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A Glimpse 'Through The Veil’ · PNW Haunts & Homicides

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[MUSIC]
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We get a lot of people who come in and they're like, I don't really know what I am,
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but I'm interested in all of this.
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And that's where Courtney and August have created this amazing community that there are just so
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many people to ask and so many people that come to these kinds of things.
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And Courtney and August are so knowledgeable that they can usually point you in the right direction
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and be like, oh hey, there's this book over here, there's book over here.
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That's what I love the most about the shop is that Courtney and August, they run it not just
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as a shop but as a community meeting place.
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[MUSIC]
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Hi, Caitlyn.
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Hi, Cassie.
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Hi, creepy people.
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Hello.
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If you're new to our creepy corner of the world, this is PNW Haunts and Homicides, where we chat about
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true crime, paranormal, and all things creepy or witchy in the Pacific Northwest.
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We do a tarot reading at the end of every episode for deeper insight into the topic.
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So make sure you stick around if you're into that.
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And if you're not, then I'm not even really sure why you're here, but I guess welcome.
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Thanks.
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You can listen to the other stuff, I guess it's fine.
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But this episode, we actually did an Oracle reading and a rune reading.
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Yes.
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And Caitlyn missed it all.
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Oh, it hurt.
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Her heart hurt. I felt really bad.
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We even talked about you because I was like, I feel so bad because she had to sit through all
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of the creepy dolls interview and then she doesn't even get to do the witchy interview.
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Yeah, you know what? That is my luck. That's what that is.
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And so I'm sorry, also, spoiler alert, there might be some creepy dolls coming.
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I'm just going to throw that out there.
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I was wondering why you said that rather than their names.
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And I was going to say they're such lovely people.
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And I remember.
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Because we haven't talked to them yet, technically.
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That you guys have heard on this timeline.
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But this time we are talking with a local witchy shop called Through the Veil.
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And they are in Hillsboro in the Orenco area.
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They're kind of tucked back in from the main strip, but very easy to find.
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And it's just magical and they sell magical things.
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Yeah.
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And I am so excited for future.
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Caitlyn.
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And also Cassie.
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She will be there.
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But yeah, very excited for future us tomorrow us.
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We're going to go.
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And Caitlyn's never been.
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I've been a bunch of times.
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Actually, in this episode, we're going to talk about it.
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But they have gatherings.
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And they had a full moon gathering that I went to.
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It was really fun.
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The moon was just out.
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It was shining on all of us.
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We had a fire pit.
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We did a meditation, a group meditation.
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It was really fun.
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That just sounds so lovely.
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Yeah.
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Do you want to know what I did?
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No.
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I gave my dog antibiotics and I gave her an Epsom salt soak.
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So that was.
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If you want to know about that story, join our Patreon and listen to Book Discussion.
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Yeah, I cannot tell that story twice.
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Yeah.
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I intentionally did not tell Cassie everything that occurred because I was like,
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I can't keep telling this story.
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And dog mom problems.
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No.
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So yeah, she couldn't join because of dog problems.
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But never fear, I was not alone.
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Because when she know it, I ran into our Patreon Courtney.
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Amazing.
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Who we ran into also at the two girls one go show.
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I just, I can't with this.
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It was so funny.
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I saw her and I was like, oh my god again.
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Like, yeah.
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But it was really excited because I was like, thank gosh,
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I have someone here with me that I know.
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And not like people were not friendly and not nice.
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But you know, you just don't know anybody.
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And it's, yeah, I'm sure ability.
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You know?
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So it's nice.
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Thank you Courtney.
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Thanks for being my buddy for the night.
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Buddy.
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My full moon buddy.
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Yeah.
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Because her other full moon buddy was having a real full moon night.
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No.
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Yeah.
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Like an ER doctor.
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Moon night.
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So.
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Oh boy.
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Lovely.
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Yeah.
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That was fun.
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Should we get into this episode?
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I suppose so.
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All right.
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Bye, Caitlyn.
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Get outa here.
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Okay.
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Okay.
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So today we're with Courtney and Lizzy.
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And Courtney is owner of a local shop called Through the Veil.
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And Lizzy runs some of the events there.
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Is that correct?
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Yes.
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All right.
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Well, Courtney, do you want to tell us a little bit about your beautiful shop
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and how it all came to be?
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So it is a witch shop.
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I guess how it came to be a few years ago.
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My husband and I were dating then.
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Of course, we weren't married yet.
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And we went to Salem, Massachusetts.
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And I saw all the witchy shops there and just fell in love with that whole
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environment and such.
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How could you not?
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I know.
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And Salem is like the best place for it.
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So.
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So yeah, so he had owned a spiritual shop before.
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It was more of like all different spiritualities and religions.
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So he he'd done that for like, I think four years or something.
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And he'd worked in other metaphysical shops.
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So he was very adamant that he was done with that life.
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And he did not want to do it again.
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I don't know how I put the bug in his ear, but the whole drive back
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from Massachusetts to Michigan.
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It's like a seven hour drive.
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I was like, well, if we had a shop, we would carry these items.
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And like, we're making a list in a journal and doing all this stuff like totally hypothetically.
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But eventually, I think he he warmed up to the idea.
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And even moving to Oregon, he did not want to come to Portland area right away.
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He had lived here in the past.
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Oh, really?
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I can't imagine why.
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Right.
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Yeah.
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So.
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But yeah, eventually we ended up out here.
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We first moved to Salem.
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We were kind of thinking, like I said, he didn't really want to do Portland again.
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And we were kind of thinking, oh, we'll make a Salem Massachusetts of the West.
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And so we were there a few months.
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We just weren't finding a good property really for a store and the situation that we wanted,
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which was like a live work type situation.
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And then we found this building here and
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everything just kind of fell into place.
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It was meant to be.
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It was like it.
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So Hillsboro is probably like 20 to 30 minutes from Portland.
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So you guys aren't in the main main city.
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Right.
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And then even then you're kind of back from the main road too.
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So I feel like you're kind of like tucked in this little magical section of Hillsboro.
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It's awesome.
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It's really close to everything.
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But it doesn't feel like it is.
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Right.
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And we love that about it.
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This neighborhood, it is a neighborhood.
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So it's, you know, regular houses all around us were the last like
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but hold of a commercial type place in this this neighborhood from way back when.
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And like this neighborhood has fought against like modernizing.
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Like they fought against putting in sidewalks.
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They fought against putting in street lights.
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So it's really awesome that we're kind of like
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keeping a hold of that.
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Ruleness.
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You love that.
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It's like your own little bubble and kind of like what is basically a city now.
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So it's growing so fast out here.
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It's crazy.
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And yes.
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So I understand there was some remodeling involved when you when you first got the place.
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Oh yeah.
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Yeah.
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It's just it's an old building.
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So it's from 1908.
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It was originally like a mercantile,
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grocer type building when it was built.
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It was built by the Oregon nursing company.
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Oh wow.
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Yeah.
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And so the previous owners, I think they had gotten it in the 80s.
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They'd done a lot to the building.
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I know there was a fire at one point.
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And so they had to rebuild the storefront itself.
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And they've tried to keep everything as original as possible.
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But by the time we got to it, it had sat for a couple of years and it had some active
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roof leaks unfortunately.
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And so that's always something that's like you had to get on top of it right away or you're
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going to have problems.
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So yeah.
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And then they were using the storefront area for mostly woodworking.
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They made some wagon wheels and stuff.
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And they had a large collection of old like antiques and just various like
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oddity type things and just things.
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So it was not ready to be a store for sure.
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We had to basically go in.
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There was a couple of rooms built over there.
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And we had to take those out and just redo the whole thing.
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So you guys did such a good job.
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It's so beautifully decorated.
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I can't believe the ceiling is that's my favorite part of the whole place.
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It's so beautiful.
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It's like a black.
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Is it black ceiling?
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It's black like it's a glossy black tin ceiling.
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It is real tin.
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Oh wow.
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So but it was it's not original to the building though.
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We installed that ourselves.
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So it's beautiful in there.
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Looks like you guys just took so much care.
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The space has such good vibes.
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I love going in there.
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I do remember like the first time I was in there.
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There was a witch mask on the wall.
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And with a sign that said it was there.
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When you guys moved in, is that still there?
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It is.
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Yeah.
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It'll stay there.
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It's like a little bit of a traffic.
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So that was there when you guys bought the place?
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Like I said, they just had a collection of stuff.
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And so that was still hanging on the pillar right,
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roughly right where it is now.
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We took it down to paint obviously and put it back.
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But and we fixed it.
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We put batteries in it because it has a button.
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You push it and it like sings and does funny stuff.
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But yeah, it's very old.
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And the some of the I think the grandkids of the people
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who own the building for us have been in the shop.
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And one of them was like, hey, I put that there.
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And so that was fine.
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That's all I love that.
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That is so flipping cute.
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Yeah.
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Okay, so let's go into what Lizzy runs.
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You said she runs full moon gatherings and and sabbats.
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Sabbits.
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I was like, there's there's a word I can't pronounce
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and I don't want to sound stupid.
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Not at all.
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And she teaches some classes.
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Yes.
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Oh, okay.
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So tell me about all those things.
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Yeah.
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So every month we do a new moon and full moon circles.
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My friend Lisa runs the new moon ones.
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We do a lot of drumming for that.
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That's a drumming circle for the new moons.
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For the full moons, I do those.
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And then I also do the sabbats which are like to pagan holy days.
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There are eight of them a year and it follows the the wheel of the year.
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I also as Courtney said occasionally teach classes.
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I did a class on honor your ancestors even if they suck.
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A lot of people.
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A lot of people in the pagan community come from a hard background.
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Either some of their family, they get a lot of flack from their family about being pagan.
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We get a lot of evangelical castoffs.
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You know, people that didn't find a home in the church.
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And they're finding a home in paganism.
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But that creates kind of that tension within their family line.
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Or they come from religious trauma.
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And so they've split from their family because you know, they they follow a really hard religious line.
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So connecting to your ancestors even when there is kind of that tension, it's still possible.
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And so I taught a class around that around how to kind of get around
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the fact that your immediate ancestors really suck.
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I'm also going to teach a class on runes.
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I've been working with runes for about about 12 years now.
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And yeah.
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So the the sabbats that we do, the pagan holy days, we make that accessible to everybody.
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We don't have any particular like line that we follow.
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Like we don't do Wiccan sabbats.
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We don't do druid sabbats.
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We don't do Hellenistic sabbats.
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Like it's just kind of an all around pagan thing.
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We follow the wheel of the year.
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So the next one is going to be you all, which is the winter solstice or Albin Arthin.
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And I think it's a good time.
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We usually talk about what the sabbat is, the significance of it.
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And then we usually have something to do a lot of time.
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It's setting an intention for the coming year.
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For you all, especially how to kind of honor the passing of the year
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and what you want the next year to look like.
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So yeah.
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That's what we do.
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That is so cool.
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So can you just show up to these as they're exactly?
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Absolutely.
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A minor do you have to sign up?
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You don't have to sign up.
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You just show up.
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All of it is on the stores website throughtheveilshop.com.
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It's also on Facebook and Instagram.
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And then there's also a Facebook community group
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for the shop where we post about the events.
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Book clubs.
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We are also going to be doing a book club coming up again.
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Probably in January.
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Question mark.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Oh, that's awesome.
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That's right.
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When every year I'm like, I'm going to read more books this year.
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That's my resolution.
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There you go.
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Here's a way to keep that.
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Yeah.
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Exactly.
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Yeah, we do, we do witchy books.
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So I think the next one that we're going to do is the Morrigan book by Courtney Weber.
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Right?
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Yeah.
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So Courtney Weber actually reached out to us.
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She lives in the area so she's going to come talk to us about the book once we reread it.
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Oh, wow.
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That's awesome.
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I'll have to keep my eye out.
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That's really interesting.
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Is it the same for book clubs?
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Do you do it at the shop?
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Do you do it virtually?
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Yeah, we do both for the book club.
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So it is at the shop and then we do a Zoom link as well.
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And we often record it.
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So if people miss it, they can catch up.
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Oh, that's cool.
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I love that.
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Yeah, that's also a great place to talk about.
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Like if you have questions about the path that you're on,
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we get a lot of people who come in and they're like, oh,
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I really know what I am, but I'm interested in all of this.
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And that's where Courtney and August have created this amazing community
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that there are just so many people that ask and so many people that come to these kinds of things.
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And Courtney and August are so knowledgeable that they can usually point you
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in the right direction and be like, oh, hey, there's this book over here.
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There's book over here.
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If you're interested in Druidry, go talk to Lizzy because
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they'll try to drag you into that.
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So I love that.
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It's just like a safe space for everyone to come.
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Absolutely.
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Absolutely.
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That's what I love the most about the shop is that
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Courtney and August, they run it not just as a shop, but as a community meeting place.
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It's a place that you can come and you can ask questions.
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I've seen people come into the shop that just have
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generic questions about witchcraft.
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There are people that come in that say, hey,
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I've got something gross in my apartment.
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This feeling, how do I get rid of that?
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What would you recommend for that?
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We have people that come in that want to do,
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they want to disconnect from loved ones or ex-boyfriends.
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They want to know how the best way to do that.
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It's just such a great resource to come in and ask those kinds of questions
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that you can't really find anywhere else.
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You can throw it out to Google, but you're going to get 15 different things.
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Oh my god.
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Or you could come into the shop and talk to Courtney or August or
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anyone that's working there or if I'm hanging around that day
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and get first-hand information on the best way to go about it.
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Yeah, I feel like sometimes you don't even know what task.
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So you're just like, what do I even type in Google for this problem?
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I don't even know.
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Absolutely.
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Absolutely.
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And that's recording August or great because they can kind of pull that out and be like,
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oh, hey, well, have you tried Palo Santo?
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Like, you know, yeah, I've got some sage over here.
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You know, here's some graveyard dirt.
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Let's try that.
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A thing that I find happens a lot, especially in some of the witchy groups I follow on Facebook,
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is you'll ask a question and you'll get a lot of judgment.
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Whereas like, you know, some people want to do something and other people have an idea that
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what you should be doing and that's going to be bad karma or all this.
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And everybody has different belief systems and we really try to honor that in our shop.
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And we just give you the information.
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You know, it's not our place to say what you should or shouldn't do.
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It's your, your own person.
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So we just give the information and we carry the supplies.
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So that's like, something that's very important to me is to do that judgment-free.
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Yeah.
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Yeah, I like that.
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I don't like rules.
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So and I'm always changing my mind too.
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So I'm like, I reserve the right to change my mind about that.
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Right.
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100% 100%.
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Do you guys collect your own graveyard dirt or do you get it sourced?
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We do not collect our own.
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I unfortunately do not have time for such.
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Can you imagine?
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Extracurricular activités.
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Courtney, let's go.
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We're going to the graveyard.
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Let's do it.
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Shops out a dirt.
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We need to go.
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All right.
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So we do, we do source it.
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We do try to get it from legitimate sources and that sort of thing.
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Of course, how much can you really know if it's legit?
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Right.
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But I am very excited, though, since we're on the topic of Grave Dirt.
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I just found a new source.
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That I've ordered from.
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And they have special Grave Dirt.
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They have Grave Dirt from Disentered Graves.
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They have Grave Dirt from Freshly Dug Graves.
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And they have a Grave Salts, which is like a Grave Dirt mixed with Salts.
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And such.
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Wow.
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That's right.
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You know, right?
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I'm very excited.
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That's awesome.
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That is super awesome.
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And they work in the Funerary business.
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So I'm pretty sure that it's legit.
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I would hope so.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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That's a great, great connection to have.
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I didn't even think about that.
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Great.
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Kind of a good side hustle too.
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Right?
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If you're like, if you've got your own mortuary,
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you'll be like, yo, what's up?
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Like I got the good dirt.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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I cannot wait.
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Because I got like spell kits and stuff too.
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That comes with things like Corpse Water.
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Like they wash down the corpses before they do stuff to it.
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So lots of things.
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Stuff like I like that weird like stuff.
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So I need to I need to all about graveyard.
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Super awesome.
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Skeletons and oh my gosh, everything creepy.
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You have to tell me about you have a coffin table
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in there with a skeleton in it, right?
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It's probably not as cool as it sounds,
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but it's just a coffin table.
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It's actually cooler.
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Yeah.
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It's really cool to look at.
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So we made that the coffin table out of like plexiglass.
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So it's clear so you can see through it.
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And then put some feet on it and all that.
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And then we got a skeleton that is gold.
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And I just decorated it in flowers and lights and low
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which had and put them in there.
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And that's where he lived.
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So awesome.
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It's so beautiful.
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Is that for sale?
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It is not.
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No, I'm sorry.
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Finally, someone tried to rent it from a slash year too
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for Halloween.
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It's like, oh, that's a good idea.
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Maybe you should just put a tutorial on how to make it.
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Yeah, I could probably come up with that.
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It wasn't, I mean, the hardest part obviously is
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is cutting the plexiglass and not breaking it.
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But yeah, I'd have to hire someone to do it.
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Right.
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Yeah.
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And plexiglass isn't cheap anymore.
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Holy cow.
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I know.
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Oh, I know.
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Do you have any other art that you make
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and put around the shop like that?
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Oh, yeah.
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Yeah.
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There's tons of art in there.
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We have like a big right above the fireplace
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is like a 3D statue thing of Hecate.
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Yeah.
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So I do a lot of bone art that we sell in the shop.
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Some of it's real bones and some of it's
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we call vegan for those people who are--
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We just want to--
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--just get bought out.
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I love it.
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Yeah.
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Vegan bone art.
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And then what else?
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I make so much stuff.
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I don't even know.
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There's a pair of wings in there I've made.
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I made like the chandelier that's in the middle.
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And you made that?
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Yeah.
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The robes, the robes and stuff.
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Yeah.
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The icing gowns that are in there I've made.
22:30
She's incredibly artistic.
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Like she's so talented.
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She really is.
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Definitely shows when you go in there for sure.
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Nice.
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Absolutely.
22:39
Tell my husband you can never leave me.
22:41
[LAUGHTER]
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For the drum circle, do you have to have your own drum?
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No.
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Lisa makes her drums and brings extra ones for everybody.
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So you can just show up.
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The only thing that is good to bring her chairs
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because most of the time we're sitting and drumming
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and stuff and so having--
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there are some chairs there.
23:06
There are benches and rocking chairs available.
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That fills up pretty quick.
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Well, that's good to know.
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OK.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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And you can even, as far as drums go,
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because she does have a limited number.
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So sometimes people will share or pass them around.
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But you can bring any kind of percussion type.
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We've had people bring rattles or little like--
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Dissarie doodles.
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I don't know what--
23:32
Really?
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Thank you.
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I can never pronounce that.
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Yep.
23:37
You can even take an old bottle, like a plastic bottle,
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and put little rocks in it, and then shake it.
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I mean, just anything.
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So--
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That's cool.
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And then do you have to know anything about drumming?
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Not at all.
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Not at all.
23:52
So the idea of it is that the percussive kind of rhythm
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helps kind of change your brainway patterns
24:03
to kind of get you into a more meditative state.
24:07
And so sitting together and drumming together
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and kind of feeling that energy, the whole idea behind a new moon
24:14
is what you want to manifest for that moon cycle.
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And so as we drum, we think about, OK, what do the last moon
24:22
cycle look like?
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What just ended?
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This is the darker that moon, and this is the time
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to kind of rest and figure out what you want to manifest.
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And drumming kind of helps facilitate that.
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It helps you kind of go a little bit deeper.
24:35
Then on the full moon circles, we
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talk about what has manifested.
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Like this month, it's the hunter moon,
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or the beaver moon, or whatever.
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And that's what this is around.
24:47
And so the whole idea is to kind of live more in cycle
24:50
with the seasons and with the moon cycle.
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And you see kind of how your own energy abs
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and flows with those cycles.
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And you see kind of how that starts to take root in your own life.
25:02
That sounds really cool.
25:03
I'm going to have to get down and check it out.
25:05
Because I just need-- I need something more in my life,
25:09
more than just podcasting and working.
25:13
I need more witchy vibes in my life, for sure.
25:15
Absolutely.
25:16
Absolutely.
25:17
Yeah.
25:18
OK, can you both recommend like what
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is one basic witchy tool or something
25:26
that you provide in the store that you think everyone should
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have?
25:30
Good question.
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I mean, not everyone.
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But you know what I mean.
25:33
There's so many.
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How do you pick one?
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Right?
25:36
You can do more than one.
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I don't care.
25:38
There's no rules here.
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I guess I'll talk about the one I've been working on today,
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since it's like on my mind.
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We sell-- it's called a witch kit starter kit type thing.
25:51
Oh, perfect.
25:52
Yeah.
25:52
So we have three types.
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One is just in a regular like organ's
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bag.
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This month we'll be doing them in little mini like Christmas
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stockings for Christmas gifts.
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So two.
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And then yeah, so that it'll come with a bunch of different herbs,
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a bunch of different crystals.
26:10
It comes with like a mini candle, candle holder, matches,
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oil, Palo Santo, salt.
26:19
So I think that's most of it.
26:22
And then we have a style that's inside of a mortar and pestle.
26:25
So it comes in a mortar and pestle.
26:26
And then one comes with a little cauldron.
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So it's just a real like beginner basic kit.
26:31
And on each of the herbs and the stones,
26:34
it'll tell you what it is and like one of its metaphysical
26:36
properties.
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So it's really for people starting out who don't have a collection
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of stuff yet and they just want to get something started.
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So that's perfect.
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I love that.
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I would recommend a tarot deck as a good way
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to kind of start if you're diving into it.
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Yeah.
26:53
If you're diving into kind of like your witchy cell
26:56
because the whole idea behind tarot and divination
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is to kind of take you a little bit deeper inside yourself.
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And they have in a fantastic selection of tarot decks there.
27:05
Everything you can possibly think of.
27:08
Like they've got a tarot deck for it.
27:10
I've gotten a few decks there.
27:14
I got an Oracle deck there and it literally would not
27:17
let me leave the store without it.
27:18
I kept--
27:19
I'd be like, no, I have enough decks.
27:22
I guess they don't have an Oracle deck,
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but-- and I kept going back to it and I was like,
27:26
I have to take this home.
27:27
They won't let me leave.
27:28
Nice.
27:29
That's how you know that.
27:30
That's meant for you.
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Yep.
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Absolutely.
27:33
I know.
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And I was really bummed out because I don't have it with me.
27:36
I think I left it at my co-host house
27:39
because we used it for the last episode.
27:41
And I was like, no, I need my--
27:43
it's a moon Oracle deck.
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Ooh, nice.
27:45
It's just gorgeous.
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But I didn't bring it.
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So I'd--
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I probably--
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I believe.
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I'd probably have it.
27:51
I'd like six or seven Oracle decks over there.
27:54
So chances are I can have it.
27:55
How do you have it?
27:56
That would be so cool.
27:57
Is it the monology Oracle?
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I don't think so.
28:02
It has like cartoon witches on it and like cats.
28:05
Oh, nice.
28:07
Just very pretty artwork.
28:09
Like, girly creepy.
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I wonder if it's the one I picked up recently.
28:14
Let me go get it.
28:15
I want to see if it's best one for the first time.
28:18
I mean, obviously I have all the decks in the store,
28:20
but in my personal collection, I have this one.
28:24
That's it.
28:26
Ooh, nice.
28:27
I had a feeling that--
28:29
So it's just my buddy.
28:30
I take it everywhere with me.
28:33
And I was just like heartbroken that it wasn't in my bag
28:36
today.
28:36
I was like, no.
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Oh, I'm going to go--
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Like a piece of me.
28:41
This is when I snagged for myself.
28:43
I snagged a lot of them, unfortunately, but--
28:46
I love it.
28:47
Yeah, I love the artwork on this one.
28:48
So gorgeous.
28:49
It's so beautiful.
28:50
That's very beautiful.
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Well, of course.
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So we usually do a tarot reading or an oracle reading
29:57
or something witchy in every episode.
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So if you guys want to pull something,
30:03
if you're feeling it, I would love that.
30:05
Since I don't have my pretty deck.
30:07
Absolutely.
30:08
So I guess I will pull from the deck that you love.
30:13
You want to go first, Lucy?
30:17
Sure.
30:18
I need to do a Rune pull
30:19
Is that work?
30:21
Yes, please.
30:22
So I made my own Runes out of a Preseli Bluestone.
30:28
I carved them myself.
30:30
It took me three months to do it, because I carved them
30:34
in the proper phase of the moon and all that kind of shit.
30:38
So I have a set of Runes that I made.
30:40
And I'll do a Rune pull for you guys.
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That'll be one.
30:45
That's so exciting.
30:46
I give you the five of the day.
30:50
I have to tell you about a Rune set I saw recently
30:53
I want to get.
30:54
Ooh.
30:55
I think rooms are so beautiful.
30:57
They really are.
30:58
This is a Dagaz.
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It's the room of illumination or enlightenment.
31:06
So Dagaz, in some parts of Eastern Europe,
31:10
in Alaska, the sun will set.
31:12
And it won't rise again for 30, 40, 60 days.
31:17
So you have just months of darkness.
31:20
And then the inverse of that is where the sun rises.
31:24
And it never sets.
31:25
And it's up for a while.
31:27
But Dagaz is the illumination.
31:29
That's the sun rising after an extremely long period
31:34
of darkness.
31:35
So if you're moving through a time where you're kind of questioning,
31:40
what do I do next or where do I go?
31:43
Dagaz is the room to lean on.
31:45
It also looks like an hourglass or an infinity symbol.
31:49
So it kind of encapsulates that idea that there is no beginning
31:52
and there is no end.
31:54
It's just-- it's all a cycle, right?
31:57
It's all illumination.
31:58
So you keep working and you keep learning.
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And that's how you keep moving forward
32:03
is through the illumination of Dagaz.
32:08
That's so beautiful.
32:09
I love that.
32:10
That's perfect.
32:13
You're turn Courtney.
32:15
So I got this card - Radiant.
32:20
Ooh, beautiful.
32:21
That kind of goes together, I feel like.
32:23
It does.
32:24
I know.
32:25
We're just thinking, I'm going to look it up in the book
32:29
because it is an Oracle deck.
32:31
And Oracle's always have their own definitions for things.
32:34
I love that--
32:36
Let me see what questions they have for those cards.
32:39
OK.
32:40
Yeah.
32:41
So it says, "Radiant illuminated glowing beacon.
32:44
Be as radiant as the luminous full moon
32:47
casting a shimmering glow to all below,
32:49
blinketing the earth and dancing shadows
32:51
as the clouds pass around her.
32:54
Be as radiant as the gleaming suns sending her luminous rays
32:57
to our planet.
32:58
Both the moon and the sun are healing,
33:00
rejuvenating, and magnetic.
33:02
Soak in these powers, ignite your own glow
33:04
from within and share your newly gained strength.
33:07
Recharge your energy zones.
33:08
Tap into your inspiration and creativity
33:11
using your newly gained resources to their fullest extent.
33:15
Choose to shine on your brightest frequency.
33:17
Be like the sun, the moon, and the stars
33:19
illuminating the darkness.
33:21
Wow.
33:22
And it says, "Intention is illuminate your heart
33:25
with inspiration and love.
33:27
Be a beacon of light offering strength and guidance."
33:30
So yeah.
33:31
That sounds an awful lot like you guys in your store
33:34
and what you do for the community.
33:36
Right.
33:36
Right.
33:37
Right.
33:38
We hope.
33:39
Yeah, absolutely.
33:40
That's so perfect.
33:41
I love when it works out like that,
33:43
where you get to kind of like matching interpretations
33:48
for things and they're completely different tools
33:52
that you're using too.
33:53
That's really cool.
33:54
I love that.
33:54
That's so awesome.
33:57
Manifesting.
33:58
We're always so amazed by them.
34:00
What's that word?
34:01
Oh my gosh.
34:02
A synchronicity.
34:04
Yes.
34:05
I'm like, one of you has to pull it out of my brain.
34:08
I know what I mean.
34:10
Yeah.
34:11
So have you guys experienced any hauntings, any ghosts,
34:15
any creepy stuff?
34:18
Neal.
34:19
Oh, I mean, we could probably talk about the Ouija
34:22
I was just saying we could probably
34:23
talk about the last, the Ouija thing that we did.
34:26
That was really fascinating.
34:28
Where--
34:29
Oh, so did stuff happen.
34:30
Yeah.
34:32
You kind of.
34:34
So I will give some background first, too,
34:36
because reasons we chose to try to do the Ouija here
34:40
in the building.
34:41
So lots of people have told us a story
34:44
about the lady that owned the store in like the '40s
34:49
and '50s.
34:49
Her name was Bessie Brown.
34:51
And so she was a widow when she bought the building.
34:55
So that in itself was unique.
34:57
That she owned and ran this store on her own.
35:02
She didn't pass away here.
35:04
But she had-- everybody said that she loved the store.
35:07
They had to basically force her into retirement.
35:11
And once they did, she passed away shortly thereafter.
35:14
So the people have said that they've felt her presence there,
35:20
that they've seen her.
35:21
We've had multiple stories from random different people
35:24
who don't know each other.
35:25
Oh, wow.
35:27
The guy that owned the store before us,
35:30
he talked about her a lot and believed
35:32
that she was here.
35:34
And then we've had some younger people come in.
35:36
He said, oh, I was driving by with somebody's one night.
35:39
And we saw her out in the road.
35:41
And like, just various things like that.
35:45
She was very nice.
35:47
Everyone says she gave candy out to kids that came
35:50
in the shop and so on.
35:52
So yeah, so we kind of did this whole Ouija board thing
35:57
in the class as well as with friends to reach out
36:01
and see if she was here and that sort of thing.
36:06
But yeah, I'll let Lizzy explain the rest of what happened
36:11
when we did the Ouija board that night.
36:14
It was really interesting.
36:15
It was-- we asked if we could connect.
36:19
And there was definitely the real presence.
36:24
Our friend, Lisa, the same one that runs the new moon circles.
36:29
She is an experienced chaman or spirit walker.
36:34
And does a lot with ghost hunting.
36:37
She does a lot with cleansing.
36:41
If you have a malevolent entity on your land,
36:43
and you need that cleanse.
36:45
So we felt that we were in really good hands with Lisa.
36:49
And so she kind of helped guide the process.
36:52
So she kind of helps make sure that we were all kind of like
36:55
taking it seriously and things.
36:57
And so she was asking the right questions.
37:00
And it definitely had like a very strong sense of a presence
37:07
and in communicating.
37:08
What was hilarious is that they asked her if she liked what
37:14
we did with the store, what Courtney and August did with the store.
37:18
And it was kind of an ambiguous answer.
37:21
And we were kind of like, how?
37:23
Does that mean that you don't like it?
37:24
But then we got to thinking she ran a grocery store.
37:28
And Courtney and August store would definitely
37:30
be the worst grocery store like a round.
37:32
Like it is a terrible grocery store.
37:34
So I kind of wonder if she's looking at it
37:36
and being like, y'all are terrible at selling groceries.
37:39
Like, this is not the worst grocery store I've ever seen.
37:45
But they asked, are you here?
37:47
Are you helping?
37:48
Do you help people?
37:49
And she's like, yeah, absolutely.
37:51
So I think that spirit is still there.
37:53
And still wanting to be in service as she was for so long
37:59
in that building.
38:00
And we definitely get the sense that it's not malevolent at all.
38:06
It's a very protective and--
38:10
I don't think kind is necessarily the right word.
38:14
I think the vibe I got was kind of like stern,
38:18
but helpful like that kind of school-marm teachery kind
38:22
of like, you behave now kind of thing.
38:26
But somebody who's definitely a servant.
38:28
There was a time too that they were hopeful in the shop
38:33
as far as we know.
38:35
So there was somebody in our back corner
38:37
where the tarot decks and stuff are in the oddities.
38:39
And a book had fallen off a shelf.
38:42
Like randomly, nobody could figure out
38:44
why it would have just fallen off the shelf.
38:46
And they picked it up and put it back.
38:48
And it fell again.
38:50
And then they were like, OK, I'm
38:51
supposed to buy this book.
38:53
So it was very interesting that that happened in that way.
38:58
Because yeah, nobody could figure out.
39:00
They didn't seem like there was any legitimate reason
39:02
for the book to have fallen.
39:04
But sadly, I'm a skeptic about all of the--
39:08
that stuff I want to believe, like really badly.
39:14
But I'm still a skeptic there.
39:16
So we've had few things that were weird.
39:21
We weren't at home one time.
39:22
And we have motion sensors, of course,
39:25
on the alarm system and such.
39:27
And the motion detectors went off
39:29
and it turns on the cameras and all this.
39:31
And we're like, look in.
39:32
And we didn't see anything that would have turned it on.
39:36
And it was like a full alarm.
39:38
Like the alarm company called us and everything.
39:40
And so we're just like, yeah, no idea.
39:43
Maybe it was a cat or something.
39:46
I don't know.
39:47
So we're always trying to find other explanations.
39:52
That's healthy, though, I think.
39:55
I think that's one of the basic tenets of paganism
39:59
and kind of following a pagan path
40:02
is listening to your intuition.
40:05
That's one of the things that--
40:07
not to get too much of my soapbox,
40:08
because I could literally be here all day talking about that.
40:10
Oh, for sure.
40:11
That's one of the things that Christianity in particular,
40:15
and a lot of the major world religions,
40:18
they push is taking you away from that intuition.
40:21
They teach the tenets that the heart is deceitful above all
40:24
things.
40:24
And so you shouldn't listen to your intuition.
40:26
You should only listen to the priests or the pastors
40:29
or whatever.
40:30
And that's one of the things that I love the most
40:32
about paganism is that it puts you back in your body.
40:35
And it puts you back in control.
40:36
And it puts you back in connection
40:39
with that sense of intuition and that sense of knowing
40:44
something that even though you may not
40:46
have a legitimate reason to know, you just know.
40:50
Like you avoid that guy because he's creepy.
40:53
And then it turns out he was actually murdering people.
40:57
Or you turn left instead of right
41:00
because you have a bad feeling.
41:01
And it turns out there was a car up later that day or something.
41:05
Those are the kinds of things that I feel like a pagan path
41:08
kind of helps you get more in connection with
41:11
is thinking about things more in a mythological kind of mindset
41:14
rather than only what you can see touch, taste, feel here.
41:19
There's a lot more to the world than just what we can see
41:24
and feel.
41:25
And I feel like the pagan path has a lot more opportunity
41:29
to embrace that versus the major world religions and stuff.
41:35
That's something that I always preach is listen to that,
41:38
particularly as women.
41:40
Women's intuition should not be dismissed.
41:43
And so much of the time it has been that, oh, well,
41:46
you're just being silly or oh, you shouldn't listen to that.
41:48
I cannot tell you how many women I have heard say, oh,
41:53
this is probably silly, but.
41:55
And then something profound comes out
41:57
because they're actually listening to their intuition.
42:00
And that's what I love the most about the pagan path
42:03
is that you honor that and you lean into that versus just
42:07
being like, no, I probably shouldn't, I shouldn't
42:11
pay attention to that.
42:12
That's silly.
42:13
Yeah.
42:13
We're so powerful.
42:14
Our minds are just--
42:16
Persons.
42:17
Our guts.
42:18
They're on, I think, all the time.
42:20
Absolutely.
42:22
Absolutely.
42:22
So much more fun to look at the world and see the magic in it,
42:26
too, than to just--
42:28
Absolutely.
42:29
It's so--
42:29
Absolutely.
42:30
Because I mean, it's not like you could be dull and you
42:33
could live under a credit score.
42:35
And you could just pay your bills and go to work and do that
42:38
shit.
42:38
Or you could realize that quantum physics
42:41
is the way that science describes magic.
42:45
And you could realize that spooky action of the distance
42:48
is absolutely something that's real.
42:50
And that the energy that's all around us,
42:52
you can kind of tap into that.
42:54
And who doesn't want to live a life full of richness
42:57
in magic?
42:59
If you want to be Jess Bezos and Elon Musk and just
43:03
be a slave to the corporate overlords--
43:05
Sure.
43:06
But I want magic.
43:08
You know, I want unexplained things.
43:10
And I want spooky action of the distance.
43:12
I love that.
43:13
But also the same.
43:15
You have to have a healthy dose of skepticism.
43:17
But I can't even talk skepticism.
43:20
100%.
43:21
Courtney--
43:21
otherwise, you just kind of get lost.
43:24
And you get a little too, like, too be free.
43:26
Yeah.
43:27
Courtney and I are in a lot of the same kind of Facebook
43:30
witch groups and stuff.
43:31
And there are so many times that people will post stuff
43:34
and be like, what does this mean?
43:35
And it's like, sometimes it's just one of the guys that
43:39
ran it.
43:39
He posted a clump of cat liver that was in the shape of a heart.
43:44
And he was like, what do you guys think it means?
43:46
And he waited for people to be like, oh, maybe a cat.
43:49
And that was you.
43:50
Or maybe a cat's trying to tell you something or whatever.
43:52
And he was like, y'all, sometimes it's just cat pee.
43:55
Like, sometimes it's literally just like it's just
43:57
a turd in the shape of a heart.
43:59
Like, sometimes it doesn't mean anything.
44:01
Sometimes it's just cat litter.
44:03
And you got to take it and move on.
44:05
So there's definitely that balance that you have to live in.
44:10
Yeah, yeah, for sure.
44:13
Yeah.
44:13
On the other hand, I say I'm a skeptic.
44:16
It's mostly about the actual ghost stuff
44:19
I'm a little bit skeptical about.
44:20
But I'm trying to see the tiny little moments too
44:25
that could be considered magical.
44:28
Like the quarter.
44:29
Yeah, the quarter.
44:31
Yeah.
44:32
Yeah.
44:32
Yeah.
44:33
Recently, I wanted to buy a Curio cabinet
44:36
for my Uranium glass collection.
44:38
And I've been watching it for like a week
44:41
because it's really expensive.
44:43
And I'm like, it's black Friday.
44:45
Maybe we'll go on sale.
44:45
Maybe we'll go on sale.
44:46
And so I've been watching it and watching it.
44:48
And then like, black Friday came.
44:50
And I was like, really watching it all day.
44:51
And I'm like, why aren't they putting it on sale?
44:54
Yeah, it's like a $1200 or a cabinet.
44:56
I'm just like, I can't.
44:57
I just don't want to pay that.
44:59
And I just kept like him in a hog.
45:01
And then a customer came in and her husband
45:06
offered me a Curio cabinet.
45:09
And they showed me the picture of it.
45:11
And it looks just like the one I was looking at online.
45:13
It just wasn't black.
45:14
I'm like, whatever.
45:15
I'll paint it.
45:16
And they're just like, yeah, we're just going to get rid of it
45:18
so you could have it.
45:19
And I'm like, are you kidding me?
45:21
Nice.
45:23
I love us so perfect.
45:24
The universe is just like, here you go.
45:27
Exactly.
45:28
Love it.
45:29
Now you got it.
45:30
You manifested that shit.
45:32
Absolutely.
45:33
So yeah, I've been keeping notes of those little moments
45:36
and stuff in my grammar lately just to try to like see
45:39
that magic that they have happens.
45:42
Because you normally like that would happen to anybody.
45:45
And they'd just be like, oh, of course it ends, you know,
45:47
but like I'm trying to be like, oh, no, I'm
45:49
manifested that.
45:51
I made that happen.
45:52
Yeah.
45:53
And being open to it is part of it, too.
45:56
And like understanding they're like putting that out
45:58
there and speaking those intentions, it's so powerful.
46:01
That's why we do that on the moon circles and on the Sabbath.
46:04
So you actually want to say it and name it and say, this is what
46:09
I want to call into my life.
46:11
That's the whole point of those kinds of things.
46:14
Yeah.
46:14
And I feel like you can always start small, too.
46:18
Just something super small, like a cabinet.
46:20
That was kind of a big thing.
46:22
But even if it's like, you know, pair of shoes that you want
46:25
or something, I feel like you can start really small
46:27
and just see like your potential of what you can get.
46:32
I manifested a penny once.
46:33
So did you just really need a penny?
46:39
It was a Monday and we're closed on Mondays.
46:41
And my husband's like, he doesn't like to put a zero in the books.
46:45
So he always like, if we go out shopping, he'll be like looking
46:48
for change on the ground.
46:50
He's so right.
46:50
When I get the grocery store and he's like, we're like in the
46:53
checkout line or getting close to it.
46:55
And he's like, I forgot to look for a penny.
46:58
So I was like, OK, let's go down here.
47:00
And I kept thinking and thinking he could find a penny.
47:02
He could find a penny down this aisle.
47:04
And he turned.
47:05
And there was a penny on the floor right there in the aisle.
47:08
And I was like, yes.
47:09
Oh my god, I love that.
47:11
Awesome.
47:12
It's perfect.
47:13
You just needed one penny.
47:14
Like, now if I could just do that for a million times.
47:18
Right?
47:19
We'd be good.
47:20
Good to go.
47:21
I love those stories.
47:23
Well, is there any last things that we didn't touch on that you
47:27
want to talk about about literally anything you want?
47:31
No, thanks.
47:32
So I didn't talk too much about the good news of Druidry.
47:34
But we can--
47:35
Do you want to?
47:36
We get to joke.
47:36
Oh.
47:37
It's a joke.
47:37
I buy it.
47:38
You can go into that.
47:39
It's fine.
47:40
[LAUGHTER]
47:42
You should.
47:43
I want to hear it.
47:45
I study Druidry.
47:46
And so every time anybody comes into the store and they're
47:51
like I'm considering a pagan path, I'm like, have you heard the good news
47:55
of Druidry?
47:56
I'm like the unofficial Druid ambassador.
48:00
So it was plugging everything off.
48:03
Well, can you tell me--
48:04
OK, so can you tell us what that means?
48:06
Because I don't really know what that means.
48:09
Solaris?
48:09
Yeah.
48:10
So Druidry is a nature-based religion.
48:14
It's kind of like WCA in that.
48:17
It celebrates the Sabbath and things like that.
48:19
It's not like WCA in that.
48:22
WCA has some very laid down dogma intents
48:27
that you're supposed to follow.
48:29
How many rules?
48:29
The rule of three.
48:30
Yes, exactly.
48:32
And so Druidry doesn't really have that.
48:35
You follow the wheel of the year.
48:36
You follow the season's little paths.
48:39
It's a very chill religion.
48:42
And some people actually say that it's not a religion.
48:44
It's more of a spiritual path.
48:45
So it kind of depends on your viewpoint of it.
48:48
It's all about following the seasons, the wheel of the year,
48:52
living more in tune with nature, understanding
48:55
how the seasons affect you on an energetic level
48:58
and on a spiritual level.
49:00
And kind of just learning what that is.
49:03
The thing about Druidry is it's what you make it.
49:06
Some people follow the path of the bard, which
49:09
is very artistic.
49:11
So like if you write or you do art or you make music,
49:17
that's one path.
49:18
Some people follow the path of the ovate, which
49:21
is divination, herbalism, working with stones, shadow work,
49:27
that kind of thing.
49:29
And then other people will follow the path of the Druid,
49:31
which is teaching, kind of starting their own grove,
49:34
and things like that.
49:35
So there's a lot of different ways that you can be a Druid.
49:38
Mostly like an argrove, it's completely open.
49:42
If you want to come, you can come.
49:43
If you don't want to come, you don't have to.
49:45
There are no attendance requirements.
49:46
You don't have to be a member or anything like that.
49:50
Whenever people say, I love nature,
49:52
I really experience my spirituality when I'm outside.
49:56
I'm awed by looking up at the trees
49:58
or noticing the changing of the season.
50:00
Yes, I'm like, oh, you're a Druid.
50:02
OK, cool.
50:03
Welcome to Druidry.
50:05
It's pretty much whatever you make it.
50:09
There's no central dogma of Druidry.
50:12
There's no holy book.
50:14
There's no one person to look to that's like, oh,
50:17
this is the person that started Druidry.
50:19
And this is the main Druid or whatever.
50:22
It's all about just kind of living more in tune with yourself
50:26
and with nature and understanding how those two things
50:28
interact.
50:29
So that's the good news about Druidry.
50:32
Basically, whenever anybody comes into the shop
50:35
and they're like, I really like nature.
50:38
I really like growing things.
50:39
And I think I might be a pagan.
50:41
I'm like, you're a Druid.
50:42
Let me tell you more about Druid.
50:44
Here's this book.
50:45
You should read it.
50:45
It's great.
50:46
Do you have a book recommendation?
50:49
I have many book recommendations.
50:50
I have an entire thing.
50:53
One of the best ones that I like to start with
50:55
is Principles of Druidry by Emma Restelor.
51:00
She's a wonderful author.
51:02
She's very, very sweet, very, very kind.
51:06
It's a great way to learn about Druidry
51:09
and kind of experience it as a living, breathing spiritual practice
51:15
rather than something stuffy to read in a book.
51:18
Emma Restelor's words really come to life.
51:20
And she has a beautiful way of introducing that.
51:25
That I think is fantastic.
51:26
That would be my recommendation.
51:28
Now I have a new book to read.
51:30
Yeah.
51:31
It's funny because I feel like we're a little bit
51:34
on opposite sides of the spectrum.
51:36
But I mean, I love that because that means
51:39
that we're just covering all sides of the spectrum.
51:42
Right?
51:42
We're people.
51:43
Because my path is very, very different than Lizzie's.
51:46
Yeah.
51:47
I'm the tree hugging hippie type.
51:50
Do you want to talk about your path?
51:51
Sure.
51:52
I can.
51:53
I'm very new to it.
51:55
So anybody listening for Give Me,
51:57
if I say something that is not correct,
51:59
because I'm still learning.
52:02
And I'm very new.
52:02
We all are, yeah.
52:03
Yeah.
52:04
Right.
52:06
But it is going to sound weird, but hear me out.
52:09
So it's called Necromancy or the Necromancer,
52:13
which it's not the Hollywood version of Necromancy,
52:17
where you're trying to bring dead things back to life.
52:22
Right.
52:24
But basically the way I understand it
52:26
that I'm learning about is that any kind of working
52:29
with the dead or death energy,
52:32
even communicating with the dead,
52:34
such as all your forms of divination,
52:37
even the tarot cards can be considered
52:40
a part of this or scrying just all those various things.
52:48
So I'm kind of excited because I just
52:50
started learning about this.
52:51
And I finally love it.
52:52
I love it.
52:52
I have a path that fits me and that goes with.
52:57
Because I've been doing bone art and taxidermy art
53:01
for a while.
53:02
For me, that's a way of just sort of honoring life
53:06
and keeping the cycle going.
53:08
You're giving life and beauty to something that is dead and gone.
53:13
So it's keeping that transformation of that cycle going.
53:18
So I love that.
53:20
I love that.
53:21
I feel like I'm a total mix between the two of you.
53:25
Because I'm so interested in nature
53:28
about I'm also so interested in death.
53:30
But I feel like they totally go together.
53:33
It's 100%.
53:34
It's 100%.
53:35
It's that cycle.
53:36
Yeah, that's what I'm saying.
53:37
I feel like her and I like cover the whole spectrum.
53:41
I know.
53:41
And even our clothing choices, you're there all in life.
53:44
And I'm here in green.
53:45
That just cracks me up, man.
53:47
So there's something funny that I--
53:49
OK, I'll tell you about this because it's funny.
53:51
So I've kind of wanted a human skull
53:54
just for my collection for a long time.
53:57
They are very expensive.
53:59
Yes.
53:59
I'm always telling people, if you murder somebody,
54:02
do not let that go to waste.
54:04
So--
54:04
Right.
54:05
And then do you promise?
54:07
Do you promise?
54:07
We got that right.
54:08
We got you.
54:09
But recently, I don't know why it never occurred to me
54:13
that the human body has lots of other bones, obviously.
54:17
I mean, the skull is the coolest part.
54:18
And the most important.
54:21
But so I'm studying this stuff that I'm reading this book
54:26
called "The Bones Fall in a Spiral"
54:28
by Mortellis.
54:31
And so there's a thing in there where
54:33
you make what's called a skeleton key.
54:36
And it's to help you transverse different worlds,
54:40
like the underworld and the liminal spaces and things like that.
54:43
And she suggests getting a--
54:46
what does she call-- a metacarpal bone for this.
54:50
And I first thought that was a finger.
54:52
It's not a finger.
54:53
It's like this bone in your hand.
54:55
No.
54:56
OK.
54:57
And you carve a sigil on it and do some stuff.
54:59
And I was like, school, but I want a finger bone.
55:03
Because it's like, oh, wide.
55:06
Great.
55:07
And it never occurred to me in the past
55:09
that I could just buy a finger bone.
55:11
So I got a finger and I bought a carpal,
55:14
and I'm going to put them together.
55:15
And then of course, I'm going to rhinestone them
55:17
because I love things to be sparkly because they should.
55:20
And then I'm just going to carry it around.
55:22
And whenever I have to point at something,
55:25
I'm just going to pull it out and use it to point at things.
55:29
Oh my goodness.
55:29
I love it.
55:30
That's amazing.
55:31
That's amazing.
55:33
You should make like a little string so it can kind of move
55:36
a little bit.
55:37
Yes.
55:38
So you can be like, come here.
55:39
Come here.
55:39
Somebody told me I should turn it into like a stylus.
55:42
So I could be on my phone like with my finger bone.
55:45
Yes.
55:46
Yes.
55:48
That would be incredible.
55:49
So many things you can do.
55:51
I love it.
55:52
So many fun things you can do with bones.
55:55
So yeah.
55:55
So if anyone's listening, just know that I'm very weird,
55:59
and you cannot necessarily be weirder.
56:02
So if you feel like you are--
56:04
True.
56:04
Yeah.
56:05
I feel like they're pretty used to it around me.
56:07
I'm just so weird.
56:11
Letting out the whole point of a community like this
56:14
is that you can come as you are.
56:15
And you don't have to worry.
56:17
Nobody's going to give you the side eye and be like,
56:18
wow, that weird person over there.
56:20
Your farmer likely to get the side eye
56:22
if you show up in like a 3-piece suit
56:24
and you're like super stuffy normal.
56:26
Like we're going to be like, fuck you around with that guy.
56:28
Yeah, exactly.
56:29
What's the normie doing here?
56:31
What's up with that?
56:33
You have tourists in the building.
56:35
Yeah, exactly.
56:36
A tourist.
56:37
Exactly.
56:38
Have you heard the news of Drew and Drew?
56:40
Have you heard the news of Necro-Mancy?
56:42
Come sit with us.
56:43
We will tell you.
56:45
Do you ever have people who just--
56:48
I mean, it's probably dumb question--
56:50
but who just wander into the shop and not
56:53
know what it is?
56:54
Oh, yeah.
56:55
Like every day, every day.
56:57
Really?
56:58
Well, because the street that we're
57:01
is kind of like between a park and all the Oranco
57:05
apartment buildings.
57:07
So we get people who are going to the park, walk in their dog,
57:10
that sort of thing.
57:11
So yeah, all the time, especially in October,
57:14
we've had people coming in looking for costumes.
57:17
Yeah, because they think we're a Halloween shop.
57:21
Or-- and I've gotten a lot better to just flat out be like,
57:26
no, this is a witch store.
57:28
Yeah.
57:29
I think that if you're just opening up front,
57:33
it kind of dismisses any possible negativity
57:36
right off the bat.
57:39
So now that we get any, we really don't, but just in case.
57:43
But yeah, most people are just like, oh, OK.
57:46
They wander around.
57:47
They can appreciate that it's pretty.
57:49
The building is nice.
57:50
It's old.
57:50
We did a good job making it up.
57:54
But--
57:55
You did.
57:56
So they will be like, oh, yeah, this isn't for me.
57:58
But I love what you did with the place.
58:02
Oh, yeah.
58:04
That is so interesting to me, because I
58:05
thought for sure you'd be like, no, because the outside
58:08
of the building is--
58:10
it's kind of obvious what the place is.
58:14
But I guess during Halloween, they could just think, oh,
58:17
it's just decorated around.
58:18
For sure.
58:19
Right.
58:21
It's like a spirit Halloween outpost thing.
58:24
We just opened it up for one month a year.
58:27
That was a lot of work.
58:29
Exactly.
58:29
Oh, my God.
58:30
Seriously, yeah.
58:32
I did tell August though.
58:34
So we opened up October 1st last year.
58:38
So we didn't have a lot of time to decorate for Halloween
58:40
last year.
58:41
So this year, we got a whole bunch of stuff.
58:43
And I spent an entire month making Halloween decor and stuff
58:47
and putting it up.
58:50
And we spent quite a bit on it to his chagrin, of course.
58:53
But I'm like, you know?
58:56
And I'm like, you feel like this stuff for years.
58:59
I didn't really tell him that I plan on doing this every year
59:03
so that our collection grows.
59:06
Because I'm like, one day, we'll want to retire.
59:09
And that's when we can just set up the backyard
59:11
hot and people come through.
59:13
And we only have to work one month a year.
59:16
Exactly.
59:17
Because that's perfect.
59:19
Long term goals, you know?
59:21
Right.
59:22
Yeah.
59:23
You see the big picture.
59:24
He wants to like--
59:25
Yeah, right.
59:26
He wants to like retire to some like Norwegian country
59:30
that's freezing.
59:31
I don't know.
59:32
They don't even have Halloween over there.
59:34
No, you can say you're with me.
59:36
Can you live there like one month a year?
59:39
Right.
59:39
And retire there one month a year, exactly.
59:42
Right.
59:42
So you got married at the Witches Castle.
59:46
Or did you just take pictures there?
59:49
No, we actually got married there.
59:51
Yeah.
59:52
I think I was stalking your website.
59:53
And I was like, no way.
59:56
Because we did a story on that place.
59:58
It's haunted.
59:59
Oh, nice.
1:00:00
Yeah.
1:00:00
Awesome.
1:00:01
Yeah.
1:00:02
It was a little bit different than we expected.
1:00:05
I think it's got a lot of graffiti on it now.
1:00:08
Did one of the pictures online showed.
1:00:09
But yeah, it was still a beautiful place.
1:00:12
We did the whole--
1:00:15
we did a hand-fasting.
1:00:16
We were eloping.
1:00:17
We had just moved here.
1:00:18
So we didn't know anybody.
1:00:20
We literally had to pay the person who did the ceremony extra
1:00:25
to bring somebody to take pictures
1:00:27
and some people to be witnesses.
1:00:29
Because we didn't even have witnesses.
1:00:33
So yeah, so we did a whole circle on the ground.
1:00:38
We had her call in, the four directions,
1:00:41
and the ancestors, and all that.
1:00:43
I had it all set up there.
1:00:45
Yeah, we did the whole nine yards.
1:00:47
We did the jumping over the broom afterwards.
1:00:50
One of her family members was there
1:00:51
who kind of kept people out at least.
1:00:54
Because it's a kind of a tourist attraction.
1:00:56
Yeah, it's like a hiking trail, too.
1:00:58
Yeah.
1:00:58
Yeah.
1:00:59
So we did go earlier in the day.
1:01:01
But we had quite a few people just stop and watch.
1:01:04
And like--
1:01:04
I would.
1:01:05
That'd be so interesting.
1:01:07
So she at least kept them from coming
1:01:09
into the castle where we were doing our thing.
1:01:13
So that's so cool.
1:01:14
This is good.
1:01:15
Yeah.
1:01:16
What did you call it?
1:01:17
Hand-fasting.
1:01:18
That's just the type of ceremony that we do.
1:01:21
You hold hands and the officiant puts cords over your hand.
1:01:27
We had different colors that represented different things,
1:01:31
like gray for getting old together or stuff like that.
1:01:35
And so she would read through all those as she put the cord,
1:01:38
and then she tied it into a knot.
1:01:39
And that's like symbolizing the marriage part of it.
1:01:43
And we held our rings in our hands, too, under the knot,
1:01:47
and that's the thing.
1:01:48
So yeah.
1:01:49
Oh, that's so cool.
1:01:50
I've never seen a wedding like that before.
1:01:52
I would love to see something like that.
1:01:55
I don't want to get married.
1:01:56
But I want to witness it.
1:01:59
It seems we're going to be doing some here at the shop.
1:02:02
Oh, wow, really?
1:02:04
Yeah.
1:02:05
There's people who have asked--
1:02:07
Yeah.
1:02:07
--and we see those.
1:02:08
How do you officiate?
1:02:11
Yes, I am ordained.
1:02:12
I can do handfastings, all that kind of stuff.
1:02:15
So if you want to get married at the shop or in the backyard
1:02:18
or something like that, I can absolutely officiate them.
1:02:22
We did have a couple get married in our backyard
1:02:26
a while, like last year or something.
1:02:27
Oh, yeah.
1:02:28
Because they needed witnesses, too.
1:02:30
And so we'll be your witnesses if you need witnesses.
1:02:34
We know what it's like to not have any package deal.
1:02:38
Toast.
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Well, thank you guys so much for talking with me.
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This was so much fun.
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Great.
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Thank you.
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I'll have to come to one of the moon ceremonies
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because that just sounds like a blast.
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Absolutely.
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We have one coming up.
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Yes.
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Yeah.
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Ooh, win.
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Let's see.
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Full moon.
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Tuesday, I think.
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Yep.
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Tuesday at 7.30.
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Oh my gosh.
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I have Tuesdays off.
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It's like it's meant to be.
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OK, I'm going to do that.
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There you go.
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Let's take it like deathly ill or something.
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But come by.
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Come by.
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Yes.
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And we have it all decorated up for Krampmas right now.
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Oh, yes.
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I love that.
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I feel like we get more people who like the Krampmas
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than the cared about how--
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Really?
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Ironically.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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I like both.
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They're just not used to seeing spooky stuff at Christmas.
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Yeah.
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That makes sense.
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Besides your family shit, that's always very spooky, right?
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We definitely put some fanat hats and elf hats on the skeletons
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because it was too much fun.
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You should take down.
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That works.
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Great.
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Exactly.
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Awesome.
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Well, thank you so much.
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Yeah.
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And have a great rest of your weekend.
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And I hope I will see you Tuesday.
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Yes.
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Sorry, I have to burp.
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You're totally back.
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Thanks, giving me a--
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I hope you don't edit that for now.
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Yeah, seriously, I would leave that as--
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That is Thanksgiving right there, right?
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Like, totally.
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I just manifested the shit out of that.
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I swear, I have a response.
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It's just slightly stuck behind a bubble.
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