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AUDIO:Uncovered: How Body Shame Hijacks Connection — A Candid Roundtable · Eye Opener Society

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Hello, everyone. Welcome back to EyeOpener Society. Thank you again for tuning
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in on this kind of off-beat kind of recording.
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This is the first time you're going to see me recording inside of my car.
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And the entire reason for this is I was setting everything up. There's a lot going on.
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And I was supposed to be doing this outdoors, kind of like our co-host Hannah is and all.
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But nothing worked out because I had no
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cell phone signal For where I was So
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I had to run back So I'm doing this from my car in my parking lot But that's
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okay The podcast is still going to be amazing I just want to give everybody
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a heads up That on Podbean Now you can see the video Just in case you're wondering
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what we're talking about If you actually want to see me sitting in my car hosting this.
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There's going to be two versions of the podcast There will be an audio only
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And then there will be the video version found on Podbean. You can still find
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So I have two wonderful people here with me. I have Hannah Rose from The Sound
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Within and I have Lizzie with me, my normal co-host.
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And we got together because I wanted to do a podcast based on a topic that's
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been bugging me for some time.
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So I'm just going to lay it out for everybody.
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Lately, I've been on TikTok and I'm, you know, was comfortable with it for quite some time.
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I like to sit and watch some people, obviously, because I met two wonderful people.
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I met Lizzie and I met Hannah off of TikTok. And I've been amazed with everything that they've given me.
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So I'm, you know, looking at other people's topics and I'm looking at other
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people's TikTok lives and whatnot.
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And what bothered me is not too long ago
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i ran to this one girl who was doing
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um something on stretching exercises that
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i found pretty interesting i was like oh cool because my back always hurts and
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lizzie sent me a bunch of stuff that um i was working on and i said well let
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me see what this girl's got another girl she was just doing stretching exercises
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and She obviously had clothes on.
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It's just her belly was exposed. Nothing more than that.
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And the sexual comments that were coming across from her audience was almost
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mind-blowingly sickening,
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even from someone like me, born and raised in the Bronx, New York,
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who doesn't care, and I'm all down for locker room talk.
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But this was just not the place or time for it.
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Even though she handled it well, It's still the it ruined It took away the entire
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energy Of her Livestream And I felt bad for that.
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Now, I wanted to bring this up to my two co-hosts because it's the same thing.
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I'm going to one turn it over to Lizzie because TikTok thinks that Lizzie is
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promoting smut because they took one of her Facebook, you know,
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I'm sorry, not Facebook, but her TikTok recording and made it restricted to
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18 and over because she was jumping on a bed saying, let your inner child out.
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And again, she was fully closed.
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Um, so I don't know what to make of this, but one, let me start with Lizzie.
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Lizzie, what is your feeling on this?
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Because I know you had mentioned that you don't want to be viewed or sexualized.
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Well, okay. So I did what I always do in situations with life when things throw me a curve ball.
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Cause obviously I was just jumping on the bed. I
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was having a time with my life you can't see it on camera but my one-year-old
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was jumping on her bed right next to me and so we're just having this beautiful
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moment and I share it and then like it gets restricted and I'm like what and
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first my brain goes spiraling on all the ways I'm being perceived and all the
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ways that like I meant to be perceived and did I behave and then I'm like wait.
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Okay, slow down. So then I get back on the mindset that everything works out for a reason, right?
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And so then what would be this reason? Well, what it brought up for me was a
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lot of things about how I don't want to be perceived sexually.
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Because for as a woman once you're
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perceived that way it's like you're put into a box the
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information that you have the vibe that you have anything
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you have to offer is now through this like
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specific lens which is really annoying you
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know and so anyway so this is something that
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I struggle with I don't like and
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I try to get away with away from but when
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you put yourself out there on camera in
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public the thing is is people are going to perceive you
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however they want to perceive you and you can't stop it
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that's why this lady handled it so well is because
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she's getting on there stretching she's wearing what she wants she's not done
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this isn't the first time she's done it she knows what reaction she's going
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to get she's chosen to not worry about it because it's not her business how
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other people perceive her and truthfully the more I can comprehend that, the more freedom I have.
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You know, I would love to get on TikTok and do some of the stretches and stuff
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that I do as I'm realigning my spine.
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It's making such cool energetic and physical connections and embodying.
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But it's like I hesitate on doing that because of how I will be perceived.
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It's slowing my art because of my concern
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of other people's perception of me and that's
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maybe something I would really like to look at and so
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that's that's what I did with with it well I
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appreciate that input and it means a lot I'm going to definitely go down some
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roads with this but first I want to hear from our lovely Hannah Rose Hannah
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Rose from The Sound Within I know you have a different perspective on this what is your take on this,
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Yeah, and it's not that I have a different perspective.
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It's just more so I've never really thought so much into it,
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mostly because we have been programmed to believe these things that society
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has placed upon us, especially as women, that we are supposed to be perceived a different way.
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Always supposed to be put together and have on a pretty dress,
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but not too short, but not too long,
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and have our makeup done, and be sweet and feminine and not masculine in any way.
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And so that's probably why I've never really brought my attention to it,
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more so specifically, in this stage of my life, I should say.
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Because I have been sexualized a lot in my life, not in my childhood,
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which I know a lot of people have dealt with.
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I just felt like making that known more so in my young adult years.
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And I guess even being a teen, I was sexualized by grown men,
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which is just sickening to know that that's what people like are young women with young features.
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It just kind of makes me sick because I have two daughters myself,
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and I would hate for my kids to be perceived that way at any stage of their life.
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And for me I think that
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I get not so much of I
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haven't yet been restricted for sexual content
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or anything like that but I do know that the intentional breathing that I do
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on my streams are often saw that way so not necessarily me but what I'm practicing
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and people will say things like,
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oh, my wife thought I was watching this, or my friend heard this,
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or my roommates are going to think something crazy is going on in here.
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And it kind of just puts a bad taste in my mouth that somebody would try to
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make something so freeing and beautiful and something that we do innately to live.
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Every second of our existence, we're breathing.
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And then I'm sitting for a few moments to honor that and show someone else how
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to, and it's being perceived as something nasty and sexual.
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And it's just, like I said, a dishonor to the practice.
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And a lot of the time when I am dealt things like that.
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Inside, I really am frustrated and I want to just kind of scream and say,
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no, this is not what that is. Like, what's wrong with you?
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But on the outside, I'm just like keeping my composure and also telling myself
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that I need to have compassion for the person that is saying these kind of things.
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Because this is something that has obviously been programmed into them as well.
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And what are we trying to do by self-expressing
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in this way is inspire others to also you
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know break out of that mold and so for me a
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lot of the time when I'm dealt with things like that I kind
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of just show them compassion and
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laugh it off and say hey I'm glad that you're
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here this is not what that is but I'm still glad that
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you're here and I'm glad that I could share this with you nine times
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out of ten the trolls are like wow uh
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this person looks kind to me in the face of
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negativity and usually they'll
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come back into my lives later on and say wow this is so wholesome like thank
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you for holding this space for me and it and it might just plant the seed in
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their head like maybe i shouldn't hop into people's streams looking for a reaction
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because that's a lot of I'm what it is for is a reaction.
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I can't. I'm sorry. Go ahead, Lizzie. No, you go ahead. Go ahead.
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Are you sure? Okay. Yeah, because I actually, I have a lot of things spinning
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around in my head concerning this because I could take it from a male point of view.
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Like I said, I have no problem with lock and talk.
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Do it all the time. It's not anything I think that should be,
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you know, taken away from people because I don't believe in censorship.
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I believe we should all speak freely.
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However, again, I'm going to say there's a time and a place for this.
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To bring another example, I follow someone also on TikTok who actually works with sexual magic.
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And her, she's much more classier and it's something she actually,
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and it costs a whole lot, like $3,000 for her program.
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But the thing is, she's working with sex magic. she's a burlesque dancer as
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well she takes a lot of pride in what she does.
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Then if any guy wants to
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probably reach out and see all the other stuff believe me it's out there but
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to be so desperate to go into just random feeds and start with the sexual nonsense
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from a guy's point of view, I'll tell you one thing.
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The guys that talk like that a lot are the ones who aren't even dealing with
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any of that. Never gotten any before in their life.
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That's exactly what's going on with that. Take it from me.
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But it also shows a real desperation too as well on a male's point. You know.
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Not only sometimes so much the
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sexuality, but when they're reaching out constantly out of desperation.
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Oh my God, I wish I had a girl. I'm so lonely.
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Dude, time and a place for everything. And I don't want to sound cruel or anything
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like saying I don't care. But honestly, you need to help yourself.
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Nobody's going to help you with that. Nobody's going to say, oh, I feel so bad for you.
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I'm going to go out with you now. You know, so this is why I'm on such a kind
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of rampant, you know, discussion about this, because, like I said,
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it's taking away a lot of positive energy that goes around.
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And because whoever's watches for what, you know, whatever you are doing on
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your streams, it's being taken away because it's an interference.
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You know, it's an outside interference that you got to kind of deal with.
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And like you said, yes, some people are handling it really well, and that's great.
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But there's some people that are just looking at it like, dude,
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why do we have to be so desperate?
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Why do you got to put that in every single person's feed?
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Why do you have to, you know, express yourself that way?
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Now, I'm going to go, I'm going to present a couple things. Like,
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for one, I don't think sexuality, like, if you are looking at someone,
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And you're saying, well, they're a beautiful person.
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Well, I don't think that there's anything wrong with that.
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But to come out and express it in such a negative, vile way...
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That's what's kind of bothersome. You know what I mean?
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Yeah. So I would say it's about the tone. Yes. So here's the thing.
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Bodies are their artwork. Bodies are beautiful.
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And sex is a beautiful art form.
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As somebody who's also dabbled with sex magic before, it is such a powerful and beautiful thing.
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But the more powerful something is the
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more it can be used incorrectly right
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and with sex as an energy
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form sex is almost the same as like
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creative energy as well
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as healing energy when you get down to the core those three are almost the same
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and when people want to talk about all the systems you know the powers that
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be trying to oppress us what a better way to do it than to one take away that
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power and wrap it in a bunch of shame and desperation and all of that.
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And two, separate the two types of people who can come together.
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And this isn't anything about gender, like you can be whatever gender and harness whatever energy,
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but you separate them from being able to come together in a wholesome and loving
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and just coherent way to express this and create all of this like beautiful
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energy and beautiful healing.
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And in one little fell swoop, You just wrapped it all in shame,
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separated it, quieted, made it a power struggle, and made every little tiny
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little bit about it weird.
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Now it's separated, and it's something that each person throughout their life
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has to slowly regain back that personal power that they have.
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That's my— I was just going to say that's—just to kind of add to what you were
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saying, that that's a lot of the reason that the majority of people— I'm not
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speaking for everybody,
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but I know that a lot of people experience a blockage in their sacral energy
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center, which is right below the belly button and above your no-no area.
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And so a lot of people if they're
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like breathing into that area with especially like
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with the intentional breath that I practice um people
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are thinking that that feeling that they're getting in that
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area is is always a urge to exchange sex energy and that's not always what it
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is sometimes it's just a feeling of like you said healing and creativity and
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flow which is what that energy center holds,
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power-wise.
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And so for people to create such a shameful, fearful image of tapping into that part of us...
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It really is just kind of disturbing, especially because it's how we all came to be.
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It's how our children came to be. It's how we came to be.
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And it's not something gross. But like Gary said, there's a time and place for
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it all. And read the room.
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Some people don't want to exchange sexual energy with you.
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Yeah, some things are just thoughts, you know.
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Which is okay put them on people's
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you know what are we teaching children now don't comment
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on people's bodies right like it's just unless somebody
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says hi look how sexy i am like maybe
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you don't need to point out your thoughts about their body maybe
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they don't need to know about that you know what
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i mean and it can be from like a sexual harassment uh
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mindset but also even a lot of people have body image
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issues you know I had a baby last year
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I've lost 100 pounds in like a year because I just
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gained like this crazy amount of weight with her and everybody's
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complimenting on me on how good I
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look now and it's like well I thought
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I looked good then but yeah and
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so then now you have a distorted uh way
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that you look at yourself because somebody made that one comment
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like oh yeah you look so good
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uh now it's like now now I'm
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trying to put weight back on because my clothes don't fit and
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that's annoying and you know I just don't want to have to eat 70 times
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a day to be satisfied but now I'm putting on weight and my
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brain has a thought because of years of dieting about like oh but I don't look
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as good as I did before and then I'm like what did I just like that thought
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like did I not process this like years ago but it's like the little things that
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people comment sometimes maybe you just don't need to comment on people's bodies.
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Yeah and uh both of you have made
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some really good talking points like and picked
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out a couple things like one this isn't just a male female
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thing this is could be females are doing the same thing
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to men as well yes and not
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as often but it it is done where men are sexualized I many years ago I had a
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short term relationship Based where the girl was like Worshipping the ground
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Like overly sexualizing me It was repulsive It really was,
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Then I'm just going to put this out there Because it really fits into the whole
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subject When we are making comments On people's bodies And whatever like you said,
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It's shaming it's body shaming And what not or it's just making you uncomfortable,
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whatever. But I'm going to tell you something.
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I don't know how many years ago, but this is going back to a previous marriage.
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My previous wife and I went on vacation for one week. I wish I was on vacation
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right now. Instead, I'm in my pocket.
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But anyway, we went to a nudist resort.
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And we did it just because it was one of those things we just wanted to try.
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Once you get there, the perspective of it, especially when you're first walking
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in, And everybody, even the employees and all, are just nude.
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The very first thing you realize, there is nothing sexual about it.
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It is so natural. And the one thing, after one week of looking at people of
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every shape, size, raise, no matter what it is, you see every flaw,
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every scar, everything.
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There is no shame. There is no shame anywhere.
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Nobody can judge you when you're both looking at each other completely nude.
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You can't say, oh, your clothes aren't expensive enough. Oh,
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you're not wearing the right shoes or whatever.
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And you can't say anything about a person's body because now yours is exposed
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and my flaws were exposed as well.
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And I thought it was so liberating to be in a community like that To where zero
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shame in what is just so extremely normal and natural.
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And it was just, there was the entire time there, we seen absolutely nothing
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at all sexual. Not that we were going there looking for that,
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but it puts you in a whole nother mindset.
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And after that experience, that's when I said, you know, people's bodies are their bodies.
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We own this. We own this meat bag that we are in.
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It's our souls that are inside that means more than anything else.
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No matter what we look like physically.
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Should never be judged by anybody else. That's just my, you know, standpoint.
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And that's why it just irritates me somewhat when I'm watching,
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whether it be a TikTok live or just a person in the street where they're being
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overly sexualized just because,
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well, maybe this is a social norm, which it shouldn't be.
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Maybe we should be changing that social norm.
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But for so long, I think it's been ingrained in mostly males' heads because
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let's face it, females really haven't had much as far as their voting rights and everything else.
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It's only been a short time that women were allowed to work and everything else.
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So we're still progressing with this.
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But again, it's not so much just a male-female thing.
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It goes across all genders and all types of sexual relationships.
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Bi, gay, everything else.
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Where people are just overly sexualizing normal things,
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regular things, whether they're doing it just for shock value or they're doing
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it because they're completely lonely and they have no idea what anything's about.
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I don't, you know, it's almost getting to the point, I don't know how to express
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this enough other than to have this topic on this episode, hearing it from two
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separate points of views as well as mine.
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So I just want to leave it at that and please join in with anything else you might have to add to that.
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I was actually thinking earlier about the
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topic that we were going to be covering and I was thinking I mean if it was
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up to society's norm we would you know all every woman would be in a cloak but
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but men are allowed to walk around with their shirts off and their nipples out and that's fine.
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But if a woman were to do that, like, oh my, like, how could she?
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Like, what are people going to think?
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And, you know, things like that. So it's also the double standards that we have to look at as well.
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If a woman can't walk around with her shirt off, then maybe a man shouldn't either.
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But instead of thinking like that, maybe we should just all walk around with our shirts off.
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Did you know that in countries that have the most, like, standard covering,
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the more oppressed bodies are, the higher rates of assault are?
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Like, standard, like, one-to-one, like, you can go
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across google it do your own research the more
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oppressed a person's body the more you shame a
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person's body the more it is stigmatized the more it's focused and the more
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it creates this crazy thing and so the thing is is if if people feel this way
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if they really want to change it they have to be they don't have to be on tiktok
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like that lady doing the stretches like i'm gonna get that cool one day to be able to do it.
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But you have to kind of step outside your norm.
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Me a few years ago would not wear a crop top or a sports bra and jump on my bed on the video.
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That would be inherently way too sexual of an act, right?
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But that really, again, messes with your artwork.
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And I think that you should be able to just be.
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So in 2019, I was a little bit of a functional an alcoholic and something that
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I did was I just kind of quit wearing pants.
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And when you came over to my house, it was a standard joke that if you came
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over and Lizzie had been drinking, she probably wasn't wearing pants.
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But the thing is, is we were all adults and it created an environment where
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a lot of times other people took their jeans off because I was freaking uncomfortable
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and we're all just painting. It's nothing sexual. We're not doing anything weird.
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I just didn't want to wear my pants, you know, and I created that safe space
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because it was in my own home. So I could do that.
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And I'm not saying people have to have pantsless parties, but it invited a lot
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of my friends to view their own bodies, other people's bodies, sex as a whole.
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We cover our bodies until we get old enough to start having sex.
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So why would we view bodies as anything other than inherently sexual?
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We don't have statues of naked bodies anymore in town square that we're looking
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at. You know what I mean? It is just sex.
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That's what the body is limited down to.
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And I think that that takes away a lot of experience of life.
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I, yeah. And now Lizzie, I'm going to, I'm going to put this one on to you.
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Because it's directly relating to you and I think you would have much to say about this.
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Right now, 2025, the 21st fucking century, right?
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Why do we discourage shame females for breastfeeding in public?
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Because bodies are inherently sexual. men
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okay this is a standard stereotype i mean
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all people but we'll just use men because that's kind
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of what we're angling out by accident here anyway so i'll
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just lean into it a lot of people have mother
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wounds a lot of people were taken off of the breast too early they were put
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in the bed in the other room all of these things that accidentally create separate
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separation wounds right now you get older and what happens when you have a mother
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wound and you get married you place it on,
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your wife or every other woman out there.
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There's actually a thing that they're finding in psychology where when you get
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married or have a baby or whatever,
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and you start viewing your spouse and they become a different person,
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it actually causes a repulsive reaction in a lot of people who have mother wounds
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and they have to mentally process their mother wound in order to re-find their spouse attractive.
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And so there's all these things that are going on on this subconscious subconscious
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behind the scenes level in people's brains.
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But all they feel is they see a boob and they go, that's sexual and a baby,
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and that doesn't belong together.
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Oh my God, why are you presenting me with this horrible thing?
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When the lady's just trying to feed her baby, like you're the one making it weird.
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But when we have a culture where she's the
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weird one because bodies are sexual first everything
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else is second and she's the problem this
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stereotype perpetuates so I
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breastfeed and I've always breastfed in the open
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my family I just they all breastfed it was
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just kind of a thing they were a lot more covering with it
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but I was around because I was the girl and so
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I saw it so much so when I started breastfeeding I just did it
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openly and you know honestly i've never
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gotten a reaction on that one surprisingly the
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i see all the time on social media and stuff
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and maybe it's like where i live or maybe
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it's just my inherent reaction about it but like
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it's people just don't care as much as maybe in some other places well that's
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good actually that that's showing some signs of improvement because i said i
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can't believe that there's that is such an issue because we'll sit and look
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at any other mammal in a zoo And we'll watch them feeding their young and all.
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But when it comes to our own bodies, our own human cells, suddenly it's an issue.
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I just never understood that.
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But I appreciate your input on that. It really takes it from a whole other perspective.
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But I just want to, like I said, wanted to get this topic out there.
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Because it is something that is becoming, I think, a little bit more frustrating
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now from a human perspective.
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We can no longer just be ourselves without somebody else perceiving us in another way.
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And I want to take this down another angle because I spoke to Hannah about this
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earlier and I know there's something else when it comes to your feeds and what
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you're doing on your tick tock lives.
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The thing that was bothering you most is some of the comments that really were
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hurtful as far as, um, well, I'll let you explain it, Hannah.
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Okay. Yeah, there's been a couple, see, And I feel very...
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I feel very good about the kind of audience that I have on my streams.
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I say it all the time because I don't get as many weird comments as I would
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have thought that I would be getting.
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Like when I started this, I thought that I would get a lot more of what we've been discussing today.
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But the amount of support and love that is spread in my streams,
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not just between me and the viewers,
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but between the viewers themselves, too, like creating a community within the
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stream and making connections, which is really why I do what I do.
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Is for the connection and building community.
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But every now and again, I'll get some comments.
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Somebody once told me that I was lazy because I said that I normally take my
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kids to school and then I come home and take a nap after.
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And they say that's what I call lazy. And it's just like,
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That's just another society ideal,
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that we're all supposed to be working nine to five jobs and not have time for
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pleasure and enjoyment.
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Well, also be a sex object for the men in your life, you know?
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Yeah, exactly. Yeah, that too, because that's like the expectation of a woman, typically.
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Uh so for me
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a lot of the time when people
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say things like that it just throws me back you know
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because I I see a lot more people today in today's age stepping out of that
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norm and like kind of breaking free from it and a lot of people are are starting
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their own businesses and just following their passion.
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Even if it doesn't pay all the bills, people are just taking that leap.
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And I think eventually, if we all take that leap together, we can just form
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a new type of society and community amongst all of us humans,
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not just one part of the world.
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But I also get comments sometimes, um.
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Like asking if I showered because it's like people, you know,
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people think of a hippie and they normally think that like we don't shower and stuff like that.
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I only shave my armpits and my legs maybe what, like once a month.
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And it's with an electric shaver.
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And I'm going to be honest, when I was a bit younger, I would shave every time
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I got in the shower to make sure that there was not even a hair on my body.
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Like because that's seen as gross and disgusting but it's not it's our bodies
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this is this is the true raw version
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of me i'm not gonna dishonor it by taking a hacksaw to it every day,
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and um i think sometimes people are just so caught up in what a woman is supposed
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to be like what a person is supposed to be like.
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And again, we're not meant to be born into this world.
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Just to feel shame and fear every
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day of our lives and conform to
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the robot herd that we've
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been made into i don't really even have the
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words to explain what i'm trying to to give
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off right now because it's just so unbelievable
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i guess how humans are
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viewed how we came to view each other
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animals don't wear clothes animals just run free and do their own thing they're
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not working nine to five jobs in an office with glasses on like if they're blind
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they're blind they're just running through the woods trying to catch their prey
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so i think we just need to take a little um.
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A little advice from the wild animals of the world. No, I totally agree.
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I actually have kind of a funny story for that. So as a massage therapist,
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I used to trade with other people at the job that I worked at.
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And one time I just was busy. I just hadn't shaved my legs or armpits.
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But we're massage therapists.
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We touch bodies all the time. It's not like a big deal, right?
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But like she shamed me about it behind my back in the break room to my co-workers.
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And I got so upset about that I
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had this like utter refusal of shaving
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my body for the next several months and I was gonna go back
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there and she was gonna have to rub my hairy legs oh my
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god I'm gonna have to braid them now
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I know no I calm down obviously
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because I'm not really a spiteful person it's just kind of
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my reaction sometimes but what happened was
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because I wasn't shaving now all the people in
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my family are like are you okay like well I've never
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seen armpit hair on you and it was like and you
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know I'd get comments from people I won't say who said this although
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I tease him about it but he basically told me I'd never get a man like that
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and he meant it so lovingly like trying to help me here you know it's this poor
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single mom right and I was just like well maybe if my armpit hair stopped me
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from getting a man maybe that's not the kind of man that I'd want to be with.
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And that's why I have armpit hair. Maybe I want to scare the men away because we're terrified.
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That's what I'm saying. So there was this like look across this face and I was
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watching everybody happening to face this part of themselves they never even
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considered as they're all also shaving every day.
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My hairy armpits, my hairy legs became like this rebellious act of feminism
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that I didn't mean it to be.
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But now I'm, I think, four years into it And I can't shave my armpits now.
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It's like I'm too far deep into it.
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This is actually not dishonoring our feminine features, but honoring them and
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not feeling shame around a normal thing, body.
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I guess rebelling against the wounded feminine.
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Yes. Because the divine feminine is her. You know what?
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She gets hair on her chin because of the hormone changes of the phase in her life she's in.
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You know what I mean? and we're all still plucking everything and
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trying to pretend we don't also grow five o'clock shadows
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sometimes you know yeah just like
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don't look at my stretch marks don't look at any of these things that
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naturally occur and you know as a massage therapist I do have a unique perspective
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because everybody wants to apologize about their bodies because of the weight
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they have the cellulite people will point out their flaws to me because they
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want it known that they're aware of this flaw they have.
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But it's like if 40% of the women in your age range who are on my table have this flaw, is it a flaw?
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Or is that just part of a human body? Yeah, that makes perfect sense.
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And you know, I'm going to throw this huge monkey wrench into this.
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I shave my fucking underarms. I shave my body hair.
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And all I'm going to do is I grow hair every fucking place except on my head.
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So I always thought, hey, maybe if I shave everywhere else, it'll start moving up to my head.
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But this is the thing. Who cares what anybody does? It's their personal choice on that.
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You feel comfortable with it. If it's something that makes you feel better.
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Then I don't think there's any shame in that.
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The reason why I don't is because it's less work for me. I don't have to do that chore all the time.
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For you, Gary, you probably feel more comfortable, you know,
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not having that body hair, you know, where you shave it, your armpits and whatnot.
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And there's no shame in
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that because we're all like you said earlier we're a
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meat bag which I don't really like that term it's
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kind of sounds just like nasty to
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me but I would more so say vessel and
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so like if we can't feel safe
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in where our souls are resting our you
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know our vessel then why are
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you know why why are we here we we
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have to feel comfortable to an extent so that we
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can live a content and comfortable life but a
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lot of people aren't comfortable in their own bodies i a lot of the time am
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not comfortable in my own body and i think that's an issue that probably every
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person possibly has at times not everyone feels zen 24 7 even the,
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most wise spiritual teacher is going to still experience human emotions and feelings.
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Yeah. Go ahead, Lizzie.
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I was just going to say, and I think that that's a lot of it is we kind of energetically
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step out of our bodies with these emotions, the way we feel about our bodies,
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the way we feel about the sensations in our bodies. We kind of disassociate.
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Something that I do when I'm working with people energetically is I'll tell
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them to stand in the bathroom naked in front of the mirror and just look at
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themselves for 60 seconds, letting their thoughts think whatever they think.
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And you you would not believe
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most of the people I try to give this practice to will
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not do it and we have to go a roundabout way through journaling
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and it takes forever to process these things they feel about themselves because
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they can't simply just look at their body that is too much of an experience
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for them and I think that says a lot about how they feel about their vessel
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they're moving their soul around.
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And if you feel that way about your body, even when you cover it,
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how are you moving through life and interacting with these other people wrapped
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in all of that shame? It really, really affects people a lot more than they
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realize. They just, I want to lose weight.
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And that's all that they can focus on when it's all this shame and stuff underneath it.
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I've gained and lost so much weight
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in my life and it's never actually affected how I felt about my body.
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Even when I've lost weight, any shame I had, it was still there.
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It was a completely separate processing of it to get rid of that.
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And I just, I wish people could kind of just love themselves more.
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That's beautiful. And not only that, but with the thought,
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you know, what you're talking about is just looking in the mirror and, and
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thinking any thought that comes up and just
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allowing it to happen instead of just
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a lot of people include me myself
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included if something comes up that I'll try
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to swallow it but then you're hanging on to that and carrying it with you everywhere
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you go every time you look in the mirror now you're gonna think that but if
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you just really look at yourself and face yourself and allow and know that your
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logical mind is there to create thoughts and scenarios and all of these different.
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Options, you know, that could happen. So not every thought that you think is
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what you really feel about yourself. It's just a thought.
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So if you take away that power that it has over you by speaking it and saying
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it and just releasing that, I think a lot of people can feel some relief from that.
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Yeah. The thing is, is before you can love something, you have to accept something.
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I tried the body positivity.
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When I first was presented this exercise, what I was told was to stand in front
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of the mirror and look for three things you love about yourself.
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Well, guess what? I couldn't think of one goddamn thing. How was that supposed
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to be a helpful experience for me?
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But years later, something I came across was like, okay, you can't love your
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body, but can you accept it?
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And I was like, you know what? I can't accept my wrinkly belly.
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I can't accept my frizzy hair.
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I can't accept my weird lazy eye that happens when
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I chew things you know what I mean I can just accept these
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things about myself and then this like crazy thing happened where when I accepted
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it and I started moving my body because I was no longer fighting on what it
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looked like when it jiggled I actually did accidentally start to love my body
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and my wrinkly belly like I love my wrinkly belly.
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What a cool design that I get to wear out in the world.
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Like your belly is so boring. Like does it even wrinkle?
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Those women that actually get like glitter on their stretch marks so it looks like a tiger.
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I would do that. And fake it till you make it.
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You know, just like keep telling yourself that you love yourself. You're powerful.
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You're beautiful in your body. Yes.
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And if that is painful, just accept where you're at.
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I don't like what I look like. Just saying that to yourself for a minute makes it so that when you say,
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I actually do like the way that this looks about me.
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It doesn't feel like it's like disrupting your entire system.
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It can just kind of like bridge you into something, you know?
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Ladies, this has been an incredible conversation. Honestly, it really has.
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And the only reason I'm cutting it down is because I don't know if it's my internet,
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but it's starting to freeze up and I don't want the audience to lose out on
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anything that you guys are saying because everything both of you had said at
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this point, I have to thank you.
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And I want the audience to really thank you both too for being so extremely
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open and brave, talking about something so personal, which is our own skin,
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our own bodies, our own vessels,
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our own meatbags, whatever we want to make it out to be.
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I want to thank you both, seriously, from the bottom of my heart.
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And I want everybody to tune in to Hannah Rose every Friday,
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The Sound Within a fantastic podcast tune in to all of our other podcasters
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that are out there I do apologize for sitting in my car for this one but hey,
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I think it worked out beautifully,
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this was such a great conversation Lizzie, Hannah, thank you both so very much
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and thank you the audience for tuning in for this and if you want to reach out
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to any of us Just contact EOSmeditation at gmail.com.
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Ask whatever you want. Leave whatever comments. And if you want to speak directly
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to Lizzie or to Hannah Rose, let me know, and I'll get you in contact with them
45:53
too as well. So I thank you all so very much.
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I hope my internet worked perfectly for everybody.
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So thank you again so very much, and we'll see you soon.