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EYL 297: Inside the $300 Billion Wine Industry: How Donae Burston Launched a Black-Owned Wine Company · Earn Your Leisure

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Speaker 5: I want to build my own legacy in the winter
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Speaker 5: spirits industry.
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Speaker 2: How cost intensive was this journey.
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Speaker 1: Bank account savings, credit card alliver? It was maxed out.
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Speaker 2: How'd you get American Airlines convince them to say, look,
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Speaker 2: we need to have this inside of the arena?
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Speaker 1: I mean, Miami is a rose cultures that didn't take
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Speaker 1: a lot. I got to talk about it.
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Speaker 5: It's a big When I was there, we were arch enemies.
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Speaker 5: It was fun to go back and excuse my friends
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Speaker 5: shit on people.
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Speaker 1: What are the marketing goes by territory?
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Speaker 5: A lot of balancing the nightclub world and then catering
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Speaker 5: to the super wealthy.
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Speaker 2: Allow ethnity stakeholders to come in.
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Speaker 1: Or we're going to sell the whole thing.
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Speaker 5: I never set my goals on being the number one
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Speaker 5: black owned rose brand in the world.
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Speaker 1: No, I'm going to be the number one rose brand
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Speaker 1: the world.
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Speaker 4: Welcome back, U y l. This is going to be
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Speaker 4: a very spirited conversation, all pun intended.
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Speaker 1: Yeah you did that. Yes, yes, that's clever.
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Speaker 4: It might be the first time we ever spoke to
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Speaker 4: somebody at their own wine company. Yeah is it. We
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Speaker 4: spoke to a few people in the spirits energy, but
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Speaker 4: not wine.
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Speaker 2: No, not at this level. Yeah, I mean when you
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Speaker 2: talking about the fastest growing Yeah, it's the first.
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Speaker 4: So don A Burston, yeah, originally from Baltimore, Maryland.
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Speaker 1: Absolutely be more stand up.
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Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, so you you guys mat right.
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Speaker 2: So actually, Nicole shout out to Nicole Russell No, no,
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Speaker 2: Nicole Spence at Black Effect. He was like, Hey, Troy,
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Speaker 2: there's this guy you have to meet. He has an
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Speaker 2: amazing story. Amazing mate. She's saying, it's like in the spring.
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Speaker 2: I'm like, Nicole, you know, we got this big event
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Speaker 2: that we're doing, so we're kind of like on a
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Speaker 2: freeze right now for the interviews. But as soon as
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Speaker 2: we're done with that, let's make it happen, and so
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Speaker 2: she just kept telling me. I'm like, hey, you got
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Speaker 2: anybody you know just when we're done. Yeah, I got
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Speaker 2: this guy down here. You got to you gotta meet
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Speaker 2: and got to meet him. He went, he's from Baltimore,
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Speaker 2: he's a Clark grad. You got to meet him. It's crazy.
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Speaker 2: I'm like, all right, let's do it. And so we
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Speaker 2: finally got it on the calendar. So I'm happy that
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Speaker 2: you're here. I'm happy that the spirits are here as well. Man,
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Speaker 2: it's an impressive story and he came prepared with the
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Speaker 2: right kicks.
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Speaker 4: So so let's get into this. So you have your
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Speaker 4: own wine company, yep, this is the wine right here.
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Speaker 1: I'm that wine companyes to Rose and Rose and white
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Speaker 1: white wine right yep.
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Speaker 4: Okay, so let's rewind this story a little bit. Where
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Speaker 4: did your passion for wine come into play and how
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Speaker 4: did you go about actually becoming an entrepreneur in the space.
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Speaker 5: Yeah, so I worked in the wine and spirits industry
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Speaker 5: since two thousand and one, started back with Cavasier doing
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Speaker 5: the past the Cavastier days at the at d Rush,
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Speaker 5: which was Russell Simmons Agency. SPID did all the street
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Speaker 5: promotions in Atlanta. From there, moved over to MOA Hennessy.
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Speaker 5: At the time, it was just Moat and Hennessy as
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Speaker 5: an ambassador in Atlanta, And that was during the time
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Speaker 5: when the clubs and the city was on fire, when
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Speaker 5: the music industry was hot down there, right, So it
5:41
Speaker 5: was like yeah, exactly, Okay, So it was the closest
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Speaker 5: thing to being in the music industry without being in it,
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Speaker 5: because listen, we've been throwing all the parties. The liquor
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Speaker 5: companies were sponsoring all the parties, and I just fell
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Speaker 5: in love with like that lifestyle, like it was business,
5:54
Speaker 5: but it was still a lot of fun. So I
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Speaker 5: did that, then moved to Miami with them, and when
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Speaker 5: I got to Miami is when the Champagne world took over.
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Speaker 5: So it was like I worked on Clicko, I worked
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Speaker 5: on mo Ed, I worked on Don Preon. I was like, oh,
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Speaker 5: this is this is this is the move, this is
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Speaker 5: my lane. Left there and then did a stint at
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Speaker 5: Aces Spades for three years. Might have heard that America,
6:14
Speaker 5: might have heard that, Latin America, Caribbean, Southeast United States,
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Speaker 5: and duty free and I was just like, yo, I
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Speaker 5: could just do this. Working over there with that guy
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Speaker 5: and that team. It was so entrepreneurial and it was
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Speaker 5: so breaking the convention of the wine and spirits industry
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Speaker 5: that it motivated me to want to do my own thing.
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Speaker 5: And then just being in the chance encounter in the
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Speaker 5: south of France and meeting the owner owner of a
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Speaker 5: winery talking shop with them, they said, Yo, we should
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Speaker 5: do something, and that was the genesis of it all.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, that was like a fast forward version.
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Speaker 1: Yeah.
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Speaker 2: I was like this this place in south of France.
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Speaker 2: He had santrope, this guy, yeah, Sean Carter, Right, So,
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Speaker 2: I mean how did you even get I mean, obviously
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Speaker 2: you said in early two thousand and one, you start
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Speaker 2: and you're working with Russell Simmons and his brand. But
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Speaker 2: how did you get to because it's not even LVMH
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Speaker 2: at the time.
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Speaker 5: Right, No, it has an agency for mo at Hennessy
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Speaker 5: called us Concept.
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Speaker 2: So who introduced you to them? How'd you get on
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Speaker 2: board with them?
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Speaker 1: Yeah?
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Speaker 5: So I mean I literally the job with Russell Simmons,
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Speaker 5: it sounds glamorous at d Rush was literally me handing
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Speaker 5: I woul drink tickets in the club like I was
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Speaker 5: like the promotional guy thing. And then that grew into
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Speaker 5: me managing the promotional models underneath me, and I happen
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Speaker 5: to be working for it. I was doing like six
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Speaker 5: jobs at that time. I was like working an internship
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Speaker 5: at hitcol Music Publishing, working with a local events company
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Speaker 5: called step. So I was just in the mix trying
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Speaker 5: to figure out how I was going to get on,
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Speaker 5: and I met a young lady who was the regional
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Speaker 5: marketing person for Hennessy Cognac, and she was like, I
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Speaker 5: like you, you know, I want to give you an opportunity.
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Speaker 1: And that's how that that job came about.
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Speaker 2: So, like what happens when you're in that space. The
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Speaker 2: club knows what type of knight it's going to be. Yep, right,
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Speaker 2: They'll say like, hey, we got your leisure coming. Yep,
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Speaker 2: we're going to need this many cases dollars.
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Speaker 1: Leaders coming.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, right, So like you're doing that, how is this
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Speaker 2: like three nights of the leae? Like, is this full time?
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Speaker 1: What you're doing? Yeah?
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Speaker 5: At that point it was full time in the clubs
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Speaker 5: and the lan at that time. Every night of the
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Speaker 5: week it was something to do, right. That was from
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Speaker 5: Mondays it was Tuesday, So the only night we probably
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Speaker 5: really had office like a Wednesday or SAE. So it
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Speaker 5: was it was six days a week in the streets
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Speaker 5: at the clubs. But it was a rotation. It was
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Speaker 5: the same ones every week. It was all about repetition
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Speaker 5: to get in front of people. But yeah, it was intense.
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Speaker 1: Is it commission based? No, it was a salary, okay, salary? Yeah,
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Speaker 1: it was a salary okay. Yeah.
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Speaker 4: So all right, So well what sparked you to go
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Speaker 4: from there to actually saying I'm gonna get up and
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Speaker 4: running and have my own brand.
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Speaker 5: Listen, we all had jobs where you felt like you
8:34
Speaker 5: could do things better, right, So that inspiration from being
8:38
Speaker 5: in a place that was super entrepreneurial, but it still
8:40
Speaker 5: wasn't mine, right, and you get reminded of that every now,
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Speaker 5: no matter how hard you work. So I was like,
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Speaker 5: you know, I want to do my own thing. I
8:46
Speaker 5: want to build my own legacy in the wine and
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Speaker 5: spirits industry, and this opportunity was that.
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Speaker 4: So what was the first step that you did to
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Speaker 4: to start the company?
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Speaker 1: Yeah?
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Speaker 5: So the business I had to look at what the
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Speaker 5: business proposition was, right, So, knowing I had worked on
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Speaker 5: more and mo At nectar, Rose was the number one
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Speaker 5: selling Rose champagne in the world and that consumer was
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Speaker 5: ninety eight percent black and Hispanic. And then knowing that
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Speaker 5: the leading rose still wine brand the time was Whispering
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Speaker 5: Angel and there were no real contingency of black consumers
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Speaker 5: drinking that I did. The correlation was like, listen, if
9:17
Speaker 5: I can take ten percent of the sparkling rose consumer
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Speaker 5: and ten percent of the still rose consumer and bring
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Speaker 5: them together, then I have a business proposition.
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Speaker 4: So rose rose wine drinkers are black.
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Speaker 5: Mo at nektar, and pil rose, the one in the
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Speaker 5: clear BOTTLESE.
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Speaker 4: But thet rose my favorite. But I gonna say that's
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Speaker 4: I mean, we're drinking that's champagne. That's champagne. Right, So
9:39
Speaker 4: when I when I think of rose, I think of champagne.
9:42
Speaker 4: This is wine, this is wine. So rose in general
9:45
Speaker 4: is just a varietal, right.
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Speaker 5: It just means, you know, it's made from red wine
9:48
Speaker 5: grapes rather it be still those sparkling.
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Speaker 1: It's a different process of making it.
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Speaker 5: That's sugar dosage, that's aging and barrels and stuff for
9:55
Speaker 5: the sparkling and then for the still. It's pretty much
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Speaker 5: just made without any oxidation to give you the bubbles.
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Speaker 4: So only black people drink rose.
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Speaker 5: I mean, listen, it's to Yeah.
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Speaker 4: Why why is that because it's red?
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Speaker 1: No, it was the marketing. I mean that that was
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Speaker 1: marketed in the red.
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Speaker 4: I'm gonna be honest with you. The red was a
10:17
Speaker 4: great is it comes red?
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Speaker 5: Yeah, it comes red. The big thing about it was
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Speaker 5: red in the clear bottle. So before that most Rosees
10:24
Speaker 5: were in a darker bottle. It lights up and they
10:27
Speaker 5: put the light underneath. It was a show so you
10:29
Speaker 5: couldn't see what was in the bottle exactly. So what's
10:32
Speaker 5: the market? So this is a what's the market ship? Like,
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Speaker 5: how much money does that represent?
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Speaker 4: If you could say one hundred percent is done by
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Speaker 4: black people, let's just say if it's ninety eight percent,
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Speaker 4: how much money does Rose Rose make?
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Speaker 5: I would probably say it's the third biggest value generator
10:48
Speaker 5: inside of Hennessy USA, because it's really a US based
10:51
Speaker 5: brand as well.
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Speaker 4: It would be like Hennessy is number one, number one.
10:54
Speaker 5: Uh, probably a tie between and this is when I
10:56
Speaker 5: was there, probably a tie between Moed and Clicko and
10:59
Speaker 5: then Moet Imperial was a regular sparkling and then that
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Speaker 5: would be number three.
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Speaker 1: Ye, not that white white star. It's a huge, huge
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Speaker 1: business proposition, and that was for the nightclub.
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Speaker 4: That's just pretty much for the night.
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Speaker 5: I mean it was, it was well in the beginning,
11:14
Speaker 5: it was it was nightclub culture. Yeah, so it was
11:16
Speaker 5: primarily sold only in nightclubs, but now retail as well.
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Speaker 2: But yeah, yeah, so I mean retil I'm glad you
11:23
Speaker 2: said that because then, you know, I was reading twenty eleven.
11:27
Speaker 2: Perfect time to be in Miami. Oh yeah, Lebron has
11:29
Speaker 2: now said he's coming crazy, and so how did you
11:31
Speaker 2: get how'd you get the arena? So it was American Airlines.
11:35
Speaker 2: I know it's like FTX now, so how'd you get
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Speaker 2: American Airlines? Convince them to say, look, we need to
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Speaker 2: have this inside of the arena because that wasn't something
11:42
Speaker 2: that you saw anywhere.
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Speaker 1: No, it wasn't.
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Speaker 5: And the first conversation was really about the championship celebration.
11:49
Speaker 5: So we was already in like, oh we went in September,
11:51
Speaker 5: we're going to like, let's prepare and there was a
11:53
Speaker 5: rule that apparently Pat didn't let anybody talk about if
11:57
Speaker 5: they won, So that conversation quickly changed until let's talk
12:00
Speaker 5: about what we can do to bring like more of
12:03
Speaker 5: a social aspect to the basketball games because in Miami
12:05
Speaker 5: during that time, you went to the games because like
12:06
Speaker 5: that was the club, Like did you watch the game?
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Speaker 1: Now? I was inside hide.
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Speaker 5: So you know, we want to see what could we
12:12
Speaker 5: do to promote at that time Moet and the white
12:14
Speaker 5: bottle mo at Ice to kind of all tie it in.
12:17
Speaker 5: So we convinced them that we should do sell the
12:19
Speaker 5: champagne at the bars first, and they were like, all right,
12:22
Speaker 5: this is cool, this is going well.
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Speaker 1: We like this. They liked the vibe.
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Speaker 5: Then we did some branded cups and the next thing
12:26
Speaker 5: you know, we had our own pop up bar and
12:27
Speaker 5: the concourse and it was out selling every other like
12:30
Speaker 5: bar in the arena. So you know, then we just
12:33
Speaker 5: decided let's make this official partnership. And once they won
12:35
Speaker 5: that year, it was game over.
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Speaker 4: So as far as the wine, where do you get
12:43
Speaker 4: like the great? So all right, the process of making
12:45
Speaker 4: wine is that there's grapes and they crushed the grapes
12:47
Speaker 4: right yep. And then they have to let it sit
12:49
Speaker 4: for a long time.
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Speaker 1: Anywhere from three to four months.
12:53
Speaker 4: They agent.
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Speaker 5: Macerating, let it all come together in jail. Not so
12:57
Speaker 5: much age agent is like usually a year, two years.
13:00
Speaker 5: We don't know, so it's a look quicker than that, all.
13:02
Speaker 4: Right, you have your own farm or you just outsource
13:04
Speaker 4: it to Like, so we have.
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Speaker 1: A winery partner.
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Speaker 5: So there's a vineyard in the south of France and
13:08
Speaker 5: santral Pai that we work with exclusively. They produce their
13:11
Speaker 5: own label, primarily in France, and then we work with
13:13
Speaker 5: them to get a style of wine that we wanted
13:15
Speaker 5: full effect.
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Speaker 4: Today they make like gallons of wine. Yeah, they and
13:20
Speaker 4: then they.
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Speaker 1: Ship it to you. Yeah.
13:22
Speaker 4: Is it is this proprietary to you this taste or
13:25
Speaker 4: do they.
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Speaker 5: Well, everything in like wine making typically is blending process, right,
13:30
Speaker 5: and it changes every year because some years harvest is
13:32
Speaker 5: better than others.
13:33
Speaker 1: It's very volatile industry.
13:36
Speaker 5: So you try to get a style of wine and
13:37
Speaker 5: then you try to make that style every year. But
13:39
Speaker 5: it's never going to be exactly the same. It's impossible
13:41
Speaker 5: unless you're making it in a factory.
13:43
Speaker 4: So what makes wine so like one of the like
13:45
Speaker 4: I'm not a wine console, but like Lebron, Yeah, they
13:47
Speaker 4: have like wine cellars and it's like some bottles wear
13:49
Speaker 4: like a fifty thousand dollars. Like what makes wine high class?
13:56
Speaker 4: What makes some wine better than other wines, like how
13:59
Speaker 4: do you gauge that?
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Speaker 5: So France is heavily regulated in how they classify their
14:05
Speaker 5: vineyards and winery and tehwah. So when you go to
14:08
Speaker 5: like Burgundy and Bordeaux, those are like premium some of
14:11
Speaker 5: them are premium wineries. Small production like how long did
14:15
Speaker 5: they age? How do they taste after they age? So
14:17
Speaker 5: all of that sort of thing adds into what puts
14:19
Speaker 5: the value to wine and scarcity.
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Speaker 1: I mean it's a commodity.
14:22
Speaker 5: So if you have a great vintage and they only
14:24
Speaker 5: produce a thousand bottles ten years from now, those thousand
14:27
Speaker 5: bottles could be worth ten thousand dollars a bottle per se.
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Speaker 2: So santral Pe comes up in the story. Yeah did
14:34
Speaker 2: you know that going in? Or is this like as
14:36
Speaker 2: you're traveling doing the other brands, you're starting to see
14:40
Speaker 2: and you're learning from where they're going and now, so
14:42
Speaker 2: how did santral Pe come into the So the mix puff.
14:45
Speaker 5: Had that line and I need a girl, right they
14:48
Speaker 5: ever been to Central Pey? So I literally took that
14:50
Speaker 5: as the reason to go there for my birthday, right, crazy,
14:53
Speaker 5: like never.
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Speaker 1: Been, I'm going.
14:55
Speaker 5: But when you go and doing that era, that's when
14:57
Speaker 5: puffing all them over there every summer sort of energy
14:59
Speaker 5: again was I'm crazy, was just like, yo, this is
15:01
Speaker 5: the best place on earth. So whenever I had the
15:03
Speaker 5: chance to get back to France or Paris for work,
15:06
Speaker 5: I would be lying my way back down the south
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Speaker 5: and it just became like my place.
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Speaker 1: So I fell in love with the place.
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Speaker 5: And part of that lifestyle in that place is rose wine.
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Speaker 4: So all right, so you get the contract to get
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Speaker 4: the wine from from France and then you put it
15:24
Speaker 4: in your bottles.
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Speaker 5: Yep, you know it's all about everything's battled, production, label
15:28
Speaker 5: it for you and all that.
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Speaker 1: Everything.
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Speaker 4: All right, So where are you selling it? And stores are?
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Speaker 1: Yeah?
15:34
Speaker 5: I mean right now we're up to about a thousand
15:36
Speaker 5: points of distribution. But when you first started, when I
15:38
Speaker 5: first started, literally four hotels in Miami, you just hand
15:41
Speaker 5: in hand like one.
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Speaker 1: Yeah.
15:42
Speaker 5: I just want to tell everybody I had relationships with
15:44
Speaker 5: from you know, the years in the industry and say, yeah,
15:46
Speaker 5: I got this rose and you know, the good ones
15:48
Speaker 5: were like, all right, we like you, We're going we're
15:50
Speaker 5: gonna give it a shot. It don't sell le's on you,
15:51
Speaker 5: but we'll give it a shot.
15:52
Speaker 1: Did you tell them it was yours. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
15:55
Speaker 4: So how'd you get it to sell?
15:57
Speaker 5: I mean Miami is a rose cultures that didn't take
15:59
Speaker 5: a lot, right, it was just like you're in Chance, Yeah,
16:01
Speaker 5: you're in the w hotel and just go. I mean
16:03
Speaker 5: one thing we did do that other people weren't doing
16:05
Speaker 5: is because we were produced in Sancho pe Is.
16:07
Speaker 1: We put that.
16:08
Speaker 5: You know how they list wine, it would say Lafette
16:10
Speaker 5: Rose Sancho Pey. So most people that were in and
16:12
Speaker 5: out of the W in the Satai hotels in Miami
16:15
Speaker 5: had been to Central Pey, So that was something that automatically.
16:19
Speaker 1: Resonate with them. Absolutely tastes of the culture. Yeah. So
16:22
Speaker 1: the Frette.
16:24
Speaker 2: Nice name, I know what it means? Why you landed
16:27
Speaker 2: on that?
16:27
Speaker 1: Yeah?
16:28
Speaker 5: So La Fete do Rose, the full formal name means
16:30
Speaker 5: the Rose Party. So for us, the tagline is a
16:33
Speaker 5: party and everyone's invited. Because typically in wine in general
16:37
Speaker 5: has been very exclusive and not inclusive, right, so we
16:42
Speaker 5: wanted to create a brand that was definitely bringing everyone
16:46
Speaker 5: into it, right, black, white, Chinese, gay, straight, whatever, it
16:48
Speaker 5: didn't matter. Which just like yo, we like Rose. So
16:50
Speaker 5: it's more of a lifestyle play than it is a
16:52
Speaker 5: wine play. Like we could have gone with the typical
16:55
Speaker 5: you know, blah blah blah chateau vine, you know whatever,
16:57
Speaker 5: like that didn't resonate with any of us. We wanted
16:59
Speaker 5: to know that would definitely pop and then we could
17:01
Speaker 5: you know, bring to life.
17:03
Speaker 1: Yeah, so this is the entrepreneurial journey, right, Yeah.
17:06
Speaker 2: And one of the things that people you hearing their
17:08
Speaker 2: stories is that you know, I spent my last to
17:10
Speaker 2: get this off the ground.
17:11
Speaker 1: Yeah, what was that like for you? Like?
17:14
Speaker 2: How costs intensive? Was this journey from obviously being in
17:18
Speaker 2: Sancho Pei to having tastings to having finally figure out
17:22
Speaker 2: the bottling and I guess at the beginning the marketing
17:24
Speaker 2: of it. I mean that's one of your strongholds. How
17:26
Speaker 2: cash and chances possively everything.
17:28
Speaker 5: So to that point, I took my last, I emptied
17:30
Speaker 5: out for one kge, I dipped into pension funds, bank accounts, savings,
17:35
Speaker 5: credit cards, all of it was maxed out to make
17:38
Speaker 5: this dream happen because you have to pay for it,
17:40
Speaker 5: regardless of sould of not. Like you basically put your
17:43
Speaker 5: order in for wine now and you'll get it in March.
17:46
Speaker 5: So there wasn't something I could like pick up and
17:48
Speaker 5: decide like next month, like I need to get five
17:50
Speaker 5: thousand bottles. They were like, no, you want five thousand,
17:52
Speaker 5: you need to pay for all of it now.
17:54
Speaker 4: So you said, you're in a thousand stores? Now thousand
17:57
Speaker 4: stores now, so how'd you get into stores? How'd you
17:59
Speaker 4: scale that?
18:00
Speaker 1: Yeah?
18:00
Speaker 5: I mean listen to Pandemic was a blessing for us
18:03
Speaker 5: as a brand because that's the point that everybody slowed
18:05
Speaker 5: down and they started to watch and you know, racial
18:09
Speaker 5: injustice movements and George Floyd and everyone started wanted to
18:11
Speaker 5: support black brands. And at that moment, we just took off.
18:15
Speaker 5: The brand took off and we put put you know,
18:17
Speaker 5: the pedal to the metal and kept going. So that
18:19
Speaker 5: got the attention of the retailers and you know, these
18:22
Speaker 5: big corporations that wanted to support black owned and minority
18:25
Speaker 5: own brands, and they gave us the foot in the door.
18:29
Speaker 5: A lot of that has started to go away, but
18:31
Speaker 5: we were able to maintain our sales and volume to
18:33
Speaker 5: stay there when these initiatives start to, you know, dwindle
18:36
Speaker 5: down a little bit.
18:37
Speaker 2: What is some of the course associated with obviously creating
18:41
Speaker 2: a luxury line of wine right, Like, obviously you said,
18:44
Speaker 2: if I want five thousand bolleles, I gotta pay for that.
18:46
Speaker 1: But those five thousand botels.
18:48
Speaker 2: Have to be stored somewhere, right, so they have to
18:51
Speaker 2: be transported. So like, what are some of those costs
18:53
Speaker 2: that most people don't even think of that associated with
18:56
Speaker 2: this business?
18:57
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, first and for almost again, the goods
18:59
Speaker 5: to cost, the goods soul with the bottle to glass,
19:01
Speaker 5: the cork, the label, the paper, the wine itself. Then
19:04
Speaker 5: there's getting it from France on a container to the
19:08
Speaker 5: United States. Then there's the custom import fees, duty taxes
19:11
Speaker 5: you got to pay once it lands. Then there's the
19:14
Speaker 5: storage at whatever warehouse you select. Then if you don't
19:18
Speaker 5: have a big distributor, because there's a three tier system,
19:20
Speaker 5: which means we basically can't sell direct to consumers. We
19:23
Speaker 5: have to sell to a distributor that distributed then cells
19:25
Speaker 5: to a retailer. That retailer didn't sells to the consumer,
19:28
Speaker 5: and everybody takes that cut along the way. You got
19:30
Speaker 5: to figure out how to then convince them to buy it.
19:33
Speaker 5: But if they not buying the product, you just paying
19:35
Speaker 5: those storage fees along the way. And some of them
19:37
Speaker 5: may say you pay for trucking or shipping to get
19:40
Speaker 5: it towards so then that's another cost.
19:41
Speaker 1: On top of it.
19:42
Speaker 2: So that I mean, that's a lot of people taking money. Yeah,
19:45
Speaker 2: so that's why the bottles cost so much.
19:48
Speaker 5: Yeah, well, I mean, listen, everybody wants typically twenty five
19:50
Speaker 5: to thirty percent minimum along the way.
19:54
Speaker 4: Profit margin, profit margin, So like, how much would it
19:59
Speaker 4: cost to start operation like this?
20:01
Speaker 1: Like, ooh, the right way?
20:05
Speaker 5: I mean when we officially launched in twenty nineteen, it
20:08
Speaker 5: was a million dollars in inventory alan and that was.
20:12
Speaker 1: Without the marketing.
20:12
Speaker 4: And that's not marketing anything like that.
20:14
Speaker 5: No, that was just the inventory and getting it here
20:16
Speaker 5: and all that stuff. I would probably say, effectively the
20:18
Speaker 5: right way of a million and a half two million,
20:20
Speaker 5: and that's playing small.
20:22
Speaker 4: What about marketing out? What kind of marketing do you do?
20:26
Speaker 5: Now we're doing all digital, we're starting to come out
20:29
Speaker 5: of that now they experience when the events are coming back.
20:31
Speaker 5: But primarily during the pandemic, it was it was digital ads.
20:33
Speaker 5: It was a lot of influence of marketing. Everyone was
20:35
Speaker 5: at home, so we could just send bottles of people
20:38
Speaker 5: and they would post. But for us, we try to
20:39
Speaker 5: immerse people in the lifestyle of what we think santrape
20:43
Speaker 5: is and what we want people to feel when they
20:45
Speaker 5: experience the product. So we take cues from spirit brands.
20:48
Speaker 5: We think they do it best in terms of like
20:50
Speaker 5: how they activate. We don't want to operate like a
20:52
Speaker 5: wine brand. So wine dinners are cool, but like that's no,
20:55
Speaker 5: that's not a lot of fun. It's fun to some people,
20:57
Speaker 5: but we want to immerse you in it. So it's
20:58
Speaker 5: going to be parties, it's going to be festivals, it's
21:01
Speaker 5: going to be f one, it's going to be all
21:03
Speaker 5: those things that are really a part of like the
21:04
Speaker 5: dope things that are happening in the culture.
21:07
Speaker 1: We want effect to be there.
21:08
Speaker 4: What kind of what kind of influences did you like
21:10
Speaker 4: having your influencer marketing?
21:12
Speaker 5: Yeah, initially it was it was whoever, like whoever had
21:15
Speaker 5: a large follower, to be honest with you, but it
21:18
Speaker 5: was also people that were posting wine or champagne brands.
21:21
Speaker 5: And then we got lucky with you know, people like Mellow.
21:23
Speaker 5: He put us on his show during the pandemic.
21:26
Speaker 4: He has a podcast.
21:27
Speaker 1: He had a YouTube series called What's in Your Glass?
21:30
Speaker 4: Oh oh, well, he like interviews people. Yeah, yeah, he
21:33
Speaker 4: put you on, he puts your product in, he put
21:35
Speaker 4: us on, he put me on.
21:36
Speaker 1: So he and I talked.
21:37
Speaker 5: He's from Baltimore, so we got connected through his manager
21:40
Speaker 5: and yeah, yeah, we got we got put on through
21:42
Speaker 5: that and then Michael Strahan talked about it. A friend
21:44
Speaker 5: of a friend got him the product, d Nice out
21:47
Speaker 5: of a battle doing his Instagram live. So it was
21:49
Speaker 5: a lot of good things, Like it just started happening
21:51
Speaker 5: in a good way. So we had people reaching out
21:53
Speaker 5: and then we were reaching out to people as well.
21:55
Speaker 1: Yeah, I gotta I gotta talk about it. Yeah there.
21:59
Speaker 2: Yeah, Yeah, couple things. First of all, you're the regional director. Yeah,
22:03
Speaker 2: so I want to know what you know that role encompasses.
22:07
Speaker 2: But also obviously we saw that LVA mats a company
22:11
Speaker 2: that you know, yeah, has now fifty of Ace and Spade.
22:15
Speaker 2: Now were the second part was were you there at
22:17
Speaker 2: that point or did you help, I guess kind of
22:20
Speaker 2: facilitate the relationship between the two brands.
22:22
Speaker 1: No, I mean when we were when I was there,
22:23
Speaker 1: we were arch enemies.
22:24
Speaker 5: So when I was at Don Preon, Ace was an enemy,
22:26
Speaker 5: and when I was at ACE eight, Don Prenon was
22:28
Speaker 5: the enemy. So it was no playing in the sandbox whatsoever. Yeah,
22:32
Speaker 5: but what we did see what I what I saw
22:35
Speaker 5: once I got to ACE is that the young consumer
22:38
Speaker 5: had no affinity for Don Prenon the way they did
22:41
Speaker 5: for As and Spades. So if you're LVMH, you have
22:44
Speaker 5: great product in Don Preon, that's your technical vay, but
22:47
Speaker 5: your consumer is aging out right, and ACE was grabbing
22:50
Speaker 5: that young rich consumer around the world like India, Asia.
22:56
Speaker 5: You buy like they were going to Ace in the
22:58
Speaker 5: club where their parents might been drinking Don Prenon. So
23:02
Speaker 5: I think that's if I had to make a hypothesis,
23:04
Speaker 5: that's what Elvi made saw the future.
23:05
Speaker 1: It wasn't right now.
23:07
Speaker 5: It's like, Okay, these young guys aren't picking Don Preon,
23:09
Speaker 5: They're picking Ace. But the experience was great. Like I said,
23:12
Speaker 5: it was super entrepreneurial, like Daz that ran the whole
23:15
Speaker 5: operation over there. It was very much like Yo Beach street,
23:19
Speaker 5: break convention, break the rules, how do we get this done?
23:22
Speaker 1: And that was kind of like our directive.
23:23
Speaker 5: But it was a lot of work because for me,
23:25
Speaker 5: coming from the LVMHE side at the time, it was
23:28
Speaker 5: easy to get in the door, right, But when I
23:30
Speaker 5: got to ACE, some of those same doors were like, yeah,
23:32
Speaker 5: I don't know, we don't really have that crowd here,
23:34
Speaker 5: And I.
23:34
Speaker 1: Just be like, what was that? What does that mean?
23:37
Speaker 1: I don't think that crowd doesn't make money? Yeah, exactly right.
23:39
Speaker 5: So it was a lot of trying to convince some
23:41
Speaker 5: of the old guard that this was a real champagne.
23:44
Speaker 5: The bottle is goal for a reason to stand out,
23:47
Speaker 5: and it worked.
23:47
Speaker 1: So it was it was it was fun. It was
23:49
Speaker 1: fun to go back and excuse my friend shit on people.
23:53
Speaker 4: Right.
23:53
Speaker 5: They'd be like, oh, yeah, you was talking shit. And
23:54
Speaker 5: now now fast forward three years. That same company that
23:57
Speaker 5: you was holding and how Praise owns fifty percent of
24:00
Speaker 5: that brand, right, so how do you feel about it?
24:03
Speaker 1: Now?
24:04
Speaker 2: I'm a good byttle drinking so I know. Some of
24:07
Speaker 2: the role was marketing goals for each territory. Yeah, which
24:11
Speaker 2: is interesting, right, So you you had what were the
24:14
Speaker 2: areas that you were responsible for.
24:15
Speaker 1: So Southeast United States?
24:17
Speaker 5: Yeah, Latin America being more of like Cuba, Dominican Republic,
24:21
Speaker 5: et cetera, and Duty Free Zone.
24:24
Speaker 1: So what like, what are the marketing goals by territory?
24:26
Speaker 2: Like, give me an example of something that we're work
24:28
Speaker 2: in Southeast obviously the United States, and then all right.
24:31
Speaker 1: This is what we're going to do for the duty
24:33
Speaker 1: free zones. Yeah.
24:34
Speaker 5: I mean, for instance, I use Miami as example. There
24:36
Speaker 5: was two aspects to Miami. That was the club life.
24:38
Speaker 5: For sure, you got to make sure aces popping and
24:40
Speaker 5: live and all those places like that, But it was
24:43
Speaker 5: also how do you get in front of hot network
24:45
Speaker 5: individuals and settings that they want to be a part of.
24:48
Speaker 5: Watches was a big way. We did a lot of
24:50
Speaker 5: Watch partnership dinners and parties. Yachts and boat shows was
24:54
Speaker 5: another way. So you have to really when you get
24:56
Speaker 5: to the high network individual and marketing, you got to
24:59
Speaker 5: go to their touch points. You can't just be one
25:00
Speaker 5: of those brands like I'm gonna do it my way,
25:02
Speaker 5: especially for a brand like ACE, like let me ingratiate
25:06
Speaker 5: myself in your world first before.
25:08
Speaker 1: We you know, come in and kicking down the door.
25:09
Speaker 5: So it was a lot of balancing the nightclub world
25:12
Speaker 5: and then catering to the super wealthy in their sort
25:16
Speaker 5: of environments, which is a hard balancing act, right because
25:19
Speaker 5: most people think of ACE as the club brand. So
25:21
Speaker 5: it was a lot of hurdles to overcome with convincing
25:23
Speaker 5: people otherwise.
25:25
Speaker 4: Speaking of nightclub, nobody drinks wine in the club, so.
25:29
Speaker 5: They will soon, But that's the days in the US
25:33
Speaker 5: they don't drink it. You can go to nightclubs in
25:36
Speaker 5: France and south of France and Paris and you'll see
25:37
Speaker 5: people drinking rose wine at nighttime in the club.
25:40
Speaker 1: Okay, Yeah, it's a cultural thing.
25:42
Speaker 5: Like wine has a lot a long way to go
25:45
Speaker 5: here in the States in terms of marketing, and that's
25:47
Speaker 5: primarily because the gatekeepers for wine and the psalms and
25:50
Speaker 5: all that have put so much fuss on it. Right,
25:52
Speaker 5: So you and I we go to club. If I
25:53
Speaker 5: can't put iceq benef it's not cold enough, or if
25:56
Speaker 5: I have to you know, sniff and squirrel like, you
25:57
Speaker 5: can be like, yah, I'm not doing all that. I'm
25:58
Speaker 5: trying to have fun. Let me get busy.
26:00
Speaker 1: So for us, we like, let's break convention. You drinking
26:02
Speaker 1: how you want.
26:02
Speaker 5: If you want, gonna make a rose margarita with that
26:04
Speaker 5: and some some Don Julio or tequila brand.
26:07
Speaker 4: Go ahead, so tequila wine.
26:10
Speaker 5: Yeah, so we have a rose margarita, which is basically,
26:12
Speaker 5: you know, four parts of rose wine and one part tequila.
26:15
Speaker 1: Shake it up, it's crazy.
26:17
Speaker 4: Okay, Well, in America, nobody's really drinking wine back, so
26:23
Speaker 4: and I would assume that that's a big part of
26:25
Speaker 4: the revenue stream for alcohol. But every alcohol, tequila, you
26:31
Speaker 4: name it, champagne, all of the alcohols have huge profit
26:37
Speaker 4: margins in nightclubs.
26:38
Speaker 5: Yeah, but Tito's is the number one selling back in
26:40
Speaker 5: the world and probably ten percent of that business in nightclubs.
26:44
Speaker 4: A lot of people drink Tito's in clubs.
26:46
Speaker 1: Now, they do.
26:46
Speaker 5: But when I'm ice work on Belvedere too, you couldn't
26:49
Speaker 5: pay a nightclub owner to serve Titos because for them
26:51
Speaker 5: it was like, get that cheap shit out of there whatever,
26:54
Speaker 5: you know what I mean?
26:54
Speaker 1: Right, But now you look at tito sales, what is it?
26:57
Speaker 5: Three million cases a year, maybe four I can guarantee
27:00
Speaker 5: you ninety percent of that is coming from retail or bars,
27:04
Speaker 5: not excluding clubs, you know what I mean.
27:05
Speaker 4: So you're saying you don't need clubs to survive by
27:08
Speaker 4: no means? So who All right? So what's the average client?
27:13
Speaker 4: Somebody as just having wine at dinner. So for Rose, no,
27:17
Speaker 4: So typically Rose has been more outdoorsy, brunchy, warm weather spots.
27:25
Speaker 5: We're now starting to see the shift as we push
27:27
Speaker 5: for like ski season, you know at Operate Ski sort
27:31
Speaker 5: of things like that, and then just every day like
27:33
Speaker 5: you're starting to see more people drink wine at dinner
27:35
Speaker 5: or even at home than you would have four or
27:38
Speaker 5: five years ago.
27:39
Speaker 1: This is true. Yeah, I thinking about my own house.
27:44
Speaker 1: This is true.
27:44
Speaker 2: So yeah, man, how because you said you were doing
27:49
Speaker 2: I think a thousand different locations you have right now?
27:52
Speaker 1: Now, how do we get to that point? Right?
27:54
Speaker 2: You started with one obviously, but how do we scale
27:56
Speaker 2: so fast? I think in twenty twenty one you the
27:59
Speaker 2: fast the.
28:00
Speaker 1: Fastest growing rose, fastest growing imported rose in the country. Yeah.
28:05
Speaker 1: How Yeah?
28:06
Speaker 5: I mean listen again, like I said, when the momentum
28:08
Speaker 5: hit for us, like we were on the phones, we
28:10
Speaker 5: were presenting to the buyers from you know these big
28:12
Speaker 5: chain stores, you know, hotels and resorts in Miami, let's
28:16
Speaker 5: go get in front of them, like, look at all
28:18
Speaker 5: the momentum we have because you know again the Miami
28:21
Speaker 5: Texas well, I say, Florida, Texas and maybe one of
28:23
Speaker 5: us stay with the only place is open post pandemic
28:26
Speaker 5: that everyone was rushing to. So we were just creating
28:28
Speaker 5: that critical mass in those cities and out there and
28:30
Speaker 5: putting people in front of the brand and say, yo,
28:32
Speaker 5: look at all this press, look at our graham, Look
28:33
Speaker 5: who was holding us up? You know, all that sort
28:35
Speaker 5: of thing that gets people to even say yes. So
28:38
Speaker 5: there's a lot of pitching, a lot of selling, a
28:40
Speaker 5: lot of selling not in the sense of beating the street,
28:42
Speaker 5: but a lot of selling in terms of presenting to
28:44
Speaker 5: decision makers to get these national distribution deals like a
28:48
Speaker 5: one hotel, an addition hotel, a Hiatt hotel group.
28:51
Speaker 1: It's a lot of those meetings. So do you have
28:54
Speaker 1: red barn, red Wine's coming? Yeah?
28:57
Speaker 4: Man, So right now you have the Blanco and the Rose. Yeah,
29:00
Speaker 4: and the red wine is coming. Red Wine's coming out
29:03
Speaker 4: of the bloc on a rose. Which one is it
29:05
Speaker 4: better seller?
29:07
Speaker 1: Oh?
29:07
Speaker 5: We just we just launched the white wine as a
29:09
Speaker 5: thank you last year, so this is the first four
29:12
Speaker 5: year that's going to be in production.
29:14
Speaker 1: But it's different occasions, right.
29:15
Speaker 5: You have some places that don't take you know, Rose
29:18
Speaker 5: as serious and they'll go for the white first. Or
29:21
Speaker 5: you have some people that are huge savon Blanc fans,
29:24
Speaker 5: they'll go for the white first. So if you look
29:27
Speaker 5: at the Rose category, and I mean the wine category
29:29
Speaker 5: in general. White wine is by far bigger seller than rose. Overall,
29:33
Speaker 5: Rose sales are probably six to nine percent of total
29:36
Speaker 5: table wine sales in the United States period. White wine
29:39
Speaker 5: is like twenty seven to thirty percent. So the growth
29:42
Speaker 5: potential is bigger on the white wine from a business
29:45
Speaker 5: economic standpoint than it is on a rose. Biggest, bigger
29:48
Speaker 5: piece of the pies.
29:50
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29:55
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30:18
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30:22
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31:20
Speaker 1: s I t Y dot com.
31:24
Speaker 5: See, I've never heard of that. Prisoner Wine is none
31:27
Speaker 5: of one of their brands. But that conversation really came
31:29
Speaker 5: about once the announcement came out. You know, again, the
31:31
Speaker 5: community is everything. People were just hitting me and two
31:34
Speaker 5: people in particular have relationships with executives at Constellation, so
31:39
Speaker 5: that gave me, i think, a quicker intro to the system.
31:43
Speaker 5: So when we sat down and talked, it was all
31:45
Speaker 5: about what do you see for the brand? Where do
31:48
Speaker 5: you think it's going to be in three to five years.
31:49
Speaker 5: It was never an immediate thing. It was like, we
31:51
Speaker 5: want to understand your vision, what you're trying to accomplish.
31:54
Speaker 5: And for me, again, it was disrupting the rose industry
31:57
Speaker 5: and the wine industry to bring more people of color
31:59
Speaker 5: into it. Right, my thing from day one, like how
32:01
Speaker 5: to this is a multi billion dollar industry and we
32:05
Speaker 5: don't really own a lot of it. So they understood
32:08
Speaker 5: their journey and then they also understood the like listen,
32:10
Speaker 5: you have a vision and you have a niche, like
32:13
Speaker 5: you're bringing new consumers into the Rose space. So there
32:16
Speaker 5: was a lot of conversation about that in the future
32:17
Speaker 5: of the brand. But it was it was a long process.
32:19
Speaker 5: It's like a nine month due diligence negotiation process.
32:23
Speaker 2: They allocated you can correct me from they said they
32:27
Speaker 2: were going to allocate is it one hundred million to
32:29
Speaker 2: brands one hundred million over ten years, over ten years
32:32
Speaker 2: to ten years to owners of wine companies who were
32:35
Speaker 2: African American.
32:36
Speaker 5: Spirits, spirit wine and spirits people of color, their owned
32:39
Speaker 5: alcoholic beverage brands put it that way, Yeah, and so
32:42
Speaker 5: what just.
32:43
Speaker 1: A nine month process.
32:44
Speaker 2: How many I mean you had the percentage of that
32:46
Speaker 2: that's pretty shock ninety eight percent of the people who
32:48
Speaker 2: consume rose looked like us. How many people were even
32:51
Speaker 2: in the running for or even wherewhere that this was
32:54
Speaker 2: actually taking place and they could have taken advantage of it.
32:56
Speaker 5: Who's the good question? I'm not even sure about that.
32:58
Speaker 5: I'm not even sure. But listen, I think the hard
33:01
Speaker 5: part for all these companies that announce venture opportunities is
33:04
Speaker 5: are we ready as a people that own the business?
33:07
Speaker 1: Right?
33:08
Speaker 5: I don't necessarily think I was ready when I started
33:10
Speaker 5: the conversation. I had great advisors that got me ready
33:12
Speaker 5: throughout the process. But due diligence is a weak and
33:16
Speaker 5: out process, a lot of it, right, So, I don't
33:18
Speaker 5: think a lot of us understand what it takes to
33:20
Speaker 5: get to that point. What do your financials look like?
33:23
Speaker 5: What do your projections look like? Your balance and your
33:25
Speaker 5: income statement? Like, that's a learning process in itself. So
33:29
Speaker 5: I think a lot of people have businesses. But when
33:31
Speaker 5: you get to that point and someone's going to give
33:32
Speaker 5: you money and invest in you, like, that's a whole
33:35
Speaker 5: different thing. Beyond is your battle pretty and you know
33:39
Speaker 5: that sort of thing, right, So I think that's been
33:41
Speaker 5: a challenge for a lot of these companies. Why you
33:43
Speaker 5: haven't seen so many announcements because for me, it's not
33:45
Speaker 5: really I think the challenges it shouldn't be ventures in
33:49
Speaker 5: terms of investing in brands that are already doing well.
33:52
Speaker 5: It should be incubation for our community. And I think
33:56
Speaker 5: that's where it's kind of misguided and should be redirected.
34:00
Speaker 4: So what's your plans on scaling, Like, how do you
34:04
Speaker 4: take it to the next level? Is it through influencer marketing?
34:07
Speaker 4: Is it through just you know, hitting the pavement?
34:11
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean there's a couple of ways. Right.
34:13
Speaker 5: The thing for us is we are being very cautious
34:15
Speaker 5: of scaling too fast, right because we can go get
34:19
Speaker 5: four thousand more doors tomorrow, but if the product's not
34:22
Speaker 5: pulling out the door, then you're discontinued.
34:24
Speaker 1: So what did you really do it for us? Right?
34:26
Speaker 5: So we're trying to be very strategic and looking at
34:28
Speaker 5: DMAs of how we go to market, so we don't
34:30
Speaker 5: look at a whole state, like for instance, in New York,
34:32
Speaker 5: we're looking at Brooklyn and then Lower Manhattan restaurants, bars,
34:37
Speaker 5: and then our community is in Bookly has been supporting
34:39
Speaker 5: us since day one. When we look at somewhere like Texas,
34:43
Speaker 5: it may not be downtown Dallas Highland Park area, it
34:46
Speaker 5: may be Frisco where more of us live.
34:48
Speaker 1: You know, they have a little bit more money.
34:50
Speaker 5: So we're really breaking it down that way and doing
34:52
Speaker 5: deep dives in those areas with influencers that live in
34:55
Speaker 5: those areas, marketing campaigns in those areas where it be digital, surprise,
35:00
Speaker 5: even radio to rest your radio, and the markets are
35:02
Speaker 5: working as well.
35:04
Speaker 2: It's part of the marketing com I know, like there's
35:06
Speaker 2: companies that just deliver the one like Drizzly is a
35:10
Speaker 2: company that I know that you do. Is that part
35:12
Speaker 2: of the marketing plan too, Like we're gonna rather than
35:14
Speaker 2: having to be in the stores, we'll just actually put
35:16
Speaker 2: it on a company like Drizzly and get it out
35:18
Speaker 2: to the people.
35:18
Speaker 5: Yeah, but you're still in a distribution because the way
35:20
Speaker 5: Drizzly works is they use the stores in their areas
35:23
Speaker 5: their delivery mechanisms. So if you're not available and you
35:26
Speaker 5: go in Drizzly, you can put it in the name
35:27
Speaker 5: of the product and say sorry, not available in your area.
35:29
Speaker 5: But we did use the research of saying all right,
35:31
Speaker 5: where's Drizzly's big markets and cross references against the areas
35:36
Speaker 5: we want to be in and say we need to
35:37
Speaker 5: have a consolidation of stores there so if someone goes
35:40
Speaker 5: on Drizzly they can actually get it.
35:42
Speaker 1: Are there?
35:42
Speaker 2: So what are some cities, like like looking forward into
35:46
Speaker 2: the future, what are some cities or targets that.
35:48
Speaker 5: You have that you're not in right now? I mean,
35:53
Speaker 5: we're in thirty four markets, but are we really in them? No,
35:55
Speaker 5: So we have pockets a lot of it based upon
35:58
Speaker 5: some of the hotel chains that we have agreements with
36:01
Speaker 5: that we rushed those markets ahead of time. We certainly
36:04
Speaker 5: could dive deeper in LA We certainly could dive deeper
36:07
Speaker 5: in New York City alone, like we our presence here
36:09
Speaker 5: is small, strong, but small. I mean this is the
36:12
Speaker 5: number one selling rose market in the United States for
36:14
Speaker 5: seven months out the year. So you know, we definitely
36:18
Speaker 5: got to crack New York City.
36:19
Speaker 2: And you said throughout the year, So seven months, so
36:22
Speaker 2: what months of those? Like, how does that happen?
36:24
Speaker 5: Usually you start playing in New York February March, it
36:27
Speaker 5: kicks off September when it starts get October and it gets.
36:31
Speaker 2: Cold when it gets cold to people don't drinking rose.
36:33
Speaker 5: In the past, they have, they're starting to change, but
36:35
Speaker 5: typically no buyers won't even bring in a new rose
36:37
Speaker 5: in October.
36:38
Speaker 1: I won't even thinking that, So you know, you got
36:41
Speaker 1: to be here in New York to win.
36:43
Speaker 5: Then Florida for sure, Chicago's the big rose market, so
36:47
Speaker 5: we're going to crack that, and then Texas and Califoria.
36:49
Speaker 5: I mean all the major markets for sure, but it's
36:51
Speaker 5: just how deep do you go inside of them?
36:53
Speaker 1: We got to stop going to places without happened.
36:58
Speaker 4: So what about over.
37:00
Speaker 5: Yeah, so we again through partnerships with hotels. We have
37:04
Speaker 5: a national partnership, global partnership with Soho House, so the
37:08
Speaker 5: white wine will be in all the Soho houses here
37:10
Speaker 5: in the United States and in the UK and the
37:13
Speaker 5: rest of the world. We are sold at our winery
37:15
Speaker 5: in a couple spots in France. But next year we're
37:18
Speaker 5: going to go deep because again, if you're talking about
37:20
Speaker 5: lifestyle and what we want to be a part of,
37:21
Speaker 5: we need to be a mikonos. We need to be
37:23
Speaker 5: in a visa everywhere all of us are going and traveling.
37:25
Speaker 5: Every year, you should show up and see Lafette there. Now,
37:29
Speaker 5: one of the things that I've read that you do
37:31
Speaker 5: is you doliate proceeds. Yeah, don't really see that too often.
37:34
Speaker 2: Yeah, is that something that you intentionally went into the
37:38
Speaker 2: business saying, like, I want to give back because you
37:42
Speaker 2: know that's just part of my DNA and who I am.
37:44
Speaker 1: Yeah, what did that come about?
37:47
Speaker 2: And how is that going?
37:48
Speaker 1: Yeah?
37:49
Speaker 5: So for me again, I love travel right, man, Like
37:51
Speaker 5: I love traveling. I know what travel did to me
37:53
Speaker 5: and changed my life, traveling around the world with Moah
37:55
Speaker 5: Hennessy and post college and all that stuff. So I
37:57
Speaker 5: knew I wanted to give that same opportunity to kick
38:00
Speaker 5: kids earlier and kids that may never have the opportunity.
38:03
Speaker 5: Like for me, it didn't happen till I was twenty
38:04
Speaker 5: four to twenty five. But you talk to a lot
38:07
Speaker 5: of my coworkers or coworkers in corporate America, they've been
38:09
Speaker 5: traveling since they was twelve, fifteen, sixteen. They have a
38:12
Speaker 5: circuit they go through every summer with their friends. And
38:15
Speaker 5: I wanted to give our kids, our community that experience.
38:18
Speaker 5: So there's an organization called All Abroad and they actually
38:21
Speaker 5: take underserved kids from Atlanta and now in Baltimore on
38:24
Speaker 5: trips in high school. They just came back from Kenya.
38:27
Speaker 5: It was about ten kids, and we want to expand
38:29
Speaker 5: that because the more we can expose our kids beyond
38:31
Speaker 5: their neighborhood, block, city, state, we just all become better people.
38:34
Speaker 5: And it makes some better business people, better students, better doctors, lawyers, whatever,
38:38
Speaker 5: because now they have a global perspective on how things work.
38:41
Speaker 1: But it's hard.
38:42
Speaker 5: I mean, listen, you have to commit to actually giving
38:44
Speaker 5: money from sales, whether you're getting those sales or not.
38:46
Speaker 1: I can't tell it the organization.
38:47
Speaker 5: I'm gonna give you fifty one hundred thousand dollars and
38:50
Speaker 5: then the end of the year say sorry, I didn't
38:51
Speaker 5: get the sales. I can't do it that. I mean,
38:53
Speaker 5: that's unfair. So we we purposely a lot money that
38:57
Speaker 5: has to go to those organizations because we believe in
38:59
Speaker 5: them so much.
39:01
Speaker 4: What about expanding outside of wine? Have you thought about that?
39:06
Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm probably gonna do a sparkling wine, not a
39:10
Speaker 5: champagne because it's not producing champagne. And then mescal is
39:13
Speaker 5: my favorite. So I'm looking at some mescow propositions right now. First,
39:17
Speaker 5: I got to get this to the point where there's
39:19
Speaker 5: an exit and then we'll roll to the next one.
39:22
Speaker 2: That's crazy, you said, accident, and I was staying to myself. Obviously,
39:25
Speaker 2: you build a brand, and we just came from ace
39:27
Speaker 2: and we saw them get the center of the owned. Boy,
39:29
Speaker 2: is that something that's on the board, like, as soon
39:31
Speaker 2: as we build this brand to a certain point, because
39:33
Speaker 2: a lot of times we create businesses, a lot of
39:35
Speaker 2: people create them to sell them at some point. Yeah,
39:38
Speaker 2: is that the vision for your brand that we're gonna
39:40
Speaker 2: build it to some point We're gonna allow equity stakeholders
39:42
Speaker 2: to come in, or we're going to sell the whole
39:44
Speaker 2: thing compility.
39:45
Speaker 1: If the numbers right, you can get the whole thing.
39:49
Speaker 1: But certainly, I think the mistake a lot of us making.
39:52
Speaker 5: Certainly, you know, our older parents whatever, when they had business,
39:55
Speaker 5: they held them to him forever and they don't really
39:57
Speaker 5: think about the exit. But we can create generational wealth
40:00
Speaker 5: with a sale, then we can all go do something
40:03
Speaker 5: else and flip it and more business.
40:04
Speaker 1: So for me, this is a tough business. It's tough
40:06
Speaker 1: as hell.
40:07
Speaker 5: So if I can exit healthy, get some money and
40:10
Speaker 5: then go flip that into some other things whatnot. But yeah,
40:12
Speaker 5: we're selling. To answer your question, sure, we're definitely selling.
40:17
Speaker 4: When you started this, did you ever reach out did
40:20
Speaker 4: you get any help from the people at Asus Spade or.
40:23
Speaker 5: I never asked your connect No. I mean, let me
40:26
Speaker 5: just let's be honest about it, Like what am I
40:28
Speaker 5: going to go? Jay, I'm launching a Rose brand?
40:31
Speaker 1: Will you help me? Like?
40:32
Speaker 5: We never really had that, right, But we never had
40:35
Speaker 5: that sort of interaction like that hierarchy there is like
40:38
Speaker 5: desiree is is it right?
40:39
Speaker 1: So I certainly wasn't going to be like, yo, can
40:42
Speaker 1: you help me with the Rose? You knew her? We
40:44
Speaker 1: had one Yeah, yeah, yeah.
40:48
Speaker 5: The boss right, But I mean it just wasn't It
40:50
Speaker 5: was just one of those things where I wanted to
40:51
Speaker 5: do it on my own without that because I also
40:55
Speaker 5: didn't want it to be a celebrity brand, right, So
40:58
Speaker 5: that was another reason why I did and look at
41:00
Speaker 5: that from the outset, I wanted to I wanted to
41:02
Speaker 5: be a brand that was truly really built by an
41:05
Speaker 5: industry veteran.
41:07
Speaker 4: Do celebrity brands have less credibility in the like spirit world?
41:11
Speaker 4: Like are they looked at as like oh this is
41:15
Speaker 4: not credible because a celebrity owns it.
41:18
Speaker 5: No, but I think that's become the cookie cutter approach,
41:21
Speaker 5: Like everybody now there, who's your celebrity?
41:22
Speaker 1: You're like, damn you don't. Could you taste it first?
41:25
Speaker 1: Everybody I got back in the s. Yeah, and then
41:27
Speaker 1: a lot of them don't work.
41:28
Speaker 5: I think, you know, we all see the successes and
41:30
Speaker 5: think like it's a recipe in a formula, and sometimes
41:33
Speaker 5: it just isn't like that. There's been a lot of
41:35
Speaker 5: celebrity failures out there as well.
41:37
Speaker 4: So let me ask you this as a French name
41:40
Speaker 4: that has well previously, I don't think it has on
41:44
Speaker 4: these bottles, but it has the locations of frank Acheope,
41:48
Speaker 4: ye went automatically expect it was owned by somebody black. Right,
41:53
Speaker 4: But you're doing interviews, so obviously you're you're in the forefronte.
41:57
Speaker 4: Do you ever think did you ever think about out
42:00
Speaker 4: not putting yourself out there, because a lot of times,
42:02
Speaker 4: unfortunately it's like once we realize something is black, it's
42:06
Speaker 4: will tow too.
42:07
Speaker 2: No.
42:07
Speaker 4: Well, two things happen. The white people classified as black
42:11
Speaker 4: brand and even some black people might look at it
42:15
Speaker 4: a different way.
42:16
Speaker 1: Yeah.
42:17
Speaker 4: So but then on the other side, you could put
42:20
Speaker 4: you get support a black business, right like Carmelo, and
42:23
Speaker 4: he probably did that because you're from Baltimore, you're black.
42:26
Speaker 4: It's like, okay, he's black, he has a one. Why
42:28
Speaker 4: not show him love. So it's it can go either way.
42:32
Speaker 4: But I can see how, you know, being labeled as
42:34
Speaker 4: like a black business a black brand can be harmful.
42:38
Speaker 1: Yeah. So in the beginning, though I did not in
42:41
Speaker 1: my PR team.
42:42
Speaker 5: The PR team is like adamant that I get out
42:44
Speaker 5: there and talk about myself being the owner and founder
42:47
Speaker 5: because I had no interest. I wanted the product to
42:49
Speaker 5: live on itself for that very reason. I didn't want
42:51
Speaker 5: it to be stigmatized as like a black on brand,
42:53
Speaker 5: and we deal with that to this day. So I
42:55
Speaker 5: tell everybody, yes, it's owned by a black person, but
42:57
Speaker 5: it's not only for black people. And I have to
42:58
Speaker 5: say that because everyone's like black Rose. I'm just like,
43:01
Speaker 5: come on, you know what I mean, Like, no, it's
43:03
Speaker 5: a luxury rose from the south of France, from sanchol
43:05
Speaker 5: Paid that's owned by a black man, So.
43:07
Speaker 1: You totally get that.
43:10
Speaker 5: I think the challenging part was to make sure that
43:13
Speaker 5: it did look and feel luxury right, because you could
43:15
Speaker 5: say you're a high end luxury wine. So for us,
43:18
Speaker 5: it was it was important that all everything about it
43:21
Speaker 5: felt like the competitive set. So you can never say
43:25
Speaker 5: all but that's less than. There's nothing less than about
43:27
Speaker 5: this product. We can go tot totoe with the best
43:29
Speaker 5: of them. And I never set my goals on being
43:30
Speaker 5: the number one black owned Rose brand in the world.
43:33
Speaker 5: Now I want to be the number one Rose brand
43:35
Speaker 5: in the world period.
43:38
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean so the white one obviously, and you
43:42
Speaker 2: said you're going into red. I'm just trying to think
43:44
Speaker 2: now like you're putting you have the PR team yep.
43:48
Speaker 1: Right.
43:49
Speaker 2: We obviously know you're the owner who's coming up with
43:52
Speaker 2: the ideas for expansion. Who's a part of the team
43:55
Speaker 2: that that has helped this ro so fast and such
44:00
Speaker 2: a short time, right because we're talking maybe three to
44:02
Speaker 2: four years. So who's the people that are around you
44:05
Speaker 2: that have helped you get here in a sense of
44:08
Speaker 2: did you, you know, create relationships as you've grown from
44:11
Speaker 2: brand obviously, from OEt to a spade obviously maybe with
44:15
Speaker 2: the people that the heat are you looking at people
44:18
Speaker 2: like as you're grown, like I like this person when
44:21
Speaker 2: I start mine, I want to come back and find
44:23
Speaker 2: this part.
44:23
Speaker 1: How did you build a team? Who is the team?
44:26
Speaker 5: Yes, when I built so the team is still only
44:29
Speaker 5: four of us, which is crazy.
44:31
Speaker 1: We do a lot of and that's the internal sales.
44:34
Speaker 1: The whole team is almost here.
44:37
Speaker 5: Yeah, for the most part. First, but again I take
44:42
Speaker 5: a very like outsourced mentality to a lot of things. Right,
44:44
Speaker 5: So there are certain projects will tap into the network.
44:47
Speaker 5: I know this person was good at X when I
44:50
Speaker 5: worked on this brand. This person was good at X
44:52
Speaker 5: when I worked on that brand. You tap into them
44:53
Speaker 5: for those specific areas. The last thing we wanted to
44:57
Speaker 5: do was to be so heavy on salaries that we
45:02
Speaker 5: didn't have cash flow to do what we needed to
45:04
Speaker 5: do to move So for the reason, we didn't hire
45:07
Speaker 5: a lot of people.
45:08
Speaker 1: But yeah, we definitely tap into those networks.
45:10
Speaker 5: Like there's group chats of everything that happens, label design,
45:14
Speaker 5: Instagram captions, like it just flows around and then you
45:17
Speaker 5: have to bounce stuff off of other people to really
45:19
Speaker 5: get that real input. Not too many people because there's
45:22
Speaker 5: too many too much feedback is bad. But that trusted
45:25
Speaker 5: in the circle through over the years. Yeah, so let
45:30
Speaker 5: me ask you this. As far as the Rose and
45:34
Speaker 5: the Blanco, was concerned. Dude, you have an idea long
45:40
Speaker 5: term vision, like in your perfect world, would it be
45:43
Speaker 5: fifty fifty split?
45:44
Speaker 1: Waight?
45:44
Speaker 4: Now you got the red one too. Is it like
45:46
Speaker 4: a fifty to fifty or thirty three thirty three? Or
45:48
Speaker 4: is the rose always going to be the flagship product
45:52
Speaker 4: and the other ones are kind of like ancillaris.
45:55
Speaker 1: That's a good question, you know.
45:57
Speaker 5: Ideally, because we started with the rose is going to
46:00
Speaker 5: it should always be out flagship. But based upon the
46:03
Speaker 5: share market that white wine and red wine has, you
46:06
Speaker 5: would think that they will overtake the Rose some day.
46:10
Speaker 5: But for me personally, it's gonna always be the Rose.
46:13
Speaker 5: Rose is a champion.
46:14
Speaker 1: Yeah. How much of your data is this consumed? Right?
46:17
Speaker 2: Because do you have other interests outside of doing one?
46:20
Speaker 2: Or is this wine is because I'm listening to you
46:22
Speaker 2: talk and I'm like, you know all the statistics for
46:25
Speaker 2: pretty well versed in this. Does this consume most of
46:28
Speaker 2: your day or do you have other interests in investment
46:32
Speaker 2: or something else?
46:33
Speaker 5: I mean, for now, this is this is day in,
46:34
Speaker 5: day out, and that's because we're at this inflection point
46:38
Speaker 5: where you got to if you go now or the
46:40
Speaker 5: window and it's gonna be closed, right, So we have
46:43
Speaker 5: to focus.
46:44
Speaker 1: I have to focus.
46:45
Speaker 5: It's important to know what my competitors doing, what's happening
46:47
Speaker 5: in the space. So I spend a good portion of
46:50
Speaker 5: my day. My girl will probably say, way too much.
46:52
Speaker 1: Of my day on this business. Yeah.
46:55
Speaker 5: So the people that you used to work for now
46:57
Speaker 5: the biggest competitors, Oh for sure. Yeah, they all watching
47:00
Speaker 5: Like you look at LinkedIn and your Instagram story. She's like,
47:02
Speaker 5: oh all of them, you know what I'm saying, she's
47:05
Speaker 5: looking at my story.
47:06
Speaker 4: Yeah.
47:06
Speaker 1: Yeah.
47:09
Speaker 4: Has there been any negative issues, feedback or anything.
47:12
Speaker 5: You mean from previous Yeah, yeah, for sure. I mean, uh,
47:16
Speaker 5: you know, Jay's a big name. People use his name
47:20
Speaker 5: for clickbait. I don't say it, but people see Ace
47:22
Speaker 5: spades and then it becomes like, oh you work for
47:25
Speaker 5: jay Z. I was like, I never said that, you
47:26
Speaker 5: know what I mean?
47:26
Speaker 1: Like, so you deal with that.
47:29
Speaker 5: I haven't heard that personally, but I know that's probably
47:31
Speaker 5: a sore spot over there, right. And then for the
47:35
Speaker 5: previous company, you know, they never think they never thought
47:40
Speaker 5: that I could leave and do something like this. So
47:43
Speaker 5: and we're growing and we and we're nipping at their
47:45
Speaker 5: heels and we are the younger, cooler, great tasting rose.
47:52
Speaker 4: Like you want to say something, Yeah, but there's a
47:58
Speaker 4: lot of there's a lot of black people that are
48:02
Speaker 4: in the spirits world, but most of the time they're
48:04
Speaker 4: like brand ambassadors or influencers or like they run the
48:07
Speaker 4: marketing team. What's your advice for somebody that wants to
48:12
Speaker 4: become an entrepreneur in space but doesn't really know how
48:14
Speaker 4: to go about it, but might be passionate or might
48:16
Speaker 4: be in the business already.
48:19
Speaker 5: I mean, listen, I did rotations, whatever job and brand.
48:22
Speaker 5: For the most part, they wanted me to take in
48:23
Speaker 5: that business at the time I was at those companies.
48:25
Speaker 5: You do it because you learn so much. Even at
48:27
Speaker 5: the time it feels like, hell, you're like, what the
48:29
Speaker 5: fucking like you learned something like from working sales on
48:32
Speaker 5: the street, from working duty free, from having to work,
48:35
Speaker 5: you know, with the finance team every day and going
48:37
Speaker 5: through pos and reconciliations and all that stuff like that.
48:39
Speaker 1: You do learn the business.
48:41
Speaker 5: And I think, you know, in order for us to
48:43
Speaker 5: start heading these major corporations, as we all will in
48:47
Speaker 5: years to come, we got to start knowing.
48:49
Speaker 1: Every aspect of the business.
48:50
Speaker 5: Most CEOs, even if they're not doing it daily, if
48:52
Speaker 5: they sit in front of that board, they better be
48:54
Speaker 5: able to take those darts and understand what's happening in
48:57
Speaker 5: every sector.
48:58
Speaker 1: So to your point, where why I have and know
49:00
Speaker 1: the statistics. I got to know what's going on with freight.
49:02
Speaker 5: I got to know what's going on with price increases,
49:04
Speaker 5: all that sort of thing if the brand's gonna be successful.
49:07
Speaker 5: So I tell everybody in the industry, start as an ambassador,
49:11
Speaker 5: but take the jobs and the brands that don't sound sexy,
49:14
Speaker 5: because you'll learn something. I've worked with some un sexy
49:16
Speaker 5: brands before and it's benefited me, benefited me.
49:19
Speaker 2: Now, for sure, you said that the brand took off
49:23
Speaker 2: during the pandemic, But during the pandemic a lot of
49:25
Speaker 2: companies had supply chain issues.
49:27
Speaker 1: Yeah, how'd you guys alleviate that? Or we was putting
49:30
Speaker 1: stuff on airplanes the one.
49:34
Speaker 5: Yeah, But also if you think about it, States was
49:36
Speaker 5: shutting down, right, so if markets were shutting down, we
49:39
Speaker 5: were rerouting that inventory to places that were doing well.
49:44
Speaker 1: But we did run out of stock. Me, we ran
49:45
Speaker 1: out of stock like two three times.
49:47
Speaker 5: Like sales were flying, we'd be out of stock and
49:49
Speaker 5: we got to try to get it two three weeks
49:50
Speaker 5: out of stock.
49:51
Speaker 1: So it was a lot of out of just for
49:52
Speaker 1: us as well. It's just how you come out of them.
49:54
Speaker 5: Good thing is that everybody was understanding that it was
49:56
Speaker 5: taking five to ten days to get a wine bottle.
49:59
Speaker 1: I should have been there in two three. But you know,
50:01
Speaker 1: we got through it. But it's still tough to this day.
50:03
Speaker 5: I mean containers that are leaving France four weeks transit
50:06
Speaker 5: time is six weeks transit time. Then it gets to
50:08
Speaker 5: the porty's sitting there for another two weeks. Luckily we
50:11
Speaker 5: have the refrigeration units and everything in place to keep
50:14
Speaker 5: the wine good. But it's a lot of people that
50:16
Speaker 5: got bad wine and booze sitting out there on those docks.
50:19
Speaker 5: That's gonna be flooded into the market here soon and
50:22
Speaker 5: we'll see.
50:23
Speaker 4: But actually the pandemic might have been good for you,
50:25
Speaker 4: because I don't forget. I was in Brooklyn the night
50:28
Speaker 4: where they was about to shut down the city, and
50:31
Speaker 4: I drove past a liquor store, and I actually went
50:39
Speaker 4: to a liquor store and the owner was saying that
50:43
Speaker 4: it was the best day ever, even better than New Year's. Yeah,
50:48
Speaker 4: New Year's Eve is traditionally the best day I think
50:51
Speaker 4: for like those local liquor stores, and he was like,
50:54
Speaker 4: that day was better than New Year's Eve. Yeah, so
50:57
Speaker 4: I say, I had to say, once people realized that
50:59
Speaker 4: they was gonna be locked down, yeah, they was buying alcohol.
51:02
Speaker 1: Crazy.
51:02
Speaker 4: Did you see ticking your product uptick?
51:05
Speaker 2: Like it was.
51:05
Speaker 5: We were up like three hundred percent during the pandemic,
51:07
Speaker 5: literally three hundred percent, Like it was crazy. Like the
51:10
Speaker 5: website was crashing, we were running out of stock, stores
51:12
Speaker 5: were running out of stock, like and it's sad, right
51:15
Speaker 5: because it was such a horrible time, but man, it
51:18
Speaker 5: was a blessing for us, Like it was a blessing.
51:20
Speaker 2: I remember seeing the Instagram posts like you want to
51:23
Speaker 2: know how what your name was doing?
51:24
Speaker 1: Look at their garbage.
51:25
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was like they went down and street and
51:28
Speaker 2: everybody had like seven bottles of.
51:30
Speaker 1: Wide that's it. You had nothing else to do, that
51:33
Speaker 1: was it.
51:33
Speaker 2: You were just sitting at home one like, when are
51:35
Speaker 2: we gonna be able to go back outside?
51:37
Speaker 1: So you were cool. So what's the toughest obstacle? Right?
51:43
Speaker 1: Because you said this shit is hard, and it sounds
51:46
Speaker 1: this isn't an easy thing.
51:47
Speaker 2: So What's what's been some of the toughest obstacles that
51:49
Speaker 2: you had to have faced during this journey of entrepreneurism
51:53
Speaker 2: in the world of Spirits.
51:55
Speaker 5: Yeah, unfortunately, I'm still regards to the years of industry experience,
51:59
Speaker 5: we're still judge differently than some of the other brands competitors.
52:02
Speaker 5: I should say, a lot of them get green lights.
52:04
Speaker 5: And yes it's a lot faster, and I still have
52:06
Speaker 5: to explain why why we're better.
52:09
Speaker 1: No, we're not this, No we're not that.
52:10
Speaker 5: So the gatekeepers in this industry, and more point than that,
52:13
Speaker 5: the three tier system itself is the most gangster shit
52:17
Speaker 5: out here right because as I explained to you, I
52:19
Speaker 5: can't sell my product directly to any consumer. I have
52:22
Speaker 5: to sell it to a distributor. I didn't have to
52:24
Speaker 5: then rely on that distributor and his salesforce to go
52:27
Speaker 5: potentially present it to a retailer for the retailer to
52:30
Speaker 5: carry it for you to buy. It's a broken system,
52:33
Speaker 5: like how to look at beauty brands. You look at
52:35
Speaker 5: most fashion brands, they can go straight from the warehouse,
52:38
Speaker 5: their website to a consumer.
52:40
Speaker 1: We can't. We don't control any of that.
52:42
Speaker 5: So I'm at the mercy of these five or six
52:44
Speaker 5: big distributor families to present my brand in order for
52:49
Speaker 5: consumers to buy it.
52:49
Speaker 2: Like, that's a problem. So what's the incentive for them
52:53
Speaker 2: to even say, let's move yours? Like, is this a
52:56
Speaker 2: situation where like I could come in, I might have
52:58
Speaker 2: more capital than you, Like, Hey, let's distributor whatever their
53:02
Speaker 2: name is, Yo, here's a million under the table.
53:04
Speaker 1: Make sure this gets off your shelves.
53:06
Speaker 2: Whereas somebody who doesn't have the type of capitalist it's like,
53:09
Speaker 2: I'm moving if I want to.
53:11
Speaker 5: Yeah, those are like the I don't know, but I mean, listen,
53:17
Speaker 5: they focus on right now. And the issue is that
53:19
Speaker 5: you have these large conglomerates like an LBMH, like a
53:22
Speaker 5: Diago partner with a distributor. They get all the focus
53:25
Speaker 5: and attention, and then all the other four thousand brands
53:28
Speaker 5: are thrown into one division together with ten sales reps
53:32
Speaker 5: that's supposed to like go out here and present like
53:34
Speaker 5: four thousand brands. So that's why as incumbing to pron
53:37
Speaker 5: us to like build the brand heat to hope. That's
53:40
Speaker 5: the part that retailers to keep asking, I mean consumers
53:43
Speaker 5: to keep asking the retailers, Yo, you got this brand
53:45
Speaker 5: that retailer then called a distributor. But the three tier
53:48
Speaker 5: system is broken. Like it's the most anti competitive thing
53:50
Speaker 5: I've ever seen in my life. Like it's nuts.
53:55
Speaker 4: You have it, ladies and gentlemen. What So before we wrap,
53:58
Speaker 4: what's your five year tenure plan for your for your company?
54:02
Speaker 1: What do you have in envision?
54:03
Speaker 5: Yeah, we're gonna, like I said, the White Wine become
54:05
Speaker 5: a full time SKU in twenty twenty three. We expect
54:08
Speaker 5: game busses for that, will continue to develop and penetrate
54:11
Speaker 5: other markets for the rose. The red wine will come
54:14
Speaker 5: in three years, we will be the number one selling
54:17
Speaker 5: rose wine brand in the United States of America.
54:19
Speaker 1: That's for sure. Uh.
54:21
Speaker 5: In five years, there'll be an exit and then you'll
54:23
Speaker 5: see the other spirits and wine brands.
54:26
Speaker 1: Come behind it.
54:26
Speaker 5: I will build a wine and spirits company after this,
54:29
Speaker 5: another one, another one, a full full.
54:32
Speaker 4: Full fledged Yeah tequila vodka with that yea all at?
54:34
Speaker 4: So this is like the starter, Yeah, this is the
54:37
Speaker 4: starter to something bigger.
54:39
Speaker 1: Yeah.
54:39
Speaker 5: Absolutely. I Mean if you look at the guy behind
54:43
Speaker 5: Aby on Tequila Ken Austin, he's done it now three times.
54:46
Speaker 5: Ay Bey on Tequila proper whiskey and now he's a
54:49
Speaker 5: partner in Tarmana. Why why can't I do that?
54:53
Speaker 1: Why can I do that?
54:54
Speaker 4: So you're already going with that and with the end
54:55
Speaker 4: of mind. Yeah, important. Do you have the end of
54:58
Speaker 4: mind when you started?
54:59
Speaker 1: No, I've thought I was gonna have this thing forever.
55:01
Speaker 1: But that was the naive me not understand you.
55:02
Speaker 4: When did you start to think about that?
55:05
Speaker 5: The conversations with Constellation, Yeah, I fought, I fought. I
55:11
Speaker 5: have a great advice Robbie Robinson from Pendulum, And probably
55:14
Speaker 5: the first conversation he's like, you know, there's probably going
55:17
Speaker 5: to be some conversations around them acquiring you hold out
55:21
Speaker 5: throughout this.
55:22
Speaker 1: I was like, I'm not doing that.
55:24
Speaker 5: And that's when he broke it down, like you're being shortsighted,
55:27
Speaker 5: because one hundred percent of nothing is nothing, right, twenty
55:32
Speaker 5: percent of what they could potentially do for you could
55:36
Speaker 5: be life changing for generations to come.
55:39
Speaker 1: Fact.
55:40
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I mean the value of selling a company.
55:43
Speaker 4: A lot of time people don't fully appreciate that. Yeah,
55:45
Speaker 4: but you know Elon Musk, Yeah, so PayPal and started
55:52
Speaker 4: SpaceX first actually, and then he started Tesla. Yeah, and
55:56
Speaker 4: you know, he made a couple hundred million for the
55:58
Speaker 4: first company, but now he's for a couple hundred billion.
56:00
Speaker 1: Exactly. You just got to have capital.
56:02
Speaker 5: We don't have liquid capital available a lot of times
56:04
Speaker 5: in our communities. Like I want that money to go
56:05
Speaker 5: out there and be able to take a risk. I'm
56:07
Speaker 5: gonna put X amount of dollars into this this next
56:10
Speaker 5: Airbnb and see what happens and not have to really
56:12
Speaker 5: stress about my return.
56:14
Speaker 1: But what's it?
56:15
Speaker 2: I mean, funding is obviously an issue, is that? I mean,
56:20
Speaker 2: how did you have to go through like that process
56:22
Speaker 2: of actually trying to acquire funding and go through banks.
56:25
Speaker 2: Is that I feel like that might not be Is
56:26
Speaker 2: that something that banks are like, hey, yeah, let's help
56:29
Speaker 2: fund this this black business.
56:30
Speaker 5: No, I mean going to banks was never an option.
56:32
Speaker 5: I knew they were going to say no, right, there
56:34
Speaker 5: was no track record, the sales wasn't enough. We didn't
56:37
Speaker 5: have enough of our own capital invested, which is why
56:40
Speaker 5: you know, when we started, we were there only one
56:43
Speaker 5: hundred percent black owned Rose. We no longer can use
56:45
Speaker 5: that tagline, but that's for a good reason because when
56:47
Speaker 5: Constellation invested, they took a percentage of the business, so
56:50
Speaker 5: we're not solely black owned, So I think a lot
56:52
Speaker 5: of times in our community as well, they're like, oh,
56:54
Speaker 5: they ain't.
56:54
Speaker 1: Really black owned.
56:55
Speaker 5: But like, if you understand what it takes to scale
56:58
Speaker 5: and build a business, there's not an enough of us
57:00
Speaker 5: to go to to go get the amount of money
57:02
Speaker 5: that's needed a lot of time to fund adventure like this.
57:05
Speaker 5: So yeah, I took money on but I'm okay with that.
57:11
Speaker 5: But I think you need to have that conversation more
57:13
Speaker 5: about like funding and what it means.
57:17
Speaker 4: Well, can you have it, ladies and gentlemen, I will
57:20
Speaker 4: be tasting this at your Where can I buy this?
57:24
Speaker 1: Yeah?
57:24
Speaker 5: I think the easiest way to its point like Drizzley
57:25
Speaker 5: going there, that's the easiest. But here in the city
57:28
Speaker 5: you got Happy Cork, you got Parcel Wine, you got
57:30
Speaker 5: Empire wine if you drink it air places you can
57:33
Speaker 5: go to Soho houses, you can go to the gathering
57:35
Speaker 5: spots and Atlanta and DC. Like, yeah, all we try
57:38
Speaker 5: to be everywhere. It's sexy for me. Bro It's like
57:40
Speaker 5: I'm having the product wherever I want to go. So
57:42
Speaker 5: if it's not there, then it's a problem.
57:45
Speaker 1: Out to the gapot is it? Is it on a
57:47
Speaker 1: website tomorrow? Yeah?
57:48
Speaker 5: You go on to website and it'll take you to
57:49
Speaker 5: either there's two ways. It'll take you to stores in
57:51
Speaker 5: your area. You can put in your zip code, or
57:53
Speaker 5: you can just buy it through like a wine dot com,
57:55
Speaker 5: which we have a directly. What's the website called www.
57:58
Speaker 5: Lafette Rose dot com. L A F E T E
58:01
Speaker 5: R O S E dot com.
58:03
Speaker 1: Yeah.
58:03
Speaker 2: I was just gonna say, our brother Ryan Wilson at
58:05
Speaker 2: the gatherings. We will be down there shortly and so
58:08
Speaker 2: we will definitely have to make sure that this is
58:11
Speaker 2: on every table.
58:11
Speaker 5: I mean, Ryan's a good brother. I went to him
58:12
Speaker 5: soon as I launched the wine. He was like, you black,
58:14
Speaker 5: I'm taking it.
58:16
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58:20
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58:23
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58:27
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