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Playboy Murders and Epstein Island with Holly Madison · Juicy Scoop with Heather McDonald

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  Speaker 3: Heather MacDonald has got the Juicy Scoop.
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  Speaker 3: Juicy Scoop.
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  Speaker 2: Hello and welcome to Juicy Scoop. I have return guest
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  Speaker 2: Holly Madison. Of course, you know her from her books,
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  Speaker 2: her new shows on ID that we're going to talk about,
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  Speaker 2: second season of Playboy Murders, also Girls Next Door, famous Playmate,
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  Speaker 2: your stellar podcast that everyone loves that you guys have
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  Speaker 2: been doing for a while. Thank you. I think this
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  Speaker 2: is like the fourth time you've come on my show.
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  Speaker 4: I think it is.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: It's always such a fun show to do.
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  Speaker 2: I'm excited that you're coming back because you have your
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  Speaker 2: second season of the Playboy Murders. Yeah. And tell us
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  Speaker 2: like a little bit about how it came about and
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  Speaker 2: the response and everything because it's kind of like a
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  Speaker 2: new thing for you to be getting into, which I
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  Speaker 2: think you're really good at.
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  Speaker 6: Thanks.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, the production company Lion TV came to me. They
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  Speaker 4: sent a deck to my agent of the shows they
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  Speaker 4: wanted to cover. And when my agent first brought it
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  Speaker 4: up to me, I was like, I can't do another
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  Speaker 4: Playboy thing. Like, I'm up to my ears in it. Like,
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  Speaker 4: I'll have nightmares. Like, I don't want to. And he goes, OK, well,
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  Speaker 4: just take a look at this deck and then let
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  Speaker 4: me know what you think. But when I saw the
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  Speaker 4: cases they wanted to cover for season one, many of
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  Speaker 4: which were cases I'd never heard of, you know, I
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  Speaker 4: thought I knew everything about the history of everybody who'd
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  Speaker 4: ever been involved in Playboy. But I was really intrigued
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  Speaker 4: by it. And I thought this is a show I'd
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  Speaker 4: actually watch. So I really wanted to be involved. And
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  Speaker 4: I had a great experience. Season one. So we're back
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  Speaker 4: with season two. And I'm even more excited about this season.
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  Speaker 4: I'm really excited to share these stories. Some of them
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  Speaker 4: involve people that I knew of or had met in
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  Speaker 4: real life. Some of them are stories I hadn't heard
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  Speaker 4: of before until they were brought to my attention. And
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  Speaker 4: we're also covering the Dorothy Stratton case, which is a
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  Speaker 4: very famous case. But we're talking to people that I
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  Speaker 4: don't remember ever seeing interviewed on a documentary before, like
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  Speaker 4: her roommate who lived with her.
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  Speaker 2: Let's just remind people of Dorothy Stratton. I definitely was
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  Speaker 2: probably the most famous tragedy, besides the tragedy in general
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  Speaker 2: of Playboy, which was revealed a lot in the doc.
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  Speaker 2: And I think in knowing, in watching that documentary about all,
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  Speaker 2: you know, how many people they interviewed, that was so
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  Speaker 2: interesting on Playboy. In reading some of these cases, which
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  Speaker 2: we'll get into as talking about, it does... there is
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  Speaker 2: such an element that ties Playboy to these different tragedies
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  Speaker 2: and what, I don't know, like now I just feel
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  Speaker 2: like we know so much more. And being that you
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  Speaker 2: like lived it, you were on Girls Next Door, you
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  Speaker 2: were the main girlfriend, you were with Hugh for so
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  Speaker 2: many years. And I know you had some trepidation about
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  Speaker 2: even being part of that big documentary.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Did you watch it? Did you watch the other women
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  Speaker 2: from like 40 years back be interviewed? And how did
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  Speaker 2: that affect you? Like knowing all that, which you clearly
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  Speaker 2: didn't know when you walked in at– how old were
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  Speaker 2: you when you first went to the party?
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  Speaker 4: 21.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. And then got involved and got sucked into that
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  Speaker 2: world and got on the show.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Was that bizarre to you, like to know that this
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  Speaker 2: all existed before you stepped in and the story that
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  Speaker 2: what you were sold in 2000 or whatever it was
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  Speaker 2: versus what had been going on for 30, 40 years
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  Speaker 2: prior to you stepping foot?
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, it was really bizarre and hard to watch. I'm
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  Speaker 4: very grateful for all the women who shared their stories.
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  Speaker 4: I feel less alone because of it. And that's why
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  Speaker 4: I wanted to be interviewed for that documentary and agreed
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  Speaker 4: to be interviewed is because I wanted to support them
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  Speaker 4: as well. And I had no idea about any of
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  Speaker 4: that stuff when I first came to the mansion. Over
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  Speaker 4: the years I was there, I started to have an
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  Speaker 4: idea of a little bit of it, but not very much.
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  Speaker 2: What were some of the things that were like, hmm,
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  Speaker 2: and maybe you pushed it to the back of your
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  Speaker 2: mind or didn't want to know more?
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  Speaker 4: Well, the first person who was interviewed for Secrets of
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  Speaker 4: Playboy was Jennifer Saganar, who was the daughter of Hef's doctor,
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  Speaker 4: and she lived at the house for a while. And
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  Speaker 4: she had written a book while I was there, maybe
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  Speaker 4: like midway into my time at the mansion. And I
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  Speaker 4: just remember when it came out, Hef kept trying to
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  Speaker 4: debunk it by saying, well, look, she got this fact wrong.
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  Speaker 4: She said she saw John Belushi there at this date,
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  Speaker 4: but he was dead by this date. Like he was
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  Speaker 4: pointing out all these inconsistencies. So, you know, I kind
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  Speaker 4: of took it with a grain of salt, but I
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  Speaker 4: don't disbelieve any of it.
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  Speaker 2: So did you read that book?
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  Speaker 4: I did, but very like low key. Like I didn't
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  Speaker 4: have to see I was reading it.
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  Speaker 2: Like in the bathroom?
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  Speaker 5: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: And I didn't know really what to make of it
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  Speaker 4: at the time because he was kind of pointing out
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  Speaker 4: inconsistencies with it. But now I don't disbelieve any of, like, the,
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  Speaker 4: you know, the real stuff that happened with her and
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  Speaker 4: the traumatic things. And she was very young, too, so.
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  Speaker 3: Right.
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  Speaker 2: And when somebody comes out with something like that, you know,
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  Speaker 2: and you've got the person that you're living with that's
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  Speaker 2: your whole world being like, oh, she was bitter or
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  Speaker 2: they're chasing something or she couldn't make it as an actress.
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  Speaker 2: So now she's doing this tell all to get press.
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  Speaker 2: They just want to get press. Of course, that's always
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  Speaker 2: the thing that you hear from the man that's denying
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  Speaker 2: the accusation, you know?
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, absolutely. And then with Sondra Theodore's story, she was
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  Speaker 4: Hef's girlfriend in the 70s and she shared her story
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  Speaker 4: on Secrets of Playboy, which was really heart wrenching to watch.
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  Speaker 4: You know, she was still like coming up to the
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  Speaker 4: mansion for certain social things while I was there. And
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  Speaker 4: she was always really nice. But I always kind of
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  Speaker 4: had a suspicion that maybe something hadn't been happy. Just little,
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  Speaker 4: you know, things I would hear from people who'd been
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  Speaker 4: friends with her back then and saying that she didn't
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  Speaker 4: always enjoy her time there. And I always kind of
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  Speaker 4: felt like she seemed, when she would come back up,
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  Speaker 4: like she was almost about ready to cry. But I
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  Speaker 4: didn't really know her that well and I didn't know
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  Speaker 4: what that was. I thought, well, maybe she just had
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  Speaker 4: a drink and was having fun or maybe it's been
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  Speaker 4: a rough day. I don't know. Like I didn't look
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  Speaker 4: into it too much. But it was those little clues
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  Speaker 4: that when I hear the story now, I'm like, oh,
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  Speaker 4: it all makes sense.
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  Speaker 2: Now, was she the one– because I remember this is
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  Speaker 2: just stuck in my brain so much– There was one
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  Speaker 2: of them that, you know, was very happy to be
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  Speaker 2: with Hef and thought that he adored her and loved her.
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  Speaker 2: And she was trying to be an actress and she
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  Speaker 2: was so excited and she got an agent or an
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  Speaker 2: audition or something. And he basically squashed it. He like
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  Speaker 2: found out and to her face was like, oh, that's great.
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  Speaker 2: And then went and called and was like, don't give
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  Speaker 2: her the part or dump her as a client because
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  Speaker 2: if she gets this, then I can't control her. And
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  Speaker 2: I actually don't want her to be a success. I
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  Speaker 2: actually don't want her to be on Hawaii Five-0 or whatever.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, I think that was Sondra that had that story.
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  Speaker 2: And I thought that was so telling. And I thought
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  Speaker 2: it was a good thing for people to see today.
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  Speaker 2: Because I think a lot of people get in relationships
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  Speaker 2: where there's a big power dynamic. And they're like, oh,
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  Speaker 2: my God, this is great. He's rich. He's great. He's connected. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: he's 20 years older or whatever, but I'm thrilled to, like,
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  Speaker 2: you know, get to meet all these important people. And
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  Speaker 2: then the years go by and you're like, well, why
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  Speaker 2: haven't I been given anything, you know, or why haven't
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  Speaker 2: I gotten anything? And the truth is that person that
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  Speaker 2: could get you on a show like that literally could
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  Speaker 2: pick up the phone as easily as picking up the
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  Speaker 2: phone and saying, don't give her the part. could be like, hey,
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  Speaker 2: my girl's going out for a five and under on
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  Speaker 2: a sitcom. Can you get it for her?
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  Speaker 5: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: They just as easily can be like, you better make
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  Speaker 2: sure she doesn't get that part.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, for sure. A hundred percent. And I think, you know,
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  Speaker 4: from what I observed, it seemed like any time one
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  Speaker 4: of his girlfriends did find success and like left because
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  Speaker 4: of it, it kind of seemed like he got stricter
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  Speaker 4: and stricter with each new group of women that came
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  Speaker 4: along to try and keep that from happening.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: But when I was 21 and going up to the
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  Speaker 4: mansion and seeing it from the outside, everybody, including him,
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  Speaker 4: acts like they're so happy. I thought he just loved
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  Speaker 4: the revolving door. And if his playmates went on to
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  Speaker 4: be successes, great. Good for the magazine. I didn't think
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  Speaker 4: there was anything weird about that. You know what I'm.
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  Speaker 2: Just remembering right now? Because I told you that like
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  Speaker 2: around 98, 99, I was going to the parties. Mm-hmm.
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  Speaker 2: And I was on the list, I don't know, when
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  Speaker 2: they needed some people to go, I guess. Stop. But
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  Speaker 2: I remember getting invited, and I want to say her
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  Speaker 2: name was Brandy. She was one of his girlfriends, and
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  Speaker 2: she got on Baywatch Hawaii. And the party was, it
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  Speaker 2: was a smaller party, but still a party, but not
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  Speaker 2: like a Midsommar's. And they're like, we're having a party
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  Speaker 2: for her because she got on. the Hawaii thing. And
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  Speaker 2: I remember going, oh, that's really nice. I guess they
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  Speaker 2: won't still be boyfriend and girlfriend, whatever. But now I'm
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  Speaker 2: thinking that was kind of the last time that he
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  Speaker 2: allowed that to happen.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, based on what I know from him, I
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  Speaker 4: think he kind of expected her to come back. I'm
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  Speaker 4: sure she was probably very clear on her intentions, but
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  Speaker 4: I think he kind of expected her to come back
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  Speaker 4: and then was disappointed when that didn't happen. And then
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  Speaker 4: You didn't see anybody else doing anything until Girls Next Door,
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  Speaker 4: but he very much thought he can control that as well.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I just think, I think a lot of people
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  Speaker 2: get with someone and to the outside world, they're, oh
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  Speaker 2: my God, they're, you know, Instagram, even today, their Instagram
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  Speaker 2: numbers went up. They're on the red carpet. They're this,
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  Speaker 2: oh my God. And then the years go by and
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  Speaker 2: it's like, well, now that, who knows if that person
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  Speaker 2: You know, like even like a Kato Kaelin, okay?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Like I remember talking to Kato Kaelin, famous from the
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  Speaker 2: OJ trial, and I was like, you know, you became famous.
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  Speaker 2: You're this famous neighbor and everything. I go, but you
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  Speaker 2: were like booking stuff and you were like a legit
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  Speaker 2: actor going out for stuff. Do you ever wonder if
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  Speaker 2: you were not living in that guest house, could have
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  Speaker 2: been on fucking Friends? Like who knows?
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  Speaker 3: Right.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, because now all anyone can see him as is
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  Speaker 4: the OJ guy. And he can't get lost in a
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  Speaker 4: role anymore. He can't be anyone else's new discovery. And
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  Speaker 4: that's what a casting director wants. They want to feel
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  Speaker 4: like they found the person. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: So, okay, let's talk about a couple of these cases.
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  Speaker 2: This one I'm not aware of. Her name's Lori Bembenek.
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  Speaker 2: How do you say her last name?
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  Speaker 4: Yes, this is Lori Bembenek. She was framed for murder
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  Speaker 4: in the early 80s, ended up going to prison for
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  Speaker 4: 10 years. She worked as a Playboy Bunny at one
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  Speaker 4: of the resorts up in the Midwest.
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  Speaker 2: In the 80s?
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, but she only worked there for three weeks. She
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  Speaker 4: had been a police officer before. And once she got
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  Speaker 4: framed for this murder, all anyone wrote about was that
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  Speaker 4: she was the Playboy Bunny killer. You know, they framed
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  Speaker 4: her kind of as this femme fatale. And nobody ever
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  Speaker 4: ran a picture of her in her police officer uniform
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  Speaker 4: or anything else. She was just known as a bunny.
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  Speaker 4: And this was something that was.
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  Speaker 2: Very bothersome to her. So she was like the waitress
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  Speaker 2: girl in the cute cocktail.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, in the costume.
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  Speaker 2: And so what was the case? How did they frame her?
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  Speaker 2: What happened?
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  Speaker 4: Well, it was the wife, the ex-wife of her husband,
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  Speaker 4: who was murdered. And supposedly there had been a large
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  Speaker 4: man in a wig wearing an army jacket, according to
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  Speaker 4: the kids' testimony, because the kids were in the house
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  Speaker 4: that night. They saw it, but they weren't killed. But
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  Speaker 4: somehow it got turned around on her and there's some
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  Speaker 4: suspicion because she had filed a discrimination suit against the
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  Speaker 4: Milwaukee Police Department because she'd been let go from the
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  Speaker 4: force for reasons she thought were shady. So it's all
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  Speaker 4: a very suspicious situation. And she ended up writing a
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  Speaker 4: book about it after the fact. So I was able
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  Speaker 4: to go in and kind of see she's no longer
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  Speaker 4: with us now. She passed away at age 50.
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  Speaker 2: But she wrote her stories. But she did get convicted? Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: She did. And she spent 10 years in prison. She escaped.
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  Speaker 4: She met someone in prison. They escaped. She went to Canada,
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  Speaker 4: got caught there. And she was only extradited back to
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  Speaker 4: the States when they agreed to retry the case. So
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  Speaker 4: she ended up getting second degree, but time served. So
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  Speaker 4: she was free after that. But it was just a
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  Speaker 4: wild story. And it got so much press attention at
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  Speaker 4: the time. And By the time she escaped, everybody was
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  Speaker 4: kind of rooting for her. And her nickname was Bambi.
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  Speaker 4: So it was like run, Bambi, run was the slogan.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, I remember this. I remember this like made-for-TV movie now. Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: Because they called her Bambi in the police academy training.
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  Speaker 4: They all had nicknames for each other. Wow.
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  Speaker 2: You know, it is just so interesting how press and
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  Speaker 2: media– You know, any kind of like, even when you
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  Speaker 2: watch like a Dateline or whatever, it's like a Hollywood story,
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  Speaker 2: you know? And they're like, oh. And I'm like, oh,
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  Speaker 2: let me get into this one. And it's like they'll
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  Speaker 2: exaggerate how much the person even worked in Hollywood. It'll
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  Speaker 2: be like. For sure. And she had, you know, and
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  Speaker 2: you're like, wait a minute. She was an extra for
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  Speaker 2: one day. Yeah. But anything to kind of like grab
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  Speaker 2: on that the players in it were Hollywood driven or attractive.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: So then any association with Playboy you know, just really
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  Speaker 2: ups the interest. But then, of course, it can be
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  Speaker 2: really used against you, too, when in this case.
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  Speaker 4: It's frustrating because back then there was no social media
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  Speaker 4: or any way she could really speak for herself in
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  Speaker 4: a way that was effective.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, she couldn't do a TikTok and be like, oh,
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  Speaker 2: excuse me. Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: Like, I was really a police officer, not just a
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  Speaker 4: waitress for three weeks.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, and they fired me because I was being hit
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  Speaker 2: on and I was going to talk about it or
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  Speaker 2: whatever the case might have been or they were just
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  Speaker 2: pissed that they were even allowing women back then to
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  Speaker 2: be cops or whatever. Yeah. Okay. This story is crazy.
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  Speaker 4: Yes. I'd never heard of this one until the producer
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  Speaker 4: brought it to my attention. This is Melanie Holler. She
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  Speaker 4: was an actress. She was on Welcome Back, Cotter. She
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  Speaker 4: had a recurring role on that show.
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  Speaker 2: Which was a huge sitcom in the 70s with John Travolta.
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  Speaker 2: It was like, you know, that's when there were three
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  Speaker 2: channels on TV and millions and millions of people watched,
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  Speaker 2: you know, each show.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah. And she did a celebrity pictorial in Playboy. And
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  Speaker 4: while the magazine was still on the newsstand, she was
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  Speaker 4: invited out to a party in the Hamptons at this
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  Speaker 4: guy's house. His name was Roy Radin. He was a producer.
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  Speaker 4: And a bunch of horrible things happened at that party.
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  Speaker 4: She was terribly abused, almost left for dead. Something happened
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  Speaker 4: where Roy actually called her mom and said, she's out here.
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  Speaker 4: I don't know how he got his mother's information, her
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  Speaker 4: mother's information. And she said, well, can you put her
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  Speaker 4: in a car at least? And he said, no, $ 60
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  Speaker 4: for a limo is too expensive. I'm putting her on
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  Speaker 4: a bus. And she was found on the bus, just
• 15:18
  Speaker 4: beaten and.
• 15:20
  Speaker 2: Like what you gave me some of the notes. So
• 15:21
  Speaker 2: these are the things that I gathered was like she
• 15:26
  Speaker 2: also met some guy who she brought as her date
• 15:31
  Speaker 2: and she was going there with her portfolio to audition.
• 15:38
  Speaker 2: And to audition for this legit movie producer that did
• 15:43
  Speaker 2: the movie Cotton Club, which was a big movie. I
• 15:45
  Speaker 2: want to say I even think maybe Eddie Murphy or
• 15:47
  Speaker 2: someone was in it, but it was a big movie
• 15:49
  Speaker 2: like in the 80s. And so, you know, again, whether
• 15:55
  Speaker 2: it's Harvey Weinstein or whatever. You're like, okay, this is
• 15:57
  Speaker 2: my chance. And, like, I am a legit actress. I have,
• 16:01
  Speaker 2: you know, been on set. I am attractive, you know,
• 16:06
  Speaker 2: naturally beautiful back then. People didn't have all the plastic surgery,
• 16:09
  Speaker 2: so it was, like, hard to find the girl that
• 16:11
  Speaker 2: had the perfect teeth and the perfect tits. And so
• 16:15
  Speaker 2: then she goes out there and, you know, these group
• 16:20
  Speaker 2: orgy kind of things happen to her. They drug her.
• 16:23
  Speaker 5: And.
• 16:25
  Speaker 2: Thank God she lived. But they find her like, yeah,
• 16:28
  Speaker 2: like the net. And yeah, I mean, the fact that
• 16:32
  Speaker 2: this guy just didn't even care that she was beaten
• 16:35
  Speaker 2: and abused and raped. And he throws her on a
• 16:39
  Speaker 2: bus or a subway or something back to the mom.
• 16:43
  Speaker 2: And then someone found her next to her portfolio.
• 16:47
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 16:48
  Speaker 2: I'm just like, but let's get into how weird that.
• 16:52
  Speaker 2: The background of this guy was and the things that
• 16:56
  Speaker 2: they found as evidence of the kind of shit that
• 16:58
  Speaker 2: these people were into in the 80s.
• 17:00
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 17:01
  Speaker 4: Well, he was a producer of live events like vaudeville
• 17:04
  Speaker 4: and things. Well, vaudeville revival at that point. But he
• 17:07
  Speaker 4: was very successful. Later got into movies, as you said,
• 17:10
  Speaker 4: like The Cotton Club.
• 17:11
  Speaker 2: And.
• 17:12
  Speaker 4: He was doing a lot of crazy stuff at his house.
• 17:15
  Speaker 4: They found videotape. They found all kinds of evidence of,
• 17:18
  Speaker 4: you know, weird ritualistic things and sexual assault.
• 17:21
  Speaker 2: Yeah, satanic stuff. It's really scary. And snuff films, which
• 17:26
  Speaker 2: I didn't know what snuff films were. You'd hear that.
• 17:29
  Speaker 2: And they're actually films that existed where they would film
• 17:35
  Speaker 2: like actual murders. Yeah. And people would pass them around.
• 17:40
  Speaker 2: And I think back then, there weren't VHS tapes and
• 17:44
  Speaker 2: stuff like that. So you kind of had to be
• 17:46
  Speaker 2: with someone in the movie industry to have it be
• 17:50
  Speaker 2: playing on film to see it.
• 17:52
  Speaker 4: Yeah, or somebody has to have the whole theater set
• 17:53
  Speaker 4: up at their house.
• 17:54
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and so here are these people that are these
• 17:57
  Speaker 2: elites in Hollywood back then. This shit really happened. You
• 18:02
  Speaker 2: hear about it now and people think it's not real
• 18:05
  Speaker 2: or whatever, what crazy TikTok conspiracy, whatever.
• 18:10
  Speaker 5: Mm-hmm.
• 18:11
  Speaker 2: But according to this hardcore evidence, this shit was happening
• 18:16
  Speaker 2: in the 80s with people in the industry. And then
• 18:19
  Speaker 2: they would actually abuse these women and have these sex
• 18:24
  Speaker 2: orgies with also women participating and abusing the women and
• 18:29
  Speaker 2: film it.
• 18:30
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 18:31
  Speaker 4: It's really disgusting.
• 18:33
  Speaker 2: Okay. So what happened with her case? Because then she
• 18:37
  Speaker 2: was able to. point out the people who did it.
• 18:41
  Speaker 4: But the guys barely got a slap on the wrist.
• 18:42
  Speaker 4: I don't think they did any time or anything.
• 18:44
  Speaker 2: I think it said 30 days for one guy and
• 18:47
  Speaker 2: the other guy a fine for a thousand.
• 18:49
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 18:50
  Speaker 2: And a lot of that was she was a playmate.
• 18:53
  Speaker 2: She went to the party willingly. She drank and did drugs.
• 18:57
  Speaker 4: Her issue was still on the stand when it happened.
• 18:59
  Speaker 4: So everybody just kind of had this prejudice in their
• 19:01
  Speaker 4: mind that they should never have had in the first place.
• 19:03
  Speaker 5: Right.
• 19:04
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 19:04
  Speaker 2: Oh, her issue of Playboy was still on the newsstand. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, like, oh, well,
• 19:10
  Speaker 2: this girl, this is what happens. This is why you shouldn't,
• 19:13
  Speaker 2: you know, take nude photos for a magazine.
• 19:16
  Speaker 4: Yeah, that's how people feel.
• 19:18
  Speaker 2: And or thinking like, well, this is what crazy Hollywood
• 19:20
  Speaker 2: people do and you deserve it.
• 19:22
  Speaker 4: Yeah, it's horrific for sure.
• 19:26
  Speaker 2: And where is she still alive today? She's still alive.
• 19:30
  Speaker 4: Roy Radin, I believe this separate case isn't a case
• 19:33
  Speaker 4: I'm focusing on, so I might have the facts wrong,
• 19:34
  Speaker 4: but I believe he got murdered in what they call
• 19:36
  Speaker 4: the Cotton Club murders.
• 19:38
  Speaker 2: Oh, that's, yes. Yeah. And they found him in like
• 19:41
  Speaker 2: the desert. Obviously looked like a hit.
• 19:44
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 19:44
  Speaker 4: Really scary.
• 19:45
  Speaker 2: I'm thinking, I just read that. I'm like, oh, he
• 19:49
  Speaker 2: raped the. wrong person's daughter. Right. He took somebody, somebody's
• 19:54
  Speaker 2: kid got invited or was excited to go to this
• 19:58
  Speaker 2: fancy party in the Hamptons thinking they were going to
• 20:00
  Speaker 2: make connections and somebody's uncle or whatever's in the mob.
• 20:05
  Speaker 2: And they were like, no, not today, Satan. Like, you're
• 20:09
  Speaker 2: fucking dead.
• 20:09
  Speaker 4: Could be karma comes back around.
• 20:12
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that was just, it's just, I just, there's something
• 20:16
  Speaker 2: just so sad about this or sexual harassment or, like,
• 20:23
  Speaker 2: the hard, anything where someone thinks, like, I don't know,
• 20:28
  Speaker 2: just because I look back, reading, even reading the stuff
• 20:30
  Speaker 2: that you sent me, it just, like, brings back, like,
• 20:33
  Speaker 2: so many memories of just, somebody going, hey, you want
• 20:37
  Speaker 2: to go to this? And I'm like, oh, I could
• 20:39
  Speaker 2: meet some people.
• 20:40
  Speaker 4: Yeah, for sure.
• 20:41
  Speaker 2: And it could lead to something. And, you know.
• 20:44
  Speaker 4: You almost go anywhere, you know, when you don't have
• 20:47
  Speaker 4: connections and you're just like, because you think of it
• 20:49
  Speaker 4: as work. You're just putting yourself out there. You're mingling
• 20:52
  Speaker 4: and you never know what's going to be the wrong thing.
• 20:54
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 20:54
  Speaker 2: And I mean, even in my early, like, stand-up days,
• 20:57
  Speaker 2: I just remember I did this tiny little bit. A
• 21:01
  Speaker 2: friend of a friend worked for E!, And it was
• 21:04
  Speaker 2: like E was like barely around. And she's like, I
• 21:08
  Speaker 2: want to do a story on like female stand-ups. I
• 21:10
  Speaker 2: had literally done stand-up like I don't even know, probably
• 21:13
  Speaker 2: 10 or 15 times. And so they come to the
• 21:15
  Speaker 2: comedy store in the belly room and she films a
• 21:18
  Speaker 2: little thing. And the woman who runs it is like
• 21:21
  Speaker 2: so excited because she's been doing it for like 30
• 21:23
  Speaker 2: years and has never been on TV. So it was
• 21:24
  Speaker 2: like whatever. And I get interviewed. But, you know, E,
• 21:28
  Speaker 2: they keep playing that shit. And this guy comes up
• 21:30
  Speaker 2: to me at the Starbucks in– In Brentwood. And he's like, hey,
• 21:35
  Speaker 2: I saw you and, you know, my friend's a comedy manager.
• 21:39
  Speaker 2: And I was like, I'm like, oh, my God, all
• 21:43
  Speaker 2: I want is representation. This is amazing. All right, come.
• 21:46
  Speaker 2: I'm doing another show at the Belly Room Comedy Store
• 21:49
  Speaker 2: this weekend. So the guy comes and he's like, yeah,
• 21:53
  Speaker 2: I think you got something. Let's, you know, let's meet.
• 21:57
  Speaker 2: Let's work together. And I remember my sister and my
• 21:59
  Speaker 2: best friend, we went across to House of Blues. And
• 22:02
  Speaker 2: we were partying. And I was like, next year it's
• 22:05
  Speaker 2: the Oscars. Like I was just like, finally, I have
• 22:09
  Speaker 2: someone that can send me out. So the guy gets
• 22:16
  Speaker 2: me booked at this club, which doesn't exist anymore, which
• 22:19
  Speaker 2: was great. But, you know, I'm like, oh, my God.
• 22:22
  Speaker 2: I remember I called him and I'm like, I'm so excited.
• 22:25
  Speaker 2: I can now host, meaning I'm just basically doing five
• 22:28
  Speaker 2: minutes and introducing people. No, for no money, of course.
• 22:33
  Speaker 2: And he's like, well, I have a little issue. I'm like, what?
• 22:37
  Speaker 2: He goes, well, my phone died or I don't know what.
• 22:41
  Speaker 2: He said he needed $ 180. This is my big Hollywood manager, right?
• 22:48
  Speaker 2: And I'm like, thinking in my dumb head of desperation
• 22:52
  Speaker 2: in Hollywood and being like 22 years old, I was like, oh,
• 22:56
  Speaker 2: my God, I got to get this guy's phone back
• 22:59
  Speaker 2: and running. Like, how are all these people going to
• 23:01
  Speaker 2: find me? Right? It's your only lifeline. So I go,
• 23:06
  Speaker 2: and I give him the $ 180. He never pays me back. Ugh.
• 23:12
  Speaker 2: But every time he'd be like, hey, let's go over
• 23:14
  Speaker 2: your stand-up or something, I would go. And then, of course,
• 23:17
  Speaker 2: one day he, like, makes a move on me. Oh, no.
• 23:21
  Speaker 2: And he was so gross.
• 23:23
  Speaker 4: Ugh.
• 23:24
  Speaker 2: I never got my $ 180 back.
• 23:28
  Speaker 4: Oh, it's the worst.
• 23:29
  Speaker 2: It's the worst, but I was just so excited.
• 23:32
  Speaker 4: Yeah, but especially back in the day when we didn't
• 23:34
  Speaker 4: have those online resources and you're new to the industry
• 23:37
  Speaker 4: and you don't know anybody attached. You're kind of just,
• 23:39
  Speaker 4: you know, and you're told to do that. Network, show
• 23:42
  Speaker 4: up everywhere, take every opportunity.
• 23:44
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 23:45
  Speaker 7: Every day you make around 35,000 choices.
• 23:48
  Speaker 2: What to wear?
• 23:49
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• 24:09
  Speaker 7: Happens Next. Each week on the show, I sit down
• 24:11
  Speaker 7: with extraordinary people who have faced tremendous setbacks.
• 24:33
  Speaker 5: And yet somehow have found a way to turn them
• 24:36
  Speaker 5: into their greatest strengths.
• 24:38
  Speaker 3: Life is one long lesson of chaos.
• 24:41
  Speaker 2: I'm heading to the Emmys and I have police complaints
• 24:44
  Speaker 2: filed against me.
• 24:44
  Speaker 4: When your free will was about to be taken from you,
• 24:47
  Speaker 4: what would you do if it was given back?
• 24:49
  Speaker 6: Where did that need come from where you thought that
• 24:52
  Speaker 6: you had to succeed in order.
• 24:53
  Speaker 2: To feel loved?
• 24:54
  Speaker 6: He said, I have a work dad.
• 24:56
  Speaker 5: I need a home dad.
• 24:57
  Speaker 6: What happens next?
• 24:58
  Speaker 2: When I came in, he started crying.
• 24:59
  Speaker 6: Everybody in life encounters hardships. What defines them is not
• 25:04
  Speaker 6: those hard moments that they go through. It's about what
• 25:07
  Speaker 6: happens next.
• 25:08
  Speaker 2: I decided to risk it all. I realized how valuable
• 25:10
  Speaker 2: every day was.
• 25:11
  Speaker 7: You're worth the work.
• 25:12
  Speaker 2: Listen, Dar, I'm not going to pull punches. You can
• 25:14
  Speaker 2: use your voice even if it's shaped.
• 25:16
  Speaker 5: The stories are different, but the impact is the same.
• 25:20
  Speaker 5: Only one question matters. What happens next?
• 25:30
  Speaker 4: Yeah, and it can be tricky sometimes.
• 25:32
  Speaker 2: When you got– remind people again because I don't remember.
• 25:37
  Speaker 2: You come here from– where are you from again?
• 25:40
  Speaker 4: I came from Oregon. Yeah, I transferred colleges. I was
• 25:42
  Speaker 4: at Loyola Marymount.
• 25:43
  Speaker 2: So you were at Loyola Marymount going to school. And
• 25:46
  Speaker 2: how did you– did you know you– were you interested
• 25:49
  Speaker 2: in modeling, acting? Like what was your thing?
• 25:52
  Speaker 4: Yeah, absolutely. I definitely wanted to model or act or
• 25:56
  Speaker 4: just do something in the entertainment industry. I didn't even
• 25:58
  Speaker 4: know what. So I had an agent. I had my headshots.
• 26:01
  Speaker 4: I was going out on auditions. And also I was
• 26:03
  Speaker 4: working to pay my tuition, the part that the scholarship
• 26:06
  Speaker 4: didn't cover. But I also have to keep my grades
• 26:07
  Speaker 4: up to keep the scholarship money. So I was just
• 26:09
  Speaker 4: kind of flopping at everything because I was trying to
• 26:11
  Speaker 4: do too much. And I had been invited to the
• 26:14
  Speaker 4: Playboy parties, which I love Playboy and.
• 26:16
  Speaker 2: Wanted to do. Now, how were you first invited to
• 26:17
  Speaker 2: the party?
• 26:18
  Speaker 4: I was in a Hawaiian Tropics contest. I ended up
• 26:21
  Speaker 4: working for Hawaiian Tropic. And Hef's doctor would invite the
• 26:24
  Speaker 4: girls from Hawaiian Tropic. To go.
• 26:27
  Speaker 2: He would just tell the Hawaiian Tropic guy, all these
• 26:28
  Speaker 2: girls are invited. So what was that like? That was
• 26:29
  Speaker 2: like you'd wear the bathing suits. You have a sash, right?
• 26:33
  Speaker 2: Like you were like in a pageant.
• 26:35
  Speaker 4: Usually to events, though, you'd wear like shorts and like
• 26:36
  Speaker 4: a crop top that said Hawaiian Tropic. Or you'd be
• 26:39
  Speaker 4: hired to be like a featured extra in a movie
• 26:41
  Speaker 4: if they wanted like cute girls or something.
• 26:43
  Speaker 2: So you were just in this cute girl situation. Yeah.
• 26:45
  Speaker 2: And you get paid how much back in the day
• 26:47
  Speaker 2: to like go participate?
• 26:48
  Speaker 3: Oh, God.
• 26:48
  Speaker 4: I don't even remember. I mean, if I could guess
• 26:51
  Speaker 4: and it would be completely the wrong number, it wasn't
• 26:53
  Speaker 4: like a lot of money. But it was, you know–
• 26:56
  Speaker 4: I was a Bud Light girl.
• 26:58
  Speaker 2: Uh-huh. That we'd go to bars and a couple events.
• 27:02
  Speaker 2: And I found the outfit. It was, like, pretty conservative, actually.
• 27:05
  Speaker 2: It wasn't even, like, that cute. Anyway, I remember it
• 27:07
  Speaker 2: was $ 75. And I was pretty excited to get that
• 27:11
  Speaker 2: for three or four hours to be with my friends.
• 27:14
  Speaker 4: Yeah, it was probably something similar for the Hawaiian Tropic.
• 27:16
  Speaker 4: And you just, like, flirt and gave out, like, a
• 27:18
  Speaker 4: free button. Yeah. Have your picture taken.
• 27:20
  Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah.
• 27:21
  Speaker 2: It really wasn't that bad. Okay, so you... So you
• 27:24
  Speaker 2: get invited to the parties and then... Well, I went
• 27:28
  Speaker 2: to the big party, the Midsummer Night's Dream party. And
• 27:30
  Speaker 2: then I was asked to come to the Sunday pool parties,
• 27:33
  Speaker 2: which are smaller and much more exclusive. And I started
• 27:36
  Speaker 2: going to those and, you know, talking to the people
• 27:38
  Speaker 2: that would go every Sunday. I didn't really talk to
• 27:40
  Speaker 2: half much or anything until about like a year after
• 27:43
  Speaker 2: going to my first Sunday pool party. That's when I
• 27:45
  Speaker 2: went out with the group. Oh, that's when you went
• 27:47
  Speaker 2: out with the group. And then they were like, we
• 27:49
  Speaker 2: like you, we want you to stay. And at that time...
• 27:54
  Speaker 2: Were you still in school?
• 27:56
  Speaker 4: No, I had dropped out and taken some time off
• 27:58
  Speaker 4: like right before. So I was like, I'm not doing
• 28:01
  Speaker 4: well at anything right now. I need to like narrow
• 28:02
  Speaker 4: it down. So I'll try and do something in the
• 28:04
  Speaker 4: entertainment industry because you have to do that while you're young.
• 28:06
  Speaker 4: I can go back to school at any time.
• 28:08
  Speaker 2: So were you, like, living in some apartment in L.A.? Like,
• 28:11
  Speaker 2: did you have a roommate?
• 28:12
  Speaker 4: Yeah, with a couple other girls who were also working
• 28:15
  Speaker 4: at Hooters with me because that was my job.
• 28:16
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 28:17
  Speaker 4: But around that time, both of my roommates had decided
• 28:20
  Speaker 4: to move back home. So I was like, I'm going
• 28:22
  Speaker 4: to be homeless.
• 28:22
  Speaker 2: So now you're fucked.
• 28:23
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 28:23
  Speaker 4: And that's why I went out with the group because
• 28:24
  Speaker 4: I was like, maybe I could live there for a while.
• 28:27
  Speaker 4: I wouldn't have had the balls to do that if
• 28:28
  Speaker 4: I hadn't been, like, almost homeless.
• 28:30
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 28:31
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 28:32
  Speaker 2: So then you're like, all right, fine. Like, who knows,
• 28:34
  Speaker 2: you know, where this will lead.
• 28:36
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 28:36
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 28:37
  Speaker 2: And then was there any opportunity before the TV show
• 28:41
  Speaker 2: that maybe it was sabotaged now that you look back?
• 28:47
  Speaker 4: I don't know that anything particularly was sabotaged. I caught
• 28:50
  Speaker 4: on pretty quick that I wasn't supposed to work. He
• 28:52
  Speaker 4: didn't want us having any kind of like day job
• 28:55
  Speaker 4: or anything like that. So I would like sneak around
• 28:57
  Speaker 4: and go to auditions and things like that. And I'd
• 28:59
  Speaker 4: get callbacks for things. But I got to a point
• 29:02
  Speaker 4: where I was like, I give up on this. I
• 29:03
  Speaker 4: forget what it was, but it was one of those
• 29:05
  Speaker 4: like three strike experiences where like I was on hold
• 29:08
  Speaker 4: for a commercial. So I called my agent like, am
• 29:10
  Speaker 4: I still on hold? And the new receptionist was like,
• 29:12
  Speaker 4: you are never on hold for anything. It was just
• 29:14
  Speaker 4: a bunch of weird experiences like that. I'm like, I'm
• 29:16
  Speaker 4: done with this. This is such a pain in the ass.
• 29:18
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 29:19
  Speaker 4: And then the show came along.
• 29:21
  Speaker 2: I know there's sometimes in this business where it just
• 29:23
  Speaker 2: hits you on the wrong day. There's other days where
• 29:25
  Speaker 2: you're like, keep going, sister. And then there's other days
• 29:28
  Speaker 2: where you're like, you know what?
• 29:30
  Speaker 3: Fuck it.
• 29:31
  Speaker 2: I can't take it. I can't. Yeah.
• 29:33
  Speaker 4: It's too much uncertainty.
• 29:34
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 29:35
  Speaker 2: I totally hear you.
• 29:36
  Speaker 5: Okay.
• 29:38
  Speaker 2: Oh, this was just a photo. of her whole thing.
• 29:41
  Speaker 2: And she went on, this girl that we went back to,
• 29:44
  Speaker 2: the one that was unfortunately beaten and all this stuff.
• 29:47
  Speaker 2: And then she just led a quiet life, right?
• 29:49
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 29:49
  Speaker 4: I think she chose to live privately, which is understandable
• 29:52
  Speaker 4: after all that trauma and going through the case and
• 29:54
  Speaker 4: everything and not feeling like people are siding with you,
• 29:57
  Speaker 4: I imagine.
• 29:58
  Speaker 2: Yeah. But she's still with us, so that's good. Okay,
• 30:01
  Speaker 2: now these girls, the Bentley twins, I remember them and
• 30:06
  Speaker 2: they were his two identical girlfriends. They were in the
• 30:10
  Speaker 2: press a lot.
• 30:10
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 30:11
  Speaker 2: And they were right before kind of you guys, right? Yeah.
• 30:15
  Speaker 4: The first Midsummer Night's Dream party I went to, he
• 30:18
  Speaker 4: was still dating the twins. And I remember seeing them
• 30:20
  Speaker 4: and thinking they were the best looking people I'd ever
• 30:23
  Speaker 4: seen in my life.
• 30:24
  Speaker 2: Like I.
• 30:25
  Speaker 4: like my jaw was on the floor. I just thought
• 30:26
  Speaker 4: they were stunning. And I never got to know them
• 30:28
  Speaker 4: personally because they were gone by the time I moved in.
• 30:30
  Speaker 4: But I just thought they were so pretty. Now, this
• 30:32
  Speaker 4: is a crazy story. So why don't you walk us
• 30:35
  Speaker 4: through it?
• 30:36
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 30:37
  Speaker 4: So this is a kind of a stranger than fiction story.
• 30:39
  Speaker 4: So one of the twins, Sandy, she was dating Hef,
• 30:43
  Speaker 4: but on the side, she was seeing this guy who,
• 30:46
  Speaker 4: Mark Yagala, who was This very young, like early 20s
• 30:50
  Speaker 4: kind of Wall Street guy who we would find out
• 30:53
  Speaker 4: later was embezzling a lot of the money people were
• 30:55
  Speaker 4: giving him to invest. He ended up spending $ 7 million
• 30:59
  Speaker 4: on Sandy. I don't know how to get a guy
• 31:03
  Speaker 4: to spend.
• 31:04
  Speaker 2: That much money. He spent $ 7 million on how?
• 31:07
  Speaker 4: Like just jewels and– Bought her a house in Vegas,
• 31:10
  Speaker 4: remodeled the house.
• 31:11
  Speaker 2: Oh, and she's, like, also, like, coming back. But at
• 31:15
  Speaker 2: this time, they didn't have the 9 p.m.
• 31:16
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I think things were a little more lax back then.
• 31:19
  Speaker 2: But she and this twin sister still lived at the
• 31:21
  Speaker 2: mansion while she was seeing this Wall Street guy. Yeah.
• 31:24
  Speaker 2: And he was young but rich.
• 31:26
  Speaker 4: Mm-hmm.
• 31:27
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 31:28
  Speaker 4: Yeah, so he spent all this money on her, but then.
• 31:30
  Speaker 2: And they met— is this the guy that she met at
• 31:32
  Speaker 2: the Garden of Eden?
• 31:33
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 31:34
  Speaker 4: Well, she met Hef at the Garden of Eden.
• 31:35
  Speaker 2: I'm not sure where she met him. I totally remember
• 31:36
  Speaker 2: that place.
• 31:37
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 31:37
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 31:38
  Speaker 2: You know who I think– I think that's where Kyle
• 31:41
  Speaker 2: from Real Housewives of Beverly Hills met Mauricio. Really? The
• 31:44
  Speaker 2: Garden of Eden was on La Cienega, right?
• 31:46
  Speaker 4: I don't know because I think it was over by
• 31:48
  Speaker 4: the time I was kind of on the scene a
• 31:49
  Speaker 4: little bit.
• 31:50
  Speaker 2: I definitely remember going there. Okay. So continue. Yeah.
• 31:53
  Speaker 4: So this Mark Yagala gets busted for what he's doing
• 31:57
  Speaker 4: and then they start looking into– where did all the
• 32:00
  Speaker 4: funds go? Where did all this money go? Because they're
• 32:01
  Speaker 4: trying to get it back for the victims, right? So
• 32:04
  Speaker 4: they find that a lot was spent on Sandy and
• 32:07
  Speaker 4: they're seizing all her assets. And apparently she and her
• 32:11
  Speaker 4: new boyfriend, a really good looking guy who was a
• 32:13
  Speaker 4: doorman at the Garden of Eden, it all comes back
• 32:15
  Speaker 4: to Garden of Eden for some reason, they had taken
• 32:18
  Speaker 4: some of her jewels and had hidden them and tried
• 32:21
  Speaker 4: to sell them kind of on the down low to
• 32:24
  Speaker 4: get some of that money back. And he ended up
• 32:28
  Speaker 4: being found dead along with his best friend who went
• 32:30
  Speaker 4: with him in a car, and the jewels were gone.
• 32:33
  Speaker 4: And it's still to this day unsolved.
• 32:35
  Speaker 2: But wait, where was the Wall Street guy?
• 32:37
  Speaker 4: He was no longer involved at this point.
• 32:39
  Speaker 2: So he was out of the picture, but he's alive. Mm-hmm. Okay.
• 32:42
  Speaker 2: And then these two guys were found.
• 32:44
  Speaker 4: Dead, yeah, because they were trying to sell the jewels.
• 32:47
  Speaker 4: And the jewels were gone.
• 32:48
  Speaker 2: They were dead.
• 32:48
  Speaker 4: Nobody knows who has the jewels, who was supposed to
• 32:51
  Speaker 4: buy the jewels.
• 32:53
  Speaker 2: And... And when all this was going down, were they
• 32:57
  Speaker 2: still hanging out with Hef or no?
• 32:59
  Speaker 4: I think they were. I think she was gone. Well,
• 33:01
  Speaker 4: she was definitely gone by the time the murders happened.
• 33:03
  Speaker 4: I remember hearing about it maybe a year or two
• 33:06
  Speaker 4: after I moved in. I remember one of Hef's friends
• 33:08
  Speaker 4: was telling me about it at the dinner table. And
• 33:10
  Speaker 4: I just thought this is stranger than like you can't
• 33:12
  Speaker 4: write this stuff. So many twists and turns.
• 33:15
  Speaker 2: I remember like seeing a lot about this like during
• 33:18
  Speaker 2: the hard copy days and stuff. And I remember they'd
• 33:20
  Speaker 2: be like following her like out of a store. In
• 33:23
  Speaker 2: Vegas or whatever. And they, where are these twins now?
• 33:29
  Speaker 2: Because I feel like we have not heard from them
• 33:32
  Speaker 2: and they were not part of the Playboy doc.
• 33:34
  Speaker 4: No, they've definitely been living quiet lives. I know Sandy
• 33:36
  Speaker 4: got married and had a baby. And, you know, everybody
• 33:39
  Speaker 4: I know who knows them only has nice things to say.
• 33:42
  Speaker 4: And I think they're just living quiet lives.
• 33:45
  Speaker 2: And so the other girl, though, Sandy, the other sister,
• 33:49
  Speaker 2: never was involved.
• 33:50
  Speaker 4: No, she wasn't involved as far as I know.
• 33:52
  Speaker 2: What happened to those two other twins?
• 33:56
  Speaker 4: Oh, the Shannon twins who were there later?
• 34:00
  Speaker 2: Wait, weren't there also– maybe these weren't Playboy. There were
• 34:03
  Speaker 2: these two other twins that were always on hard copy
• 34:06
  Speaker 2: that were super thin. Oh, do you mean the Barbie twins?
• 34:08
  Speaker 2: The Barbie twins.
• 34:09
  Speaker 4: They were in Playboy. I don't think they were like
• 34:11
  Speaker 4: ever involved with Hef or anything, but they were in
• 34:13
  Speaker 4: Playboy a couple times.
• 34:14
  Speaker 2: And they would just get so much plastic surgery and
• 34:16
  Speaker 2: they were so skinny. And really big boobs. Yeah.
• 34:19
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 34:20
  Speaker 2: What happened to them? I don't know.
• 34:22
  Speaker 4: That's a good question.
• 34:23
  Speaker 2: Someone listening knows what's happened to them.
• 34:25
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 34:26
  Speaker 2: Let us know. I just feel like those shows that
• 34:28
  Speaker 2: were on like at 7 at night, like every night,
• 34:32
  Speaker 2: like the hard copy, the extra, they must have paid
• 34:36
  Speaker 2: these weirdos to be on it all the time. Like
• 34:38
  Speaker 2: they must have been getting something out of it. I
• 34:40
  Speaker 2: feel like there was 10,000 stories on those Barbie twins.
• 34:43
  Speaker 4: Yeah, you would think.
• 34:45
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 34:45
  Speaker 4: But it was great publicity back then though because this
• 34:47
  Speaker 4: was back when there were only like– handful of channels.
• 34:50
  Speaker 2: Right, exactly. Well, you know the Courtney Stodden. She's the
• 34:56
  Speaker 2: young girl that married that actor. She came on my
• 34:59
  Speaker 2: show years ago and I was probably one of the
• 35:03
  Speaker 2: first interviews that she did after she was rid of
• 35:05
  Speaker 2: him and everything. And she was 16. She was a virgin.
• 35:12
  Speaker 2: Her parents signed off on her marrying this guy. She
• 35:15
  Speaker 2: had big natural boobs, so she looked a lot older
• 35:17
  Speaker 2: than she was. But I asked about that. And she goes, oh, no,
• 35:21
  Speaker 2: we got paid for that. We'd be paid all. He
• 35:24
  Speaker 2: was so he would constantly. And they always people were
• 35:29
  Speaker 2: so fascinated that he was like 51 and like this
• 35:32
  Speaker 2: character actor. And she was the 16 year old whose
• 35:35
  Speaker 2: parents signed off on it. But she looked like she
• 35:38
  Speaker 2: was 40 that they were like, that's what people want
• 35:41
  Speaker 2: to see. They would do another interview with them and
• 35:43
  Speaker 2: another interview with them and another. And it was like. Wow. Oh,
• 35:47
  Speaker 2: my God.
• 35:48
  Speaker 4: That's crazy.
• 35:49
  Speaker 2: But it was because he was negotiating money. Oh, wow.
• 35:52
  Speaker 2: For them to be on it.
• 35:53
  Speaker 4: Yeah, like tabloid style.
• 35:54
  Speaker 2: That's crazy. I think there's going to be– I think
• 35:57
  Speaker 2: more and more we're going to see more stuff. Like
• 36:00
  Speaker 2: I feel like there's some sensational podcast guests and stuff
• 36:06
  Speaker 2: that are happening. And I'm like, how did they get
• 36:08
  Speaker 2: that one? I'm like, oh, I think someone just offered
• 36:10
  Speaker 2: them like 10 grand.
• 36:11
  Speaker 4: Probably, right?
• 36:12
  Speaker 2: Yeah, because I'm like, it just doesn't make sense. Like,
• 36:14
  Speaker 2: if you're going to do one, why wouldn't you go for, like,
• 36:16
  Speaker 2: the biggest one out there or whatever? And I don't
• 36:19
  Speaker 2: really begrudge the person for going and being like, here's
• 36:22
  Speaker 2: 10 grand, do my show. And they don't have to
• 36:25
  Speaker 2: say anything. Why? You know, whatever.
• 36:28
  Speaker 4: But, like, I wonder how Gypsy Rose picked the interviews
• 36:31
  Speaker 4: she did.
• 36:32
  Speaker 2: With Nick? Yeah.
• 36:34
  Speaker 4: I mean, it's a big show.
• 36:36
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 36:36
  Speaker 2: I know. This is what I think.
• 36:36
  Speaker 3: What?
• 36:41
  Speaker 2: I think he's taking a page out of Bethany's book
• 36:43
  Speaker 2: and I think he's going to help set up her
• 36:46
  Speaker 2: own podcast under his umbrella.
• 36:48
  Speaker 4: Oh, that makes sense.
• 36:49
  Speaker 2: That's my prediction.
• 36:50
  Speaker 4: That totally makes sense.
• 36:51
  Speaker 2: I mean, I don't know how that's going to be, but.
• 36:54
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 36:56
  Speaker 4: I mean, she's fascinating. She's so good at press.
• 37:00
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 37:01
  Speaker 4: For somebody who's just.
• 37:02
  Speaker 2: A murderer.
• 37:02
  Speaker 4: I mean, I guess it makes sense because for somebody
• 37:04
  Speaker 4: who's been in jail for so long. But I guess
• 37:06
  Speaker 4: it makes sense because her mom was always, you know,
• 37:08
  Speaker 4: pushing her out there to kind of be a spokesperson
• 37:11
  Speaker 4: for them, like on a local level and stuff. So
• 37:13
  Speaker 4: I guess it makes sense.
• 37:14
  Speaker 2: And also the mom, I mean, listen, if that's what
• 37:18
  Speaker 2: you're raised with. Like I remember I had a friend
• 37:21
  Speaker 2: whose mom was really attractive. And at a very young age,
• 37:26
  Speaker 2: she was like, I'm going to show you how you
• 37:28
  Speaker 2: get free dry cleaning. And she didn't. flirted with the
• 37:31
  Speaker 2: weird dry cleaner and she was like a single mom
• 37:34
  Speaker 2: and like just like yeah you might have a mom
• 37:36
  Speaker 2: that like cooks teaches you how to cook really well
• 37:39
  Speaker 2: and then there's moms that are like let me show
• 37:41
  Speaker 2: you how to get a guy and you know and
• 37:45
  Speaker 2: ha ha ha and you laugh lightly you know or
• 37:48
  Speaker 2: whatever and then I think there's ones that whatever those
• 37:52
  Speaker 2: manipulative traits are you might benefit from them in a
• 37:56
  Speaker 2: positive way, providing you're not doing Munchausen by proxy. But like, yeah, maybe.
• 38:01
  Speaker 4: Yeah, she handles herself really well. I feel like if
• 38:04
  Speaker 4: I were in her position, I'd be like a lump.
• 38:07
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 38:08
  Speaker 4: I wouldn't be good at it.
• 38:09
  Speaker 2: No, I think she loves the attention. I mean, it
• 38:12
  Speaker 2: is kind of like the ultimate flex. You got a
• 38:14
  Speaker 2: guy to kill your mom. You went to prison. He's
• 38:17
  Speaker 2: going to spend the rest of life in prison. You're out.
• 38:20
  Speaker 2: But you didn't even marry that guy.
• 38:23
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 38:23
  Speaker 2: You hadn't married somebody else.
• 38:25
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 38:26
  Speaker 2: And you had like– she had so many guys writing
• 38:28
  Speaker 2: to her. Yeah.
• 38:29
  Speaker 4: They seem like a cute couple now together. I like
• 38:31
  Speaker 4: their funny little– when she writes like the D is
• 38:34
  Speaker 4: fire on his.
• 38:35
  Speaker 2: Pictures and stuff.
• 38:37
  Speaker 4: It's cute.
• 38:37
  Speaker 2: We'll see. I don't– we'll see where she is in
• 38:42
  Speaker 2: a few months.
• 38:44
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 38:44
  Speaker 2: I don't know. I don't know if we're going to
• 38:46
  Speaker 2: want to hear the podcast for a year. I don't
• 38:49
  Speaker 2: know if we'll be over it in three months. It's
• 38:51
  Speaker 2: kind of interesting to see who lasts.
• 38:53
  Speaker 4: Yeah, it's interesting to see who the public attaches to.
• 38:56
  Speaker 2: I mean, originally I thought they'd go straight to OnlyFans.
• 39:00
  Speaker 2: But I don't think that's going to happen for a while.
• 39:06
  Speaker 2: But I like to predict what people are going to do.
• 39:08
  Speaker 2: It doesn't mean I'm going to be right.
• 39:09
  Speaker 4: No, I think you're good at predictions.
• 39:11
  Speaker 1: I do.
• 39:12
  Speaker 2: I really want to know what happened with these girls.
• 39:14
  Speaker 2: I would love to hear from them.
• 39:16
  Speaker 4: Yeah, me too. I think it'd be so interesting.
• 39:20
  Speaker 2: Okay. Now, this girl, I totally remember this story. This
• 39:24
  Speaker 2: has been a subject of, like, I think a lot
• 39:26
  Speaker 2: of datelines in 2020s.
• 39:28
  Speaker 4: Tell us about this Yeah, this is Paula Sleduski. She
• 39:30
  Speaker 4: posed for Playboy during the 50th anniversary Playmate Search, which
• 39:33
  Speaker 4: was done back in 2003. She later went on to
• 39:37
  Speaker 4: live in Miami, and she went out to a nightclub
• 39:39
  Speaker 4: with her boyfriend one night. They got in a fight
• 39:42
  Speaker 4: at the club, and club security kind of separated them,
• 39:44
  Speaker 4: and they let Paula go first and waited a few
• 39:47
  Speaker 4: minutes before they let the boyfriend out because they thought,
• 39:49
  Speaker 4: you know— They were helping in that way. But she
• 39:51
  Speaker 4: ended up out there by herself and was wandering around
• 39:54
  Speaker 4: this neighborhood trying to get home. And then later her
• 39:57
  Speaker 4: body was found horribly burned in a dumpster. And this
• 39:59
  Speaker 4: is still also an unsolved case.
• 40:02
  Speaker 2: So she was just trying to get in the magazine
• 40:06
  Speaker 2: as in the search thing. But it didn't really go anywhere, right?
• 40:13
  Speaker 4: No, she ended up being in one of the home
• 40:15
  Speaker 4: videos that they sell, which is kind of like a
• 40:16
  Speaker 4: compilation of the search thing.
• 40:18
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 40:18
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 40:19
  Speaker 2: But of course, everyone's going to grab on that.
• 40:21
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 40:21
  Speaker 2: But I remember with this story, which I thought was,
• 40:26
  Speaker 2: it just, yeah, it was like there was this couple
• 40:28
  Speaker 2: and it was very interesting because they were like this
• 40:31
  Speaker 2: hot kind of, he was like a muscly guy and
• 40:33
  Speaker 2: she was a hot guy and then kind of cheesy
• 40:35
  Speaker 2: a little bit. And they go to like, you know,
• 40:38
  Speaker 2: their New Year's Eve and they're going to this hot
• 40:40
  Speaker 2: nightclub and they're fighting and then she's like, fuck you.
• 40:44
  Speaker 2: But it's like, this is all before. Like, when I
• 40:46
  Speaker 2: think about How scary and how hard– how many women
• 40:51
  Speaker 2: in my age and around my– were, like, stuck at
• 40:54
  Speaker 2: places and not safe because there was no phone with
• 40:57
  Speaker 2: an Uber and a Lyft.
• 40:59
  Speaker 4: Yeah, we forget how new Uber is. You know, before Uber,
• 41:03
  Speaker 4: you were screwed.
• 41:04
  Speaker 2: You were so screwed. First of all, so hard to
• 41:06
  Speaker 2: find a cab, especially in L.A. You know, this isn't
• 41:09
  Speaker 2: New York. And then– so you– I remember, like, trying to, like,
• 41:13
  Speaker 2: find a phone, call information for a cab service. Try
• 41:18
  Speaker 2: to get a cab to come to a residential area.
• 41:20
  Speaker 4: Takes forever.
• 41:21
  Speaker 2: I mean, if you went back to, like, someone's house
• 41:24
  Speaker 2: after a nightclub, you are screwed.
• 41:27
  Speaker 4: Yeah, you're really stuck. Especially, like, up in the hills.
• 41:31
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 41:32
  Speaker 5: 100%.
• 41:32
  Speaker 2: There was some story. I can't remember if that was
• 41:33
  Speaker 2: someone was telling me or maybe it was just– it
• 41:35
  Speaker 2: was one of those– oh, I know. It was one
• 41:38
  Speaker 2: of the stories involving Danny Masterson. Oh, yeah. Who's now
• 41:43
  Speaker 2: in prison. Who– there were all these accounts of him–
• 41:47
  Speaker 2: you know, drugging girls and raping them. And there was
• 41:50
  Speaker 2: a story, maybe I did see it on a girl
• 41:52
  Speaker 2: on TikTok, where it was she and her friend and
• 41:57
  Speaker 2: they went back to the night, from the nightclub back
• 41:59
  Speaker 2: to his house and the Masterson girlfriend was there. Oh,
• 42:03
  Speaker 2: the girl that, he's not married to Chyna Phillips. He's
• 42:07
  Speaker 2: married to Bijou. Bijou Phillips, yeah. Yeah. And they were just,
• 42:11
  Speaker 2: I think they were not married at the time, but
• 42:13
  Speaker 2: it was like that 70s show, the height of it.
• 42:16
  Speaker 2: And they're like drinking and they're just like cool. Cause
• 42:19
  Speaker 2: they're like, Oh my God, I can't believe we're at
• 42:20
  Speaker 2: this guy's house. Like, let's just, you know, have the
• 42:22
  Speaker 2: story to tell. And all of a sudden the girl
• 42:25
  Speaker 2: telling TikTok story, like looks over and the girl is like, like,
• 42:29
  Speaker 2: she's like, how the hell did she get that fucked
• 42:31
  Speaker 2: up or whatever? And, and she's like, I'm going to
• 42:33
  Speaker 2: go to the bathroom. And she like gets up and
• 42:35
  Speaker 2: then the Masterson guy goes and somehow she intercepted whatever
• 42:41
  Speaker 2: was going to happen. And then the Bijou Phillips, according
• 42:45
  Speaker 2: to this girl, Got really mad at him. Like, are
• 42:47
  Speaker 2: you fucking doing this again?
• 42:50
  Speaker 3: Oh, no.
• 42:50
  Speaker 2: Yeah, like that type of thing. And so then they
• 42:52
  Speaker 2: were like, we're going to leave. And they're like up
• 42:54
  Speaker 2: in the hills above sunset, right? Yeah. And the phone
• 42:58
  Speaker 2: is dead. But there's also no Uber or anything. And
• 43:01
  Speaker 2: they literally just had to like sit on the curb
• 43:04
  Speaker 2: in the cold.
• 43:05
  Speaker 4: And it's confusing to get down from the hills. too
• 43:07
  Speaker 4: like those windy streets like and they.
• 43:10
  Speaker 2: Just sat there the girl like passed out in the
• 43:12
  Speaker 2: mud and the other girl like stayed there and they
• 43:15
  Speaker 2: and then by the luck of God some cab just
• 43:20
  Speaker 2: literally drove by like dropping someone else off at 6am
• 43:23
  Speaker 2: and they got in the cab and were okay that's
• 43:26
  Speaker 2: the worst but I just yeah I just don't even
• 43:28
  Speaker 2: it's such a common thing though I know I know
• 43:30
  Speaker 2: that people think like it's scary that we get into
• 43:32
  Speaker 2: Ubers and you know and you have to be careful
• 43:34
  Speaker 2: of that but let me tell you the Uber Lyft
• 43:36
  Speaker 2: world is one billion times safer.
• 43:40
  Speaker 4: So much better than what was before.
• 43:42
  Speaker 2: You're in the back seat. You have your phone. I'm
• 43:45
  Speaker 2: not saying you still, bad things don't happen to you.
• 43:48
  Speaker 2: But like, the whole system is so much better that
• 43:52
  Speaker 2: you can just leave when you want to leave. You
• 43:55
  Speaker 2: don't have to have cash on you. You don't have
• 43:57
  Speaker 2: to have a credit card on you. You just have
• 43:59
  Speaker 2: to have your phone charged.
• 44:02
  Speaker 5: Yes.
• 44:03
  Speaker 4: So much better. Yeah, people don't know the struggle. These
• 44:06
  Speaker 4: kids these days don't know the struggle.
• 44:08
  Speaker 2: Of just the weird situations.
• 44:10
  Speaker 4: Yeah, the places you'd get stuck.
• 44:11
  Speaker 2: And then they never, so they never found this girl
• 44:14
  Speaker 2: because they said, yeah, there was different suspects. But then
• 44:17
  Speaker 2: he was obviously a suspect being the boyfriend. Yeah, they
• 44:21
  Speaker 2: did look at the boyfriend. And because they had this
• 44:22
  Speaker 2: volatile relationship. And how scary that must be.
• 44:26
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 44:26
  Speaker 2: That like, you know, ugh. Like that all of a
• 44:32
  Speaker 2: sudden your spouse is something after your girlfriend and like
• 44:35
  Speaker 2: you're of course the person.
• 44:37
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 44:37
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 44:38
  Speaker 2: Okay, this one was like, this one was from a
• 44:41
  Speaker 2: while back. This girl, Victoria, tell us about her. She
• 44:46
  Speaker 2: was a playmate from like the late 60s, right?
• 44:49
  Speaker 4: Yeah, she was a playmate in the late 60s. She
• 44:51
  Speaker 4: went by the name Angela Dory, and then she was
• 44:52
  Speaker 4: a playmate of the year. And she was close friends
• 44:55
  Speaker 4: with Sharon Tate, and she was really traumatized when the
• 44:57
  Speaker 4: Manson murders happened. And it was always kind of something
• 45:00
  Speaker 4: that was in the back of her head, like, This
• 45:01
  Speaker 4: could happen to me. Somebody gave her a gun to
• 45:04
  Speaker 4: protect herself. Just to remind people, like Sharon Tate was.
• 45:07
  Speaker 2: This beautiful actress.
• 45:07
  Speaker 4: Sorry, I'm just assuming everybody knows.
• 45:08
  Speaker 2: She was a beautiful actress, but young. And she was
• 45:13
  Speaker 2: pregnant with Roman Polanski's child, which Roman Polanski was accused
• 45:21
  Speaker 2: of raping a 13-year-old girl in which he was then
• 45:26
  Speaker 2: left the country. And he's never come back.
• 45:29
  Speaker 4: No, I think he's still in France.
• 45:30
  Speaker 2: And then that case is really weird because that woman is...
• 45:34
  Speaker 2: I don't know, like changed her story or come, I
• 45:36
  Speaker 2: don't know. I don't know if.
• 45:37
  Speaker 4: She's changed her story. I got the impression she's just
• 45:39
  Speaker 4: kind of tired of being known as only that and
• 45:42
  Speaker 4: wants to move on, I think, and just.
• 45:43
  Speaker 2: Wants to let it go. I mean, that is why
• 45:45
  Speaker 2: people don't speak up sometimes because they're like, this was
• 45:49
  Speaker 2: so horrible. I don't want to go through this, you know?
• 45:52
  Speaker 2: And then he's this rich, powerful director and all he
• 45:55
  Speaker 2: had to do was leave. But at the time, that
• 45:57
  Speaker 2: happened after the love of his life, I assume, Sharon
• 46:01
  Speaker 2: Tate and was this very promising actress, beautiful, perfect faith.
• 46:07
  Speaker 2: And she had these friends over and they were staying
• 46:10
  Speaker 2: at the house off of Laurel. And Charles Manson and
• 46:15
  Speaker 2: his weird group, he had gone there already and he
• 46:18
  Speaker 2: believed that this record producer that blew him off because
• 46:21
  Speaker 2: he thought he wanted to be like the next Beatles.
• 46:25
  Speaker 2: So he was, and one day when she was there,
• 46:28
  Speaker 2: he showed up when she was visiting Sharon and And
• 46:31
  Speaker 2: he was looking for the record producer. They're like, he
• 46:33
  Speaker 2: doesn't live here. And that guy's creepy. Then he got
• 46:38
  Speaker 2: his weird cult following guys and girls to go to
• 46:41
  Speaker 2: that house, told them you need to go kill those
• 46:45
  Speaker 2: people in the house. And they did. And that was
• 46:48
  Speaker 2: Sharon Tate Wall, eight months pregnant and her friends. And
• 46:52
  Speaker 2: so there was a very good chance that this girl, Victoria,
• 46:56
  Speaker 2: could have been there but wasn't that night. She wasn't
• 47:00
  Speaker 2: feeling well or something. And I think that's something that
• 47:03
  Speaker 2: can really screw you up. The person that, like, doesn't
• 47:07
  Speaker 2: get on the plane or they have the survivor's guilt.
• 47:09
  Speaker 4: Yeah, survivor's guilt, for sure.
• 47:11
  Speaker 2: Yeah, like when the plane crashes, they need a plane.
• 47:13
  Speaker 2: And in some ways you can be like, oh, my God,
• 47:15
  Speaker 2: you know, God put– there's some great purpose for me,
• 47:19
  Speaker 2: you know, some divine intervention. But then there's this other
• 47:22
  Speaker 2: part I think that really screws you up where– or–
• 47:26
  Speaker 2: and then in her case she thought that somehow maybe
• 47:28
  Speaker 2: they'd be after her.
• 47:30
  Speaker 4: Yeah, so she always had a gun because of that
• 47:32
  Speaker 4: to protect herself. But later in life, she ended up
• 47:35
  Speaker 4: shooting her husband. And luckily, he didn't pass away. He's
• 47:39
  Speaker 4: still with us.
• 47:40
  Speaker 2: But in that one, when I was reading the stuff,
• 47:44
  Speaker 2: it was like, you know, she went on. She still
• 47:47
  Speaker 2: went to a lot of things. And she was still
• 47:49
  Speaker 2: kind of like one of those like the best 50,
• 47:52
  Speaker 2: you know, the 50 greatest. So she was like doing–
• 47:54
  Speaker 2: it sounds like she was posing nude like probably late
• 47:57
  Speaker 2: into her 30s, which was kind of unheard of back then.
• 48:01
  Speaker 2: But then she like met this guy. Then it sounds
• 48:02
  Speaker 2: like they were sort of like not killing it in life.
• 48:05
  Speaker 2: He had some drug issues and she was like a waitress.
• 48:10
  Speaker 2: And in her– in this case that she– the husband
• 48:14
  Speaker 2: was shot and she tried to say it was like
• 48:16
  Speaker 2: a drug– like a drug dealer thing. But what– did
• 48:20
  Speaker 2: she ever do time?
• 48:21
  Speaker 4: I believe she did do time. She's out now.
• 48:25
  Speaker 2: Because she did shoot him in a weird– yeah.
• 48:28
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 48:30
  Speaker 2: Like, I just think there's such fascination, like, with just, like,
• 48:35
  Speaker 2: the beauty goes away and.
• 48:39
  Speaker 4: Yeah, and I think there can just be a lot of,
• 48:41
  Speaker 4: you know, mental health issues that come from being involved
• 48:44
  Speaker 4: in such a high-stakes world where kind of your only
• 48:47
  Speaker 4: value is the way you look and things like that.
• 48:49
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and then just the beauty and, like, getting gifts
• 48:53
  Speaker 2: and all that kind of stuff. And, like, when you
• 48:57
  Speaker 2: were there, like... Would you get many presents?
• 49:02
  Speaker 4: I mean, yeah, we would for holidays and things like that.
• 49:04
  Speaker 2: But it would all be like evened out?
• 49:07
  Speaker 4: Like as far as the girls all getting things?
• 49:09
  Speaker 2: Like everybody would get.
• 49:09
  Speaker 4: Yeah, everybody got the same thing. It was very like
• 49:12
  Speaker 4: even Stevens. And it wouldn't be enough so you ever
• 49:15
  Speaker 4: felt like you were so, you know, rolling in it
• 49:18
  Speaker 4: financially that you felt really freed. leave, you know?
• 49:21
  Speaker 2: Right, because it's like with girls that are, like, in
• 49:23
  Speaker 2: a transactional kind of relationship like that, oftentimes, you know,
• 49:28
  Speaker 2: they do try to get the real Birkins and the
• 49:34
  Speaker 2: real Cartier because it's like that's their only security. And
• 49:38
  Speaker 2: I knew a girl– that lived like that for many years.
• 49:42
  Speaker 2: And she really did try to make this relationship work.
• 49:45
  Speaker 2: And then, you know, he was volatile and everything. And
• 49:47
  Speaker 2: when she went to go leave, she wanted to come
• 49:52
  Speaker 2: back and get her shit. And he had taken it.
• 49:55
  Speaker 2: And that was like her only security for all those years.
• 49:58
  Speaker 2: She was not on a property or anything.
• 50:02
  Speaker 4: I think that must have been what it felt like
• 50:03
  Speaker 4: in the Sandy Bentley case because she was getting all
• 50:05
  Speaker 4: these lavish gifts from this man thinking, okay, these are
• 50:08
  Speaker 4: mine now. So if she had any other money saved,
• 50:11
  Speaker 4: who knows? She might have spent that. And then when
• 50:12
  Speaker 4: they come and say that was actually bought with stolen money,
• 50:16
  Speaker 4: that can be scary because you don't have anything left.
• 50:19
  Speaker 2: Or even like Erika Jayne on The Lost of Beverly Hills.
• 50:22
  Speaker 2: That was a very transactional marriage. And she said, please,
• 50:27
  Speaker 2: I'm not going to have a You know, I never
• 50:29
  Speaker 2: had a prenup. I'm dealing with Tom Girardi. She knew
• 50:33
  Speaker 2: she was fucked. She knew even if she wanted to
• 50:37
  Speaker 2: get divorced, she would be fucked. So in my opinion,
• 50:40
  Speaker 2: in everything I've read, and I've read her book, and
• 50:42
  Speaker 2: I've interviewed her, and I've watched every episode, I think
• 50:45
  Speaker 2: that after 10 years, she was like, I think she tried.
• 50:49
  Speaker 2: I think she was into it. And she was, you know,
• 50:52
  Speaker 2: and then after 10 years, she just kind of was like,
• 50:54
  Speaker 2: you can screw whoever you want. Yeah. I'm going to
• 50:57
  Speaker 2: pursue this other career. And he was like, you spend,
• 51:00
  Speaker 2: you could have this credit card and she spent it.
• 51:03
  Speaker 2: And I mean, she really doesn't have anything to show
• 51:09
  Speaker 2: from those 20 years that she hasn't now built herself
• 51:13
  Speaker 2: in the last five.
• 51:14
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 51:14
  Speaker 4: I mean, thank God she went on the show though.
• 51:16
  Speaker 4: Cause now she, now she has that lifeline.
• 51:18
  Speaker 2: And he, and I asked, I was like, why do
• 51:20
  Speaker 2: you think he would want her on the show when
• 51:22
  Speaker 2: he's doing this corrupt stuff? Yeah.
• 51:25
  Speaker 4: And, um, I don't think they ever think it's going
• 51:27
  Speaker 4: to come out.
• 51:28
  Speaker 2: They never do. That's the narcissistic way. They just think
• 51:31
  Speaker 2: they're smart. And he thought, well, this will just get
• 51:34
  Speaker 2: me more business. There's a lot of people that don't
• 51:37
  Speaker 2: associate me with Aaron Brockovich or don't know. You know,
• 51:40
  Speaker 2: so he thought, oh, this will be great. You know,
• 51:42
  Speaker 2: and this was the trophy. But it was interesting when
• 51:47
  Speaker 2: you look back and then he was like, let me finish.
• 51:50
  Speaker 2: Let me finish, Erica. Like, it was just like a
• 51:53
  Speaker 2: crotchety dick thing. And she just was like, whatever, I'm
• 51:56
  Speaker 2: just going to, you know. Yeah, it's so rude. Get
• 52:00
  Speaker 2: my jewels and whatever. But I mean.
• 52:02
  Speaker 4: But in that power dynamic, you're kind of stuck with it.
• 52:04
  Speaker 2: It sucks. I know. What's that saying? Like anybody that
• 52:07
  Speaker 2: marries for money works hard. It's the hardest job. Like
• 52:12
  Speaker 2: you'll never work harder if that's the reason because you're
• 52:15
  Speaker 2: in this weird. I do. I do.
• 52:18
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 52:18
  Speaker 2: I do think when you agree to it, it is
• 52:20
  Speaker 2: a different. Dynamic. Yeah. You get all the stuff, but
• 52:24
  Speaker 2: you just don't have the say or like you're catering
• 52:28
  Speaker 2: to this person.
• 52:31
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 52:31
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah.
• 52:33
  Speaker 4: It's 24 hours. You're kind of watching your back and
• 52:35
  Speaker 4: making sure you're always doing the right things.
• 52:38
  Speaker 2: Now, what about Crystal Hefter? Have you read her book?
• 52:43
  Speaker 4: It's not out yet, I don't think.
• 52:45
  Speaker 2: Oh, okay. I've been following her and I'm asked her
• 52:48
  Speaker 2: to come on the show and she doesn't, it doesn't respond.
• 52:51
  Speaker 2: But I think she's saving it for herself. I think
• 52:53
  Speaker 2: she's doing her own show.
• 52:55
  Speaker 4: I don't know. I unfollowed her. I was talking to
• 52:57
  Speaker 4: her for a while. I was interested in hearing her
• 52:59
  Speaker 4: story because she said some things before that I really
• 53:01
  Speaker 4: resonated with. But then she started getting like really rude
• 53:04
  Speaker 4: and mean to Bridget on her Instagram stories for no reason.
• 53:08
  Speaker 4: Like they don't even talk. And I'm like, I can't
• 53:10
  Speaker 4: follow her anymore. I can't do this junior high shit.
• 53:13
  Speaker 2: What do you mean? Like she was trying to say
• 53:14
  Speaker 2: stuff back?
• 53:16
  Speaker 4: Not even say stuff back because Bridget wasn't even saying
• 53:18
  Speaker 4: anything about her, but she would do these Q &
• 53:20
  Speaker 4: As on her Instagram story. And as we all know,
• 53:22
  Speaker 4: Q & As are often curated. You know, if you
• 53:24
  Speaker 4: want to say something, wait for somebody to ask you
• 53:27
  Speaker 4: that question.
• 53:28
  Speaker 2: No, I don't really know that. Really? But now that
• 53:31
  Speaker 2: makes sense that you say that.
• 53:32
  Speaker 4: I feel like people do that all the time.
• 53:33
  Speaker 2: You know what? I've had some drama in my own life. life,
• 53:39
  Speaker 2: which I've joked about, and I'm like, I want off
• 53:41
  Speaker 2: on The Real Housewives of Podcasting because I don't enjoy it.
• 53:44
  Speaker 2: I really don't.
• 53:45
  Speaker 4: I wore hoops, by the way, because I'm on stream.
• 53:49
  Speaker 2: But I really don't enjoy it. And it's funny that
• 53:51
  Speaker 2: fans sometimes think it is curated. I'm like, I wish
• 53:56
  Speaker 2: it was that we got into a room and decided
• 53:58
  Speaker 2: to do this together. So I think that never happens.
• 54:02
  Speaker 2: But I do think there's certain people... that will leave
• 54:07
  Speaker 2: a nasty comment under a post. As bait. As bait.
• 54:11
  Speaker 2: Knowing that like a reality blurb or something will grab that,
• 54:15
  Speaker 2: make that a story.
• 54:16
  Speaker 4: They can run back to Reddit.
• 54:18
  Speaker 2: Yeah, now there's a fight. Now you're responding. And because I...
• 54:24
  Speaker 2: But I personally don't like that. To me, it stresses
• 54:28
  Speaker 2: me out and it's not how I run being a
• 54:32
  Speaker 2: stand-up comic or what I do with this show. And so, unfortunately,
• 54:37
  Speaker 2: now that I'm kind of hyper-aware of it, even when
• 54:40
  Speaker 2: somebody's like, oh, this so-and-so said this about you on
• 54:43
  Speaker 2: their podcast, I'm like, Sometimes I'll go listen, but I'm like,
• 54:47
  Speaker 2: I don't want to respond because then it's like now
• 54:50
  Speaker 2: I have the, you know, the micro influencers doing a
• 54:53
  Speaker 2: thing about it and that they're never. And I'm like,
• 54:56
  Speaker 2: and I'm not going to just keep like defending myself.
• 54:58
  Speaker 2: So that I never thought about with the Q &
• 55:00
  Speaker 2: A thing because I've never done the Q & A
• 55:02
  Speaker 2: thing on the Instagram. So meaning like you have someone.
• 55:07
  Speaker 2: or you tell your assistant to go, like, ask the question,
• 55:10
  Speaker 2: or you can put the question up.
• 55:11
  Speaker 4: People could do that, or maybe you know it's something
• 55:12
  Speaker 4: out there people are talking about, and you want to
• 55:15
  Speaker 4: respond to it, but so it seems less out of pocket.
• 55:17
  Speaker 4: You just ask your fans, ask me a question, and
• 55:19
  Speaker 4: hopefully somebody asks it. Or you could ask yourself, I guess.
• 55:22
  Speaker 2: Oh, and then get that drama going.
• 55:24
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 55:25
  Speaker 4: So then she started saying just things that were very
• 55:28
  Speaker 4: hurtful to Bridget, like saying, well, Hef never asked about her.
• 55:30
  Speaker 4: Hef never wanted to see her before he died, and
• 55:33
  Speaker 4: things like that. And, you know, Hef told me that
• 55:35
  Speaker 4: those relationships weren't, weren't even significant in his life and
• 55:39
  Speaker 4: just like really rude, hurtful shit. And I just unfollowed
• 55:43
  Speaker 4: because I don't want to do this junior high BS.
• 55:47
  Speaker 1: No.
• 55:47
  Speaker 4: I'm just like.
• 55:49
  Speaker 2: But the one reason that you kind of connected with
• 55:51
  Speaker 2: her is that she was like, I found all the photos.
• 55:56
  Speaker 2: Some of the photos... right? What was the story there?
• 55:58
  Speaker 4: Yeah, we did connect over that. I was expressing my
• 56:00
  Speaker 4: concern on Secrets of Playboy and saying that one of
• 56:03
  Speaker 4: the many reasons I kind of felt like I didn't
• 56:05
  Speaker 4: want to leave when I was at the mansion is
• 56:07
  Speaker 4: you have all these kind of naked photos of yourself,
• 56:10
  Speaker 4: candid photos from the bedroom. You were wasted. You don't
• 56:13
  Speaker 4: remember taking them. And he puts them all in his scrapbook.
• 56:16
  Speaker 4: And then years later, I found out he wants to
• 56:18
  Speaker 4: donate those scrapbooks to a library.
• 56:19
  Speaker 2: I'm just imagining like a scrapbook like... Of disgusting pictures. No,
• 56:23
  Speaker 2: but like, In my day, when we were before, like, iPhones.
• 56:27
  Speaker 4: Are you picturing, like, stickers and, like, the cutouts?
• 56:29
  Speaker 2: Yeah, there were women that would literally sell, like, a
• 56:32
  Speaker 2: multi-level marketing packaging of scrapbooking. Yeah. And I am, like,
• 56:36
  Speaker 2: totally not crafty. I'm not a Michaels person. I'm horrible
• 56:39
  Speaker 2: at art. I don't frame photos. I never did it. But, like,
• 56:43
  Speaker 2: I'm imagining, like, the cutters of the circle. Like, here
• 56:48
  Speaker 2: we are. Okay. So go on. Yeah.
• 56:50
  Speaker 4: No, his were very basic. It was just, like, a picture, picture,
• 56:52
  Speaker 4: and then names and things like that. So it's kind
• 56:55
  Speaker 4: of gross to know that. It's very revenge porn, like so.
• 56:58
  Speaker 5: Many of these women.
• 56:59
  Speaker 2: Yes, the old-fashioned revenge porn.
• 57:01
  Speaker 4: Yeah, and there's so many of these women who were
• 57:03
  Speaker 4: coming to test for Playmate who maybe never became a
• 57:05
  Speaker 4: Playmate or a girlfriend or nothing ever came out of it.
• 57:07
  Speaker 4: And they have their explicit photos that maybe they were
• 57:11
  Speaker 4: wasted and don't even remember taking with their name on
• 57:13
  Speaker 4: it in the book that he wants to put in
• 57:15
  Speaker 4: the public library.
• 57:16
  Speaker 2: That's gross. What do you mean public library?
• 57:18
  Speaker 4: Well, he wants to, like, donate it to a library.
• 57:20
  Speaker 4: That's what he wanted to do. UCLA has them now.
• 57:24
  Speaker 4: They're just not, like, on display. I'd sue if they
• 57:27
  Speaker 4: went on display, swear to God.
• 57:28
  Speaker 2: Wait a minute. UCLA has some of the actual, like—
• 57:32
  Speaker 2: All of them. I think. I'm pretty sure. So then
• 57:35
  Speaker 2: there were other ones that were even more explicit that
• 57:38
  Speaker 2: were not put in the scrapbook that then she says
• 57:41
  Speaker 2: that she took and threw away or something?
• 57:43
  Speaker 4: Well, explicit ones were, but he had multiple copies of
• 57:46
  Speaker 4: all these photos too. And he had this third story
• 57:49
  Speaker 4: room in– third story of the house, but it was
• 57:51
  Speaker 4: the second story of his bedroom. There was a staircase
• 57:53
  Speaker 4: that went up to it. And it was just like
• 57:55
  Speaker 4: a hoarder mess of like all this extra scrapbooking stuff.
• 57:58
  Speaker 4: So you would literally have mountains of of prints from
• 58:01
  Speaker 4: like his disposable camera and things like that. So I
• 58:03
  Speaker 4: believe that's what she meant when she threw those out.
• 58:06
  Speaker 4: I don't think she went through his scrapbook archive and
• 58:09
  Speaker 4: took out the ones that are not really cool to have.
• 58:13
  Speaker 2: Oh. Yeah.
• 58:13
  Speaker 4: That's what I think.
• 58:15
  Speaker 2: Well, okay, so let's talk a little bit about this
• 58:19
  Speaker 2: Epstein stuff that's coming out.
• 58:20
  Speaker 4: Yeah, that is so... And do we have any details
• 58:24
  Speaker 4: besides what the victims have come forward, like what was
• 58:26
  Speaker 4: going on with these?
• 58:27
  Speaker 2: Well, what I've always said from the beginning of covering
• 58:30
  Speaker 2: this stuff is I was like, I've always thought that
• 58:36
  Speaker 2: the way... Because no one knew how Epstein got so rich.
• 58:40
  Speaker 2: He was... A math teacher that didn't even graduate from
• 58:43
  Speaker 2: college that, like, faked his records to work at a
• 58:46
  Speaker 2: private school, okay? Which sometimes private schools are not as
• 58:49
  Speaker 2: strict as who they hire or whatever. So, you know,
• 58:53
  Speaker 2: and he was young, probably, you know, liking the high
• 58:57
  Speaker 2: school students, whatever. And then he gets into, like, finance.
• 59:01
  Speaker 2: And then he's running the Victoria's Secret guy's money. And
• 59:05
  Speaker 2: then he was always getting more money from people. And
• 59:08
  Speaker 2: nobody really knew why. he was so wealthy. And I
• 59:11
  Speaker 2: always thought, I think he invites these people to his parties.
• 59:17
  Speaker 2: And he's like, oh, I've got young girls around, whatever.
• 59:19
  Speaker 2: And then has a wild party with And then the
• 59:24
  Speaker 2: next day is like, oh, by the way, the girl
• 59:26
  Speaker 2: that gave you a blowjob last night is actually only 16. Yeah.
• 59:30
  Speaker 2: She's not 18. And on top of that, I filmed it.
• 59:35
  Speaker 2: So I hope you're going to donate $ 5 million today. Like,
• 59:39
  Speaker 2: I think that's what I've always thought.
• 59:41
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 59:41
  Speaker 2: And that is what I've heard now is finally coming
• 59:44
  Speaker 2: to fruition in getting all this information, which the mainstream
• 59:48
  Speaker 2: media has. is constantly like, if they do anything about it,
• 59:51
  Speaker 2: they're like, and this person was on the flight log
• 59:55
  Speaker 2: 800 times, and all these people are saying this is
• 59:59
  Speaker 2: what he said, but again, not accused of anything. We're
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 2: not accusing you. I get why they're saying that, but
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 2: I'm still like, okay, so what is it? What do
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 2: you have on these videos? Because I assume that's what
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 2: it is, is that I think some guys came knowing
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 2: that they were going to get with young girls. And
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 2: then I think some just thought that they were– Free vacation.
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 2: Free vacation. And I think some thought these were just
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 2: party girls like the kind that you'd be at Playboy
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 2: Mansion that are young but they're not 16. Yeah. And
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 2: we're going to have some fun and it's consensual or whatever.
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 2: But it's not because they're being trafficked and they're forced
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 2: to be there. And so I think that's what hopefully
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 2: we're going to finally find out. But the Stephen Hawking
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 2: thing is so strange.
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 4: So what I heard most recently was someone was saying–
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 4: that Stephen Hawking liked to watch naked little people solve
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 4: math equations on a blackboard. And I'm like, but I mean,
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 4: I don't mean to make light of it if it's true,
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 4: but that sounds like something somebody would almost say sarcastically, right?
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 4: Like if you're being questioned, like, well, what was Stephen
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 4: Hawking doing on your island? Oh, I don't know. Maybe
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 4: he was watching naked little people solve math equations. Like,
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 4: do you think that's real, or do you think he
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 4: was being sarcastic? It's so out there.
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 2: Well, I mean, there are these accounts that he was
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 2: a freakadink, okay?
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 4: He's been getting a lot of press lately.
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 2: For people that don't know, he is this genius, but
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 2: he was severely handicapped, and I don't know what his
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 2: thing was, but he would, you know, he was confined
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 2: to a wheelchair, and he would have the thing that
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 2: would do— he was able to have talks, so it sounded
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 2: that way. I don't even know what his geniusness is,
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 2: but— Here's a photo of him on Epstein Island where
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 2: they said, enjoys a barbecue on Jeffrey Epstein's Caribbean island,
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 2: Little St. James, while attending a conference on gravity organized
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 2: for 21 of the world's top physicists by Epstein's Foundation
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 2: on neighboring island St. Thomas. So he would have all these, again, parties.
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 2: And I think also he– Along with trafficking young girls
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 2: and being a horrible, disgusting person, Jeffrey Epstein, he was
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 2: always involved with all these science. And along with his science,
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 2: he wanted to impregnate all these women in– he was
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 2: building this thing in New Mexico.
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 4: Do you remember that story where he was going to
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 4: like– Well, I heard Peter Nygaard had something to do
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 4: with that too. Did you watch the Peter Nygaard documentary?
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 2: Now, remind us of that story. There's so much.
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 4: He was a fashion guy from Canada who got in
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 4: a lot of trouble for similar things.
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 2: And he, yeah, and they, were they, and they, no,
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 2: so they were not connected, him or Epstein, or were they?
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 4: Not that I know of. I just remember.
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 2: So many creeps in the last few years.
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 4: I can't keep track of them. There was, I just
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 4: remember watching on the Peter Nygaard documentary, there was some
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 4: footage of him talking with a friend about how they
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 4: wanted to, like, make all these like genetically superior humans
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 4: or something. It was really weird.
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 2: Yes. And it was so, yeah. And I just still,
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 2: I'm like, where, I just don't understand where Ghislaine Maxwell,
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 2: like why she didn't share more, like why she is
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 2: going to be in prison forever, like forever. And it's
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 2: just crazy that I mean, listen, she's a piece of shit.
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 2: She's an awful, disgusting person. And I think she's truly
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 2: the coyote that, you know, plays with the puppy and
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 2: makes him think that he's a dog. And then the
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 2: rest of the coyotes come and kill him. Like, that
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 2: is who a woman trafficker is. Yeah, 100%. A woman
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 2: female trafficker is, you know, and there's... It's so disgusting
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 2: to think that there's any of them, but they exist
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 2: a lot. And she was one of them. And I
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 2: think for her... Like everyone was– I kept thinking, well,
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 2: you know, they had her before her trial staying in
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 2: very poor conditions in a prison. And I'm like, aren't
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 2: they getting her to like spill the beans?
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 2: But then I don't know. There's just so many cover-ups
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 2: and stuff. And I'm like, maybe she did spill the beans.
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 4: Maybe we just don't know.
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 2: And it was the wrong bean. And they're like, no,
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 2: we don't want him. We actually want him. So unless
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 2: your story lines up with this person, we really don't
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 2: even want to hear about this person. I don't know.
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 2: But it seems like there were– A lot of powerful
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 2: people from all sides of the political spectrum, including the royals,
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 2: that are involved in this. And, like, I just want
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 2: to know it all. And then meanwhile, while this is
• 1:04:38
  Speaker 2: going on and every article is like, oh, wow, we
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 2: got more info. But they don't tell us the info.
• 1:04:44
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:04:44
  Speaker 2: And then they're like, by the way, there's, like, aliens
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 2: in Miami.
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 4: Yeah, it's like speaking of aliens, it's like when Tucker
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 4: Carlson always goes on these shows and says he knows
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 4: the whole alien thing, but he can't tell anybody because
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 4: it would blow everybody's mind.
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 1: Tell us.
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 4: Why are you bragging that you know and you're not
• 1:04:59
  Speaker 4: telling us? That drives me up a wall.
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 2: Yeah, like exactly.
• 1:05:03
  Speaker 4: You can't throw out the bait and not reel it in.
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 3: I know.
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 2: Or even if it's a sub girl on TikTok that's like.
• 1:05:08
  Speaker 2: Let me tell you about the worst celebrity that I dated.
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 4: Yeah, and then all the comments are like names or
• 1:05:13
  Speaker 4: it didn't happen.
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 2: Yeah, or like what– like again, like it's just so annoying.
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 4: I get it why sometimes you can't obviously, but we
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 4: want to know about the aliens.
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and I want to– I'm like when can we
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 2: actually– when can we see these, you know, providing– like
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 2: if there's really video of like– president getting a BJ
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 2: from a girl that we can prove was under 18
• 1:05:42
  Speaker 2: at the time. And it's saying, yes, I was trafficked.
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 2: I did this to this president. This was the day.
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 2: This is my ID. Why can't we know that now?
• 1:05:56
  Speaker 4: I don't know.
• 1:05:57
  Speaker 2: It's so weird. What is this?
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 4: So strange.
• 1:06:00
  Speaker 2: Because it's like, I really think it's interesting because Matt Murphy,
• 1:06:03
  Speaker 2: who's a friend of mine, he's a former prosecutor. And
• 1:06:05
  Speaker 2: I just saw a little clip on his Instagram of
• 1:06:07
  Speaker 2: him talking about this. He's like the people that associated
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 2: with Epstein, like before 2008, that's when he was actually caught.
• 1:06:18
  Speaker 2: And for these like girls that were like 14 living
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 2: in the town over and they were all like, they
• 1:06:25
  Speaker 2: were poor girls and they would say to each other, like, Come.
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 4: Give him a massage.
• 1:06:32
  Speaker 2: Yeah, come give him a massage. You get $ 200, and
• 1:06:35
  Speaker 2: it's really not that bad. He's like an old creep,
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 2: but it's really not that bad. And, like, we get $ 200.
• 1:06:39
  Speaker 2: We get $ 250, whatever. They were young. And when that
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 2: all got cracked open, then— and he got some ridiculous sentence
• 1:06:49
  Speaker 2: where he would just go to the prison, like, on
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 2: the weekends from, like, 8 to 5. After that is
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 2: when people— he was having dinner parties, and celebrities were going.
• 1:06:57
  Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah.
• 1:06:59
  Speaker 2: That's creepy. And it's like Google existed.
• 1:07:00
  Speaker 6: Yeah, totally.
• 1:07:01
  Speaker 2: The news existed, but you still chose to go.
• 1:07:04
  Speaker 4: Yeah, that's gross.
• 1:07:06
  Speaker 2: And again, you know, maybe you, I forgive someone once
• 1:07:11
  Speaker 2: for being like, okay, I was new, you know, I'm
• 1:07:14
  Speaker 2: just getting invited to some A-list shit. Yeah. you know,
• 1:07:18
  Speaker 2: Katie Kirk invited me. Next thing I know, we're at
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 2: Jeffrey Epstein's house.
• 1:07:22
  Speaker 4: Or this random guy asked to take a picture with
• 1:07:23
  Speaker 4: me and I didn't really know him, you know?
• 1:07:25
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 1:07:25
  Speaker 2: I mean, like Chelsea Handler tells us, tells a story.
• 1:07:27
  Speaker 2: And I remember she told it when we were working
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 2: together and, and it was that whoever she was with,
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 2: it was Katie Kirk or somebody said, would you want
• 1:07:36
  Speaker 2: to go to this, you know, Jeffrey Epstein's house? And,
• 1:07:39
  Speaker 2: I don't know if she even put it together at
• 1:07:41
  Speaker 2: the time. And then she sat next to Woody Allen
• 1:07:44
  Speaker 2: and Woody Allen's daughter was there. And her famous joke
• 1:07:47
  Speaker 2: that she would tell is that she said to Woody Allen, oh,
• 1:07:50
  Speaker 2: and how did you two meet? Because that was just.
• 1:07:54
  Speaker 2: It's a really good story.
• 1:07:55
  Speaker 5: It is.
• 1:07:56
  Speaker 2: It's a really good. I don't know if it really
• 1:07:57
  Speaker 2: happened that way, but it's a great joke. And she
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 2: told it years ago and she's told it recently. Now,
• 1:08:05
  Speaker 2: there's these logs. that I don't really know if they're true.
• 1:08:09
  Speaker 2: And there's just all these names and they're going around.
• 1:08:12
  Speaker 2: And I'm like, but did she really go? I think
• 1:08:15
  Speaker 2: that's the only time she went. And I'm like, did
• 1:08:17
  Speaker 2: she really go to the island? And she and Jimmy
• 1:08:20
  Speaker 2: Kimmel and Whoopi Goldberg are all being like, we did
• 1:08:22
  Speaker 2: not hang out with Jeffrey Epstein. And there's no proof
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 2: to that. But there's all this other proof. So show that.
• 1:08:31
  Speaker 2: Show these videotapes and things. It's just so annoying.
• 1:08:36
  Speaker 4: Yeah, it's really weird.
• 1:08:38
  Speaker 2: And I'm like, and the alien thing is just like,
• 1:08:43
  Speaker 2: I don't even know. So I guess the theory is
• 1:08:45
  Speaker 2: that aliens do exist or they don't, or they're faking
• 1:08:50
  Speaker 2: stuff to make it look like aliens are coming down
• 1:08:52
  Speaker 2: to distract us from all of this. That could be.
• 1:08:55
  Speaker 2: Like the submarine thing that explodes.
• 1:09:00
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 2: I mean, now that it's been a few months, let's
• 1:09:04
  Speaker 2: just think about how fucking weird that was. Right. That
• 1:09:08
  Speaker 2: was controlled.
• 1:09:09
  Speaker 4: By like a video game controller.
• 1:09:11
  Speaker 2: Yeah. The biggest billionaires, some of the biggest billionaires in
• 1:09:16
  Speaker 2: the world decided to go on that.
• 1:09:18
  Speaker 4: Rinky dink.
• 1:09:20
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's weird. And I think there was something else
• 1:09:24
  Speaker 2: going on in the world at that time that was
• 1:09:26
  Speaker 2: like– Yeah, I forget.
• 1:09:27
  Speaker 4: What it is, but you're right.
• 1:09:28
  Speaker 2: It was a big distraction because that was all it
• 1:09:30
  Speaker 2: was talking about. And they're like, oh, my gosh, they
• 1:09:33
  Speaker 2: have 12 more hours before they all die. And then
• 1:09:36
  Speaker 2: they prove that if this was even true, it exploded
• 1:09:39
  Speaker 2: like– or they were probably all dead hour, you know,
• 1:09:45
  Speaker 2: days before it exploded. But then there is a woman
• 1:09:48
  Speaker 2: that's like, no, my son is dead. And he was part,
• 1:09:50
  Speaker 2: I don't know. It's just like, it's very, it's a
• 1:09:53
  Speaker 2: very interesting time. And I'm not, it is weird. And
• 1:09:56
  Speaker 2: I don't think it makes you a conspiracy theorist or
• 1:09:58
  Speaker 2: whatever to watch this stuff and question it too. I
• 1:10:01
  Speaker 2: don't know that it's true. You know, like, I don't
• 1:10:03
  Speaker 2: know that it's, I don't know that there's aliens. I've
• 1:10:06
  Speaker 2: never seen one.
• 1:10:07
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I know. I kind of want to. I mean,
• 1:10:13
  Speaker 4: I heard it's awful, but I.
• 1:10:14
  Speaker 2: Kind of want to. Didn't they find someone that's like
• 1:10:16
  Speaker 2: a little– there was a little one in Mexico or something.
• 1:10:19
  Speaker 2: They found like some– A little alien? Yeah, they found
• 1:10:21
  Speaker 2: their tomb. They found these like buried bodies that are
• 1:10:25
  Speaker 2: not– Oh, was that real? Who knows? I saw a
• 1:10:31
  Speaker 2: really funny TikTok of yours where you were talking about
• 1:10:33
  Speaker 2: how you're freaked out by the baby dolls. Oh, the
• 1:10:37
  Speaker 2: real baby dolls.
• 1:10:38
  Speaker 4: OK, so first, before I talk about it, I have
• 1:10:40
  Speaker 4: to acknowledge that there are people who love these baby
• 1:10:43
  Speaker 4: dolls and they are used, I think, sometimes for therapy
• 1:10:45
  Speaker 4: for people who are grieving. So acknowledge that like you're
• 1:10:47
  Speaker 4: not weird if you like the baby doll. But I
• 1:10:49
  Speaker 4: think the baby dolls themselves and the fact that they're
• 1:10:52
  Speaker 4: mass produced is weird because they.
• 1:10:54
  Speaker 2: Now they're mass produced? I always thought they were like
• 1:10:56
  Speaker 2: a hard thing. I don't know. Aren't they very expensive?
• 1:10:58
  Speaker 2: They're probably expensive.
• 1:10:59
  Speaker 4: But I think anybody can get them. Like I think
• 1:11:01
  Speaker 4: there's like hobbyists and stuff who like collect them. But
• 1:11:04
  Speaker 4: these baby dolls, if you don't know, look like a
• 1:11:06
  Speaker 4: real baby. They're so realistic.
• 1:11:08
  Speaker 2: They're like their hair isn't perfect. They're a little blotchy. Yeah.
• 1:11:13
  Speaker 4: And I feel like if I saw one even across
• 1:11:15
  Speaker 4: the room and it was like laying where I think
• 1:11:16
  Speaker 4: it was a real baby that somebody dropped.
• 1:11:19
  Speaker 5: Right.
• 1:11:19
  Speaker 2: It's terrifying.
• 1:11:20
  Speaker 4: Or like what happens when somebody's like, oh, I don't
• 1:11:21
  Speaker 4: need this anymore.
• 1:11:22
  Speaker 2: Goodwill bag.
• 1:11:23
  Speaker 4: Like what if you found that?
• 1:11:25
  Speaker 2: What if you found one in the garbage?
• 1:11:27
  Speaker 4: I'm so freaked out by those. I'm freaked out.
• 1:11:29
  Speaker 2: Yes. Freaked out.
• 1:11:31
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:11:31
  Speaker 2: I can't deal.
• 1:11:31
  Speaker 4: I can't deal. And then people in the comments were saying, oh, yeah,
• 1:11:34
  Speaker 4: you know, we get calls like I work at the
• 1:11:37
  Speaker 4: police station or whatever. We get calls because people find
• 1:11:39
  Speaker 4: these and they think it's a real baby in the dumpster. Scary.
• 1:11:43
  Speaker 2: Oh, really? Terrifying. Yeah. Oh, my God. Yeah. I always
• 1:11:47
  Speaker 2: thought that was a really weird.
• 1:11:50
  Speaker 4: Anytime I see like a TikTok of one come up, I'm.
• 1:11:52
  Speaker 1: Like, I don't want to see it.
• 1:11:54
  Speaker 2: Yeah. You know, it is crazy.
• 1:11:57
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:11:58
  Speaker 2: I mean. I thought that was really funny how you
• 1:12:01
  Speaker 2: were just like, I'm really freaked out by it. Anyway, well,
• 1:12:05
  Speaker 2: this was really juicy. I don't know what Stephen Hawking's
• 1:12:09
  Speaker 2: is up to. I'm sending you this TikTok because you've
• 1:12:13
  Speaker 2: never seen it.
• 1:12:14
  Speaker 4: Okay, so there's the sprinkle sprinkle lady on YouTube. She
• 1:12:17
  Speaker 4: gives dating advice. It's always very much about getting your
• 1:12:20
  Speaker 4: bag and not putting up with bullshit.
• 1:12:21
  Speaker 2: And then she says, sprinkle, sprinkle. And she goes, sprinkle what?
• 1:12:25
  Speaker 2: Sprinkle the money? I don't know what it means.
• 1:12:27
  Speaker 4: I always pictured it like glitter or raining money or something.
• 1:12:30
  Speaker 2: I don't know.
• 1:12:31
  Speaker 4: But she says, sprinkle, sprinkle. And there's just this really
• 1:12:33
  Speaker 4: funny video of her talking about how Stephen Hawking cheated
• 1:12:36
  Speaker 4: on his wife. And even Stephen Hawking is cheating on
• 1:12:38
  Speaker 4: his wife.
• 1:12:39
  Speaker 2: Totally.
• 1:12:39
  Speaker 4: So you can't trust any man. I'm sending you the TikTok.
• 1:12:41
  Speaker 4: It's so funny.
• 1:12:42
  Speaker 2: No, it's true. It's like, yeah.
• 1:12:44
  Speaker 4: Any guy, any time, any place.
• 1:12:47
  Speaker 5: Right.
• 1:12:47
  Speaker 4: He has two minutes to himself.
• 1:12:49
  Speaker 5: You never know.
• 1:12:50
  Speaker 2: Right. It's just like, yeah, just, yeah, you literally are
• 1:12:54
  Speaker 2: not attractive and But, you know, that's the thing. Even
• 1:13:00
  Speaker 2: if it's not Stephen Hawking, even if it's just like
• 1:13:02
  Speaker 2: an average guy and you're like, you know what?
• 1:13:06
  Speaker 4: You're feeling confident.
• 1:13:07
  Speaker 2: Yeah, he's really not that cute, but he's nice and
• 1:13:10
  Speaker 2: the cute guys haven't worked out. So I'm going to
• 1:13:13
  Speaker 2: go for this guy that's not that cute, but whatever.
• 1:13:16
  Speaker 2: just know that that guy then by you, by you
• 1:13:20
  Speaker 2: lowering your standards to be with this person for whatever
• 1:13:23
  Speaker 2: lowering your standards are, that boosts that guy's confidence so
• 1:13:26
  Speaker 2: much that he's like, if I can get this girl,
• 1:13:30
  Speaker 2: which is you, what else can I get?
• 1:13:33
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 1:13:34
  Speaker 4: I think we've all kind of done that in our
• 1:13:36
  Speaker 4: dating lives. It's like this guy will be pursuing you
• 1:13:38
  Speaker 4: and maybe you're not that into him, but maybe you've
• 1:13:40
  Speaker 4: been through a string of bad guys and you're like,
• 1:13:42
  Speaker 4: But this guy seems really into me. And he's like,
• 1:13:44
  Speaker 4: you know, he'll be safe. He'll be like, you know, whatever.
• 1:13:47
  Speaker 2: And then, no, it ends up like cheating the worst
• 1:13:49
  Speaker 2: or something. You're like, maybe this is meant to be.
• 1:13:50
  Speaker 2: If he's this into me, maybe he's right. And maybe
• 1:13:53
  Speaker 2: we are meant to be together. And then you're like–
• 1:13:55
  Speaker 2: then you lower your standards. And then, yeah.
• 1:13:58
  Speaker 4: And then– The worst one.
• 1:14:00
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:14:00
  Speaker 2: So, like, go for the best guy. Yeah. Also, the cuter,
• 1:14:04
  Speaker 2: better guys are confident in themselves. Like, they're not– sometimes
• 1:14:08
  Speaker 2: they're not the ones– That are cheating because– or, you know,
• 1:14:13
  Speaker 2: taking advantage of women or whatever because they were always cute.
• 1:14:16
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:14:17
  Speaker 2: So they got the girlfriend in high school and it
• 1:14:18
  Speaker 2: wasn't hard. Yeah, they've been there, done that.
• 1:14:19
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:14:20
  Speaker 2: And, like, if it didn't work out, it was kind
• 1:14:21
  Speaker 2: of a mutual didn't work out. It wasn't like, no
• 1:14:24
  Speaker 2: girl has liked me for 30 years, but now you do. Yeah.
• 1:14:30
  Speaker 2: Oh my gosh. Well, I'm so glad you came and
• 1:14:32
  Speaker 2: I'm so happy for your success and that you're doing
• 1:14:36
  Speaker 2: so many different things.
• 1:14:37
  Speaker 4: You know what I have to say? When I listen
• 1:14:39
  Speaker 4: to your podcast and the thumbnail comes up, you know
• 1:14:41
  Speaker 4: those apps that will make AI finish your picture? Yeah.
• 1:14:45
  Speaker 4: Like you see part of a picture and the AI
• 1:14:47
  Speaker 4: will like draw the rest of it. I always picture
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  Speaker 4: the rest.
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  Speaker 2: Of that picture.
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  Speaker 4: Do you remember Kim Kardashian's Playboy cover? And she's wearing
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  Speaker 4: like this red halter pinup bathing suit. And she's like
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  Speaker 4: sitting on her knees and perched like that. That's the
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  Speaker 4: rest of the picture in my mind. Because you're like
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  Speaker 4: in the same pose, like you'll never unsee it if
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  Speaker 4: you look at that cover.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, my God.
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  Speaker 4: You're in like a pinup heels and pinup suit.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, my gosh. Listen, if a Juicy Skipper wants to
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  Speaker 2: finish the photo with your Canva or whatever skill set
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  Speaker 2: you have for Photoshopping, I would love it to have
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  Speaker 2: the Kim Kardashian ass of 20 years ago from the Playboy.
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  Speaker 2: That would be amazing.
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  Speaker 4: I need to see it.
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  Speaker 2: I love it. So tell everybody where they can watch
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  Speaker 2: this as well as your podcast and everything else you're doing.
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  Speaker 4: So Playboy Murder Season 2 premieres on Monday, January 22nd
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  Speaker 4: on ID. After that, it'll be streaming on Max. And
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  Speaker 4: there's seven episodes this season. And after that, my new series,
• 1:15:40
  Speaker 4: Lethally Blonde, will premiere.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, wait.
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  Speaker 2: And what's that about?
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  Speaker 4: It's another true crime series. It's all about people from
• 1:15:46
  Speaker 4: fascinating backgrounds, but it's not Playboy specific. So it's a
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  Speaker 4: little bit similar to this.
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  Speaker 2: But is every girl a blonde? No, no, no. I'm
• 1:15:54
  Speaker 2: the blonde. Oh, you're the blonde.
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  Speaker 4: We have cases that center around men, too, and things. Oh, okay.
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  Speaker 4: They just all have to be really interesting. That's the
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  Speaker 4: one criteria.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's what I'm into. It has to be, like,
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  Speaker 2: I'm not into serial killing stories, like anything too, like, graphic.
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  Speaker 2: I like more like what was the motivation to lead
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  Speaker 2: you to the murder. That's the kind of stuff that
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  Speaker 2: fascinates me. Yeah, or the one mistake or everything was
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  Speaker 2: great in your life and you just met this person
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  Speaker 2: and you decided to cheat on your husband and now
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  Speaker 2: fucking look at your life. Two years ago, you were
• 1:16:30
  Speaker 2: at the country club. Now you're behind the bars.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, because I watch some of these cases and everything
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  Speaker 4: leading up to it. I'm like, well, those are choices
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  Speaker 4: I would have made, you know, and it just takes such.
• 1:16:38
  Speaker 2: A wrong turn. Yeah, I love it. And then your podcast?
• 1:16:42
  Speaker 4: Girls Next Level. It drops every Monday.
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  Speaker 2: We love it.
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  Speaker 4: It's so fun.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, good, good. Well, thank you so much for coming.
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  Speaker 4: Thanks for having me.
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  Speaker 2: Thanks. The car is beautiful. Where did you end up
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  Speaker 2: going for it?
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  Speaker 3: This exclusive place that Dad has connections with. they have
• 1:16:57
  Speaker 3: more cars for more dealerships than like anywhere.
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  Speaker 2: Else you have to put me in touch what's it called.
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  Speaker 3: It's dune adl where dune adl there's an accent on
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  Speaker 3: the e do you mean yes i got it on
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  Speaker 3: done deal cars lift please you're going past oh kimmage
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  Speaker 3: no done deal cars you couldn't possibly go anywhere else