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Body Bags With Joseph Scott Morgan: Hospital Hides Body In Warehouse While Mom Searches For Missing Daughter · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Quody Dinas, but Joseph's gotten more. I don't know of
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Speaker 1: too many people that would want to be admitted to
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Speaker 1: the hospital if they, you know, if they had their way.
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Speaker 1: In a perfect world, it's it's certainly not a place
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Speaker 1: where you go to rest, because if that's what you're
0:24
Speaker 1: looking for rest, that is, you know, go buy an
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Speaker 1: airplane ticket, go some isolated location and rest there, or
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Speaker 1: just stay at home. Hospitals are one of these places
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Speaker 1: that's like a beehive. I've worked in them, I've always
0:43
Speaker 1: thought of them that way. You've got worker bees that
0:45
Speaker 1: are scurrying all over the place. They have these very
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Speaker 1: specific jobs that they do, and everybody's important. It doesn't
0:53
Speaker 1: matter if you're the chief of neurosurgery or you're the janitor.
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Speaker 1: Everybody has a job, and if it breaks down, then
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Speaker 1: everything else begins to erode. Well, just like any other
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Speaker 1: kind of I don't know, organization, there are problems that arise,
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Speaker 1: things that you can't necessarily foresee. Most of the time,
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Speaker 1: the focus in the hospital is taking care of those
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Speaker 1: that are ill, taking care of those who are on
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Speaker 1: death doorstep and brought back. But there's another responsibility that
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Speaker 1: hospitals have and that is to take care of the
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Speaker 1: dead and their families. Today, we're going to discuss a
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Speaker 1: case that is shocking iking for a lot of reasons,
2:03
Speaker 1: but namely, a patient walks into a hospital to receive
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Speaker 1: treatment and it's not seen again until her body is
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Speaker 1: discovered in long term storage. I'm Joseph Scott Morgan and
2:20
Speaker 1: this is Bodybacks, Dave. I've worked in hospitals that have
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Speaker 1: really bad morgs, and I've worked in them that have
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Speaker 1: state of the art morks. And that's in addition to
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Speaker 1: the work that I've done with corners and medical examiners.
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Speaker 1: I've never told you this, but I don't think at least,
2:43
Speaker 1: but I used to work as a side job. I
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Speaker 1: worked for private pathology groups where hospital pathologists don't like
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Speaker 1: to do autopsy. So I would go to the hospital
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Speaker 1: and I think they were like in the group, the
3:01
Speaker 1: group that I worked with in Atlanta, they serviced like
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Speaker 1: seven different hospitals. So I travel all over the metro
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Speaker 1: area Atlanta and go assistant autopsies and it was I
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Speaker 1: enjoyed it. I enjoyed doing autopsies, but the doctor would
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Speaker 1: just ask me, well, what were your findings, and they
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Speaker 1: might not ever walk into the morgue, and it varied
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Speaker 1: from doctor to doctor. So I've seen a lot of
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Speaker 1: a lot of the good and the bad. You know,
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Speaker 1: when you're in a morgue, you've got a cooler, maybe
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Speaker 1: a couple of coolers, and you're having to handle the
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Speaker 1: body by yourself, if you can imagine. I think that's
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Speaker 1: one of the reasons my back is run.
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Speaker 2: Now, that's where the term dead weight comes from.
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Speaker 1: It is it is, and it is dead weight. But
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Speaker 1: you know, you see all kinds of things. Really, you
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Speaker 1: talk about getting into the guts operationally of a hospital
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Speaker 1: that's born out in the way the morgue is run
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Speaker 1: and the way the morgue is handled, because I think
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Speaker 1: that it's indicative of the way a lot of other
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Speaker 1: things in the hospital are handled. Because you know, let's
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Speaker 1: face it, if you cannot, if you cannot respect the dead,
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Speaker 1: that's a real baseline kind of thing. If you cannot,
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Speaker 1: you know, how are you treating the living? You know,
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Speaker 1: because the dead people might not agree with this, but
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Speaker 1: the dead are the most helpless among us, right, They're
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Speaker 1: totally dependent upon us and by extension, their families too.
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Speaker 2: But you know, one of the things in a funeral
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Speaker 2: home is the you cannot leave a body alone in
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Speaker 2: the funeral home because if something happens, if there's a fire,
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Speaker 2: somebody has to be there to get the body or
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Speaker 2: bodies out of the funeral home. Now, I don't know
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Speaker 2: if that's still a law. In this case. We are
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Speaker 2: dealing with a thirty one year old, very accomplished woman.
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Speaker 2: She is a prosecuting attorney, and she has some medical
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Speaker 2: issues if she's diabetic and some other things. She had
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Speaker 2: had an infection in her foot one time and had
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Speaker 2: surgery on it, but going to the hospital is not
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Speaker 2: something she does on a regular basis. However, she did
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Speaker 2: find herself in a diabetic situation where she goes to
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Speaker 2: the hospital. But after two days she calls her mom, Hey,
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Speaker 2: come and get me. I need to get out of here.
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Speaker 2: Now there's a little blurriness as to what transpired at
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Speaker 2: this point with Jesse Peterson, but no matter how it happens.
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Speaker 2: At twoint thirty, she on April the eighth, she calls
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Speaker 2: her mom, would you come and get me at the hospital?
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Speaker 2: All right, Jesse, I'm away. When mom arrives around four
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Speaker 2: thirty or so, Jesse's not there. Where's my daughter. What
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Speaker 2: are you talking about? She checked herself out and left.
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Speaker 2: They actually tell her that I talked to my daughter
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Speaker 2: two hours ago. She said she was leaving. Where is she?
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Speaker 2: She checked herself out and left. Now Mom immediately starts
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Speaker 2: looking for her, because why would the hospital tell her
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Speaker 2: something wrong. You know, she can't find her, calling friends,
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Speaker 2: calling family, checking around, can't find her anywhere. She was
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Speaker 2: in the hospital, checked herself out, and now she's missing.
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Speaker 1: Joe.
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Speaker 2: They actually look for her, and then they do this
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Speaker 2: standard turn her in as a missing person. She's an adult.
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Speaker 2: Here's the problem. We've gone to this before. She's a
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Speaker 2: thirty one year old, accomplished adult. She has the right
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Speaker 2: to be to disappear herself as she wants to. It
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Speaker 2: might not be what we'd want for her, but that's
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Speaker 2: what we say happened. So there you go. For a year.
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Speaker 2: Joseph Scott Morgan. For a year, the family is looking
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Speaker 2: for a year. They're calling the police for updates. For
6:44
Speaker 2: a year. They're organizing people to go out and look.
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Speaker 2: For a year. They are talking to homeless people, and
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Speaker 2: they mentioned this in some of the stories I've heard.
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Speaker 2: They went to the roughest sections of town. To find
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Speaker 2: out if maybe somehow she had a psychological break with
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Speaker 2: reality and is lost among the homeless population. And they
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Speaker 2: went there in the hours of the night when most
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Speaker 2: of us are sound asleep. They went into those areas
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Speaker 2: just at the thought that their daughter, their cousin, their
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Speaker 2: sisters would be there. And for a year they didn't
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Speaker 2: know Joe because the hospital said she checked herself out
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Speaker 2: and left.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, how what a horrible set of circumstances. Particularly, you know,
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Speaker 1: this is one of the things that you know, I
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Speaker 1: think people make a sport of this comment sometimes, but
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Speaker 1: there are instances where where people will say things like, well,
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Speaker 1: we need to find them because they've got medical problems,
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Speaker 1: you know, and that might be a ruse or whatever
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Speaker 1: the case might be, just try to get their hands
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Speaker 1: on the person. That's the case here, you know, with
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Speaker 1: with miss Peterson, she she had been and she was ten, dave,
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Speaker 1: she'd been diagnosed with type one diabetes.
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Speaker 2: And just give us a breakdown of what Yeah, okay.
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Speaker 1: Well i'll tell you. I'll tell you specifically. In other words,
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Speaker 1: her pancreas would not produce insulin period, all right, And
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Speaker 1: that's at a baseline. We have to have insulin in
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Speaker 1: order to survive and her pancreas for whatever reason, whether
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Speaker 1: it's a genetic predisposition, whatever it is, when she was ten.
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Speaker 1: You know, she's diagnosed with this condition, and there are
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Speaker 1: all kinds of peripheral medical problems that come along with us.
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Speaker 1: You had mentioned the surgical intervention for her foot. It's
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Speaker 1: one thing if you injure your foot, If you don't
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Speaker 1: have diabetes, okay, but you injure your foot and maybe
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Speaker 1: you've got an open wound. Well, the next thing you know,
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Speaker 1: you've got a doctor looking at you saying, we're gonna
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Speaker 1: have to amputate your foot, all right, and the vessels
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Speaker 1: begin to collapse. There's cardiovascular problems that come about. Uh,
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Speaker 1: there's a real diminishment many times the body on I've
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Speaker 1: heard I heard one person describe it at one point
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Speaker 1: in time as if the body almost tries to digest itself,
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Speaker 1: you know, and so they Many times, if you're not
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Speaker 1: real vital, you're not on top of it. This condition,
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Speaker 1: it it gives you this kind of very wasting appearance,
9:34
Speaker 1: you know, uh, drawn thin. Many times you have to
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Speaker 1: be really on top of the circumstances relative to your
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Speaker 1: own personal health. I've got a number of friends that
9:45
Speaker 1: have type one diabetes and they actually have insulin pumps
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Speaker 1: that you know, are attached to a belt loop or whatever,
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Speaker 1: and you'll see them every now and then, you know,
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Speaker 1: and they're they have sensors, you know, that can give
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Speaker 1: them an indication and when they're out of balance, and
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Speaker 1: they have to be very careful about what they ingest.
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Speaker 1: You know. It's there are a lot of people that
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Speaker 1: have type two diabetes or have the precursors, you know,
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Speaker 1: those sorts of things. They'll still eat like they want.
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Speaker 1: They can get a bump of insulin from an injection
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Speaker 1: or however it is that they receive it, and it'll
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Speaker 1: put them back on balance. That's not the case with
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Speaker 1: type one. Some people refer to it as juvenile diabetes
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Speaker 1: because it's something that you develop when you're young. There
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Speaker 1: are people that are adults that develop Type one, but
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Speaker 1: for the most part, and she fits right in that bracket,
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Speaker 1: doesn't she She's ten years old, David. This is something
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Speaker 1: going back to the family in this case. This is
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Speaker 1: something that her mother, God bless her. I saw an interview.
10:42
Speaker 1: I was watching an interview with mom. This is a
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Speaker 1: fight they've been fighting together her entire life, and it
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Speaker 1: sounds like they were very close.
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Speaker 2: Mom and daughter were.
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Speaker 1: I mean, she's calling her mom to come pick me up,
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Speaker 1: you know, from the hospital, and this is a fight
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Speaker 1: they've been fighting for a long time. And now the
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Speaker 1: daughter checks into the hospital for what has been described
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Speaker 1: as a diabetic event, because sometimes it gets so bad
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Speaker 1: that you need to have around the clock monitoring, you know,
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Speaker 1: check your sugars and all these sorts of things. And
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Speaker 1: she had had enough. I mean, like many of us,
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Speaker 1: you know, you go to the hospital. You know, after
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Speaker 1: a few days, it's like I think, I'm and this
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Speaker 1: is a person that would really know her body.
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Speaker 2: You know, this is not an idiot, Joe. This is
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Speaker 2: no very accomplished woman. Very much that you pointed this out,
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Speaker 2: I understand so much better because I did have some
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Speaker 2: questions in my head as to what was going on.
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Speaker 2: So she had been in the hospital a couple of
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Speaker 2: months earlier, in January with she did have a diabetic event,
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Speaker 2: and I mentioned a few minutes ago she did have surgery,
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Speaker 2: you know, year prior. But by the time it rolls
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Speaker 2: around here and mom is coming to get her at
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Speaker 2: the hospital, she knows her body. She's had her filla
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Speaker 2: bey in the hospital and she's leaving. Okay, I get
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Speaker 2: that now, I understand, But I don't understand how mom
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Speaker 2: shows up and they give her the she checked herself out.
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Speaker 2: We don't know where she is. I mean, why would
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Speaker 2: we know she left on her own against doctor advice?
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Speaker 1: Yeah, and when that's an interesting thing because this is
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Speaker 1: what's commonly referred to as AMA. And for those of
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Speaker 1: you that have never been in a hospital environment, or
12:46
Speaker 1: maybe it's a situation in your own life where you
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Speaker 1: have you've had all you can stand, you don't feel
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Speaker 1: like you're receiving the treatments you want, or the treatment
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Speaker 1: is so horrible you're like, look, anything is better than this.
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Speaker 1: I'm checking myself out. And what they will ask you
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Speaker 1: to do is they will ask you to sign a
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Speaker 1: paper that says I'm leaving against medical advice or that AMA.
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Speaker 1: They're saying, look, you need to stay here for your
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Speaker 1: own good. And I can assume that she was probably
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Speaker 1: being followed by a team of physicians. Certainly, you know
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Speaker 1: nowadays it's hard to find when you go to hospital.
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Speaker 1: They're populated by what are called hospitalists now, and hospitalists
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Speaker 1: are It's not like the old days where you would
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Speaker 1: have your own personal physician and they would have privileges
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Speaker 1: at the hospital, and I guess they still do have privileges,
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Speaker 1: but you're going to be treated by what's referred to
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Speaker 1: as a hospitalist, and they're like all things to all people.
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Speaker 1: They're supposed to manage the healthcare of the individual that
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Speaker 1: is an endpatient, and they'll be called up to ICU,
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Speaker 1: they'll be called, you know, perhaps to the adolescent war
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Speaker 1: If somebody has got their post surgical and they're in
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Speaker 1: the hospital, that doctor is physically what they're referred to
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Speaker 1: as being in the house, and the hospital actually pays them.
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Speaker 1: Some people are fans of this, some or not. I've
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Speaker 1: heard both sides of it over the years, because you don't,
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Speaker 1: you know, it's one thing, and plus people get used
14:26
Speaker 1: to having their own doctor. You know. The best doctor
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Speaker 1: I ever had was this guy that was he's now
14:32
Speaker 1: retired Dave. He could treat just about anything, and he
14:36
Speaker 1: was an old country doctor and the kind that you
14:40
Speaker 1: know would give it to you straight. You need to
14:43
Speaker 1: stop eating like you're eating, or we're going to do
14:46
Speaker 1: this for you, or this is the advice. Or my
14:49
Speaker 1: friend over here is a great specialist. I'm going to
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Speaker 1: say those those people don't exist so much as they
14:55
Speaker 1: used to, I don't think, in my opinion, but she
14:58
Speaker 1: would have been followed probably by I hope, by an intercarnologist,
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Speaker 1: who an intercarnologist is an individual, and she would have
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Speaker 1: had to have had one on the outside that's following
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Speaker 1: her specifically for the treatment of her type one diabetes.
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Speaker 1: But I know this. You're talking about a woman, Jesse
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Speaker 1: Murray Peterson, who had a great relationship we believe, with
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Speaker 1: her mother, a great relationship with her sisters, and all
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Speaker 1: of a sudden she just walks away from it all
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Speaker 1: a life that she had built, a life that she
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Speaker 1: had struggled to form in spite of type one diabetes.
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Speaker 1: Let's you know my thought about this, Dave. You know,
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Speaker 1: after you know, doing these this reading about this case
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Speaker 1: is so bizarre. Again, this is one of these cases
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Speaker 1: that didn't really you know, it didn't hop up on
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Speaker 1: my radar. It just kind of appeared. I think it
16:17
Speaker 1: was actually where I saw it was actually a People
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Speaker 1: of All Things People magazine article. They still call themselves
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Speaker 1: a magazine. I'm not sure, but.
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Speaker 2: I will tell you I've noted it when we when
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Speaker 2: I've seen information I've noted people magazine, and I'm like,
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Speaker 2: I don't think it's right, but yeah, yeah, but you
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Speaker 2: know why we saw this, It's the same reason we
16:36
Speaker 2: saw the one about the Satanist ear eater. A lawsuit
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Speaker 2: was filed.
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Speaker 1: A lawsuit has been filed in this case as well.
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Speaker 1: I think that you know, there are a lot of
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Speaker 1: frivolous lawsuits out there, buddy, this ain't frivolous. This is
16:51
Speaker 1: this is something that yeah, I think that this is
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Speaker 1: certainly justified. But you know, she's this is taking place
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Speaker 1: in uh In, California, up in Carmichael, California, and kind
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Speaker 1: of set in the stage here. Jesse had previously been
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Speaker 1: a prosecutor in Placer County, California. Now this is far
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Speaker 1: northern California. I've never been able to really understand how,
17:20
Speaker 1: you know, Californians divide the state up. You know, they're
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Speaker 1: very sectional. But this is near the Nevada border, or
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Speaker 1: Placer County is near the Nevada border where she was
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Speaker 1: a prosecutor. Mountainous terrain, probably very very beautiful high desert
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Speaker 1: maybe in some of those locations up there. But to
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Speaker 1: that point she had had all she could stand. She
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Speaker 1: had been admitted back on April the sixth, twenty three,
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Speaker 1: and I think that it was like at two thirty
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Speaker 1: in the afternoon on the eighth, she says, you know,
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Speaker 1: I'm going to call Mama and have her come pick
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Speaker 1: me up. I've had all that I can stand.
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Speaker 2: At the point, you pointed out something Joe about her
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Speaker 2: being diagnosed with type one diabetes as a ten year old,
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Speaker 2: and we're talking about somebody who has lived with diabetes
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Speaker 2: for twenty one years and has been hospitalized for diabetic
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Speaker 2: events in the past. So she has a much better
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Speaker 2: understanding of her body and what's working and what's not
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Speaker 2: than I would have, I think. And she calls her
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Speaker 2: mom at two thirty. Mom arrives two hours later, and
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Speaker 2: I need to pay attention to this. At four twenty
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Speaker 2: seven pm, Jesse Peterson was pronounced dead at the hospital.
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Speaker 2: Now her mother is arriving to take her home. Jesse
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Speaker 2: has called her at two thirty, Come get me mom
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Speaker 2: out of here. When she arrives, Jesse's mother is told
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Speaker 2: she signed herself out and left against medical advice Ama,
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Speaker 2: as you mentioned. But at four twenty seven pm, she
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Speaker 2: had been pronounced dead.
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Speaker 1: So gim me just hang on, hang on one second,
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Speaker 1: just so I can get this right in my mind. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: good luck. Gim me. Can you give me the time
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Speaker 1: frame here again? From are we talking literally two hours
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Speaker 1: from the moment? Is it roughly two hours from the
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Speaker 1: moment she called mama And then you're saying that she's
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Speaker 1: pronounced dead at this point in tom and Mama shows
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Speaker 1: up and she's being told Ama.
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Speaker 2: Right, that's exactly what happened. I know it sounds messed up,
19:48
Speaker 2: but that is exactly what happened. Okay, two thirty phone call,
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Speaker 2: come get me. Mom gets herself together, you know, and
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Speaker 2: comes to get her at the hospital. She arrives sometime
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Speaker 2: around after four point thirty in the afternoon. We don't
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Speaker 2: know exactly what time she arrived at the hospital. We
20:06
Speaker 2: do know it was about approximately two hours after the
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Speaker 2: phone call, and we know that Jesse was already dead
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Speaker 2: according to the hospital.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, let me tell you something real quick about about
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Speaker 1: the set of circumstances. This is not like you've got
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Speaker 1: somebody that has got, say, for instance, Lord bless them,
20:29
Speaker 1: but a terminal illness where everybody's gathered around their deathbed,
20:33
Speaker 1: as it were, and you know, folks are saying their
20:36
Speaker 1: goodbyes and all those sorts of things that come along
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Speaker 1: with those unfortunate circumstances where you know, we lose loved ones.
20:45
Speaker 1: They were talking about a woman who is verbal. Okay,
20:50
Speaker 1: it's not like she's on ICU with you know, feeding
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Speaker 1: to or she's on event you know where she can't.
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Speaker 1: We're talking about someone that has just called her mother. Dave,
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Speaker 1: Can I tell you what's going to happen with somebody
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Speaker 1: like her?
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Speaker 2: Because I can't figure it out, Joe, it's hard.
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Speaker 1: Let me, well, let me just kind of let me
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Speaker 1: kind of lay out the space and time, okay, because
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Speaker 1: this is something that would be so so documented to
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Speaker 1: the nth degree traditionally, because they would have had to
21:34
Speaker 1: what's referred to as running a code on her. Now,
21:37
Speaker 1: I know that people have seen movies and these sorts
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Speaker 1: of things where you know you'll have like traditionally, the old,
21:45
Speaker 1: the old way of doing things was when you're in
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Speaker 1: the hospital. If you ever heard the term code blue,
21:55
Speaker 1: and this is I don't know that it's worldwide, it
21:58
Speaker 1: was certainly nationwide. You know when you heard code blue,
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Speaker 1: anybody that was that was certified in advanced life support,
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Speaker 1: which is a course that you have to go through.
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Speaker 1: Doctors go through it, nurses go through it, everybody that
22:19
Speaker 1: is part of a team to try to keep somebody alive.
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Speaker 1: And this is advanced resuscitation essentially, is what they're We're
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Speaker 1: going far beyond here just doing chess compressions, Okay, we're
22:29
Speaker 1: talking about pushing drugs and you know, using the paddles
22:32
Speaker 1: and doing all this sort of thing. When that call
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Speaker 1: goes out, however it's coded at the hospital, you would
22:40
Speaker 1: have a flurry of activity where these people are rushing
22:45
Speaker 1: to this location and depend upon where she is, there
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Speaker 1: would be a crash cart. And the reason I'm telling
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Speaker 1: you this is that this thing is so documented. These
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Speaker 1: events are so very documented because there are doctor's notes,
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Speaker 1: nurses notes. If they've got respiratory team there, their notes
23:05
Speaker 1: are there. And then you've got somebody that is generally
23:10
Speaker 1: it's going to be a nurse that's responsible for that
23:13
Speaker 1: crash cart. The crash cart is locked down and so
23:16
Speaker 1: it's got certain drugs in it that have to be
23:19
Speaker 1: administered and then it has to be replenished because you
23:21
Speaker 1: don't know when the next the next code is going
23:24
Speaker 1: to be, so all You've got all of this documentation
23:28
Speaker 1: that's taking place, and Mama shows up within a two
23:34
Speaker 1: hour window and she doesn't. They're saying she's left Ama.
23:41
Speaker 1: This is not like some patient with dementia or something
23:47
Speaker 1: that's just wandered off the campus of the hospital. We're
23:50
Speaker 1: talking about a young woman who had had a conversation
23:54
Speaker 1: that requested her mother to come and pick her up,
23:58
Speaker 1: and then all of a sudden, she vanishes into thin air.
24:04
Speaker 1: She's no longer there. I gotta tell you, you know,
24:11
Speaker 1: I'm not trying to bury the lead here, but I
24:13
Speaker 1: got to tell you if just say, for instance, someone
24:17
Speaker 1: in a similar case, we're so inclined to file a
24:21
Speaker 1: lawsuit about this. There is so much documentation that is
24:25
Speaker 1: going to back up the activities of those individuals that
24:30
Speaker 1: were involved in this, because it's almost like it's almost
24:35
Speaker 1: if you've ever been to a play. Okay, like just
24:38
Speaker 1: think of the most meticulously planned play that you've ever
24:43
Speaker 1: sat in that and you're thinking, how in the world
24:45
Speaker 1: they do that. This is like everyone on these teams
24:50
Speaker 1: knows their job, and they have specific marks they have
24:54
Speaker 1: to hit at specific times in order to facilitate the
24:58
Speaker 1: most important thing in and that's preservation of life. And
25:03
Speaker 1: it is so meticulously documented, David. That's why it baffles
25:10
Speaker 1: me that anyone would put forth the idea that, yeah,
25:16
Speaker 1: she's she's AMA. She walked out of the hospital. You know,
25:21
Speaker 1: I don't know she got in a cab or called
25:23
Speaker 1: an uber or whatever the case might be, a horse
25:26
Speaker 1: drawne carriage. I have no idea, but she's AMA. She
25:31
Speaker 1: signed herself out, she's gone. Really, you know, you're the mom.
25:34
Speaker 1: You're thinking really, And I just.
25:38
Speaker 2: Talked to her two hours ago. She told me to
25:41
Speaker 2: come and get her. That's why I'm here. Now you're
25:42
Speaker 2: saying she left.
25:46
Speaker 1: It makes no sense.
25:47
Speaker 2: No, it boggles the mind, Joe.
25:49
Speaker 1: But here's can I throw in one more thing here,
25:52
Speaker 1: because if we're assuming that they're not using I'm assuming
25:56
Speaker 1: not you. I don't want to throw you into the
25:58
Speaker 1: same kettle of fish with me, but I'm assuming that
26:04
Speaker 1: talk about documentation, these phone calls that were made were
26:09
Speaker 1: probably done over cellular devices. Those are markers in time,
26:15
Speaker 1: you know, you know, when when this all comes down,
26:19
Speaker 1: you know, because this is a lawsuit, they're going to
26:22
Speaker 1: pull those records and they're going to say, you know, ma'am,
26:25
Speaker 1: we understand that you called your daughter at approximately this time.
26:29
Speaker 1: We've pulled these records. By the way, here can you
26:32
Speaker 1: show us approximately you know when you spoke with your
26:35
Speaker 1: daughter and boom there is it's a digital marker. And
26:39
Speaker 1: who by the way, if you pull the records for
26:43
Speaker 1: Jesse's phone, it's going to show that boom, she answered
26:46
Speaker 1: the phone call, or that Jesse called her. Rather, I've
26:50
Speaker 1: got this backwards. Jesse calls her, come and get me, mama,
26:54
Speaker 1: And you've got these two people that are communicating that
26:57
Speaker 1: seem to line up. You take just the digital data
27:00
Speaker 1: alone and marry that up with the code information I
27:05
Speaker 1: was referring to where she goes into cardiac arrest, because
27:08
Speaker 1: that's what would have happened. I don't think they just
27:12
Speaker 1: merely found her dead in the hallway, you know, and
27:19
Speaker 1: didn't attempt to do anything. Whether they would have attempted
27:22
Speaker 1: to resuscitate her, there would have been a whole team involved.
27:26
Speaker 1: And here's the other thing. When it comes down to
27:29
Speaker 1: a lawsuit, Dave, every single person that was involved in
27:37
Speaker 1: this case will receive a subpoena. They will go into
27:44
Speaker 1: a courtroom and they will be directly questioned by the
27:51
Speaker 1: attorney that's handling this case for the family. I don't
27:56
Speaker 1: know what their defense is going to be, but I
27:58
Speaker 1: got to tell you I think they're going to have
28:01
Speaker 1: quite the uphilt out of here. So your child, and
28:18
Speaker 1: trust me, there's still a child thirty one years old.
28:21
Speaker 1: You're a mama. This is somebody that you love. You're invested,
28:24
Speaker 1: all right, you love them, and particularly you've been on
28:28
Speaker 1: this journey with them of type one diabetes. You understand. Okay,
28:34
Speaker 1: you show up and your daughter, who's you know, by
28:41
Speaker 1: all indications, is in her right mind when she contacts you,
28:46
Speaker 1: she's vanished. David, I got to ask you a question
28:49
Speaker 1: as as a daddy. Let me let me throw this
28:52
Speaker 1: out to you. Your child calls you and says, come
28:56
Speaker 1: and pick me up at the hospital. Brother? What and
29:00
Speaker 1: they're not there? And you know that they've got a
29:04
Speaker 1: critical medical issue that you know needs to be tended to.
29:08
Speaker 1: They've also previously got a foot injury. What are you
29:12
Speaker 1: gonna do? I got to ask you, what you know,
29:15
Speaker 1: knee jerk reaction here? You know, kind of what what
29:18
Speaker 1: would be your your initial response here?
29:22
Speaker 2: The same as you I'm going to start looking. And
29:24
Speaker 2: I thought about this because mom shows up to pick
29:28
Speaker 2: her up. She's fully expecting her probably to be sitting
29:31
Speaker 2: in the lobby area ready to go, or out front.
29:33
Speaker 2: I mean, she's not expecting to go to the room
29:35
Speaker 2: and find her laying in bed, not ready to go,
29:38
Speaker 2: because she said I'm ready to go, come get me.
29:41
Speaker 2: So when when mom shows up and she is told
29:45
Speaker 2: she's not here, she laughed, She checked herself out against
29:48
Speaker 2: medical advice and left. Now the knee jerk is going,
29:51
Speaker 2: I believe is the same for all of us. I'm
29:54
Speaker 2: going to stop messing with the hospital. I'm going to
29:57
Speaker 2: believe that what they're telling me is the truth, and
29:59
Speaker 2: I I'm going to react accordingly. My first thought, I'm
30:02
Speaker 2: looking around the parking lot. Yep, I'm going to look.
30:04
Speaker 2: Is there a way she would have started walking? You know,
30:07
Speaker 2: why did she not wait for me to get here?
30:09
Speaker 2: She knew I was coming. It's only been a couple
30:11
Speaker 2: hours since we talked. How far could she have gotten
30:13
Speaker 2: what transpired that? I don't know. But you're going to
30:16
Speaker 2: believe that the hospital is being truthful. So immediately you're
30:20
Speaker 2: not going to start grilling them and let me see
30:22
Speaker 2: your charts, let me see you know, you're not gonna
30:24
Speaker 2: do that yet. You're going to do that later on,
30:26
Speaker 2: but right now you're looking, You're calling family. Hey man,
30:29
Speaker 2: she checked herself out and I can't find her. So
30:32
Speaker 2: it's going to start like that. You're you're really going
30:34
Speaker 2: to think, I'm going to find her out here somewhere,
30:35
Speaker 2: she's just mad. I mean, those are the basic things
30:38
Speaker 2: I'm thinking as a parent, and then it's going to
30:42
Speaker 2: go from that.
30:42
Speaker 1: Well, let me ask you a question real quick. Have
30:44
Speaker 1: you ever left a hospital mad? Yeah, I've been in
30:54
Speaker 1: a position where I don't care if I had to
30:56
Speaker 1: drag myself out of my bloody stumps. Yeah, I'm out
30:59
Speaker 1: of place. But yeah, yeah, I mean, and yeah, that's
31:02
Speaker 1: that's certainly plausible. You've had a nuance.
31:05
Speaker 2: Yeah, So that's what I'm thinking as a parent.
31:06
Speaker 1: You know.
31:07
Speaker 2: Now, the other part of this is what we don't know.
31:10
Speaker 2: We know that the relationship between mother and daughter is
31:13
Speaker 2: very strong here because you mentioned this, and it's very important.
31:16
Speaker 2: For twenty one years, mom and daughter have been bonded
31:20
Speaker 2: together over type one diabetes. This is not something you
31:23
Speaker 2: can ignore or take a break from. You don't get
31:25
Speaker 2: a vacation from this medical malady. You actually have this
31:28
Speaker 2: every day from the time you wake up till the
31:31
Speaker 2: time you go to sleep and during your sleeping hours.
31:34
Speaker 2: As a parent, we are concerned about our child. No
31:37
Speaker 2: matter how old they get, no matter how accomplished they become,
31:40
Speaker 2: they still have this underlying medical issue that requires constant attention.
31:45
Speaker 2: So she knows all these things, that relationship is, that
31:49
Speaker 2: medical drama, that is an everyday thing. So Mom's concerned
31:53
Speaker 2: what happened and where is she? So you're not going
31:57
Speaker 2: to go into the hospital files yet because you're going
32:00
Speaker 2: to be looking for her right away and after you
32:03
Speaker 2: don't immediately find it. This is just me. You got
32:05
Speaker 2: a couple hours tied up. Let's check all the basic
32:07
Speaker 2: places where we think she would go. Let's call all
32:09
Speaker 2: the friends we can think of that she would reach
32:11
Speaker 2: out to. But then there's going to be nobody has
32:16
Speaker 2: heard from her a senior since I talked to her
32:18
Speaker 2: two hours before I showed up to pick her up.
32:20
Speaker 2: And so now you go back to the hospital, Well,
32:23
Speaker 2: probably report her to the police missing. They get brought
32:26
Speaker 2: in fairly early on, and because of the medical issue,
32:30
Speaker 2: we need help finding her. And it's only going to
32:33
Speaker 2: be after that that you go back to the hospital
32:35
Speaker 2: and say, okay, now you're going to show me the
32:37
Speaker 2: charts and reports of everything you described a few minutes ago,
32:40
Speaker 2: and that's where you're going to actually start getting into
32:44
Speaker 2: a full accounting of a minute my minute timeline to
32:49
Speaker 2: determine where she is. And again from the hospital standpoint, Joe,
32:54
Speaker 2: she left. We don't know. It's like a third grader
32:57
Speaker 2: giving mom and dad an answer as to why they
32:59
Speaker 2: fail the test.
33:01
Speaker 1: Let me tell you where this actually breaks down in
33:05
Speaker 1: kind of the structure of the hierarchical structure within the hospital.
33:09
Speaker 1: It's not going to be it could be the physician
33:13
Speaker 1: that reaches out that is the attending the hospitalist. But
33:17
Speaker 1: if this is a hospitalist, keep in mind, this individual
33:21
Speaker 1: moves on to the next case, okay, And that's not
33:24
Speaker 1: an excuse, that's just the reality. You know, they move
33:27
Speaker 1: on down the line. You know where this really breaks
33:32
Speaker 1: down is a social worker, because you've got there's a
33:35
Speaker 1: whole group of people within the hospital that are there
33:39
Speaker 1: for the care of families and also making arrangements for
33:43
Speaker 1: individuals that have difficulties in their lives or just you know,
33:49
Speaker 1: post hospital treatment. You know, they make everybody aware and
33:52
Speaker 1: so in my experience, the social worker that works in
33:58
Speaker 1: the hospital, and they are assigned, they're employed by the hospital.
34:02
Speaker 1: They're the ones that are actually task with contacting the
34:09
Speaker 1: family and making sure that the family understands everything. Well,
34:15
Speaker 1: we're still we're at a point right now, Dave, where
34:19
Speaker 1: she's dead, Jesse's dead, all right, this is now you're
34:27
Speaker 1: at a point who who did not check these boxes?
34:31
Speaker 1: Relative to did did some people just assume that someone
34:36
Speaker 1: else was going to do this? You know, after you
34:38
Speaker 1: have this this flourish, this, you know, this event with
34:45
Speaker 1: a code, they're going back to restocking the you know,
34:50
Speaker 1: the the crash cart. They're wrapping the body and what's
34:55
Speaker 1: referred to as a morg pack, which prepa he or
35:00
Speaker 1: somebody to go to the morgue.
35:02
Speaker 2: Okay, I was gonna say, you got to tell me
35:03
Speaker 2: what that is because I don't know. But just fyi, Joe,
35:06
Speaker 2: let's just let's cut to the meat of this. Yeah,
35:10
Speaker 2: the hospital tells the family she left on her own,
35:14
Speaker 2: but she didn't ever leave. She's dead at the hospital
35:18
Speaker 2: and they start a cover up fairly early on. I'm
35:22
Speaker 2: an alleged cover up maybe mainly Yeah, I want to
35:26
Speaker 2: be clear that the family for a year is looking
35:31
Speaker 2: for jesse Marie Peterson, thirty one year old Type one
35:35
Speaker 2: diabetic lawyer. Okay, they're looking for her everywhere for a year.
35:39
Speaker 2: Can you imagine that, Joe. We cover missing persons stories
35:43
Speaker 2: a lot with Nancy Grace, and usually it ends up
35:46
Speaker 2: really bad where we eventually find the body. In this case,
35:49
Speaker 2: they never find her body anywhere. They're looking everywhere. It
35:54
Speaker 2: is a year and four days later that the family
35:58
Speaker 2: gets a call from a detective. Remember I told you
36:01
Speaker 2: they did go to the police, and they did report
36:03
Speaker 2: her missing, and the local police did their job at
36:05
Speaker 2: trying to find a missing adult with a medical issue.
36:08
Speaker 2: A year and four days after mom shows up to
36:11
Speaker 2: pick her daughter up at the hospital, the detective calls
36:14
Speaker 2: and says, hey, we found her. She's dead and the
36:20
Speaker 2: hospital knew. Now, Joe, I want you to tell me
36:25
Speaker 2: what happened to the body of jesse Marie Peterson.
36:31
Speaker 1: At this point, when she has been declared dead, Dave,
36:37
Speaker 1: they would have prepared her body to take her to
36:43
Speaker 1: their more facility in this hospital. And this hospital is
36:47
Speaker 1: actually Mercy San Juan Hospital, and it's in Sacramento County, California.
36:55
Speaker 1: And that's who the police eventually had gotten involved in
36:59
Speaker 1: this case to try to try to determine what happened
37:03
Speaker 1: to her, because you know, they're working this thing as
37:04
Speaker 1: a missing person's case. After they have gone through this
37:11
Speaker 1: detective has gone through interviewing people, probably requesting medical records,
37:17
Speaker 1: trying to understand the timeline, they have this kind of epiphany.
37:24
Speaker 1: I can only imagine where they're saying. It's very dramatic
37:28
Speaker 1: when you think about it. She never left the hospital,
37:31
Speaker 1: so kind of narrows it down as far as the
37:34
Speaker 1: search goes. You've had mom, you've had friends, you've had
37:38
Speaker 1: extended family that have been trying. They're exhausting every possibility
37:43
Speaker 1: here to try to find her. For mind, you, I
37:46
Speaker 1: have to restate what you've stated for over a year, Dave,
37:51
Speaker 1: for over a year, and all the while she had
37:53
Speaker 1: never left the hospital. She had not just simply gone
37:57
Speaker 1: into And here's the really, here's the real rub with this.
38:07
Speaker 1: They didn't just take her to the MORK. They took
38:13
Speaker 1: her to a location within the hospital that is a
38:21
Speaker 1: long term cult storage unit. And that's going to be
38:26
Speaker 1: different than like if Grandma dies up on ICU and
38:30
Speaker 1: you're waiting for the funeral home to come and pick
38:34
Speaker 1: the body up and remove. Okay, when you place a
38:39
Speaker 1: body into a storage you know, a cult storage unit
38:45
Speaker 1: within the hospital you're talking about, you have made a determination.
38:52
Speaker 1: This is an active choice that you're making. Here. You're saying, well,
38:58
Speaker 1: we've one of two things. We either our perception is
39:02
Speaker 1: she doesn't have family, and we don't know what to
39:05
Speaker 1: do with the body. Which at that point in time,
39:08
Speaker 1: the corner should have been notified and have stepped in
39:12
Speaker 1: because they would have brought all of their resources to
39:14
Speaker 1: bear and I can imagine Sacramento County Sheriff's Office investigator
39:20
Speaker 1: had reached out to the corner as well, was this
39:22
Speaker 1: case ever reported to you? That would have been one
39:24
Speaker 1: of the first steps. And then they have to make
39:30
Speaker 1: a decision about what they're going to do with her body. So,
39:33
Speaker 1: after they've prepared her body in a morg pack, which
39:37
Speaker 1: sometimes the variable it's plastic sheeting a body is sometimes
39:40
Speaker 1: a body will actually look like a mummy wrapped in
39:43
Speaker 1: plastic where the feet are tied off with external strings,
39:48
Speaker 1: the hands are tied inside. The inside the packaging, there's
39:52
Speaker 1: a gauze that goes around the head to hold the
39:55
Speaker 1: jaw in place all of these sorts of things, and
39:59
Speaker 1: sometimes they'll just place them into a body bag and
40:04
Speaker 1: then they're going to take them to this storage unit.
40:07
Speaker 1: Which for me, if you're placing a body into cold storage,
40:12
Speaker 1: what you're saying is all hope is lost. We don't
40:16
Speaker 1: know where the family is, this individual is indigent or
40:20
Speaker 1: two we got to try to figure this out because
40:23
Speaker 1: we fail to contact the next ken or let mama
40:26
Speaker 1: know within two hours of her having called and had
40:30
Speaker 1: contact with her, and it was just left just kind
40:35
Speaker 1: of pushed off into the ether there where you're thinking, well,
40:40
Speaker 1: no one's going to miss her, no one has shown
40:42
Speaker 1: back up to claim her. But all the while, you
40:45
Speaker 1: know Mama's out there looking for her now along with
40:48
Speaker 1: the police and Dave. What this cold storage does to
40:55
Speaker 1: human remains. We many people have this perception that if
41:02
Speaker 1: you that if you take a body and you place
41:08
Speaker 1: the body into a cooler, okay, that the body goes
41:13
Speaker 1: into this kind of stasis where nothing changes with the body.
41:18
Speaker 1: Nothing could be further from the truth. Okay.
41:20
Speaker 2: That messes with me, that that really does, because I
41:23
Speaker 2: assumed that Joe, I really did think that if you
41:27
Speaker 2: pass away and you're put in something that will keep
41:30
Speaker 2: you chill. You know that that everything stays the same,
41:34
Speaker 2: and that they can look at you two years later
41:36
Speaker 2: and figure out what happened. I didn't I thought that
41:38
Speaker 2: would happen, just because you know, I just thought that.
41:43
Speaker 2: I don't know why I'm an idiot, But no, what
41:45
Speaker 2: actually happened?
41:45
Speaker 1: I mean, why would you know that? I mean, most
41:47
Speaker 1: people don't know. I'm glad that most people don't know it.
41:50
Speaker 1: But you know, I've you.
41:52
Speaker 2: Know, you're saying worse than that. It's the opposite of that.
41:56
Speaker 1: Well it is. And here's one of the big things. Uh,
42:00
Speaker 1: with cold storage of bodies. What happens, As we all know,
42:07
Speaker 1: there's limited humidity. Okay, so the body is not retaining
42:13
Speaker 1: any kind of moisture at this point. So the body
42:18
Speaker 1: begins to dry out. Essentially, now the body is cold,
42:22
Speaker 1: all right, it's cold storage. You're not going to have
42:28
Speaker 1: the profound, decompositional odor that you would if say, someone
42:32
Speaker 1: was left out, a body was left out and was
42:35
Speaker 1: not cold stored, and it knocks that down. However, there's
42:43
Speaker 1: a price to be paid. The body will be almost
42:49
Speaker 1: it will have a parchment like appearance. You'll see like
42:52
Speaker 1: the fingertips that we've talked about this with the mummification,
42:55
Speaker 1: remember well, it's kind of the same principle in the
42:59
Speaker 1: sense that the body, because of the lack of humidity
43:02
Speaker 1: in this cold, cold environment, which most cold storage is
43:07
Speaker 1: colder than a standard more crypt because you don't you
43:12
Speaker 1: don't want to put a body. You don't want to
43:16
Speaker 1: put a body in cold storage unless they're going to
43:20
Speaker 1: be there for a protracted period of time. Remember, most
43:22
Speaker 1: of the dead that we deal with are fresh dead,
43:25
Speaker 1: and they're going to be released directly, you know, to
43:27
Speaker 1: a funeral home. And even after we're done with autopsies
43:30
Speaker 1: and things like that, the funeral home can still work
43:33
Speaker 1: with the body, you know, to get the body presentable
43:36
Speaker 1: for viewing and all that goes along with that. But
43:39
Speaker 1: with cold storage, one of the things that you'll see
43:42
Speaker 1: that's so profound the eyes. Actually, you know, you hear
43:48
Speaker 1: about people having sunken eyes. This is the absolute truth
43:52
Speaker 1: that the eyes do sink back into the head. And
43:55
Speaker 1: that's because there's a lack of moisture in the body.
44:00
Speaker 1: So just that in and of it, in and of itself,
44:05
Speaker 1: that presentation, you would have a very difficult time trying
44:10
Speaker 1: to kind of, you know, resurrect any kind of appropriate
44:14
Speaker 1: appearance for the body, just based on the eyes alone.
44:17
Speaker 1: I've seen this over and over again throughout my career
44:20
Speaker 1: with bodies that have been in long term storage. Secondly,
44:25
Speaker 1: the color of the skin changes. You will actually have
44:30
Speaker 1: bodies that and these temperatures can get very very cold,
44:34
Speaker 1: they're sub freezing. The bodies will actually develop a red
44:39
Speaker 1: hue to them that's indicative of like freezer burn Like
44:42
Speaker 1: you've heard the term freezer burned. You know that you have.
44:45
Speaker 1: There's not a dime's worth of difference between something that
44:50
Speaker 1: you would put into a deep freeze and deep freezing
44:54
Speaker 1: a human remain. So when in fact her body is
45:01
Speaker 1: finally found and located in the hospital, which now, Dave,
45:06
Speaker 1: we're talking, correct me if I'm wrong, in excess of
45:10
Speaker 1: three hundred and sixty.
45:11
Speaker 2: Five days, we're talking sixty nine.
45:15
Speaker 1: Three hundred and sixty nine days since she was last
45:18
Speaker 1: known alive, she will have gone a long way down
45:23
Speaker 1: the path of change. And when they found her, Dave,
45:28
Speaker 1: when they finally located her body in this hospital, her
45:32
Speaker 1: remains are not viewable. So let's think about what this
45:36
Speaker 1: mama has been through. First off, she's been through. My
45:43
Speaker 1: daughter calls me because she no longer wants to be here.
45:47
Speaker 1: She shows up, she's told that your daughter's not here.
45:52
Speaker 1: She left Ama against medical advice. Now she's in a fever,
45:59
Speaker 1: trying to find her daughter, flipping over every rock that
46:02
Speaker 1: she possibly can out there. It's a poor woman living
46:07
Speaker 1: every night thinking, oh, my lord, has she been kidnapped?
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Speaker 1: Has she been killed? Has is she wandering the streets?
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Speaker 1: She doesn't have her medication because again I bring us
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Speaker 1: back to Jesse being ten years old and Mama having
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Speaker 1: to watch over and take care of all of these needs.
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Speaker 1: She's been wringing her hands for a year. Oh and
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Speaker 1: then by the by, she gets the call from the
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Speaker 1: Sacramento Sheriff's office from a detective that tells her we
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Speaker 1: found your daughter. I wonder, just for a moment, maybe
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Speaker 1: there was a spark of hope, just in that little
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Speaker 1: second perhaps where Mama thought, maybe there's still a chance.
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Speaker 1: She didn't realize that when the have told her that.
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Speaker 1: To add insult to injury, she discovers that her daughter's
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Speaker 1: body is so badly decomposed that they couldn't view her.
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Speaker 1: They couldn't view her they couldn't grieve her. They couldn't
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Speaker 1: mourn her. She had been placed into that cult storage unit.
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Speaker 1: I'd like to know what else was in that cult
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Speaker 1: storage unit. I'd like to know was she stored with
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Speaker 1: other things? Whereas there more than just Jesse's mortal remains
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Speaker 1: contained within there is under the sun. There is no explanation,
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Speaker 1: there is no excuse use that can be made for
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Speaker 1: the decisions that were made. They say that broken hearts
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Speaker 1: never mend. This is sole crushing, absolutely soul crushing, and
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Speaker 1: like it or not, the people at the hospital, the administrators,
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Speaker 1: the medical staff, the doctor that didn't sign the death
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Speaker 1: certificate for over a year, they're going to have to
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Speaker 1: stand and deliver because they will receive a subpoena. They
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Speaker 1: will go to a courthouse and they will have to
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Speaker 1: explain themselves under oath. There will be more to come
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Speaker 1: in this case, and I hope that we can follow
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Speaker 1: up on it until then, I'm Joseph Scott Morgan and
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Speaker 1: this is body facts.