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Israel–Hamas “Peace” Deal? The Real Battle for Morality | Yaron Brook Show · Yaron Brook Show

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  Speaker 1: All right, I thought today we'd talk about we talk
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  Speaker 1: about the Israel Hamas deal or proposed deal or maybe
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  Speaker 1: deal or Trump Deal or whatever you want to call it,
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  Speaker 1: and break it down a little bit, see what the
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  Speaker 1: issues are. Where are we today with with it happening
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  Speaker 1: or not happening?
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  Speaker 2: You know, what, what does it look like? Are the
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  Speaker 2: hostages coming home? This week or not. I don't know,
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  Speaker 2: but you know, I'll give you my assessment and.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, and what are the prospects kind of long term?
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  Speaker 1: How does this play out? What do I think actually happens?
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  Speaker 1: So so that's going to be what we talk about.
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  Speaker 1: Of course, I can cover any topic you want. Super
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  Speaker 1: great if we got a bunch of questions that you
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  Speaker 1: really have about what's going on in Gaza, in Israel
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  Speaker 1: and so on. So any lingering questions you have after
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  Speaker 1: my little spiel, after hearing many of my spiels and
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  Speaker 1: Thank you, thank you, thank you for this for the support.
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  Speaker 1: He says that close enough. Thank you well again, happy birthday,
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  Speaker 1: So, as we know last week, at the beginning of
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  Speaker 1: the week, Donald Trump proposed a twenty was a twenty
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  Speaker 1: point deal that uh, he got Naniao who came to Washington,
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  Speaker 1: and he got wash Nathaniel to agree. Even though Natanieo
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  Speaker 1: was not particularly excited about the deal. There were a
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  Speaker 1: number of issues regarding the proposal that you know, Natania
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  Speaker 1: was pretty unhappy about it, in particularly proposals around the
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  Speaker 1: Palestinian authority gaining some kind of responsibility in the future
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  Speaker 1: over Gaza and then of course the possibility of a
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  Speaker 1: future Palestinian state, which was mentioned in the deal. Uh
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  Speaker 1: So Natana was not happy about it. But but Trump
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  Speaker 1: basically twisted his hand and and uh and and and
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  Speaker 1: got him to.
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  Speaker 2: Agree to the deal. And part of part of.
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  Speaker 1: It was that that Trump had gone to a bunch
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  Speaker 1: of Muslim countries and a bunch of Arab countries and
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  Speaker 1: gotten their support for the deal, or at least that
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  Speaker 1: is the assumption. They are signed the letter basically expressing.
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  Speaker 2: Uh their support for the Trump for the proposal.
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  Speaker 1: Now we'll see they're already backing off of that support,
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  Speaker 1: but many of them, you know, supported it. And the
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  Speaker 1: idea was, how can Nataniel say no in the whole
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  Speaker 1: ever world is basically backing this, And you know, the
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  Speaker 1: most attractive feature of the deal to nitenniau into the
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  Speaker 1: usual leads generally, was the fact that the idea is
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  Speaker 1: that the deal would be once the deal was agreed
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  Speaker 1: to or once Hamas agreed, there would be an immediate
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  Speaker 1: cease fire, so all shooting would stop, and then within
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  Speaker 1: seventy two hours seventy two hours, if I remember my
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  Speaker 1: math right, that is three days, within seventy two hours,
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  Speaker 1: the Hamas would release all the hostages living and dead.
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  Speaker 1: Supposedly they hold about forty eight twenty alive and maybe
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  Speaker 1: twenty eight bodies, and they all of those would be
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  Speaker 1: released within forty eight hours. And then only after that,
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  Speaker 1: right after this is fire, Israel would retreat, start withdrawing
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  Speaker 1: from Gaza, and then there'd be all kinds of other
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  Speaker 1: stuff would happen.
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  Speaker 2: We'll talk about.
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  Speaker 1: That, but Fasewel, the main attraction of this neil was
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  Speaker 1: the first thing that happens, The first thing in a
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  Speaker 1: chain of events that happens, is release of hostages.
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  Speaker 2: Now, of course, what.
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  Speaker 1: Nobody mentions is that together with the forty eight hostages
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  Speaker 1: that Hamas holds, Israel would release about five hundred prisoners,
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  Speaker 1: many of whom many many of whom at least two
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  Speaker 1: hundred and fifty of whom are serving life sentences, in
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  Speaker 1: life sentences for terrorist attacks on murder people.
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  Speaker 2: With blood on their hands.
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  Speaker 1: And then on top of that another seventeen hundred people
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  Speaker 1: that Israel has detained in Gaza since the war began.
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  Speaker 1: Some of them might be people who actually participated in
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  Speaker 1: the October seventh massacre.
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  Speaker 2: So that is step one.
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  Speaker 1: So phase one, everybody agrees seventy two hour ceasefire, seventy
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  Speaker 1: two hours release of fostages, all right. Second, at that point,
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  Speaker 1: Israeli troops would start withdrawing. There is a map with
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  Speaker 1: lines on where they would withdrawn and how.
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  Speaker 2: But this would take happen over time.
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  Speaker 1: During this period of time, Hamas would supposedly disarm. An
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  Speaker 1: international security force made up of some of the Arab
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  Speaker 1: states that signed this letter would move in to take
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  Speaker 1: over security responsibilities. Israel would ultimately withdraw completely from the
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  Speaker 1: Gaza strip. That would only happen again after both of
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  Speaker 1: these conditions were met. Security force was there to replace them,
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  Speaker 1: and Hamas would be disarmed. And while is what would
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  Speaker 1: maintain a security perimeter presence and a security perimeter, it
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  Speaker 1: would have no.
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  Speaker 2: Troops within Gaza.
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  Speaker 1: It would evacuate the various corridors that we've talked about,
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  Speaker 1: that that we've talked about.
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  Speaker 2: Over and over during the war.
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  Speaker 1: It would basically be a complete withdrawal from Gaza, all right.
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  Speaker 2: Then, what would happen.
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  Speaker 1: Supposedly, at that point, there would be an administration placed
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  Speaker 1: on Gaza. The administration initially would be comprised of some
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  Speaker 1: kind of a board, international board, people internationally, and a
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  Speaker 1: government established, a kind of a government established in Gaza,
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  Speaker 1: which would be what they call a technocratic government, that is,
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  Speaker 1: wouldn't be political. It would be just a gazan's palace
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  Speaker 1: Indians who have knowledge and how to deal with I
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  Speaker 1: guess electricity and water and construction and things like that,
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  Speaker 1: so they would govern.
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  Speaker 2: They would govern the process right.
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  Speaker 1: Ramas would have no part in administrating a Gaza, and
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  Speaker 1: all of its military infrastructure would including the tunnels, would
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  Speaker 1: all be dismantled, destroyed. Those members who are willing to pledge,
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  Speaker 1: pledge to live peacefully would be granted amnesty, and those
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  Speaker 1: who wanted to leave Gaza would be allowed to do so.
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  Speaker 1: And I guess maybe there's some kind of guarantee that is,
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  Speaker 1: or wouldn't hunt them down. This international security force would
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  Speaker 1: ensure Ramas's disarmament, keep the order, and it would start
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  Speaker 1: training Palestinian Palestinian a Palestinian police force take over law
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  Speaker 1: enforcement responsibilities. Egypt supposedly is already training thousands of Palestinians,
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  Speaker 1: Palestinian police to be deployed into Gaza. I'm not sure
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  Speaker 1: where these thousands came from, which bank, How did they
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  Speaker 1: get to Egypt.
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  Speaker 2: You can't cross the border with Gaza. I donnom During
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  Speaker 2: this period, of course, humanitarian aid would flow in.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, God forbid, we stopped providing them with humanitarian aid, and.
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  Speaker 2: Huge amounts, large amounts.
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  Speaker 1: This humanitarian aid would be run by neutral international bodies,
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  Speaker 1: including the neutral, the newly neutral. This will have to
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  Speaker 1: be a new organization, the newly neutral United Nations and
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  Speaker 1: the Red Crescent. Unclear whether they gauz of humanitarian fund,
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  Speaker 1: this fund that was created, the distributed aid, the aid
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  Speaker 1: in Gaza that was created by Israel in the US,
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  Speaker 1: whether they would continue to operate or not. The plan
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  Speaker 1: is very specific about Palestinians not being expelled from Gaza.
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  Speaker 1: They would be at all to leave, but only in
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  Speaker 1: the condition that they could come back. And uh, there
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  Speaker 1: would be a a international effort to rebuild, rebuild.
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  Speaker 2: The Gaza strip.
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  Speaker 1: For the Palestinians, not for Trump, not for vacationing Europeans,
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  Speaker 1: but for the Palestinians. So yeah, Uh, this intro administration
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  Speaker 1: of Palestinian technocrats would run day to day affairs.
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  Speaker 2: They'd be overseed by this what they.
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  Speaker 1: Called Board of Peace, which would be headed by Donald Trump.
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  Speaker 1: The board would also supervise funding of reconstruction and I
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  Speaker 1: guess the planning of yourconstruction. And in all of that,
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  Speaker 1: during this interim administration, the Palestinian authority would undergo reforms.
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  Speaker 2: That is the idea the reforms that would be.
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  Speaker 1: They would guarantee its deradicalization. Supposedly this includes change to
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  Speaker 1: the education that it teaches its kids not to hate Jews,
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  Speaker 1: for example, anymore.
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  Speaker 2: And I guess reforms towards more of a.
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  Speaker 1: Liberal democracy, right right western liberal democracy kind of attitudes
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  Speaker 1: in terms of in terms of the Pastidian authority, so
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  Speaker 1: that they can ultimately take over governing gaza.
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  Speaker 2: I guess we're not going to have elections.
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  Speaker 1: This some nod to the potential of the Palestinian statehoods.
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  Speaker 1: It says that the past authority, if the pallistianthority reforms
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  Speaker 1: are sufficient and gods would redeployment at you know, is
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  Speaker 1: is going well, uh, then this could be a credible
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  Speaker 1: pathway to Palestinian self determination of statehood. Anyway, as we've said, Uh,
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  Speaker 1: so this plant was shared with Hamas and and uh.
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  Speaker 1: At some point, Trump tweeted something like like he's done
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  Speaker 1: many many times.
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  Speaker 2: You know, I need an answer by Sunday.
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  Speaker 1: And if they if I don't get if they don't
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  Speaker 1: say yes, all hell will rain upon them. You know,
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  Speaker 1: some exaggerated, bombastic, stupid, meaningless threat uh that he placed
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  Speaker 1: on Hamas.
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  Speaker 2: Uh. But again, all rain.
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  Speaker 1: With hell on them, it would would would launch on him.
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  Speaker 1: It would be some some kind of disaster. They you know,
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  Speaker 1: we were just the United States would help as well,
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  Speaker 1: just crush them. Who knows what all help would rain
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  Speaker 1: on them actually means. He says, it's so often with
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  Speaker 1: the god to gods that that it's lost all meaning.
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  Speaker 2: Well.
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  Speaker 1: Habouts came back on Friday afternoon and basically said, we
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  Speaker 1: agree to release the hostages. So we agree with some
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  Speaker 1: of this, but there's a bunch of things here we
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  Speaker 1: need to negotiate, Like.
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  Speaker 2: We're not close on these things.
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  Speaker 1: Disarmament, we don't like that international force. We're not supporting
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  Speaker 1: an international force coming in here, and all of the
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  Speaker 1: you know, the important stuff.
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  Speaker 2: And they said, you know, we need to negotiate all
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  Speaker 2: that stuff, and it is all assumed.
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  Speaker 1: Antonielle assumed that that men know that they had just
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  Speaker 1: turned down the deal because the deal was like I
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  Speaker 1: take it to leave it.
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  Speaker 2: It wasn't a negotiated kind of deal.
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  Speaker 1: And Trump read it as yes, they've agreed, My Nobel
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  Speaker 1: price is on the way.
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  Speaker 2: So Trump was all enthusiastic.
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  Speaker 1: He called Ntenia up, and Ntenia was like, look, I
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  Speaker 1: mean there's no deal here. Really, they haven't said yes
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  Speaker 1: and and and they're suggesting all these nose and they
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  Speaker 1: want to negotiate. That's not gonna go well and no
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  Speaker 1: and and supposedly supposedly. Trump was furious. It's like, you're
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  Speaker 1: always negative. It's always no with you. You know, take the win.
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  Speaker 1: This is a win.
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  Speaker 2: Take it.
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  Speaker 1: So Natonio said, okay, fine, I mean basically Natano folds
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  Speaker 1: constantly before before Donald Trump.
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  Speaker 2: So, uh yeah, so is all I said, Yes, they
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  Speaker 2: are meeting.
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  Speaker 1: Uh, negotiations start tomorrow in h I'm reading conflicting stories.
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  Speaker 1: I'm saying Cairo. Some say in in Charlotte. Micheer originally
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  Speaker 1: was supposed to be in in got to forget the
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  Speaker 1: name of the place anyway, I think it's in Charlot.
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  Speaker 2: I think it's in Charlemcher so they can go scuba
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  Speaker 2: diving in between meetings.
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  Speaker 1: But a beautiful place, charlemchere, gorgeous, best scuba diving, among
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  Speaker 1: the best scuba.
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  Speaker 2: Diving in the world. Amazing place, just beautiful. You know.
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  Speaker 1: Hopefully they have some time for sight seeing, but will
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  Speaker 1: there will be negotiating.
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  Speaker 2: They will be meeting and negotiating tomorrow.
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  Speaker 1: Not clearly exactly what they're negotiating about, but for example,
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  Speaker 1: one of the things I negotiate is Hamas has a
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  Speaker 1: list of people they want released, and of course at
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  Speaker 1: the top of the list of the people are the
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  Speaker 1: most murderous, barbaric, inhumane monsters the ramasas are produced and
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  Speaker 1: that are sitting in Israeli jails. They want them released.
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  Speaker 1: Israel has said they will now release these people.
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  Speaker 2: You know. Now.
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  Speaker 1: One of them is Hammad, who organized, who planned and
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  Speaker 1: organized dozens of attacked against Israelis, many of them suicide bombings,
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  Speaker 1: dozens and dozens and dozens modered because of him. Another
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  Speaker 1: one is Abdullah Barguti. We don't think it's even Hamas,
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  Speaker 1: but anyway, also responsible for dozens of tervist detects against Israel,
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  Speaker 1: in which over sixty six people were killed and over
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  Speaker 1: five hundred injured, and these people, uh, these people are
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  Speaker 1: going to be at the top of Hamas's list. Supposedly,
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  Speaker 1: Nitaao has promised his right wing members of his cabinet
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  Speaker 1: that he will not release these people again. We will
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  Speaker 1: see whether Natania can stick to that, whether will Trump
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  Speaker 1: will tell him, what are you gonna You're going to
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  Speaker 1: not get your hostages back because of two people.
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  Speaker 2: Of course you're gonna do that. What do you mean
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  Speaker 2: take the win.
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  Speaker 1: Anyway, So the first phase of this negotiation will probably
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  Speaker 1: be around the details of who Israel is going to release,
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  Speaker 1: and then the time frame for the release of the
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  Speaker 1: Israeli hostages. Hamas has already said they can't release everybody
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  Speaker 1: within seventy two hours. They will need more time for
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  Speaker 1: the bodies, they need to go dig them up and
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  Speaker 1: find them. But if they release the twenty live hostages
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  Speaker 1: within seventy two hours, that'll be pretty amazing. That'll be
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  Speaker 1: super exciting, and Israel will celebrate Israel. The Israelis will
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  Speaker 1: be very very happy to get those twelve hostages back
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  Speaker 1: who have been tortured and treated in just the most
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  Speaker 1: inhumane ways. It will be pretty amazing to get them back,
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  Speaker 1: but that is phase one of the negotiations. It's not
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  Speaker 1: clear if Hamas will agree to release the hostages before
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  Speaker 1: they have negotiated all the other issues that they might
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  Speaker 1: have or that they have, including disarmored ment and and
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  Speaker 1: again the different forces that are going to be there,
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  Speaker 1: the nature of the government, the nature of the future
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  Speaker 1: of the gods, the script. So it's hard to tell
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  Speaker 1: whether how quickly this is going to go. If in
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  Speaker 1: the case is that they're going to agree around hostages
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  Speaker 1: and the feeing of murderers from Israeli prisons and uh,
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  Speaker 1: and only and do that execute on that, and only
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  Speaker 1: then negotiate the rest of the deal, then maybe we'll
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  Speaker 1: see some amazing, amazing videos this week or where hostages
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  Speaker 1: are being released. Uh and and that'll be again super
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  Speaker 1: exciting and super super positive. But you know, I'm skeptical
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  Speaker 1: about whether that is actually the case and whether.
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  Speaker 2: That's actually going to happen. Excuse me who?
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  Speaker 1: All right, So, uh, that is, of course, I think
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  Speaker 1: in terms of negotiation, at least the easy part. Now
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  Speaker 1: I've already said and I've said in the past, and
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  Speaker 1: I've said it many, many many times over many many
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  Speaker 1: many decades, not just years decades.
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  Speaker 2: The very idea.
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: That Israelis are going to show my chess to negotiate
• 22:23
  Speaker 1: with Ramas is one that just shivers down your spine.
• 22:29
  Speaker 1: These are Ramas is an organization of murderers, of the
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: worst kind of murderers. These people are beyond They're not human,
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: They're monsters. Every one of them should be dead. Indeed,
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: Israel has tried to kill many of them over and
• 22:52
  Speaker 1: over again. They are despicable, They're horrific. Nobody should be
• 22:59
  Speaker 1: negotiating with them. Nobody should have ever negotiated with him
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: from the beginning of this conflict. But they have for
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: years and years and years, going back to the nineteen
• 23:11
  Speaker 1: eighties and nineties and going back to the beginning of
• 23:16
  Speaker 1: right after October seventh, they be.
• 23:18
  Speaker 2: Negotiations with Ramas.
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: Ramas has been recognized by Israel as a legitimate negotiating partner.
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: The United States has insisted on it and pushed Israel
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: to do it. Biden administration, Trump administration doesn't really matter.
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: Negotiating with evil is something Trump is very very very
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: much in favor of.
• 23:39
  Speaker 2: He does it all the time. Right his negotiations with.
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: North Korea, with putin with You know, monsters don't defend Trump.
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: I mean quite the opposite. So I mean he finds
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: them friendly. Of his best friends, the monsters. He's very
• 23:57
  Speaker 1: cordial with many many monsters around the world.
• 24:01
  Speaker 2: See, you don't, you don't negotiate with these people.
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: But so so, given that I'm just describing what's going
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: to happen, I'm not sanctioning it or supporting it because
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: I'm not. And and the fact that hostage is what
• 24:14
  Speaker 1: we released I will be happy about. I mean, these
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: are human beings, and and uh, the fact that they
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: will be free will be a reason to celebrate, a
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: reason to celebrate, and and and and and a worthy
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: a worthy thing.
• 24:28
  Speaker 2: So I hope it happens. All right.
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: At that point, it's hard to tell how these negotiations
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: move forward in my view. I mean, because Hamas doesn't
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: want it, doesn't want to disarm. They might agree to
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: give up some of the like offensive weapons like missiles
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: and things like that, with the idea that they'll build them.
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: They don't have many anyway, and they'll build them later on.
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: They will not want to get rid of their defensive weapons.
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: And it's not clearly anybody can actually get them to disarmor.
• 25:01
  Speaker 1: Ramas probably has so many places where weapons are being
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: hidden have been hidden, I'm not sure anybody can find
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: them in years. I mean, look, how look how much
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: of Gaza is held by Israel, and Israel has not
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: caught up with all the places in which Ramas is
• 25:19
  Speaker 1: hidden stuff. So it's not clear that the weapons that
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: Ramas has will ever be found. This idea that they're
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: gonna say, ooh, I'm sorry, I want to live in
• 25:30
  Speaker 1: peace now and all is forgiven for butchers of October.
• 25:36
  Speaker 2: Seventh, I don't I don't get that, and I don't
• 25:42
  Speaker 2: understand that.
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: You'll still have thousands of Ramas operators in the Gaza strip.
• 25:50
  Speaker 2: They might swear allegiance, they might promise.
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: To behave Why would anybody ever, in their wildest dreams
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: believe a word that they say. You now will have
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: an extra You know what, several hundred, three hundred and fifty.
• 26:10
  Speaker 2: Of the worst criminals.
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: Two hundred and fifty prisoners serving life, worst terrorists possible
• 26:17
  Speaker 1: there will now have been freed to the West Bank
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: and maybe the Gaza added to their ranks. You will
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: also get all the terrorists, of course in the West
• 26:26
  Speaker 1: Bank added to those ranks. There's zero reason to believe
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: Hamas is going to go away and disappear into the
• 26:34
  Speaker 1: nights and it's over. If you study the history of
• 26:40
  Speaker 1: all these terrorist organizations in the Middle East, they find
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: ways to survive and rise up again. It might take
• 26:47
  Speaker 1: a long time because they've really been cut down, but
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: it doesn't take much to commit a suicide bombing. It
• 26:55
  Speaker 1: doesn't make much to commit a terrorist attack, and the
• 26:59
  Speaker 1: idea that that that's going to go away suddenly.
• 27:02
  Speaker 2: Ain't happening.
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: And then, of course you've got the problem that it's
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: hard to tell right now the extent to which people
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: in Gaza, the people who live in Gaza, are radicalized,
• 27:18
  Speaker 1: and whether people in Gaza can have actually accepted the
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: existence of the State of Israel and accepted that they'll
• 27:26
  Speaker 1: be defeated, and accepted that they will never beat Israel
• 27:33
  Speaker 1: and will never destroy his well, I don't know how
• 27:35
  Speaker 1: many of them have.
• 27:39
  Speaker 2: Maybe they're suffering has taught them a lesson.
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: Maybe they're suffering has taught them to despise from us
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: and to just accept Israel and to try to seek
• 27:49
  Speaker 1: a better future.
• 27:49
  Speaker 2: Maybe maybe, but we know that's not true. In the
• 27:53
  Speaker 2: West Bank.
• 27:55
  Speaker 1: We know that the Palestine in the West Bank support
• 27:57
  Speaker 1: from US more than ever. That Ramas's popularity in the
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: West Bank, just like in Western Europe, is that at
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: an all time high, that if you probably had elections
• 28:09
  Speaker 1: in the West Bank, Ramas would win over the Palestinian authority,
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: which is supposed to be a little bit more moderate.
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: The very fact that all these terrorists are going to
• 28:20
  Speaker 1: be freed suggests that this is still a terrorist admiring,
• 28:25
  Speaker 1: a tororist respecting a terrorist, a terrorist society, a society
• 28:31
  Speaker 1: that relishes terrorists and terrorism. Why this changes anything about
• 28:40
  Speaker 1: the Palestinians. It does not and will not again, maybe
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: the Guzans because they've actually lived it, and the idea
• 28:53
  Speaker 1: the Trump thinks that he's changed the world. You already say,
• 28:58
  Speaker 1: he's been saying this over and over again in the
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: last few days. He solved the crisis that's been going
• 29:03
  Speaker 1: on for three thousand years, three thousand years, three thousand years.
• 29:08
  Speaker 2: Wow, I mean that's pretty amazing.
• 29:11
  Speaker 1: He's done nothing, he solved nothing, he's changed nothing. I mean,
• 29:17
  Speaker 1: maybe the ostages we released that'll be good. So my
• 29:26
  Speaker 1: expectation is that Hamas will drag these negotiations out. They'll
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: not agree, they'll push, they'll force the US to put
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: pressure on Israel to compromise.
• 29:41
  Speaker 2: The Arab States are ready backing off.
• 29:44
  Speaker 1: So remember of the states supposedly supported this agreement, but
• 29:48
  Speaker 1: for example, Egypt is already saying, well, you know, homost disarmament,
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: that's an internal Palestinian thing, that's not something you should
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: be imposed from the outside. And you know, you'll see
• 30:02
  Speaker 1: that the Arab States will all basically.
• 30:05
  Speaker 2: Side with Hamas.
• 30:06
  Speaker 1: Over time, they'll put more and more pressure on Trump
• 30:10
  Speaker 1: to compromise and to give in more, and to force
• 30:14
  Speaker 1: Israel to give in more and to compromise more. And Israel,
• 30:21
  Speaker 1: at some point we'll have to say no, that's enough,
• 30:23
  Speaker 1: and at some point this will all break apart. And
• 30:27
  Speaker 1: now I'm all for releasing the hostages and then for
• 30:30
  Speaker 1: it all to break apart, because then Israel can actually
• 30:34
  Speaker 1: go in and destroy Hamas without fear of what Ramas
• 30:39
  Speaker 1: might do to the hostages. But I just don't I
• 30:43
  Speaker 1: don't see ramas As being that stupid is to release
• 30:45
  Speaker 1: the hostages before you release hostages, before they get some real.
• 30:52
  Speaker 2: Concessions from Israel. So I just don't see where.
• 30:59
  Speaker 1: Where this goes other than dragging out a lot of
• 31:03
  Speaker 1: pressure in Israel, Trump pounding his chest. I hope that
• 31:12
  Speaker 1: hostage is are released, but I'm not even sure that
• 31:14
  Speaker 1: will happen. But certainly, once hostages are released, this will
• 31:17
  Speaker 1: fall apart and there'll be a disaster. Let's say you
• 31:20
  Speaker 1: get an international peacekeeping force in there, how long will
• 31:24
  Speaker 1: they survive? Like if you get these police that Egypt
• 31:29
  Speaker 1: says they've trained, these Palestinians, police that Egypt says they've trained.
• 31:32
  Speaker 2: Unlet's say they go in there, how many.
• 31:34
  Speaker 1: Of them I actually come as sympathizers and will flip
• 31:37
  Speaker 1: and work for Hamas. I mean, the whole thing is
• 31:41
  Speaker 1: just ludicrous, And you know it's gonna blow up in
• 31:47
  Speaker 1: Israel's face. I mean, it might not blow up in
• 31:49
  Speaker 1: Israel's face this year, it might be next year, it
• 31:52
  Speaker 1: might be five years down the road. But nothing ultimately
• 31:56
  Speaker 1: long term good will come of this again other than
• 31:59
  Speaker 1: the release of the hostages. So we'll be watching it
• 32:03
  Speaker 1: very carefully, very closely this coming week to see exactly
• 32:06
  Speaker 1: what happens.
• 32:09
  Speaker 2: But here's the thing, here's the principle.
• 32:16
  Speaker 1: The principle is one does not negotiate with you, One
• 32:21
  Speaker 1: does not ever under these circumstances unless you are losing
• 32:27
  Speaker 1: and you have no choice. One never negotiates with evil,
• 32:31
  Speaker 1: certainly enough on a position of strength. I've said this
• 32:37
  Speaker 1: in the past, I'll say it again. I'll keep saying
• 32:39
  Speaker 1: it is or should have assumed. The hostages were dead
• 32:42
  Speaker 1: crushed from us in the first three months after October
• 32:45
  Speaker 1: seventh destroyed.
• 32:47
  Speaker 2: Gaza got it up.
• 32:50
  Speaker 1: With really, really, really fast.
• 32:56
  Speaker 2: We're two years in.
• 32:58
  Speaker 1: And we're negotiating and come out stronger for the negotiations.
• 33:04
  Speaker 1: And the Palestinian you know, maybe they won't call themselves
• 33:06
  Speaker 1: Haramas anymore. They'll change their name, they'll change their faces.
• 33:11
  Speaker 1: But terrorism is not going away from this part of
• 33:13
  Speaker 1: the world. The Palestinians are not going to suddenly change
• 33:16
  Speaker 1: their spots and become completely different people. Their culture is
• 33:19
  Speaker 1: not going to reverse on a dime. It will take
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: a generation at least to change it. But you know,
• 33:32
  Speaker 1: Trump is the kind of delusional you know, mops, the
• 33:38
  Speaker 1: type that has no problem negotiating with evil, has no
• 33:42
  Speaker 1: problem cutting deals with evil, has no Somebody said, oh,
• 33:46
  Speaker 1: but look he did this, and this is their strategy.
• 33:49
  Speaker 1: The more I read about this, the more obviously is
• 33:51
  Speaker 1: that there's no strategy. There's just shooting for the hip,
• 33:54
  Speaker 1: as there always is with Trump. They will continue to
• 33:56
  Speaker 1: be shooting from the hip, and it would continue continue
• 34:06
  Speaker 1: to you know, continue to squeeze asrall and try to
• 34:13
  Speaker 1: get it to compromise, to sell out on its principles,
• 34:17
  Speaker 1: which means on its life. Again, one does not negotiate
• 34:24
  Speaker 1: with ramas one does not negotiate with evil. But Trump
• 34:30
  Speaker 1: and most of my compoliticians have never never gotten that principle,
• 34:34
  Speaker 1: never understood that principle. Uh, and we'll clearly continue.
• 34:40
  Speaker 2: All right, we'll call that the show for today.
• 34:45
  Speaker 1: Again, this is a topic we'll keep monitoring and keep
• 34:47
  Speaker 1: keeping track of.
• 34:51
  Speaker 2: And seeing what actually happens.
• 34:53
  Speaker 1: Again, my voice, after about forty minutes, my voice starts fading.
• 34:57
  Speaker 2: So my voice is definitely fading. We'll see how long.
• 35:02
  Speaker 1: Well, I mean, I'm going to answer all the questions
• 35:04
  Speaker 1: and quite a few questions today. A lot of money,
• 35:06
  Speaker 1: which is really nice to see, and and a lot
• 35:10
  Speaker 1: of questions. So we'll take those. Feel fee to ask
• 35:12
  Speaker 1: more questions, that's fine, particularly if the dollar is associated
• 35:15
  Speaker 1: with it. But yeah, let's let's shift to that. And again,
• 35:20
  Speaker 1: this is not the last time you'll hear me talk
• 35:22
  Speaker 1: about this topic. We'll be covering it in detail as
• 35:25
  Speaker 1: the week progresses, as the negotiations progress, as we learn
• 35:29
  Speaker 1: more about what is actually actually going on. I have
• 35:33
  Speaker 1: fee fee to ask questions about any topic. It doesn't
• 35:36
  Speaker 1: have to be this.
• 35:37
  Speaker 2: I do want to mention this.
• 35:39
  Speaker 1: I mean, there are a number of demonstrations today pro
• 35:42
  Speaker 1: Israel in Europe.
• 35:43
  Speaker 2: I think there's one in London for Falgus Squaya, There's one.
• 35:46
  Speaker 1: In Paris, there's us a massive programs demonstration in Amsterdam.
• 35:53
  Speaker 1: What motivates people to go out and demonstrate in favor
• 35:59
  Speaker 1: of monsters? I mean some have said that thirty percent
• 36:04
  Speaker 1: of Amsterdam's population is at this demonstration, like it's mass,
• 36:09
  Speaker 1: hundreds of thousands. This is not Muslims, this is not
• 36:13
  Speaker 1: all anti Semites, although some of them are.
• 36:18
  Speaker 2: What motivates them is so what.
• 36:21
  Speaker 1: Motivates the massive demonstrations and just the overwhelming support that
• 36:27
  Speaker 1: Tramas has all over the West, Well, what motivates it?
• 36:32
  Speaker 1: And this will be my final point for today. What
• 36:34
  Speaker 1: motivates it is altruism. What motivates it is the suffering
• 36:41
  Speaker 1: of the Palestinian people in Gaza. What motivates it is
• 36:47
  Speaker 1: all strength and therefore by definition, its status is the
• 36:53
  Speaker 1: bad guy. When you see the crazy people weaving Tramas
• 37:01
  Speaker 1: flags and demonstrating for Hamas and supporting Kramas and and
• 37:08
  Speaker 1: hating Israel, you should think about this is altruism. This
• 37:17
  Speaker 1: is the power of altruism. It makes facts reality irrelevant.
• 37:27
  Speaker 1: All the matters is that you sympathize with the supposed
• 37:32
  Speaker 1: suffer and therefore victim.
• 37:36
  Speaker 2: That you hate the strong, the able.
• 37:44
  Speaker 1: It's what makes people sympathize with communism. From each according
• 37:49
  Speaker 1: to his ability, to each according to his need. You
• 37:51
  Speaker 1: need is what we must satisfy. You need is what
• 37:55
  Speaker 1: is attractive. Ability is a vice, Ability is a detriment.
• 38:01
  Speaker 1: Ability is something you must be penalized for. Need suffering,
• 38:10
  Speaker 1: that is, that is to be put up on a pedestal,
• 38:14
  Speaker 1: that is to be admired, that is to be respected.
• 38:18
  Speaker 2: And where does that come from? Where does that kind.
• 38:20
  Speaker 1: Of altruism, That worship of need, worship of suffering, worship
• 38:29
  Speaker 1: of those who suffer and those are in pain. That
• 38:36
  Speaker 1: that is Christianity, That is directly from Christianity. So I
• 38:42
  Speaker 1: don't think when you see, I don't know two hundred
• 38:46
  Speaker 1: and fifty thousand people in Amsterdam, demonstrating. I don't think
• 38:48
  Speaker 1: two hundred fifty thousand people, you know, people in the
• 38:52
  Speaker 1: Netherlands or hate civilization and hate you know, hate Jews,
• 38:58
  Speaker 1: but fifty thousand are easily altruistic, and to the extent
• 39:07
  Speaker 1: that they're Christian, secular, or religious, that altruism is strong.
• 39:13
  Speaker 1: Altruism is strong. The meek shall inherit the earth. The
• 39:17
  Speaker 1: meek are to be admired. The meek are to be
• 39:21
  Speaker 1: sacrificed too. And if you're strong and you're not sacrificing
• 39:28
  Speaker 1: to the meek, if you're actually attacking the meek for whatever.
• 39:33
  Speaker 2: Reason, doesn't matter why, even if it's just.
• 39:38
  Speaker 1: Then you are the bad guy. You're the bad guy.
• 39:41
  Speaker 1: The meek always the good guys. This is Christian intersectionality
• 39:47
  Speaker 1: in unspades, and there's really Palestinian issue is just a
• 39:53
  Speaker 1: massive demonstration to the power of altruism.
• 39:56
  Speaker 2: Massive.
• 40:00
  Speaker 1: All right, let's go to your questions. Not you have
• 40:03
  Speaker 1: a jolgorithm today has come out with four hundred or
• 40:08
  Speaker 1: more than that, but at least the top line is
• 40:12
  Speaker 1: four hundred dollars worth of questions, four hundred and twenty
• 40:15
  Speaker 1: at least dollars worth of questions, So thank you. Thank you,
• 40:17
  Speaker 1: Thank you, Not you have a Jogorithm, really really really
• 40:20
  Speaker 1: appreciate your supports today and of course every day because
• 40:25
  Speaker 1: you hear a lot supporting near on bookshow.
• 40:28
  Speaker 2: So thank you.
• 40:31
  Speaker 1: All right, let's start with that two hundred dollar question
• 40:34
  Speaker 1: from not you have a Jogorithm. People really change all
• 40:39
  Speaker 1: at once. They shift in stages. We need to present
• 40:43
  Speaker 1: the kind of ideas that make it safe in their
• 40:46
  Speaker 1: minds to rethink things. People don't renounce bad ideas when
• 40:51
  Speaker 1: they feel cornered. They leave when someone opens the door
• 40:55
  Speaker 1: and doesn't shame them.
• 40:56
  Speaker 2: From walking through it. I mean, is that really true?
• 41:04
  Speaker 1: So I assume everybody listening to the show right now
• 41:09
  Speaker 1: went through change at some point in their lives. They
• 41:14
  Speaker 1: rejected the conventional morality, conventional philosophy, conventional ideas, and embraced
• 41:22
  Speaker 1: and rand, embraced rational self interest, embraced capitalism, embrased some
• 41:27
  Speaker 1: ideas that were not accepted.
• 41:30
  Speaker 2: Did that change happen slowly?
• 41:34
  Speaker 1: Did that change happened because you felt welcomed and the
• 41:39
  Speaker 1: door was left open for you? Oh?
• 41:43
  Speaker 2: Was that change pretty violence? Did that change happened because.
• 41:50
  Speaker 1: You had the cognitive dissonance and suddenly the realization that
• 41:56
  Speaker 1: what you believed was wrong.
• 42:03
  Speaker 2: I don't know if there's one way to change people.
• 42:09
  Speaker 1: I know plenty of people who are being changed by
• 42:14
  Speaker 1: being shaken, by being challenged, not with softness, not with progressive.
• 42:25
  Speaker 2: Ideas, but with radicalism.
• 42:28
  Speaker 1: And indeed, I don't know how you can present ideas
• 42:33
  Speaker 1: in a way that make them safe for people. These
• 42:36
  Speaker 1: ideas are not safe. These ideas require independent thinking. They
• 42:41
  Speaker 1: require you to let go of all the crutches that
• 42:44
  Speaker 1: you have established with your parents, with your teachers, with
• 42:48
  Speaker 1: your authorities, with everything else. So I you know, they
• 42:57
  Speaker 1: got to rethink it, But I don't know what it
• 43:01
  Speaker 1: means to be safe in their minds to rethink things
• 43:04
  Speaker 1: I suddenly didn't feel. I knew I was taking no
• 43:07
  Speaker 1: one's risk when I was rethinking everything. And I agree
• 43:13
  Speaker 1: that you don't want to corner people. There's no reason
• 43:16
  Speaker 1: to corner people, there's no reason to be hostile to people.
• 43:20
  Speaker 1: But you want to challenge people. You want to create
• 43:25
  Speaker 1: the cognitive dissonance that requires change. When we go all soft,
• 43:33
  Speaker 1: you create spaces for people to resist the change.
• 43:39
  Speaker 2: Well, maybe what I hold is not that bad.
• 43:42
  Speaker 1: Maybe maybe we can compromise a little bit maybe I
• 43:44
  Speaker 1: can have I can be altruism, any goods. It's the
• 43:47
  Speaker 1: same time a little bit of socialism, neverhood anybody. So
• 43:55
  Speaker 1: I don't know that we know that much about how
• 43:57
  Speaker 1: people change and when people change. I do know that
• 44:02
  Speaker 1: you're not going to have much success if you compromise,
• 44:08
  Speaker 1: if you whitewash, if you soften your piece so much
• 44:14
  Speaker 1: that it becomes that it becomes indistinguishable from so much
• 44:18
  Speaker 1: else out there in the world. But generally, you want
• 44:21
  Speaker 1: to make it possible for people to change their minds.
• 44:24
  Speaker 1: You want to be welcoming bet, you want to be
• 44:27
  Speaker 1: clear about what it means. You want to be clear
• 44:29
  Speaker 1: about what your ideas stand for. Thanks, don't you have
• 44:34
  Speaker 1: any algorithm? Okay, here's a two part question, one hundred
• 44:36
  Speaker 1: dollars each, Paul One. People do leave cultish movements like
• 44:41
  Speaker 1: Magham not because they humiliated, but because they're offered a
• 44:45
  Speaker 1: path back. Okay, So this is kind of because to
• 44:49
  Speaker 1: that other question, because they're offered.
• 44:53
  Speaker 2: A path back.
• 44:54
  Speaker 1: What happens someone to leave them a movement is not
• 44:58
  Speaker 1: publicly shaming, but exit ramps psychological doorways.
• 45:03
  Speaker 2: To let people walk away from with their dignity.
• 45:06
  Speaker 1: Intact, we know this works because we've heard from Trump supporters.
• 45:12
  Speaker 1: I thought he was protecting people like me. Now I
• 45:14
  Speaker 1: see he was only protecting himself. That came from someone
• 45:17
  Speaker 1: who saw himself as patriotic, not hateful, realizing they'd been manipulated.
• 45:26
  Speaker 2: I mean, I don't know.
• 45:33
  Speaker 1: Suddenly there's a whole literature about how to get people
• 45:36
  Speaker 1: out of cults and what it takes to get people out.
• 45:38
  Speaker 2: Of a cult.
• 45:40
  Speaker 1: A lot of it has to do with white people
• 45:41
  Speaker 1: going to cults to begin with, and to get them out,
• 45:44
  Speaker 1: which you have to understand why they went in. How
• 45:48
  Speaker 1: do you get people out of maga is that they're
• 45:51
  Speaker 1: going to have to figure out the evil that's being
• 45:56
  Speaker 1: done in their name. They're going to have to be
• 46:05
  Speaker 1: in a position where they look at some stuff that's
• 46:08
  Speaker 1: happening in the news and say, you know, I didn't
• 46:12
  Speaker 1: really vote for this. This is crazy. This isn't the
• 46:17
  Speaker 1: America I want to live in.
• 46:21
  Speaker 2: Now.
• 46:21
  Speaker 1: I don't know how that manifests itself. I don't know
• 46:24
  Speaker 1: how that you know, plays out. I don't know what
• 46:27
  Speaker 1: it means that they have an exit ramp and how
• 46:30
  Speaker 1: all of that. What I know is they need to
• 46:36
  Speaker 1: be able to face the reality of what's happening, to
• 46:41
  Speaker 1: understand that it's happening in their name, and to be
• 46:44
  Speaker 1: able to say this isn't what I want. And I
• 46:53
  Speaker 1: don't know how you present that to them nicely, that
• 46:57
  Speaker 1: they have unleashed, you know, the forces of chaos and
• 47:02
  Speaker 1: mayhem and authoritarianism into the streets of America. I don't
• 47:08
  Speaker 1: know how you break that to them nicely. And I
• 47:10
  Speaker 1: don't know if you break it to them nicely, if
• 47:12
  Speaker 1: it has an impact on them, So yes, people will
• 47:17
  Speaker 1: walk away.
• 47:19
  Speaker 2: Not enough.
• 47:20
  Speaker 1: It turns out MAGA is still overwhelmingly supportive of Trump. Generally,
• 47:25
  Speaker 1: Republicans overwhelmingly supportive of Trump. I don't see any significant
• 47:32
  Speaker 1: change that's happened, which means that whatever reality is out
• 47:37
  Speaker 1: there is not registered on these people. Or this is
• 47:41
  Speaker 1: what they wanted, this is what they've always wanted. They
• 47:50
  Speaker 1: love Trump, they like what he's doing. They like the mayhem.
• 47:54
  Speaker 1: They like ice running people down, brown skinned people down
• 47:58
  Speaker 1: and shoving them into They think that's amazing. They want
• 48:07
  Speaker 1: to see troops in the streets of democratic cities. They
• 48:10
  Speaker 1: want to shut the Democratic Party down and to shut
• 48:14
  Speaker 1: all those leftists down, and if it takes force to
• 48:18
  Speaker 1: do it, government force to do it, so be it.
• 48:23
  Speaker 1: I mean, Trump is asked none of his popularity among
• 48:27
  Speaker 1: his base as he's been doing what he's been doing.
• 48:33
  Speaker 1: So yeah, I don't know what it takes to get
• 48:37
  Speaker 1: somebody to abandon the MAGA movement. If the scenes on
• 48:42
  Speaker 1: television don't get it, I'm not your wit is going
• 48:45
  Speaker 1: to get them.
• 48:48
  Speaker 2: James Trump doesn't promise solutions. He promises enemies.
• 48:54
  Speaker 1: He doesn't say vote for me to improve your life,
• 48:56
  Speaker 1: but vote to punish the people who made you feel powerless.
• 48:59
  Speaker 2: Well, that's that's a solution.
• 49:01
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 49:02
  Speaker 2: He promises justice, right, he promises help Boomstone.
• 49:08
  Speaker 1: And for people who feel humiliated and left behind, that
• 49:12
  Speaker 1: kind of rage feels like power, I guess. So, I
• 49:19
  Speaker 1: don't know why they feel behind what they feel behind
• 49:22
  Speaker 1: of Some of them are quite successful. It's not clear
• 49:27
  Speaker 1: that they have been left behind at all. But yes,
• 49:32
  Speaker 1: what he promises is to rage for them.
• 49:36
  Speaker 2: What he promises is.
• 49:41
  Speaker 1: The justice that so many Americans think that needs to
• 49:44
  Speaker 1: be inflicted on the left and on immigrants and on
• 49:50
  Speaker 1: I don't know corporations. And he's vindictive in a way
• 49:59
  Speaker 1: that they had.
• 50:02
  Speaker 2: And he's action oriented.
• 50:05
  Speaker 1: He doesn't quote overthink things. He doesn't intellectualize things.
• 50:10
  Speaker 2: He emotes. He responds like like they do. C Yes,
• 50:16
  Speaker 2: people love this.
• 50:17
  Speaker 1: People love his manifestation of manly power in.
• 50:24
  Speaker 2: Sending the troops into into the streets of America. That's
• 50:28
  Speaker 2: so manly. That's such a reflection of strength and power.
• 50:36
  Speaker 1: And it's after their enemies, those democratic cities, all right,
• 50:46
  Speaker 1: not you have a jogorithm when someone fuse thank you, James.
• 50:50
  Speaker 2: When someone fuses their.
• 50:51
  Speaker 1: Identity with the leader, criticism of that leader feels like
• 50:55
  Speaker 1: an attack on the self. That's why facts and logic
• 50:59
  Speaker 1: don't work. You're not debating policy, you're threatening their sense
• 51:02
  Speaker 1: of worth. Yeah, I mean that's right. But when somebody
• 51:05
  Speaker 1: fuses their identity with the leader, you can't reach them.
• 51:10
  Speaker 1: You can't reach them. They're gonna have to do the
• 51:14
  Speaker 1: work to unwind their own identity from the leader's identity.
• 51:18
  Speaker 1: And these are people who feel the grieved since I
• 51:22
  Speaker 1: don't know, the Russia hoax supposedly in twenty sixteen, they
• 51:26
  Speaker 1: feel the grief since that first election, since you know,
• 51:31
  Speaker 1: Hillary Clinton called them, what was it? I forget, But yeah,
• 51:37
  Speaker 1: these are.
• 51:37
  Speaker 2: People who are feel like they are.
• 51:47
  Speaker 1: They've been Yeah, they've been left behind and they've been ignored,
• 51:51
  Speaker 1: and that their identity is somehow connected to Trump's identity.
• 51:54
  Speaker 2: I agree with that. I think that's right. It's a
• 51:57
  Speaker 2: personality worship. This is tribalism. This is tribalism.
• 52:04
  Speaker 1: Abraham Maga has always excused Trump and his allies, but
• 52:08
  Speaker 1: their two colors that be have been have long been clear.
• 52:13
  Speaker 1: Yet he still enjoys ninety percent Geopia approval. Something dark
• 52:17
  Speaker 1: has taken rude on the right, and it's damaged to
• 52:20
  Speaker 1: institutions will endure.
• 52:22
  Speaker 2: Absolutely, there's no question.
• 52:24
  Speaker 1: I mean, the right has abandoned all semblance of individual rights, of.
• 52:28
  Speaker 2: Liberty, of freedom.
• 52:30
  Speaker 1: It is about power, naked power, and in this case,
• 52:35
  Speaker 1: power to penalize those who you feel like have offended you,
• 52:45
  Speaker 1: penalize those who you feel like are destroying your America.
• 52:51
  Speaker 1: How you define America exactly, and it's not clear, but
• 52:54
  Speaker 1: your America is being defiled by them, and therefore you
• 52:57
  Speaker 1: want to use power in order to crush them. But yes,
• 53:08
  Speaker 1: you know, the damaged to institutions will endure.
• 53:12
  Speaker 2: And uh, you know, we have lost a political party.
• 53:16
  Speaker 1: There is no Republican party anymore, not not in the
• 53:19
  Speaker 1: old sense of the world. There is a new political party,
• 53:22
  Speaker 1: which is a you know, unworthy of America, you know,
• 53:29
  Speaker 1: unworthy of America.
• 53:30
  Speaker 2: They don't live up to what a political party in
• 53:32
  Speaker 2: America should be.
• 53:36
  Speaker 1: Andrew Rand sharply criticized using superior to describe men of
• 53:41
  Speaker 1: great ability. She said, it's niche Nietzschean thinking and applies
• 53:46
  Speaker 1: an arbitrary metaphysical comparison among men and marginalizes free will.
• 53:52
  Speaker 1: Is that right, yes, and marginalizes morality. Morality is not
• 53:57
  Speaker 1: about intally. It's not about ability see ability. It's about choices,
• 54:04
  Speaker 1: and it's about the choices that you make, the kind
• 54:07
  Speaker 1: of human being you turn yourself into. And that is
• 54:11
  Speaker 1: not about being superior inferior. That is about choosing to
• 54:18
  Speaker 1: live based on your mind, choosing to live a rational life,
• 54:25
  Speaker 1: and it is She rejected the idea that superior is above.
• 54:34
  Speaker 2: No, I mean no, no superior human beings.
• 54:37
  Speaker 1: That people who are better at this and better at that.
• 54:40
  Speaker 1: That people who are achieved more achieve less, make more money,
• 54:43
  Speaker 1: make less money, produce more values, less values. But that
• 54:47
  Speaker 1: doesn't make them superior, and it doesn't make them more moral.
• 54:54
  Speaker 1: Morality is something that anybody can achieve it, whatever level
• 54:57
  Speaker 1: of ability.
• 55:01
  Speaker 2: So yes, morality is not an.
• 55:02
  Speaker 1: Issue of IQ, It's not an issue of ability, It's
• 55:04
  Speaker 1: an issue of choices. Rational Ip, thank you, rational Ip. I.
• 55:12
  Speaker 1: Just I turned for a trip to China and Hong
• 55:13
  Speaker 1: Kong really looking forward, looked forward.
• 55:16
  Speaker 2: To Hong Kong.
• 55:17
  Speaker 1: It's tragic that the city's future seems to be. How
• 55:21
  Speaker 1: close did Hong Kong come to objectives free market ideal?
• 55:25
  Speaker 2: I think it came pretty close.
• 55:27
  Speaker 1: It was one of the closest in human history, together
• 55:31
  Speaker 1: with the US and the late nineteenth century.
• 55:33
  Speaker 2: And I mean it.
• 55:35
  Speaker 1: Did not have it never had a free political system.
• 55:39
  Speaker 1: It never had explicit recognition of individual rights and defense
• 55:44
  Speaker 1: of individual rights.
• 55:45
  Speaker 2: It was all implicit.
• 55:47
  Speaker 1: But there was a protection of contracts and property rights. Now,
• 55:51
  Speaker 1: for example, land was never a free market in Hong Kong.
• 55:56
  Speaker 1: Hong Kong, the state always controlled land and land use,
• 56:02
  Speaker 1: but for the most about there were very few regulations,
• 56:05
  Speaker 1: very few controls.
• 56:08
  Speaker 2: There was immense amount of freedom.
• 56:10
  Speaker 1: And while there was no political freedom in the sense
• 56:12
  Speaker 1: of voting, there were political freedoms in the sense of
• 56:15
  Speaker 1: free speech, which is more important.
• 56:22
  Speaker 2: So yeah, I mean Hong Kong.
• 56:24
  Speaker 1: Was about as free as we've seen any country get
• 56:29
  Speaker 1: there were there was some there was a small welfare state,
• 56:33
  Speaker 1: there was some regulations, particularly later on, but mostly it
• 56:42
  Speaker 1: was left alone, even more so than than Singapore. So
• 56:46
  Speaker 1: it's about as free as any place has ever been
• 56:49
  Speaker 1: on Planet Earth.
• 56:53
  Speaker 2: Ryan.
• 56:54
  Speaker 1: In my opinion, refusing to judge shame people with evil
• 56:57
  Speaker 1: ideas is just sanction of the evil. You can't accompromise
• 57:01
  Speaker 1: or hide the truth of reality.
• 57:04
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean absolutely.
• 57:06
  Speaker 1: You know, we talked about this when I did my
• 57:09
  Speaker 1: He Runs Rules for Life, when you talked about.
• 57:12
  Speaker 2: Justice. You've got to judge, judge and be prepared to
• 57:16
  Speaker 2: be judged. But you've got to judge. It's a survival requirement.
• 57:23
  Speaker 1: You cannot be successful in life if you don't judge
• 57:28
  Speaker 1: the people that you interact with, if you don't make
• 57:32
  Speaker 1: assessment about who's good and who's bad, who's positive force
• 57:35
  Speaker 1: and who's a negative force.
• 57:37
  Speaker 2: Who can you reach the life? Who hurts your life?
• 57:40
  Speaker 1: And that's basically the fundamental right.
• 57:51
  Speaker 2: So yeah, I mean I think that.
• 57:59
  Speaker 1: I think that this is one of the most important
• 58:00
  Speaker 1: principles in the objectivists. In objectivism is judge and judge
• 58:06
  Speaker 1: negatively and judge positively. I mean, it's not just an
• 58:09
  Speaker 1: and it's not just the negative, it's it's also the positive. Now,
• 58:14
  Speaker 1: how you communicate that judgment depends on your motives and
• 58:18
  Speaker 1: your goals and your purpose.
• 58:21
  Speaker 2: You don't always have to be harsh.
• 58:23
  Speaker 1: It depends on who the person is, what the context is,
• 58:25
  Speaker 1: what exactly is going on, and what your what your
• 58:28
  Speaker 1: motives are.
• 58:32
  Speaker 2: All right, let's see God voice still doesn't last for
• 58:45
  Speaker 2: very long time.
• 58:48
  Speaker 1: Jamie very pro free market and anti Guman intervention. But
• 58:52
  Speaker 1: how can a road, a power line, infrastructure get duplicated
• 58:56
  Speaker 1: once one company has the land or line in sordinary?
• 59:00
  Speaker 1: Is a natural monopoly? Seems almost inevitable. Well, let's say
• 59:04
  Speaker 1: a road from point eight to point B. It's quite
• 59:10
  Speaker 1: possible that it'll be the only road from point eight
• 59:13
  Speaker 1: for point B. So what so they have call it
• 59:17
  Speaker 1: a natural monopoly of it? Why is that a problem?
• 59:20
  Speaker 1: That is, they'll they'll toll it, and they'll charge a toll,
• 59:24
  Speaker 1: and if you want to go from point A for
• 59:25
  Speaker 1: point B, you'll pay the toll, and if you don't
• 59:27
  Speaker 1: want to go, you won't. And you know there is
• 59:30
  Speaker 1: the potential to try to build another road from point
• 59:33
  Speaker 1: eight to point B. There's not one path from any
• 59:36
  Speaker 1: two points and if there's enough demand for that road,
• 59:39
  Speaker 1: and if there's enough reason, and if there are things
• 59:42
  Speaker 1: that can be developed along the alternative road, then alternative
• 59:45
  Speaker 1: roads could be built.
• 59:48
  Speaker 2: The same is true of a power line.
• 59:50
  Speaker 1: There's absolutely no reason not to have more than one
• 59:53
  Speaker 1: power line. Now, if you keep the price of the
• 59:56
  Speaker 1: power line cheap enough of the power flowing through the
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 1: power line, then the incentive to build an alternative is reduced.
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 1: But I might just build a power plant closer to
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 1: closer to the customers, and there I don't have to
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 1: duplicate your entire power lines. Or I might build a
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 1: power line under the road, or I might use a
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 1: wireless technology to get the electricity or whatever it is
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 1: that I'm funneling to them.
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 2: The point is.
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 1: If it is a natural monopoly, so what it still
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 1: doesn't justify your regulation charge as much as you can,
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 1: you can't charge anything in the route because people people
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 1: need to pay you in order to use the service,
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 1: So you'll charge more than other people charge.
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 2: Why is that a sin? Why is that bad?
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 1: And if you charge a lot and there are alternate options,
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 1: then markets will find a way around those alternative options,
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 1: including new technologies that might not require building out all
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 1: the infrastructure that already exists. All right, Nikoka, do a
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 1: members only show of your favorite movies. I've done some
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 1: members only shows of movies, but I will do more
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 1: of those. I'm way behind the members only shows. I'm
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 1: way behind on so the review shows that I promised
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 1: you guys. I'm still I will catch up one of
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 1: these days. Liam, the Trump cult was never about policy.
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 1: It's about identity, dependence and rage. How did the American
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 1: people become so psychologically vulnerable? Or have they been this
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 1: way since a new deal? No, I mean I've talked
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 1: extensively in how they became so vulerable.
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 2: I've done it on the show. I've done lectures about this.
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 1: I mean, you can go back and find everything that
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 1: I've said about this. Or basically, I think that this
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 1: is a consequence of decades and decades of decades of
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 1: mixed economy. But then the three big events that made
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 1: them particularly vulnerable to this were nine to eleven the
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 1: financial crisis and COVID And nine to eleven financial crisis.
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 2: In particular.
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 1: Basically destroyed the reliability of experts and leadership and people
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 1: in positions of authority. Their lies was so explicit was
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 1: so damning it also caused American people to lose any
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 1: kind of sense of self esteem. But yes, I think
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 1: that the psychology of Americans, self esteem and the sense
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 1: of life of America is being dramatically eroded by dramatically
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 1: eroded by nine to eleven and the financial crisis. And
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 1: again I've given a whole talks on this and done
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 1: whole shows here.
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 2: On this, so you can reference those all right, BSR.
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 1: What do you think it would take for the US
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 1: to rightly several relations with the record wretched kata I
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 1: feel the world is.
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 2: So deep in their pockets.
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 1: I don't think there is a situation which the United
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 1: States would several relations with CUTA.
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 2: I just don't.
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 1: I mean, that would require the United States developing a
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 1: moral backbone. It would require the United States to be
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 1: able to identify its interests in America first policy. It
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 1: would require the United States to actually care about justice
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 1: in the world and who the good guys and the
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 1: bad guys are. And I just don't see anybody in
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 1: the US caring one way or the other about that.
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 1: Not to mention how much money cuts off A spent
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 1: over the last.
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 2: Few decades in.
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 1: Basically corrupting so much of our establishment, whether it's universities,
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 1: in politics, they lobby.
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 2: Much much, much, much more.
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 1: Than Israel does or the Jews do, but nobody cares.
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 1: Nobody cares. So yeah, I don't think it's gonna happen
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 1: anytime soon anyway, Efficient fleshing, have you have you heard
• 1:04:38
  Speaker 1: the Malays candidate for this election receive financial support from
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 1: a drug dealer?
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 2: Sees me Lay still supports him. What is your view?
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 2: You know? I don't know.
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 1: I haven't heard about it. I don't know what kind
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 1: of drug dealer, I mean, a violent gangster. Who is
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 1: it exactly? Drug should be legal anyways. I'm not that
• 1:04:58
  Speaker 1: opposed to drug dealing. It's a question of whether it
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 1: also involves murdering and other stuff.
• 1:05:03
  Speaker 2: So I don't know. I don't know. I'd have to
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 2: research it and I'll look into it. Ali.
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 1: Hey, you onn just training mind about the book review
• 1:05:13
  Speaker 1: of the Tiger. Yep, It's on my list. I've not forgotten.
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 1: I'm riddled with guilt about not having done it already.
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 1: It will happen, I promise enery Ken Israel go alone
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 1: for its justice and their citizens' rights. Counted to demand
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 1: of just about all nations in the world. Very difficult
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 1: to go alone without the United States backing.
• 1:05:36
  Speaker 2: Israel is a tiny little country.
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 1: It cannot supply everything that it needs. It needs, it
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 1: needs help and support. It's white caves to the United
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 1: States so often. The rest of the world not so much,
• 1:05:49
  Speaker 1: but the US it needs. Ryan Sending thousands of enemy
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 1: combatants back to the peacefully sounds so ridiculous. You cannot
• 1:06:01
  Speaker 1: make this stuff up, yep, and not only make it up,
• 1:06:05
  Speaker 1: but support it and chew it on and twist Natonio's
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 1: arm to get it done.
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 2: Absolutely can happen, Frank, Will you're electing.
• 1:06:15
  Speaker 1: More right wing leaders be the only way to deal
• 1:06:19
  Speaker 1: with Islam. Also, when the banner did me at campaigns
• 1:06:23
  Speaker 1: and people, was it free speech?
• 1:06:26
  Speaker 2: Yes, as long as they weren't committing.
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 1: What do you call it deformation or something like that,
• 1:06:34
  Speaker 1: then it's free speech. And if it was defamation, they
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 1: could have been sued. Will you electing more right wing
• 1:06:42
  Speaker 1: leaders be the.
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 2: Only way for it to deal with the slamp? It
• 1:06:46
  Speaker 2: might be?
• 1:06:47
  Speaker 1: I mean, look, uh, I hate to say this because
• 1:06:51
  Speaker 1: so you will freak out.
• 1:06:53
  Speaker 2: But look, the slump problem might just take care of itself.
• 1:06:55
  Speaker 1: That is, if Hamas is defeated, if Iran is defeated,
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 1: the inspiration for the Islamists in Europe goes away. Many
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 1: Muslims in Europe actually do assimilate, I you know, not
• 1:07:16
  Speaker 1: a majority unfortunately, but many do and that.
• 1:07:18
  Speaker 2: Will only increase over time.
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 1: That also will only increase if Islam miss them is
• 1:07:24
  Speaker 1: defeated in the Middle East. And it could be that
• 1:07:26
  Speaker 1: Islam just fades as a real dramatic issue. It could
• 1:07:33
  Speaker 1: also be that the liberal forces rise up in Europe and
• 1:07:36
  Speaker 1: they take care of Islam by doing the kind of
• 1:07:40
  Speaker 1: things that I talked about yesterday.
• 1:07:42
  Speaker 2: But given a trajectory right now, the most likely path.
• 1:07:46
  Speaker 1: Is for right wing forces, anti liberty, anti freedom, right
• 1:07:51
  Speaker 1: wing forces in Europe to take care of Islam. Yes,
• 1:07:59
  Speaker 1: let me just see, I wanted to and there was
• 1:08:02
  Speaker 1: a bunch of stickers that I wanted to thank before
• 1:08:06
  Speaker 1: we finish. Stephen Happer, thank you for the sticker. Oops,
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  Speaker 1: let's see, Lawson CALLI, thank you for the sticker. And
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  Speaker 1: And again, happy birthday. All right, Mary Ellen says, so
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  Speaker 1: welcome back, you on, thank you. Jonathan Okay Tony talks back.
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  Speaker 1: What are your thoughts on Doctor Victor Frankel and man
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  Speaker 1: search for Meaning? I just published a thirty minute video
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  Speaker 1: on the subject your viewers may find interesting. You know,
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  Speaker 1: I read Frankel's Social Meaning decades ago. I don't remember
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  Speaker 1: the details. Look, the problem I find with most of
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  Speaker 1: these accounts of meaning is, at the end of the day,
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  Speaker 1: they're all searching for meaning outside of themselves.
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  Speaker 2: And I'll do a longer show on this because this
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  Speaker 2: deserves a show.
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  Speaker 1: Meaning is to be fined with within you. Meaning is
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  Speaker 1: something you find by living a meaningful life. And a
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  Speaker 1: meaningful life means a life filled with reason and and
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  Speaker 1: and and and productiveness and UH and pride, a life
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  Speaker 1: filled with love and UH and friendship and and and
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  Speaker 1: value creation. Meaning is to be fined in your own life,
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  Speaker 1: in living the kind of life, a moral life that
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  Speaker 1: is ultimately what.
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  Speaker 2: Meaning is.
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  Speaker 1: And and I find that attempts to find meaning outside
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  Speaker 1: of oneself a destined to disasterin ultimately destined to undermine
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  Speaker 1: your own capabilities to live a happy, successful life. I'm
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  Speaker 1: not sure I've answered your question, but people you can
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  Speaker 1: check out. Tony talks back philosophy and literature. He's got
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  Speaker 1: a thirty minute video on Victor Frankel's Man Social Meaning,
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  Speaker 1: which is an important book.
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  Speaker 2: Check it out see what he thinks.
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  Speaker 1: There's no there's nothing that has higher meaning than you.
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  Speaker 2: You are the highest meaning for you. There's nothing beyond that.
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  Speaker 1: There's nothing more than that that you can want and seek,
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  Speaker 1: and ultimately meaning comes from achieving happiness.
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  Speaker 2: I see, Felix.
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  Speaker 1: What's your view on hybrid systems like those in the
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  Speaker 1: Gulf State states where cities build on large capital investments
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  Speaker 1: coexist with authoritarianism. I think it's unsustainable. I mean, it's
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  Speaker 1: hard to tell over what period of time, but it's unsustainable.
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  Speaker 2: I'm very negative about these systems.
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  Speaker 1: They're not systems oriented around individuals pursuit of happiness. They're
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  Speaker 1: primarily oriented about the leaders of these places making a
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  Speaker 1: lot of money and creating environments in which people feel safe.
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  Speaker 1: But it's not clear that over the long run people
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  Speaker 1: are safe in those places. I think they're very dangerous systems,
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  Speaker 1: but look, they're better.
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  Speaker 2: Then building.
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  Speaker 1: You know, prisons or building authoritarian regimes, the authoritarian through
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  Speaker 1: and through, so at least there's some sense of freedom,
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  Speaker 1: at least some people get to benefit from it. At
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  Speaker 1: least some people get the freedom that's involved in living
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  Speaker 1: in these places like Dubai and so on.
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  Speaker 2: I find them suspect, and.
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  Speaker 1: You know, I think the closest that I would be
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  Speaker 1: positive towards Singapore because there's no religion behind the Singaporean
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  Speaker 1: there's no royal family.
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  Speaker 2: There is a regime of political.
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  Speaker 1: Party, but they don't have an ideology driving it like
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  Speaker 1: Dubai and the Arab Emirates and so on, and even
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  Speaker 1: Saudi Arabia.
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  Speaker 2: Now there's no risk of it becoming really horrific. Singapore
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  Speaker 2: for the most part.
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  Speaker 1: Has managed this balance of some authoritarianism, not some authoritarianism,
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  Speaker 1: with a lot of freedom even in Singapore. I don't
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  Speaker 1: know how sustainable it is over the very long run,
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  Speaker 1: but I trust Singapore more than I trust Dubai, and
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  Speaker 1: I would consider living in Singapore.
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  Speaker 2: I would never consider living in Dubai because.
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  Speaker 1: Not only is the an underlying authoritarianism, there's an underlying
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  Speaker 1: there's an underlying.
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  Speaker 2: There's an underlying barbarism.
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  Speaker 1: There's an underlying uh, you know, uh Islamism, and and
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  Speaker 1: and and in an appeal to Islam and way treat
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  Speaker 1: women and in other ways that is that is incompatible
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  Speaker 1: with true liberty and freedom that does not exist in Singapore.
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  Speaker 1: I don't think Singapore is quite as based on race
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  Speaker 1: as as some will suggest. At least I don't think
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  Speaker 1: that's true. Jamie says, I'm a huge Milton Friedman fan.
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  Speaker 1: I guess but what he had, what has he gotten wrong?
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  Speaker 1: And who do you believe is the best economists dead
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  Speaker 1: or alive to look up and read?
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  Speaker 2: Ps feel better? Thank you.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, Milton feed was good, but he was he
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  Speaker 1: was wrong on a lot of things. I mean, he
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  Speaker 1: was suddenly wrong in US central Bank most of his life.
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  Speaker 1: Towards the end of his life he came to around
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  Speaker 1: to the conclusion that it shouldn't exist. But most of
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  Speaker 1: his life he supported a central bank and thought it
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  Speaker 1: was it was right. I think there were a lot
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  Speaker 1: of things like that. I don't have anything offhand right
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  Speaker 1: now that he supported there was wrong.
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  Speaker 2: He definitely had a.
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  Speaker 1: Wrong view of morality and a wrong view of philosophy
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  Speaker 1: around it. In terms of the best economist it's it's lootingly.
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  Speaker 1: Von Messn Mesas is the most consistent and the best economist.
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  Speaker 1: And generally I would read in the Chicago School from Menga,
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  Speaker 1: von bowk.
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  Speaker 2: Uh and and Uh and Uh and Misus.
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  Speaker 1: Also Israel Kurtzner, who I think is still a life today,
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  Speaker 1: is well. Kutzner is a great economist, and and there
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  Speaker 1: are probably others, but but yeah, Mesas and Kutzner are
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  Speaker 1: people you should be reading right now. All right, guys,
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  Speaker 2: fifty dollars.
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  Speaker 1: James, thank you, and and we had some stickers. Hopefully
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  Speaker 2: We'll see two or three pm eas Coast time. I
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  Speaker 2: will see you all tomorrow. Have a great rest of
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  Speaker 2: your Sunday. I'll see you tomorrow Monday. Bye, everybody,