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Episode 11: Ahsoka Tano and Asajj Ventress: More Alike than You May Think! · Most Things Kenobi - A Star Wars Podcast

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  Hello. Then it's time for most things
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  Kenobi. Shouldn't it be all things
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  Kenobi. Hmm.
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  Hi everyone, welcome to another episode of most things Kenobi, a
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  podcast, but Obi-Wan Kenobi, and all things Star Wars.
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  I'm your host Lauren, and I'm your host Leanne, and this week,
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  A very rare treat for us, but because of that, because we're
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  in the room together, you might hear a little more Mike bleed
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  than usual. We're trying very hard not to
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  talk over each other this time. But you will definitely probably
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  hear a little bit of audio difference in this episode.
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  Maybe another episode or two. We're going to try and record a
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  few today so we apologize for any changes but we are doing our
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  But on a more positive note, it's been an absolute treat
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  getting to visit with you and see you for as long as we have
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  this. This go around.
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  It has been so much fun. We've watched Rogue one Empire
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  Strikes Back this morning. We went from Return of the Jedi
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  and a lot of Clone Wars it has been Fabulous.
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  We've done lots of other great things as well.
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  It's true. We got our fix.
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  Of course. Yeah, delicious outings on the
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  town. And yeah, it's been fantastic.
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  Thank you for hosting the course.
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  And if any of you out there listening and you follow us on
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  social media, we've been posting pretty regularly about our our
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  adventures in Star Wars land. And what we've been doing
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  together is we kind of hang out for the past couple of days.
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  Days. Yeah and I've finally got to
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  hold Leanne's Princess Leia lightsaber and it was amazing.
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  Pretty nice lightsaber isn't it? It's Hefty it's super Hefty.
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  I was very impressed with it you could really do some damage she
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  could have yes hell yes you could have way is a goddess.
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  So what we're going to talk about today is kind of
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  interesting. It's something that You know, we
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  tossed between each other. Is this something we want to
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  delve into? And it's kind of got an
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  interesting angle and it's not something that you see all the
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  time. It's the comparison.
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  Well, the comparing and contrasting of the two
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  characters, Ahsoka, Tano and asajj, Ventress.
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  And we've done some research and they are very alike but they
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  have quite a few differences as well.
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  And we really start to see them come together in.
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  You know, the episodes, where Ahsoka In the Clone Wars ends up
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  leaving the Jedi Order and leaving everyone behind and you
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  know culminates in the episode where we all cry.
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  We watch these episodes for research and we avoided that one
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  because we couldn't take in the name of research.
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  We went ahead re-watched, all of it and kind of discussed as we
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  were watching. Well, number one, how handsome,
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  Anakin and Obi-Wan are number two.
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  How How shall I say it? How difficult Ventress and
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  Ahsoka, their lives were and their lives became?
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  And that is their biggest similarity between the two
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  characters. Is there the amount of loss they
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  both experienced and how that set them on their path first?
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  I mean, it's kind of obvious if you re-watch the episode but I
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  hadn't watched it for a long time.
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  And it really occurred to me, when we were recording our
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  episode about what makes a good Jedi.
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  And we were talking about Ahsoka and how she found her own path
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  and kind of lives by her own code after she leaves the Jedi.
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  And it made me realize, that's exactly what Ventress does.
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  You know, she gets betrayed by her master.
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  She goes through a time of self-discovery and comes out the
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  other end, you know, the Bounty Hunter living by her own code,
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  kind of not subscribing to the Jedi or the Sith or anybody, she
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  lives by her own rules and that's kind of what Ahsoka did,
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  right? And Maybe a different set of
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  rules between the two of them, but you could say that they
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  definitely lived on their own doing what they thought they
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  needed to do to survive. And it's all because as we know,
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  Ventress was betrayed by Dooku and Ahsoka was betrayed by the
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  Jedi Order. When they just you know, assumed
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  she was the guilty party who bombed the temple as we took as
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  we Find out its barest. But you know, after that trust
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  is broken. There's, there's no going back.
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  And it struck me when we're watching the episode the other
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  day that once this chain of events starts rolling, like a
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  Sokka maybe even not knowing it could never return to the life
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  she had before. You know, she's on the Run,
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  she's trying to clear her name and it's like, even when she
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  clears her name. Her path is totally different
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  from then on, she can never go back.
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  That's really was kind of crushing.
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  It's very sad. I mean, Ecologically speaking,
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  these two went through hell. And at the hands of people they
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  thought they trusted or is could trust and that's pretty awful,
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  but they're both survivors, you know, by any means necessary.
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  I guess obviously Ahsoka subscribe to a more Kinder
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  gentler set of self-imposed rules, you know and asajj was
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  just I mean she could have been way more ruthless considering
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  how awful her life was but she kind of tamed herself if she
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  toned it down solutely. I mean, it's so kind of lives by
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  for the greater good Rule and Ventures lives for like a
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  self-preservation. But when we re Watch the
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  episodes about Ventress, and I don't blame her all of the Lost
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  she suffered and all of the devastation that she experienced
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  even returning to death and mirror thinking it was going to
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  be a safe haven for her and really it like brought
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  destruction to her people. I mean, I don't think it's that
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  far. Patch that you would just kind
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  of like live for herself from then on and keep it like small
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  and tight and close to the vest, all the time.
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  And the guilt, she felt when all of the nightsisters died
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  quote-unquote, because of her, she carried that with her and
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  I'm sure. I am sure well, we get a little
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  of it. In EK Johnson's book Ahsoka,
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  where Ahsoka feels guilt after Order 66 that she made it out
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  and she knows, or at least assumes that most of her.
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  Her. I mean, Anakin and Obi-Wan.
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  She's never quite sure. I mean, until later on that,
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  they're still alive or they died, she assumes, they died
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  because she can't connect with them through the force and she
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  tried several times. So she just assumed you know but
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  still kept a little help a lot. Yeah that's interesting.
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  I've never read that book. Would you recommend it?
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  I would it's a good. It's a good back story.
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  Filler. It kind of it's a bridge if you
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  will. I've heard it's a little
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  different than what happened and see if his season seven because
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  I guess she was going off. Just like script treatments but
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  that it's fairly close this close enough.
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  I mean Clone Wars. They did a fantastic job so
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  can't get better than that. So What do we know about asajj
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  Ventress? Her life began as she was
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  payment. She was sold into slavery or
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  traded into slavery in as a means to keep the nightsisters
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  safe in a way that isn't. It's described in Wikipedia but
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  it's not you don't quite get it from the episode in the Clone
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  Wars. She's then discovered.
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  As having this tremendous Power by a Jedi who takes her under
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  his wing and trains her to be his Padawan.
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  He dies in front of her and she goes, kind of ballistic and
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  starts to seek revenge on the Jedi and then is picked up
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  eventually by Dooku and good. Old palps, who's always
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  searching. He's always looking for a new
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  person to destroy ya. Soul to take in crush Well, and
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  it's sad because I it's interesting that they never
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  really talked about from the Jedi perspective, like what they
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  think of asajj, maybe they didn't know she existed because
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  I forget her her master's name. Chi something right, he
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  crash-lands on her planet, the planet that she's been taken to
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  as a slave and her slave masters killed.
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  And then he this Jedi takes over her.
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  Care and training. So maybe it he was crash-landed
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  there and was never able to reconnect with the Jedi and I
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  guess Wikipedia said that as such thought that the Jedi had
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  abandoned him and that's why she despised the Jedi, but I wonder
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  if the Jedi ever knew that she was training to be a Jedi if
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  they only knew that she was a Sith.
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  And that's why they well and then we get in dark disciple.
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  We get that the Jedi want to use her in their classic manner.
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  I won't spoil the book for anyone who hasn't read it.
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  It's definitely good. It's a good read.
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  That one is good especially if you like Quinlan Vos also.
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  He's so great in that we didn't get enough Voss, we didn't, but
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  we did get beautiful. He's someone we need to talk
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  about in a separate episode. Yes, because he's he has his
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  power. Our is different and unique,
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  it's very interesting. He's a character in and of
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  itself you and I were talking when we were watching the
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  episode of him and Obi-Wan and Ziro.
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  The Hutt one of my favorite episodes.
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  Yeah, ever that him and Obi-Wan probably have a lengthy back.
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  A story that I would love to just make up.
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  Yeah, as we go because you and I were already starting to do
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  that. It's so true.
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  I have like ideas for fixed with them because They were padawans
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  around the same time and there's always talk and like,
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  novelizations and comic books that they have a history, but no
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  one ever talks about what it is. It's just, the way Obi-Wan seems
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  totally annoyed with him. But like, you can tell that he's
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  not really, just kind of like, that's the role he assumes.
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  They're comfortable enough to throw Jabs at each other.
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  Yes. Knowing that okay, it's safe to
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  throw a jab at this one because of whatever are lengthy
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  backstory is when I love that Voss has that Line.
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  That's like right out of the Big Lebowski where he says, well
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  that's like your opinion man. Yeah exactly.
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  Oh, I wonder if someone on the Clone Wars team was a closet
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  Lebowski fan. Who maybe I am not a closet
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  Lebowski fan. I am an out-and-proud Lebowski.
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  We are both very proud Lebowski so we would have automatically
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  think that when we look. Yeah.
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  See that, that episode. And didn't we talk about Jeff
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  Bridges? In the day, filoni episode.
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  I did my, I don't remember what you want, but This is what
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  happens behind the scenes when we watch them, we go we go off
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  on tangents together by ourselves when there's no
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  microphone in front of our face. Exactly.
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  That's why the podcast is a natural step for us.
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  Okay. So that's a sausages background
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  in a nutshell. Then we have ahsoka's Oh my God.
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  Yeah, found by a Jedi, they're young mr.
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  Plow Coon little Soka little Soka my heart.
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  I know I know and then when you know when the whole Jedi Who
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  Knew Too Much or whatever that Arc is called they send of
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  course Anakin and blow to track down Ahsoka.
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  I just think that's pretty heartbreaking.
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  That is pure manipulation on her emotions to try and talk her
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  down off a ledge. If you will, by using the two
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  people that are closest in meaning the most Her with no
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  thought of what emotional toll. It would take on the two
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  characters who love her the most going after her.
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  Yeah, fucking Council. Funny Castle.
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  Peace is a lie bitch. On this is a this is why but I
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  digress. Yes.
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  Yes, so once Ahsoka is brought to the temple, I guess we don't
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  really know what happens between when she's a baby basically.
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  It when she becomes Padawan, but ob1 thought she was going to be
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  his Padawan. You see in the Clone Wars movie
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  and then Yoda decides that she's going to be Anakin's Padawan and
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  the rest is history as they say, then she gets basically, I would
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  say, betrayed by the Jedi who in her most moment of most need,
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  they do not stand by her and in fact, they turn their backs on
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  her until the proof is irrefutable and then they can't
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  deny that. It wasn't her that committed the
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  crime, but she is strong enough to realize that this life.
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  Is not for her. She leaves she goes off on her
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  own, she helps Boca tan, and the Mandalore What is that called
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  again? The mandala.
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  What is the Mandalore Arc in season 7 called the best thing
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  I've ever seen? Oh sorry, that's not the working
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  title but should be no I don't know the the name of the siege
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  of Mandalore that's it. There it is.
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  And then we see her again in Rebels.
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  We see her again in the Mandalorian just Ahsoka is
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  permeating, all parts of Star Wars now and it's pretty amazing
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  her. Her Arc to becoming the strong
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  independent character, who doesn't need any kind of group
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  or approval from anybody, she lives by our own code.
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  And you see that really clearly in the Mandalorian, she's got
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  her goal. Going after thrawn, I guess is
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  what she's doing next? Which I'm interested to see how
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  they're going to pull in Timothy, zahn's stuff.
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  It's going to be interesting, but yeah, massage doesn't last,
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  as long as this. Okay, we just you bad. but she
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  went the way that I would say, she went the way that, that
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  would be the most dignified for her character, doing her thing
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  on her terms, Which, I mean, that's all she probably ever,
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  really wanted. Was, I mean, she craved to
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  belong somewhere. She couldn't belong with the
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  nightsisters. She couldn't belong with the
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  Jedi. She couldn't belong with the
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  Sith. She became a bounty hunter,
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  didn't quite belong there though.
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  She fit in quite well. And then, you know, she took it
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  upon herself to just do her thing and yes and did badly.
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  But at the same time I mean, we don't know ahsoka's and But I'm
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  going to go ahead and guarantee. It's going to be on her terms.
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  And it's she's going to go the way that Ahsoka Tano deserves to
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  go, which is probably doing something selfless God.
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  I hope they don't show us that I don't want to see anymore.
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  It's bad enough having to see Luke Han and Leia, everyone else
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  that was God awful. But yeah, you're so right about
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  asajj wanting to it's like talk about from childhood never
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  having a home. Now, Ever officially being safe
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  anywhere. And she just seemed to keep
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  craving it. Wherever she went.
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  And finally, when she goes off on her own, and accepts being
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  alone and accepts the life that she makes now.
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  That's when she gets pulled back in, it's like The Godfather,
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  right? Every time I'm up, they pull me
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  back. Yes, and she like gets used up
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  chewed up and spit out by the Jedi Council like so many other
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  characters. which is sad because I'll be one is a part of that,
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  but Obi-Wan always had respect for Ventress, which I find
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  interesting a lot of people's ship them, we're not here to
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  like really comment on that, but I could see why the fan art for
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  that ship is really good. I've seen some you've sent me
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  some. Yes, very nice.
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  It's a lot more Saucy. It's is Ventress Obi-Wan side
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  piece. I can't see it.
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  We will allow you to refrain from making a comment, but we'll
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  just put that coming in at their bosses girl, but nobody's side
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  piece. Hey, interpret it.
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  How you will? I know a lot of people are
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  really opposed to that because of Satine, but I just say
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  nothing is written in stone anywhere.
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  Now, it's fun. It's fun to talk about.
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  That's what fandom and shipping is about as Is like taking
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  what's Cannon and going off on site and guilty pleasures.
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  That's why people write Fanfictions.
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  Yeah. I mean, I shit myself with a
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  knocking every day so sorry padmé.
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  Yeah, right. Padme's.
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  A nice lady and everything but Luke and Leia's mother.
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  I respect. Yes.
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  But come on. Sorry, don't apologize.
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  My mother listening. Yeah and mom doesn't know what
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  the word shipped means. I apologize.
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  That's true. Actually I've used that term
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  with a few people who aren't fans of people in there just
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  like are you saying shit you shit then some I do We won't get
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  into those. No, no, no.
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  When you ship somebody, it's when you want to characters to
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  have a relationship, that's basically what it boils down to,
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  it's a verb. Yes, to ship to someone.
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  Does that help? Well, I don't, I don't
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  necessarily ship Obi-Wan and asajj Ventress, but I do love
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  there. Are reluctant respect for each
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  other. Yes, same, I'm not opposed to
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  this ship. I don't like ship at hardcore
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  anything but I'm not offended by it when I see it.
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  I think that they make sense together because they're very
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  similar in their determination and like, she despises the fact
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  that he's always in a cheerful mood.
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  Yes, which is hilarious. Yeah, because he's the pain
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  Obi-Wan It feels inside is, is a direct contradiction to that
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  outward happiness. She's picking up on, it's so
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  true. Well, there that's why Revenge.
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  The episode revenge is so great because they're, they're just
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  mocking each other ruthlessly. The entire time I want that back
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  Red's, not my color anyway, they need each other, right?
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  They wouldn't have gotten out of that situation without each
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  other, and I think it's It's quite delightful to watch them
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  play off of each other. It's a guilty pleasure.
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  Yeah. And we didn't get enough of it.
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  No, we got a good amount but not that like one-on-one, they're
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  like Never Alone Together true. And I think that is fun although
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  in its non-canon. But I was telling you about this
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  the other day, there's like Dark Horse Comics where their
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  relationship is quite terrifying because she's like tortures him
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  and she's quite brutal in the in the Older Comics that makes
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  sense, though. Yeah.
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  And it's probably because maybe her backstory didn't exist yet.
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  So there wasn't compassion for Ventress.
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  She was just like an evil villain who did Evil things.
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  So it's pretty cool to watch that her Arc has changed so much
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  and she's really very developed. Since we're talking about
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  Ventress and her back story and how she came to be and she's
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  quite brutal and some comics, and you know, Stasi in the Clone
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  Wars, did you happen to know and do our listeners happen to know
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  that her tattoos on her head actually have significant
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  meaning, which I find extremely interesting because I love
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  symbolism and the detail they put.
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  Right. So when her master her Jedi
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  Master kind Eric, you actually? Yes, it is Kai nice when he
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  died. She decided to go after you
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  know, a little basically everybody but she really said,
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  I'm done with the Jedi overall. She tattooed her skull as we
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  know it from the Clone Wars 12 marks.
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  One for each of the 12 Warlords. She killed after swearing their
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  deaths on the planet where they resided where she and her master
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  were and we're training and the ones that ended up killing him.
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  So dang, that's funny. I didn't know that.
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  That is ruthless and that is amazing.
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  And I never heard that before. It's, it's very awesome.
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  I love little details like that, which add depth to a character.
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  But only if you know, right, like she just looks badass with
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  her head tattoos, right? You just she's that bald.
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  Yeah, she's actually beautiful but like she has that imposing
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  like but actually she wears it as a badge, that's the thing
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  that's so interesting with her as every Reincarnation of her.
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  She just Embraces it fully without question.
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  And then on the flipside, comparing it to a Sokka, her
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  beaded chain, representing her tied to the Jedi, she ripped off
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  and got rid of. So, asajj is adding something to
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  her after, you know, her leaving the Jedi.
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  If you will, we're leaving that path behind and Ahsoka is
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  removing a piece. That's true.
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  But also she uses her markings as the full Akram symbol when
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  she becomes part of the underground resistance.
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  Yeah. In Rebels and it's become a
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  symbol of. It's it's become a symbol as
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  part of, you know, as a part of the rebellion in its most
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  earliest stages. And Beyond, oh, I was going to
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  say that. It's also become a symbol.
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  It started becoming a symbol I guess, and season 7, of Clone
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  Wars, where all of the Clones paint that symbol on their
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  helmets And now it's become a huge symbol in.
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  Fandom people have it embroidered on t-shirts, and
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  sweatshirts, and hats. And mugs, we just watch the her
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  Universe fashion show and Ashley Eckstein walked out in her, you
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  know, goddess outfit. My God, that was amazing.
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  The Cape the, the whole thing, she took the hood, all out, like
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  she removed the hood, like an age, any Jedi would.
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  It's like, I'm Chillin thinking about it.
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  You've see, I'm sure the comparison of when Obi-Wan His
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  robes with the woman from the Anastasia car tumors like
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  Grandma moth. Yes, I've seen it and I love it.
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  I always think of that, when a Jedi removes their Hood, I'm
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  always thinking of the anesthesia cart.
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  Yes, but yeah, it's my God, that outfit, I wanted the like cuff
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  around the ankle, the sparkly heels.
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  The fulcrum symbol on the back, it was amazing.
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  Of course she wore it well with that hair, the Ahsoka hair, you
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  know, which is just so cool. We're on a tangent.
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  Yes, but the symbol but I mean Ahsoka has played by Ashley, so
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  it's okay guys in. Yes, but the symbol has become
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  something so much more. Which I mean, obviously asajj,
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  Ventress is head tattoos of death.
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  I'm not going to become a symbol for.
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  I would wear something with those but her universe made
• 23:39
  adventurous clothing. That's true.
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  So they handle like workout leg workout living within the bra.
• 23:44
  Yeah, that was really cool. I love the colors.
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  There is a pin coming out because I'm, you know, addicted
• 23:51
  to pins now. Pin Master lady is doing a pan
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  with, I can't remember who the other person is.
• 23:57
  But they're doing a light side and a dark side asajj, and one
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  of their shops is selling light side and the other selling the
• 24:03
  dark side. And they're so amazing.
• 24:04
  It's that one of the like, with she's like wrapped in her
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  costume. In like, it's sticking a
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  fluttering up behind her and she's got the hair and its
• 24:13
  really good at such as art is so great.
• 24:16
  Sometimes, it's, there's some really beautiful, beautiful
• 24:20
  characterizations of her with, with hair without hair.
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  R. Yes, she's always a badass and
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  the voice actress Nika. Futterman amazing.
• 24:31
  Amazing. Does it is?
• 24:32
  It's nice noodles. Yes.
• 24:35
  From the 1403. So good, Ciro my love muffin.
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  I'm terrible at imitating her, but I love her.
• 24:47
  Oh, good. What did they do to you?
• 24:50
  Oh my God. Those two characters together
• 24:52
  are just So hilarious I can't I can't take the throaty like
• 24:57
  gravelly voice of Passage and then Matt dear you know that
• 25:02
  came out of the same person. It's amazing to me.
• 25:04
  It's like how I can't understand how James Arnold Taylor is 0, b,
• 25:09
  1 and rako, hardeen, right? Like the voice and he said he
• 25:14
  doesn't, they don't put like a filter on him.
• 25:16
  He does that he has to like lower his voice.
• 25:19
  In active voice actors blow my mind, amazing talent.
• 25:22
  All of M0 of them. Yes, I don't know how it's that.
• 25:25
  Oh and we're saying Matt Lanter, does does the voice of the
• 25:30
  lizard? Monkey monkey lizard?
• 25:32
  Yeah. Hondo ohnaka.
• 25:34
  Yes. Which I mean if you listen to it
• 25:36
  and you picture Lantern it like Bravo, I want to see footage of
• 25:42
  that same same So for this week's question, we want to turn
• 25:48
  the conversation over to you guys.
• 25:49
  As always we want to know, what do you think is the greatest
• 25:54
  similarity between Ahsoka and asajj?
• 25:57
  Yes, head on over to our socials and let us know what you think.
• 26:00
  We'd love to hear your opinion. So when it comes to readers
• 26:16
  comments this week, I have to read the first two comments.
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  We got on our, on our YouTube, because they're very, very
• 26:24
  similar. And I don't think it's a
• 26:26
  coincidence. The first comment by m h says, I
• 26:29
  love Dave through the stories. He tells he is truly a master of
• 26:33
  Star Wars and our good friend. I were night also says about
• 26:37
  Dave, I just really love Dave's knack for adventure.
• 26:40
  Story telling all the plot lines in the clone wars were always so
• 26:43
  much fun. One and we're never repetitive
• 26:46
  and see, that's the thing. I think Lauren and I would both
• 26:50
  agree with our friends who are commenting here on YouTube and
• 26:53
  across all of our socials that Dave just has a way with
• 26:57
  storytelling. He has taken some of the most
• 27:00
  wonderful characters that we know in Star Wars and made them
• 27:04
  even deeper in even greater and even more heroic and even more
• 27:08
  evil and he's just excellent at what he does.
• 27:12
  He's a master at his craft and it shows.
• 27:14
  In his works, not just in the Clone Wars, but most recently
• 27:18
  with the Mandalorian and all of the works to come.
• 27:21
  So thank you. Dave once again and we are so
• 27:24
  excited to see what the future holds join us next week, because
• 27:33
  we're going to get a little deep.
• 27:35
  We're going to get a little depressing.
• 27:37
  We're going to talk about Obi-Wan and his relationship
• 27:40
  with Qui-Gon Jinn and how it affected him Alta mately all the
• 27:43
  way. Through what we know of him as a
• 27:45
  character in the Star Wars franchise.
• 27:49
  It's going to be painful, there's some good moments,
• 27:51
  there's some great moments but it's mostly painted but that's
• 27:55
  what Star Wars does best. Yes.
• 27:57
  And the relationship is beautiful.
• 28:00
  It is and it's weird complexity. It's beautiful and interesting
• 28:06
  and it's enduring. That's something you can say for
• 28:11
  sure. I'm really excited to see how
• 28:13
  it's going to come up in the Kenobi series.
• 28:15
  Yes. Because oh my God.
• 28:19
  They got to give us. They got to give us that
• 28:21
  because, you know, Kenobi just sat on Tatooine watching,
• 28:25
  Overlook thinking about things the whole time he was there
• 28:28
  looking over Luke well and that's like, the last thing that
• 28:31
  you would have says to him in Revenge of the Sith.
• 28:34
  So we see it. Please like, how he's I have
• 28:37
  training for you how to connect with Qui gonn?
• 28:39
  Well, let's see that, please. Yes, please.
• 28:43
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• 28:46
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