding variables that have
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Speaker 1: the medical examiner trying to determine what the cause of
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Speaker 1: death is. Animal predation certainly is one. Other damage from
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Speaker 1: that may have been caused after the person had died
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Speaker 1: can also be another variable in trying to determine the
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Speaker 1: cause of death. So toxicology will also be another example.
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Speaker 1: So these things have to be determined. These things take
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Speaker 1: time to determine, and the cause of death cannot be
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Speaker 1: determined until all of these variables are either eliminated or
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Speaker 1: included to come up with the cause of death. Well,
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Speaker 1: doctor Gallagher or everyone medical and rejoining me out of Florida.
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Speaker 1: This occurs in Salem, Oregon. And I don't know what
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Speaker 1: the temperature was at the time, but it's getting really hot.
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Speaker 1: How does that affect the decomposition of the bodies. The
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Speaker 1: decomposition of the human body is directly related to the temperature,
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Speaker 1: so it would be higher the temperature the greatest rate
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Speaker 1: of human flesh decomposition. In places where it's very cold,
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Speaker 1: the rate of decomposition is very slow, so this also
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Speaker 1: must be taken into account when determining a the time
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Speaker 1: of death and then be the cause of death. You
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Speaker 1: know an interesting thing to J. Scott Morgan her bank card.
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Speaker 1: I'm talking about christophred Well, the young mom. Her bank
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Speaker 1: card and her glasses were left at home. Family members
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Speaker 1: reported they go in, the apartment, was unlocked. Things that
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Speaker 1: she normally would have had with her, we're still there.
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Speaker 1: What does that tell you about the way her death
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Speaker 1: went down? I think that whatever happened happened rather swiftly.
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Speaker 1: It kind of took her unawares. Nancy, this is a
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Speaker 1: young mother who has a small child. If she's required
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Speaker 1: to wear glasses in order just to make it around
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Speaker 1: in this world, she's not going to walk out of
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Speaker 1: the door without her classes on, you know, trying to
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Speaker 1: take care of a child. Also, what kind of means
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Speaker 1: did she have? Well, if she's using her bank card,
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Speaker 1: which most of us do, she has to have means
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Speaker 1: to buy gas or buy food, or whatever the case
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Speaker 1: might be. And she leaves this behind two. All of
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Speaker 1: these elements come into play when we're trying to paint
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Speaker 1: the picture of what actually happened in her last moments,
22:43
Speaker 1: you know, speaking of it being potentially a sudden a
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Speaker 1: sudden decision on the killer's part, I don't necessarily agree
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Speaker 1: with that, Joe Scott. I'll tell you why. I believe
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Speaker 1: that this was long planned. I think that this was
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Speaker 1: planned the day he had to go to court and
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Speaker 1: fight about whether Bill Fretwell the three year old little
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Speaker 1: boy was his child, the day he started fighting paternity,
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Speaker 1: the day he wanted that child support payment reduced. I mean,
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Speaker 1: this guy has been living in a very carefully constructed
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Speaker 1: double world for a long time. Okay, I think this
23:29
Speaker 1: was very carefully planned for one reason, so his wife
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Speaker 1: and family would not find out. To Dave Maxon to
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Speaker 1: get a talk show host, what if any is the evidence.
23:42
Speaker 1: Let me just add one little thing to this. Nancy,
23:44
Speaker 1: his wife did find out prior to their last court appearance,
23:50
Speaker 1: and that was what forced him to push for lowering
23:54
Speaker 1: that child support payment. On top of that, she was
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Speaker 1: seen outside of Charissa's arguing about wanting custody of little Billy,
24:04
Speaker 1: So they were already in the last week before she
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Speaker 1: goes missing. There was a lot of activity where Wolfe's
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Speaker 1: family did find out about Billy, found out he had fathered,
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Speaker 1: and his wife wanted that boy. According to what we're
24:16
Speaker 1: hearing from other neighbors, Okay, everybody in the studio's mouth
24:20
Speaker 1: is still dropped open. Okay, we need a shrink, and
24:25
Speaker 1: we need one fast start to Ryan Fuller helped me out.
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Speaker 1: So his wife, they already have children. He's got children
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Speaker 1: with his wife. She wants to launch a legal campaign
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Speaker 1: to take Bill, three year old Bill away from Caissa
24:41
Speaker 1: and get custody. What, as I said before, in the
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Speaker 1: conical cases I've seen oftentimes in those couples, there's really
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Speaker 1: a dominant player and so the person leading a double life.
24:54
Speaker 1: They might have convinced this spouse, you know, that they're
24:57
Speaker 1: really an empathetic character and needs to be done. And oftentimes,
25:02
Speaker 1: you know, you can see in these couples where this
25:04
Speaker 1: sort of dependent person goes along, doesn't want to see
25:07
Speaker 1: what's there in the first place, this double life, it's
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Speaker 1: kind of hiding it from themselves, are in denial, and
25:11
Speaker 1: then it comes to light and they're they painted in
25:15
Speaker 1: a picture that's much different. And you know, it sounds
25:17
Speaker 1: like in this case it's possible she, you know, had
25:20
Speaker 1: already forgiven and was even even open to bringing in um.
25:24
Speaker 1: You know, this biological sign into the family. Well, you
25:28
Speaker 1: know what, you sure are putting perfume on the pig.
25:30
Speaker 1: Doctor Fuller wanted to welcome the little boy into the family.
25:35
Speaker 1: It's a heck of a lot different then standing in
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Speaker 1: front of the lover's house screaming about getting custody of
25:44
Speaker 1: the little boy. That's a heck of a lot different.
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Speaker 1: As a matter of fact, the question of custody of
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Speaker 1: Bill is a powder keg. Listen, and if there's a
25:53
Speaker 1: custody issue, and I can't say that Charissa has sole
25:56
Speaker 1: custody of William they do reside together in West Salem.
26:02
Speaker 1: I know they had some problems because he was married
26:05
Speaker 1: and she was a little scared of him from the
26:08
Speaker 1: very beginning. Chris's friends, who knew of the relationship wondered
26:12
Speaker 1: whether he had something to do with her disappearance after
26:16
Speaker 1: she got pregnant. He did threaten her. He didn't want
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Speaker 1: his wife to find out Doctor Fuller boy in. It
26:20
Speaker 1: just seems like this is prevented long. Either she was
26:22
Speaker 1: unaware of her options about getting help from law enforcement
26:25
Speaker 1: of the legal system, she was too scared of the
26:27
Speaker 1: repercussions that he would act against her, or she didn't
26:31
Speaker 1: trust they'd be able to protect her. And this is
26:33
Speaker 1: one of the things that always frustrates me when I
26:34
Speaker 1: have people talking about people in their lives where it
26:38
Speaker 1: just seems like the stalking laws and harassment laws are
26:41
Speaker 1: not strong enough to give law enforcement enough resources to
26:45
Speaker 1: be able to go out and take care of someone
26:47
Speaker 1: like this who's obviously a threat to her and her
26:51
Speaker 1: son before something happens. And I just figured this panel
26:54
Speaker 1: knows more than than I knew about that, and wonder
26:58
Speaker 1: what can be done to sort of help people protect
27:00
Speaker 1: themselves before something so horrible like this tragedy happened, Doctor Fuller.
27:07
Speaker 1: In addition to working as a prosecutor in intercity Atlanta
27:11
Speaker 1: for ten years, I volunteered at night at the Battered
27:14
Speaker 1: Women's Center. I can't tell you how often I begged
27:17
Speaker 1: women to go forward to prosecute, to move out, to
27:22
Speaker 1: start over. They're just paralyzed with fear and they hope,
27:28
Speaker 1: they believe falsely that things will get better. I have
27:32
Speaker 1: no doubt in my mind this guy, Michael Wolfe, had
27:35
Speaker 1: threatened her on many occasions. She told her friends she
27:39
Speaker 1: was afraid, and you're absolutely right. I believe along with you,
27:44
Speaker 1: doctor Fuller, it was completely avoidable. She was just paralyzed
27:49
Speaker 1: in fear and in hope that somehow things would turn around.
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Speaker 1: Crime stories with Nancy Grace. We have taken into custody
28:14
Speaker 1: Michael John Wolfe. He has been taken into custody in
28:18
Speaker 1: the Portland area by Sailing Police Department detectives. Currently, he
28:23
Speaker 1: is going to be charged with aggravated murder on two
28:27
Speaker 1: counts and two counts of kidnapping in the first degree.
28:30
Speaker 1: He will be lodged in the Yamhill County Jail later tonight.
28:35
Speaker 1: Further charges will be determined by the Amhill County District
28:38
Speaker 1: Attorney's Office. A couple of things that come up during
28:40
Speaker 1: this investigation, one of which being whether or not a
28:44
Speaker 1: Wolf is a biological father of William Fretwell. As you
28:49
Speaker 1: all have reported, based on some other court records, we
28:52
Speaker 1: do believe that he is the biological father of William Fretwell. Okay,
28:57
Speaker 1: we know this god. Michael Wolfe, the married lover, the
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Speaker 1: father of three year old Bill Fretwell, has been taken
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Speaker 1: into custody. But listen to our friend Emily Burris. Investigators
29:08
Speaker 1: released probable cause documents revealing a timeline of surveillance video
29:13
Speaker 1: and cell phone evidence from the night Carrissa was last
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Speaker 1: seen at eight forty five. Surveillance video shows Wolf leaving
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Speaker 1: Cascade Steel during the shift he told investigators he was working.
29:24
Speaker 1: Detectives say Wolf parked a golf cart next to bushes
29:27
Speaker 1: near the parking lot. Cell Phone records then show his
29:31
Speaker 1: phone moving south, being placed in an area near Carrissa's
29:34
Speaker 1: apartment from nine to almost nine forty five that night.
29:38
Speaker 1: From there, phone records show him heading north after midnight,
29:41
Speaker 1: pinging off a tower near Kaiser, then back at his
29:44
Speaker 1: work in Mcminville Cascade Deal Surveillance video then shows him
29:48
Speaker 1: emerging from the same bushes he left through around two
29:51
Speaker 1: thirty on the fourteenth, with a backpack and a white treshbag.
29:55
Speaker 1: About twenty minutes later, he's seen walking out another door
29:58
Speaker 1: in a different shirt, again carrying that trash bag. More
30:02
Speaker 1: cell phone records later show both his and Curiss's phones
30:05
Speaker 1: using a tower near Wolf's work, and a text from
30:08
Speaker 1: her phone sent that afternoon using a tower near his home.
30:12
Speaker 1: Detectives say the circumstantial evidence places the two of them
30:16
Speaker 1: in the same areas the night she was last seen,
30:19
Speaker 1: despite Wolf telling detectives he hadn't seen her or bend
30:22
Speaker 1: Aileen over a year. Detectives also say that they believe
30:27
Speaker 1: the only known person who would benefit from the disappearance
30:30
Speaker 1: or criminal homicide of Clarissa and William is Michael Dave Mack.
30:34
Speaker 1: What can you tell me about any actual evidence against him? Well,
30:40
Speaker 1: what they have is they actually have been able to
30:43
Speaker 1: track through cell phone records and video. You know, we
30:46
Speaker 1: have surveillance cameras everywhere. It seems they've been able to
30:49
Speaker 1: track his movements. Now, he was on the radar immediately
30:53
Speaker 1: based on great detective work with interviews and neighbors and
30:57
Speaker 1: things like that, so they were able to track his
30:59
Speaker 1: whereabouts by his cell phone pinging off different towers. On
31:02
Speaker 1: top of everything else they've been able to tie and
31:06
Speaker 1: again it goes back to the investigator where not necessarily
31:09
Speaker 1: DNA evidence, they've been able to trace his whereabouts during
31:12
Speaker 1: the different times involved where they suspect that she was
31:15
Speaker 1: taken and how she was found. Where she was actually found,
31:20
Speaker 1: as you mentioned, very remote area, so they've been able
31:22
Speaker 1: to physically tie him to that area and to her body.
31:26
Speaker 1: On top of everything else, they did recover a gun
31:29
Speaker 1: in one of those search warrants, although it has yet
31:31
Speaker 1: to be tied directly to the gun that shot Karissa.
31:35
Speaker 1: You know, just Goot Morgan forensics expert, weight in on
31:39
Speaker 1: the evidence that we've got. What do we know about
31:42
Speaker 1: the evidence and how, if at all, does it tie
31:45
Speaker 1: Michael Wolfe to the murders. Well, relative to as Dave
31:49
Speaker 1: was talking about, relative to the weapon. We do know
31:52
Speaker 1: that they've talked about that she died as a result
31:55
Speaker 1: of a gunshot wound. If in fact they can tie
32:00
Speaker 1: that weapon to him, as well as the projectile that
32:04
Speaker 1: ended her life, then they put that in his hands
32:08
Speaker 1: at that point in time, if he's the owner of
32:10
Speaker 1: the weapon, this sort of thing, the ballistic evidence can
32:12
Speaker 1: tie it back, not to mention, you know, the familiarity
32:15
Speaker 1: with the area that he had specific to this location
32:18
Speaker 1: where the bodies were found, and most importantly Nancy, his
32:22
Speaker 1: access to this woman and Billy you know, just got Morgan.
32:27
Speaker 1: When you have a known bullet, for instance, the one
32:30
Speaker 1: taken out of Christoph Fretwell, then you find a gun,
32:35
Speaker 1: for instance, the gun found pursuant to search warrant in
32:39
Speaker 1: his belongings Michael Wolf the Lover. You take a bullet
32:44
Speaker 1: of the same caliber and you shoot it from the
32:48
Speaker 1: known gun. Then you put it under a microscope and
32:51
Speaker 1: you compare it to the bullet taken out of the body.
32:57
Speaker 1: It's just like a fingerprint. Explain, Yeah, each of these
33:01
Speaker 1: rounds that's fired, as it passes down the barrel of
33:07
Speaker 1: the weapon itself, it leaves a unique ballistic fingerprint through
33:13
Speaker 1: the lands and grooves, the rifling on the bullet itself,
33:17
Speaker 1: the rifling marks on the bullet itself. And what you
33:20
Speaker 1: do is you take the tested bullet that's been fired
33:23
Speaker 1: many times into a water tank or into cotton swabs,
33:27
Speaker 1: and you take it out and then you compare it
33:29
Speaker 1: to what's left behind. Is doctor Gallagher mentioned Sometimes bullets
33:33
Speaker 1: can be deformed that are removed at autopsy. Sometimes you
33:36
Speaker 1: can find them that are relatively intact, but you'll compare
33:38
Speaker 1: it based upon the markets on the bullet and the
33:40
Speaker 1: weight of the bullet, and then you get a ballistic match.
33:44
Speaker 1: What we know right now is that the married lover,
33:47
Speaker 1: Michael Wolfe, has been in jail and Yamo County no bond.
33:53
Speaker 1: He was indicted by a grand jury on kidnapping and
33:57
Speaker 1: aggravated murder charges. Okay, when you say aggravated murder, Dave
34:04
Speaker 1: Mack in that jurisdiction of Oregon, is there a death penalty, Nancy,
34:10
Speaker 1: there is a death penalty on the table for the
34:13
Speaker 1: aggravated murder charge. Well, in most jurisdictions Dave that do
34:17
Speaker 1: have the death penalty, more than one body under the
34:20
Speaker 1: law is mass murder. So that is a special circumstance
34:26
Speaker 1: under which the state could seek the death penalty. This
34:29
Speaker 1: guy has not entered a plea yet. To Paula Natari,
34:32
Speaker 1: criminal defense attorney, what do you expect is going to
34:35
Speaker 1: happen when he is in court. And if he goes
34:38
Speaker 1: to trial, well, I think that his lawyers are probably
34:42
Speaker 1: trying to get him a plea deal because right now
34:46
Speaker 1: things are just not looking good for this guy. If
34:49
Speaker 1: he goes to court, I think he's going to be
34:52
Speaker 1: quickly convicted. There's moodus, there's opportunity. We've talked about. The
34:58
Speaker 1: cell site evidence shows that he was in the location.
35:01
Speaker 1: The fact that this the bodies were hidden in a
35:04
Speaker 1: place where he had access to, he was connected. There
35:07
Speaker 1: was just no The way in which mom and the
35:11
Speaker 1: son disappeared shows that it was unlikely a struggle, that
35:15
Speaker 1: she probably knew the person, and they probably took her
35:20
Speaker 1: away forcefully. But all of these things are just adding
35:23
Speaker 1: up in a very concrete way, and and and it's
35:26
Speaker 1: looking very damning. They have a babysitter who can can
35:29
Speaker 1: say that there was there was strife, there was arguments,
35:32
Speaker 1: it was a very heated custody or support and hearing
35:36
Speaker 1: that happened. He had just been forced to pay um,
35:39
Speaker 1: you know, child support, which he was unhappy about. So
35:42
Speaker 1: so everything is just really adding up in a nice
35:46
Speaker 1: little meat package for the prosecutor against him. I think
35:49
Speaker 1: if if they go for the death penalty. This might
35:52
Speaker 1: just be a plea. If his lawyers could negotiate a
35:56
Speaker 1: life plea, that that might be Um, that might be
35:59
Speaker 1: a probability. What were you just saying about the babysitter evidence, Well,
36:03
Speaker 1: the babysitter, Um, she's a crucial witness because she's saying that,
36:08
Speaker 1: you know, she was taking care of Um, of Carrissa,
36:13
Speaker 1: she was taking care of a little boy. And the
36:15
Speaker 1: babysitter said that she had several conversations with Carrissa that
36:19
Speaker 1: he has threatened to take William and get custody of him. Um.
36:23
Speaker 1: And so she's she's just the witness to the fact
36:27
Speaker 1: that there was strife in their relationship and he was
36:30
Speaker 1: angry and it was this heated child support hearing. So
36:34
Speaker 1: I think it goes along with motives. He may want
36:37
Speaker 1: a plea, but if they're seeking the death penalty, not
36:40
Speaker 1: for the just for the death of the mother, but
36:42
Speaker 1: for the three year old little boy, he'll never bla
36:46
Speaker 1: to the death penalty. So that very likely would go
36:50
Speaker 1: to trial. Yeah. So so in all of these cases
36:53
Speaker 1: we see nationally covered, these cases where there's death, they're
36:58
Speaker 1: they're seeking the death sentence. You know, people don't plead
37:01
Speaker 1: to death scent penalty. You know cases, So if they're
37:05
Speaker 1: seeking a death penalty, we're going to see a trial.
37:07
Speaker 1: But I just don't think that, you know, he's this
37:10
Speaker 1: guy has a chance at trial right now. Michael Wolfe
37:14
Speaker 1: sitting behind bars. If you have information, please dial five
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