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Julaine Appling: Update On SCOTUS Cases, WFA Firebombing · Worldview Matters With David Fiorazo

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  Welcome to World View Matters, discussing controversial issues, discerning current events,
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  defending biblical Christianity.
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  And now, here's your host, David Fierazzo.
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  So, Georgia's in the house.
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  Thank you guys so very much.
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  All right, Jelaine Appling is here, president of Wisconsin Family Council and Wisconsin Family
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  Action. And we're going to do an end of the year update, faith, family, culture, and there's some
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  Supreme Court cases and articles we want to get the latest on from Jelaine.
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  So welcome and Merry Christmas, sister.
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  Thanks for coming back on the show.
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  Oh, Merry Christmas to you too, David.
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  It's an honor and a privilege to join you.
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  Like you're getting more viewership.
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  Yes, praise God.
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  It's growing like crazy.
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  And I know it's not me.
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  So I know it's the people that are sharing.
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  But in my new book, Assault on the Image of God, one of the chapters is a tax on pro-life pregnancy
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  centers. And then there's the tax on free speech.
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  But I include your story early on that chapter and what happened in your offices on Mother's Day
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  2021, about a year and a half ago.
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  And it took him a long time to start the investigation to actually find anybody suspects.
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  And so you have an update.
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  And I printed this off at WisconsinFamilyAction.org.
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  That's W-I-FamilyAction.org.
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  It's an update on your office's fire bombing case.
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  And one person so far has pled guilty.
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  And what's fascinating, Jelaine, is they caught him.
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  He was about to jump on a one-way plane to Guatemala from what I understand.
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  So I want to just get your thoughts and get the update out of your mouth.
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  So our listeners can go, okay, because they've been following a lot of people that watch
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  this show have been following that case and hoping that something like this would happen.
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  So tell us the latest, please.
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  Yeah, sure, David.
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  This has been quite a journey.
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  You know, it was Mother's Day of 2022.
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  May 8th there that I got the call.
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  And I was at church, helping with the brunch.
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  And, you know, hey, you've been attacked.
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  And the very clear warning threat to us on the exterior walls.
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  If abortions aren't safe, then you aren't either.
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  And all of this was in the wake, of course, of the leak,
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  dobs decision leading up to the overturning of Roe versus Wade,
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  that the Supreme Court and eventually handed down.
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  So we were the first in the country as far as we know to be attacked.
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  And we are the pregnancy care center, as you know, David.
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  We're a policy group, but we are very available in the city of Madison and people knew that.
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  So we had this, you know, this conflagration.
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  And it actually was in my personal space in our office suite.
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  So it was very obvious it was mine and a desk plate that said mine.
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  It had an executive look to it.
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  So, you know, the ATF, the FBI, the local Madison Police Department,
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  all there that day, they took the physical evidence, told me it would be a while.
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  And I want to say this carefully because I want people to understand.
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  I do think that there is corruption at the highest levels of the FBI
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  and probably many other law enforcement agencies in our country.
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  Yep, but as we went through this process, David, I got to tell you
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  that I gained a new respect for the local manifestation of that.
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  Local.
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  Okay, that is very, very important.
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  Yeah.
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  Because we had no cameras.
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  There were no cameras to catch this person.
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  Our building did not have cameras on it.
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  Local area of this building did not have cameras.
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  Interesting.
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  It was very hard to start this.
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  So they took DNA and as you mentioned in March of this year,
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  and I'll quickly tell the stories.
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  I think it's important in January of this year.
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  There was an anti police demonstration at the state capital
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  and they were doing graffiti on the sidewalk.
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  And a and a student, a capital police policeman said,
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  wow, that graffiti looks really similar to the writing that was on that
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  pro-life group's wall last year.
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  And so they contacted the medicine police department.
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  And eventually they were able to figure out who was in the car
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  and who owned the car that they saw drive away.
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  It was quite a process to do that.
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  So they began following this individual.
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  And then in March of this year,
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  this individual was at a parking lot, apparently,
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  eating a Mexican meal through the refuse away.
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  And the heavy burrito was extracted from the trash can.
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  They took the DNA, this is NCIS, right?
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  So they took the DNA off that and then that was in March.
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  So later in March, they did trace him and trail him
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  to the Boston Logan Air National Airport
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  where he was getting on the plane with a one-way ticket to Guatemala.
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  So he's at the Indian descent.
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  They brought him back.
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  They extradited him from Massachusetts,
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  brought him back here to Wisconsin.
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  And that started the judicial part of this.
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  So and where we ended up was that number one,
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  I didn't want him released.
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  I was asked repeatedly, did I want him released?
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  And I kept saying, my recommendation is no.
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  Fortunately, they didn't do that.
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  They held him in Madison and they held him out of federal pen.
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  But the upshot is as of the 1st of December,
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  there was a plea hearing in federal court in Madison,
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  which is a Western District federal court for our state,
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  with Judge William Conley.
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  I was present at that hearing the week before,
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  it was about a week, maybe two weeks before,
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  and a written plea agreement had been entered.
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  But nothing settled for sure until that individual actually
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  pleads guilty before the court.
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  So I just to give you kind of a you were there type thing.
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  I walk in and the room is pretty empty.
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  And there's a two desk, you know,
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  where the attorneys are going to sit
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  and where any interested party,
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  as far as the accused is going to sit.
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  I see the attorneys representing the United States
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  and representing our interests as a victim over on the right.
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  And the room is empty.
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  I sat over in the middle section on the left.
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  And eventually a sergeant at Arms Guy came up to me
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  and he said, you know, you might be more comfortable
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  on the other side.
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  And I said, I said, okay, you mean not behind this desk.
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  And he said, yeah, there's going to be a lot of people coming in.
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  So Mr. Rouch Roucher, his name is virtually unpronounceable.
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  Way too many consonants David.
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  But his family and friends came in and they filled that place.
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  Interestingly, they all had mask on.
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  What kind of mask?
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  Come, well, they had just a regular cold type mask.
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  So this was December 1st.
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  Wow. This is Madison, David.
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  This is Madison.
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  We are, they have lost their minds.
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  But anyway, the, the, the, the accused came in
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  and the judge put him through a whole litany of questions
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  that had to be asked.
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  Like, you know, were you coerced?
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  Were you bribed?
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  Were you put pressure?
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  You know, was there any kind of promise giving you?
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  If you plead guilty, that's something will happen.
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  And the opposite is he did plead guilty before the court.
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  In a recorded statement, he owned up to what he did.
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  And he will be given five to 20 years.
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  The judge has discretion.
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  But only discretion within that five and 20 years.
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  He could be fined up to $250,000.
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  He could be ordered to pay restitution for the damages.
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  He could be ordered to community service.
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  There's a number of things.
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  So sentencing will be on February 14th.
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  I plan to be there.
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  I plan to make a victim statement.
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  I want the court to hear what this cost us as not just in dollars and cents.
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  But in all the things that we've had to go through to, you know,
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  keep our organization going in the wake of this kind of attack.
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  But we believe that this is the first and the nation
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  of these kinds of attacks on pro-life groups where we've actually gotten a guilty
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  either a conviction or a plea of guilty.
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  So David, I'm pleased.
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  Let me finish it up with this.
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  Sure.
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  There were two other sets of DNA extracted at our sign.
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  So you can tell that this is still an open case.
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  And apparently this gentleman did not give any information
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  about the other two people.
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  So I'm guessing his lips are sealed.
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  And he's not going to implicate anybody else.
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  And he's going to be the fall guy for this.
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  The only other thing that we can think of is he wants to be a martyr.
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  Because otherwise, why plead guilty?
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  Exactly.
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  The evidence was really stacked against him.
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  In his home, they found all the makings for the Molotov cocktail.
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  So that was pretty incredible, yeah.
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  So Rodindu was responsible at least maybe for putting together the bomb,
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  the fire bomb that took out part of your office.
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  And boy, we just can't imagine most of us to have an office or a place of employment or a home
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  or anything like that, a vandalized fire bomb, like what you went through.
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  And then Julaine, speak briefly about this new threat really to pro-life Americans and
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  Christians that they are willing to threaten your life.
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  Because they said on graffiti on the outside of your building,
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  if abortions aren't safe, then neither are you, or then you aren't either.
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  So you're not safe if you're a pro-life.
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  If you want to protect life, human life, and mother's wombs.
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  And you're doing any work against the murder agenda, the abortion agenda.
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  You are there on their enemy list and they're being very open with their threats.
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  We've seen this across the country.
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  And one more thing I'd like you to respond to.
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  You said yours was possibly the first where there was someone actually arrested.
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  Over in Buffalo, Jim Harden at Compasscare, they had cameras.
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  They had security footage.
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  But it was taken from them from what I understand.
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  I don't know if you're in touch with Jim.
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  I haven't spoken to him in about six months or more.
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  Are you aware of any updates or any other cases where
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  this was a year and a half ago where a lot of these pro-life pregnancy
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  centers were destroyed, vandalized, fire bombed? Go ahead.
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  Yeah, David, that's a good point.
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  And I wasn't touched with Jim early on.
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  We haven't communicated in recent months.
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  And I can't speak to what's going on there.
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  And I'm not saying in a blanket way that the FBI, the ATF,
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  and local law enforcement all across the country have handled these things well.
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  I just think in our instance, I do believe locally.
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  I'm not talking about at the high levels where they've done some really
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  ridiculous anti-American things.
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  But I think sometimes down stream from the highest levels of these organizations,
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  the individuals at the local level are just trying to do their job.
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  But it's unfortunate and anything that the FBI is doing at any level to thwart justice.
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  So David, in the midst of all of this, I've said repeatedly, as an organization,
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  we are not about vengeance and we're not about retribution.
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  We're about justice under the law.
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  Yes.
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  And so five to 20 years and whatever we get in there,
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  that's justice under the law.
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  Ignoring these attacks, delaying them,
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  purposefully, as you've mentioned, removing cameras or stuff like that,
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  evidence, if you will, from the place of the crime,
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  as they apparently have done at Buffalo, what's going on?
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  Yeah.
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  You know, this is America.
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  Well, we know what the perpetrators need to be brought to justice.
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  Yes, we know what's going on.
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  The Biden administration has weaponized the justice system.
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  They have vowed to come after pro-life groups
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  and people that are out there praying on sidewalks in front of an abortion
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  mill, an abortion business.
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  So I mean, we've seen that even recently,
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  a couple within the last month or two,
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  the headlines, they're going to go after their political enemies,
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  or those who want to protect life in the moon.
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  We've got to move on though.
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  We've got Jolaine Appling, Wisconsin Family Action,
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  and Wisconsin Family Council.
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  When we come back, we're going to talk about the Supreme Court now
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  that have agreed to consider a case on abortion pill, quote,
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  access, also the Supreme Court rejected an appeal
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  over bands on quote, air quotes, conversion therapy
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  for LGBTQ children, more coming up on World View Matters.
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  All right, Jolaine Appling, our guest,
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  let's go over to the Supreme Court and talk about this case that's fascinating.
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  And I want to hear your thoughts on the potential repercussions on this.
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  So they decided the scotus to consider a case on abortion pill access.
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  And Jolaine, I love that word access.
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  We could really talk about what that means.
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  But the case will determine the future of this, one of the drugs,
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  one of the abortion pills.
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  And the first major abortionist to reach the Supreme Court
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  since Roe v. Wade was overturned.
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  So your thoughts on this right off the top.
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  Okay, so I'm going to peel off from what we were just talking about.
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  The people who want to kill the unborn are relentless.
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  Their first reaction to the people who don't agree with them
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  is two things, violence or lawsuit.
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  That's the way they roll.
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  How they play.
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  And they found the courts very, very sympathetic to them.
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  So one of the things that happened during COVID was a relaxing
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  of some of the restrictions on access to the RU486.
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  RU486 is that two step process that creates a chemical abortion.
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  And what's happening is there are there are states that are trying to say
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  we need to roll this back because this drug is not safe.
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  And the advocates for abortion, David, are saying,
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  hey, wait a minute, the FDA approved it.
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  But we are seeing more and more and more reports
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  where women are suffering from effects,
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  from taking this very, very potent drug.
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  And as I said, it's a two step process.
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  You take one part of it one day and then 24 hours you take the next.
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  And by the way, there is a pill you can take between those two
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  to if you have regret to reverse that.
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  But yeah, and that's hidden too.
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  I mean, look, they want to do everything they can to hide truth
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  and keep women from making wise informed decisions.
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  So what's happening is there was there was the Supreme Court actually got the case a little earlier.
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  And they refused to say, okay, we're going to stop this wholesale access to it.
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  And now, as of yesterday or the day before, I think it was yesterday, they said,
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  no, we are now going to hear this whole case.
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  And we're going to determine whether we need to, based on the evidence that's coming
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  in from the FDA and coming in from those of us like us, David, who are saying,
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  no, this is a dangerous pharmaceutical.
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  Not only does it kill the preborn, it also has very, very dangerous effects for women.
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  And they're not fully informed.
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  Now, one of the things just real quickly to put this in a state context in Wisconsin,
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  we have a telemed ban, which means in theory, women can't just jump on the internet,
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  find some pro abortion doctors, say, yep, I'll give you the REU 486.
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  No problem. I won't have to see you and I don't have to examine you.
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  I'll just send it to you.
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  We technically have that in place.
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  But what we know about this drug, by the way, is women are now getting different places like
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  India. What do you think the quality control is coming out of India?
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  Oh my goodness.
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  What could go wrong?
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  So this is good.
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  This is good, right?
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  The Supreme Court is going to do it.
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  No, I want to make sure everybody understands.
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  We have no guarantee on this Supreme Court, because they have shown themselves to be
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  willing to take votes that we didn't necessarily think some of those conservatives would take.
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  This is a test to see, all right, you'll overturned row.
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  But how far are you willing to go on something like a chemical abortion?
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  Because so, David, you talk about access.
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  Does access mean that there is then a constitutional right to access?
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  Because what did the courts say about abortion?
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  That the US Constitution does not have a right to abortion in it.
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  But I believe RU-46, as much as it creates an abortion, just like a surgical abortion.
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  So, let's watch this case, should be done by the end of July of June next year.
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  So it wraps up and we'll put this on the screen.
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  I think Jeff already put it up on the screen.
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  This one I have from the Guardian, US Supreme Court agrees to consider abortion pill access.
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  It wraps up by saying, ultimately, regardless of how the Supreme Court rules,
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  its decision will not curtail the thriving underground networks that routinely supply,
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  is it MIF, MIF, Pristone?
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  Is that how you say it?
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  MIF, Pristone?
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  MIF, MIF, MIF, MIF, MIF, MIF, MIF, MIF, MIF, MIF,
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  to women looking to end their pregnancies or women looking to
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  eliminate the babies from their womb.
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  So, and I like the way they put it, it will not affect the thriving underground networks.
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  That's going on.
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  And by the way, I've been reading some numbers.
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  Planned Parenthood has gotten more money since Rovey Way was overturned.
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  The Biden administration has seen to that abortion funding is,
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  I think at record levels, if I'm not mistaken, between federal dollars and their revenue.
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  So, let's just understand.
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  We want to raise awareness about this and keep an eye on that case.
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  Jolaine, the next case talks about an appeal over bans on conversion therapy.
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  Boy, have they done a good job of really framing that as such an evil thing to do to children,
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  conversion therapy?
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  What does that mean?
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  Tell us about this case and that why did the Supreme Court reject this appeal?
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  You know, David, this is interesting to me, and I do think it hinges on just as you describe
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  how people perceive what conversion therapy means.
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  Yeah.
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  Conversion therapy is not shock therapy.
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  It's not some kind of a physical abuse.
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  It's not, it's not brow-beating.
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  It's not berating.
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  It's not bullying and intimidating.
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  It essentially is what you and I would call talk counseling.
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  It's counseling.
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  It's what biblical counselors do, right?
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  Yeah.
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  It's what our pastors, what our trained Christian counselors do,
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  when a young person in particular presents with gender confusion,
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  our biblical counselors try to say, look,
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  this isn't a physiological or a biological problem.
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  It's an emotional, a psychological, a spiritual problem,
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  and you're not going to fix this by doing surgeries and taking cross-sex hormones
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  and puberty blockers, you're going to make it worse.
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  And so we have these cases that are now starting to percolate
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  from, excuse me, from communities where they have passed these bans
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  on so-called conversion therapy.
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  We have them all over the state, by the way, right now,
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  these bans at the local level for minors.
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  So with their beginning to find these federal appellate courts
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  are making decisions on them.
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  And I don't understand quite why the court said no to this
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  because there are now competing appellate districts
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  that are different in their opinion.
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  Said, yes, the communities have the right to ban it.
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  And another one says, no, the community doesn't have a right
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  because it's a religious freedom or free speech issue.
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  What one thing I read was that there is a possibility
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  that there are much better cases coming.
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  Okay.
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  Everybody believes it's eventually going to be decided
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  by the US Supreme Court.
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  Absolutely.
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  And maybe it will, but I think our plea to people, David,
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  is conversion therapy is not scary, you know,
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  a violation of the well-being of the, especially the minor.
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  But this is the left doing their dead-level best
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  to say, always do to make it look as if we are,
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  we are stuff with draconian, we're so far out of the mainstream
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  and we just want to hurt people.
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  It's not, that's not how it is.
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  Yeah, and they've changed public opinion
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  through talking points, through propaganda,
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  through just extreme exaggerations.
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  And what we're talking about, friends, if a young person believes
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  they are gay or lesbian or let's just say they believe
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  they were born in the wrong body and they think they should,
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  you know, they're attracted to men or attracted to women
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  of the same sex, it means they're saying you better not,
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  you better dare not counsel them any other way
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  other than the direction they've already started to go.
• 22:47
  So let's talk about Washington State,
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  Jelaine, apparently licensed counselors
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  cannot voice anything other than state-approved opinion
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  on minors with, for example, gender dysphoria
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  without facing punishment.
• 23:04
  So what does state-approved opinion?
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  That's whatever the government says you are allowed to tell,
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  so this is communist policy in America.
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  That's just what this is.
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  When you're banning the truth, what we believe is truth
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  biblically from the biblical worldview,
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  but you're not able to share a possibility
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  that they might be normal and be attracted to the same sex
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  when they're going down this road.
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  Share your thoughts on that.
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  This is really dangerous.
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  I know that's in Washington.
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  Well, there's a reason I don't live on the West Coast.
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  This is just one, but that is what they're trying to do.
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  They're trying to say that the only people
• 23:44
  that have the right answers are the people in government,
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  the leftist who get elected to these or appointed
• 23:50
  to these bureaucracies are in decision-making positions.
• 23:54
  That's how all of ours around the state are worded pretty much.
• 23:57
  David, what they say is that the community level often is
• 24:01
  you can't do anything other than encourage and help.
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  You can't say anything that is contrary
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  to what this young person wants to do.
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  It's the same thing.
• 24:12
  It has to be state-approved language.
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  Leftist liberal Marxists call it
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  whatever humanist, whatever kind of
• 24:20
  label we want to put on it.
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  It's absolutely wrong.
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  It's an abrogation of freedom of speech,
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  an abrogation of religious freedom,
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  and shame on Washington State.
• 24:30
  And any other state that has put this in at the state level,
• 24:33
  we've avoided it here at the state level.
• 24:34
  There have been bills introduced that would do that,
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  but because of the makeup of our state
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  or state legislature right now,
• 24:40
  they're not going anywhere.
• 24:42
  So these are things that at the community level,
• 24:44
  at the state level, at the national level,
• 24:46
  we all need to be paying attention to.
• 24:48
  Okay, so we're running out of time quickly
• 24:50
  and there were a couple other stories we wanted to get to.
• 24:52
  So let's, we've got one from the Wisconsin Supreme Court,
• 24:55
  and there's another one, a judge ruled on Wisconsin's
• 24:59
  pre-row abortion law.
• 25:01
  What one do you want to tackle first, Elaine?
• 25:04
  Let's just real quickly do the school choice.
• 25:05
  Okay. Okay.
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  But there was a lawsuit filed directly
• 25:09
  with the State Supreme Court,
• 25:10
  skipped the lower courts completely last month saying
• 25:13
  that the school choice program,
• 25:15
  our voucher program, which is wildly successful,
• 25:17
  especially for lower income families to give their kids
• 25:20
  the best education is unconstitutional.
• 25:23
  Here's the reason, David,
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  because it's taking money from the public schools.
• 25:27
  So it's all about money.
• 25:29
  It's not, that's really what it's all about.
• 25:31
  And so the, what's significant here is that yesterday,
• 25:35
  our State Supreme Court, now liberal,
• 25:37
  now leaning liberal for three, said,
• 25:39
  no, not going to take it directly.
• 25:41
  If you want to do this, you got to go start down
• 25:43
  at the lowest court and work your way up.
• 25:45
  So for quite now, at least our school choice program
• 25:47
  is safe here in Wisconsin.
• 25:49
  Okay, well, that is good news.
• 25:51
  And like I said, they're, you know,
• 25:53
  they're going to be working on it.
• 25:54
  They never stop.
• 25:55
  Now they just have to go to the lower courts.
• 25:56
  So what about the judge that ruled
• 25:58
  on the pre-abortion law in Dane County?
• 26:03
  Well, she's had this case since four days
• 26:04
  after Roe versus Wade was overturned in 2022.
• 26:08
  And finally, now that the Supreme Court is liberal,
• 26:11
  she's begun moving on it.
• 26:12
  And she says that the entirety of 940.04,
• 26:15
  which is our pre-row abortion ban is not about abortion,
• 26:19
  it's about fetus side, which would mean the killing
• 26:22
  of the pre-born without the consent of the mother.
• 26:26
  No, this, this, that statute is labeled abortion
• 26:29
  and applies to abortion as we know it,
• 26:32
  meaning consensual abortion where the mother goes in
• 26:34
  and intentionally says, I want an abortion.
• 26:36
  I don't want to carry this child.
• 26:38
  This judge has a completely wrong.
• 26:40
  We'll see what happens to the plaintiff.
• 26:42
  There were three plaintiffs, a DA from Madison,
• 26:44
  D.A. from Milwaukee and the D.A.
• 26:46
  from Subwagon County, good guy in Subwagon County.
• 26:49
  And he says, I'm going to appeal.
• 26:50
  So that's encouraging.
• 26:51
  Well, to see how it goes.
• 26:53
  Yes.
• 26:54
  Well, you can get info on that.
• 26:55
  If you missed, you want to get the details on the update,
• 26:57
  go to wifamilyaction.org.
• 27:00
  You've got it on their website, there, Jelaine.
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  Boy, it went by fast.
• 27:04
  Thank you again so very much.
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  I know people can also make end of your donations
• 27:09
  to Wisconsin Family Council or Wisconsin Family Action.
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  God bless you.
• 27:14
  Have a Merry Christmas.
• 27:15
  Lord willing, we'll talk to you in the new year early.
• 27:19
  Absolutely, David.
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  God bless you and Merry Christmas too.
• 27:22
  Thank you so much.
• 27:23
  Jelaine Appling.
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