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The Curse of Frankenstein · Movie Meltdown

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  Speaker 5: What's up and welcome to Movie Meltdown. I'm Brian.
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  Speaker 1: And I'm David.
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  Speaker 5: And we are coming to you live via digital recording
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  Speaker 5: from Fandom Fest. once again we're still in louisville louisville
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  Speaker 5: has a lot of crazy events by the way we're
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  Speaker 5: in the hallway of dead people not the same one
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  Speaker 5: as years past we've done another episode in a hallway
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  Speaker 5: of old creepy dudes but this is a different there's
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  Speaker 5: a lot of old creepy dudes in this convention center
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  Speaker 5: these portraits are pretty creepy still i don't know that
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  Speaker 5: that old man over there not.
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  Speaker 7: Like the third one over there he looks like he's
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  Speaker 7: like i mean that looks like from A history book.
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  Speaker 1: That dude looks like some old.
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  Speaker 7: I think that's Solomon Cain. That Frenchman or something. That
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  Speaker 7: dude's got practically a tricorn on or something.
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  Speaker 1: So, how's it been?
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  Speaker 5: You've actually been here the whole run of it. You've
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  Speaker 5: been loitering at a table.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 5: There are a ton of people in costume this time.
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  Speaker 5: I feel like we were kind of slow getting going
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  Speaker 5: on that in years previous, but there's a lot of
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  Speaker 5: costumes this year.
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  Speaker 7: It's definitely getting... bigger and bigger and bigger it's just
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  Speaker 7: one of the things like if you're grumpy about it
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  Speaker 7: it's not going away like it's not going away like.
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  Speaker 1: It's actually picking up a whole lot of steam kind of.
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  Speaker 5: Like i feel like it's just going to take a
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  Speaker 5: turn like i feel like the geek thing's going to
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  Speaker 5: almost get to a level of normalcy that it's not
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  Speaker 5: a geek thing anymore like we i mean slowly since
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  Speaker 5: like you know 70s and 80s when we the geeks
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  Speaker 5: started grouping together and like But then you were the
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  Speaker 5: outcast little group of geeks. And like every once in
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  Speaker 5: a while they'd make a, you know, a Star Wars
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  Speaker 5: or a Superman movie or something. And you'd have something
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  Speaker 5: to rally around. But now that like we've gained momentum
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  Speaker 5: year after year, each generation, more and more kids got
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  Speaker 5: into that kind of stuff. And now I think that's
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  Speaker 5: just the, it's going to be the norm from this
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  Speaker 5: point on. And it's going to be.
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  Speaker 1: And it's such a wasteland. It's like this new frontier.
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  Speaker 5: Like there's no rules.
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  Speaker 7: I hear so many people give rules on like, you know,
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  Speaker 7: what it.
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  Speaker 5: Is or isn't.
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  Speaker 1: And it's just, man, there's no rules.
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  Speaker 5: I see people, you know, to me when it was like,
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  Speaker 5: it was just out of control. Now it's like when
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  Speaker 5: I saw people like cosplaying as fan art, like it
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  Speaker 5: wasn't even like the actual story anymore. It was like, Oh,
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  Speaker 5: someone did this fan pick of like someone, someone, so-and-so.
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  Speaker 1: And I dressed up like that. And it's like, wow.
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  Speaker 1: Then at this point you can just dress up as anything.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, literally anything.
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  Speaker 5: And just go, man, I'm fine with that. Again, because
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  Speaker 5: I feel like it is the like, unless you're doing
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  Speaker 5: a weird contest-y kind of thing, but if it's just
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  Speaker 5: come hang out, I do kind of like the fact
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  Speaker 5: that there are no rules. It's just like, whatever you're
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  Speaker 5: a dork about, this.
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  Speaker 8: Is your chance.
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  Speaker 1: Whatever you're confident walking around in, which means anything.
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  Speaker 5: This is your chance to show off everything, for some people. Yeah,
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  Speaker 5: that dude that was unloading up like 40 pieces of
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  Speaker 5: that mech suit that I'm assuming you saw him he's
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  Speaker 5: huge but like I was standing in the lobby and
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  Speaker 5: like he was unloading the pieces of it from the
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  Speaker 5: car and like it was many many trips he had
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  Speaker 5: to keep bringing things in and just make a pile
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  Speaker 5: in the lobby and go back out of the car
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  Speaker 5: and get more stuff and put them together and eventually
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  Speaker 5: he assembled himself like the robot he is and I
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  Speaker 5: was just like wow that is too much work like
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  Speaker 5: more power to you because it looked good but I'm
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  Speaker 5: just like that is a lot of work I've never
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  Speaker 5: seen a bumblebee I think it was a C2E2 a
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  Speaker 5: couple years ago in Chicago. No, it was like the
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  Speaker 5: new bug-looking thing when it literally almost looked like a bee.
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  Speaker 1: It was crazy. I mean, he had to be like
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  Speaker 1: eight foot tall. Things were lit. Things were moving. I
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  Speaker 1: was just like, wow.
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  Speaker 5: It wasn't that video we've all seen of the cardboard
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  Speaker 5: box dude that pops up out of him? Because that's
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  Speaker 5: pretty awesome, too. He does transform.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know.
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  Speaker 7: It's weird to me because it's like, I mean, I
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  Speaker 7: guess I started doing cons. Not consistently by any means,
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  Speaker 7: but my first conventions and stuff were in the 80s.
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  Speaker 9: And then, I'm.
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  Speaker 7: Not trying to sound like an old-timer, but if someone
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  Speaker 7: was in costume, then that meant they were going to
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  Speaker 7: be in what we called the masquerade at the time. Like,
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  Speaker 7: whatever your skit opportunity was, there would always be a
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  Speaker 7: point on Saturday where it was like, hey, you know,
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  Speaker 7: if you want to get on stage, you can get
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  Speaker 7: on stage.
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  Speaker 1: And so if people dressed up, it was for that.
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  Speaker 1: It was for a skit.
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  Speaker 5: They were going to do.
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  Speaker 7: And the snowball had to come from that. Eventually, it
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  Speaker 7: must have just been, hey, I'm just going to dress up.
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  Speaker 5: I'm just going to walk around like this all day.
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  Speaker 5: That's what I say every time in every episode we're
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  Speaker 5: at one of these. I'm like, sometimes people are just
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  Speaker 5: running into stuff with that costume.
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  Speaker 7: All those Kylo Ren's in there that cannot see for shit.
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  Speaker 7: They look like blind people when they're looking at stuff.
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  Speaker 7: They're putting everything like two inches from their face mask.
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  Speaker 5: I've hit two or three people now that are in
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  Speaker 5: spandex pulled over their head and their entire bodies. And
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  Speaker 5: they'll like run into me and they're like, oh man,
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  Speaker 5: I'm sorry. it's really hard to see in this. I
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  Speaker 5: feel for you. It's okay.
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  Speaker 7: A Kylo Ren talk and it was hilarious. It looked
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  Speaker 7: like they were about to make out. Like they were
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  Speaker 7: like checking out each other's masks and they were just
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  Speaker 7: so close to each other.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, that's good, man. Geeks are all getting together.
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  Speaker 7: You know, you can break character and take your mask
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  Speaker 7: off for a moment and look around.
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  Speaker 5: Well, that was even weirder when that same mech dude
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  Speaker 5: later was walking around with everything on but his head.
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  Speaker 5: He was a giant, like he was several feet off
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  Speaker 5: the floor, all these giant mech arms and this little
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  Speaker 5: human head sticking out the top. I'm like, what kind
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  Speaker 5: of cyborg bastard are you? Like, this is not, that's
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  Speaker 5: not right. Oh, Lord. So, in our usual geek activity portion,
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  Speaker 5: have you watched anything, like?
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  Speaker 10: Hmm.
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  Speaker 5: I don't know if, but, I don't know if it
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  Speaker 5: would be appropriate to talk about this here, not that
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  Speaker 5: it's bad. Have you, are you familiar with a little
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  Speaker 5: string of YouTube videos called Don't Hug Me, I'm Scared? No.
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  Speaker 7: I wish I knew more about the people, two people
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  Speaker 7: created it, and it's, It looks like a Sesame Street
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  Speaker 7: kind of show, but it's actually, like, it has this huge,
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  Speaker 7: deep meaning, this, you know, statement about child's programming and how, like,
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  Speaker 7: you know, you can't teach a kid one thing without
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  Speaker 7: kind of inadvertently teaching them that the other's bad kind
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  Speaker 7: of a thing. So it's this thing where, like, you
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  Speaker 7: go into it like, oh, we're going to teach a
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  Speaker 7: kid good, positive things, but you're actually kind of.
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  Speaker 1: Like, restricting... their perspective of things.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, you balance it out with things that you're not
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  Speaker 5: even thinking about.
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  Speaker 7: Like the first episode is about creativity and at some
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  Speaker 7: point someone's like, green! And they're like, no, green's not
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  Speaker 7: a creative color.
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  Speaker 1: And it's like, well, wait, what? Who says that? It's
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  Speaker 1: so bizarre.
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  Speaker 7: It's called Don't Hug Me, I'm Scared. And it's one
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  Speaker 7: of those things where it's better to watch it than
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  Speaker 7: to hear about it because it just, it's one of
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  Speaker 7: those kind of things that gets uncomfortable. It starts out
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  Speaker 7: super cute super kind of silly a little bit adventure
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  Speaker 7: time it's just kind of weird for the sake of
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  Speaker 7: weird and like all right what are you doing and
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  Speaker 7: every episode has a way of going too far to
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  Speaker 7: where you're like oh my god what is happening like
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  Speaker 7: am i watching this is this live action it's everything
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  Speaker 7: there is people in outfits there's people like doing sesame
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  Speaker 7: street stuff like there are puppets but it'll cut to
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  Speaker 7: cgi it'll cut to like hand-drawn animation It'll cut to
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  Speaker 7: real life. There's a segment where the dude somehow is
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  Speaker 7: in the real world for a portion.
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  Speaker 5: Otherwise, this sounds pretty fun, but I don't know about
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  Speaker 5: the disturbing aspects. I always go back to Twin Peaks
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  Speaker 5: when I talk about things that are weird. It's a
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  Speaker 5: Twin Peaks thing in the sense that you'll watch it
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  Speaker 5: and you'll be like, what did I just see? And
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  Speaker 5: you will find hundreds of videos where people are like,
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  Speaker 5: this is what it's about.
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  Speaker 7: This is my theory and what it's about. And there's
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  Speaker 7: a million theories. But the general consensus is that These
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  Speaker 7: two people have at least admitted it's like we're not
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  Speaker 7: big fans of Sesame Street child programming.
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  Speaker 5: And this is why.
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  Speaker 7: The bigger point in it, it has to do with
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  Speaker 7: like the fact that you have to make money off
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  Speaker 7: of it.
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  Speaker 1: So to some level, there's advertising.
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  Speaker 5: So to some level, it's not about teaching and creativity
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  Speaker 5: as much as it is about programming kids to buy books. But,
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  Speaker 5: I mean, that's the way our generations are raised, even
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  Speaker 5: before Sesame Street came about.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know if they were targeting Sesame Street in general.
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  Speaker 3: Okay.
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  Speaker 5: Well, that's why I was like, I didn't grow up
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  Speaker 5: loving Sesame Street, so I'm not super hardcore about it.
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  Speaker 5: But I think as I've gotten older, I've come to
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  Speaker 5: respect it. I think they're more or less knowable in
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  Speaker 5: what they're trying to do and what little lessons I
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  Speaker 5: see them passing on seem kind of balanced.
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  Speaker 1: They don't seem ill-willed ever.
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  Speaker 3: No.
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  Speaker 7: I've heard bad things you know because what was it
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  Speaker 7: like 10 years ago they were talking about making one
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  Speaker 7: of the puppets have aids and everyone freaked.
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  Speaker 5: That's more questionably in good taste but i mean again
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  Speaker 5: i think it i mean that's a lesson for life
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  Speaker 5: i mean your friends are gonna get sick just like
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  Speaker 5: they might die.
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  Speaker 7: They were wanting to like a teach kids about disease.
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  Speaker 7: And I'm like, well, let's have a Muppet.
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  Speaker 1: That has AIDS and we'll talk about disease.
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  Speaker 5: I can see people flip out over that. Do I
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  Speaker 5: think it's a... It's probably not the worst message. Yeah,
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  Speaker 5: I'm like, do I think it's uncalled for? No, I
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  Speaker 5: think that's life. You know, it's like if you're trying
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  Speaker 5: to teach kids to cope with life, hey, guess what kids?
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  Speaker 5: People are going to die. And this is, you know,
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  Speaker 5: things you need to know about.
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  Speaker 7: I think maybe it might be a part of what the...
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  Speaker 7: Because like I said, it's just incredibly weird. And I've
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  Speaker 7: read a lot of theories and I think... have a
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  Speaker 7: good idea what they were getting at but there's still
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  Speaker 7: a lot of stuff you're like i don't know what
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  Speaker 7: you really meant by that so maybe that is kind
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  Speaker 7: of like why it gets so dark and weird at
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  Speaker 7: times you're just like you know this is what happens
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  Speaker 7: when you do.
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  Speaker 1: It wrong.
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  Speaker 7: Like there's a part where they're talking about time and
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  Speaker 7: like this puppet clock is telling them it's like oh
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  Speaker 7: time is you know my hands move and you know
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  Speaker 7: in three hours it'd be 12 o'clock and blah blah
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  Speaker 7: blah blah and at some point one of them like
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  Speaker 7: tries to get scientific it's like oh isn't time a
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  Speaker 7: you know correlation to this this this and it's why
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  Speaker 7: this happens and like the puppet like gets mad at
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  Speaker 7: him it's like no time is a clock it is
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  Speaker 7: a clock it is a watch shut up you want
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  Speaker 7: to know what time it is you look at a
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  Speaker 7: watch and it's like he punishes him for talking science
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  Speaker 7: so it's stuff like that where it's like okay i
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  Speaker 7: kind of get what you're saying we are teaching kids
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  Speaker 7: a very simplistic view of stuff but at the same
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  Speaker 7: time do you want to teach kids quantum physics like.
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  Speaker 5: And we're also probably a whole generation of kids that
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  Speaker 5: don't know how to tell time as it is. I mean,
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  Speaker 5: if I don't have a digital clock, I can't tell
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  Speaker 5: what time it is.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah, it should have been a dancing cell phone.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, we probably need to teach kids practical things like
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  Speaker 5: how to look at a clock and tell time. But,
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  Speaker 5: you know, I don't know if I'm on board with
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  Speaker 5: that either. Digital clocks, man. That's the way to go.
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  Speaker 1: But, no, yeah, that's, I guess, that and stranger things.
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  Speaker 5: Stranger Things. I kept hearing things. I was like, all right,
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  Speaker 5: I just don't have time most of the time because
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  Speaker 5: I'm fighting with the show. I'm trying to get the
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  Speaker 5: next episode out. So I try to squeeze in what
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  Speaker 5: I can. First, I'm sold already because Winona Ryder. So
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  Speaker 5: I'm like, I'm already in. I'm a geek for her
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  Speaker 5: old school.
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  Speaker 1: But those kids are so good.
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  Speaker 5: They were, yeah. They're so good.
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  Speaker 1: There's so many scenes where I'm just like, how are
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  Speaker 1: these kids acting?
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  Speaker 5: I feel like.
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  Speaker 7: They just put a camera in a room. The kids
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  Speaker 7: are so genuinely being kids.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: And I was like, how did you get these kids
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  Speaker 1: to do this?
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  Speaker 5: That weird kid is just weird. Like, he's not acting.
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  Speaker 5: And that's the thing. If you told a kid to
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  Speaker 5: act weird... it would look ridiculous. That kid is so genuine.
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  Speaker 5: And I'm like, oh, dude, I think I went to
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  Speaker 5: school like 17 of those kids. Like, that kid is
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  Speaker 5: so awkward.
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  Speaker 10: The kid with no teeth?
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  Speaker 7: The kid missing the teeth? I swear it's the kid
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  Speaker 7: from Hook. I swear it's the little tubby kid from Hook.
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  Speaker 7: And I keep going, look, I know that it can't
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  Speaker 7: be because Hook's like 15 years old, but you look
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  Speaker 7: just like the little chubby kid in Hook.
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  Speaker 4: Maybe.
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  Speaker 5: Maybe, because I swear I had not the same movie,
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  Speaker 5: but I was like, I swear I've seen that kid before.
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  Speaker 5: He was the one that kept... And I think it
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  Speaker 5: was in an 80s movie.
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  Speaker 1: And for me, it was Hook.
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  Speaker 7: I decided, I think I'm thinking of there's a tubby
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  Speaker 7: kid with brown curly hair and a hook. Maybe this
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  Speaker 7: kid's just an immortal.
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  Speaker 5: I think we've stumbled on this. He's a Highlander. Well, no,
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  Speaker 5: then you'd have to start decapitating the other kids. I mean,
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  Speaker 5: it is an 80s movie. Maybe, you know. There you go.
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  Speaker 7: Maybe season two would be about the Highlander inspiration in
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  Speaker 7: Stranger Things.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, I was so impressed with how... I feel like
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  Speaker 5: it is such a loving tribute to the 80s, but
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  Speaker 5: I do feel like it's not ripping them off.
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  Speaker 3: Right.
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  Speaker 7: Even though it is seen by the scene, it quite
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  Speaker 7: literally is, but it's done in a way that.
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  Speaker 5: They go through and steal shots from it, but again,
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  Speaker 5: it feels like it's tribute to and cobbled together into
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  Speaker 5: such a different thing that it is its own separate thing,
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  Speaker 5: even though there's so many moments where I'm like, this
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  Speaker 5: is so E.T. right now. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You don't
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  Speaker 5: even know.
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  Speaker 10: Yeah.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah well the cornfield yeah you know when they run
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  Speaker 7: into her in the cornfield that was one of the
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  Speaker 7: those side-by-side shots it's like no yeah that was you
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  Speaker 7: know him running into the um episode one when he
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  Speaker 7: runs into the little tool shed yeah like again et
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  Speaker 7: like that was in the beginning so et but i'm
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  Speaker 7: like that's okay because it's not going about it in
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  Speaker 7: a way that feels like it's hacky like it really.
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  Speaker 5: Does seem like okay this is what we grew up
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  Speaker 5: on we love this but let's do our own thing
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  Speaker 5: with it what's kind of interesting about it is because
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  Speaker 5: it's 2016 it's interesting to think of the side of
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  Speaker 5: it where it's like you know if someone's watching it
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  Speaker 5: either they were around for the 80s or they won't
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  Speaker 5: or they weren't if you weren't around for the 80s
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  Speaker 5: i wonder how they take it like i wonder if
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  Speaker 5: it feels I know how it felt for us. Because
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  Speaker 5: we know.
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  Speaker 1: We're like, oh, that's E.T. Oh, that's Explorers. Oh, that's,
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  Speaker 1: you know.
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  Speaker 5: Like, if you're just a kid, if you're the same
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  Speaker 5: age as these kids that are on the screen, like,
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  Speaker 5: it might just feel genuine. Because all that stuff did
• 14:54
  Speaker 5: to us the first time through. So it's like, I
• 14:57
  Speaker 5: guess you wouldn't, unless you are a kind of dork
• 14:59
  Speaker 5: that has watched nothing but old 80s stuff, like, you
• 15:02
  Speaker 5: would get the references maybe. But most kids, I.
• 15:05
  Speaker 1: Think, have to. But scene by scene, there's no way.
• 15:06
  Speaker 11: Yeah.
• 15:07
  Speaker 7: There's just no way. There's no way, like, unless, I mean, because, again,
• 15:11
  Speaker 7: I mean, I don't know. You know, maybe millennials are
• 15:14
  Speaker 7: much deeper and geekier than I know it. But I
• 15:17
  Speaker 7: would think if, you know.
• 15:18
  Speaker 5: Distracted is the word.
• 15:20
  Speaker 7: I would think if you're younger that, you know, you
• 15:22
  Speaker 7: might have watched these movies once. You know, like I
• 15:25
  Speaker 7: remember like my grandparents like, you know, whatever, like Casablanca
• 15:29
  Speaker 7: is a must see.
• 15:29
  Speaker 1: And I'm like, all right, I'll watch Casablanca. And I
• 15:31
  Speaker 1: watched it once. I'm like, all right.
• 15:32
  Speaker 5: It's very good. I love it.
• 15:34
  Speaker 7: But I don't know if like people watch E.T. and
• 15:36
  Speaker 7: Goonies and stuff like that enough now where they go, oh,
• 15:40
  Speaker 7: that was a reference to the Goonies.
• 15:41
  Speaker 1: If you didn't live through it.
• 15:43
  Speaker 5: Maybe not at all, really. Because it is one of those,
• 15:46
  Speaker 5: they keep remaking stuff for brand recognition. And I will
• 15:51
  Speaker 5: hear all these reports or actually see it happen where
• 15:54
  Speaker 5: they'll reference it to someone of the new generation who
• 15:57
  Speaker 5: they're arguably doing it for. And they will have no
• 15:59
  Speaker 5: idea what they're rebooting. So it might as well just
• 16:03
  Speaker 5: be a new property because they don't care enough about
• 16:06
  Speaker 5: these things that you guys... sitting behind a desk deciding
• 16:09
  Speaker 5: are important to reboot, it's not a brand to them.
• 16:12
  Speaker 5: They do not know what that thing is. You might
• 16:15
  Speaker 5: as well just tell a new story or just go
• 16:17
  Speaker 5: and reboot it because you want to reboot it. But
• 16:18
  Speaker 5: don't try to pretend like it's for these kids.
• 16:20
  Speaker 1: We're going to end up tree branching. You talk like that.
• 16:22
  Speaker 1: We could talk about reboots.
• 16:22
  Speaker 7: Because that's the philosophy of reboots, right? It seems like
• 16:26
  Speaker 7: the corporate philosophy is like, well, we'll just remake it.
• 16:29
  Speaker 7: like it again that's all they're thinking big corporate reboots
• 16:32
  Speaker 7: are almost not seen for seen but they all have
• 16:35
  Speaker 7: those same keynotes of the originals like that's not a
• 16:38
  Speaker 7: remake or a.
• 16:39
  Speaker 5: Reboot you're just remaking.
• 16:41
  Speaker 1: Like why not just call it that same movie.
• 16:43
  Speaker 5: Again but do it i won't again there's been some
• 16:48
  Speaker 5: good ones but sometimes it just seems like they don't
• 16:50
  Speaker 5: even put as much thought in it the first time
• 16:52
  Speaker 5: because there is no thought it's just set up the
• 16:53
  Speaker 5: shots to match what happened before and like I don't know.
• 16:56
  Speaker 5: So it is one of those weird little scenarios. But
• 17:00
  Speaker 5: I do feel like, again, they almost put more responsibility
• 17:05
  Speaker 5: on up and coming generations like they care about that stuff. Which, again,
• 17:09
  Speaker 5: when we were kids, we didn't care about.
• 17:11
  Speaker 8: Any of that.
• 17:11
  Speaker 7: Yeah, like when I was an 80s kid, I didn't go, man,
• 17:13
  Speaker 7: I really that awesome thing in the 60s is awesome.
• 17:17
  Speaker 5: Because I think it's much like now. You're into what
• 17:20
  Speaker 5: you're into. Because I was, again, just having gone to
• 17:23
  Speaker 5: that big music festival here in town. And we did
• 17:26
  Speaker 5: our episode there. And one of the people I was
• 17:28
  Speaker 5: talking to about it afterwards is in high school right now.
• 17:31
  Speaker 5: And I'm naming off the headliners at that. No idea
• 17:35
  Speaker 5: what they were.
• 17:35
  Speaker 3: Really?
• 17:36
  Speaker 5: Because it's not their thing. They don't listen to that.
• 17:38
  Speaker 5: There's a channel in town that plays that music nonstop.
• 17:41
  Speaker 5: Doesn't listen to that channel. is into a weird super
• 17:44
  Speaker 5: subsection or only listens to punk or whatever they're into.
• 17:47
  Speaker 5: And they're like, the headliners, they got millions of dollars
• 17:51
  Speaker 5: of advertising, have radio play constantly, not a clue who
• 17:54
  Speaker 5: any of them were. And I'm just like, it's not
• 17:57
  Speaker 5: like everybody of the new generation is branded to be
• 18:00
  Speaker 5: a specific thing. You can't do that. Corporations want to
• 18:04
  Speaker 5: do that, but I'm like, people just like what they like.
• 18:07
  Speaker 5: You cannot massive attach any one thing to any group
• 18:12
  Speaker 5: of kids because they're going to do their own thing.
• 18:14
  Speaker 5: That's how people are.
• 18:14
  Speaker 7: I think that's why we're seeing a lot of genre
• 18:16
  Speaker 7: bending in general.
• 18:18
  Speaker 10: There's always.
• 18:20
  Speaker 1: Been blurred lines and stuff like that.
• 18:22
  Speaker 7: But for instance, it's fun, I think, not fun, but
• 18:26
  Speaker 7: it's interesting, I think, to listen to the radio now
• 18:28
  Speaker 7: and then try to decide what genre you're listening to.
• 18:31
  Speaker 7: Because there was something earlier, it had some techno-EBM kind
• 18:35
  Speaker 7: of stuff, but the guy was kind of singing Rastafarian,
• 18:38
  Speaker 7: and it.
• 18:38
  Speaker 1: Was a little bit rap-ish. And I was like, I
• 18:40
  Speaker 1: don't know.
• 18:42
  Speaker 7: If I worked in a music store, where would you
• 18:45
  Speaker 7: put this CD right now?
• 18:47
  Speaker 5: Your retail roots are showing. How do I categorize this?
• 18:51
  Speaker 5: I need a section to put it in, damn it.
• 18:55
  Speaker 1: I think movies are getting that way too.
• 18:57
  Speaker 5: Probably. The one that kills me is when you listen
• 19:01
  Speaker 5: to it.
• 19:01
  Speaker 1: Would you consider Stranger Things a horror?
• 19:05
  Speaker 5: That's why we're keeping it spoiler free. I'm only a
• 19:07
  Speaker 5: few episodes in. At this point, no. It's definitely very sci-fi-ish.
• 19:15
  Speaker 5: It's definitely got potential to, you know, cross over for, like, again,
• 19:20
  Speaker 5: fantasy is, like, a weird word now. You can't really
• 19:22
  Speaker 5: use that unless there's swords and sandals and dragons and shit. So, like, fantasy, yeah,
• 19:27
  Speaker 5: used to kind of fall in the same category as sci-fi,
• 19:30
  Speaker 5: just not so on the hard science end. So, I mean, like,
• 19:32
  Speaker 5: it could fall on either side of those. It still
• 19:35
  Speaker 5: works as a drama, first and foremost. I mean, like,
• 19:38
  Speaker 5: all of those kind of work really well. So, yeah,
• 19:41
  Speaker 5: I wouldn't at this, you know, a couple episodes in
• 19:44
  Speaker 5: wouldn't put in a horror yet, but I guess I'll see.
• 19:47
  Speaker 5: It's all over the place. Well, I think we're going
• 19:51
  Speaker 5: to take our break now and then we're going to
• 19:53
  Speaker 5: start talking about this week's movie.
• 20:02
  Speaker 6: Ow. Hey, watch where you're doing me.
• 20:16
  Speaker 10: Shh.
• 20:17
  Speaker 11: Pass me the Phillips head.
• 20:18
  Speaker 10: Don't look back. You need to ratchet.
• 20:22
  Speaker 12: Here.
• 20:22
  Speaker 5: I can't do anything with your.
• 20:25
  Speaker 2: Hand in the way.
• 20:26
  Speaker 11: It's stuck.
• 20:27
  Speaker 5: Give me that back.
• 20:28
  Speaker 10: Here.
• 20:29
  Speaker 11: Ouch! Watch it.
• 20:33
  Speaker 3: Shh.
• 20:33
  Speaker 5: Be quiet, man.
• 20:35
  Speaker 10: A bang like that, your mom's gonna wonder what we're doing.
• 20:39
  Speaker 12: If this thing works, everyone's gonna wonder what we're doing.
• 20:46
  Speaker 5: There.
• 20:47
  Speaker 2: I think that's it.
• 20:48
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 20:49
  Speaker 6: Switch on the computer.
• 20:51
  Speaker 12: Ready?
• 20:51
  Speaker 11: Here goes.
• 20:53
  Speaker 4: Wow!
• 21:03
  Speaker 3: From the director of Gremlins, Explorers, coming this summer from
• 21:08
  Speaker 3: Paramount Pictures.
• 21:10
  Speaker 4: The adventure begins in.
• 21:11
  Speaker 5: Your own backyard.
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  Speaker 3: More than a hundred years ago, in a mountain village
• 22:22
  Speaker 3: in Switzerland, lived a man whose strange experiments with the
• 22:26
  Speaker 3: dead have since become a legend. A legend that is
• 22:31
  Speaker 3: still told with horror the world over. We've only just started.
• 22:43
  Speaker 3: Just open the door. Look, now's the time to go
• 22:46
  Speaker 3: through that door and find what lies beyond it.
• 22:49
  Speaker 4: Why, don't you see, Paul?
• 22:51
  Speaker 3: We've discovered the source of life itself, and we've used
• 22:54
  Speaker 3: it to restore.
• 22:55
  Speaker 4: A creature that was dead.
• 22:56
  Speaker 3: This is Frankenstein, who revolted against nature, who experimented with
• 23:01
  Speaker 3: the devil and was forever cursed. His unwilling collaborator was
• 23:06
  Speaker 3: Paul Krempe. I can't prove your word, but I can
• 23:11
  Speaker 3: stop you using his brain.
• 23:12
  Speaker 4: Why? He has no further use for it?
• 23:14
  Speaker 6: Don't be a fool!
• 23:16
  Speaker 11: Be careful!
• 23:17
  Speaker 6: You damn it!
• 23:19
  Speaker 3: Only two women ever entered this house of evil.
• 23:22
  Speaker 6: Elizabeth!
• 23:23
  Speaker 11: Come back!
• 23:25
  Speaker 3: Elizabeth, the lovely cousin who had promised to marry him,
• 23:28
  Speaker 3: and Justine, the maid, who kept passionate and secret rendezvous
• 23:32
  Speaker 3: with her master.
• 23:34
  Speaker 2: Won't you understand.
• 23:35
  Speaker 4: You're in real danger?
• 23:36
  Speaker 2: What Victor is doing is dangerous to everyone in the house. Now,
• 23:39
  Speaker 2: you cannot possibly conceive what dreadful thing he's been into.
• 23:44
  Speaker 11: What are you trying to tell me, Paul?
• 23:46
  Speaker 5: The dictator's wicked, insane?
• 23:48
  Speaker 3: Wicked, insane, evil? Call Frankenstein what you will. A demon
• 23:55
  Speaker 3: had made a man-made monster, and now the monster.
• 23:59
  Speaker 10: Was the master.
• 24:01
  Speaker 4: Paul, what are you going to do?
• 24:03
  Speaker 3: For your sake and to protect Elizabeth, I've so far
• 24:06
  Speaker 3: kept silent.
• 24:08
  Speaker 4: But now I shall go to the authorities and have
• 24:09
  Speaker 4: them destroy that creature.
• 24:11
  Speaker 2: And see that you pay for these atrocities.
• 24:14
  Speaker 6: No!
• 24:14
  Speaker 12: There's a skeleton key, lies on the stairs.
• 24:18
  Speaker 11: I should have been a little prepared. Picked up the key,
• 24:23
  Speaker 11: opened the door.
• 24:24
  Speaker 5: Don't have a clue what I am in for.
• 24:27
  Speaker 11: There's a boy on the counter, cut up in pieces.
• 24:30
  Speaker 11: Still making sounds, he's barely breathing.
• 24:34
  Speaker 5: I'm not a doctor, I can't make him better.
• 24:37
  Speaker 11: All I can do is try to put him together.
• 24:40
  Speaker 11: He's made.
• 24:45
  Speaker 11: Okay.
• 25:06
  Speaker 5: So I'm trying to put this together, trying to coordinate people.
• 25:10
  Speaker 5: in a geeky convention is hard to do. So I
• 25:13
  Speaker 5: think we're just going to go ahead and have the,
• 25:15
  Speaker 5: cause we all ended up watching the movie, but trying
• 25:17
  Speaker 5: to get everyone in the same place at the same time,
• 25:19
  Speaker 5: doesn't work. So I was just like, okay, you've watched it.
• 25:22
  Speaker 5: Just let's go with your thoughts and then I can
• 25:25
  Speaker 5: address them later. So as, as we will get to
• 25:29
  Speaker 5: the full details later, but it is a curse of Frankenstein. 1957, 1957,
• 25:32
  Speaker 5: I believe. So you watched it recently. What were your
• 25:39
  Speaker 5: thoughts on this movie?
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: Not my favorite. Not my favorite Frankenstein.
• 25:48
  Speaker 5: In general. That's kind of why I wanted to get
• 25:50
  Speaker 5: yours in here because I feel like what little I've
• 25:53
  Speaker 5: heard from our next party, there's probably going to be
• 25:56
  Speaker 5: a little more praise heaped on it. So I kind
• 25:58
  Speaker 5: of wanted to get your.
• 25:59
  Speaker 9: Take on it.
• 25:59
  Speaker 7: I didn't want to be the dumpster guy. And it's not,
• 26:00
  Speaker 7: I don't want to be like come off like I'm
• 26:07
  Speaker 7: being highly critical. I think that maybe I'm overthinking because
• 26:11
  Speaker 7: I don't know anything about the writer and what their
• 26:12
  Speaker 7: intent was. But I think it felt to me like
• 26:15
  Speaker 7: what made this different for a Frankenstein movie was that
• 26:18
  Speaker 7: I felt like the monster wasn't supposed to be at
• 26:21
  Speaker 7: a focal point. And that's why it's called A Curse
• 26:23
  Speaker 7: of Frankenstein. It was just the idea of like the
• 26:25
  Speaker 7: people around him just kind of like, you know. And
• 26:28
  Speaker 7: him kind of going into this weird madness thing. the
• 26:32
  Speaker 7: creature because it wasn't really about Frankenstein killing people and
• 26:35
  Speaker 7: oh my god he's loose as much as it was
• 26:37
  Speaker 7: would you stop making Frankenstein I mean that this is
• 26:41
  Speaker 7: like what the court a movie was it's just everyone
• 26:43
  Speaker 7: going stop doing.
• 26:44
  Speaker 5: This like I thought I think you're right and you
• 26:47
  Speaker 5: wouldn't know it from the point when you watch that
• 26:49
  Speaker 5: movie but if you fast-forward over the next 15 or
• 26:52
  Speaker 5: 20 years you realize that, again, it's unlike the old
• 26:58
  Speaker 5: Universal series where it was all about Frankenstein. Every movie
• 27:01
  Speaker 5: was Frankenstein gets loose and kills people. What the Hammer
• 27:05
  Speaker 5: version did was it is about Peter Cushing. It is
• 27:08
  Speaker 5: that crazy doctor is the focal point of like six
• 27:13
  Speaker 5: or seven different movies. And he's the mad doctor every time.
• 27:16
  Speaker 5: And there's different monsters or different stuff that comes about.
• 27:19
  Speaker 5: So it really, he is the focal point of that movie.
• 27:22
  Speaker 5: And you wouldn't, necessarily know it i guess the first
• 27:25
  Speaker 5: time around but as you get into it it's like
• 27:27
  Speaker 5: that version of the monster doesn't come back but a
• 27:30
  Speaker 5: monster resurfaces every time like you see him continuing to
• 27:33
  Speaker 5: be insane and like obviously willing to kill to do
• 27:37
  Speaker 5: whatever he wants to do so yeah Again, if you
• 27:40
  Speaker 5: fast forward in time in the real world, you're like, well,
• 27:43
  Speaker 5: you're right. He's not the focal point of this series
• 27:46
  Speaker 5: of movies.
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: Was this the first one to do it by chance?
• 27:48
  Speaker 5: This is the very first one, yeah. And sort of
• 27:51
  Speaker 5: what kicked off the whole Hammer Horror thing is going
• 27:54
  Speaker 5: back this far.
• 27:56
  Speaker 7: Was that kind of their thing in general then, to
• 27:58
  Speaker 7: kind of revisit horror from a different perspective?
• 28:01
  Speaker 5: They wanted to, and it's funny you're saying the difference
• 28:04
  Speaker 5: between this version of the Frankenstein story. I don't think
• 28:07
  Speaker 5: they wanted it to be that different. I think they
• 28:10
  Speaker 5: wanted to just, much like we were saying before, they
• 28:12
  Speaker 5: just kind of wanted to reboot it again for newer
• 28:15
  Speaker 5: audiences because originally they wanted it to be shot in
• 28:18
  Speaker 5: black and white. They wanted it to star.
• 28:21
  Speaker 7: Because I was not a big fan of Frankenstein being blue.
• 28:23
  Speaker 7: Maybe that's because it's 2016 and I've seen a million
• 28:26
  Speaker 7: green Frankensteins.
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: But when he was in blue, I was.
• 28:29
  Speaker 5: I just like the color scheme. I think that it
• 28:31
  Speaker 5: was a really cool kind of like very day glow
• 28:35
  Speaker 5: kind of, which again, hammer got really known for the
• 28:38
  Speaker 5: way that it shot things in color. So like it's,
• 28:40
  Speaker 5: it's very specific, you know, Kodachrome looking thing that they
• 28:43
  Speaker 5: were doing.
• 28:44
  Speaker 1: I mean, it looked rotted. I guess maybe if that's what, well,
• 28:46
  Speaker 1: I think it's just, they.
• 28:47
  Speaker 5: Were really bright.
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: Like he's constantly in water and stuff.
• 28:50
  Speaker 7: Like it was supposed to look like a preserved cadaver,
• 28:53
  Speaker 7: like more bluish than.
• 28:54
  Speaker 5: Yeah. Probably more than green.
• 28:56
  Speaker 9: Yeah.
• 28:57
  Speaker 5: Again, I think I liked it because it was so
• 28:59
  Speaker 5: drastically different, because I was so used to seeing old
• 29:02
  Speaker 5: classic horror as black and white and having no color whatsoever,
• 29:06
  Speaker 5: where this was not just in color. This was in
• 29:09
  Speaker 5: day glow colors. It's so specific in the way that
• 29:14
  Speaker 5: they address the color scheme that goes on in it.
• 29:17
  Speaker 5: I think that's one of the more striking things about
• 29:19
  Speaker 5: the movie is the way it looks. But, yeah, originally
• 29:22
  Speaker 5: they were planning to do it as Black and White
• 29:26
  Speaker 5: starring Boris Karloff as the monster. Really? That's not... I mean,
• 29:30
  Speaker 5: that's not trying hard to do anything different at all.
• 29:33
  Speaker 9: No.
• 29:33
  Speaker 5: Like, that's just kind of barely a reboot.
• 29:36
  Speaker 1: Can you throw Christopher Lee in there? I would have
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: took Christopher Lee as the... the best friend.
• 29:41
  Speaker 7: To me, I kind of wish Christopher Lee would have
• 29:43
  Speaker 7: been the guy telling him to stop.
• 29:45
  Speaker 5: More potential than being the monster, truthfully. They could have
• 29:48
  Speaker 5: picked just... Truthfully, I think they picked him because he's tall.
• 29:51
  Speaker 1: I just felt like Peter Cushing was on his own.
• 29:53
  Speaker 10: Yeah.
• 29:53
  Speaker 5: I mean, most of the movie.
• 29:54
  Speaker 1: He was really good at being crazy and I felt like.
• 29:58
  Speaker 5: The woman and.
• 30:00
  Speaker 7: the guy in the house with them just felt so
• 30:03
  Speaker 7: kind of, eh, that it wasn't like someone was really
• 30:06
  Speaker 7: bouncing off. It just felt like the dude, every scene
• 30:08
  Speaker 7: was like him saying the same thing. It's like, you know,
• 30:10
  Speaker 7: damn it, man, stop.
• 30:11
  Speaker 1: And it was like, okay, can, is that half your
• 30:15
  Speaker 1: script is just, damn it, man.
• 30:16
  Speaker 7: Stop, stop, damn it, stop, stop. And I'm like, oh
• 30:20
  Speaker 7: my gosh, can you just have the creature? I thought, again,
• 30:23
  Speaker 7: not having seen this, I thought he was going to
• 30:25
  Speaker 7: end up taking part of his body. When he destroyed
• 30:27
  Speaker 7: the brain, I'm like, oh, he's going to kill his buddy.
• 30:29
  Speaker 5: And take his brain.
• 30:29
  Speaker 1: Two birds, one stone.
• 30:30
  Speaker 7: Be like, shut up about telling me to stop making
• 30:33
  Speaker 7: this thing. I'm going to put your brain in it.
• 30:35
  Speaker 1: But it didn't.
• 30:36
  Speaker 5: Quite happen like that. I don't know. I think that
• 30:39
  Speaker 5: became the weird thing is they got into legal trouble
• 30:42
  Speaker 5: with Universal because Universal said, not only can you not
• 30:47
  Speaker 5: do our movie again, but we also, again, you get
• 30:50
  Speaker 5: into probably the very first scene At one point, Bela
• 30:54
  Speaker 5: Lugosi Jr. picks up the legal end of it and
• 30:57
  Speaker 5: starts suing people for using the likeness rights. I don't
• 31:00
  Speaker 5: know if it was that early yet that that started,
• 31:02
  Speaker 5: but I think this was one of the first times
• 31:04
  Speaker 5: that Universal got a hold of somebody and was like, look,
• 31:07
  Speaker 5: not only can you not do our story, it cannot
• 31:10
  Speaker 5: look anything like Boris Karloff. It can like basically, I
• 31:14
  Speaker 5: think that's also.
• 31:14
  Speaker 1: That would make a lot of sense then. Because he
• 31:16
  Speaker 1: had like a chili bowl kind of haircut.
• 31:18
  Speaker 5: It was just a very, very. They specifically. Different color eyes.
• 31:21
  Speaker 5: Were not allowed to. I had the different color eyes always. Again,
• 31:25
  Speaker 5: as they got into it.
• 31:25
  Speaker 1: Blakely different color eyes. Like that blue eye was blue.
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: It was just like. Like crystal.
• 31:30
  Speaker 5: I think it ended up kind of working in their
• 31:32
  Speaker 5: favor because it would otherwise just be like a knockoff
• 31:35
  Speaker 5: version of Universal. So like at least this is from
• 31:39
  Speaker 5: that approach, from like the aesthetic approach, its own thing.
• 31:43
  Speaker 5: I feel like story-wise, it's not really. I didn't feel
• 31:46
  Speaker 5: like there.
• 31:46
  Speaker 1: Was much story as a problem.
• 31:47
  Speaker 7: Instead, it was like, I'm making this creature, and this
• 31:50
  Speaker 7: guy doesn't want you to make it the movie. It
• 31:52
  Speaker 7: was just him constantly going, don't make it, don't make it,
• 31:54
  Speaker 7: don't make it, don't make it, don't make it. It's
• 31:56
  Speaker 7: like something else has to happen other than him coming
• 31:59
  Speaker 7: into your laboratory over and over and over telling you
• 32:01
  Speaker 7: not to make stuff.
• 32:02
  Speaker 5: That, I think, is the only thing I had issue
• 32:05
  Speaker 5: with is it felt so familiar. And I guess you
• 32:08
  Speaker 5: can't almost... you almost take points away from it because now,
• 32:15
  Speaker 5: and that's what I constantly like. That's the thing. I don't,
• 32:18
  Speaker 5: I've gotten so less precious about remakes and whatnot over
• 32:22
  Speaker 5: the years. I don't care. But what I do care
• 32:24
  Speaker 5: about is just do something original with it. Like, I
• 32:27
  Speaker 5: don't want to see you do the same thing. So
• 32:29
  Speaker 5: I almost can't call this one out because it had
• 32:31
  Speaker 5: only been done once. And even then they weren't like,
• 32:33
  Speaker 5: they were faithful to the book. It's nothing like the book,
• 32:35
  Speaker 5: the universal time. So it's like, They've done very few
• 32:39
  Speaker 5: other than the Universal kind of hitting that same property
• 32:41
  Speaker 5: over and over, but they stray off and do their
• 32:43
  Speaker 5: own crazy thing from the very first time out and
• 32:46
  Speaker 5: continued the more and more sequels they did. So it's
• 32:49
  Speaker 5: like it's not like it's been beat to death in 57,
• 32:55
  Speaker 5: that same story, where I feel like now that's one
• 32:58
  Speaker 5: of my issues is every, it's probably not even 10 years,
• 33:02
  Speaker 5: it's probably every seven years we get somebody doing another
• 33:05
  Speaker 5: big budget Frankenstein movie.
• 33:08
  Speaker 1: Tom Cruise in the next mummy movie like what.
• 33:11
  Speaker 5: That one again they've been pushing for that reboot of
• 33:14
  Speaker 5: the universal monsters for a long time now so it's
• 33:17
  Speaker 5: like that I don't know.
• 33:19
  Speaker 7: That's wasn't that vampire one like five years ago considered
• 33:22
  Speaker 7: part of that.
• 33:23
  Speaker 5: That's what we were talking about yeah I think on
• 33:25
  Speaker 5: one of these episodes we were like they were playing
• 33:27
  Speaker 5: like again that's been an ongoing thing they wanted to
• 33:29
  Speaker 5: do for like 15 years or more and they keep
• 33:32
  Speaker 5: trying to like okay we're gonna sneak this in and
• 33:34
  Speaker 5: this is gonna be the first one Oh, that didn't
• 33:35
  Speaker 5: do well. Okay, that didn't count. We weren't doing that.
• 33:38
  Speaker 5: And then like five years later, they'll be like, yeah.
• 33:40
  Speaker 10: This new.
• 33:40
  Speaker 7: Is it a Fantastic Four thing where they have to
• 33:42
  Speaker 7: keep doing it to keep it?
• 33:43
  Speaker 5: That might be part of the... But again, that's such
• 33:46
  Speaker 5: a general... Like again, you just steal from like novels
• 33:50
  Speaker 5: from a long time ago, which I'm assuming everybody kind
• 33:53
  Speaker 5: of has the rights to at this point. I wonder
• 33:54
  Speaker 5: who has Mary Shelley's rights or actual book rights now. Yeah,
• 33:57
  Speaker 5: I don't know if it's so old because it's become...
• 33:59
  Speaker 5: It's just become public domain now. I guess we'd have
• 34:02
  Speaker 5: to check into that.
• 34:03
  Speaker 10: But.
• 34:04
  Speaker 5: Regardless, I feel like it's one of those, the story still,
• 34:08
  Speaker 5: like each time they do it, not even Curse of Frankenstein,
• 34:11
  Speaker 5: but each time they do it, it still feels like
• 34:13
  Speaker 5: it sticks so close to the same scenario of, oh,
• 34:17
  Speaker 5: here's the scientist and here's the love interest, not really.
• 34:20
  Speaker 1: Did you peek at all at Penny Dreadful?
• 34:22
  Speaker 5: No. Again, one of those things I haven't had time
• 34:24
  Speaker 5: for yet.
• 34:24
  Speaker 7: The creature in that is really, really cool. They do
• 34:29
  Speaker 7: a Frankenstein creature in that and that, It's kind of
• 34:31
  Speaker 7: what kept me watching for a while.
• 34:33
  Speaker 1: Because at first, it's gorgeous. It's beautiful.
• 34:35
  Speaker 7: The costumes are beautiful. The scenes are beautiful. It's actually
• 34:37
  Speaker 7: well written and all that. Just a little too much
• 34:40
  Speaker 7: sex for me. But when they bring in a creature
• 34:43
  Speaker 7: and it's Frankenstein, it was great. It was like really, really,
• 34:47
  Speaker 7: I thought, amazing. And he just kind of got downplayed
• 34:50
  Speaker 7: and pushed off to the side. But I was like,
• 34:51
  Speaker 7: that was a really fresh Frankenstein. I would take a
• 34:53
  Speaker 7: spin off and watch it. If you just broke that
• 34:55
  Speaker 7: out and did just that. I was really, really into
• 35:00
  Speaker 7: that Frankenstein and that creature. And eventually that Bride of Frankenstein.
• 35:04
  Speaker 7: They took it far enough.
• 35:05
  Speaker 5: I was like, this is really rad.
• 35:07
  Speaker 1: Do this.
• 35:08
  Speaker 5: At least sounds interesting enough. Now it's one more thing
• 35:10
  Speaker 5: for the list I don't have time for.
• 35:11
  Speaker 1: I think it's on Netflix now. So there you go.
• 35:12
  Speaker 5: And now I'll tell you, then the movie you want
• 35:15
  Speaker 5: is Andy Warhol's Frankenstein. Because there's not going to be
• 35:18
  Speaker 5: any sex in there. So I'll recommend that for you.
• 35:20
  Speaker 1: Andy Warhol did a Frankenstein?
• 35:22
  Speaker 3: Oh, yeah.
• 35:22
  Speaker 5: And a Dracula.
• 35:24
  Speaker 1: Did he really?
• 35:25
  Speaker 5: Well, he didn't, it's one of those, he slapped his
• 35:27
  Speaker 5: name above the title, but if you go back and look,
• 35:29
  Speaker 5: he's not the director. It's just his little group of
• 35:31
  Speaker 5: weirdo friends.
• 35:31
  Speaker 4: Oh, okay.
• 35:32
  Speaker 5: And they started making horror movies in the 70s, and
• 35:34
  Speaker 5: it's weirdo 70s.
• 35:35
  Speaker 7: So it was more of a draw than a creative process?
• 35:39
  Speaker 1: Like, did he actually?
• 35:40
  Speaker 5: Is it all in neon? Well, it's Andy Warhol. So, yes. Basically,
• 35:44
  Speaker 5: all he wanted to do was get people to do
• 35:46
  Speaker 5: whatever he did next. Like, here's my movie. Here's my
• 35:49
  Speaker 5: art show opening. Like, he just wanted people to come
• 35:51
  Speaker 5: out and pay attention to him. And, like, they did. Like, so.
• 35:54
  Speaker 5: He was always good at doing what he did best,
• 35:55
  Speaker 5: which was kind of getting attention for himself. And then
• 35:58
  Speaker 5: eventually the artists and people that are around him and
• 36:01
  Speaker 5: his weird little group of friends. And so, no, they're weird.
• 36:05
  Speaker 5: And there's tons of nudity and sex.
• 36:07
  Speaker 10: Wow.
• 36:08
  Speaker 5: Not to blow it for you, but.
• 36:09
  Speaker 1: Well, I mean, it was the 70s, right?
• 36:11
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 36:11
  Speaker 5: And they were all massive drug addicts, I'm sure. I'm
• 36:15
  Speaker 5: getting kind of.
• 36:17
  Speaker 7: I think that is one of the few things where
• 36:19
  Speaker 7: my age shows is that I am getting to the
• 36:21
  Speaker 7: point where if sex or nudity happens, I can't help
• 36:24
  Speaker 7: but ask myself if it was necessary.
• 36:26
  Speaker 1: And if I say.
• 36:27
  Speaker 7: No a lot, because that's what got me, it was
• 36:29
  Speaker 7: really hard for me to get into American Horror Story
• 36:31
  Speaker 7: because season one had so much sex just for sex's
• 36:34
  Speaker 7: sake that it took me like three times watching season
• 36:38
  Speaker 7: one before I could get past that and just kind
• 36:40
  Speaker 7: of pick on the story and go, no, the story's.
• 36:41
  Speaker 1: Actually really interesting. It was just like sex.
• 36:44
  Speaker 7: I really like, 20 minutes for no reason.
• 36:47
  Speaker 5: Mine, I don't think has ever been the age thing.
• 36:50
  Speaker 5: I think I've always had the, like, okay, it's the
• 36:52
  Speaker 5: other half of my brain. It's like, here's the art
• 36:54
  Speaker 5: geek part that's just like, okay, story-wise, as a good film, like,
• 36:58
  Speaker 5: it needs this, it needs this, it needs this. There's
• 37:01
  Speaker 5: still the other depraved animal side that I'm like, I'm
• 37:04
  Speaker 5: okay with the fact that there's nudity right now, but
• 37:07
  Speaker 5: the other side of my brain is going, yeah, but
• 37:09
  Speaker 5: it's not necessarily and it's possibly ruining the story. So, like,
• 37:12
  Speaker 5: it is that balance of, like, which one do you
• 37:14
  Speaker 5: go to, you perv?
• 37:16
  Speaker 1: So here's my thing.
• 37:17
  Speaker 7: Like maybe again, just me, retail experience, not so much
• 37:20
  Speaker 7: from Suncoast, actually more from Hot Topic.
• 37:22
  Speaker 1: This is what I apply to.
• 37:24
  Speaker 7: So I think for me, I didn't feel like shows
• 37:27
  Speaker 7: had sex for sex's sake until True Blood. I feel
• 37:30
  Speaker 7: like it was around True Blood when there was so
• 37:33
  Speaker 7: much sex in there that wasn't in the books and stuff.
• 37:35
  Speaker 7: I was like, okay, there's a lot of sex in
• 37:37
  Speaker 7: there just for the sake of sex, but it was working.
• 37:39
  Speaker 7: Me working at Hot Topic, I'm selling like, all this
• 37:41
  Speaker 7: true blood shit to all these like you know girls
• 37:43
  Speaker 7: and guys that are just like talking about how hot
• 37:45
  Speaker 7: so and so is and I'm like wow it really
• 37:47
  Speaker 7: is just at the point where it's like we'll just
• 37:49
  Speaker 7: put sex for half the episode and the story for
• 37:51
  Speaker 7: the other half and it And it sells now. And
• 37:53
  Speaker 7: it seems like a couple people really jumped on that
• 37:55
  Speaker 7: kind of blueprint.
• 37:57
  Speaker 5: I mean, it definitely works.
• 37:58
  Speaker 7: Penny Dreadful, American Horror Story. It just seems like there's
• 38:01
  Speaker 7: a lot.
• 38:01
  Speaker 5: Of things that... I won't specifically blame True Bud. I
• 38:04
  Speaker 5: will blame Made for Cable Original Programming. And I point
• 38:09
  Speaker 5: the finger at this show, which is a million years old, obviously,
• 38:13
  Speaker 5: because nobody remembers this show. But I put so much
• 38:17
  Speaker 5: of the weight on Dream On. I'm assuming you and
• 38:21
  Speaker 5: most people have never... It was one of the first
• 38:24
  Speaker 5: wave of original shows on Showtime, I believe. And it
• 38:29
  Speaker 5: was like a half-hour sitcom kind of thing about a
• 38:31
  Speaker 5: dude that his wife leaves him. So it's him just
• 38:35
  Speaker 5: getting out of a long-term relationship. He's like 30 or
• 38:40
  Speaker 5: something and trying to get back into the dating world.
• 38:43
  Speaker 5: Every episode... there was at least a topless girl. And
• 38:48
  Speaker 5: if you go back now, look, there's a catalog of
• 38:50
  Speaker 5: all these up and coming actresses that like, that's their
• 38:52
  Speaker 5: first job. Come on in. You're the boobs this episode.
• 38:55
  Speaker 1: And then go be somebody.
• 38:56
  Speaker 5: And that's, that's, I swear. I'm like, this is all
• 39:00
  Speaker 5: people are watching it for. Wait, why did I turn
• 39:02
  Speaker 5: it on? So I'm like, I, again, there's the other
• 39:05
  Speaker 5: half of my brain.
• 39:06
  Speaker 7: I'm like, what was the big cliche, you know, with
• 39:09
  Speaker 7: the red woman that she are always going to see
• 39:11
  Speaker 7: her full frontal naked.
• 39:12
  Speaker 1: That's, and that's when they did that swerve.
• 39:14
  Speaker 5: It's the difference. I think because they opened that door
• 39:18
  Speaker 5: with cable programming and they went, Oh, we can say
• 39:21
  Speaker 5: whatever we want. We can show more or less whatever
• 39:24
  Speaker 5: we want. And there was a depraved group of people
• 39:28
  Speaker 5: waiting at home on their couch, maybe wearing pants. And
• 39:32
  Speaker 5: they were just like, I am here to watch this.
• 39:34
  Speaker 5: And that's the thing. People bought into it immediately. So
• 39:38
  Speaker 5: from that point on, then the Tales from the Crypt
• 39:41
  Speaker 5: starts getting made. And a lot of those have nudity
• 39:44
  Speaker 5: in it just because they could.
• 39:45
  Speaker 4: Just for the sake of it.
• 39:46
  Speaker 5: So it's like, I think it's just been the domino
• 39:48
  Speaker 5: effect ever since then.
• 39:49
  Speaker 7: I guess you say it like that, and I guess,
• 39:51
  Speaker 7: I don't know, because I guess for me, it's not
• 39:54
  Speaker 7: that it exists. I completely understand it exists. I feel
• 39:56
  Speaker 7: like there are some very good, very well-written, very creative
• 40:01
  Speaker 7: shows that are just, there's so much of it. You know,
• 40:06
  Speaker 7: I think it's more about how much of it.
• 40:08
  Speaker 5: Oh, it is. It's pushing the envelope.
• 40:10
  Speaker 7: Going through the 80s and 90s, there's always been that
• 40:12
  Speaker 7: kind of fan service. You're going to get, You know,
• 40:15
  Speaker 7: almost every horror movie ever is going to have some
• 40:17
  Speaker 7: titties in it. But it's like, you know, imagine if
• 40:20
  Speaker 7: the horror movie had like.
• 40:22
  Speaker 1: Full-on sex scene before the murder happened.
• 40:24
  Speaker 5: I was like, wow. They've kind of gotten away from
• 40:27
  Speaker 5: that now. Well, and again, I think it's, I called
• 40:29
  Speaker 5: that out for horror movies. I think horror movies have
• 40:32
  Speaker 5: gotten less and less as time's gone on. I guess
• 40:35
  Speaker 5: because they cost more money to shoot movies now and
• 40:37
  Speaker 5: like they weren't bringing in that kind of money so
• 40:39
  Speaker 5: investors started backing out so they kind of played it safe.
• 40:42
  Speaker 5: All those weird reboots, like I called out that damn
• 40:44
  Speaker 5: Nightmare reboot because there's no sex scene There is no nudity.
• 40:47
  Speaker 5: There is no sex. Kids don't even interact with each
• 40:50
  Speaker 5: other in a human way about sex. So it's like
• 40:53
  Speaker 5: they almost went the other way because it's safer and
• 40:55
  Speaker 5: because they want to pull in the PG-13 audience. And
• 40:59
  Speaker 5: then cable went the other way. The cable went, well,
• 41:01
  Speaker 5: you're already home. You can watch whatever you want. What's
• 41:04
  Speaker 5: the only thing we can throw that's going to pull
• 41:06
  Speaker 5: you away.
• 41:06
  Speaker 1: From– And the same time they know the kids know
• 41:07
  Speaker 1: how to change a channel on a TV.
• 41:08
  Speaker 5: And kids know what they're doing anyway.
• 41:10
  Speaker 1: You don't have to hit.
• 41:11
  Speaker 5: Them up for– I think it changed. Yeah. But it
• 41:14
  Speaker 5: changed hands. It used to be, you went to see,
• 41:17
  Speaker 5: you know, you went to movies and you saw tons
• 41:19
  Speaker 5: of nudity and sex. And now I feel like movies
• 41:22
  Speaker 5: are focusing more on what can we do to sell
• 41:23
  Speaker 5: tickets and popcorn because we're lucky to still survive in
• 41:27
  Speaker 5: this industry where TV is like, you're already home. You
• 41:29
  Speaker 5: already paid for this service. We know what's going to
• 41:31
  Speaker 5: bring you back next time.
• 41:32
  Speaker 1: Here's a whole lot of nudity. Here's a whole lot
• 41:34
  Speaker 1: of violence.
• 41:35
  Speaker 5: Like they, they switched the game in this little weird,
• 41:38
  Speaker 5: you know, made for cable television world. I think that's
• 41:42
  Speaker 5: a huge portion of it.
• 41:43
  Speaker 7: Maybe that's what Curse of Frankenstein needed. Maybe we needed Frankenweenie.
• 41:47
  Speaker 5: Well, no, it gets to that. That's the difference. Because
• 41:52
  Speaker 5: we started on the very first one, now you... hammer
• 41:56
  Speaker 5: kept making movies.
• 41:57
  Speaker 7: For decades to get more and more sexual as it
• 41:59
  Speaker 7: goes oh yeah and even with the ones with pushing
• 42:02
  Speaker 7: i think now peter cushing.
• 42:04
  Speaker 5: Is just like this stuffy old british dude and he
• 42:06
  Speaker 5: could care less about that girl living in his house
• 42:08
  Speaker 5: he wants to you know chop up bodies and stitch
• 42:11
  Speaker 5: this guy together that's all he cares about but as
• 42:13
  Speaker 5: you go on there's way more nudity there gets to
• 42:16
  Speaker 5: be sex in it like and by the time you
• 42:18
  Speaker 5: get to the late hammer movies like I remember, again,
• 42:23
  Speaker 5: back in the Video Stories day, I remember those dudes
• 42:25
  Speaker 5: that came in looking for Hammer movies, and they were
• 42:27
  Speaker 5: looking for them because all those vampire girls were naked. Oh,
• 42:30
  Speaker 5: got you. That became a calling card of the tail
• 42:33
  Speaker 5: end of the Hammer movies was the fact that there
• 42:35
  Speaker 5: were a lot of naked girls in them. So, again,
• 42:39
  Speaker 5: I think it's a time period thing. I think if
• 42:41
  Speaker 5: you check back in with Hammer 20 years later, you're
• 42:44
  Speaker 5: going to get a totally different movie than what you
• 42:46
  Speaker 5: get today. Yeah, black up.
• 42:49
  Speaker 1: Full frontal Dr. Frankenstein. There we go.
• 42:52
  Speaker 5: Hey, Peter Cushing's a hot dude.
• 42:54
  Speaker 7: Man, the kid that played him in the first part
• 42:56
  Speaker 7: was so legit creepy. I don't know the last time
• 42:59
  Speaker 7: you watched it, but that first five, ten minutes when
• 43:01
  Speaker 7: it's like the young Frankenstein, young Peter, that dude was
• 43:04
  Speaker 7: so incredibly awkward and creepy. I mean, when he was
• 43:10
  Speaker 7: saying bye to the two women, he wouldn't even touch her.
• 43:13
  Speaker 5: I was like, wait.
• 43:15
  Speaker 1: This woman's going to come. That's what shocked me when
• 43:17
  Speaker 1: she comes back.
• 43:17
  Speaker 5: She's like, oh, where is he? Where is he?
• 43:18
  Speaker 1: Like, you know, we're meant to be engaged and this, this, this.
• 43:20
  Speaker 5: And I miss him and it's been so long.
• 43:22
  Speaker 10: And I'm like, what?
• 43:23
  Speaker 1: The guy that was weird as shit with you when
• 43:25
  Speaker 1: you were a kid? You're excited to see him again? Like,
• 43:27
  Speaker 1: why are you surprised?
• 43:29
  Speaker 5: She was poor. She just wanted to latch on to
• 43:30
  Speaker 5: a dude with money.
• 43:31
  Speaker 7: Because she's just like, where is he? Why does he
• 43:33
  Speaker 7: want to hang out with me? It's like, did you
• 43:34
  Speaker 7: not remember him.
• 43:35
  Speaker 5: When he was a kid?
• 43:36
  Speaker 1: He didn't want to even look at you before.
• 43:37
  Speaker 5: It's pretty accurate, though. He was going to grow up
• 43:39
  Speaker 5: to be a science nerd. What do you want? He
• 43:40
  Speaker 5: doesn't know how to interact with girls.
• 43:43
  Speaker 4: So.
• 43:44
  Speaker 5: as we round out this portion, was, was that your main, like,
• 43:47
  Speaker 5: was there anything else issue wise that we need to
• 43:49
  Speaker 5: address as we continue on down this road?
• 43:51
  Speaker 7: I think it's just one of those things where like,
• 43:54
  Speaker 7: you know, for me, I think it's just been too long.
• 43:56
  Speaker 7: I mean, it's like 60 years. It's just dated in
• 43:58
  Speaker 7: a way where, you know, cause I kind of had
• 44:02
  Speaker 7: the same thing happen to me. That, um, was my
• 44:04
  Speaker 7: beef with that second Star Trek movie where after you
• 44:08
  Speaker 7: established that he brought the dog back to life and
• 44:10
  Speaker 7: he seemed confident that that meant he could bring a
• 44:13
  Speaker 7: body back to life.
• 44:13
  Speaker 1: He's like, wait, You just created reincarnation. I mean, you're done.
• 44:17
  Speaker 5: All our problems are done now.
• 44:19
  Speaker 1: Put pieces together. Now is when you go, hey, did
• 44:21
  Speaker 1: your loved one just die?
• 44:22
  Speaker 5: I can fix that for you. I can bring them back.
• 44:25
  Speaker 7: I felt like, okay, you are now the most famous
• 44:28
  Speaker 7: scientist on the planet already, let alone making weird little
• 44:31
  Speaker 7: mutts out of body parts.
• 44:33
  Speaker 5: You're done. You're good.
• 44:34
  Speaker 7: And what surprised me is like, why isn't anyone going, hey?
• 44:38
  Speaker 7: I don't know a dead relative a dead somebody you
• 44:41
  Speaker 7: know try bringing them back to life cause I mean
• 44:44
  Speaker 7: that's insane that you can bring people back to life
• 44:47
  Speaker 7: that is.
• 44:47
  Speaker 5: A recurring thing in this movie is like if you're
• 44:51
  Speaker 5: following the way most of these movies go it should
• 44:54
  Speaker 5: have ended like three or four times because they're always
• 44:56
  Speaker 5: like and he's dead oh well that's the end and
• 44:59
  Speaker 5: like ten seconds later there's a new scene and like
• 45:02
  Speaker 5: oh he's dug him up and he's brought him back
• 45:04
  Speaker 5: to life again because he can do that he's basically
• 45:06
  Speaker 5: a god now so yeah But only for that one guy.
• 45:09
  Speaker 5: He just keeps bringing that poor dead bastard back to life.
• 45:11
  Speaker 5: That was my point.
• 45:12
  Speaker 7: Like I said, the point was more the fact that
• 45:14
  Speaker 7: he figured out how to bring people back to life.
• 45:19
  Speaker 7: You are now the most famous person ever in the
• 45:22
  Speaker 7: history of ever. Yet to you, you're not successful unless
• 45:26
  Speaker 7: you can make a jacked.
• 45:28
  Speaker 1: Up mutant corpse thing. That's what didn't hit me.
• 45:32
  Speaker 7: I get that you're kind of awkward. and super smart
• 45:35
  Speaker 7: but it's like why does that make sense to you
• 45:38
  Speaker 7: like why is bringing people back to life isn't good
• 45:41
  Speaker 7: enough I want to be able to like make a
• 45:44
  Speaker 7: mutt and bring it back to life like I think.
• 45:47
  Speaker 5: Within this movie I'm okay with again in the real
• 45:49
  Speaker 5: world it makes no sense because anybody who would do
• 45:51
  Speaker 5: it would immediately start marketing it and like learning how
• 45:53
  Speaker 5: to sell it to pharmaceutical.
• 45:54
  Speaker 7: Companies and like making money I just mean but as
• 45:58
  Speaker 7: a scientist like holy shit you are now the most
• 46:00
  Speaker 7: famous scientist ever and you don't want to like take
• 46:03
  Speaker 7: that prize.
• 46:04
  Speaker 5: I think it's I like the way it's portrayed with
• 46:07
  Speaker 5: this Peter Cushing because he's just insane. He is so
• 46:10
  Speaker 5: far down that rabbit hole that he's like, I could
• 46:13
  Speaker 5: care less about fame and fortune. I've got this mission,
• 46:17
  Speaker 5: and I will kill this old man, and I will
• 46:19
  Speaker 5: kill my friend, and I will kill my future wife.
• 46:21
  Speaker 5: I don't care who I have to kill to make sure...
• 46:24
  Speaker 5: this works and it works the way I want it to.
• 46:26
  Speaker 5: And then like, I'll figure out what I'm going to
• 46:28
  Speaker 5: do with it later. Like he's so fixated on that.
• 46:31
  Speaker 5: Like he could care less about the rest of that,
• 46:33
  Speaker 5: which again makes him convincing as like a raving mad scientist.
• 46:37
  Speaker 5: So I don't, again, from that angle, I'm okay with it.
• 46:40
  Speaker 5: But in the real world, yeah, it doesn't make any
• 46:42
  Speaker 5: sense that he wasn't just like, now how can I
• 46:44
  Speaker 5: go sell this to a university?
• 46:45
  Speaker 7: Like I said, as I was saying, I'm not trying
• 46:47
  Speaker 7: to be a jerk. It's just 60 years later and
• 46:48
  Speaker 7: it's hard to look at it and not go, come on,
• 46:50
  Speaker 7: common sense though, guys.
• 46:51
  Speaker 1: Like, put some.
• 46:53
  Speaker 7: Mcguffin in there under like why he can't go i
• 46:55
  Speaker 7: mean maybe just because it would be ethically wrong maybe
• 46:58
  Speaker 7: he's afraid you know so it's more of him secretly
• 47:01
  Speaker 7: seeing what he could do like even that i've been
• 47:02
  Speaker 7: like all right i get that you're you keep talking
• 47:03
  Speaker 7: about the village like it's old times like maybe afraid
• 47:06
  Speaker 7: the village is going to come up and burn your
• 47:07
  Speaker 7: place down because you brought a body back usually how
• 47:09
  Speaker 7: frankenstein movies end so yeah i mean it probably is
• 47:12
  Speaker 7: more of a again i got that sense it was
• 47:15
  Speaker 7: like i if i just go up there with this
• 47:17
  Speaker 7: frankenpuppy Like, they're going to think I'm crazy.
• 47:21
  Speaker 5: They're going to put me away. I have to have proof. Like,
• 47:23
  Speaker 5: I really have to finish my project, show them this
• 47:27
  Speaker 5: perfect person, the artist's hands and a genius mind that
• 47:30
  Speaker 5: I put together, and then they will understand that I'm
• 47:33
  Speaker 5: not a madman hacking up bodies, but I'm a scientist. Like,
• 47:37
  Speaker 5: I think he really did think he needed this finalized,
• 47:39
  Speaker 5: perfect version, and then the science world would take him seriously.
• 47:42
  Speaker 5: But he's still just a crazy person.
• 47:44
  Speaker 7: That blue-skinned, chili-bowled, I like how he had the Max
• 47:49
  Speaker 7: Shrek trench coat on.
• 47:51
  Speaker 1: Did you notice that?
• 47:52
  Speaker 7: He literally had the Nosferatu coat on.
• 47:55
  Speaker 1: I'm like, wow.
• 47:56
  Speaker 5: He was cruising around the neighborhood. I liked he had
• 47:58
  Speaker 5: the cool coat.
• 47:58
  Speaker 1: He just took that coat. It was interesting.
• 48:03
  Speaker 7: I don't regret seeing it. I think it's fun to
• 48:07
  Speaker 7: see in old horror movies and stuff. I guess what
• 48:10
  Speaker 7: I took from it is that there was a concept involved.
• 48:14
  Speaker 7: It's not focus on the creature. It's focus on the house,
• 48:18
  Speaker 7: you know, everything surrounding him. And in that sense, I
• 48:21
  Speaker 7: was like, it's good, but I, I felt like you would,
• 48:24
  Speaker 7: I wish you would have went further. Cause I felt
• 48:25
  Speaker 7: like it just became just the same conversation of this
• 48:28
  Speaker 7: is wrong.
• 48:29
  Speaker 5: Stop it. No, this is wrong.
• 48:30
  Speaker 1: Stop it. No, I'm leaving. This is wrong. Stop it. No,
• 48:33
  Speaker 1: I'm leaving for good this time. No, this is wrong.
• 48:35
  Speaker 1: Stop it.
• 48:35
  Speaker 10: No, I'm leaving.
• 48:36
  Speaker 1: I swear to God, I'm never coming back.
• 48:38
  Speaker 4: All right.
• 48:39
  Speaker 5: I'll help you. Over and over and over.
• 48:40
  Speaker 7: I'm like, how many times are you going to tell
• 48:41
  Speaker 7: this dude you're leaving when I'm actually leaving?
• 48:43
  Speaker 5: Yeah. It does kind of repeat that little beat over
• 48:46
  Speaker 5: and over again. But I'm sure I will continue on
• 48:51
  Speaker 5: down this road. But I at least wanted to get
• 48:52
  Speaker 5: a different opinion thrown in the mix there. So thank
• 48:55
  Speaker 5: you for contributing. And I'm sure we'll see you back
• 48:58
  Speaker 5: in the near future because we keep talking about superheroes.
• 49:01
  Speaker 5: Right on. All right. We will be back.
• 49:10
  Speaker 3: Bye. Bye.
• 49:33
  Speaker 4: Golden, pure, creamery butter. Rich, flavorful, satisfying. That's what it
• 49:37
  Speaker 4: takes for the finest buttered popcorn, and that's what we use.
• 49:40
  Speaker 10: See for yourself why there's no showtime treat to equal.
• 49:43
  Speaker 3: The crisp, delicious flavor of hot popcorn that's bathed in
• 49:46
  Speaker 3: real melted butter.
• 49:48
  Speaker 4: It's at the concession stand now.
• 49:51
  Speaker 2: Frankenstein, born again to rule in terror. Frankenstein, unleashed to
• 49:57
  Speaker 2: conquer all, defying the force of armies, the might of navies,
• 50:00
  Speaker 2: and the fury of jets. Frankenstein conquers the world. See
• 50:05
  Speaker 2: Frankenstein Conquers the World, starring Nick Adams and Frankenstein, a
• 50:10
  Speaker 2: 100-foot monster bigger than the giant screen, in color scope
• 50:14
  Speaker 2: from American International Pictures.
• 50:23
  Speaker 5: Hi, you're listening to Movie Meltdown. This is Patty Mullen.
• 50:27
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• 50:28
  Speaker 5: Going out?
• 50:29
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• 50:32
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• 50:33
  Speaker 5: Have fun.
• 50:35
  Speaker 6: It's part of your problem, you know.
• 50:44
  Speaker 4: You haven't seen enough movies. All of life's riddles are
• 50:46
  Speaker 4: answered in the movies. And now, on with the show.
• 51:07
  Speaker 6: Burning in the fireplace There's a.
• 51:18
  Speaker 11: Night light In.
• 51:20
  Speaker 6: The darkness Of everybody's life.
• 51:31
  Speaker 5: All right. So now we are back with Epion 5. Hi.
• 51:35
  Speaker 5: Do you still want to go by your robot name?
• 51:37
  Speaker 10: Yeah, I like the robot name. I think it's cool.
• 51:40
  Speaker 10: Kids dig it, you know.
• 51:41
  Speaker 5: Kids do like robots. It's like a universal thing. Kids
• 51:44
  Speaker 5: always love robots.
• 51:45
  Speaker 10: Yep, and cereal. They love robots and cereal.
• 51:48
  Speaker 5: Well, then I am still a child.
• 51:51
  Speaker 10: We're always at heart. Really, we're at a Comic-Con, let's
• 51:55
  Speaker 10: be honest.
• 51:55
  Speaker 5: That's true. We're here amongst our own kind. No reason
• 51:59
  Speaker 5: to pretend now that we're not into robots and cereal
• 52:02
  Speaker 5: and that cape you're wearing right now. Anyway.
• 52:07
  Speaker 10: Just on a side note, I've often thought instead of
• 52:10
  Speaker 10: being in the art business and trying to sell art
• 52:13
  Speaker 10: at a Comic-Con, I thought I should have a booth
• 52:15
  Speaker 10: of cereal. You can just pick whatever cereal you want.
• 52:18
  Speaker 10: A bowl of Lucky Charms.
• 52:19
  Speaker 5: So it is a ready-to-go bowl? Or would you do
• 52:24
  Speaker 5: the little travel-sized boxes? Because those are kind of adorable.
• 52:28
  Speaker 10: I'm thinking I would actually have boxes of cereal. And
• 52:31
  Speaker 10: it would be like a little hole in the side.
• 52:33
  Speaker 10: And you pick a bowl. You get to pick. You
• 52:35
  Speaker 10: can just dump as much as you want. You can
• 52:37
  Speaker 10: mix and match. It's like a cereal buffet.
• 52:40
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I see that. I mean, I have... Again, not
• 52:43
  Speaker 5: that people are stealing your ideas, but this is like
• 52:45
  Speaker 5: in the real world. It would work better at a
• 52:47
  Speaker 5: geek fest, actually. I have seen the cereal bar places,
• 52:50
  Speaker 5: the super trendy people that open up kind of a diner,
• 52:55
  Speaker 5: but it's all cereal, and they have all these weird cereals.
• 52:59
  Speaker 5: I would say vintage cereals, but that kind of sounds scary.
• 53:01
  Speaker 10: I'm thinking at a Comic-Con, I would kill.
• 53:04
  Speaker 5: Oh, yeah. I think this is the right place. I mean,
• 53:07
  Speaker 5: there's some stuff down there in the food court, but
• 53:08
  Speaker 5: you would kick their ass. That's the way to go,
• 53:11
  Speaker 5: I think.
• 53:12
  Speaker 10: And then I could talk about movies like The.
• 53:16
  Speaker 5: Curse of Frankenstein. That sounds like a good idea.
• 53:20
  Speaker 10: Yeah, I think so.
• 53:22
  Speaker 5: For those of you who I assume you were here
• 53:25
  Speaker 5: last year, but if not, we've had Epion 5 on
• 53:28
  Speaker 5: before and we discussed art. So I think you should
• 53:30
  Speaker 5: go back and listen to that episode because it talks
• 53:33
  Speaker 5: about art and all kinds of awesome stuff that he does.
• 53:36
  Speaker 5: Thank you. But, you know, we'll drop the website in
• 53:39
  Speaker 5: there later anyway. But just in general, if you want
• 53:41
  Speaker 5: to hear way more art-related talk, yeah, go back about
• 53:44
  Speaker 5: a year, and there's one out there. There is. It
• 53:47
  Speaker 5: has Up Beyond Five right in the name. Just Google it.
• 53:49
  Speaker 8: I know.
• 53:49
  Speaker 5: You'll be fine.
• 53:50
  Speaker 10: I'm the only guy named that, so it's easy to
• 53:52
  Speaker 10: find me.
• 53:53
  Speaker 5: But this time, you know, last time we got carried
• 53:56
  Speaker 5: away on a whole Rocky talk, and this time I
• 53:58
  Speaker 5: was like, all right, let's pick another movie. Let's have another.
• 54:01
  Speaker 5: geeky discussion, and you went with The Curse.
• 54:04
  Speaker 4: The Curse.
• 54:05
  Speaker 5: Of Frankenstein. Of Frankenstein. I like that. It's like one
• 54:09
  Speaker 5: of those cheesy echo effects. The Curse, Curse, Curse, Curse.
• 54:12
  Speaker 10: That's my black metal voice, too.
• 54:15
  Speaker 5: Blackula?
• 54:17
  Speaker 10: That's another movie entirely.
• 54:18
  Speaker 5: We'll come back to that at a future convention. So,
• 54:23
  Speaker 5: let me give the official rundown here. We bypassed it
• 54:27
  Speaker 5: earlier because I knew we were going to have more discussions.
• 54:30
  Speaker 10: Do the rundown.
• 54:31
  Speaker 5: All right, so this week's Silver Theater feature is The
• 54:33
  Speaker 5: Curse of Frankenstein.
• 54:35
  Speaker 1: Do the echo.
• 54:36
  Speaker 10: The Curse of Frankenstein.
• 54:40
  Speaker 5: The year is 1957. The director, Terrence Fisher, and they
• 54:47
  Speaker 5: plot according to IMDb. And it's always fun the way
• 54:52
  Speaker 5: they word it. Victor Frankenstein builds a creature and brings
• 54:56
  Speaker 5: it to life, but it behaves not as he intended.
• 54:59
  Speaker 10: Really?
• 55:01
  Speaker 5: Now, normally I would say spoiler alert, but I think
• 55:03
  Speaker 5: you're kind of underselling that statement a little, aren't you?
• 55:05
  Speaker 5: Not as he intended. Damn it, he put his feet
• 55:09
  Speaker 5: on the coffee table. What the hell, Frankenstein's monster?
• 55:13
  Speaker 10: He didn't use coasters. He left rings.
• 55:17
  Speaker 5: I'm beheading you now, you horrible monster. So, I guess
• 55:22
  Speaker 5: officially spoiler alert. It's been a few years. Hopefully you've
• 55:25
  Speaker 5: seen it now. But actually, I don't, I mean... geek
• 55:29
  Speaker 5: that i am that's kind of why i like letting
• 55:30
  Speaker 5: other people pick movies sometimes is they will pick stuff
• 55:33
  Speaker 5: that i haven't gotten around to i don't think i'd
• 55:35
  Speaker 5: watch this in its entirety i knew the makeup i
• 55:39
  Speaker 5: knew that both of them had been in a ton
• 55:41
  Speaker 5: of them i've probably watched some of them in the
• 55:43
  Speaker 5: series but i don't remember sitting down and watching this
• 55:47
  Speaker 5: in recent history so this was a good reason to
• 55:50
  Speaker 5: sit down yeah.
• 55:50
  Speaker 10: Truthfully i i've actually met a lot of people who
• 55:54
  Speaker 10: have never seen Curse of Frankenstein or actually have never
• 55:57
  Speaker 10: even seen a Hammer film. That's sad for me. It
• 56:01
  Speaker 10: is sad because the Hammer films and even Curse of
• 56:05
  Speaker 10: Frankenstein have influenced so many contemporary films. It's unbelievable, actually.
• 56:13
  Speaker 5: One very specifically, which is our tie-in from last movie
• 56:18
  Speaker 5: that we discussed, How many times did I stand next
• 56:22
  Speaker 5: to a version of that tank as I'm sitting in
• 56:26
  Speaker 5: a stage watching a group of dorky kids reenact a
• 56:29
  Speaker 5: movie behind them? I don't think I realized it was
• 56:33
  Speaker 5: dead up. Obviously, Rocky Horror Picture Show is completely ripping
• 56:36
  Speaker 5: off the Frankenstein idea. I don't think I realized that
• 56:41
  Speaker 5: tank is exactly the exact dead up tank. Only painted red.
• 56:48
  Speaker 10: The aesthetics of Rocky Horror wouldn't exist if it were
• 56:53
  Speaker 10: not for the Curse of Frankenstein.
• 56:55
  Speaker 5: Again, you feel it's cultural impact, movie geek impact. Just
• 57:01
  Speaker 5: that alone, I was just like, well, no wonder he
• 57:03
  Speaker 5: loves this movie. It's almost like Rocky. I mean, minus
• 57:07
  Speaker 5: there was that one singing and dancing scene, but Cushing
• 57:10
  Speaker 5: looked good in those fishnets. Oh, my God.
• 57:13
  Speaker 10: Don't get me started on Peter Cushing.
• 57:15
  Speaker 5: No, this is the time.
• 57:17
  Speaker 10: I mean, there are multiple reasons why I mentioned Curse
• 57:20
  Speaker 10: of Frankenstein. One is the influence that it has on
• 57:23
  Speaker 10: film of today. Two is Peter Cushing. which some people
• 57:29
  Speaker 10: might not know him just by the name, which we'll
• 57:31
  Speaker 10: get into who he is specifically.
• 57:33
  Speaker 5: As a child, I knew him as Grand Moff Tarkin. Yes,
• 57:35
  Speaker 5: Grand Moff Tarkin from Star Wars. That really was my
• 57:37
  Speaker 5: entry point for him, but as time's gone on, I
• 57:39
  Speaker 5: have seen him in other stuff, and I'm like, man,
• 57:42
  Speaker 5: he's good. I do, and that's another reason. I'm like,
• 57:45
  Speaker 5: any reason to get me to go back and watch
• 57:46
  Speaker 5: more Peter Cushing is always awesome.
• 57:49
  Speaker 10: Most people remember him as Grand Moff from Star Wars
• 57:52
  Speaker 10: Episode IV, and that's all they know him as, and
• 57:55
  Speaker 10: they don't realize the depth of his acting ability because,
• 57:58
  Speaker 10: I mean... No offense to Star Wars. I'm sorry, Star
• 58:00
  Speaker 10: Wars nerds. Don't get pissed off at me. But there's
• 58:02
  Speaker 10: not a lot of in-depth acting in Star Wars. Certainly
• 58:06
  Speaker 10: not from him. He doesn't have enough screen time. So
• 58:09
  Speaker 10: you don't really get to see what he's capable of.
• 58:11
  Speaker 10: So Peter Cushing is a reason. Another reason is Christopher Lee.
• 58:15
  Speaker 5: I've heard of that guy.
• 58:17
  Speaker 10: And then another reason is the makeup involved and what
• 58:22
  Speaker 10: they actually did with the film that was very groundbreaking
• 58:26
  Speaker 10: at the time. So I guess that's four reasons?
• 58:29
  Speaker 5: All of it, yes. I think all of it, and again,
• 58:32
  Speaker 5: as we just left that previous conversation, all of it
• 58:36
  Speaker 5: needs to have like an asterisk for the time. Because
• 58:40
  Speaker 5: that became David's issues with it earlier was I think
• 58:44
  Speaker 5: it felt dated and he had issues with the dated
• 58:47
  Speaker 5: part of it. Which, again, if you're showing it to,
• 58:50
  Speaker 5: not that he's a kid, but I mean, he's, again,
• 58:52
  Speaker 5: as generations go on, you get people that, because you
• 58:56
  Speaker 5: process things differently because you grew up on these movies.
• 58:59
  Speaker 5: You see these older movies differently. So I think each generation,
• 59:02
  Speaker 5: couple of generations, it totally takes a hard left turn
• 59:05
  Speaker 5: of like, oh I can't watch that anymore.
• 59:07
  Speaker 10: Well it's like some people who are watching like the
• 59:09
  Speaker 10: new Godzilla film that came out yeah I forgot who directed.
• 59:13
  Speaker 5: It Matthew Broderick it's awesome oh no way I hate
• 59:19
  Speaker 5: you that's a horrible horrible film what.
• 59:21
  Speaker 10: The F is wrong with you for bringing that one
• 59:23
  Speaker 10: up actually that one caught you caught me off guard
• 59:25
  Speaker 10: with that um But like the new Godzilla films, it's
• 59:28
  Speaker 10: a CGI monster.
• 59:29
  Speaker 5: It is.
• 59:30
  Speaker 10: Not the same. And that's fine. People like it. I
• 59:33
  Speaker 10: enjoyed it. But at the same time, I really like
• 59:35
  Speaker 10: the guy in the rubber suit.
• 59:37
  Speaker 5: Who I just talked to earlier. Right. Yeah. He was amazing.
• 59:41
  Speaker 5: And yeah, I was just like, I want to shake
• 59:43
  Speaker 5: your hand. I don't want to break you. You're an
• 59:44
  Speaker 5: old dude. But I want to shake your hand because
• 59:46
  Speaker 5: you are awesome. And you're the dude that made all
• 59:48
  Speaker 5: of this happen.
• 59:49
  Speaker 10: You're the guy that ran around stepping on models.
• 59:52
  Speaker 5: Tanks. Which is what all of us wanted to do
• 59:54
  Speaker 5: as kids. Can that be my job? Is to be
• 59:58
  Speaker 5: in a rubber suit and step on little tanks and buildings?
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 10: And get paid for it?
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 5: Again, at the time, I probably didn't need to get
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 5: paid for it, which probably leads to my problems with
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 5: the finances as years have gone on.
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 10: Regarding the time, though, people nowadays would look at that
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 10: and think, oh, that's pretty cheesy.
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 5: It's very silly. That's not what I want.
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 10: But again, like the Godzilla movie at the time was
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 10: groundbreaking because it was dealing with certain issues, so. Yeah,
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 10: these older movies, it's really awkward to watch them if
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 10: you don't know anything about them, if you're not really
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 10: a fan of horror, or if you have no idea
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 10: who Peter Cushing is or Christopher Lee is, you're going
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 10: to watch this and you're going to be like, huh, well,
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 10: that's kind of hokey looking.
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 5: In a way, I mentioned this earlier, I was like,
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 5: that's maybe my favorite thing about it. As I said,
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 5: I even have some issues with some of the stuff
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 5: along the way But I guess Hammer in general, but
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 5: this was the one that kicked it off. So I'm like,
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 5: I can just exist in the aesthetics of these movies.
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 5: I went on earlier about color. I think the color
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 5: is amazing in this thing. But on top of that,
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 5: the props. Again, it is the reason I now want
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 5: to be a mad scientist. The stuff that becomes involved.
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 10: Whoever was the set decorator.
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 5: I mean, I guess we've already seen that. I guess
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 5: we'd seen a version of that like the Universal Frankenstein.
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 5: But again, they build on that and they give you
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 5: we kind of get a little closer look at a
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 5: lot of the stuff. Universal seems like you're from across
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 5: the soundstage.
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 9: Yes.
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 5: And there's just a lot of stuff back there. But
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 5: like this, we get a lot of like, look at
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 5: that weird bubbling beaker.
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 10: And what is that machine? There's a reason why. And
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 10: it's awesome. The Universal films were, I mean, they're classics.
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 10: No doubt.
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 5: And were massively groundbreaking for their time. They were. Again,
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 5: each couple of generations.
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 10: And they were all in black and white. And that's
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 10: the key issue. The Curse of Frankenstein, 1957, was the
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 10: very first color film. I think it was the first
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 10: color film that Hammer did entirely. And so this was
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 10: the first time that you got to see a Frankenstein's
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 10: monster in color. It was the first time you got
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 10: to see blood. In color.
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 5: In blood red. Blood red in color. The Crimson Tide.
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 10: That's actually something entirely different.
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm surfing the Crimson Wave. Wait, what? That's how
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 5: you get out of class, isn't it?
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 10: So this was the first time you got to see
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 10: anything in color, anything horrible, anything spooky. So Hammer decided
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 10: to play up on that. So that's why there's a
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 10: lot of close-ups. A lot of close-ups on colorful beakers.
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 5: Which I'm sold on right there.
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 10: And so for 1957, people had never seen blood in
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 10: color before.
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 5: I've mentioned before on the show... when they used it,
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 5: it was that theatrical blood, which is just pink. Like
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 5: it is just the reddest red. It is not at all.
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 5: The color blood really is, but it looks more horrifying.
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 10: I don't know what the film stock was or what
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 10: the processing is, but the colors are, it's like a technicolor.
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 10: It's very, it's very bright.
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 5: It's very vibrant.
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 1: Colorful.
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 5: Like, And I guess normally I would almost be like, Oh,
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 5: got to take points off for that in a horror movie.
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 5: That doesn't fit. Somehow in this world, it makes it
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 5: so much more interesting looking at this weird color palette
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 5: that they've gone with.
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 10: I don't know about you, the version that you watch,
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 10: let me ask you this. Uh, cause the version that
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 10: I've seen, and I don't know if it differs on
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 10: DVD or the bootlegs that I saw. Um, but so
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 10: you've got the color, which again is awesome. It's first
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 10: time you're going to see this. Um, But the version
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 10: that I saw almost looked like it had, I'm trying
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 10: to think of where it's darker around the edges.
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 10: What do they call that? I'm trying to think of
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 10: the stupid Instagram app that does that.
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 5: This is the world we live in now.
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 10: I know.
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 5: Welcome to the new generation.
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 10: So, I mean, the story takes place, I think it's
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 10: supposed to take place in 1818, I think is the date.
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 5: It all should be in sepia tone.
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 5: This is old times.
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 8: It is.
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 10: But, you know, suspension of disbelief.
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 5: I guess.
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 10: So you've got the color, but then you have, like,
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 10: the darkness around the edges. And that, too, also lends
• 1:04:10
  Speaker 10: to just the idea that, oh, this is taking place
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 10: in 1818, even though it is in color. But it
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 10: all works. Aesthetically, it works.
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 5: It really works. And, yeah, just the stuff in the
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 5: lab is so awesome. And I'm like. that big spinny thing.
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 10: The spinny thing.
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 5: I'm pretty sure you just stole that from the time machine.
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 5: I know.
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 10: HG Wells.
• 1:04:28
  Speaker 5: When I was watching it, I was like, I'm pretty
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 5: sure they reused that. You just ripped that off of
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 5: the back of a time machine.
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 10: Which is totally okay because Rocky Horror just uses the
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 10: tank and also where they filmed Curse of Frankenstein, Oakley Court,
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 10: which is the castle used in Rocky Horror.
• 1:04:46
  Speaker 3: Nice.
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 10: So same castle, same tank. Again, influences as far-reaching. But
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 10: going back to the color, so this is the first
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 10: time people have seen color. So Hammer's like, fuck it.
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 10: We are going to zoom in on these beakers, the blood.
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 10: And one of my favorite parts in the movie is
• 1:05:03
  Speaker 10: when they finally reveal the creature, Frankenstein's creation.
• 1:05:08
  Speaker 5: That weird little zoom?
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 10: The zoom. The zoom in.
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 5: It's disturbing still, but in that time, people would not
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 5: have been ready for that show.
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 10: No, they wouldn't. He's covered in bandages. This is for
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 10: the viewers who haven't seen it. You were supposed to
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 10: watch it.
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 5: You're doing this wrong.
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 10: He's covered in bandages, also referenced to Rocky Horror. It
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 10: takes that directly.
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 5: Exactly, in that same.
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 10: And zooms in, and the creature takes the bandage and
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 10: pulls it off his face, and fuck, there is Christopher
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 10: Lee close-up. And you get to see the makeup that
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 10: they did And that was one of the key features.
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 10: When Hammer Films was acquiring the rights to Curse of Frankenstein,
• 1:05:48
  Speaker 10: or Frankenstein in general.
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 5: Fighting for the rights. Fighting for the rights, yes.
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 10: Universal was like, well, listen, we've established the Boris Karloff
• 1:05:57
  Speaker 10: look that was done by Jack Pierce. You cannot do that.
• 1:06:01
  Speaker 10: So Hammer had to figure out, well, fuck, we got
• 1:06:03
  Speaker 10: to make a creature that is going to look awesome,
• 1:06:05
  Speaker 10: that looks nothing like Boris Karloff. But we got color film.
• 1:06:11
  Speaker 10: So they did a fantastic job. I actually love the
• 1:06:16
  Speaker 10: Christopher Lee version.
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 5: And then if you go into that story, they'd been
• 1:06:20
  Speaker 5: working on a version that they were supposed to do,
• 1:06:24
  Speaker 5: and they had a mock-up of Christopher Lee, and we're
• 1:06:26
  Speaker 5: doing all this stuff, and it just didn't work. So
• 1:06:29
  Speaker 5: they went into shooting with nothing and didn't even have
• 1:06:34
  Speaker 5: a mold. So the makeup guy... created the original one
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 5: like the day before on Christopher Lee. There was no
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 5: mock-up version. He did it directly on his face. They went,
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 5: and from like stuff laying around. It's like, that's why
• 1:06:47
  Speaker 5: it's like cotton balls shoved in there. Like there is
• 1:06:49
  Speaker 5: no latex. Little weird eye lens.
• 1:06:52
  Speaker 10: All of them.
• 1:06:52
  Speaker 5: Yeah. Stuff that he just put on there. And then
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 5: because they didn't prep for it. His mod beetle hair.
• 1:06:57
  Speaker 5: There was no, there was no mold. So every day
• 1:07:00
  Speaker 5: they had to start from scratch and redo that face
• 1:07:03
  Speaker 5: every time. I'm like, That tells you how winging it
• 1:07:06
  Speaker 5: they were on this movie because you would never plan
• 1:07:09
  Speaker 5: to do it that way.
• 1:07:11
  Speaker 10: Funny thing about that, relating that to Star Wars, everybody
• 1:07:14
  Speaker 10: loves Star Wars Episode IV.
• 1:07:16
  Speaker 5: I'm familiar with it.
• 1:07:17
  Speaker 1: It's a good film.
• 1:07:18
  Speaker 5: It actually is. More than people give it credit for.
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 10: Not so much.
• 1:07:22
  Speaker 5: Not so much.
• 1:07:23
  Speaker 10: And one of the reasons why is when George Lucas
• 1:07:25
  Speaker 10: was doing Star Wars, he was a young, unknown director
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 10: at the time. He did not have the financing to
• 1:07:32
  Speaker 10: do whatever he wanted, so he had to do stuff
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 10: on the spot.
• 1:07:35
  Speaker 5: This became the reason we have those dumb prequels. Exactly.
• 1:07:38
  Speaker 5: I didn't get to do all the crazy CGI effects.
• 1:07:40
  Speaker 5: I didn't understand.
• 1:07:41
  Speaker 10: The limitations actually lend to a better story and better creativity.
• 1:07:45
  Speaker 5: Better visuals. Better visuals.
• 1:07:48
  Speaker 10: When you have access to anything and everything, that's usually
• 1:07:50
  Speaker 10: when you seriously fuck shit up.
• 1:07:52
  Speaker 5: It looks boring.
• 1:07:53
  Speaker 4: Yes.
• 1:07:53
  Speaker 5: And like you're standing in front of a green screen.
• 1:07:55
  Speaker 3: Yep.
• 1:07:55
  Speaker 4: Oh, wait.
• 1:07:56
  Speaker 5: You are.
• 1:07:57
  Speaker 10: So, yeah, Christopher Lee as the creature, when they zoom
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 10: in on his face, you don't even think about, at
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 10: least for me, I didn't even think about Boris Karloff.
• 1:08:06
  Speaker 10: I didn't even compare it. I was like, holy shit,
• 1:08:09
  Speaker 10: this is something entirely new. It's entirely different, and it
• 1:08:12
  Speaker 10: works unto itself.
• 1:08:14
  Speaker 5: Also, that, and I kind of feel like that's really
• 1:08:17
  Speaker 5: the only time I remember it in this whole movie,
• 1:08:19
  Speaker 5: but it doesn't just zoom in. It's that weird little
• 1:08:21
  Speaker 5: choppy thing.
• 1:08:22
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:08:22
  Speaker 5: It's like they cut frames out so it jumps into
• 1:08:25
  Speaker 5: his face. And I'm like, again, they didn't do a
• 1:08:28
  Speaker 5: whole lot of trickery back in the day. Your old
• 1:08:31
  Speaker 5: Universal movies are pretty standard, point and shoot. Every once
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 5: in a while they'd get already in the framing, but
• 1:08:37
  Speaker 5: not a whole lot of film movement, not a lot
• 1:08:40
  Speaker 5: of crazy camera zoom. So it's like that, even in 57,
• 1:08:45
  Speaker 5: had to be pretty jarring for an audience.
• 1:08:47
  Speaker 10: It takes the audience actually into that lab.
• 1:08:51
  Speaker 5: And again, I guess at that point, if you're not
• 1:08:53
  Speaker 5: a geek that grew up when we did and we
• 1:08:55
  Speaker 5: saw pictures of him, but if it's 57 and you
• 1:08:58
  Speaker 5: have no idea what's behind there, that's going to be
• 1:09:01
  Speaker 5: a disturbing moment. That really is kind of like, oh shit,
• 1:09:05
  Speaker 5: what the hell is going on here?
• 1:09:06
  Speaker 10: And as far as when you think about Frankenstein's monster...
• 1:09:10
  Speaker 10: I really, there's been many versions of that story done.
• 1:09:14
  Speaker 5: Yeah. That became one of my problems.
• 1:09:16
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:09:17
  Speaker 10: I only think of two. I think of Boris Karloff.
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 10: And I think of Christopher Lee. I don't think about
• 1:09:22
  Speaker 10: Robert De Niro because he was in a version.
• 1:09:25
  Speaker 5: I like that De Niro. Look at that wonderful makeup
• 1:09:28
  Speaker 5: he had.
• 1:09:30
  Speaker 10: But I just, I don't, it didn't stick. I don't
• 1:09:32
  Speaker 10: remember it.
• 1:09:32
  Speaker 5: You are just jealous of that shirtless Kenneth Branagh.
• 1:09:36
  Speaker 4: Okay.
• 1:09:36
  Speaker 10: Kenneth Branagh though.
• 1:09:37
  Speaker 5: He should, he's, I wonder who directed that movie. I
• 1:09:40
  Speaker 5: think I need to be with my shirt off all
• 1:09:43
  Speaker 5: the time.
• 1:09:43
  Speaker 10: Kenneth Brown was really hoping he can be Peter Cushing.
• 1:09:46
  Speaker 5: I'm like, Kenneth, you're not really that cut. Put a
• 1:09:48
  Speaker 5: shirt on, dude. Get over yourself. That movie has issues.
• 1:09:53
  Speaker 5: But that then, I mentioned before, that is kind of
• 1:09:57
  Speaker 5: my problem with it is I feel like, and it's not,
• 1:10:01
  Speaker 5: as I said, it's not this movie's fault.
• 1:10:03
  Speaker 6: Right.
• 1:10:03
  Speaker 5: But for me as a viewer now, I've seen this
• 1:10:06
  Speaker 5: story so many times.
• 1:10:07
  Speaker 8: Mm-hmm.
• 1:10:08
  Speaker 5: That I'm just like, what else can we do? Like,
• 1:10:12
  Speaker 5: is there no way? I'm like, that's why every once
• 1:10:14
  Speaker 5: in a while you get Frankenhooker and you're like, they
• 1:10:17
  Speaker 5: went a different way with this story. I like this movie.
• 1:10:20
  Speaker 10: Forgot about that one.
• 1:10:22
  Speaker 5: So I was like, it is kind of fun sometimes
• 1:10:24
  Speaker 5: when they really do something ridiculous with it just because
• 1:10:27
  Speaker 5: at least it's not the same. and that's my thing.
• 1:10:29
  Speaker 5: It's like, it's not this movie's fault at all because
• 1:10:32
  Speaker 5: it was still relatively fresh at this point in time.
• 1:10:35
  Speaker 5: But I'm like the fact that they keep coming back
• 1:10:37
  Speaker 5: to the same story. And a lot of times they
• 1:10:39
  Speaker 5: don't vary it up much. It's just like, let's tell
• 1:10:43
  Speaker 5: the same version over and over and just slap a
• 1:10:45
  Speaker 5: different actor in there. And like, I don't know. I
• 1:10:48
  Speaker 5: think that to me, as, and maybe it's just me
• 1:10:51
  Speaker 5: getting to be a viewer who's seen more crap as
• 1:10:53
  Speaker 5: I'm an older person now. And I'm like, I've seen
• 1:10:56
  Speaker 5: this and I've seen this. So like, I think back
• 1:10:59
  Speaker 5: in the day when I would see stuff, I would
• 1:11:01
  Speaker 5: just be like, I want to see where the story goes.
• 1:11:03
  Speaker 5: If it's a story that I know that well and
• 1:11:05
  Speaker 5: I feel like they're not going anywhere else, I start
• 1:11:08
  Speaker 5: to get bored midway in. And I see that more
• 1:11:11
  Speaker 5: and more with new movies because they kind of keep
• 1:11:12
  Speaker 5: coming back to that.
• 1:11:13
  Speaker 10: Did you get bored as you were watching this?
• 1:11:14
  Speaker 5: This one, I just kind of kept looking for the differences.
• 1:11:17
  Speaker 5: That's my thing. When I get in, I was like, again,
• 1:11:20
  Speaker 5: I'm loving the visuals the whole time. I'm loving Cushing.
• 1:11:23
  Speaker 5: But I'm like, as we get into the story, I'm
• 1:11:24
  Speaker 5: just like, okay and then he wants to do that
• 1:11:27
  Speaker 5: and this guy doesn't want him to do that alright
• 1:11:28
  Speaker 5: alright and then he's gonna so then she's gonna be
• 1:11:32
  Speaker 5: the new wife person alright yeah so like I felt like.
• 1:11:34
  Speaker 10: All of those beats there's an acid bath you know
• 1:11:36
  Speaker 10: for exfoliation.
• 1:11:37
  Speaker 5: Yeah it's like I'm so familiar with the beats of
• 1:11:40
  Speaker 5: this story the thing I liked midway and I'm like
• 1:11:43
  Speaker 5: oh this thing with the maid on the side yeah
• 1:11:45
  Speaker 5: that's different.
• 1:11:46
  Speaker 10: That's groundbreaking for 57 how often do you get to
• 1:11:49
  Speaker 10: see a scientist wait how often do you actually get
• 1:11:52
  Speaker 10: to see a scientist who is also.
• 1:11:54
  Speaker 5: A player Not only a girlfriend, but a girl on
• 1:11:57
  Speaker 5: the side.
• 1:11:57
  Speaker 3: Yes.
• 1:11:58
  Speaker 10: Like that's craziness.
• 1:12:00
  Speaker 5: Spoilers. So I did kind of like that. That's one
• 1:12:02
  Speaker 5: of my favorite little add-ins there is the fact that
• 1:12:04
  Speaker 5: I'm like, oh, this is a new thing. He's got
• 1:12:06
  Speaker 5: a thing going on. I mean, if we want to
• 1:12:08
  Speaker 5: get into the girls, first of all, it's weirdo. By
• 1:12:11
  Speaker 5: the way, they're cousins. Yeah. Well, again. I know it's
• 1:12:13
  Speaker 5: back in the olden days.
• 1:12:14
  Speaker 10: It's a different time.
• 1:12:15
  Speaker 5: Yeah, they did that.
• 1:12:16
  Speaker 10: They married cousins.
• 1:12:17
  Speaker 5: But we all kind of did a little, you know,
• 1:12:19
  Speaker 5: we kind of. Got that little creeps shiver when they
• 1:12:22
  Speaker 5: were like, and you're going to marry this dude one day.
• 1:12:25
  Speaker 5: You guys know how science works, right? You're a science nerd.
• 1:12:30
  Speaker 5: You might. I mean, your kid might look like Christopher
• 1:12:32
  Speaker 5: Lee when he comes out.
• 1:12:33
  Speaker 10: He's only concerned with creating life he doesn't care about
• 1:12:36
  Speaker 10: if it's weird looking. You know, exactly.
• 1:12:39
  Speaker 5: Which explains my other favorite moment, the Franken-puppy. Oh, yes.
• 1:12:44
  Speaker 5: That was, I was, again.
• 1:12:46
  Speaker 10: I was really hoping you would mention this.
• 1:12:48
  Speaker 5: For a second, I was just like, oh, look, he's adorable.
• 1:12:51
  Speaker 5: That's all I needed, really, just a random dog.
• 1:12:53
  Speaker 10: The Franken-puppy? That was turned into a Franken-puppy. Yeah, here's
• 1:12:56
  Speaker 10: the thing about that. Again, 1957, Christopher Lee, fucked up
• 1:13:00
  Speaker 10: looking creature, awesome. Before that, yeah, they bring a dog
• 1:13:04
  Speaker 10: back to life. You know, it's in this tank, like
• 1:13:06
  Speaker 10: a little version of.
• 1:13:07
  Speaker 5: The Rocky Horror tank. A little Rocky Horror tank.
• 1:13:09
  Speaker 10: Yeah, so it's got water.
• 1:13:10
  Speaker 5: Why did they work that in there? Where's the dog
• 1:13:12
  Speaker 5: in Fishnet? And it's singing, you know. I don't know.
• 1:13:16
  Speaker 10: As I was watching it for the first time, the
• 1:13:18
  Speaker 10: first time that I remember watching it, I was like, okay,
• 1:13:21
  Speaker 10: that's a dead dog. I don't think that's a prop.
• 1:13:23
  Speaker 10: I think that's a real dead dog.
• 1:13:26
  Speaker 5: They really brought it back to life.
• 1:13:28
  Speaker 10: It was probably a twin.
• 1:13:29
  Speaker 5: No.
• 1:13:30
  Speaker 10: Okay, they did.
• 1:13:30
  Speaker 5: Yeah, they did.
• 1:13:31
  Speaker 4: Yes.
• 1:13:32
  Speaker 10: I like this better. Because the movie, I believe, was
• 1:13:34
  Speaker 10: filmed in real time.
• 1:13:35
  Speaker 5: It is a documentary, is it not?
• 1:13:37
  Speaker 10: Filmed in real time.
• 1:13:38
  Speaker 5: How Peter Cushing made human beings and Franken-dogs.
• 1:13:44
  Speaker 10: But it's the shocking aspect. And one of the reasons
• 1:13:47
  Speaker 10: why I like it, again, 1957. I'm looking at the dog,
• 1:13:51
  Speaker 10: and I'm thinking, holy shit, I don't think that's a prop.
• 1:13:53
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:13:53
  Speaker 10: I think that's a real dead dog, or it's sleeping,
• 1:13:55
  Speaker 10: but it's not fake.
• 1:13:57
  Speaker 5: Again, back in the day, they were not real concerned.
• 1:14:00
  Speaker 5: I don't think there was animal rights activists. So they
• 1:14:01
  Speaker 5: may have just, like, drug the hell out of him, and, like,
• 1:14:04
  Speaker 5: maybe he came out of it later, but who knows?
• 1:14:07
  Speaker 5: They didn't get a rat.
• 1:14:07
  Speaker 10: Next thing you know, there's a dog that, oh, we
• 1:14:09
  Speaker 10: brought this dog to life.
• 1:14:11
  Speaker 3: And then.
• 1:14:12
  Speaker 10: As Victor Frankenstein is looking for parts, my other favorite
• 1:14:16
  Speaker 10: part is he goes to buy a pair of eyes.
• 1:14:19
  Speaker 5: As we all have done.
• 1:14:20
  Speaker 10: It's no big deal.
• 1:14:21
  Speaker 5: You go to the local house. I found the table
• 1:14:23
  Speaker 5: earlier here at the convention with a bunch of eyes.
• 1:14:25
  Speaker 10: He buys a couple eyes from some skeevy seller, and
• 1:14:30
  Speaker 10: then it immediately cuts to an actual eye.
• 1:14:35
  Speaker 5: My favorite part of that scene is the fact that
• 1:14:37
  Speaker 5: they were discount eyes.
• 1:14:38
  Speaker 10: They were discount eyes.
• 1:14:40
  Speaker 5: Eyes where you go to haggle. I mean, if you're really,
• 1:14:42
  Speaker 5: I mean, you're desperate, you want to get a good
• 1:14:44
  Speaker 5: set of eyes, and you're going to haggle with the guy?
• 1:14:46
  Speaker 5: Come on, Cushing.
• 1:14:47
  Speaker 10: Also, that haggling scene was hilarious because it doesn't show
• 1:14:51
  Speaker 10: their faces.
• 1:14:51
  Speaker 5: It's just hands and money.
• 1:14:53
  Speaker 10: And it's like Peter Cushing's like, you know, 10 for
• 1:14:57
  Speaker 10: the pair. And this guy's like, 10-H. And then he's like,
• 1:15:01
  Speaker 10: 10 for the pair.
• 1:15:02
  Speaker 5: All right, 10. Like you say, 10 for the pair.
• 1:15:06
  Speaker 10: I'm not going to argue.
• 1:15:07
  Speaker 5: You're Peter Cushing and you're pretty damn cool.
• 1:15:10
  Speaker 10: And then again, cuts to an immediate shot of an
• 1:15:15
  Speaker 10: actual eye.
• 1:15:17
  Speaker 5: There are moments when just the, again, the juxtaposition or
• 1:15:22
  Speaker 5: even just the framing again they've all you know back
• 1:15:26
  Speaker 5: in the day they did some good stuff in universal
• 1:15:27
  Speaker 5: but that specific that shot i was like oh no
• 1:15:30
  Speaker 5: that after he kills the old man the cemetery shot
• 1:15:34
  Speaker 5: oh my god the mountains in the background yeah the
• 1:15:38
  Speaker 5: the procession leading into the church and then the framing
• 1:15:42
  Speaker 5: of the tombstone off center in the corner there i'm
• 1:15:45
  Speaker 5: just like oh, that's beautiful. There are beautiful shots in
• 1:15:48
  Speaker 5: that film.
• 1:15:49
  Speaker 10: That is nice. And the colors are beautiful. And again,
• 1:15:51
  Speaker 10: it's all colors and the composition. But you mentioned something,
• 1:15:55
  Speaker 10: another reason why I really will tell people you need
• 1:15:59
  Speaker 10: to watch this film, even if you don't like it,
• 1:16:00
  Speaker 10: watch it. Because he kills the guy. He kills a guy.
• 1:16:03
  Speaker 5: Leonard Bernstein.
• 1:16:04
  Speaker 10: Oh, okay.
• 1:16:05
  Speaker 5: Yes. They just refer to him as like... baron master
• 1:16:10
  Speaker 5: or something but I was just like I'm pretty sure
• 1:16:14
  Speaker 5: it's Leonard Bernstein I'm pretty sure.
• 1:16:15
  Speaker 10: Yeah so because he needs a brain yeah and he
• 1:16:18
  Speaker 10: is a genius he needs a genius brain but so
• 1:16:22
  Speaker 10: he's walking the guy up the stairs and you know
• 1:16:25
  Speaker 10: what's you know.
• 1:16:25
  Speaker 5: What's coming I was trying to decide which way it
• 1:16:27
  Speaker 5: was gonna go I was like Is he... Well, again,
• 1:16:32
  Speaker 5: I was like, is he just going to flip him
• 1:16:34
  Speaker 5: over that thing? No, he's going to kill this guy
• 1:16:36
  Speaker 5: to get in the brain. Or for a second, I
• 1:16:38
  Speaker 5: was like, is he just going to jump him from behind?
• 1:16:40
  Speaker 5: But you don't know. He's got tons of syringes. He
• 1:16:43
  Speaker 5: can inject him.
• 1:16:44
  Speaker 1: He can dexter his ass.
• 1:16:45
  Speaker 10: And that's why this scene is amazing because he's like,
• 1:16:47
  Speaker 10: I'll take you to the top of the stairs, smart man.
• 1:16:49
  Speaker 10: Take a look at this painting.
• 1:16:51
  Speaker 5: Oh, step back. Wait a minute. Just when he stops him,
• 1:16:54
  Speaker 5: I'm like, come on, dude, just get to your bedroom.
• 1:16:56
  Speaker 5: Get to your bedroom. Get to your bedroom. And he's like... Oh,
• 1:16:58
  Speaker 5: but wait a minute.
• 1:16:59
  Speaker 10: Let me show you this painting.
• 1:17:00
  Speaker 5: It's beautiful. Take a step back.
• 1:17:03
  Speaker 10: Step back one more. And then he pushes him over
• 1:17:05
  Speaker 10: the stairs. And then it cuts to the shot looking
• 1:17:09
  Speaker 10: down from the stairs of this body. And it's all
• 1:17:12
  Speaker 10: one shot. It doesn't cut away.
• 1:17:14
  Speaker 5: And that thing lands on its head. On its head.
• 1:17:16
  Speaker 5: It is hard.
• 1:17:17
  Speaker 10: And for the life of me, I cannot. And this
• 1:17:20
  Speaker 10: is a testament to how awesome the effects were at
• 1:17:22
  Speaker 10: the time. I can't figure out how they did that shot.
• 1:17:25
  Speaker 10: I don't know if that's a dummy or not. Or
• 1:17:27
  Speaker 10: if that's a person.
• 1:17:28
  Speaker 5: It doesn't fall like a dummy, though. It falls like
• 1:17:31
  Speaker 5: a person. And if it was a stuntman, they might
• 1:17:33
  Speaker 5: have killed a dude.
• 1:17:35
  Speaker 10: When they throw dummies off a cliff, you can see
• 1:17:37
  Speaker 10: the arms and legs flailing in not correct ways. But
• 1:17:40
  Speaker 10: whatever this is, it's a person or a dummy that,
• 1:17:45
  Speaker 10: I don't know how they did it, literally falls, lands
• 1:17:47
  Speaker 10: on its head, and it bounces. And you're like, oh, fuck,
• 1:17:49
  Speaker 10: they just killed somebody.
• 1:17:50
  Speaker 5: They just killed a dude.
• 1:17:51
  Speaker 10: They actually just killed someone.
• 1:17:52
  Speaker 5: The other thing is that it's not like he flips
• 1:17:55
  Speaker 5: him over the rail. The whole thing gives way. And
• 1:18:00
  Speaker 5: it's an old dude. He doesn't weigh that much. So
• 1:18:02
  Speaker 5: I'm like, did he plan it out so much that
• 1:18:04
  Speaker 5: he like sawed his way 99%? percent through and just
• 1:18:07
  Speaker 5: like all right any second now i'm gonna shove somebody through.
• 1:18:10
  Speaker 10: Hobby shop and i need some balsa wood i'm.
• 1:18:12
  Speaker 5: Like that's pretty sneaky that dude which we'll return to
• 1:18:15
  Speaker 5: that he doesn't know one of those moves later.
• 1:18:17
  Speaker 10: But um but like most films that i've seen when
• 1:18:19
  Speaker 10: they do stuff like that when somebody falls and you
• 1:18:21
  Speaker 10: know they're gonna land on their head it then cuts
• 1:18:23
  Speaker 10: to them landing on their.
• 1:18:24
  Speaker 5: Head it's either a cutaway and you get the response
• 1:18:26
  Speaker 5: of like peter cushing looking away oh god it's horrible.
• 1:18:29
  Speaker 10: Now this is one shot you.
• 1:18:30
  Speaker 5: Get like a close-up they cut to the bottom and
• 1:18:33
  Speaker 5: you watch like a stunt man fall from a foot away.
• 1:18:36
  Speaker 5: You know, it's like you don't get that single shot
• 1:18:39
  Speaker 5: of him falling on his head.
• 1:18:41
  Speaker 10: It is, it is gruesome to watch. Every time I
• 1:18:44
  Speaker 10: see it, I cringe because I cannot figure out how
• 1:18:47
  Speaker 10: they did it.
• 1:18:49
  Speaker 5: Ah, it's, yeah. that that part is impressive for no
• 1:18:52
  Speaker 5: other reason just they killed it before i'm pretty sure.
• 1:18:56
  Speaker 10: And then another another aspect of that film which also
• 1:18:59
  Speaker 10: caught me off guard so you know obviously creature escapes
• 1:19:03
  Speaker 10: he's watering the countryside oh we got Peter Cushing and
• 1:19:07
  Speaker 10: his associate, Paul Kremke, I think is his name. They
• 1:19:10
  Speaker 10: got to go find him. They find him. And what
• 1:19:12
  Speaker 10: does Paul do? Shoots him in the fucking eye.
• 1:19:15
  Speaker 5: Immediately. Well, there is a second of him like, no, no,
• 1:19:18
  Speaker 5: don't kill him.
• 1:19:19
  Speaker 10: Don't kill him.
• 1:19:19
  Speaker 5: And then what's the next thing you do? He kills him.
• 1:19:21
  Speaker 10: He takes it. It's a shotgun, actually. Shoots him in
• 1:19:25
  Speaker 10: the eye.
• 1:19:25
  Speaker 5: Which really seems odd that it would have done that
• 1:19:28
  Speaker 5: little rifle shot that goes through one eye, but whatever.
• 1:19:32
  Speaker 10: It was still jarring, though, when I saw it.
• 1:19:34
  Speaker 5: I was like, oh, fuck, they shot him in the eye.
• 1:19:36
  Speaker 5: He just shot that dude.
• 1:19:37
  Speaker 10: And, you know, Christopher Lee grabs his eye and blood
• 1:19:39
  Speaker 10: starts pouring through his hand. And again, you get to
• 1:19:41
  Speaker 10: see the blood in color. So I'm trying to imagine
• 1:19:43
  Speaker 10: what audiences did when they saw this in 1957. You know,
• 1:19:48
  Speaker 10: kids are proud. Well, I don't think kids could actually
• 1:19:50
  Speaker 10: see it because it was rated X.
• 1:19:51
  Speaker 5: It was rated X at the time. Well, but British
• 1:19:54
  Speaker 5: has its own like. Weird rating system. It is weird,
• 1:19:57
  Speaker 5: but again. That even now doesn't match.
• 1:19:59
  Speaker 10: Up to our version. They're killing stuntmen. They're shooting people
• 1:20:01
  Speaker 10: in the face, in the eye.
• 1:20:02
  Speaker 5: But the puppy was fine. The puppy was fine.
• 1:20:05
  Speaker 10: They did bring the actual dead puppy back to life.
• 1:20:07
  Speaker 5: Yeah, he was fine. He's fine, people. It's okay. Again,
• 1:20:11
  Speaker 5: to try to counterbalance, of all the love I'm heaping
• 1:20:15
  Speaker 5: on this thing, because it is awesome, there are moments
• 1:20:18
  Speaker 5: when you're like, it's 1957, and they're acting like, Because
• 1:20:24
  Speaker 5: when Paul puts his hand on his hip and does that,
• 1:20:28
  Speaker 5: what was his line? I did what had to be done.
• 1:20:32
  Speaker 5: And it is the most theatrical. It is so not
• 1:20:36
  Speaker 5: the kind of acting you would do in a film now.
• 1:20:38
  Speaker 10: It reminds me of Mick Jagger's ability.
• 1:20:40
  Speaker 5: Yeah, it's just, it is so. And like the scene
• 1:20:42
  Speaker 5: before that, what was the, oh, the little kid. The
• 1:20:46
  Speaker 5: little kid with the old, the blind guy.
• 1:20:47
  Speaker 10: Oh, the blind guy.
• 1:20:48
  Speaker 5: Girl, I'm going to go look for flowers, granddaughter. And
• 1:20:51
  Speaker 5: that's not just this movie. So many movies, especially back
• 1:20:54
  Speaker 5: in the day, but even now, like it's a very staged,
• 1:20:57
  Speaker 5: how often is something like horrible happen? Like, you know,
• 1:21:01
  Speaker 5: you're out with some family member you love and something
• 1:21:03
  Speaker 5: horrible happens. You stand up, stop, say something.
• 1:21:07
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:21:08
  Speaker 5: And then go run to see what happened. Grandpa, are
• 1:21:11
  Speaker 5: you okay? And then you go, you don't just like
• 1:21:14
  Speaker 5: haul ass over and see if he's dead. It wasn't
• 1:21:16
  Speaker 5: the brightest of kids. There were moments when I'm like, yes,
• 1:21:20
  Speaker 5: this is 1957. I understand that, and I appreciate it.
• 1:21:23
  Speaker 10: The acting was like, yeah, aside from Cushing. Yeah, I
• 1:21:27
  Speaker 10: was going to say. Because that's something else we'll get
• 1:21:30
  Speaker 10: to about Cushing, hopefully. And I mean, Christopher Lee had
• 1:21:33
  Speaker 10: no lines in dialogue.
• 1:21:35
  Speaker 5: You read that interaction with them, right? Which one? Supposedly,
• 1:21:41
  Speaker 5: I guess they got cast and they had met or whatever.
• 1:21:43
  Speaker 5: And at that point, Christopher Lee reads it and comes
• 1:21:46
  Speaker 5: storming into Cushing's dressing room. And he's like, I have
• 1:21:50
  Speaker 5: no lines. And Cushing very calmly says, I'll be glad.
• 1:21:54
  Speaker 5: I've read the script.
• 1:21:55
  Speaker 10: I did, yes.
• 1:21:56
  Speaker 5: I was like, well, man. First of all, Cushing points
• 1:21:59
  Speaker 5: for comedy there. That's pretty damn funny. And second of all,
• 1:22:02
  Speaker 5: I'm like, They knew what kind of movie they were making.
• 1:22:06
  Speaker 10: It's funny you say that because Cushing actually, in an
• 1:22:08
  Speaker 10: interview that I read with him, because he acted in
• 1:22:12
  Speaker 10: so many different things, different types of genre, pieces, plays, whatnot,
• 1:22:17
  Speaker 10: and he was an amazing actor. And again, people don't
• 1:22:20
  Speaker 10: get to see that because they only recognize him from
• 1:22:22
  Speaker 10: Star Wars. So they don't get to see the depth
• 1:22:24
  Speaker 10: of his acting ability. He spoke once about... When it
• 1:22:29
  Speaker 10: comes down to parts, he'll take the part that people
• 1:22:34
  Speaker 10: will enjoy him the most in and people will see
• 1:22:37
  Speaker 10: him the most in. I don't remember the actual line
• 1:22:38
  Speaker 10: because I've been drinking.
• 1:22:40
  Speaker 5: Again, that's the problem most days. I know. I mean,
• 1:22:44
  Speaker 5: that is something like you do see two different avenues
• 1:22:48
  Speaker 5: with most actors. It becomes a game of like, okay,
• 1:22:51
  Speaker 5: I want to be a good actor, but I need
• 1:22:53
  Speaker 5: to be successful too.
• 1:22:54
  Speaker 10: You got to make money.
• 1:22:55
  Speaker 5: How do I do that? Like, so that it is
• 1:22:57
  Speaker 5: kind of interesting to hear like these tips, even back
• 1:23:00
  Speaker 5: as far as, you know, Cushing working, like.
• 1:23:02
  Speaker 10: You got these two amazing actors who are taking this,
• 1:23:05
  Speaker 10: these roles that are going to be cheesy. It's going
• 1:23:07
  Speaker 10: to be cheesy. But the funny thing is like, and again,
• 1:23:09
  Speaker 10: I can't really speak for Christopher Lee in this film
• 1:23:12
  Speaker 10: because he has no lines, but again, in other films,
• 1:23:14
  Speaker 10: he's amazing. But Peter Cushing though, what he does with
• 1:23:18
  Speaker 10: what he was given was, I don't think anybody else
• 1:23:21
  Speaker 10: could have pulled it off. It's, He makes the role
• 1:23:24
  Speaker 10: of Frankenstein and how ridiculous it is bringing puppies back
• 1:23:28
  Speaker 10: to life and buying discount eyes as believable as could
• 1:23:33
  Speaker 10: possibly be.
• 1:23:34
  Speaker 5: He takes it so seriously for something that otherwise could
• 1:23:38
  Speaker 5: be very campy. His performance never... I'm trying to think.
• 1:23:43
  Speaker 5: There's a line. Okay, no. Maybe one line. I do
• 1:23:47
  Speaker 5: remember when they're like after... after he kills the old man,
• 1:23:52
  Speaker 5: and Paul catches him with their, and he says something
• 1:23:55
  Speaker 5: to the effect of, you're like, ah, you're taking his brain. Well,
• 1:23:58
  Speaker 5: he won't be using it anymore. I was like, okay, wait,
• 1:24:01
  Speaker 5: that was a little jokey. You might let your guard
• 1:24:06
  Speaker 5: down a little bit there, but for the most part,
• 1:24:07
  Speaker 5: I'm like, he is so committed to that role in
• 1:24:10
  Speaker 5: what could have been a ridiculous over-the-top performance. I'm like,
• 1:24:14
  Speaker 5: he just sort of milks it for all the drama,
• 1:24:16
  Speaker 5: and I think he's also so, focused in his like
• 1:24:22
  Speaker 5: way that he behaves on screen that you see how
• 1:24:25
  Speaker 5: detached he is from like the is there elizabeth elizabeth
• 1:24:30
  Speaker 5: his cousin yeah it's like he's so detached from her
• 1:24:32
  Speaker 5: could care less about this woman he's in theory he's
• 1:24:35
  Speaker 5: supposed to be married right.
• 1:24:36
  Speaker 10: He only cares about his work and it's but it's believable.
• 1:24:39
  Speaker 5: And then you get the one the of the the
• 1:24:41
  Speaker 5: only other time you get that other side of the
• 1:24:43
  Speaker 5: coin is with him in the maid he is a
• 1:24:48
  Speaker 5: all of a sudden out of nowhere like she's upset
• 1:24:51
  Speaker 5: that he's marrying this other woman he just starts laughing
• 1:24:53
  Speaker 5: at her I'm like oh this is the kind of
• 1:24:56
  Speaker 5: villainous side of Cushing.
• 1:24:57
  Speaker 10: You're pregnant I don't care.
• 1:24:59
  Speaker 5: Oh, well, no, then he more or less calls her
• 1:25:01
  Speaker 5: a whore. He's like, go up and down the whole tavern.
• 1:25:04
  Speaker 10: You want to go find stuff?
• 1:25:06
  Speaker 5: That's cool.
• 1:25:06
  Speaker 10: Go, hey, walk into this room. I could care less.
• 1:25:09
  Speaker 10: My creature will kill you.
• 1:25:10
  Speaker 5: It's just, for the most part, it's just, yeah, go
• 1:25:13
  Speaker 5: to any tavern in town. And you can blame it
• 1:25:15
  Speaker 5: on any man, because it's probably them. I'm like, damn,
• 1:25:19
  Speaker 5: you just called her out for 1957. And been back
• 1:25:23
  Speaker 5: in the daytimes, whatever time, whatever year we think this
• 1:25:26
  Speaker 5: is in. But yeah, so that little exchange with her
• 1:25:29
  Speaker 5: is pretty sinister for this character. The rest of the
• 1:25:32
  Speaker 5: time he just seems like kind of blind to what's
• 1:25:35
  Speaker 5: going on and super focused on his work and I
• 1:25:38
  Speaker 5: put my work above other people's safety and living. But like, Yeah,
• 1:25:43
  Speaker 5: that moment he turns. And then that's the other thing
• 1:25:46
  Speaker 5: as we get into the maid story, which is why
• 1:25:48
  Speaker 5: I like that whole running theme going through it. Everything
• 1:25:51
  Speaker 5: about that kind of caught me off guard. Because even then,
• 1:25:55
  Speaker 5: she's like, they have their little exchange in the hallway.
• 1:25:57
  Speaker 5: And she's like, I'll get proof. I'll get it. And
• 1:25:59
  Speaker 5: then I'm like, the next scene. I'm like, he walks
• 1:26:02
  Speaker 5: out of the labs. I'm like. You didn't lock the door.
• 1:26:04
  Speaker 5: She just said she's going to bust you. Pretty sneaky, sis.
• 1:26:11
  Speaker 5: I didn't see that coming. The fact that he totally
• 1:26:15
  Speaker 5: screwed her over, set her up, and took her out.
• 1:26:17
  Speaker 5: And I'm like, in one fell swoop, took out all
• 1:26:20
  Speaker 5: of his problems of her telling the authorities what he's doing,
• 1:26:23
  Speaker 5: having to deal with the baby, the secret woman he's
• 1:26:26
  Speaker 5: sleeping with. All of his problems knocked out in one
• 1:26:29
  Speaker 5: little sneaky move there. I'm like, yeah, I didn't necessarily
• 1:26:33
  Speaker 5: see that coming. So everything else that was so like,
• 1:26:37
  Speaker 5: all right, I know what's coming, the whole maid storyline
• 1:26:39
  Speaker 5: was interesting to me.
• 1:26:41
  Speaker 10: So, I mean, again, it is a cheesy movie. Like,
• 1:26:44
  Speaker 10: as much as I love it and I tell people,
• 1:26:46
  Speaker 10: you need to see this movie, I will admit, it
• 1:26:48
  Speaker 10: is cheesy. And I can understand why people don't like it. But, again,
• 1:26:51
  Speaker 10: because of Peter Cushing's acting ability, one thing, and I'm
• 1:26:55
  Speaker 10: sure you have noticed this, in all the Frankenstein films
• 1:26:59
  Speaker 10: that Hammer made after it, it was always Peter Cushing
• 1:27:02
  Speaker 10: that played Frankenstein. Why not? Because he was honestly the
• 1:27:07
  Speaker 10: best for that role.
• 1:27:08
  Speaker 5: And he, well, that's, that's, I was saying that earlier.
• 1:27:11
  Speaker 5: He was like, he is the star. Like, and all
• 1:27:14
  Speaker 5: of the American movies, it's, Frankenstein always comes back. The
• 1:27:18
  Speaker 5: Doctor's gone by half of those sequels, and it's the monster,
• 1:27:22
  Speaker 5: even when it's a different actor. It's going strange as
• 1:27:24
  Speaker 5: the monster now. We don't care.
• 1:27:26
  Speaker 1: It's the monster.
• 1:27:26
  Speaker 10: They have different monsters.
• 1:27:28
  Speaker 8: Yeah.
• 1:27:28
  Speaker 10: And the funny thing is, aside from Christopher Lee, I
• 1:27:31
  Speaker 10: really don't remember the monsters in any of the other ones.
• 1:27:33
  Speaker 10: I do remember Peter Cushing as Frankenstein in every sequel
• 1:27:37
  Speaker 10: after that. But the monster, I could care less.
• 1:27:39
  Speaker 5: Yeah. Because he's the star. It's because of him. He's
• 1:27:41
  Speaker 5: the important one in the series of movies that came
• 1:27:45
  Speaker 5: after it.
• 1:27:45
  Speaker 10: And like you mentioned, it's odd, because in America, people
• 1:27:47
  Speaker 10: watch the films for the monster. In the Hammer films,
• 1:27:51
  Speaker 10: at least I think, you watch it for Peter Cushing.
• 1:27:55
  Speaker 5: In that series, at least, definitely. That's why you would
• 1:27:57
  Speaker 5: come back. If you find out there's six sequels to it,
• 1:28:01
  Speaker 5: you're like, oh, yeah, I'm going to go see these now,
• 1:28:03
  Speaker 5: because Peter Cushing's insane, and I want to see him
• 1:28:06
  Speaker 5: do more of that. Yeah.
• 1:28:08
  Speaker 10: And he looks extremely stylish, let's be honest. He's always
• 1:28:11
  Speaker 10: kind of freaking cool.
• 1:28:13
  Speaker 5: That was, again, not to constantly go back to Star Wars,
• 1:28:16
  Speaker 5: but the fact that there was a dude calling the
• 1:28:20
  Speaker 5: shots for Vader. Vader, yes. You're just like, oh, that
• 1:28:22
  Speaker 5: dude is badass.
• 1:28:24
  Speaker 10: And then if you know the fact that he was
• 1:28:27
  Speaker 10: wearing bedroom slippers during those scenes and calling the shots
• 1:28:31
  Speaker 10: for Vader.
• 1:28:32
  Speaker 5: Well, I mean, they're in space. It gets chilly.
• 1:28:34
  Speaker 4: I know.
• 1:28:35
  Speaker 5: You got to keep something on your feet.
• 1:28:37
  Speaker 10: For the viewers who don't know, Peter Cushing couldn't wear
• 1:28:39
  Speaker 10: the Imperial boots for that scene. They were weird British
• 1:28:43
  Speaker 10: riding boots.
• 1:28:44
  Speaker 5: Nobody wanted to wear those.
• 1:28:45
  Speaker 10: He got to wear his bedroom slippers. So if you notice,
• 1:28:47
  Speaker 10: there are no shots of his feet, essentially, in Star Wars.
• 1:28:51
  Speaker 5: They pull back a little too far, and he's in
• 1:28:53
  Speaker 5: that boardroom with all the rest of the dudes in
• 1:28:55
  Speaker 5: their fancy uniforms, and he's got big fluffy bunny slippers on.
• 1:28:58
  Speaker 5: You're like, That does take a little of this.
• 1:29:01
  Speaker 10: And he's still the one telling, release him, Vader. He's
• 1:29:04
  Speaker 10: telling Vader what to do.
• 1:29:05
  Speaker 5: Oh, yeah. He's just so badass. He is. Yeah, I know.
• 1:29:11
  Speaker 10: And I get very sad because a lot of people,
• 1:29:14
  Speaker 10: when I say Peter Cushing, they have, again, they think
• 1:29:16
  Speaker 10: of Grand Moff Tarkin. They have no idea about the
• 1:29:18
  Speaker 10: other stuff that he did. Because, I mean, not just
• 1:29:20
  Speaker 10: Curse of Frankenstein, but also all the Dracula series. He
• 1:29:24
  Speaker 10: would always play Van Helsing. To Christopher Lee's Dracula. And
• 1:29:29
  Speaker 10: that was the other reason why I really loved The
• 1:29:31
  Speaker 10: Curse of Frankenstein. You have the beginning of the Christopher
• 1:29:35
  Speaker 10: Lee slash Peter Cushing bromance.
• 1:29:38
  Speaker 5: Well, and I, as we got to the end there,
• 1:29:41
  Speaker 5: I was like, I think he might be trying to
• 1:29:43
  Speaker 5: kill the monster anyway. Because you saw what I'm assuming
• 1:29:46
  Speaker 5: he was making is food for the monster. Do you
• 1:29:49
  Speaker 5: see the salt he put on there?
• 1:29:51
  Speaker 10: I did not see the salt.
• 1:29:53
  Speaker 5: Watch it again. I swear, I was just like, he
• 1:29:56
  Speaker 5: tasted a little bit, which it was kind of nice.
• 1:29:59
  Speaker 5: I'm like, he cares. The food tastes good for the monster.
• 1:30:02
  Speaker 5: But then he picks up this, I'm assuming a salt shaker.
• 1:30:05
  Speaker 5: It just dumps out of there. I'm like, dude, are
• 1:30:09
  Speaker 5: you trying to kill the monster? It's going to give
• 1:30:11
  Speaker 5: him a damn heart attack.
• 1:30:12
  Speaker 10: It's going to give him some salt.
• 1:30:13
  Speaker 5: He's like, don't worry. I can bring you back to
• 1:30:15
  Speaker 5: life if I kill you from a heart attack. I've
• 1:30:17
  Speaker 5: done it like three times today. It's okay.
• 1:30:20
  Speaker 10: I thought he was dead. He was. I brought him
• 1:30:22
  Speaker 10: back to life.
• 1:30:23
  Speaker 5: I can fix that.
• 1:30:23
  Speaker 9: Don't worry.
• 1:30:24
  Speaker 10: I can do that whenever I want.
• 1:30:25
  Speaker 5: There's an app for that. Don't worry. I've got this covered.
• 1:30:29
  Speaker 3: We've discovered the source of life itself and we've used
• 1:30:33
  Speaker 3: it to restore a creature that was dead. This is
• 1:30:35
  Speaker 3: a tremendous discovery but we mustn't share it yet. We
• 1:30:40
  Speaker 3: must move on to the next stage.
• 1:30:41
  Speaker 5: So the other thing I was going to get to
• 1:30:43
  Speaker 5: that I think I'm continually reminded of this and it
• 1:30:47
  Speaker 5: is one of those things that definitely came into play
• 1:30:50
  Speaker 5: in the Universal, but we break them up so much into, again,
• 1:30:55
  Speaker 5: we're at a geeky convention. I've got an action figure
• 1:30:59
  Speaker 5: for every monster, and each one is a distinct character.
• 1:31:02
  Speaker 5: And then the more and more, it's those weird moments
• 1:31:05
  Speaker 5: when you're growing up a geek, and you finally just
• 1:31:07
  Speaker 5: have that moment of, well, the mummy's just a zombie
• 1:31:11
  Speaker 5: with wrapping on him.
• 1:31:12
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:31:13
  Speaker 5: You realize the undead is just kind of all the same. Like, Midway,
• 1:31:18
  Speaker 5: especially looking at this version of the monster, I'm like,
• 1:31:22
  Speaker 5: he looks way more, and watching Lee move, I'm like,
• 1:31:25
  Speaker 5: he shuffles around like a zombie. And I'm like, well,
• 1:31:28
  Speaker 5: he is just a reanimated dead body. Is that not
• 1:31:30
  Speaker 5: a zombie?
• 1:31:31
  Speaker 10: But he's also wearing this extremely fashionable peacoat.
• 1:31:35
  Speaker 5: Which we decided he stole from Nosferatu.
• 1:31:37
  Speaker 9: Yes.
• 1:31:37
  Speaker 5: But, yeah, he, it is one of those, I'm like,
• 1:31:41
  Speaker 5: so many of those core monsters are, If you look
• 1:31:45
  Speaker 5: at him, it's the same thing over and over. Even Dracula,
• 1:31:48
  Speaker 5: he's certainly more sophisticated and stylish, but he's still a
• 1:31:53
  Speaker 5: dead body, is he not? He is the undead, so
• 1:31:55
  Speaker 5: the only variation is when you get into the natural side.
• 1:31:59
  Speaker 5: The only one that's drastically different is the werewolf. Lycanthropy
• 1:32:03
  Speaker 5: is the beast within you. Jumping around, you get to jump.
• 1:32:07
  Speaker 10: You have to worry about.
• 1:32:11
  Speaker 5: I can't control myself, which I'm like, now I look
• 1:32:14
  Speaker 5: at like, you see other versions of that. Like the
• 1:32:16
  Speaker 5: Hulk is just a werewolf that gets way bigger and
• 1:32:20
  Speaker 5: more destructive, but like it's watching the same idea. So it,
• 1:32:23
  Speaker 5: it kind of hits on that same story over and
• 1:32:25
  Speaker 5: over in different incarnations as time goes on. But like,
• 1:32:29
  Speaker 5: other than that, like so many of your, you know, like,
• 1:32:32
  Speaker 5: you know, your zombies and the mummy and Frankenstein and
• 1:32:36
  Speaker 5: Dracula to an extent, like they're all just a reanimated
• 1:32:39
  Speaker 5: dead body. And it, I don't know. It's so funny
• 1:32:42
  Speaker 5: that we give them all such specific little dividing. We
• 1:32:46
  Speaker 5: have to put them all on their certain little shelf
• 1:32:49
  Speaker 5: as geeks that we are. But I'm like, so much
• 1:32:52
  Speaker 5: of it is the same story that we kind of
• 1:32:53
  Speaker 5: dress up a little differently, literally, with different weird peacoats.
• 1:32:58
  Speaker 5: But I don't know. Yeah, it's like other than the
• 1:33:01
  Speaker 5: natural side, werewolves and the creature is a weird ancient monster.
• 1:33:06
  Speaker 5: Until you get to... Blade and well around this time
• 1:33:10
  Speaker 5: in the 50s you start getting the outer space monsters
• 1:33:12
  Speaker 5: and sure so again I just the more I thought
• 1:33:14
  Speaker 5: about I was like these these ways that we categorize
• 1:33:17
  Speaker 5: these monsters and Hammer just sort of zoned in on
• 1:33:20
  Speaker 5: this vampires and Frankensteins and it's a lot of vampires
• 1:33:24
  Speaker 5: in the Hammer catalog.
• 1:33:25
  Speaker 10: There are speaking of the vampires Cushing doesn't really do
• 1:33:29
  Speaker 10: it in in the in the Frankenstein series but in
• 1:33:32
  Speaker 10: the in the Dracula series I'm going to bring this
• 1:33:33
  Speaker 10: up I have a nickname for him I call him
• 1:33:37
  Speaker 10: Cushing the cat There's a reason why. Just go ahead
• 1:33:41
  Speaker 10: and watch the first Dracula, the Hammer Dracula. Cushing is
• 1:33:45
  Speaker 10: an older guy.
• 1:33:45
  Speaker 5: He kept making these for like 20 more years after
• 1:33:49
  Speaker 5: this one.
• 1:33:49
  Speaker 10: He basically did his own stunts. If you watch, he
• 1:33:52
  Speaker 10: runs all over the place and jumps all over the
• 1:33:55
  Speaker 10: place in Dracula. Again, I don't want to spoil it
• 1:33:57
  Speaker 10: for you kids out there, but he's fighting Christopher Lee
• 1:34:00
  Speaker 10: as Dracula. And Christopher Lee's Dracula, I've done paintings of that.
• 1:34:04
  Speaker 10: You've got Bela Lugosi, who in my mind was kind
• 1:34:07
  Speaker 10: of like very sensual. And then you get Christopher Lee,
• 1:34:10
  Speaker 10: who was just batshit terrifying in my mind. So to
• 1:34:15
  Speaker 10: kill him, Cushing sees that there's a window in this castle,
• 1:34:19
  Speaker 10: jumps up on a table, runs at full speed, and
• 1:34:22
  Speaker 10: then just jumps up into the air onto this window
• 1:34:26
  Speaker 10: where there's a tap, a curtain, and then pulls the
• 1:34:29
  Speaker 10: curtain down and falls to the floor. And that's all
• 1:34:31
  Speaker 10: in one shot. So there's no cuts.
• 1:34:32
  Speaker 5: Once again, it's Cushing doing it.
• 1:34:34
  Speaker 10: And you're like, holy shit, this old guy just jumped
• 1:34:37
  Speaker 10: up on a table, ran and jumped like a cat
• 1:34:39
  Speaker 10: and pulled this. And he does this in all the
• 1:34:41
  Speaker 10: Dracula films. He fights Christopher Lee, who is a giant
• 1:34:45
  Speaker 10: compared to him.
• 1:34:45
  Speaker 8: Oh, yeah.
• 1:34:46
  Speaker 10: He's massively taller. You've got this old Cushing guy who,
• 1:34:49
  Speaker 10: Cushing the cat, running and jumping, fighting. It's hilarious if
• 1:34:53
  Speaker 10: you actually watch it.
• 1:34:54
  Speaker 5: And much respect. I guess they weren't that different in age.
• 1:34:57
  Speaker 5: You know, they were probably comparable. The part, as far
• 1:35:00
  Speaker 5: as while we're sort of getting into getting to be
• 1:35:02
  Speaker 5: an old guy, if we're talking about ages in the
• 1:35:06
  Speaker 5: flashbacks in the beginning, how the hell did he catch
• 1:35:09
  Speaker 5: up with him and kind of surpass him? I was like,
• 1:35:11
  Speaker 5: we skipped two years later and now suddenly Cushing's older
• 1:35:15
  Speaker 5: than the guy who raised him. Like I don't, or
• 1:35:18
  Speaker 5: at least tutored him through those years. But I was
• 1:35:20
  Speaker 5: just like, but he's easily the same age as you.
• 1:35:23
  Speaker 5: Now I'd go with, years older. How about that?
• 1:35:27
  Speaker 10: It was a hard life back then. I guess so.
• 1:35:29
  Speaker 10: One of them put on a lot of city miles.
• 1:35:31
  Speaker 5: I guess. He was eating a lot of salt. Look
• 1:35:35
  Speaker 5: what it does to you kids.
• 1:35:37
  Speaker 10: There was a lot of salt in the Frankenstein household.
• 1:35:39
  Speaker 1: Message at home.
• 1:35:40
  Speaker 5: Lay out the salt.
• 1:35:42
  Speaker 10: Mrs.
• 1:35:43
  Speaker 8: Dash.
• 1:35:44
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• 1:35:45
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• 1:35:48
  Speaker 5: If only. Please send us a check. I don't know.
• 1:35:53
  Speaker 5: I guess how do we wrap this one up? Is
• 1:35:58
  Speaker 5: it just because it's kicking off? I mean, that's probably
• 1:36:02
  Speaker 5: the most impact it has, is kicking off the Hammer
• 1:36:06
  Speaker 5: world and all the impact the entirety of Hammer has.
• 1:36:10
  Speaker 10: I think, I know that Universal is currently going to reboot.
• 1:36:14
  Speaker 5: Yep.
• 1:36:15
  Speaker 10: All the horror films. And they're going to try to
• 1:36:16
  Speaker 10: make it a shared universe. I know they're doing The
• 1:36:18
  Speaker 10: Mummy right now with, I think, Tom Cruise.
• 1:36:20
  Speaker 5: As long as it's not Brendan Fraser.
• 1:36:22
  Speaker 10: Yeah. I think Johnny Depp's going to be in The
• 1:36:25
  Speaker 10: Invisible Man. I think they cast... That could be troublesome,
• 1:36:29
  Speaker 10: but whatever. Who's the guy?
• 1:36:30
  Speaker 5: Javier Bardem? Bardem? He's a good actor.
• 1:36:33
  Speaker 10: He's going to be the creature in Frankenstein.
• 1:36:35
  Speaker 5: I'm okay with that.
• 1:36:36
  Speaker 10: So you're going to have this new wave of horror
• 1:36:38
  Speaker 10: that's coming out And the reason I think people should
• 1:36:40
  Speaker 10: watch The Curse of Frankenstein or really any other Hammer
• 1:36:43
  Speaker 10: film for any reason is, I mean, first off, they're
• 1:36:45
  Speaker 10: going to be cheesy. But if you can watch it
• 1:36:49
  Speaker 10: and remember the time frame that it came out, I
• 1:36:52
  Speaker 10: think you will have more respect than if you just
• 1:36:56
  Speaker 10: watched it haphazardly. But they are important in that you've
• 1:37:00
  Speaker 10: got these new horror films coming out. And these new
• 1:37:03
  Speaker 10: horror films, even though Universal existed prior to Hammer, you
• 1:37:07
  Speaker 10: got these new horror films that I don't think would
• 1:37:09
  Speaker 10: be what they are today if Hammer hadn't have done
• 1:37:12
  Speaker 10: what they did in the 50s and 60s.
• 1:37:14
  Speaker 5: And again, I just want to watch them and immerse
• 1:37:17
  Speaker 5: myself in that world. I just want beakers and a
• 1:37:20
  Speaker 5: big bzzz thing. Colorful beakers. To reference Dr. Hafar. One
• 1:37:26
  Speaker 5: of those bzzz things. That's what I'm really looking for.
• 1:37:31
  Speaker 5: All right. Anything else?
• 1:37:33
  Speaker 10: No, I'm good. I'm glad we discussed this film. I'm
• 1:37:35
  Speaker 10: glad you watched it.
• 1:37:37
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm glad to have officially got it off the
• 1:37:39
  Speaker 5: checklist now because it's half of those older ones. I'm like,
• 1:37:42
  Speaker 5: I've seen bits and pieces, and I want to go
• 1:37:44
  Speaker 5: back and actually sit down and watch all of them
• 1:37:47
  Speaker 5: now and make sure I know where this important Cushing
• 1:37:51
  Speaker 5: storyline goes. Later, I know he hooks up with some
• 1:37:53
  Speaker 5: naked girls, so I'm looking forward to the 70s Cushing.
• 1:37:56
  Speaker 10: No, the Satanic Rites of Dracula, the Satanic Brides of Dracula.
• 1:38:00
  Speaker 10: I forget Dracula 80, 1979. Really, yeah. The Frankenstein, the
• 1:38:05
  Speaker 10: Dracula films. Oh, even the Hammer Werewolf with Oliver Reed.
• 1:38:09
  Speaker 10: That's a good one, too. An Oliver Reed famous actor who, sadly,
• 1:38:13
  Speaker 10: he died during Gladiator.
• 1:38:15
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:38:15
  Speaker 10: Yeah, died during Gladiator. They CGI'd him.
• 1:38:18
  Speaker 5: Yeah, they catered it to him at the end. Yeah,
• 1:38:20
  Speaker 5: but they filled in some weird... Again, at that point
• 1:38:22
  Speaker 5: when we were just getting to the point of, I
• 1:38:23
  Speaker 5: guess we can finish this movie. I don't know. How
• 1:38:26
  Speaker 5: the hell are we going to do this? Does he
• 1:38:27
  Speaker 5: have a brother? Rest in peace, Paul Walker. Anyway, so, yeah.
• 1:38:33
  Speaker 10: I can't believe you just said that.
• 1:38:35
  Speaker 5: But they did.
• 1:38:37
  Speaker 10: Yeah, it's true.
• 1:38:38
  Speaker 5: They brought his brother in and went close enough. Yeah.
• 1:38:41
  Speaker 5: CG a face on him good enough. So that's the
• 1:38:45
  Speaker 5: strategy we have to do now.
• 1:38:47
  Speaker 10: That's true.
• 1:38:47
  Speaker 5: Somewhere there's a half-finished Anton Yelton movie that we're trying
• 1:38:50
  Speaker 5: to figure out.
• 1:38:51
  Speaker 10: Oh, my God, yeah.
• 1:38:51
  Speaker 5: He doesn't have a brother. I already checked. Sad that
• 1:38:56
  Speaker 5: I immediately missed. He told me, I was like, does
• 1:38:57
  Speaker 5: he have a brother? Because somewhere there's a movie he's
• 1:38:59
  Speaker 5: not finished.
• 1:38:59
  Speaker 10: I know.
• 1:39:00
  Speaker 5: He's got eight already waiting to come out, but he's
• 1:39:02
  Speaker 5: not finished that one.
• 1:39:02
  Speaker 10: I have not seen the new Star Trek, but I
• 1:39:04
  Speaker 10: know they've greenlit a fourth one. So I first thought,
• 1:39:06
  Speaker 10: what the fuck.
• 1:39:07
  Speaker 5: Are they going to do? I'm like, are we going
• 1:39:08
  Speaker 5: to write him out beforehand? Because they went out of
• 1:39:11
  Speaker 5: their way to like, the other death in the Star
• 1:39:13
  Speaker 5: Trek universe, they purposely worked into this plot line so
• 1:39:16
  Speaker 5: we can go, all right, we put a bow on it,
• 1:39:18
  Speaker 5: it's done now, it's finished. So, like, we have to
• 1:39:21
  Speaker 5: work it into the continuity, right? God, I hope they
• 1:39:24
  Speaker 5: don't recast it.
• 1:39:25
  Speaker 10: I heard they're not going to recast it. I've read
• 1:39:29
  Speaker 10: they're not going to recast it, but they're not sure
• 1:39:31
  Speaker 10: how they're going to handle it yet.
• 1:39:32
  Speaker 5: He puts on a red shirt and he immediately gets shot. So,
• 1:39:37
  Speaker 5: rest in peace, Anton, too, because that, yeah, all of
• 1:39:40
  Speaker 5: these weird things, so. But, yeah, go watch some Hammer
• 1:39:44
  Speaker 5: Horror movies.
• 1:39:44
  Speaker 10: Yes. Peter Cush and Christopher Lee. Read about their bromance, too,
• 1:39:48
  Speaker 10: because that's fascinating in itself.
• 1:39:50
  Speaker 5: They didn't hate each other as much as... Oh, no.
• 1:39:52
  Speaker 5: Bella and... No, actually... Although, I was told that was overhyped,
• 1:39:57
  Speaker 5: that the Bella and.
• 1:39:58
  Speaker 10: Oh, the Bella and Boris?
• 1:39:59
  Speaker 9: Boris.
• 1:39:59
  Speaker 10: I've read that, too. I actually read that they were
• 1:40:01
  Speaker 10: quite friendly.
• 1:40:02
  Speaker 5: It was Boris's daughter, because I, being the jerk that
• 1:40:05
  Speaker 5: I am, brought it up, and she was just like, no, no.
• 1:40:08
  Speaker 5: Maybe she was just remembering Dad very fondly. Yeah. Supposedly,
• 1:40:11
  Speaker 5: they had a very professional relationship.
• 1:40:13
  Speaker 10: I've heard that, too.
• 1:40:14
  Speaker 5: They both respected each other, so.
• 1:40:16
  Speaker 5: If you don't believe what you see in Ed Wood,
• 1:40:19
  Speaker 5: which is a masterpiece in and of itself. It is.
• 1:40:22
  Speaker 5: That's a good one.
• 1:40:23
  Speaker 10: But I was going to say, Christopher Lee, actually, and
• 1:40:26
  Speaker 10: Peter Cushing became the best of friends. And it's funny,
• 1:40:32
  Speaker 10: as you watch the films, and you can even see
• 1:40:34
  Speaker 10: films of them just hanging out. You don't really see
• 1:40:36
  Speaker 10: this too much with gentlemen anymore, but they genuinely loved
• 1:40:40
  Speaker 10: each other. And Christopher, I don't remember the exact quote,
• 1:40:44
  Speaker 10: but Christopher Lee said after Peter Cushing's death that, you know,
• 1:40:47
  Speaker 10: in your lifetime, you're only going to find one guy
• 1:40:49
  Speaker 10: who gets you and you get him. And when that
• 1:40:52
  Speaker 10: person passes away, there's a hole in your heart that
• 1:40:56
  Speaker 10: will never be filled. And that was Peter Cushing for him.
• 1:40:58
  Speaker 5: Because Lee lived a lot longer than Cushing. So he
• 1:41:01
  Speaker 5: had a good span of time to be like, what
• 1:41:03
  Speaker 5: do I do now? I mean, knowing that. I guess
• 1:41:05
  Speaker 5: I got to start a metal band.
• 1:41:07
  Speaker 10: And his metal band is awesome.
• 1:41:08
  Speaker 5: Which he did.
• 1:41:09
  Speaker 10: But knowing that is another reason. and that's a, that's
• 1:41:12
  Speaker 10: a biased reason for me, at least to why I
• 1:41:14
  Speaker 10: love the hammer film so much is knowing that these
• 1:41:16
  Speaker 10: two guys loved each other and they were actually making
• 1:41:19
  Speaker 10: films together. And that's, that's pretty awesome when you actually
• 1:41:22
  Speaker 10: have people who, uh, have a relationship who are making
• 1:41:25
  Speaker 10: something for the horror community at the time.
• 1:41:28
  Speaker 5: That does seem like guys that had respect for each
• 1:41:31
  Speaker 5: other and like totally were there to, you know, make
• 1:41:34
  Speaker 5: sure they did the best job and put together the
• 1:41:36
  Speaker 5: best product. And it's probably why these movies are as
• 1:41:39
  Speaker 5: good as they are.
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  Speaker 10: So, And as cheesy as they are. As good as
• 1:41:42
  Speaker 10: they are for being as cheesy.
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  Speaker 5: As they are. Again, as I said earlier, they knew
• 1:41:47
  Speaker 5: what kind of movies they were. Oh, yeah. And you
• 1:41:49
  Speaker 5: kind of want a little of that. That's what brings
• 1:41:50
  Speaker 5: the audience to these movies.
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  Speaker 10: The funny thing is, I watch those movies, and I
• 1:41:54
  Speaker 10: still think they're more terrifying and frightening than some of
• 1:41:57
  Speaker 10: the modern.
• 1:41:58
  Speaker 5: Depending on the movie. Yeah, depending.
• 1:42:00
  Speaker 10: But for the most part, I would rather watch a
• 1:42:03
  Speaker 10: Hammer film than pay $ 10 to go see something in
• 1:42:07
  Speaker 10: the theater nowadays.
• 1:42:08
  Speaker 5: But that's me.
• 1:42:08
  Speaker 10: I'm old-fashioned.
• 1:42:09
  Speaker 5: I'm bitter.
• 1:42:10
  Speaker 10: And I'm old.
• 1:42:11
  Speaker 5: Well, as the cranky old man that you are, tell
• 1:42:14
  Speaker 5: people where to find you. You're out there on the Googles.
• 1:42:17
  Speaker 10: I am out there. Again, the easiest way, I mean,
• 1:42:19
  Speaker 10: I go by the name Epion5. So the cool thing
• 1:42:21
  Speaker 10: about that is if you just Google E-P-Y-O-N and the
• 1:42:25
  Speaker 10: number five, I'm the first thing that pops up. So
• 1:42:27
  Speaker 10: you can find my Facebook page.
• 1:42:28
  Speaker 5: Space or no space? No space.
• 1:42:30
  Speaker 10: No space. It really doesn't matter. Even if you put
• 1:42:33
  Speaker 10: a space in, it doesn't matter. Google will correct.
• 1:42:35
  Speaker 5: You and say, did you mean Epion no space five?
• 1:42:39
  Speaker 5: And you'll be like, God, no, not that guy.
• 1:42:40
  Speaker 10: The other one. The other.
• 1:42:42
  Speaker 5: Space Five. You know, duh.
• 1:42:45
  Speaker 10: So, yeah, but if you type that in, you will
• 1:42:48
  Speaker 10: find my Facebook page, my Instagram page. Even if you
• 1:42:52
  Speaker 10: do a Google search, which I tell people, do a
• 1:42:53
  Speaker 10: Google image search. It'll bring up pretty much everything that
• 1:42:56
  Speaker 10: I've done. Which is impressive, by the way. And then
• 1:43:00
  Speaker 10: you can just download that and print it out yourself
• 1:43:02
  Speaker 10: and not pay me any money.
• 1:43:03
  Speaker 5: No, that's not how you do it. Don't do that.
• 1:43:06
  Speaker 5: Please give this man some money. He's done some amazing artwork.
• 1:43:09
  Speaker 10: I do. I, I traveled the country and go to
• 1:43:13
  Speaker 10: my schedule. It's like, I swear. I think I tour
• 1:43:15
  Speaker 10: more than bands do.
• 1:43:17
  Speaker 5: Yeah, you kind of do.
• 1:43:18
  Speaker 10: Like every week I'm in some other place in the
• 1:43:21
  Speaker 10: United States showing off artwork and selling prints.
• 1:43:24
  Speaker 5: I feel like I'm at these all the time. And
• 1:43:27
  Speaker 5: then I look at your like feed and see where
• 1:43:29
  Speaker 5: you are this next week. And I'm like, Good God,
• 1:43:32
  Speaker 5: this is tiring for me, and all I do is
• 1:43:35
  Speaker 5: this every weekend.
• 1:43:36
  Speaker 10: Currently, I'm in Louisville, Kentucky. Two weeks from now, I
• 1:43:40
  Speaker 10: will be in Rhode Island. A week after that, I
• 1:43:42
  Speaker 10: will be in Bloomington, Indiana. I forget after that that
• 1:43:45
  Speaker 10: then it'll be a new month.
• 1:43:46
  Speaker 5: We're planning the Chicago trip now. We're branching out, too.
• 1:43:50
  Speaker 5: We're heading even further out into the world. That's awesome.
• 1:43:52
  Speaker 10: Chicago's a good one.
• 1:43:54
  Speaker 5: World domination. That's what we're planning. It's a slow trip
• 1:43:57
  Speaker 5: so far, but that's where we're planning on ending up, so.
• 1:44:00
  Speaker 10: Invest in a Dodge Caravan. That's what I tell people.
• 1:44:03
  Speaker 5: I just had to upgrade because my car died.
• 1:44:06
  Speaker 8: Oh, no.
• 1:44:06
  Speaker 5: But the new meltdown machine is parked outside, right?
• 1:44:09
  Speaker 10: What is the new meltdown machine?
• 1:44:11
  Speaker 5: Do I plug them? They haven't given me money. Back
• 1:44:14
  Speaker 5: in the day, this vehicle was a joke, but my
• 1:44:17
  Speaker 5: Kia is pretty damned awesome. Dude, no way. That is awesome.
• 1:44:20
  Speaker 5: I mean, like, even 10 years ago, they were still
• 1:44:22
  Speaker 5: a joke. I knew somebody who worked at the dealer and, like,
• 1:44:26
  Speaker 5: worked– In the parts department and deals with them. They're like, no,
• 1:44:30
  Speaker 5: they're really good cars now.
• 1:44:31
  Speaker 10: My brother works for, actually works for Honda. He works
• 1:44:36
  Speaker 10: at a plant and he's one of the upper guys.
• 1:44:38
  Speaker 10: And so I always go to him with car questions.
• 1:44:40
  Speaker 5: What do I get?
• 1:44:41
  Speaker 10: Because I'm an artist. I don't. I don't know how
• 1:44:44
  Speaker 10: to do anything.
• 1:44:45
  Speaker 5: I can't fix car parts.
• 1:44:47
  Speaker 10: But he actually told me, he's like, when Kia first
• 1:44:50
  Speaker 10: came out, it was not.
• 1:44:51
  Speaker 5: It was a joke. There was a reason they were
• 1:44:52
  Speaker 5: buy one, get one free.
• 1:44:53
  Speaker 10: Yeah. But he was like, the new ones, he's like, no,
• 1:44:56
  Speaker 10: fucked up, man. They are actually good cars. So if
• 1:44:58
  Speaker 10: you got a Kia, good for you.
• 1:45:00
  Speaker 5: I'm very happy with it. And it is the machine.
• 1:45:04
  Speaker 5: For me, I... There's room for me to haul shit around,
• 1:45:06
  Speaker 5: which is what I was looking forward to.
• 1:45:07
  Speaker 10: I got a crap ton of paintings I gotta haul.
• 1:45:10
  Speaker 10: So for me, my girlfriend and I invested in a
• 1:45:14
  Speaker 10: use Dodge Caravans. It's got the stow-and-go seats that fold flat.
• 1:45:19
  Speaker 5: I have a version of this.
• 1:45:21
  Speaker 10: Every convention I go to, I try to count how
• 1:45:24
  Speaker 10: many Dodge Caravans I see because it's like the unofficial
• 1:45:26
  Speaker 10: car of all the vendors.
• 1:45:28
  Speaker 8: Oh, Lord.
• 1:45:29
  Speaker 5: Well, then I buried it up a little bit, but yeah,
• 1:45:32
  Speaker 5: I'm happy with it so far. So we'll be taking
• 1:45:34
  Speaker 5: that on the road to a town near you. I
• 1:45:37
  Speaker 5: don't know if you'll come and see us because we
• 1:45:39
  Speaker 5: just live in the audio world. Nobody bothers to come
• 1:45:41
  Speaker 5: and see us, but You can hear about it later.
• 1:45:44
  Speaker 10: Figuratively speaking, you know, see you on the internet.
• 1:45:47
  Speaker 5: Yeah. Support the show. That's all I'm asking.
• 1:45:49
  Speaker 4: Awesome.
• 1:45:50
  Speaker 5: Help me pay off this Kia.
• 1:45:51
  Speaker 1: It's pricey.
• 1:45:53
  Speaker 5: You know how those Kias are. Which Kia is it,
• 1:45:54
  Speaker 5: if you don't mind me asking? The Sportage. Oh, okay.
• 1:45:57
  Speaker 5: That's the SUV one. It is the SUV. It is
• 1:45:59
  Speaker 5: pretty close to what you were describing on yours, and
• 1:46:01
  Speaker 5: I can store all our random junk, which isn't near
• 1:46:04
  Speaker 5: as much audio equipment as it used to be, but
• 1:46:06
  Speaker 5: I've got some new T-shirt ideas.
• 1:46:08
  Speaker 10: Sure.
• 1:46:09
  Speaker 5: I want to get cool artists to do stuff. Hint, hint.
• 1:46:12
  Speaker 10: I'll do it for you.
• 1:46:13
  Speaker 5: Just saying. So, yeah, I want to put together some
• 1:46:15
  Speaker 5: cool stuff.
• 1:46:16
  Speaker 8: I will make it.
• 1:46:17
  Speaker 5: And then I can park at a table next to you.
• 1:46:20
  Speaker 5: Or I can take that table you're going to get.
• 1:46:21
  Speaker 5: I'll be that guy that stole your table.
• 1:46:23
  Speaker 10: Be the guy. Oh, yes. For people out there, by
• 1:46:26
  Speaker 10: the way, if you're wanting to get in on a Comic-Con,
• 1:46:28
  Speaker 10: you have to book a year in advance now. Because
• 1:46:31
  Speaker 10: every mother and their son is, oh, they're going to
• 1:46:34
  Speaker 10: have a Comic-Con here?
• 1:46:35
  Speaker 5: I better get Johnny a table.
• 1:46:36
  Speaker 10: Yes, let's get him.
• 1:46:37
  Speaker 5: Take his paintings off the refrigerator.
• 1:46:39
  Speaker 12: Yeah.
• 1:46:40
  Speaker 10: So I'm sorry if I sound bitter. We've covered that.
• 1:46:45
  Speaker 9: You are bitter.
• 1:46:45
  Speaker 10: There's a lot of Comic-Cons that I was meeting to
• 1:46:47
  Speaker 10: book this year, and they're like, no, we're sold out.
• 1:46:49
  Speaker 5: I was like, what the fuck? Damn you other people
• 1:46:53
  Speaker 5: with your jumping on the bandwagon.
• 1:46:55
  Speaker 10: That's all right.
• 1:46:55
  Speaker 4: Whatever.
• 1:46:57
  Speaker 1: Your stuff's better anyway.
• 1:46:59
  Speaker 5: It's stuff. I like your stuff.
• 1:47:01
  Speaker 10: Thank you.
• 1:47:02
  Speaker 5: I appreciate it. So yeah, go buy his stuff. Support
• 1:47:05
  Speaker 5: him too.
• 1:47:05
  Speaker 10: Just Google Epion5. Find me on Facebook. Instagram actually works
• 1:47:10
  Speaker 10: quite well for me, actually. I've sold a lot of
• 1:47:12
  Speaker 10: work through Instagram.
• 1:47:13
  Speaker 5: We finally jumped on board. Actually, I tried to do
• 1:47:15
  Speaker 5: it like a year or so ago, and my phone
• 1:47:17
  Speaker 5: before just had some sort of problem. It wouldn't do Instagram.
• 1:47:21
  Speaker 5: So once I had to get a new phone, because
• 1:47:23
  Speaker 5: that one quit working, the new version works okay. Every
• 1:47:28
  Speaker 5: once in a while, I take a picture of something,
• 1:47:30
  Speaker 5: and it's on Instagram.
• 1:47:31
  Speaker 10: For whatever reason, that one works the best for me.
• 1:47:34
  Speaker 10: People in Australia found me and were like, oh, we
• 1:47:36
  Speaker 10: like you. Let's buy some stuff. So I was shipping
• 1:47:39
  Speaker 10: paintings to Australia. So Matt and Jed, if you're listening
• 1:47:42
  Speaker 10: to this, thank you.
• 1:47:43
  Speaker 5: Please do. We actually do have Australian listeners. Matt and Jed, you.
• 1:47:48
  Speaker 10: Are my two favorite guys out in Australia.
• 1:47:50
  Speaker 5: Jump on board with the international meltdown fandom.
• 1:47:54
  Speaker 10: So yeah, look me up.
• 1:47:56
  Speaker 5: Say hi.
• 1:47:56
  Speaker 10: Harass me.
• 1:47:57
  Speaker 5: I don't care. Bye, and thank you for being here
• 1:48:00
  Speaker 5: at Fandom Fest. Thanks to them for letting us come
• 1:48:02
  Speaker 5: here and bother you and record stuff in the middle
• 1:48:06
  Speaker 5: of this crazy old man hall.
• 1:48:07
  Speaker 10: Yes, the hall of death.
• 1:48:09
  Speaker 5: For more on them, go to fandomfest.com, and you'll see
• 1:48:14
  Speaker 5: what's going on next time around. Otherwise, I think that's
• 1:48:18
  Speaker 5: about it. We're going to head out here. Peace out.
• 1:48:21
  Speaker 5: Peace out. Yeah, we won't end it that way.
• 1:48:24
  Speaker 10: I can't actually, I don't know how to end this,
• 1:48:26
  Speaker 10: so I'll leave it to you.
• 1:48:27
  Speaker 5: I will. Otherwise, that about does it. We will return
• 1:48:28
  Speaker 5: next time. Same geek feed. Thanks for listening.
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  Speaker 11: Come on, everybody, we're going to the very left.
• 1:48:39
  Speaker 10: Come on, everybody.
• 1:48:40
  Speaker 12: Come on, everybody, we're going to the very left.
• 1:48:44
  Speaker 5: Come on, everybody.
• 1:48:45
  Speaker 8: We do the Frankenstein twist, and.
• 1:48:47
  Speaker 12: They tell me that it's really hard. When you get there,
• 1:48:53
  Speaker 12: they tell me that you're falling a chance.
• 1:48:55
  Speaker 10: Come on, everybody, hey.
• 1:48:57
  Speaker 11: When you get.
• 1:48:58
  Speaker 3: There, they tell me that you're falling a chance.
• 1:49:01
  Speaker 11: Come on, everybody, hey.
• 1:49:03
  Speaker 12: And then the next thing you know, you're out on
• 1:49:06
  Speaker 12: the floor doing the Frankenstein dance. When I say, put
• 1:49:09
  Speaker 12: your hands on your side, and then you do like
• 1:49:12
  Speaker 12: a little fist. But when I say, raise your arms
• 1:49:15
  Speaker 12: up high, and then you do the Frankenstein twist.
• 1:49:17
  Speaker 8: Are you ready?
• 1:49:19
  Speaker 5: I'm ready.
• 1:49:19
  Speaker 8: Are you ready?
• 1:49:22
  Speaker 11: I'm ready, I'm ready right now.
• 1:49:22
  Speaker 8: Let's do the Frankenstein.
• 1:49:23
  Speaker 5: Get up, get up, get up, get up.
• 1:49:25
  Speaker 6: One more time.
• 1:49:27
  Speaker 12: Get up, get up, get up, get up. It's gonna
• 1:49:33
  Speaker 12: work out fine.
• 1:49:37
  Speaker 5: Get up, get up, get up, get up.
• 1:49:39
  Speaker 8: One more time.
• 1:49:41
  Speaker 6: Get up, get up, get up, get.
• 1:49:47
  Speaker 12: Up.
• 1:49:47
  Speaker 5: One more time.
• 1:49:53
  Speaker 11: One more time.
• 1:50:02
  Speaker 5: One more time. One more.
• 1:50:16
  Speaker 8: Time.
• 1:50:41
  Speaker 5: One more time.
• 1:50:43
  Speaker 6: One more time One more time.
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  Speaker 8: I'm pretty white.
• 1:51:24
  Speaker 10: I mean, I did live in Gary for nine years.
• 1:51:27
  Speaker 5: So white. I don't know how you survived Gary. Just saying.
• 1:51:31
  Speaker 5: Just saying.
• 1:51:32
  Speaker 10: I got robbed a few times, once at gunpoint.
• 1:51:36
  Speaker 5: I've been through, Gary. There's a reason you don't stop.
• 1:51:39
  Speaker 5: You did it wrong. You're not supposed to stop in Gary.
• 1:51:41
  Speaker 5: You keep driving until you get to Chicago. I bought
• 1:51:44
  Speaker 5: a house in Gary. I don't know what I was thinking.
• 1:51:46
  Speaker 5: For like four bucks? They got a giveaway, right? It
• 1:51:49
  Speaker 5: was pretty cheap, actually.
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  Speaker 3: Talk hard!