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761. From Survival Mode to Intentional Leadership: How Trauma Shapes Workplace Culture with Beth Jones · Daily Influence

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  [SPEAKER_02]: Welcome to Daily Influence.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: I'm Greg Clino.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: Today, we're joined by Beth Jones, a leadership performance strategist, speaker, author, and founder of Empowered Survivors.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: After spending more than 30 years leading high stakes forensic investigations across 35 countries, actually it's over 35 countries.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: that discovered something powerful.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: Many leadership struggles are not strategy problems, they are survival patterns showing up under pressure.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: Today, Beth helps high performing leaders recognize how behaviors like control, over performance, burnout, and emotional distance can quietly shape workplace culture, communication and decision making.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: Through her heel framework, she teaches leaders how to move from reactive leadership into intentional and powered influence.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: This conversation is especially relevant for business owners, executives, and anyone who wants to lead with greater awareness, accountability, and impact.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: Beth, welcome to the influence.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: I'm so excited to have you here today.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, thank you so much for having me.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Very happy to be here.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: You know, but you've spent decades investigating fraud and interviewing people in incredibly high pressure and environments looking back what experiences most shaped your understanding of human behavior and leadership under pressure and also share a little bit more about your background with our listeners.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: My background is doing all of those years of friends at accounting investigations, but I worked on some very large company defining precedent setting cases.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: including way back in the days, some derivative litigation that came off of the Enron scandals, Tann and some other marquee cases like that since then, in other areas, one thing that I have learned in recent years is that I spent a lot of time with people who had their backs against the wall, high-stakes situations.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: They were people who had either done something wrong and people were asking them questions.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: or they had information about someone who had done something wrong.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: And so I've seen the protective, the reactive, protective kind of behavior that comes out in those types of situations.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: And then of course, 32 years in the professional environment, I've experienced a lot of leaders and managers myself, right?
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Some better than others.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: But I had the opportunity, it's almost six years ago now to go through a life altering event that sent me
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  [SPEAKER_01]: took me into a very deep place of self-discovery and while the first part of that was very much focused on myself as a human being and a person, you can't help go through that experience in question while did that kind of stuff show up in my leadership style, right?
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  [SPEAKER_01]: So it's all of that together that's given me this lens and to be able to
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  [SPEAKER_01]: do some of that forensic analysis and talking to people on where their leadership patterns might be might be challenging them, which of course I've experienced myself.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and that's so fascinating about your journey is that you're not just studying behavior and others, you began recognizing some of those patterns in yourself.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: And you've talked openly about realizing that survival driven behaviors like control over performance and emotional distance were influencing your own leadership.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: What was the turning point that made you step back and say, I need to lead differently?
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Yes, I get this question a lot and I get it phrase this way, too, right, the turning point or the moment and what.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: When I was say about this is it's a slow burn.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: It's something you wake up to one day and go, oh.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Like, you know, this is I need to do something that are not a great leader or I could be a better leader or a more effective leader and I don't think anybody wakes up to that epiphany one day and you know as I was saying a little bit earlier with respect to my own personal journey, I spent a lot of time healing myself from trauma abuse that goes back to my childhood and just a lot of trauma that carried on through my life for about 45 years and I lived with a lot of survival patterns.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: personally that we're showing up in the workplace will it takes a while to unwind that and get back down even into what the root cause of my own personal behavior was and then you go over and wake up when I guess maybe that is the turning point you do wake up one day and go oh well maybe that was impacting me as a leader as well right and you know I still don't think I ever had that epiphany moment it was more of a slow burn I will say that when I was going through my healing journey
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  [SPEAKER_01]: I was forced into some situations from professional perspective where I had to connect with people around me for reasons of accountability and responsibility because of the position that I held when I was going through my own personal experience which was it did begin in a moment so I had a life altering event that like literally flip my world upside down with a matter with a matter of hours and so on the back side of that just being in this very deep
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  [SPEAKER_01]: and dark and desolate place because of the responsibility that I had in my job.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: I had to reach out for help and this is, you know, it's one of those things that I've learned and I talked to leaders about.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, your personal act doesn't stop just because you're in the workplace, right?
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  [SPEAKER_01]: But and you shouldn't try to, you know, when you have your own personal challenges or in this case for me, it was actually a crisis.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: You shouldn't try to separate that from work.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: You can't, because it's living inside of you.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: And so I had some great experience is actually reaching out to people and getting a help that I needed to be able to still do the work that I was meant to be doing within the organization.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: And what I found is people just coming back to me, actually receiving me with open arms is probably the way that I would put it and engaging me with in ways that were completely
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Unexpected and that too was another lens on so seeing myself in becoming a different type of leader
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  [SPEAKER_01]: I think part of that was because I was moving into a place of, you know, all of those best words today about being authentic and real and true.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: And I still not quite sure that we actually know what that means because if you haven't experienced it, me, I was forced into a place of vulnerability.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: And, you know, I'm a truth teller and a truth seeker.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: That's what I had done for so long and was doing both.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: professionally and you know I'm now done that personally and so for me to not tell the truth about what was happening to me was just very incongruent with who I am and so I was you know very open and transparent about it and that's really when my leadership style I think began to shift because I was truly being vulnerable and authentic and that helped me to connect with people in a very different way.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: I became human which I think is what vulnerability and authenticity is really
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  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it really makes you relatable then.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Absolutely.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: So you develop the heel framework.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: Can you share with us what that is and how we can use it?
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: The heel framework is the practical approach to what it means to heal and it's based on my own healing journey, the how to, if you will, about how I
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  [SPEAKER_01]: I'm radically transformed my life personally first and then it's, you know, impacted me professionally, but I, it's really the process that I went through to free myself from the bondage that I lived in the suffering that I lived in as a result of the survival patterns that I was carrying that went back to when I was five and, you know, if you're studying now about.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: When we start to really develop our survival patterns when they say now they even I was reading something the other day that says it's actually starts happening in the womb right we're carrying that stuff with us, you know, forever and so.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: You know, the heel the heel framework is the process that I went through, but there's a practicality to it because it's based on my lived experience, it's not there think academic or clinical about it, there's not an magic bullet or you go to this therapy or read this book and you're going to be good.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: What I talk about, the word heal for me is an accrimant, and that means to hope evolve and love.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: And each of those components are active in the healing journey.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: And so I work with people on fostering hope.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: And while we do use daily affirmations, if that's something that resonates with someone, and they like those, and they should use them, I talk about it in a little bit deeper way, and more practically, and this is really about,
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  [SPEAKER_01]: seeing the improvement in yourself, seeing the improvement in people like me that are sharing our stories where you're really fueling yourself to know that transformation and change is possible because if you don't have
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  [SPEAKER_01]: that kind of fuel and healing journey, you'll quit before you make progress in it because the work that we do when we're evolving, the E evolve is really hard.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: And that's where we are taking a wide variety of healing tools and modalities.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Again, whatever works uniquely for us and that we connect with,
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  [SPEAKER_01]: and using those to do that deep self-discovery work that I talked about just a little while ago, and that's where it gets painful.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Because if you're someone like me and whether, you know, or even people who have suffered a, you know, more of the like little T-Tromb is the daily interactions with people that are painful, that we carry inside of us.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: You know, if that's regardless of where you are on the scale of what you've experienced, it's unique to you.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: And so
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  [SPEAKER_01]: uncover that and what you learn about yourself and your coping mechanisms, all of that is opening up the stuff that's been painful.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Hopefully, the goal is to try not to do it in a way that makes it more painful and triggering, but it is hard work because you're facing some very difficult realities about yourself.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: You know, there's the reality of these are the things that have happened to me, but there's the reality of this is the way that I behave.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: This is the way that I engage with
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  [SPEAKER_01]: And there's some pain to that.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: So that's what evolving is about and I help people to understand that process, what they're doing with their tools and to figure out what works for them and hopefully make some progress there.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: And then the A and heal is, for me, it's the word A and I call it the bridge because as you're evolving, you're taking off masks that aren't you.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: And as you begin to discover who you were always meant to be before trauma and human conditioning,
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  [SPEAKER_01]: And usually you find out you're a pretty cool person.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Then you start to foster self-love.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: And so as that evolving gives way into seeing yourself for the wonderful human being, you are, you cross over that bridge and you're now in the love phase, which of course is L. And that's doing work to really understand what it means to show up in love and with love across a wide variety of relationships, including with yourself.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: It's not theoretical, what I'm telling people and what I teach people is the practicality of how do you do this, right?
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  [SPEAKER_01]: And a great example is dealing with relationships.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: When you get to that point, you look around you, probably some painful relationships that you have to figure out how you're going to deal with those.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Well, how do you do that in a loving way that serves both you and the other person without implicting more harm?
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  [SPEAKER_01]: That's not an easy thing to do, but that's one of the things that I work with people on.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: That's beautiful, thank you for sharing that.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and you often say that survival mode does not stay internal.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: It becomes a leadership style.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: What are some ways leaders unintentionally impact their teams when they are operating from survival patterns instead of intentional influence?
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  [SPEAKER_01]: One of my favorite examples is the inner critic because most of us have
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  [SPEAKER_01]: And if you're like me, mine was very loud and could be nasty at times for many years, not so much anymore, but could be.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: And I, you know, I see this coming out, you see that same tone, the voice, sometimes even the words, you can actually see that coming out in behaviors, right, the way that people treat other people.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: All right, and starts to project that same noise and the way that the inner critic speaks to ourselves, we now treating other people that same way.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Right, so that's a, you know, it's a great example.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: You know, I mean, perfectionism, right, that's a great example as well, right?
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  [SPEAKER_01]: And then the work environment, you know, we're, you know, particularly the environment that I came from where
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  [SPEAKER_01]: the end deliverable and I think a lot of organizations are like this where the stakeholders that are receiving the end deliverable expect a level of close to perfection.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, if you're somebody who prepares a board presentation or you prepare five or six slides in a big board presentation, you feel the pressure and you might have a manager who's putting that perfectionism pressure on you because heaven forbid there's be a spelling error and a board member sees it, right?
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  [SPEAKER_01]: I was helping to create where either ending up in a court in a litigation setting or they were going before the US government, whether it was the Department of Justice or the Securities Exchange Commission or the Department of Commerce or the same thing.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: So there's a lot of pressure to be perfect because of the environments that we live in to deliver to our clients, right?
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Well, I mean, that can create a tremendous, I mean, a lot of that perfectionism for those
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Our entire life, love came from being perfect.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: We thought we had to prove ourselves through perfectionism to receive love and that carries over into the way that we treat our people and what we expect and what we want the team to do.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: And that can be damaging in the way it's deliberate.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, some people can manage that right and they're kind in the way that they deal with their team.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: But sometimes that's not the case.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: And that pressure on the team of feeling that they have to
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Always performing get it right, but never being able to meet the standard can be can be troubling.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: And I mean, it can cause people to leave those types of things can.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, absolutely.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: They can and can you recommend any practical steps that leaders can take to recognize and interrupt those patterns before they affect the teams.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Yes, and one of them is if you're hearing me talk right now and you feel something inside of you, like you're interknowing the universe, right?
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  [SPEAKER_01]: God, whoever you wanna refer to it as is talking at you, that's what's happening.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Why did your own interknowing say, oh, this is probably me, right?
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  [SPEAKER_01]: And so, that's one way.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: I think other things that happened to us is, I will say that in the reason that I,
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  [SPEAKER_01]: actually went to a therapist because I wanted to get some help quote-unquote connecting with people.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: And it was for a benign reason because I had taken over a new job at work.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: And I just felt some friction there, right?
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  [SPEAKER_01]: And that, you know, that event completely flipped my world upside down.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: But I knew going into that that I was having trouble connecting with people, so I could look around if the relationships that I had professionally, but also personally, I was like this, it just
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Why it doesn't fit and but the only copy and denominator and all of those relationships was me and so it's things like that as well that are The indicators that there might be something in you in the way that you're showing up in the world That you need to look at and I would say you know if you have Those questions if you have those feelings inside of you
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  [SPEAKER_01]: It's like a, it's an opportunity to pull on that thread.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: And step forward, get curious to learn, why do I feel that way?
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  [SPEAKER_01]: And I've already told you that it might be painful, but it pain is not gonna last forever.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: And you're so much better on the other side of it because you get to learn how to actually show up and you learn how to lead, live, and love much better.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: It's worth it.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: Absolutely.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: One thing I appreciate about your work is that you connect self-awareness to roughly the leadership performance and trust.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and I think that's important.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: You know, just my experience coming through that environment and developing leaders over time and you know having been a developing leader and then the responsibility that I had later on my career for people who were becoming leaders.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: You know, whenever there is
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  [SPEAKER_01]: something that's challenging in the individual, our default is to talk about behaviors or skills development or, you know, and it really, for me, what I know today is that so much of that goes back to things that happened long before, anybody ever stepped into the office, as a young person who's coming into the workforce, and everything, and when I talk to people in the heel framework,
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  [SPEAKER_01]: No, it's all about self.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: The only time anybody else comes into play is in the way that we're interacting with them.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: But we only talk about that after we've done the work to have the self-awareness of why my side of the street in a relationship has been difficult.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: How is it contributed to the state of the relationship?
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  [SPEAKER_01]: That's the only time that we start doing that.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Because
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  [SPEAKER_01]: That's majority of what we're dealing with is self.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: And that's why I think self-awareness is absolutely key.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, absolutely.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: Many leaders are rewarded for behaviors that may actually be masking burnout or survival mode.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: How can someone tell the difference between healthy, high performance and performance driven by fear, pressure or unresolved patterns?
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  [SPEAKER_01]: So let's go back to the board presentation, the example
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Earlier, um, and let's say that the board presentation, your slides, make it all the way into the board's room and there's an error.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Let's say it's not just a spelling mistake.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Let's say there's errors in the numbers, right, a healthy.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: So if you're the one who's responsible for those slides or you're the one who's delivering the message to the person who created those slides and healthy response is to recognize that we are human.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: and there might be some opportunity to talk with the person who created those slides to say what happened.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Because you don't know what that person was dealing with, the day that they were putting them together or even the day they were doing the final review, you don't know what was happening at home, right, that might sick child, parent, maybe they just found out they're going to have to go through a divorce.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: You don't know what's happening with people.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: And so to be able to
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  [SPEAKER_01]: talk with that person in an empathetic and compassion way to get to a solution, right?
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  [SPEAKER_01]: You don't want it to happen again, of course.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: We need to fix it, right?
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  [SPEAKER_01]: And if it's got to be fixed immediately, new numbers, where you've got to go through that process, but doing with empathy and compassion to understand the human being first, that's a sign of coming at it from healthy leadership.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: When you're react and you're enter critic becomes the outside critic and you're getting yelled at or you're the one yelling and you're acting like the world is ending, right?
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  [SPEAKER_01]: that's not a healthy, that's not me.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: You're not you're not operating from healthy patterns when you're doing that.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: So it's just a good example of the differences there and the way that we would again show up in the relationship.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: And I think that example that naturally leads into how leaders can create healthier environments for others, not just themselves.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Yes, that's exactly right.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: And that goes back to, you know, I think the two key things that I've mentioned here,
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  [SPEAKER_01]: and then having to self-awareness to begin to be curious about those things that are happening in your life that don't feel good because that's probably an indicator that there's some work to do there.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, absolutely.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: If a business owner executive wants to build a more empowered and emotionally healthy culture inside the organization, where should they begin?
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  [SPEAKER_01]: That it's going to start with self.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: I just actually just put out a great article on this about tone at the top, you know, which, you know, on the flip side of, on the flip side of investigations is compliance structures that we have in organizations to keep people from doing things that cause investigations to happen.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: gets displayed in the organization because the way that leaders behave is what the way the organization is going to behave.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: It's culture building.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: And so, you know, if the leader wants to change the culture, they have to demonstrate it themselves.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: And that's where it has to begin and it can't just be a recording video message that's on, you know, someplace where employees can get to, they have to live it every single day.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: And so, if they
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  [SPEAKER_01]: don't have their outer critic running around yelling at people and just being difficult to work with.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: They need to look at themselves and are they, are they themselves behaving that way?
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  [SPEAKER_01]: But are they tolerating behavior in people that is not conducive to healthier environment?
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  [SPEAKER_01]: And so I actually think leaders have a greater responsibility because not only do we have responsibility for ourselves, but we have responsibility to demonstrate what healthy leadership looks like.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: I'm so amazed that phrase, tone at the top, right?
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  [SPEAKER_01]: You are the tone, et cetera.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: So what does that tone look like?
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  [SPEAKER_02]: hundred percent.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: You've spent your career helping people understand what happens under pressure, but your message today is really about possibility and transformation.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: In closing, if someone listening today realizes they've been leading from survival rather than intention, what encouragement would you give to them about their ability to change?
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  [SPEAKER_02]: And what is one intentional
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Well, my encouragement is that YouTube can heal, and that is ultimately the very simple, but powerful message that I'm here to spread with everybody who will listen to me.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: And you can, it's possible, I've done it.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: I am your living proof that it is possible.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: And the action that I would ask them to take today is to start getting curious and move in that direction
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  [SPEAKER_01]: and really what you're doing is you are approaching the starting of your healing journey, which is what will transform where you are today and move you to a very different place as you do the work.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: but this was such a meaningful conversation because it reminds us that leadership is not just about results.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: It's about awareness, responsibility, and the ripple effect that we create in the lives of others.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: And so many people are walking through Russia silently and today's discussion challenged us to pause and ask am I leading from survival or from intention?
• 24:52
  [SPEAKER_02]: If our listeners want to get in touch with you, what is the best way to do so?
• 24:55
  [SPEAKER_01]: The best way is to email me, yes, I'm going to invite you directly into my inbox and my email address is Beth at empowered survivors dot com that's also the website where you can go and learn more about me and you can find me on LinkedIn, YouTube and Substack by the handle at Beth Jones healing mentor.
• 25:18
  [SPEAKER_02]: Great, Beth will put this information to show notes.
• 25:21
  [SPEAKER_02]: Thank you so much for joining us and sharing your story and advice.
• 25:24
  [SPEAKER_02]: I'm so grateful for you and all the work that you're doing to make this world a better place.
• 25:29
  [SPEAKER_02]: Thank you Greg so much for having me on it's been delightful chatting with you.
• 25:33
  [SPEAKER_02]: And to everyone listening, I encourage you to take one intentional action this week, whether that is improving how you communicate your tone, becoming more aware of your reactions, under pressure, we're creating space for someone else to feel seen and heard because influence is not accidental.
• 25:51
  [SPEAKER_02]: It is something we choose every single day.
• 25:54
  [SPEAKER_02]: Thank you for joining us on daily influence and I hope today's conversation brought you insight and inspiration.
• 26:00
  [SPEAKER_02]: If it's spoke to you, please share it with someone who could use a little positivity today and follow us on your platform so we can continue bringing you this wonderful content.
• 26:10
  [SPEAKER_02]: Remember small actions, create big impact, keep showing up, leading and growing one day to time.
• 26:15
  [SPEAKER_02]: Until next time, stay inspired and keep having a positive responsible influence.
• 26:21
  [SPEAKER_02]: Bye-bye.