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- 0:04Speaker 1: All right, seven o'clock hour here from the Virginia Mason
- 0:06Speaker 1: Athletic Center, Seahawks training camp continuing here today and joining
- 0:10Speaker 1: us live at our set. Second year wide receiver out
- 0:14Speaker 1: of Colorad OH State teammate a splash last year with
- 0:18Speaker 1: this football team, and then we didn't get to see
- 0:20Speaker 1: him sadly enough for a little while, and so it's
- 0:22Speaker 1: time to get caught up to date with Tory Horton
- 0:25Speaker 1: here on the radio program. How you doing man, Welcome
- 0:27Speaker 1: to the morning show.
- 0:28Speaker 2: I'm doing great, man, appreciate you guys having me.
- 0:30Speaker 1: Yeah, great to have you. Great to get to know
- 0:33Speaker 1: you a little bit, and I would just start off.
- 0:36Speaker 1: I don't want to bury the lead. I know a
- 0:37Speaker 1: lot of people want to know about your health. Want
- 0:39Speaker 1: to make sure Tory Horton is one hundred percent ready
- 0:41Speaker 1: to go, So give us an update.
- 0:43Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, I'm feeling great. Body's feeling good. Everything
- 0:46Speaker 3: is feeling you know, in line and tack. So I
- 0:49Speaker 3: like the trans a great plan and you know, just
- 0:52Speaker 3: been following that plan. So I feel great out there
- 0:54Speaker 3: on the field and you know, just a lot of
- 0:56Speaker 3: hard work. So yeah, I'm feeling good, ready to go.
- 0:59Speaker 1: Good. Well, I know when the first day of camp
- 1:02Speaker 1: you became quite a big stories out here on the field,
- 1:04Speaker 1: he's practicing, and then the next day you didn't, and
- 1:07Speaker 1: then people are like, oh, then they're a little worried.
- 1:09Speaker 1: But that's part of the process, right, like your first
- 1:12Speaker 1: time out there for a while. They just that's part
- 1:14Speaker 1: of the rehab, is just to make sure they're not
- 1:17Speaker 1: pushing you too hard, give you that rest after an
- 1:20Speaker 1: active day. Is that is that accurate?
- 1:22Speaker 3: Yeah, it's just kind of a little bit of like
- 1:25Speaker 3: a repcount that they have going on, just making sure
- 1:29Speaker 3: they've been extra cautious of you know what, you know,
- 1:32Speaker 3: how much is too much and just seeing how the
- 1:34Speaker 3: body reacts and not fly strict and his staffs is
- 1:37Speaker 3: doing the you know, have a great plan for that,
- 1:39Speaker 3: and you know it's been working, and nobody's just been
- 1:42Speaker 3: feeling no real good and it just feels great going
- 1:46Speaker 3: into the season.
- 1:46Speaker 1: I mean, fans get frustrated when they don't get to
- 1:49Speaker 1: see a player play football, and sometimes they can be
- 1:52Speaker 1: mean and nasty and everything else. But give us the
- 1:55Speaker 1: perspective of where you're coming from, Like you don't think
- 1:58Speaker 1: I want to be out there on the football I mean,
- 2:01Speaker 1: you you at your in your college career, you had
- 2:04Speaker 1: a major injury set back and you didn't get to
- 2:06Speaker 1: do some of the things that I know you wanted
- 2:08Speaker 1: to achieve as a Colorado State ram and then you
- 2:11Speaker 1: make this great splash, this great impression, and then all
- 2:13Speaker 1: of a sudden you're battling another injury. How frustrating has
- 2:16Speaker 1: that been for you here over the course of the
- 2:18Speaker 1: last two three years of your life.
- 2:20Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, it's real hard.
- 2:21Speaker 3: You know, just uh, you know, all you want to
- 2:23Speaker 3: do is be on the field, you know, performing and play.
- 2:26Speaker 3: And you know the injury from you know Colorado, Uh
- 2:30Speaker 3: that was that was unfortunate, and you know sometimes you
- 2:34Speaker 3: just have to take your time to get back into
- 2:37Speaker 3: you know, into your full potential.
- 2:39Speaker 2: And you know, of course last year was a little
- 2:42Speaker 2: bit of a russ.
- 2:43Speaker 3: Getting back, so you know, who know that that could
- 2:45Speaker 3: have been, you know, a starting point to you know
- 2:48Speaker 3: the other injury that you know that popped up out
- 2:51Speaker 3: of nowhere, and uh, you know, I just feel like
- 2:53Speaker 3: you just got to be you know, sometimes real cautious
- 2:56Speaker 3: of how you approach things and be real smart and mentally,
- 2:59Speaker 3: you know, to on how you attack each day. Especially
- 3:02Speaker 3: for the recovery days and just having a good mindset
- 3:05Speaker 3: and mental uh, you know, going ahead of these things.
- 3:08Speaker 3: So uh, you know, it's such a bummer not being
- 3:11Speaker 3: out there performing, and you know.
- 3:15Speaker 2: I wouldn't want to, you know, be.
- 3:17Speaker 1: Sitting out Yeah, exactly.
- 3:18Speaker 3: Yeah, I understand how the fans do and know the
- 3:21Speaker 3: people in the outside the world feeling, but.
- 3:23Speaker 2: You know we feel the same way here. You know,
- 3:25Speaker 2: we wish we were on the field. So sure, it's
- 3:27Speaker 2: it's a lot of you know, it's a lot of
- 3:29Speaker 2: thoughts going through when you uh, not able to go
- 3:32Speaker 2: out there.
- 3:32Speaker 1: Yeah, Tory Horton is with US Seahawks wide receiver, second
- 3:35Speaker 1: year uh in the league, and look, I I will
- 3:38Speaker 1: get the hard knocks in a moment. But I heard
- 3:39Speaker 1: Spoons say on the first episode of Hard Knocks, like
- 3:43Speaker 1: when you get that first taste of confidence at the
- 3:47Speaker 1: professional level, it is so important. It unlocks something. You
- 3:51Speaker 1: not only got a taste of it. I mean you
- 3:53Speaker 1: showed last year I can play at this level, I
- 3:55Speaker 1: can score touchdowns, I can return kicks. What did that
- 3:59Speaker 1: do for your comment? Vidential as a football player to have,
- 4:02Speaker 1: even though it was for a shorter period of time,
- 4:03Speaker 1: than you preferred, but to have that much success that
- 4:07Speaker 1: reassured that you belong in this league and can be
- 4:10Speaker 1: a productive player.
- 4:11Speaker 3: Yeah, I just feel like you just gotta be consistent,
- 4:14Speaker 3: you know, just having that consistent approaching mindset to practices
- 4:17Speaker 3: and games.
- 4:18Speaker 2: And even in the meeting room.
- 4:20Speaker 3: I feel like that's what makes it easier on game days,
- 4:23Speaker 3: is just having that consistent approach, being on top of
- 4:27Speaker 3: the on top of the game, the plays and the
- 4:29Speaker 3: film work, and you know, taking that to the field
- 4:32Speaker 3: and with so much practice and how we practice here,
- 4:35Speaker 3: sometimes it makes the game feel you know, slowed down
- 4:38Speaker 3: just a tad bit just because of how you know
- 4:40Speaker 3: intense we go at practice.
- 4:42Speaker 2: And you know, I feel like I just.
- 4:44Speaker 3: Try to keep my mindset and my mental on being
- 4:47Speaker 3: consistent on each play and uh, you know, just each
- 4:51Speaker 3: situation and let that take take control throughout the game,
- 4:54Speaker 3: you know, not trying to you.
- 4:56Speaker 2: Know overdo or you know, change up something.
- 4:58Speaker 3: Just letting my preparation and you know, my just just
- 5:02Speaker 3: my hard work take you know, take that jump to
- 5:05Speaker 3: the to the game from practice, and you know, once
- 5:08Speaker 3: you get in there, I f like all the nerves
- 5:11Speaker 3: start to chill because it's like, hey, we've we've been
- 5:13Speaker 3: here before, We've practiced this before, and shoot, we had
- 5:16Speaker 3: one of the best defense in the league, the best
- 5:18Speaker 3: defense in the league. So it's like, you know, if
- 5:19Speaker 3: I'm out here competing against these guys every day, you know,
- 5:24Speaker 3: that's that's great looks for me going into you know,
- 5:27Speaker 3: the preseason into the regular season. You know, our defense practice,
- 5:31Speaker 3: you know, they practice the ass off every day and
- 5:32Speaker 3: it's it's tough looks and you know, I f like
- 5:35Speaker 3: Mike does a great job with the defense. So you know,
- 5:37Speaker 3: just going against them every day, it's like that iron
- 5:39Speaker 3: stop ands iron. So going into that preseason game day,
- 5:42Speaker 3: you kind of just got to take every you know,
- 5:44Speaker 3: just just every day that you've been preparing to the game,
- 5:47Speaker 3: and you know, just having that you know, that preparation
- 5:50Speaker 3: and just that consistent mindset going into the game, telling yourself,
- 5:54Speaker 3: you know, I've been here, I've seen these plays, I've
- 5:55Speaker 3: seen these kind of looks, and just laying your game
- 5:58Speaker 3: take over at that point.
- 5:59Speaker 1: But just spoon half talk as much as he does
- 6:01Speaker 1: on the football field, huh.
- 6:03Speaker 3: He you know he don't, but yeah, yeah, we we
- 6:07Speaker 3: we love that though. You know, he's a he's a
- 6:09Speaker 3: real competitor man. He gets everyone going. You know, he
- 6:13Speaker 3: talks trash to us. And then you know when when
- 6:16Speaker 3: he gets b r like something happens that you know,
- 6:19Speaker 3: we we get a good jump on him. You know,
- 6:21Speaker 3: he's not he's not afraid to be like you got
- 6:24Speaker 3: me on now when we're gonna strap up and we're
- 6:26Speaker 3: gonna get to the next rep.
- 6:27Speaker 2: And you know that's what you gotta love about him.
- 6:29Speaker 3: You know, he's gonna he's gonna be you know, he's
- 6:32Speaker 3: gonna he's gonna uh respect, respect the little l's that
- 6:36Speaker 3: he may take at practice and be like you know
- 6:38Speaker 3: that that that ain't no real l That's just a
- 6:40Speaker 3: learning curve for me because I did this or I
- 6:42Speaker 3: did that, and you know, just me coming in my
- 6:45Speaker 3: my rookie year, I went against him a few times
- 6:48Speaker 3: and it was even times where he was coaching me
- 6:50Speaker 3: up on you know, just certain indicators and things like
- 6:53Speaker 3: that on what he's looking for. And you know what
- 6:55Speaker 3: I MA gave gave a way to give him a
- 6:58Speaker 3: better edge and just something that you know, hearing from
- 7:01Speaker 3: a vet and just a guy like him, I try
- 7:04Speaker 3: to take from him and implement that into my game
- 7:06Speaker 3: to try to, you know, not show so much of
- 7:09Speaker 3: that of what a dB is looking for. And I
- 7:12Speaker 3: feel like he helps out a lot with you know,
- 7:15Speaker 3: just just great looks and disguises on defense, and you
- 7:18Speaker 3: know he's just all around competitor. So you know, going
- 7:21Speaker 3: against him, man, he's making everyone better and just a
- 7:24Speaker 3: trash talk. You know, you get a lot of trash
- 7:26Speaker 3: talk throughout the league. But yeah, I don't know if
- 7:30Speaker 3: anyone trash talks like Spoon. Man, he gets it going.
- 7:34Speaker 3: You know, he'll be he'll be quiet, he'll be quiet
- 7:38Speaker 3: through the day and then it'd be one little thing
- 7:40Speaker 3: that you may have did our our or try to
- 7:43Speaker 3: do on him, and there you go, he fired up,
- 7:45Speaker 3: and you know that's that's what get everyone going. So
- 7:48Speaker 3: you need someone like Spoon out there who's gonna, you know,
- 7:51Speaker 3: get you right mentally and physically. So yeah, it's it's all.
- 7:54Speaker 3: It's all kodles to him. Much respect for him.
- 7:56Speaker 1: Let's talk about another of your teammates, because we've heard
- 7:59Speaker 1: Jay sent and interviewed a lot about how much Cooper
- 8:02Speaker 1: Cupp has helped his game. But he's not the only
- 8:05Speaker 1: one out there. He's not the only receiver He's not
- 8:07Speaker 1: the only guy in the wide receiver room that I'm
- 8:09Speaker 1: sure Cooper Cupp is helping become as great a player
- 8:13Speaker 1: as they possibly can be. Talk about that because that
- 8:15Speaker 1: certainly has stood out a lot about his game.
- 8:18Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, just the way Coop approaches every day.
- 8:22Speaker 3: You know this is uh he he is that coach
- 8:26Speaker 3: on the field. You know, he he knows everything. Just
- 8:31Speaker 3: when Coop speaks, everyone is real quiet and everyone listens,
- 8:35Speaker 3: you know U And with the year Jack's had even
- 8:38Speaker 3: to this day, during camping things like that, it's when
- 8:41Speaker 3: Koop speaks, everyone is is is quiet in his all
- 8:45Speaker 3: ears because he just has so much knowledge and just
- 8:48Speaker 3: hitting nuggets in the game that that helps all the
- 8:51Speaker 3: receivers take their game to the next level, even if
- 8:54Speaker 3: it's from slight adjustments to just you know, looking at
- 8:59Speaker 3: a route from lead through his vision and eyes because
- 9:02Speaker 3: of a defense. You know, that's just something that you
- 9:04Speaker 3: want from a vet like that. And you know Jackson
- 9:08Speaker 3: is you know, Jackson has all the capability in the
- 9:11Speaker 3: world to go out there and perform, but he still
- 9:13Speaker 3: is that student of the game.
- 9:15Speaker 2: When when Coop is out there.
- 9:17Speaker 3: You know, coaching up or saying you know, hey, I'm
- 9:19Speaker 3: I probably would have did it like this with this
- 9:22Speaker 3: kind of look, and you could just tell how, you know,
- 9:25Speaker 3: in sync and just how like Spongy the whole receiver
- 9:28Speaker 3: room is when Coop is speaking that that life into
- 9:31Speaker 3: us and you know, you could see Coop out here
- 9:34Speaker 3: is still you know, with that mindset of him trying
- 9:37Speaker 3: to learn himself, just the way he's attacking the meetings
- 9:40Speaker 3: and things like that, like he's always still asking questions
- 9:44Speaker 3: and sometimes I'm in the meetings, like Coop Man, there's
- 9:47Speaker 3: no reason for you to be asking these questions because
- 9:49Speaker 3: we know you know this. And sometimes it's just him
- 9:53Speaker 3: asking that question for the other the other guys to hear,
- 9:56Speaker 3: because maybe it's some of the other rooks who don't
- 9:59Speaker 3: want to ask that question. But it's like Coop will
- 10:01Speaker 3: ask that, are you know, tell tell the coach can
- 10:03Speaker 3: he rehit that? For the other you know, for the
- 10:07Speaker 3: other players who's probably you know, a little more afraid
- 10:10Speaker 3: to ask those questions, and you just tell like he
- 10:13Speaker 3: he loves the game so much, and you know.
- 10:15Speaker 2: He comes out here and they ready to work.
- 10:17Speaker 3: He's still he's getting great plays left and right, and
- 10:20Speaker 3: you know it's a lot of it's a lot of
- 10:22Speaker 3: us receivers who still goes to Coop and Jackson. She
- 10:25Speaker 3: just asking them guys like, man, what's what y'all doing
- 10:27Speaker 3: on these plays? How y'all attacking this? And you know
- 10:30Speaker 3: what you feel like is working when you know it's
- 10:33Speaker 3: it's someone playing this kind of technique and you know
- 10:35Speaker 3: they give you every hit and nugget that you could
- 10:37Speaker 3: possibly ask for.
- 10:42Speaker 1: Soak up all that gravy. I mean, you might not
- 10:44Speaker 1: have another teammate like this, you know, get that knowledge now,
- 10:48Speaker 1: and then all of a sudden you pass that on
- 10:50Speaker 1: someday to the next rookie that is coming up. Hell,
- 10:53Speaker 1: I could use a Cooper Cup in my life. He
- 10:55Speaker 1: should just sit here and say, you know, you should
- 10:57Speaker 1: have probably talked about this. Oh yeah, And she will
- 11:00Speaker 1: on the Mariners. You know he will.
- 11:02Speaker 2: To man even last year, Man, we used to break
- 11:04Speaker 2: the huddle.
- 11:04Speaker 3: He used to tug me by my jersey, moving me,
- 11:07Speaker 3: move me into the right spot.
- 11:08Speaker 2: I'm like, dang, come here, He's like, no.
- 11:10Speaker 3: It's the it's the precise details of what you need
- 11:13Speaker 3: to be aligned and just things like that, and you
- 11:16Speaker 3: know that's just something that you don't really get from
- 11:18Speaker 3: you know, a lot of a lot of players invests,
- 11:20Speaker 3: and you know, I'm just just grateful to have him
- 11:23Speaker 3: in the room.
- 11:24Speaker 2: Man. He is like that golden nugget that every receiver
- 11:27Speaker 2: room should have or need.
- 11:29Speaker 1: I have a feeling it's in the cafeteria, like you
- 11:31Speaker 1: know what the salisbury steak was a little off. Uh,
- 11:34Speaker 1: maybe maybe you go a little light on their salt.
- 11:36Speaker 3: He is.
- 11:37Speaker 2: He is on top of his.
- 11:39Speaker 1: Peanut butter in there. I mean, we could really take
- 11:43Speaker 1: this to the next level. Uh. Well, man, have a
- 11:45Speaker 1: great year. Thanks for stopping by. It was fun talking
- 11:48Speaker 1: to you, and we'll do it again soon. I about that.
- 11:51Speaker 1: Appreciate you all right, Tory Harton joining us right here
- 11:54Speaker 1: on our set Seahawks training camp. Yeah, great conversation here
- 11:58Speaker 1: with Tory Horton. Not a thousand more questions for him,
- 12:01Speaker 1: but the guy's got to get the practice for goodness sake,
- 12:03Speaker 1: and so we appreciate him to stop it by here
- 12:06Speaker 1: and joining us here on the morning show. So wide
- 12:09Speaker 1: receiver situation the wide Receiver room really good one. And
- 12:14Speaker 1: it's a topic that I don't know if other shows
- 12:16Speaker 1: other analysts are bringing up as much as I am,
- 12:21Speaker 1: but yeah, I do believe that there is a bigger
- 12:25Speaker 1: role out there for Tory Horton. But I also, as
- 12:28Speaker 1: I've repeated many times, I think there's a bigger role
- 12:30Speaker 1: out there for Aj Barner, and I think that there's
- 12:33Speaker 1: a bigger role out there for Edwin Royo, and I
- 12:36Speaker 1: think that there's or excuse me, Elijah Royo, I think
- 12:39Speaker 1: that there's a bigger role out there. It sounds like
- 12:43Speaker 1: for running backs in the passing game. And yet I
- 12:46Speaker 1: don't want Cooper Cup's numbers to drop. I think there might.
- 12:50Speaker 1: I mean, the talk around here is the Cooper Cup
- 12:52Speaker 1: looks fantastic, like better than he did a year ago
- 12:56Speaker 1: at this time, not as a leader, not as a
- 12:58Speaker 1: coach on the feet, but as a football player. And
- 13:02Speaker 1: then you ad JSN, who I guess two days ago
- 13:04Speaker 1: just dominated practice. So something sort of has to give
- 13:09Speaker 1: in all of this. I don't think that this team
- 13:12Speaker 1: under Brian Flurry is planning to go to a forty
- 13:16Speaker 1: pass attack kind of game playing this upcoming season to
- 13:21Speaker 1: try to keep everybody satisfied. I mean, not all of
- 13:25Speaker 1: these things can improve, not all of these things can grow.
- 13:28Speaker 1: Not all of these players are going to get more
- 13:32Speaker 1: targets and more looks than what they did a year ago.
- 13:35Speaker 1: It's got to come from somewhere, and I can't wait.
- 13:38Speaker 1: And then you got Rashichia heat of course, seventeen million dollars.
- 13:41Speaker 1: You're not planning on him just being a kick returner.
- 13:43Speaker 4: What is his role?
- 13:44Speaker 1: How is it going to get expanded now that he's
- 13:45Speaker 1: had a full offseason in the program? I mean, I
- 13:48Speaker 1: think it's one of the most fascinating, if not the
- 13:50Speaker 1: most fascinating topic on how this is going to unfold
- 13:55Speaker 1: for the offense. Obviously, the math suggests if you're going
- 14:01Speaker 1: to get X, Y, and Z more targets, then you're
- 14:05Speaker 1: going to have to subtract them from V and W.
- 14:09Speaker 1: And so who are those V and W? I mean,
- 14:11Speaker 1: the obvious person would be JSN with one hundred and
- 14:16Speaker 1: twenty catches for goodness sake a year ago. But as
- 14:19Speaker 1: I spoke with Greg Bell about yesterday, that's also your
- 14:24Speaker 1: best wide receiver and the guy with the best chemistry
- 14:27Speaker 1: with your quarterback. And I know that if I mean,
- 14:32Speaker 1: I know enough about.
- 14:33Speaker 4: This game, I'll not to be Hugh Millen to be able.
- 14:36Speaker 1: To tell you that if a quarterback drops back and
- 14:41Speaker 1: things are tight he's going to go to a security blanket.
- 14:44Speaker 1: He's going to be Linus with that security blanket, and
- 14:46Speaker 1: Linus being Sam that security blanket. Where's number eleven in
- 14:51Speaker 1: this organization?
- 14:52Speaker 4: And so I don't think that's going to change either.
- 14:56Speaker 2: I would assume.
- 14:57Speaker 3: So.
- 14:57Speaker 1: Yeah, mathematically it sounds like, well, if you're going to
- 15:01Speaker 1: find other catches and targets for everybody else, well then
- 15:04Speaker 1: they got to come away from the guy that had
- 15:06Speaker 1: one hundred and twenty catches and one hundred and sixty
- 15:09Speaker 1: targets a year ago. But I don't think that that
- 15:13Speaker 1: is one plus one equals to Ashley. I mean, he's
- 15:17Speaker 1: still our best receiver. I still want him to get
- 15:19Speaker 1: the ball a lot, and when it's crunch time, it's
- 15:23Speaker 1: a crucial situation. It's a third and six. I have
- 15:26Speaker 1: a feeling Sam Darnold, no matter what the game plan is,
- 15:29Speaker 1: no matter what the idea was in the offseason to
- 15:31Speaker 1: get such X player or why player more catches, he's
- 15:35Speaker 1: gonna throw to number eleven because he knows he's the
- 15:38Speaker 1: most reliable freak on the universe.
- 15:40Speaker 5: Yeah, and I think going into last year we would
- 15:42Speaker 5: have said like, oh yeah, we could see them spreading
- 15:44Speaker 5: the ball around more and more. But after the season
- 15:46Speaker 5: that JSN had and now the expectations being even higher,
- 15:49Speaker 5: I think in general, for what he can deliver and
- 15:52Speaker 5: what Sam and him can deliver together, I wouldn't expect
- 15:55Speaker 5: Sam to be throwing to anyone else. I mean, I
- 15:57Speaker 5: know in the game, but I'm saying in those and
- 16:00Speaker 5: those big moments, like what you're saying, I don't, I wouldn't.
- 16:03Speaker 4: I would.
- 16:04Speaker 5: I think they will because they're going to surprise us,
- 16:07Speaker 5: and you know what, you never know what Brian Fleury
- 16:08Speaker 5: has up his sleeve, and obviously the offense. You know,
- 16:11Speaker 5: we've got a lot of talented players, and I think
- 16:13Speaker 5: every team is going to expect that he'd be throwing
- 16:15Speaker 5: to JSN. So I'm sure we'll see some surprises, but
- 16:18Speaker 5: I would assume that's always going to be first look.
- 16:20Speaker 1: I well, if not first look, certainly first in mind,
- 16:26Speaker 1: Like I know, I'm I need a play. I'm gonna
- 16:30Speaker 1: see if Eleven's open, and he's almost always open, So
- 16:34Speaker 1: why would I throw to someone else? And they might
- 16:38Speaker 1: be having conversations as a team in the wide receiver
- 16:42Speaker 1: room in the quarterback room about like I think we
- 16:44Speaker 1: can be more complete if we do spread the ball
- 16:47Speaker 1: around to more people. But I have a failing Chsn's like, well, oh,
- 16:51Speaker 1: I think we were pretty complete last year. Yeah, well
- 16:54Speaker 1: we won the Super Bowl Offensive Player.
- 16:57Speaker 4: Of the Year.
- 16:57Speaker 1: Over here. Hey, hey, everybody, I don't need to catch
- 17:01Speaker 1: fewer I don't think it's necessary that I catch fewer
- 17:04Speaker 1: balls than what I caught a year ago. So you know,
- 17:08Speaker 1: you can give a Michael Jordan's speech about how, hey,
- 17:12Speaker 1: Michael Jordan, he didn't become a champion until he learned
- 17:15Speaker 1: that everybody else has to become involved in the offense. Well,
- 17:21Speaker 1: Jsn's argument to that is, I'm not saying I'm Michael Jordan,
- 17:25Speaker 1: but we won a Super Bowl. We've already become a
- 17:27Speaker 1: champion doing it this way. So ah, I'm not trying
- 17:30Speaker 1: to take food out of my teammates' mouths, but I
- 17:34Speaker 1: don't think the solution is to take it out of mine.
- 17:38Speaker 1: When it worked as well as it did a year ago.
- 17:40Speaker 1: If it happens, it happens. I mean, JSN had plenty
- 17:43Speaker 1: of games last year where maybe he had three, well,
- 17:45Speaker 1: not plenty. He had a couple where he had three
- 17:48Speaker 1: four catches and was asked about that afterwards. And he said,
- 17:51Speaker 1: I don't care we won the football game. I know
- 17:53Speaker 1: that's the way he operates. But I'll tell you this.
- 17:56Speaker 1: If I'm JSN and you're trying to get the ball
- 17:59Speaker 1: to other guys and you lose a game, I think,
- 18:03Speaker 1: maybe not to the media, but maybe I behind closed
- 18:06Speaker 1: doors say hey, you know what, we don't have to
- 18:08Speaker 1: get the ball to other guys. I mean you, we
- 18:12Speaker 1: did pretty well getting the ball to me, so let's
- 18:16Speaker 1: not hurt the offense just because we're trying to make
- 18:19Speaker 1: a point of feeding the rock to others. I'm not
- 18:24Speaker 1: saying I'm Michael Jordan, but get you still get Michael
- 18:28Speaker 1: Jordan the ball when the game is on the line. Yes,
- 18:31Speaker 1: he still got the ball every time down the court.
- 18:34Speaker 1: So you know, you don't have to give me fewer
- 18:36Speaker 1: catches this upcoming season. That's how I'd feel if I
- 18:39Speaker 1: were him, you know, I would agree. I would.
- 18:41Speaker 5: I would absolutely agree with that.
- 18:43Speaker 1: All right, ABC's of the m's coming your way next.
- 18:45Speaker 1: Sports Radio ninety three point three kJ RFM. Just let
- 18:48Speaker 1: it be our guide. We left off yesterday at the
- 18:51Speaker 1: letter m M is for MVP. Tonight against the Tampa
- 18:56Speaker 1: Bay Rays, We're going up against Junior camon who is
- 19:01Speaker 1: right there in the MVP conversation in the American League,
- 19:05Speaker 1: it's probably either he or Jordan Alvarez. That's probably your
- 19:10Speaker 1: top two candidates at this point. And unfortunately, both the
- 19:13Speaker 1: Rays and the Astros, if the season ended today are
- 19:16Speaker 1: a playoff team, so that'd be quite a vote. But
- 19:19Speaker 1: Camonaro with ridiculous power. We faced him just a couple
- 19:22Speaker 1: of weeks ago. We know how dangerous he is, and
- 19:25Speaker 1: so that is going to be a crucial matchup tonight
- 19:28Speaker 1: for Logan Gilbert and throughout the weekend. Yep, we are
- 19:31Speaker 1: facing basically the guy, one of the two guys primarily
- 19:36Speaker 1: in the American League MVP conversation. But I also bring
- 19:39Speaker 1: this up for another reason. The National League MVP conversation
- 19:43Speaker 1: really started to heat up this week. Show A Otani
- 19:47Speaker 1: versus PCA Pete crow Armstrong of the Chicago Cubs. They
- 19:51Speaker 1: faced off against one another a little bit earlier this week,
- 19:54Speaker 1: and Pete crow Armstrong and show A both hit two
- 19:58Speaker 1: home runs in the con test and it kind of
- 20:02Speaker 1: launched this conversation throughout the course of the week as
- 20:06Speaker 1: to how we're going to measure these two against one another.
- 20:10Speaker 1: If they keep up this pace. Because show Hey got
- 20:13Speaker 1: back to pitching this year, and even though he hasn't
- 20:16Speaker 1: pitched a lot, he's only pitched I think, eighty five
- 20:18Speaker 1: innings and fourteen starts this year, and right now his
- 20:21Speaker 1: pitching game is on the shelf. He still has pitched,
- 20:25Speaker 1: which Pete crow Armstrong is not going to get to
- 20:27Speaker 1: pitch this year, and so Pete crow Armstrong's resume, though
- 20:32Speaker 1: it is a little bit differently, and to me, I
- 20:35Speaker 1: think that there's.
- 20:36Speaker 4: A very easy way for a voter.
- 20:40Speaker 1: I'm not saying to come up with the conclusion, but
- 20:42Speaker 1: this is what you have to measure, and this is
- 20:44Speaker 1: what I think I'm missing from the MVP conversations that
- 20:47Speaker 1: are being held in the National League this week, and
- 20:50Speaker 1: that is it's very simple. The offensive numbers are pretty
- 20:53Speaker 1: similar across the board. So it really comes down to
- 20:57Speaker 1: what do you think is more valuable starting pitcher who's
- 21:01Speaker 1: made fourteen starts this year but hasn't really been available
- 21:05Speaker 1: to his team versus, you know, for the entire season
- 21:09Speaker 1: as a pitcher, versus a Gold Glove maybe the best
- 21:14Speaker 1: defensive player in Major League Baseball playing every day. And
- 21:19Speaker 1: if that sounded slanted, like I'm leaning toward PCA, then
- 21:22Speaker 1: I'm really not. I think that, but that is the
- 21:26Speaker 1: crux of the conversation. That is how I think this
- 21:28Speaker 1: is ultimately going to be decided, and we have two
- 21:31Speaker 1: more months of baseball to decide it. But that's that's
- 21:35Speaker 1: how you're going to have to weigh it. What's more
- 21:36Speaker 1: valuable a Gold Glove centerfielder that's playing every day and
- 21:40Speaker 1: contributing that to his playoff caliber team or a guy
- 21:45Speaker 1: that freakishly not only is one of the best hitters
- 21:48Speaker 1: in the sport but also one of the best pitchers
- 21:50Speaker 1: in the sport when he's available. So that's what the
- 21:55Speaker 1: voters are going to have to measure, and is for
- 21:58Speaker 1: not there, as in Dan Wilson was not there yesterday.
- 22:03Speaker 1: So I suppose we can't blame eleven to nothing on
- 22:06Speaker 1: Dan Wilson yesterday if he was not there. And yet
- 22:09Speaker 1: can we because obviously this is a team that, you know,
- 22:14Speaker 1: where is that consistent play, where's that consistent fire? And
- 22:20Speaker 1: if they can't drum it up on their own, why
- 22:22Speaker 1: is the coaching staff not drumming it up? As you know,
- 22:26Speaker 1: as everybody knows coming out of the All Star break,
- 22:29Speaker 1: I called for Dan Wilson's job right out of the
- 22:31Speaker 1: All Star break. I did not get my way. They
- 22:35Speaker 1: did not listen to me. He is still the manager,
- 22:37Speaker 1: and I'm assuming he's going to be at least through
- 22:41Speaker 1: this weekend when he's named one of the top fifty
- 22:43Speaker 1: players in Mariner history. But it will be interesting to
- 22:48Speaker 1: see if this team continues to stumble, if they'll try
- 22:52Speaker 1: to save it with a managerial change. Ashley Scott Servis
- 22:57Speaker 1: was fired on the twenty second of August, so we
- 23:00Speaker 1: are still two weeks away from the moment that they
- 23:04Speaker 1: chose to fire Scott's service and then under Dan Wilson,
- 23:09Speaker 1: a new voice, a new leader, the team rallied and
- 23:13Speaker 1: missed the playoffs by one game. I don't think it's
- 23:17Speaker 1: too late to make this decision, and it could end
- 23:20Speaker 1: up saving the season, although I doubt that they're going to. Yeah.
- 23:25Speaker 5: I mean, we've got a lot of texts of people
- 23:26Speaker 5: who are like, they're just waiting till after the fiftieth celebrations,
- 23:29Speaker 5: So there are a lot of people in that boat
- 23:31Speaker 5: that think that they couldn't do it and then have
- 23:33Speaker 5: him back for the fiftieth celebration, which I agree would
- 23:35Speaker 5: be super awkward. Do I think that's a reason to
- 23:38Speaker 5: keep a manager. No, But I also am not surprised
- 23:41Speaker 5: by it, So I wouldn't be surprised if the weekend ends.
- 23:45Speaker 5: If I mean, if they sweep the Rays, I don't
- 23:48Speaker 5: think it'll happen, But if they have a bad weekend,
- 23:51Speaker 5: I could see it.
- 23:53Speaker 1: I don't I totally agree with your point. I think
- 23:58Speaker 1: you could and maybe and I obviously this come from me,
- 24:01Speaker 1: though I think you should. I don't think they will.
- 24:06Speaker 1: But will they make the move in the offseason because
- 24:09Speaker 1: some people believe that he's just locked in until he
- 24:13Speaker 1: doesn't want to do it anymore because of his value
- 24:16Speaker 1: within the organization. Hey there's Mike, there's coach, coach McDonald
- 24:19Speaker 1: walk into the field. Yeah. Yeah, And so maybe they
- 24:25Speaker 1: wait to the offseason. Larry Stone just said on Softy
- 24:27Speaker 1: Show earlier this week, if they don't make the playoffs,
- 24:30Speaker 1: he doesn't see how they could bring Dan Wilson back
- 24:33Speaker 1: next year. Jerry Brewer yesterday on the Softy and Fame
- 24:37Speaker 1: radio program went even further. He said, if the eighth
- 24:41Speaker 1: best manager, not even the best manager, the eighth best manager,
- 24:45Speaker 1: I just think he just picked a random number and
- 24:48Speaker 1: Baseball was managing this team, they'd be in first place.
- 24:52Speaker 4: It was a bold statement, a great statement. I'd take
- 24:56Speaker 4: it further. I think the eighty eighth.
- 25:00Speaker 1: I mean, there are more than eight managers in baseball,
- 25:05Speaker 1: some of them not even in the job, that are
- 25:08Speaker 1: better at Dan Wilson at managing a Major League Baseball team.
- 25:11Speaker 1: I mean, there are guys out there that are better.
- 25:14Speaker 1: You just gotta find that guy. There are coaches out
- 25:17Speaker 1: there that would have done a better job with this
- 25:19Speaker 1: team than what he's done. And there are a lot
- 25:22Speaker 1: more than just eight of the active managers in Major
- 25:25Speaker 1: League Baseball. I mean there's thirty eight, forty eight, fifty eight,
- 25:28Speaker 1: eighty eight. Like I said, there are a lot of
- 25:30Speaker 1: guys that I think would have gotten the job done
- 25:32Speaker 1: better this year and would have this team in first
- 25:35Speaker 1: place this year. And then I would add on to
- 25:38Speaker 1: that that something that I think that might be considered
- 25:42Speaker 1: by this team. I think you could go out and
- 25:45Speaker 1: get Kevin Cash from the Tampa Bay Race who were
- 25:49Speaker 1: facing this weekend. Kevin Cash, who's considered one of the best,
- 25:53Speaker 1: and he's an analytics guy, and he's also a player
- 25:56Speaker 1: friendly guy, and yet his.
- 25:58Speaker 4: Teams always seem to produce, do they not?
- 26:01Speaker 1: And he is young, and he's funny, and he's got
- 26:05Speaker 1: a great personality, and he's got a lot going for him.
- 26:08Speaker 1: I mean he's sort of the he's like one of
- 26:10Speaker 1: the two or three, like one of the most. Stephen
- 26:14Speaker 1: Vote is another one that we let get out of
- 26:16Speaker 1: our our way, out of our organization. I mean, I'd
- 26:19Speaker 1: be willing to trade a player. I'm willing to go
- 26:22Speaker 1: Randy Win for Loop Panella on bringing in a Kevin
- 26:28Speaker 1: Cash or a Steven Vote. Don't sit around and wait
- 26:31Speaker 1: for them to like, uh, try to attract a guy
- 26:37Speaker 1: you know to your organization. Go hand pick the best
- 26:41Speaker 1: guy who I think would come here and take this
- 26:44Speaker 1: pitching staff and take this young nucleus. I think I
- 26:48Speaker 1: think Kevin Cash would run to Seattle, uh to manage
- 26:51Speaker 1: this team. Now, I don't know him personally. Maybe I'm
- 26:53Speaker 1: maybe I'm way out on left field on this, but
- 26:56Speaker 1: I would consider it. I'd deeply consider it this offseason.
- 27:00Speaker 1: If you don't want to waste a group that you
- 27:03Speaker 1: think is incredibly talented and should be competing for championships
- 27:07Speaker 1: right now and yet are four games under five hundred.
- 27:09Speaker 1: If you are Justin and Jerry and John, and you
- 27:12Speaker 1: don't want to waste this group, this nucleus, this foundation
- 27:17Speaker 1: in its championship window. Then go out and force the issue.
- 27:21Speaker 1: Go get one of the elite managers out there, and
- 27:25Speaker 1: let's see what Kevin Cash can do with this roster
- 27:27Speaker 1: next year. Okay, yeah, I mean you can't get him now, I.
- 27:31Speaker 5: Know, but I'm gonna put my hands in and we're
- 27:33Speaker 5: all gonna break and say.
- 27:34Speaker 4: Cash, Yeah, yeah, I mean, let's do it.
- 27:36Speaker 1: Yeah, he's he's got a job now and he's gonna
- 27:39Speaker 1: see that through the end. But this offseason, why not
- 27:42Speaker 1: finally os for offense? And you know, I can sit
- 27:45Speaker 1: here and talk about Dan and I'm and not be
- 27:49Speaker 1: impressed with him as a manager and an inspirer of men.
- 27:54Speaker 1: But I will say he is not the problem. He
- 27:58Speaker 1: is not the biggest problem. It is the offense. But
- 28:03Speaker 1: once you but but I will say, you can't fire
- 28:05Speaker 1: the entire offense. Uh.
- 28:08Speaker 4: Some people would want to, And.
- 28:11Speaker 1: So I do kind of blame I certainly blame the
- 28:14Speaker 1: manager more than I do the front office.
- 28:17Speaker 2: Uh.
- 28:17Speaker 1: And so I would say it is part of his responsibility.
- 28:22Speaker 1: If you've been this lackluster for four months, and you
- 28:25Speaker 1: know you have the talent to be better than this.
- 28:28Speaker 1: That it is sort of it does sort of fall
- 28:31Speaker 1: at your feet that your job is to make your
- 28:35Speaker 1: team better than what there they should be. That's your job.
- 28:40Speaker 1: That's a manager's job. Give me whatever talent you want,
- 28:43Speaker 1: and my job is to make it better. Well, we've
- 28:46Speaker 1: obviously grossly underachieved this year as a team, and certainly
- 28:49Speaker 1: on offense. So I certainly think that it does some
- 28:52Speaker 1: of the responsibility lands with the manager for how inconsistently
- 28:56Speaker 1: this offense has uh has performed, and certainly some of
- 29:00Speaker 1: it lands on Sitzer and Edgar Martinez as well in
- 29:05Speaker 1: all of this, but we've got to get the offense going.
- 29:08Speaker 1: And I would just say this, he was on the
- 29:10Speaker 1: job one day as manager, but Manny Acta, I appreciated
- 29:14Speaker 1: him Ashley in his postgame comments yesterday pretty much just
- 29:19Speaker 1: calling out the offense for not showing up because that's
- 29:21Speaker 1: the first time that's happened in two and a half years.
- 29:24Speaker 5: Yeah, it was really refreshing.
- 29:25Speaker 1: Yeah, So thank you, Manny. We appreciate it.
- 29:28Speaker 5: All.
- 29:28Speaker 1: Right. Coming up next on the program, it is time
- 29:31Speaker 1: for Sup with you here on the radio show Sports
- 29:35Speaker 1: Radio ninety three point three kha RFM.
- 29:37Speaker 5: No, that's four none blondes.
- 29:38Speaker 2: That's right.
- 29:38Speaker 5: I was like, snead O'Connors is not alive anymore.
- 29:40Speaker 1: But the blondes are? Are they? I don't even know
- 29:43Speaker 1: there's four of these.
- 29:44Speaker 5: At least three of them have to be.
- 29:46Speaker 1: You would think one of them is alive. Odds are anyway,
- 29:50Speaker 1: Ocho's coming out at the top of the hour, your
- 29:52Speaker 1: eight Top stories of the day. We do it every Friday.
- 29:54Speaker 1: Also Greg Bell for those that were like, hey, why
- 29:56Speaker 1: is Tory Orton and Greg Bell's spot because Tory Horton's
- 29:59Speaker 1: a little rude Number one and number two. Greg is very
- 30:05Speaker 1: amenable to moving around on our show. But we will
- 30:08Speaker 1: have them on today at eight thirty get his thoughts
- 30:11Speaker 1: from the latest training camp as we get ready for
- 30:14Speaker 1: another day out here. But we got a big weekend
- 30:17Speaker 1: for the Mariners. I'll be honest, I've been I've admittedly
- 30:23Speaker 1: not discussed this a lot, and I know it's a
- 30:27Speaker 1: big deal and we're going to get into it a
- 30:29Speaker 1: little bit later on in the show as to why.
- 30:32Speaker 1: But I'm really not taking a shot at the Mariners
- 30:38Speaker 1: in today's sup with You question. I just think it
- 30:41Speaker 1: would be fun. Considering what's going on here this weekend.
- 30:45Speaker 1: They're doing the top fifty players, and I mean it's
- 30:49Speaker 1: great they had to have a fifty birthday bash. Unfortunately
- 30:52Speaker 1: it times out with where the frustration with the fan
- 30:56Speaker 1: base with the way the team's playing could not be higher.
- 30:59Speaker 1: But I get why they're doing it. I think it
- 31:01Speaker 1: will be a good event. I think you should, as
- 31:04Speaker 1: a Mariner fan, put it aside. If you're going to
- 31:07Speaker 1: the game and just enjoyed, enjoy seeing the fifty top Mariners,
- 31:11Speaker 1: have a great time with it, enjoy the home run
- 31:13Speaker 1: derby tonight as well, if you're going to tonight's game. Yes,
- 31:19Speaker 1: I think these are both wonderful ideas, and I think
- 31:21Speaker 1: they're gonna be wonderful ceremonies, There's no question about it.
- 31:27Speaker 4: But but.
- 31:31Speaker 1: We gonna have fun with it too, can we not.
- 31:33Speaker 1: I mean, there's a little bit of frustration, so maybe
- 31:35Speaker 1: this is a little agitation from me seeping into the show.
- 31:41Speaker 1: But if we're gonna honor the fifty greatest Mariners of
- 31:44Speaker 1: all time over the weekend, then why not have a
- 31:47Speaker 1: sup with you question of who's the worst Mariner of
- 31:51Speaker 1: all time?
- 31:54Speaker 5: People are gonna be like, oh, where do I start?
- 31:57Speaker 1: And you know, I'm not gonna technically put together a
- 32:01Speaker 1: worst fifty Mariners of all time, But if we get
- 32:06Speaker 1: enough individual suggestions, Ashley, we might end up being able
- 32:13Speaker 1: to put together a worst fifties list, you know, just
- 32:17Speaker 1: to keep it somewhere in a vault, maybe not release it,
- 32:21Speaker 1: but keep it in a vault somewhere.
- 32:22Speaker 4: But if we just start with just who is that.
- 32:26Speaker 1: Mariner in your Mariner lifetime that you have decided that's
- 32:31Speaker 1: the worst Mariner of my entire life? Who is it?
- 32:35Speaker 5: That is a great question. That's a great question. There's
- 32:38Speaker 5: certain people that pop into my mind. I'm like, oh,
- 32:40Speaker 5: Sean Figgins, because I remember every time he opened his mouth,
- 32:42Speaker 5: I'd get so angry.
- 32:43Speaker 2: Because oh, he's.
- 32:45Speaker 1: Certainly the I think in the conversation for the most disliked.
- 32:48Speaker 5: He's the reason people hate the phrase it's early. I'm
- 32:51Speaker 5: sure of it.
- 32:52Speaker 4: Oh really he's got to.
- 32:53Speaker 5: Be, yeah, because it was like the Mariners were got awful,
- 32:56Speaker 5: he's a well, it's early. It's like you can't be
- 32:59Speaker 5: dismissed that bro, You just can't. But that's why people.
- 33:03Speaker 1: Did not know that. I actually did not know that
- 33:05Speaker 1: that was attached to him.
- 33:06Speaker 2: It is.
- 33:08Speaker 1: I just thought he was like an underperforming turd who
- 33:10Speaker 1: then acted like he didn't care that he.
- 33:12Speaker 5: Was under well, and that is what he was. And
- 33:14Speaker 5: then his response to why he was under performing was
- 33:17Speaker 5: it's early.
- 33:18Speaker 1: Hey. And look, if that's your description for you know,
- 33:22Speaker 1: the worst Mariner in fifty years, if you if it's honestly,
- 33:27Speaker 1: if it's somebody that just like, maybe they weren't the
- 33:29Speaker 1: worst player, but as far as I was concerned, that's
- 33:32Speaker 1: the worst Mariner. It can go, right, Ashley, beyond just
- 33:35Speaker 1: how poorly they played. It could be how poorly they
- 33:38Speaker 1: represented the organization, how poorly they treated fans, so, how
- 33:42Speaker 1: poorly so whatever your description is for the worst.
- 33:46Speaker 4: Mariner of all time, you're on your own.
- 33:49Speaker 1: You write your own editorial. You can use the talkback
- 33:54Speaker 1: feature so you can chat with us there and record
- 33:57Speaker 1: something for us. We'll also take your text at for now,
- 34:01Speaker 1: I'm not on YouTube right now, but Ashley is. So
- 34:04Speaker 1: if you're watching Ashley on our YouTube show and you
- 34:07Speaker 1: want to weigh in that way, you can do that
- 34:09Speaker 1: as well. But we can, I'm sure stir up a
- 34:14Speaker 1: few suggestions for worst Mariner of all time, don't you think.
- 34:18Speaker 5: Oh yeah, first text we got though, by the way,
- 34:20Speaker 5: from Eric Sean Siggins. Please the leader in the clubhouse
- 34:24Speaker 5: right now. Not a leader you want to be, but
- 34:26Speaker 5: there you go.
- 34:27Speaker 1: I just had a lovely woman just walked by our set,
- 34:31Speaker 1: as I said it, and she's got a seahawk visor on.
- 34:33Speaker 1: She's getting ready for training camp. And she looked at
- 34:35Speaker 1: me when I said, we have time to do the
- 34:38Speaker 1: worst Mariner, don't we, And she just looked at me
- 34:40Speaker 1: and pointed and nodded, You do, dude, like you do.
- 34:44Speaker 1: You've got you better set aside some more time for this,
- 34:47Speaker 1: I think was the look that I was just given.
- 34:49Speaker 4: So all right, let it rip four nine four five one.
- 34:53Speaker 1: We'll squeeze him in where we can throughout our last
- 34:55Speaker 1: two hours here together, we'll have a s Up with
- 34:58Speaker 1: You segment at eight forty today, we'll roll it into
- 35:01Speaker 1: nine o'clock and more so, let's hear from you who,
- 35:05Speaker 1: in your opinion, was the worst Mariner of all time?
- 35:09Speaker 1: But coming up next your oho your top eight stories
- 35:12Speaker 1: of the day. On Sports Radio ninety three point three
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