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Almost Famous OGs: The Butterfly Effect with Jason Mesnick · The Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous Podcast

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  Speaker 1: This is the almost famous podcast with I Heart Radio. Hey,
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  Speaker 1: miss suttern name, that was a little delayed. Yes, my love,
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  Speaker 1: I'm still getting over my coughing fit from laughing too
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  Speaker 1: hard about it, That's what she said comment. So yeah, hey, yes,
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  Speaker 1: well you know, we'll say that one. We'll bring that
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  Speaker 1: out later. We were talking about the microphone bulges that
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  Speaker 1: we both you know, moderate the bulge, so to speak.
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  Speaker 1: But anyway, just you know, we're here almost famous the
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  Speaker 1: ogs and I am fresh off the bus. The bus.
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  Speaker 1: I just got back from Florida, which I needed it. Man,
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  Speaker 1: I'm living in the Midwest. I needed a break. I
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  Speaker 1: hear you. I just got back from Mexico and then
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  Speaker 1: Miami right before that, so I I hear your pain.
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  Speaker 1: We had a blizzard. I had the drive I had
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  Speaker 1: to drive through on the way. It took some people
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  Speaker 1: were usually takes two hours to get to Denver. It
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  Speaker 1: took them seven hours. Oh um, Jesus, Yeah, that's not fun. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: we're Jesus. There's some weather going on. Guys, there's some
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  Speaker 1: weather going on about that. But yeah, we are. I'm excited.
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  Speaker 1: We had we had the other half of the Jason Mesnick.
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  Speaker 1: So now we get to talk to the Jason Mesnick. Yes,
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  Speaker 1: the man, the myth, the stars, the man, the myth,
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  Speaker 1: the realtor, the lumberjack, the mountain man. Jason. Yeah, Messi Mesnick.
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  Speaker 1: We call him the mess. He's actually putting in submitting
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  Speaker 1: an offer right as we speak. So we're watching it. Watch.
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  Speaker 1: We're gonna send some positive vibes that the offer comes through.
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  Speaker 1: Book at Dan, Oh, I want you to close on
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  Speaker 1: this house, whatever it is. Jan out, because let's just
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  Speaker 1: call him Dano, Dan Dano, the Dano family, the Dano family.
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  Speaker 1: So how are you, buddy? Good to have you on.
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  Speaker 1: It's good to be Wait was so was molly on? Recently?
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  Speaker 1: She didn't tell me? Wait did we not have Molly On?
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  Speaker 1: Am I making that up? Did I have my podcast?
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  Speaker 1: I think you had her on yours. I'm not sure. Oh,
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  Speaker 1: I am so old that I don't even remember who
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  Speaker 1: I've had. I am. I am the old gal, the
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  Speaker 1: og old gal who doesn't you're the fairy godmother of
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  Speaker 1: the bach Serettes. And I am the grandfather of the Bachelor. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: with a really old brain. Obviously. Between in between all
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  Speaker 1: that stuff, there was a time when I was still
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  Speaker 1: in my thirties a long time ago, that the young
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  Speaker 1: boys used to call me the godfather the young boys.
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  Speaker 1: They had not met you yet. I remember you telling
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  Speaker 1: me that when we first met Jason, and you know,
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  Speaker 1: I'll be honestly, buddy, I miss it out there. I
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  Speaker 1: missed the PNW, I missed handing. I'm miss being out
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  Speaker 1: there and crossing paths every now and then as we did.
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  Speaker 1: And but you know, it's funny. I was thinking about
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  Speaker 1: you the other day because I was thinking about this
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  Speaker 1: most recent Bachelor and Zak Showalter I believe it is
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  Speaker 1: his name, and I interviewed him. Seemed like a nice guy.
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  Speaker 1: I didn't really watch the season, so I know there
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  Speaker 1: was some tom foolery at the tail end there that
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  Speaker 1: kind of created some drama. But you know what I
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  Speaker 1: was wondering, because I mean, Jason Mesnick came out of
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  Speaker 1: this show just I mean, you went through the process,
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  Speaker 1: you married someone who was from the show. I get it.
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  Speaker 1: It wasn't exactly the ending that was scripted, so to speaks,
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  Speaker 1: but it was such a magical ending because it was
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  Speaker 1: like anything for love right, and Jason Mesnick's willing to
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  Speaker 1: go through the shit storm of all the publicity that
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  Speaker 1: would happen that was negative to find his true love,
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  Speaker 1: a Michigan girl by the way, and you know, basically
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  Speaker 1: just I think just light the world on fire at
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  Speaker 1: the time, and I was always so happy for you guys.
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  Speaker 1: But then I noticed, like recently, when they bring the
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  Speaker 1: old guys on for counseling, I get why I'm not
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  Speaker 1: included in. That was a mess, but they, you know,
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  Speaker 1: they got to get the mess back out there. The
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  Speaker 1: mess has some words of wisdom. Well, you know, it's
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  Speaker 1: funny who and again, everybody's gonna kill me. I don't
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  Speaker 1: even watch the show. What's it called again, Bachelor, Bachelor,
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  Speaker 1: So my friends call me the bitcheler, which I think
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  Speaker 1: is funny. But yeah, so I was called um before
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  Speaker 1: the season started because they had initially picked somebody else
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  Speaker 1: to be the bachelor. Okay, and I don't know his again,
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  Speaker 1: can you tell who that was? It was? It was
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  Speaker 1: a dad, all I know. It was a single dad.
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  Speaker 1: Oh and then he got he was on paradise. They like,
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  Speaker 1: I have my white already booked to go out there
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  Speaker 1: to do some of my you know, wizardry being dad,
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  Speaker 1: which nothing right, which is just keep your kids alive.
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  Speaker 1: So it like white was and then something negative came
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  Speaker 1: out about him, and it was at night, and they're like,
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  Speaker 1: so we canceled your flight, Okay, I'm going to go
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  Speaker 1: in another direction, and it was all within like wow,
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  Speaker 1: why I remember that. I do remember being totally shocked
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  Speaker 1: because Michael is the person that you're talking about, and
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  Speaker 1: I was shocked when the bad publicity came out about
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  Speaker 1: him because I thought he seems like a stand up dude,
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  Speaker 1: like be like Salts of the Earth kind of people.
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  Speaker 1: But that's shocking to me because he could have been
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  Speaker 1: the Bachelor if this bad press hadn't come out, and
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  Speaker 1: he wouldn't have met Danielle, who he's now. I think
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  Speaker 1: they're living together or she's actually living in the same city.
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  Speaker 1: They wouldn't have met and and Zack wouldn't have been
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  Speaker 1: the bachelor. This is all never played the whole path,
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  Speaker 1: and I even think about my path, like because you know,
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  Speaker 1: I picked Melissa, and then that the ABC went down
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  Speaker 1: the path of like, okay, since you are going back
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  Speaker 1: to Molly, now we want Melissa to be the Bachelor,
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  Speaker 1: but Molly was supposed to be the Bachelor. But then yeah,
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  Speaker 1: because Melissa had a boyfriend. They went to Jillian, right,
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  Speaker 1: So yes, if it wasn't for like, it could have
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  Speaker 1: been a totally different train of people involved. Yeah, you know,
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  Speaker 1: what have you guys us sliding doors? Yes, the butterfly effect.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, we could just do a movie about the
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  Speaker 1: Bachelor butterfly effect and how it has changed so many
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  Speaker 1: people's lives just from that. You're so right. If it
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  Speaker 1: hadn't been Jillian and it had been Molly or even Melissa,
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  Speaker 1: I mean that just kind of blows my mind. Well,
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  Speaker 1: I just remember, like when I was going through all that,
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  Speaker 1: you know, and again some of the painful conversation I
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  Speaker 1: was having behind the scenes. Yeah, the back then, the
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  Speaker 1: producers wanted me to make sure that Melissa went through
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  Speaker 1: these feelings on set because they needed the American to
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  Speaker 1: feel for her and love her so she could be
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  Speaker 1: the Bachelorette. Got it? Got it? So you basically hadn't
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  Speaker 1: you get a drubbing? Yeah, televised who I'm a company
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  Speaker 1: man anything? Yeah, you took it from the team. Oh yes,
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  Speaker 1: No it was a bad idea. Yeah, no, it was
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  Speaker 1: not a bad idea. You ended up with your beautiful wife, yeah, Riley,
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  Speaker 1: And yeah, I think it's such a success too, yea, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: speaking so, yes, of course it is a success. But
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  Speaker 1: speaking of Melissa, have you talked to her since since
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  Speaker 1: the show or since? That fatures such a wit like
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  Speaker 1: it's again everybody should know. It's a long time ago
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  Speaker 1: and going back and you're both very happy. Yeah, but
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  Speaker 1: going back the last time I talked to her, going back,
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  Speaker 1: the producers said, okay, so now that like we allowed
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  Speaker 1: you to talk to Molly and that's all working out,
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  Speaker 1: we need you to have a conversation with Melissa because
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  Speaker 1: she's not agreeing to be the bachelorette. Could you help
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  Speaker 1: us ask her and follow through it being the actual bachelorette.
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  Speaker 1: So I think the last time I talked to her
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  Speaker 1: was on a call with her to try to convince
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  Speaker 1: her to be the bachelorrette. But I didn't know that
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  Speaker 1: she had gone and you know, went back to her X. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: but that's a lot of granted, that was you know,
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  Speaker 1: in black and white TV and you know VHS. I
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  Speaker 1: think we all realized none of our seasons were on
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  Speaker 1: in high definition. No no, no, Mine was actually incredibly
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  Speaker 1: low definition, like the reverse of exactly Christa's was still
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  Speaker 1: glossy and gorgeous, even though it was before mine. But
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  Speaker 1: they blew the budget out. They blew the budget on
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  Speaker 1: the nice cameras and they went back to, you know,
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  Speaker 1: at best, the telephoto lens. When I was the bachelor,
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  Speaker 1: he was called blow d I used to love. They
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  Speaker 1: would always go, you know, they see I would say,
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  Speaker 1: you know, they see the camera adds ten pounds when
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  Speaker 1: they shoot me with ten cameras. Yeah, okay, ten times ten.
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  Speaker 1: I'm feel a little puggy day, a little puffy. Can
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  Speaker 1: we uh, you know, zoom out, but you look back today. No,
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  Speaker 1: it's all smoking mirrors, buddy, I got this little thin
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  Speaker 1: lens on, you know, a little bit. No, I actually uh,
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  Speaker 1: I actually thankfully I was. I was gonna tell Trista,
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  Speaker 1: you know, we just got back from Florida, my family did,
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  Speaker 1: and it's the tale of two trips. So the trip
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  Speaker 1: begins as we take off and we're flying out there
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  Speaker 1: and my wife gets the flu. Oh yes, So we
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  Speaker 1: land and she's sick for like four days and she's like,
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  Speaker 1: oh my, that sucks. Then like literally every one of
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  Speaker 1: my little party ended up getting it except me. But
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  Speaker 1: what I found was the kind of the benefit of
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  Speaker 1: that was you're on vacation, and when you're the only
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  Speaker 1: one who can actually eat anything, you don't really eat
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  Speaker 1: anything because you got no one to eat with. I'm
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  Speaker 1: not I'm not a solo eater guy. I wanted to
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  Speaker 1: be out of Yeah. I was like bowls of you know,
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  Speaker 1: honey nut cheerios and stuff. That's basically what I was
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  Speaker 1: doing for the week. That is so funny you say
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  Speaker 1: that because I where if Ryan is not here and
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  Speaker 1: the kids have eaten or are their add activities or whatever.
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  Speaker 1: I have cheerios too, Like it's a serial night. I
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  Speaker 1: don't have to do anything. Yes, you know, speaking of
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  Speaker 1: cheerios almost famous the ogs. Just kidding. We don't speak cheerios.
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  Speaker 1: But if we were a little about a really wonderful segue,
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  Speaker 1: would it? If you want a healthy snack, maybe they'll
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  Speaker 1: call us. Who knows? It's so funny. Okay, So, Jason,
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  Speaker 1: I want to know Molly switched jobs. She was radio hosting,
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  Speaker 1: and now you guys are partnered up in the real
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  Speaker 1: estate biz. I wonder just going, like, how is it
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  Speaker 1: working with each other? Twenty four seven? And I've spoken
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  Speaker 1: to her about it since it's happened. I feel like, um,
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  Speaker 1: but tell me, tell me how you feel about working together,
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  Speaker 1: how it's going. Can I ask you what she said
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  Speaker 1: before I even answer that? Honestly, I feel like she
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  Speaker 1: said that it was great. I mean, the fact of
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  Speaker 1: the matter is, if it wasn't going great, I have
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  Speaker 1: a feeling that one of you would have bowed out
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  Speaker 1: by now. Yeah, good, good point. I think we just
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  Speaker 1: do both totally different things. So for example, I'm kind
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  Speaker 1: of yeah, as I'm like working here right now, like
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  Speaker 1: the contract negotiations, getting the houses on the market, where
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  Speaker 1: she's really does great with the showings and as you'd imagine,
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  Speaker 1: she does great with prepping houses. Yeah right, Gary, Molly life.
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  Speaker 1: We get it on the market, and so she absolutely
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  Speaker 1: kills it. Oh yeah. I mean we have clients to
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  Speaker 1: buy new construction homes and they're like, can Molly help
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  Speaker 1: me decorate? That's awesome? Yeah, seriously. Yeah. The challenge I think,
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  Speaker 1: more than anything is, like we talk about work twenty
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  Speaker 1: four seven sure, yeah, right. So it's like if you
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  Speaker 1: want to step away and you're like, hey, we're taking
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  Speaker 1: the girls or the kids to the zoo, and you
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  Speaker 1: get to the zoo and you're talking about real estate,
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  Speaker 1: and then you get home and you talk about it,
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  Speaker 1: so it's it's not for everybody, but so far, yeah, good.
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  Speaker 1: I mean I do too. I think that it's it
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  Speaker 1: probably not super common. I would think, like, I don't
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  Speaker 1: think I could. I don't think I could, and I
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  Speaker 1: don't think Ryan could. I don't think we could work
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  Speaker 1: together as a couple and be at the same office.
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  Speaker 1: Like you said, you guys have kind of different jobs,
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  Speaker 1: and she's probably out of the office doing showings and
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  Speaker 1: stagings and whatever. So that's probably good, but I just
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  Speaker 1: don't know if I could do it. I give it
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  Speaker 1: up to you guys. Actually, we do have I mean
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  Speaker 1: a coach, like a coach that he think through things
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  Speaker 1: and he'll notice that if we are in separate locations
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  Speaker 1: for our coaching call versus in one location, something might
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  Speaker 1: be going on in our personal life. Interesting. He's like, well,
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  Speaker 1: why is Molly at home today? Tell me more about
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  Speaker 1: this break. Is it a life coach that just you
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  Speaker 1: interact with every day? No, I mean everybody in my opinion,
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  Speaker 1: like and more at sports wise, like Tiger Wood as
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  Speaker 1: a coach and Michael Jordan had a coach, and it
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  Speaker 1: really is just much more accountable and we do it
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  Speaker 1: a lot for marketing, and it's just kind of thinking
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  Speaker 1: through where where the industry's going and as we build
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  Speaker 1: up the big team now and how to manage people
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  Speaker 1: because I'm good at the work, but having to manage
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  Speaker 1: a whole team at people on top of that, so
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  Speaker 1: it's really just bad off people. Yeah, so I think
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  Speaker 1: that yeah for business professional business coach. Yeah, you know, Jason,
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  Speaker 1: you you and I talked about this before, but I
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  Speaker 1: used I was a partner in a mortgage company around
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  Speaker 1: the time I was actually on The Bachelor, and it
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  Speaker 1: was so interesting because I was really good at the
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  Speaker 1: people part of it, right, but but I couldn't well
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  Speaker 1: I couldn't sink my teeth into and why I wish
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  Speaker 1: I would have had this coach at that time. So
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  Speaker 1: I think it would have been really helpful for me.
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  Speaker 1: Was I couldn't understand why people didn't work with the
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  Speaker 1: same level of commitment, desire, you know, um just drive
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  Speaker 1: that I had. So anything that wasn't that to me
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  Speaker 1: was like, right, well, I'm sure I'm sure a coach
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  Speaker 1: would help would have helped me find those people's strengths
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  Speaker 1: and you know, see things differently where I just had
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  Speaker 1: this like tunnel VISI where I'm like, they either do
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  Speaker 1: it as hard as and as often as I do it,
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  Speaker 1: or they're not. You know, they're not going to be
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  Speaker 1: as valuable. And the people can be so valuable in
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  Speaker 1: so many different ways. And it's I'm sure that's going
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  Speaker 1: to be so helpful running a company. I mean, it is,
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  Speaker 1: and I think I was hesitant. I would have been hesitant,
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  Speaker 1: but I worked for this guy. This is when I
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  Speaker 1: was on The Bachelor. Actually, I worked for this financial
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  Speaker 1: guy and he was one of the richest guys in Seattle,
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  Speaker 1: worth hundreds and hundreds of millions of dollars, and he
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  Speaker 1: was in his seventies at the time and still had
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  Speaker 1: a coach that he met with twice. Really, that guy
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  Speaker 1: needs a coach. I sure as hell do. Yeah, I mean, honestly,
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  Speaker 1: I can see it being I mean, I guess I
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  Speaker 1: kind of started with this question of like, is it
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  Speaker 1: a life coach, because I can see needing help with parenting,
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  Speaker 1: I mean, and just running a household as well. You know. Anyway,
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  Speaker 1: that's really cool. I feel like, is that one of
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  Speaker 1: the secrets to your successful marriage? The real estate coach?
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  Speaker 1: I'm I'm just kidding. I mean, in this in this
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  Speaker 1: part of your life. Maybe a little bit. I think
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  Speaker 1: it helps kind of separate working. I'm gonna shut up
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  Speaker 1: because I'm gonna say something really stupid. That's not true. Um,
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  Speaker 1: unless you guys are fighting, then maybe you should know,
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  Speaker 1: you know, to the right show. Well, you know I
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  Speaker 1: have always you know, the whole happy life, happy life. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I've always been like a happy couple, happy me too. Yeah, right,
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  Speaker 1: you do. I say that too, because I'm always like
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  Speaker 1: if she just she's happy, that that means I'm not happy. Right.
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  Speaker 1: So I'm pointing to you because I think my husband
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  Speaker 1: feels the same way. Now, since all you always leave
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  Speaker 1: you your men, maybe the fact of the matter is
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  Speaker 1: you just are but hurt because we're not like happy husband,
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  Speaker 1: happy men, stronger and men. Yeah, it's right. So like
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  Speaker 1: somebody once told me this is when Ty was really little. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: they there's uh. One of the other dads on his
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  Speaker 1: like t ball team was like, had was very strict
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  Speaker 1: about date night with his wife, right, and I'm not
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  Speaker 1: Mollie and I are definitely not as good about that specifically,
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  Speaker 1: But I was like, how, like how and why how
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  Speaker 1: do you make the time? And he specifically said, if
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  Speaker 1: we're not good, him and his wife are, family's not good, right,
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  Speaker 1: It's true, it's true. So happy, just a happy couple. Yes,
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  Speaker 1: I agree, but I mean I agree, I really do.
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  Speaker 1: I think if we weren't happy, then we don't have
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  Speaker 1: the foundation of our family. I totally agree with that.
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  Speaker 1: I just think it's funny that you guys are like, oh, whatever,
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  Speaker 1: it's an happy wife say like that. I don't sound
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  Speaker 1: like that. Totally totally did. That's been translation. You know
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  Speaker 1: when you see like somebody, oh my gosh, that actually
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  Speaker 1: I just saw on Instagram. Have you guys seen where
• 17:06
  Speaker 1: they do lip like lip syncing for like NFL, like
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  Speaker 1: people guys on the football fields or whatever, Sarah, Like,
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  Speaker 1: I think Jimmy Fallon or Jimmy Kimmel has done it.
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  Speaker 1: But it's kind of like that, Like you guys are
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  Speaker 1: talking like this is and this is what I hear. Yeah, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: it's like that, like the Charlie Brown thing and the
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  Speaker 1: teacher so um yes, okay, So leading into what are
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  Speaker 1: the secrets of your success in terms of your marriage
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  Speaker 1: of our marriage, you know, the thing I think is
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  Speaker 1: is just growth. I think it's like everything else personally
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  Speaker 1: for me, it's been like every everything else in life,
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  Speaker 1: Like my first marriage I failed and I learned a
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  Speaker 1: lot um. And then even early on with Molly, like
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  Speaker 1: we had to adjust to her being a stepmom and
• 17:59
  Speaker 1: coming in and be really young at the time. You know,
• 18:01
  Speaker 1: Allie was twenty four. Yet she thought she was super
• 18:05
  Speaker 1: mature because she paid rentum. But I think really that's
• 18:11
  Speaker 1: what she called men. You're in so much trouble though
• 18:18
  Speaker 1: I know I like to be good trouble, but she
• 18:21
  Speaker 1: knows that. Like as times she started to like we
• 18:24
  Speaker 1: both started to grow, like we've all like everybody else
• 18:27
  Speaker 1: we have. Like, I think communication has been the biggest
• 18:29
  Speaker 1: struggle in any relationship, right, work, relationship, personal relationship, But
• 18:33
  Speaker 1: I think it is the years go by, and like
• 18:35
  Speaker 1: we've been married thirteen years now, that's awesome, But I
• 18:39
  Speaker 1: think the communication jets gets better and better. Yeah, going
• 18:53
  Speaker 1: back to how your relationship started, I think it's kind
• 18:56
  Speaker 1: of an amazing thing, right, Like I think Tristan and
• 18:59
  Speaker 1: Ryan have that man magic of really finding each other
• 19:02
  Speaker 1: on this show and going through this like you know,
• 19:04
  Speaker 1: needle in a haystack type of you know thing where
• 19:07
  Speaker 1: we would have never met and all that kind of stuff.
• 19:09
  Speaker 1: But then you two, I feel like, have this extra
• 19:11
  Speaker 1: wrinkle that makes it really special in your own way
• 19:14
  Speaker 1: as well, which was you know, yeah, all all systems
• 19:18
  Speaker 1: pointed this way and you you bucked this system and
• 19:21
  Speaker 1: you went this way for love. And I think it's
• 19:23
  Speaker 1: just one of those things. You can look at it
• 19:25
  Speaker 1: a million different ways, but I think that I just
• 19:28
  Speaker 1: I mean, you knew you were going to get roasted
• 19:31
  Speaker 1: on a national television when you made that decision, but
• 19:34
  Speaker 1: you didn't care. You did it anyway, And I think
• 19:36
  Speaker 1: that that's one of those things that will persevere, will
• 19:39
  Speaker 1: help you two always have that to fall on. Hey,
• 19:41
  Speaker 1: we've been through times where people, you know, we're not
• 19:45
  Speaker 1: very nice to you know, Jason Mesnick, you know publicly.
• 19:48
  Speaker 1: I'm sure they were just ripping you apart at that time,
• 19:51
  Speaker 1: and you didn't care. You went for where your heart was,
• 19:54
  Speaker 1: And I think that says a lot about you guys.
• 19:56
  Speaker 1: I think you need to talk to Molly about this,
• 19:58
  Speaker 1: because experience was very different. Yeah. It wasn't like back
• 20:04
  Speaker 1: for love. It was like you ditch me. Yeah yeah, yeah,
• 20:09
  Speaker 1: And she does every day she puts it on the
• 20:15
  Speaker 1: white board. Yeah a lot, that is a lot. I
• 20:23
  Speaker 1: don't know what that is, but it's like, it's come up.
• 20:26
  Speaker 1: Let's just say, yeah, let's just say it's come up
• 20:28
  Speaker 1: thousands of time. Why I choose to see the magic
• 20:34
  Speaker 1: in it? That's all I do too. You know, it's
• 20:37
  Speaker 1: funny because I have a lot of people, and I'm
• 20:41
  Speaker 1: sure sorry Itchy and my um, a lot of people
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: who have said over the years, oh, well, how many
• 20:47
  Speaker 1: successful couples are there? And and I'll mention you guys,
• 20:50
  Speaker 1: and they're like, they don't count. I'm like, yes, they do,
• 20:53
  Speaker 1: Like the branches. Yeah, I'm like, he went with his
• 20:59
  Speaker 1: heart and even though he knew he was going to
• 21:02
  Speaker 1: be roasted, as you put, he was like, no, this
• 21:05
  Speaker 1: is this is what I need to do, instead of
• 21:08
  Speaker 1: just going with what he thought the popular vote was
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: going to be. You know, based on everyone kind of
• 21:15
  Speaker 1: figuring out that you and you listen were together. Maybe
• 21:19
  Speaker 1: I'm wrong about thinking think of this. Were you kind
• 21:21
  Speaker 1: of upset at first? I was? I was because I
• 21:28
  Speaker 1: was friends with Melissa or so I thought. Um, And
• 21:32
  Speaker 1: so I was like, and I'm a I'm a loyal friend,
• 21:36
  Speaker 1: like I'm sure Molly could tell you that, but I
• 21:39
  Speaker 1: am a loyal friend, like it once once we are friends.
• 21:43
  Speaker 1: If you wrong my friend, you better watch out. The
• 21:47
  Speaker 1: scorpio comes out in me. Right. And so I was like,
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: I was on Melissa's side because I felt like, oh, well,
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: what she was telling me was that she didn't know
• 21:58
  Speaker 1: what was happening, and and and lo and behold what
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: I believe was the case that wasn't actually true, that
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: she knew that you guys had talked um prior to
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: the after the final rows, you can tell that story, um.
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: And so I was just basically like um, supporting her
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: and defending her, you know, I was. I was trying
• 22:23
  Speaker 1: to defend you were anti and Molly. You were just
• 22:26
  Speaker 1: of course not. I loved Molly, she were you like
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: I love my Iron Girls. Yeah, but I will say
• 22:32
  Speaker 1: to Blue and Blue in the face, likes Melissa is
• 22:35
  Speaker 1: awesome for somebody like yeah, you know, it just it
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: just didn't work for us. And totally I wish it
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: wasn't on TV over and over again, but it is
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: signed up for Yeah right. Yeah, that's the hardest part
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: is having to live through it. I mean, I, of
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: course have a much different story than both of yours
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: crash and burn one thousand percent, but point being uh,
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: you know, it was one of those things that you're right,
• 22:59
  Speaker 1: you have to live through it and live you know,
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: everyone's recollection of it also kind of you know what
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: they say, you people can rewrite history, you know, so
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: sometimes things change, especially with a good fifteen to twenty
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: years on them that you know, isn't exactly how I
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: went down, but it's how someone remembers it. So I
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: always find that to be a little bit interesting too.
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: I mean, I remember and again, like it's all you know,
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: way in the past. I remember begging the production staff
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: like can we just not do this on DV? Like
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: not good for me? And they're like, don't worry, It's
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: gonna be fine. They said the same thing to Jake Pavelka, Yeah,
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: could you imagine? No, trust me, it be great for you, Jake, Yeah,
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: right no. But honestly, like I loved both of them,
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: but I was friends with Melissa at least I felt
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: like at the time, and um, and so I was
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: just kind of defending her. But please, I mean, Molly's
• 23:56
  Speaker 1: my girl. I love your wife, and I know I mean,
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: and I love the two of you together. I love
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: I say this to the people who are like they
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: don't count. I'm like whatever. Like they are, they have
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: fought for their relationship. It wasn't easy, as you kind
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: of alluded to, Like I remember, didn't she moved to
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: Seattle and you guys lived separately or no, you had
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: a long distance relationship first, right, Yeah? Yeah, like you
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: guys fought for your relationship. You didn't. You didn't just
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: jump ship and be like, Okay, let's move in together.
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: We're having babies tomorrow, you know, like you guys fought
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: for your relationship so I play, and you probably had
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: to be so. I mean, Jason, I know you probably
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: talked about this a lot too, but with you had
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: to be so careful, you know, with your child and
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: to make sure that it was the right thing before
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: you know, you're you're not necessarily going to be playing
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: house on the weekends when you have a young child,
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: you know, and you were so you were so mindful
• 24:51
  Speaker 1: of that. I think you always put your son first,
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: and I was always really respected. I respected that a
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: lot because at the time I didn't have kids, but
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: I was just like man if I did, and now
• 24:59
  Speaker 1: that I I do have them, I could only imagine
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: how it had to be that had to be just
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: priority number one for you, and I thought it came through.
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: I mean yeah, I mean it's funny even going through
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: that because I think the biggest arguments add with my
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: ex wife was like she did not want him a
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: part of it anything, right, and I know, what about
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: the little bits here and there. Yeah, but like I
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: think the hardest, I would say probably the hardest one
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: of the hardest things going through that show is they
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: really wanted him to be a part of everything. They're like, well,
• 25:26
  Speaker 1: if we have a big date in all the girls
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: babysit tie And I was like, what do we don't
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: do that? Yeah? Yeah, can you imagine though, being a
• 25:36
  Speaker 1: parent now? No, no, no, I really can't. I can't
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: even imagine being a contestant or whatever you want to
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: call it, a participant. I literally said the other day,
• 25:47
  Speaker 1: I cannot if the show was if the social media
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: was what it is now, back then, I don't. I
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: couldn't have survived. And Ryan said, you would not have
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: made it because I used to look at the message
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: boards like and I cannot imagine being skewered like the
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: people get skewered. Now, I really really can't. I mean, yeah,
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: they were just message boards. For Trista and I and
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: I remember I would see I would see like a
• 26:14
  Speaker 1: hundred because you make that It's almost like you go
• 26:17
  Speaker 1: down this rabbit hole. Right, Everyone's like, don't look at it.
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: I didn't even know it exist until he told me
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: not to look at it. Then I looked at it.
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: Worst mistake ever. And I'd see like a thousand nice
• 26:25
  Speaker 1: things and I'd see one or two bad things, and
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: those two things would consume me for days, saying like
• 26:32
  Speaker 1: I would literally think about it, like what why would
• 26:34
  Speaker 1: this person say this? Like that is the meanest thing ever.
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: And it was like, I can't even imagine how the
• 26:39
  Speaker 1: contestants gone there an hour, like you said, the participants
• 26:41
  Speaker 1: whatever they're calling, I would be so in my own
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: head I probably just quit. I really wonder how many
• 26:47
  Speaker 1: of us would actually say the same thing, you know
• 26:50
  Speaker 1: what I mean, if any of us, any of the ogs.
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: Jason was at the beginning, right, you were at the
• 26:56
  Speaker 1: beginning of social media? Yeah, I mean, you know, people
• 26:58
  Speaker 1: were on my MySpace page and I'm not joking, I'm
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: not joking. I believe it. Oh my god, I had
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: kind of just started. Yeah, but who was the guy
• 27:10
  Speaker 1: who started my space? Tom Remember the guy that was
• 27:12
  Speaker 1: no idea. I remember the guy telling about he was
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: like he followed everybody. He was like, yeah, it was
• 27:17
  Speaker 1: all literally it was all my space. That is so funny. Yeah. No,
• 27:22
  Speaker 1: I mean the way that it is and not just
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: social media, but I feel like the way that they
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: pin people against each other. Like I always say, and
• 27:31
  Speaker 1: I've I've heard this from a lot of different people
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: that our season was very innocent and you know, and
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: innocent in the way that no one really knew about
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: it or people did. I mean, obviously thirty million people
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: or whatever watched it, but I think that they were
• 27:48
  Speaker 1: still like in it for like the love story. And
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: now I feel like maybe a lot of people watch
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: it because of the drama, and so that's what they
• 27:55
  Speaker 1: have to continue to do is just make things dramatic.
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: And I just don't think I I could have handled it.
• 28:00
  Speaker 1: I mean all the time, just by which shows are
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: on in our house, and I'll give you two awesome examples.
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: One is The Housewives of Whatever, Yeah right, right, and
• 28:12
  Speaker 1: then secondly, this is new to our family and it's
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: going to talk about how bad of a parent I am.
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: But show called Dance Moms that Okay, that's me. So
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: Dance Moms is on all the time now stupid, but
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: it's like that drama is what people want to see, yes, right,
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: I think the love story is like cute after after
• 28:36
  Speaker 1: the fact. Yeah right. Yeah. You know one of my friends,
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: we were just in a dance competition this weekend, um,
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: and one of my friends turns to me and she's like,
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: this is what you need to do a show on
• 28:50
  Speaker 1: Dance Moms. But the one that you're watching, Jason was
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: super dramatic and the like director of the studio was
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: yelling at all the moms and there was always like
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: you know, in fighting whatever. These girls are super talented.
• 29:03
  Speaker 1: But I really would love to have some kind of
• 29:08
  Speaker 1: show out there where we actually focus on the talent
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: of these kids because it really is like amazing to
• 29:17
  Speaker 1: see and we like we've pour our lives into these girls.
• 29:21
  Speaker 1: So I would love the positive part of that. But
• 29:23
  Speaker 1: you're right, like people just want to see the drama,
• 29:25
  Speaker 1: like they want to see the fighting. Oh I hate it.
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: So I'm new, Like again, I don't pay attention a
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: lot to like what's going on in the about the
• 29:33
  Speaker 1: world world, but I'm fair to understand that Flice has
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: more time on his hands if you want to pitch
• 29:39
  Speaker 1: something to him. We might have just brought that up
• 29:44
  Speaker 1: because we neither one of us know what's going on,
• 29:46
  Speaker 1: but we had just said before before we came on.
• 29:49
  Speaker 1: We're like, yeah, what'd you hear about that? I heard this? Right?
• 29:51
  Speaker 1: Did you hear? You know? What did you hear? Jason? Yeah?
• 29:54
  Speaker 1: You probably know more than us. Well, I only know
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: through what Molly Molly said, but like from my understand
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: ending is that um, he he could have done better
• 30:05
  Speaker 1: about bringing other other ethnicities and other culture into the show.
• 30:10
  Speaker 1: That's what got it. But I would say, like again,
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: I'm probably get quoted on this somewhere, but it's not
• 30:16
  Speaker 1: just like from my experience when I was going to
• 30:19
  Speaker 1: be the bachelor, right, I got calls not just from
• 30:23
  Speaker 1: him but from ADC to say, the only reason they're
• 30:26
  Speaker 1: trying to figure out if you're the right guy right
• 30:28
  Speaker 1: now is because they've never had a Jewish but not
• 30:30
  Speaker 1: even a dad, but a Jewish bachelor, right. And it's
• 30:34
  Speaker 1: not like so that's a relation. You mean they were
• 30:36
  Speaker 1: trying to figure out if they wanted a Jewish bachelor,
• 30:40
  Speaker 1: or they were trying to figure out if America as
• 30:43
  Speaker 1: a whole would accept somebody who is not of a
• 30:47
  Speaker 1: different faith. And I you know, and I had that
• 30:53
  Speaker 1: conversation many times with them about you know, different ethnicities
• 30:57
  Speaker 1: as well, because it wasn't it was not from from
• 31:00
  Speaker 1: what I remember, it was not about Mike Fleiss or
• 31:04
  Speaker 1: any of the leaders deciding because they didn't get the
• 31:06
  Speaker 1: final decision. It's the corporation now, right, So well it's
• 31:10
  Speaker 1: it's not just ABC, it's Warner you know. Yeah, it's
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: like who. Yeah, they're just worried about who are they
• 31:17
  Speaker 1: going to sell enough ad space depending on who's on
• 31:19
  Speaker 1: the show. Oh, I see. So they're like, oh if
• 31:23
  Speaker 1: we if we, if we have a Jewish bachelor, will
• 31:27
  Speaker 1: our sponsors still sponsor us because they want whatever else
• 31:31
  Speaker 1: whatever other religion. It's a piece of that. And they'll say, well, like,
• 31:35
  Speaker 1: if less people watch it because he's a Jewish guy,
• 31:38
  Speaker 1: therefore we'll have that's terrible And it didn't work like like,
• 31:42
  Speaker 1: and I will say in defense, obviously it didn't affect
• 31:44
  Speaker 1: you because obviously you were they they made the right choice,
• 31:47
  Speaker 1: and they they had you as the bachelor. Well and
• 31:50
  Speaker 1: even on top of that, I will argue that like
• 31:52
  Speaker 1: Mike Fleis is Jewish, and then Jeff programming was Jewish.
• 31:56
  Speaker 1: Like it was just like it was a Jewish LoveFest,
• 31:59
  Speaker 1: but you do with any of us, or like the
• 32:02
  Speaker 1: fact that whether you like somebody or not, it was
• 32:04
  Speaker 1: where could you sell ads with this guy here? Yeah? Yeah,
• 32:10
  Speaker 1: I'm sure it was focused group. Everything's focused group to death,
• 32:12
  Speaker 1: you know, like they cut out like we did have
• 32:14
  Speaker 1: like there were funny little things we did with something
• 32:19
  Speaker 1: about Judaism, and everything was cut out. Oh really, yeah,
• 32:23
  Speaker 1: we're not bad. We're not that bad. We're not that bad.
• 32:29
  Speaker 1: Is that what you just said? That bad? Yeah? I'm sure,
• 32:33
  Speaker 1: you know. I wonder if if you know, it was
• 32:36
  Speaker 1: just like they focused group of everything, right, so oh
• 32:39
  Speaker 1: well this work? Oh yeah, it's gonna work. Great, Okay,
• 32:40
  Speaker 1: we'll do it. You know. It's almost like it's just
• 32:43
  Speaker 1: interesting to me. But well, obviously they made the great choice.
• 32:47
  Speaker 1: But I remember the conversations of like different ethnicities, and
• 32:52
  Speaker 1: this was not coming from anybody specifically, it was coming
• 32:54
  Speaker 1: from these research groups, and like it was like, you
• 32:57
  Speaker 1: don't know if America is ready for that? Right? Huh wow, interesting,
• 33:02
  Speaker 1: that's just about your account, you know what I mean? Yeah, yeah, Yeah, yeah,
• 33:08
  Speaker 1: I think it's it's interesting. I feel bad for just
• 33:15
  Speaker 1: in general, not just not just Vice, not just Chris Harrison,
• 33:19
  Speaker 1: but anyone who gets canceled, you know, Like the cancel
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: culture I think is I don't know, I think it's
• 33:26
  Speaker 1: kind of out of control, and you know, you have
• 33:29
  Speaker 1: to be so careful with what you say and what
• 33:32
  Speaker 1: you do because you're worried that you're just gonna be
• 33:36
  Speaker 1: completely blackballed from everything and anything, you know. So yeah, yeah,
• 33:41
  Speaker 1: it's definitely, it's definitely an interesting time. I actually was
• 33:55
  Speaker 1: saying the other day how bad, how bad I feel,
• 33:57
  Speaker 1: And I had talked to Zach and I was with Clayton,
• 34:02
  Speaker 1: and both of them had gone through this really challenging
• 34:05
  Speaker 1: time of being The Bachelor when it's on the when
• 34:08
  Speaker 1: its ratings have been declining, and they're they're taking shouldering
• 34:13
  Speaker 1: full responsibility in their minds for the for the show,
• 34:16
  Speaker 1: you know. And I get that because I mean, I know, Jason,
• 34:18
  Speaker 1: I actually talked about this years ago, but I remember saying,
• 34:20
  Speaker 1: like half the reason I didn't want to be the
• 34:22
  Speaker 1: Bachelor when they asked me to be was I was like,
• 34:25
  Speaker 1: let's got nowhere to go but down. Yeah, I mean,
• 34:27
  Speaker 1: you know, what am I gonna do. I'm like the Titanic.
• 34:29
  Speaker 1: I'm like the captain was taking this thing, and you know,
• 34:33
  Speaker 1: it was one of those things where now this twenty
• 34:35
  Speaker 1: years later, the show still here. I'm like, I guess
• 34:36
  Speaker 1: we did all right, Tris, and we kept it a lot,
• 34:38
  Speaker 1: but it you know, but it was like I remember
• 34:40
  Speaker 1: that time and I remember feeling that pressure, like, oh
• 34:42
  Speaker 1: my gosh. And you know, and thankfully my season was
• 34:45
  Speaker 1: at that time where we did have a ton of
• 34:47
  Speaker 1: you were still and you know, and so it's like
• 34:49
  Speaker 1: now this many years later, when it went from twenty
• 34:52
  Speaker 1: eight or thirty million to now like two or three million,
• 34:54
  Speaker 1: and it's largely because of the social media presence. I
• 34:57
  Speaker 1: think the show can be watched a million different ways
• 34:58
  Speaker 1: that maybe aren't you know, quantifiable necessarily, but it's like,
• 35:03
  Speaker 1: I mean, man, those guys who feel so much pressure,
• 35:05
  Speaker 1: you know, like they're like, oh, I was the boring
• 35:06
  Speaker 1: bachelor everyone. You know, I'm like, what are you talking about?
• 35:09
  Speaker 1: You know, like it's a show for twenty years. It's
• 35:12
  Speaker 1: like the Simpsons. It's like you can't last forever. But
• 35:15
  Speaker 1: hopefully it continues, but you know, and because it will
• 35:18
  Speaker 1: but I think there's a lot of pressure on these
• 35:20
  Speaker 1: guys too, and they feel like they're just you know
• 35:23
  Speaker 1: and reship. Yeah, oh yeah, all of them. I feel like,
• 35:27
  Speaker 1: I feel like, now it's got to be so hard
• 35:30
  Speaker 1: because you couldn't have ever made a mistake in your
• 35:32
  Speaker 1: life ever, you know, because if it's found out, then
• 35:36
  Speaker 1: you're going to be canceled. Yeah. And not that these
• 35:38
  Speaker 1: people shouldn't have to answer for these mistakes, but I
• 35:41
  Speaker 1: just don't think they should go so far as to
• 35:43
  Speaker 1: be completely blackballed from everything, do you know what I mean?
• 35:46
  Speaker 1: Like I yeah, so you know, write a statement and
• 35:50
  Speaker 1: if you feel remorseful about what you did, you know,
• 35:53
  Speaker 1: apologize and do better, and you know, make yourself better
• 35:57
  Speaker 1: by by actively doing things things that are opposite to
• 36:01
  Speaker 1: the mistake that you made, you know, redemption right exactly.
• 36:07
  Speaker 1: I feel like I was just having this conversation with
• 36:09
  Speaker 1: my daughter yesterday about and I don't even know why
• 36:12
  Speaker 1: we were bringing it up, but about giving people second chances.
• 36:15
  Speaker 1: And I told her, I do believe that everyone deserves
• 36:19
  Speaker 1: a second chance. We're all human, we make mistakes, and
• 36:23
  Speaker 1: if we are remorseful in those mistakes, then the hope
• 36:28
  Speaker 1: is that you are redeemed and forgiven, and I just
• 36:31
  Speaker 1: I just wish that was that was more a part
• 36:33
  Speaker 1: of our culture now instead of focusing on canceling it.
• 36:36
  Speaker 1: It's hard, I think, but I just think about it.
• 36:38
  Speaker 1: It work all the time too. It's like any successful
• 36:42
  Speaker 1: business makes so many mistakes and you learn. Yeah. Yeah,
• 36:45
  Speaker 1: And what we're also saying, so we're saying is like,
• 36:47
  Speaker 1: of course there are terrible things that people do that
• 36:49
  Speaker 1: you some things are not redeemable, right totally. That is
• 36:53
  Speaker 1: actually what Blakesley said. She was like, I don't know
• 36:56
  Speaker 1: if some things are forgiven. Like like if Ryan ever
• 36:59
  Speaker 1: hurt our kids, I don't know that I would like
• 37:02
  Speaker 1: physically hurt them, you know, like that would be really
• 37:05
  Speaker 1: hard to overcome. Yeah, but you know, I do feel
• 37:09
  Speaker 1: like they're there are certain things that you know, if
• 37:12
  Speaker 1: someone truly is remorseful about um and proves through action
• 37:18
  Speaker 1: that they have changed to then I just think about
• 37:20
  Speaker 1: it as a parent too, like you want or your
• 37:23
  Speaker 1: kids to make mistakes and learn from them. I mean,
• 37:26
  Speaker 1: I like, I think about that this is a stupid mistake.
• 37:29
  Speaker 1: But like Tye works so hard to be to be
• 37:32
  Speaker 1: on the varsity basketball team, right he didn't make it
• 37:35
  Speaker 1: his first couple of years, and he made it. And
• 37:37
  Speaker 1: then in one of the big games, he made a
• 37:40
  Speaker 1: mistake and they lost, right, and I had never seen
• 37:43
  Speaker 1: him so upset, like as an eighteen year old. He's
• 37:45
  Speaker 1: a big six five yea, God's huge, and I'm like,
• 37:50
  Speaker 1: my heart is broken. I'm like, I don't ever want
• 37:52
  Speaker 1: him to feel that way. But he, as a young
• 37:54
  Speaker 1: guy like bounce back faster than I could have, Like
• 37:58
  Speaker 1: I would drag me down. But like it was interesting
• 38:00
  Speaker 1: to see as a parent, like he made a mistake,
• 38:04
  Speaker 1: he learned from his mistake, and now he's moving on. Yeah,
• 38:08
  Speaker 1: that's just good parenting. That's that's why I think that's
• 38:12
  Speaker 1: really good parenting. I do because I think of that
• 38:14
  Speaker 1: all the time, Like, man, I hope I prepare my
• 38:16
  Speaker 1: kids properly for moments like that, because they're going to
• 38:18
  Speaker 1: experience them, you know. So good for you, guys, Good
• 38:21
  Speaker 1: for you and your Molly and Molly and your Axe
• 38:23
  Speaker 1: and everyone for the involvement there. To have him be
• 38:26
  Speaker 1: able to bounce back like that, I think that's a
• 38:28
  Speaker 1: big statement about you guys. Yeah, well maybe that's because
• 38:30
  Speaker 1: he's dicherous. He went off to college here soon. I
• 38:33
  Speaker 1: was just going to ask, what's happening? Where is he going?
• 38:36
  Speaker 1: Has he decided he's going to go to Boise State? Okay,
• 38:41
  Speaker 1: too far from basketball? Not for basketball. He wants to
• 38:45
  Speaker 1: do his own thing. He's got friends going to kind
• 38:47
  Speaker 1: of all the local schools in Washington, California, even Arizona.
• 38:51
  Speaker 1: And he's like he hasn't completely he's not a one
• 38:54
  Speaker 1: hundred percent in, but he's like, I kind of want
• 38:56
  Speaker 1: to do my own thing. And I really the orange man,
• 39:00
  Speaker 1: that's the coolest colored football field I've ever beten to
• 39:03
  Speaker 1: in my life. The field is bright orange. Yeah, I
• 39:06
  Speaker 1: still help you there. Yeah, it's crazy. Yeah, it's a
• 39:09
  Speaker 1: really cool area too, isn't it blue? Oh there's blue.
• 39:12
  Speaker 1: You're right, it's bright blue. But they're blue and orange
• 39:15
  Speaker 1: and orange. Yeah, like theos. Yeah, it stands out big time. Yeah.
• 39:21
  Speaker 1: I bet that's so fun. And how is Riley doing?
• 39:28
  Speaker 1: She is such a little Molly, I mean, yeah, oh
• 39:31
  Speaker 1: my god. But you know what I didn't realize is
• 39:34
  Speaker 1: that drama with these little ones starts pretty early. I
• 39:38
  Speaker 1: was super really early. The girls girls like WHOA totally
• 39:44
  Speaker 1: different than Little Boy Daddy Donuts Day is still going strong. Yeah,
• 39:48
  Speaker 1: I think we're like eight years into like donuts with
• 39:51
  Speaker 1: Daddy every Friday. I love it. I love you need to, um,
• 39:55
  Speaker 1: you need to write a book about that, considering you
• 39:58
  Speaker 1: just wrote a book about your poopoo face. Yes, yeah,
• 40:01
  Speaker 1: the poop pase was well, the poper face was all
• 40:03
  Speaker 1: about I will tell you that was Ty's potty training experience.
• 40:07
  Speaker 1: So that's really what we've from. And Riley has been
• 40:09
  Speaker 1: bugging me since she's been aware of that book coming
• 40:13
  Speaker 1: out that her and I are going to do. You
• 40:15
  Speaker 1: have to. I love that idea. Oh I'm jealous, Like
• 40:20
  Speaker 1: I always wanted to write a children's book and I
• 40:22
  Speaker 1: just never could come up with the right idea. I
• 40:25
  Speaker 1: love it. Thank you for sending me one, even though
• 40:27
  Speaker 1: my kids are far out of diapers and minor and diapers. Buddy,
• 40:33
  Speaker 1: it's okay, I'll go get it from Barnes and Noble.
• 40:35
  Speaker 1: Oh oh, pop, I'll give you one. Po Yeah, you
• 40:42
  Speaker 1: know it's funny. I'm actually we're at the point where
• 40:45
  Speaker 1: we're just trying to get Grayson to feel comfortable going
• 40:47
  Speaker 1: to the bathroom by himself, because you know, like right,
• 40:50
  Speaker 1: he's always like Daddy, come on, I have to go
• 40:52
  Speaker 1: to the bathroom, like you got this, buddy, No, no,
• 40:54
  Speaker 1: I need you to go with me. And I'm like,
• 40:55
  Speaker 1: all right, you know, because in my mind, I'm like,
• 40:57
  Speaker 1: you know, I got a late start of being a dad,
• 41:00
  Speaker 1: so I'm gonna soak it up, man, because sooner than
• 41:02
  Speaker 1: later he's probably gonna be like, you know, get out
• 41:03
  Speaker 1: of here, Dad, Why do you I'll be like, hey,
• 41:05
  Speaker 1: what are you gonna do? What are you doing here, buddy?
• 41:06
  Speaker 1: If I don't need you in here? You know, what
• 41:08
  Speaker 1: are you doing? But you're loving it, aren't you? I am, man,
• 41:13
  Speaker 1: I love it. I gotta say like, I think I
• 41:15
  Speaker 1: think if I would have been at you know, the
• 41:19
  Speaker 1: conventional age of having children, which you know, all my
• 41:21
  Speaker 1: buddies their kids are in college and you know, going
• 41:24
  Speaker 1: to college. But I feel like I may have been.
• 41:27
  Speaker 1: I don't think I was prepared. I don't think I
• 41:29
  Speaker 1: think I was a little too selfish then, even though
• 41:30
  Speaker 1: I thought I was, uh, you know, giving a magnanimous person.
• 41:34
  Speaker 1: I think I think it happened at the right time
• 41:37
  Speaker 1: for me because I'm at this part in life where
• 41:39
  Speaker 1: I can go, you know what, I'm not doing that today?
• 41:41
  Speaker 1: You guys, go have fun I'm staying right here and
• 41:45
  Speaker 1: you know, making sandcastles with my kids, you know, or whatever.
• 41:47
  Speaker 1: It's I love. I love being at this phase having
• 41:50
  Speaker 1: the kids. I just feel bad that, you know, their
• 41:53
  Speaker 1: friends are gonna be like, why is your grandpa on
• 41:55
  Speaker 1: a walker as my dad? That's my dad. He's an
• 42:00
  Speaker 1: under five. He's still kicking like, let's ups. But yeah,
• 42:10
  Speaker 1: Well with Jason, We're so happy for you, I'm saying
• 42:13
  Speaker 1: we me and Bob obviously, I'm very happy for you
• 42:16
  Speaker 1: guys in your success, love your family. I am very
• 42:19
  Speaker 1: excited to see the finished product of the new house.
• 42:23
  Speaker 1: Oh my god, Oh my gosh, is that all consuming?
• 42:28
  Speaker 1: Not for me. We had a big conversation yesterday about
• 42:32
  Speaker 1: chunky windows because I've never heard I've never heard of
• 42:36
  Speaker 1: chunky windows before. But windows are are in right, there's
• 42:41
  Speaker 1: just like a structure. The group's going on, so it
• 42:43
  Speaker 1: looks like a real house, but the windows in Molly
• 42:46
  Speaker 1: is panicking about the chunkiness of them. Okay, interesting chic term.
• 42:53
  Speaker 1: Yeah it's her term. Oh got it, it's not a
• 42:57
  Speaker 1: technical I see. Um. No. I love following her stories
• 43:02
  Speaker 1: because you know, building a house is just so much
• 43:05
  Speaker 1: to watch. I don't know, yeah it is. Yeah. Um
• 43:09
  Speaker 1: so anyway, thanks for coming on and having It's always
• 43:13
  Speaker 1: fun to hang out. Always great seeing you, buddy. Definitely
• 43:16
  Speaker 1: a you know, I will be the Godfather's Godfather that
• 43:23
  Speaker 1: maybe you're I'm Godfather too? Oh there you go there
• 43:26
  Speaker 1: you yeah, yeah, I have got Father one. That's a
• 43:29
  Speaker 1: good one. I like it. I liked both of those movies.
• 43:31
  Speaker 1: Got Father three, we don't need it? No, was it
• 43:34
  Speaker 1: just was it just named Godfather one and Godfather too?
• 43:37
  Speaker 1: Or did they have like titles they try to three? Oh? Yeah,
• 43:39
  Speaker 1: there was titles with it. Godfather what's the title? Do
• 43:42
  Speaker 1: we know? Okay? Yes? Right? Godfather who? Did have like
• 43:46
  Speaker 1: a subtitle? Yeah? I can't remember what it was. Godfather
• 43:49
  Speaker 1: three I think was just basically referred to as the
• 43:51
  Speaker 1: one that shouldn't have been made? Yes, right of course,
• 43:56
  Speaker 1: which I have not seen. But give yeah, I give
• 43:58
  Speaker 1: Molly and the kids our best and tell Tye we're
• 44:00
  Speaker 1: excited for him. And um, I love watching your and
• 44:04
  Speaker 1: Riley's don't have choices on Fridays, so keep them common cute, Yes,
• 44:08
  Speaker 1: and thanks for joining us on the OG's Buddy you
• 44:10
  Speaker 1: got it anytime, guys. All right? By J J. Jason
• 44:15
  Speaker 1: Masnick everybody. God, he's a great guy. Man. I love
• 44:18
  Speaker 1: that guy. You know, it's funny. I regret when I
• 44:21
  Speaker 1: lived in Pacific Northwest, I lived in Seattle for four years.
• 44:24
  Speaker 1: We didn't get together a ton, but in the beginning
• 44:26
  Speaker 1: it was nice because Jason always made effort to include
• 44:29
  Speaker 1: me and stuff, and you know, made me feel welcome
• 44:31
  Speaker 1: and uh and I really enjoyed it. You know, I
• 44:34
  Speaker 1: just was traveling at that point so much in my
• 44:36
  Speaker 1: life that it was bananas. But he was always such
• 44:39
  Speaker 1: a nice guy. And we have a lot of friends
• 44:40
  Speaker 1: in common that live out there in Seattle, so it
• 44:43
  Speaker 1: was always nice to cross paths when we did, and
• 44:46
  Speaker 1: you know, just a good dude. Really assaulted the earth guy,
• 44:49
  Speaker 1: you know, agreed, agreed. I just loved them. Their family
• 44:54
  Speaker 1: is really truly one of my favorites. Yeah, I think
• 44:58
  Speaker 1: you're right though. They fought for that. They fought for
• 45:00
  Speaker 1: that family. Are these are of all the happiness in
• 45:02
  Speaker 1: the world, you know, I mean, honestly, any couple who
• 45:06
  Speaker 1: was able to stay together even if they weren't a
• 45:08
  Speaker 1: lead on the show, one of the couple people in
• 45:12
  Speaker 1: the couple, even if one of them wasn't a lead.
• 45:15
  Speaker 1: I think we give them all credit for being you know,
• 45:18
  Speaker 1: from the show, because there is not I hate to
• 45:23
  Speaker 1: say pressure because I don't feel like Ryan and I
• 45:25
  Speaker 1: have ever really felt pressure to stay together. But um,
• 45:30
  Speaker 1: there is all, you know, all the judgment and everything
• 45:34
  Speaker 1: that comes along with being in the public eye in
• 45:39
  Speaker 1: in terms of your relationship. So um, I think I
• 45:43
  Speaker 1: one hundred percent include them every single time when it
• 45:46
  Speaker 1: comes to success Force society too. So you know, it's
• 45:50
  Speaker 1: funny when whenever we were talking to Ashley Ashley Ashley
• 45:53
  Speaker 1: Ebert Rosenbaum, Yeah, and she had mentioned all the you know,
• 45:58
  Speaker 1: the kind of like the eight that she got online
• 46:01
  Speaker 1: when they were splitting up. Imagine starting your relationship with that, right,
• 46:06
  Speaker 1: So like you're kind of coming into it sort of
• 46:09
  Speaker 1: in this situation. That's so it's it's almost I wouldn't
• 46:12
  Speaker 1: say it's almost understandable, because it's not understandable at all,
• 46:15
  Speaker 1: but it's almost like you can say, oh, wow, I
• 46:17
  Speaker 1: guess I get it at the end because people are like,
• 46:19
  Speaker 1: why do you let it happen? Type of thing? And yeah,
• 46:22
  Speaker 1: you know glasshouses people, they're living glass houses strow stones, right,
• 46:25
  Speaker 1: So but it's like for someone to kick start their
• 46:27
  Speaker 1: relationship like that. It had to be so challenging. So
• 46:31
  Speaker 1: I feel like there's something to be said about that.
• 46:33
  Speaker 1: You know, I think you make it through the fire
• 46:34
  Speaker 1: and you get to the other side and it's pretty awesome. Yeah, yeah,
• 46:38
  Speaker 1: I agree, And I would go so far as to
• 46:41
  Speaker 1: say I think they are the couple that probably had
• 46:45
  Speaker 1: the most trauma to deal with in the beginning, because
• 46:48
  Speaker 1: I think you chose somebody else, right, I don't think
• 46:51
  Speaker 1: there's anybody else who chose someone else. And then, um,
• 46:55
  Speaker 1: you know, well already didn't already do that? Already did that?
• 46:58
  Speaker 1: Thenybody so many do it, but he did ad mid
• 47:01
  Speaker 1: season exactly. It wasn't like after the final rows and
• 47:06
  Speaker 1: you know all of that. I mean, yes, definitely, Ari
• 47:09
  Speaker 1: I think and Lauren have done yeah story, yes, yeah,
• 47:16
  Speaker 1: that is a very good Um. But you're right though,
• 47:18
  Speaker 1: I mean I think to come through it, anybody to
• 47:21
  Speaker 1: come through it, I mean there's a lot of pressure,
• 47:23
  Speaker 1: and you know, any relationship in the public eye obviously,
• 47:26
  Speaker 1: you know my I got married to an actress and
• 47:29
  Speaker 1: it was very much in the public eye. And it
• 47:30
  Speaker 1: wasn't from the show, but it was it was still
• 47:33
  Speaker 1: felt like a lot of pressure, you know. So, I
• 47:35
  Speaker 1: mean it was one of those things where you know,
• 47:37
  Speaker 1: it's kind of nice to have that anonimitie once in
• 47:39
  Speaker 1: a while again, and you know, every every now and
• 47:42
  Speaker 1: then you know you have it. But I think for
• 47:44
  Speaker 1: those two, I think they you know, they were trial
• 47:46
  Speaker 1: by fire for sure, so to make it through it.
• 47:49
  Speaker 1: I'm very happy for them, and I'm glad he was
• 47:51
  Speaker 1: on the show, and I'm excited that maybe I can
• 47:53
  Speaker 1: you know, maybe he'll send me a copy of Poop
• 47:55
  Speaker 1: Poo Book and it'll be helpful. Yeah, that's right, I'm
• 47:59
  Speaker 1: sure you will. I'm sure must you just forgot, you
• 48:02
  Speaker 1: must have forgot. The other guy totally forgot. Yeah, it happens,
• 48:06
  Speaker 1: can happen, all right? Bye, No, you're like, I have
• 48:11
  Speaker 1: my signed copy. Yeah, well, I love you, Tristan Sutter,
• 48:16
  Speaker 1: and please give Ryan and Blakesley. I'm a boy Max
• 48:20
  Speaker 1: who just you know, it's Blakesley's birthday to day, Happy birthday.
• 48:26
  Speaker 1: You know. I saw that post you put um of
• 48:29
  Speaker 1: you and her standing with each other, and God has
• 48:31
  Speaker 1: a beautiful post. I loved it, very very nice, very sweet.
• 48:35
  Speaker 1: So happy birthday this weekend my baby girl who's had
• 48:39
  Speaker 1: you know, a full face of makeup because she was dancing.
• 48:41
  Speaker 1: But she doesn't need that. She's got you by the game.
• 48:45
  Speaker 1: She's thurteen. I gotta used to say she's fourteen. She's fourteen.
• 48:50
  Speaker 1: I have a fourteen and a fifteen year old. How
• 48:52
  Speaker 1: is that possible? It's not possible because I'm still thirty, right, Yes, yes,
• 48:56
  Speaker 1: you absolutely are, and so am I and I a
• 49:00
  Speaker 1: four year old and one and a half yearl because
• 49:01
  Speaker 1: that's when I was supposed to do that. That's right,
• 49:04
  Speaker 1: that's right. Okay, you know what your normal is? Normal?
• 49:07
  Speaker 1: It's all yeah, everybody's there. I got their own normal.
• 49:10
  Speaker 1: I suppose it's right. But I always love doing this
• 49:12
  Speaker 1: with you. I'm so excited. We're gonna be doing this
• 49:14
  Speaker 1: so much more moving forward over the next few weeks,
• 49:16
  Speaker 1: over the next few months, it's gonna be a whole
• 49:18
  Speaker 1: lot more regular. So make sure you're still tuning in
• 49:20
  Speaker 1: and check it out. Everything we got to to bring
• 49:23
  Speaker 1: to you, guys, and as always, thanks for joining us here.
• 49:28
  Speaker 1: Almost thank you, see like, oh jeez,