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"PSA Presents: The Pundies." · Pod Save America

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  Speaker 1: We'll be right back.
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  Speaker 2: Welcome to Pod Save America. I'm Jon Favreau.
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  Speaker 1: I'm Jon Lovett. I'm Tommy Vitor.
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  Speaker 2: On today's pod, we'll talk about how we did with
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  Speaker 2: our 2020 New Year's resolutions and make some new ones
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  Speaker 2: for 2021. But before that, we're starting a new tradition
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  Speaker 2: here at Pod Save America where we take a look
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  Speaker 2: back at the worst takes of the year, including our own.
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  Speaker 2: Welcome to the first annual Pundies.
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  Speaker 1: Accountability is coming back. It's back in style.
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  Speaker 2: The pundies. A few quick notes before we get started.
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  Speaker 2: A new episode of Gaining Ground, The New Georgia, drops Tuesday.
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  Speaker 2: let's get to it. We are going to start with
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  Speaker 2: everyone else's bad takes. And then we're going to work
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  Speaker 2: our way to our.
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  Speaker 1: Own bad takes. If we have time.
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  Speaker 2: Tommy, if we have time.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, who knows?
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  Speaker 2: We might be out of time before it's... It's a podcast.
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  Speaker 2: They only give us so much time on this thing. Tommy,
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  Speaker 2: you got a bad take?
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  Speaker 3: Well, look, we learned the hard way that predictions are
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  Speaker 3: not the best idea in 2016.
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  Speaker 1: So we tried to steer clear of them this cycle.
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  Speaker 3: That doesn't mean that others in the take industrial complex
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  Speaker 3: followed suit. So I just took some headlines, I think,
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  Speaker 3: that were about Joe Biden that are kind of worthy.
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  Speaker 1: I'm not going to.
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  Speaker 3: Name names necessarily because no reason to be that mean.
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  Speaker 3: But You know, the Boston Globe had an op-ed that
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  Speaker 3: said the new rules of electability mean Joe Biden can't win.
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  Speaker 3: That one felt a touch off. Safe candidates lose. Passionate
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  Speaker 3: crusaders win. When you write your checks or vote in
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  Speaker 3: your primary, go with your gut. Hey, that last sentence,
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  Speaker 3: I'm all for it. But the first part, maybe not.
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  Speaker 3: USA Today, Joe Biden can't beat Donald Trump or restore decency.
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  Speaker 3: You know, I guess jury.
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  Speaker 1: Sell out on half of that one, maybe.
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  Speaker 2: Was that the USA Today editorial board?
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  Speaker 1: No, it was an opinion contributor. Fuck that person. Okay, John.
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  Speaker 3: Politico article from March 13th. A Never Biden movement vows
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  Speaker 3: not to vote for Joe. On Tuesday night, Joe Biden's
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  Speaker 3: campaign was celebrating his latest primary night triumph. By Wednesday morning,
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  Speaker 3: Never Biden, write in Bernie, Dem exit 2020 hashtags began
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  Speaker 3: trending on Twitter.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, no. Oh, no, not trending. Not so much. Not
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  Speaker 1: so much.
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  Speaker 3: You know, there's a whole cottage industry of takes that
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  Speaker 3: Joe Biden was in cognitive decline. I feel like all
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  Speaker 3: of those people should feel quite bad about those takes. Basically,
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  Speaker 3: everything written by the Wall Street Journal editorial page about
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  Speaker 3: Tony Bobulinski and Hunter Biden didn't quite pan out.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know. I'll pause there. I mean, I have
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  Speaker 1: one more when we come back. But, you know, your thoughts.
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  Speaker 2: I should say, by the way, to everyone, like these
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  Speaker 2: aren't necessarily all the worst takes of the year because
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  Speaker 2: one group of people. I imagine we're probably going to
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  Speaker 2: leave out. I am are like, like Donald Trump, everyone
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  Speaker 2: associated with his campaign and like Fox news and Newsmax,
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  Speaker 2: like obviously all of their takes are the fucking worst,
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  Speaker 2: but like we, we've been saying that all year. So
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  Speaker 2: we're really trying to branch out with the other takes as,
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  Speaker 2: as Tommy has done with his love it, love it.
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  Speaker 1: What do you think? So, you know, it's funny. I,
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  Speaker 1: I'm just also like, obviously, Joe Biden winning was good
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  Speaker 1: for a variety of reasons. I don't want to overstate it.
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  Speaker 1: But one thing you do see is that there are
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  Speaker 1: a lot of people who invested a lot of energy
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  Speaker 1: in the argument that he couldn't win for a variety
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  Speaker 1: of reasons that were important to what they would be
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  Speaker 1: saying right now had he lost. And I'm really glad
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  Speaker 1: that those arguments are not around right now. I just
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  Speaker 1: think it's a very good thing. Totally agree.
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  Speaker 3: If your role in politics is slowly polishing your take
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  Speaker 3: about why the person who isn't quite liberal enough for
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  Speaker 3: you and your party didn't win and why you were right,
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  Speaker 3: I have very little time for you.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. And I will say also, it's funny listening to
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  Speaker 1: those takes about why there's never Biden hashtags, whatever. I
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  Speaker 1: always think about, it's just like a fact that has
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  Speaker 1: stuck with me my whole life, which is that there
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  Speaker 1: was a poll that showed a majority of primary voters
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  Speaker 1: would never, ever support Bill Clinton as the Democratic nominee,
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  Speaker 1: like weeks before he became the Democratic nominee. And it's
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  Speaker 1: worth remembering for all of us that even opinions we
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  Speaker 1: hold about politics that we think are immutable will change really,
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  Speaker 1: really fast. Yeah. As Ted Lasso says, be a goldfish.
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  Speaker 1: You know, we just forget. That's fine. I'm going to
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  Speaker 1: watch that over the break. It's so good. Can I
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  Speaker 1: just play you one more, guys?
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  Speaker 2: I'm so glad you finally got into it.
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  Speaker 3: So we're going to throw to some audio because I
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  Speaker 3: think this might be the most accurate, but also the
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  Speaker 3: worst take rolled into one.
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  Speaker 1: And I want to enjoy it with you and watch
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  Speaker 1: your faces. I feel like this is us. I feel
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  Speaker 1: like this is us. Ladies and gentlemen, leaders and fighters
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  Speaker 1: for freedom and liberty and the American dream. The best
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  Speaker 1: is yet to come. That was Kim Guilfoyle. She was right.
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  Speaker 1: She was right.
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  Speaker 2: The best is yet to come. Joe Biden won the election.
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  Speaker 2: Kim Guilfoyle gave a good take there.
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  Speaker 1: Well, in the middle was mass death, but yes. That's true.
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  Speaker 1: That's true. I filmed a little video of Pundit running
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  Speaker 1: around in the snow and she was just like throwing
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  Speaker 1: her face into this like fresh white powder. Okay. It
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  Speaker 1: was an adorable, it's an unrelated. What? I don't, it
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  Speaker 1: was just a cute thing I saw. Pundits do takes, yeah.
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  Speaker 1: I have a bad take.
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  Speaker 2: There were several times over the last year, really over
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  Speaker 2: the last four years, where journalists and pundits had an
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  Speaker 2: insatiable urge to believe that 74-year-old Donald Trump had finally
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  Speaker 2: changed his ways.
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  Speaker 1: Let's take a listen. I think we have a clip.
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  Speaker 2: He became president of the United States in that moment, period.
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  Speaker 1: 82% of people who saw the speech called Mr. Trump presidential,
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  Speaker 1: including a majority of Democrats. The president had a very
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  Speaker 1: steady tone. I didn't count a single insult. If Trump
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  Speaker 1: continues with this tone and temperament, if he continues with
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  Speaker 1: what he was doing before, who knows where Americans will
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  Speaker 1: be in the next few days or weeks. The Donald
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  Speaker 1: Trump that we saw today here at the Times was
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  Speaker 1: a different tone. He sounded positive.
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  Speaker 3: He seemingly recognized the power of his office. President Trump
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  Speaker 3: seems sobered by these first 40 days in office, didn't he?
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  Speaker 3: Then today, another speech and a starkly different tone.
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  Speaker 1: Striking a different tone. Dramatic change in tone. Strikingly different tone.
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  Speaker 1: Tone was markedly different. Significantly changing his tone.
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  Speaker 2: Stunning change in tone from just last Friday. In his
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  Speaker 2: first White House coronavirus briefing in months, President Trump sharply
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  Speaker 2: changed his tone.
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  Speaker 1: Now we have a significant shift in tone. It was
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  Speaker 1: a totally different message and different tone.
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  Speaker 3: I do think this press conference will be remembered for
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  Speaker 3: the change in tone from the president.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, first of all, thank you to Yale for
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  Speaker 2: putting that compilation together.
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  Speaker 1: Great library music. Great library music. Great music choice. Really important.
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  Speaker 2: I can't wait to share that on social media. There's
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  Speaker 2: a video component to all of that. So we'll put
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  Speaker 2: that out.
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  Speaker 3: I can recognize a lot of those voices. A lot
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  Speaker 3: of those people are very smart. I don't know how
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  Speaker 3: you get pulled into saying this shit.
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  Speaker 1: Four years.
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  Speaker 2: I think the new tone stuff, particularly around COVID, will
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  Speaker 2: always get me the angriest. Although it's funny because at
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  Speaker 2: the time, this is how he became president around striking Syria.
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  Speaker 1: Or not striking Syria.
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  Speaker 2: That was the old winner for making me the most
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  Speaker 2: mad about new tone. But the COVID stuff really took
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  Speaker 2: the cake. Remember after that first press conference and they
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  Speaker 2: were all like, oh, wow, he's very presidential now. He's
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  Speaker 2: really taking this seriously. Yeah, that panned out.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean, just it does seem that there was
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  Speaker 1: like I think that there are a mix of motivations. Obviously,
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  Speaker 1: every person has different motivations. I think at times it
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  Speaker 1: was sort of fanciful thinking, like a desire for it
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  Speaker 1: to be true. At times it was a desire to
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  Speaker 1: just say something different. And then there was also this
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  Speaker 1: moment where there was this sort of idea that like
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  Speaker 1: if enough reporters start rewarding Trump for having a better tone,
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  Speaker 1: it would be reinforced and might have a positive result.
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  Speaker 1: But here we are from day one to the coup.
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  Speaker 1: Didn't work. Yeah, this hasn't worked.
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  Speaker 2: Any other you guys got any there are some outside
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  Speaker 2: bad takes.
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  Speaker 1: I will say this is a subtler bad take because I.
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  Speaker 1: I think that there have been some incredibly frustrating Nate
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  Speaker 1: Silver takes and some incredibly frustrating anti-Nate Silver takes. And
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  Speaker 1: here is where I have landed on all of this,
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  Speaker 1: which is- Both sides in this one, huh? In fairness,
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  Speaker 1: I will. I will. Absolutely. In fairness to my mathy friends,
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  Speaker 1: to the modelers, I don't believe Nate Silver ever over-interprets
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  Speaker 1: the model that he has built. But what frustrates me
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  Speaker 1: is that there is a kind of, there's the creation
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  Speaker 1: of these models, then there is an argument that says,
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  Speaker 1: don't over-interpret these models. Don't take these things too seriously.
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  Speaker 1: They can't say more than exactly what we say they
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  Speaker 1: can say. But you can't lament the fact that the
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  Speaker 1: model is being over-interpreted when the model exists and succeeds
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  Speaker 1: so that people who aren't as familiar with the statistics
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  Speaker 1: can over-interpret it. And so it's like at a certain point,
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  Speaker 1: the bad take is believing assigning a percentage of to
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  Speaker 1: an election has value and can be interpreted broadly in
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  Speaker 1: a way that's helpful to anybody. That's my model take
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  Speaker 1: after election two of the models being frustrating, not that
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  Speaker 1: they were wrong.
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  Speaker 3: Well, I also just think there's a very helpful part
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  Speaker 3: of it where they're just sort of compiling polls and
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  Speaker 3: doing sort of statistical analysis. But then they sort of
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  Speaker 3: jam in a bunch of factors that are kind of
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  Speaker 3: impossible to quantify, like press coverage or fundraising or things
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  Speaker 3: that it's like, how are you deciding how that's weighted?
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  Speaker 2: The thing that most frustrated me is, and we'll get
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  Speaker 2: to polls at one point, but like there's this, there,
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  Speaker 2: there was a take after the polls were up this
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  Speaker 2: time that it's like, well, um, you know, the polls
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  Speaker 2: weren't so far off in a lot of places and
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  Speaker 2: they weren't so bad in comparison to history mobile. It's like, okay,
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  Speaker 2: if the tipping point state is Wisconsin, um, and the
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  Speaker 2: Wisconsin polls were off by just as much, if not
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  Speaker 2: more than they were last time, then that's a huge
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  Speaker 2: fucking problem for polls. I don't care if the California
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  Speaker 2: polls were better. You know, like we don't care about
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  Speaker 2: other polls. We care about what happens in fucking Wisconsin
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  Speaker 2: because that's the tipping point state.
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  Speaker 1: Totally, but I also, but like that also, this to
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  Speaker 1: me is I think why I think some of the
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  Speaker 1: critics of the models are going too far. That's not
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  Speaker 1: on the people using the polling as best they can
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  Speaker 1: to create these models, right? Oh, I totally agree.
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  Speaker 2: Nate takes a lot of the heat and the modelers
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  Speaker 2: and the pundits for the actual pollsters who got it wrong.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. You know what it is? It's like, that's the thing.
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  Speaker 1: I understand the frustration of people like Nate Silver because
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  Speaker 1: they're like attacked for all these reasons that aren't true,
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  Speaker 1: but it's just like- It's like, how dare you attack
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  Speaker 1: me for my model, you mathematical morons. Now, carefully interpret
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  Speaker 1: this incredibly complicated model based on mathematical formulas and statistics
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  Speaker 1: that are far beyond anything I will explain.
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  Speaker 3: I would argue their Twitter tone does them no favors
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  Speaker 3: in this regard either. Here's a more cut and dry one.
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  Speaker 3: On a North Dakota radio show, Eric Trump claimed his
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  Speaker 3: father literally saved Christianity.
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  Speaker 1: That's a quote. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Wait, I got a few, and I just made up
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  Speaker 2: this game on the spot. I'm going to read the
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  Speaker 2: take and see if you guys can guess.
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  Speaker 1: Who it came from. Ooh, I love this. I love this.
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  Speaker 1: It's exciting. Okay. Just on the spot, I just thought
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  Speaker 1: about doing this. I'm excited. I'm going to use a
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  Speaker 1: gayer voice for it.
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  Speaker 2: This was an April column, is the hint.
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  Speaker 1: An April column.
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  Speaker 2: And the title of the column was, America Shouldn't Have
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  Speaker 2: to Play by New York Rules. And maybe that might've
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  Speaker 2: given it away. And here's a quote from it. It
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  Speaker 2: is stunning to contemplate the extent to which the country's
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  Speaker 2: COVID-19 crisis is a New York crisis. No wonder so
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  Speaker 2: much of America has dwindling sympathy with the.
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  Speaker 1: Idea of prolonging- Brett Stevens, Brett Stevens, Brett Stevens, Brett Stevens. Yes, yes.
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  Speaker 2: In April, Brett Stevens said that we should have no
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  Speaker 2: more lockdowns, no more restrictions because it's only New York
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  Speaker 2: that's hurting from COVID and the rest of the country
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  Speaker 2: is fine. Curves are flattening. Hospital systems haven't come close
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  Speaker 2: to being overwhelmed. Americans have adapted to new etiquettes of
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  Speaker 2: social distancing. That's Tommy's best friend, Brett Stevens from New
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  Speaker 2: York Times. From the mind that brought you Sink Iran's Navy.
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  Speaker 2: It'll be very simple to do that.
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  Speaker 1: No problem.
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  Speaker 2: This piece is from February after the virus just began
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  Speaker 2: to hit called Donald Trump, the luckiest man. Quote, Democrats
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  Speaker 2: are on the defensive after Trump's impeachment acquittal in Iowa debacle.
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  Speaker 2: A Democratic socialist is surging in the race. And some
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  Speaker 2: economists think that post-coronavirus, the recovery wave will push an
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  Speaker 2: economic surge closer to the election. Trump is enjoying the
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  Speaker 2: same lucky breaks in politics that he enjoyed in birth
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  Speaker 2: and business.
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  Speaker 1: I have a guess. I have a guess. I have
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  Speaker 1: a guess. Is that Hugh Hewitt? Kim Strassel?
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  Speaker 2: Nope, not Hugh Hewitt. Not Kim Strassel. Much more mainstream.
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  Speaker 1: Name names. I don't know. It is.
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  Speaker 2: Axios' own Jim Vande Hei.
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  Speaker 1: Wow. That is so bad. Oh, my God. Yikes. Yikes. Wow.
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  Speaker 1: About that one. He strassled himself. About that one. Jeez.
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  Speaker 1: That's not right. That was fun. That was fun.
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  Speaker 2: There was also a lot of Trump might dump Pence takes,
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  Speaker 2: which were, there was a whole cottage industry.
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  Speaker 1: I rode that tiger for a little bit. I was
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  Speaker 1: pretty into that one for a little bit. That was fun.
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  Speaker 2: Some people were, you know, Trump might dump Pence curious, right?
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  Speaker 1: Here's a quote.
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  Speaker 2: This is not a prediction. It's a certainty. On Thursday,
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  Speaker 2: July 16th, that's the date the Democrat gives his or
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  Speaker 2: her acceptance address. On that day, to interrupt the narrative,
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  Speaker 2: Donald Trump will call a press conference at Mar-a-Lago. He's
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  Speaker 2: going to dump Mike Pence and put Nikki Haley on
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  Speaker 2: the ticket to try to get those suburban moms.
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  Speaker 1: I got it. I got it. QAnon. No? It was.
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  Speaker 2: very smart democratic strategist paul bagala who just like this
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  Speaker 2: is this is the this is the trouble with being
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  Speaker 2: so certain in your prediction it's twitter brain.
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  Speaker 1: I would not look pundits have been known in the
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  Speaker 1: past to get a hot tip and then pass it
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  Speaker 1: off as a prediction maybe it was in the works
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  Speaker 1: maybe it almost happened i wouldn't look trump changes his
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  Speaker 1: mind a lot and look dumping mike pence he couldn't
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  Speaker 1: have lost more i guess you know.
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  Speaker 2: It's fair um One that we have to point out
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  Speaker 2: is the reelected senator from Maine, Susan Collins, after Trump's impeachment.
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  Speaker 2: And she said, I believe the president has learned from
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  Speaker 2: this case and will be much more cautious in the future.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, well, you know what? She laughed last on that one.
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  Speaker 1: She did. She did.
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  Speaker 2: She laughed last on that one. The people of Maine
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  Speaker 2: heard that and they said, you know what? Six more years.
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  Speaker 1: I will say, you know, on impeachment day, there were
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  Speaker 1: takes in a variety of directions as to how important
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  Speaker 1: it would be, and they all turned out to not
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  Speaker 1: really be true. It's hard to say that the election
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  Speaker 1: shifted at all in any direction because of impeachment. We
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  Speaker 1: barely remembered it happened by the time we got to November.
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  Speaker 1: I feel like we all were kind of exactly on
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  Speaker 1: board with that one. Oh, I was. That was kind
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  Speaker 1: of my thing.
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  Speaker 2: I thought impeachment would have some kind of effect, and
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  Speaker 2: it had no effect anywhere.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, it was a waste of time.
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  Speaker 2: So, Tommy, this is your best friend. I think you'll
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  Speaker 2: see by June a lot of the country should be
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  Speaker 2: back to normal and we'll be really rocking by July.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, Jared. Rocking by July. Yep, there you go. Rocking
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  Speaker 1: by July is what got it. Rocking by July.
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  Speaker 3: What he meant was rocking super tight suits and VC vests.
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  Speaker 1: Like his boys. Can I give you a hint? I mean,
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  Speaker 1: they did rock over the summer. They just were super
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  Speaker 1: spreader events. That's right. That's right.
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  Speaker 3: Can I give you a take genre that I think
• 16:50
  Speaker 3: just has to be mentioned, which was a shadow.
• 16:52
  Speaker 1: App conspiracy mongering. Remember around Iowa?
• 16:55
  Speaker 2: Oh, nice.
• 16:56
  Speaker 1: The Iowa caucus results.
• 16:58
  Speaker 3: Didn't come in and it just exploded on the Internet
• 17:01
  Speaker 3: as if this was some like conspiracy theory to take
• 17:04
  Speaker 3: down Pete or Bernie or everybody.
• 17:06
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 17:07
  Speaker 3: The Intercept had a piece about the headline was new
• 17:10
  Speaker 3: details show how deeply Iowa caucus app developer was embedded
• 17:13
  Speaker 3: in democratic establishment as if this was some plan. People
• 17:17
  Speaker 3: were accusing Mayor Pete of like paying for the shadow
• 17:20
  Speaker 3: app as part of a plan to take down Bernie.
• 17:25
  Speaker 3: One person tweeted, honestly, this is on Obama, who spent
• 17:27
  Speaker 3: more effort getting a rather incompetent Tom Perez to be
• 17:31
  Speaker 3: the head of the DNC than on any other post
• 17:33
  Speaker 3: presidential political effort.
• 17:35
  Speaker 1: Yes. Barack Obama coded the shadow app and he sold
• 17:39
  Speaker 1: it to the Iowa Democratic Party. Just absolute madness. Madness.
• 17:45
  Speaker 2: We were in it. Because we know Tara McGowan.
• 17:48
  Speaker 1: We took a picture at a birthday party. And in
• 17:51
  Speaker 1: the end, it was a incredibly sneaky effort by Mayor
• 17:55
  Speaker 1: Pete to sabotage results he ultimately was the winner of,
• 17:59
  Speaker 1: thereby denying him the momentum into future contests.
• 18:04
  Speaker 2: I am very happy that that whole thing happened, though,
• 18:07
  Speaker 2: because it led me to mute a ton of people
• 18:10
  Speaker 2: that I have not thought about ever since.
• 18:12
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's fair. That's fair. My life is better. I'm
• 18:16
  Speaker 1: trying to think of another.
• 18:17
  Speaker 2: Oh, there's a if it ends up that Biden wins,
• 18:20
  Speaker 2: I guarantee you the week after the election, suddenly all
• 18:22
  Speaker 2: those Democratic governors, all those Democratic mayors will say everything's
• 18:24
  Speaker 2: magically better.
• 18:25
  Speaker 1: Go back to school. That's wrong and it's cynical. Ted Cruz.
• 18:31
  Speaker 1: Ted Cruz. That's wrong and it's cynical. Shame on them.
• 18:33
  Speaker 1: That is cynical, Ted. Tsk, tsk. That's fucking cynical. Tsk, tsk.
• 18:37
  Speaker 3: Can I read you a take and you guys guess
• 18:39
  Speaker 3: who it was? Okay, so this is a two-parter.
• 18:42
  Speaker 1: I love games.
• 18:42
  Speaker 3: In October, this person said, why aren't they talking about
• 18:46
  Speaker 3: deaths regarding COVID? Because the number is almost nothing. Because
• 18:51
  Speaker 3: we've gotten control of this thing.
• 18:52
  Speaker 1: Dot, dot, dot. Fast forward a month later, posted, apparently
• 18:55
  Speaker 1: I got the Rona. Oh shit. It's some kind of
• 19:00
  Speaker 1: a Trumper. Apparently it was absolutely a Trumper. Apparently I've
• 19:08
  Speaker 1: got the Rona. Uh, think like Don Jr. Dad energy. Yes. Yes.
• 19:13
  Speaker 1: Don Jr. Yes. Don Jr. Don Jr. Don Jr.
• 19:17
  Speaker 2: Um, any other ones?
• 19:19
  Speaker 1: Are we good?
• 19:19
  Speaker 2: Is that, is that it for outside takes?
• 19:21
  Speaker 1: Let me give you one more rolling around in the snow.
• 19:23
  Speaker 3: One more, uh, March 13th. Uh, Hashtag coronavirus advice. Everyone
• 19:29
  Speaker 3: should also ensure with an eye, mouth and throat are moist,
• 19:33
  Speaker 3: never dry. Take a few sips of water every 15 minutes.
• 19:36
  Speaker 3: Even if virus gets into your mouth, drinking water or
• 19:39
  Speaker 3: other liquids will wash them down through your throat and
• 19:42
  Speaker 3: into stomach or acid will kill virus.
• 19:44
  Speaker 1: Oh, whoa. What? Who was that? Geraldo Rivera.
• 19:49
  Speaker 2: He tweeted that. He's been special this year.
• 19:52
  Speaker 1: One more.
• 19:53
  Speaker 2: This goes to your first round of takes, Tommy. This
• 19:57
  Speaker 2: will be decided in Michigan, Pennsylvania, and Wisconsin. I know
• 20:00
  Speaker 2: what will work there. Safe will not work. Biden, we
• 20:03
  Speaker 2: will lose because Biden is Hillary.
• 20:06
  Speaker 1: Biden is Hillary. Michael Moore. Yes. Good one. Yes. Yes.
• 20:15
  Speaker 2: Come on.
• 20:16
  Speaker 1: Come on. Nailed it. That was very impressive. That's a pull.
• 20:19
  Speaker 1: I'm proud of that. That was a great pull. I'm
• 20:21
  Speaker 1: proud of that. Well, he also, Michael Moore also told
• 20:24
  Speaker 1: me on stage, it was a moment of, there was
• 20:28
  Speaker 1: a real moment of kind of, I don't know, of
• 20:30
  Speaker 1: like good feeling about like how we were all collectively
• 20:32
  Speaker 1: going to fight. And I said, I asked him, I
• 20:34
  Speaker 1: thought I was like kind of teeing him up. and
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: I asked him about Biden, and I thought, I was like, oh,
• 20:39
  Speaker 1: maybe he'll say, and then he just said, Biden won't
• 20:41
  Speaker 1: be the nominee. I was like, oh, okay, well. I
• 20:46
  Speaker 1: was there for a while, too.
• 20:47
  Speaker 2: I didn't think it was going to be that way.
• 20:50
  Speaker 2: I was going to say, we're not in our own
• 20:52
  Speaker 2: bad takes yet, but if we want to talk about
• 20:53
  Speaker 2: the Biden thing, we got pretty close.
• 20:56
  Speaker 1: Pretty close. We didn't go there, but.
• 20:58
  Speaker 2: We got pretty close.
• 20:59
  Speaker 1: We left ourselves a couple of exits. You could pull
• 21:01
  Speaker 1: a lever and get down a raft and get out, right?
• 21:05
  Speaker 2: If you listen to the pods of us between him,
• 21:08
  Speaker 2: specifically between him losing Iowa and winning South Carolina... We
• 21:12
  Speaker 2: were fairly down on his chances. Listen, I think the
• 21:15
  Speaker 2: Biden team, over a couple of beers, would tell you
• 21:18
  Speaker 2: that the Iowa results being a wash was a weird
• 21:23
  Speaker 2: sort of X factor.
• 21:24
  Speaker 3: No one anticipated it. Taking fifth in New Hampshire was
• 21:26
  Speaker 3: certainly not the plan. And then that sort of that
• 21:29
  Speaker 3: New Hampshire night event he did in South Carolina, it
• 21:31
  Speaker 3: did not have a great feeling. And then they did
• 21:33
  Speaker 3: an incredible job kicking ass in South Carolina, the Clyburn endorsement,
• 21:37
  Speaker 3: and it changed everything.
• 21:38
  Speaker 1: And then obviously COVID hit. So, you know, it was
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: complicated as I think whatever one would admit to here. Yeah. Yeah.
• 21:45
  Speaker 2: And Zaloni, uh, their Johnny Anzalone, who's their pollster was on, um,
• 21:49
  Speaker 2: was on hacks, hacks on tap. And he was talking
• 21:51
  Speaker 2: about this and he said that they knew that I
• 21:53
  Speaker 2: wasn't going to go well, but they didn't know it
• 21:54
  Speaker 2: was going to go that poorly. And then they said
• 21:57
  Speaker 2: that they both go into South Carolina, the night of
• 21:59
  Speaker 2: New Hampshire, like you said, and their second place finish
• 22:01
  Speaker 2: in Nevada, even though it wasn't super close to Bernie,
• 22:03
  Speaker 2: the fact that it wasn't about Bernie, it was the
• 22:05
  Speaker 2: fact that they finished ahead of everyone else in Nevada
• 22:07
  Speaker 2: and set them up for South Carolina without much competition
• 22:11
  Speaker 2: aside from Bernie. And that was sort of what did it.
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: For sure.
• 22:22
  Speaker 2: All right, let's do some of our own bad takes.
• 22:24
  Speaker 2: I have this take, and I'll do the take first,
• 22:27
  Speaker 2: and then we can assign it. Do I think the
• 22:29
  Speaker 2: Biden campaign will be actively competing and spending money in
• 22:32
  Speaker 2: Georgia and Texas come October?
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: No, I do not.
• 22:35
  Speaker 2: It's probably wishful thinking. I think soon Texas and Georgia
• 22:38
  Speaker 2: will be battlegrounds, but I don't think yet this cycle.
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: Look, I'll cop to that one. I'd say I was
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: 50% right there. Okay. I also think you could argue that. Yeah,
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: you were. You could argue that. The take is half full, Tommy.
• 22:51
  Speaker 2: The take is half full. Well, they did compete and
• 22:54
  Speaker 2: spend money in Texas.
• 22:55
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but barely. I mean, right?
• 22:56
  Speaker 3: Like I think that we were focused on the traditional
• 22:58
  Speaker 3: battleground states and then Georgia became the real, real stretch
• 23:01
  Speaker 3: where we were actually sending the candidates. They were sending
• 23:03
  Speaker 3: Barack Obama. They were sending big surrogates. So look, once again,
• 23:06
  Speaker 3: Stacey Abrams was right.
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: We were wrong. It could have been in part of
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: our adopt-a-stay program. It's not.
• 23:11
  Speaker 3: I'm going to spread this take around like a fine
• 23:15
  Speaker 3: shit-smelling mulch all around Crooked Media.
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: Like Barack Obama to a plumber. Spreading the wealth around, remember?
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: That was a, sorry. Joe the plumber, yeah. I take
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: it back, emotionally. Yeah, Joe the plumber.
• 23:29
  Speaker 2: I'm mad at myself for not. pushing harder on Georgia.
• 23:32
  Speaker 2: Not that I thought it the whole time, although later
• 23:34
  Speaker 2: in that thing, I made the case for Georgia, but
• 23:36
  Speaker 2: only because like I'm most at fault here because I
• 23:39
  Speaker 2: sat down with Stacey Abrams for The Wilderness and she
• 23:41
  Speaker 2: made the pitch for me about Georgia and it was
• 23:44
  Speaker 2: a really good pitch.
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: And then I was just still like, yeah, it just seems.
• 23:47
  Speaker 2: Like if we're at Georgia, we've already won North Carolina
• 23:52
  Speaker 2: or Florida.
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: Guess not. Right. That's what's interesting. Like, yeah, like we
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: did six. Which state would we have swapped? I guess
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: we would have swapped out Florida and North Carolina for Georgia,
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: if we knew.
• 24:01
  Speaker 2: But it's also hard to imagine not competing in Florida
• 24:04
  Speaker 2: and North Carolina either.
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: You got to try. You got to try. They were
• 24:07
  Speaker 1: still close. Yeah, that's right. Okay.
• 24:10
  Speaker 2: I love it. You haven't told us. Do you want
• 24:12
  Speaker 2: to do your own bad take? Because you haven't told
• 24:14
  Speaker 2: us which bad take you want.
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: I'll read number nine. All of you privately in the
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: office saying that Elizabeth Warren was going to be the
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: nominee frown face.
• 24:21
  Speaker 2: No.
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: No. I don't think I thought that. I don't think
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: I was saying that she was going to be the
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: nominee in the office. I don't think so either. We
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: all liked Elizabeth Warren. See, that was the.
• 24:31
  Speaker 3: I was certainly taken by her Iowa organization. I was
• 24:34
  Speaker 3: very impressed by her campaign.
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 24:36
  Speaker 2: Jordan Waller is in the chat now saying, this is
• 24:38
  Speaker 2: a lie. Jordan, give us the... You have receipts. Did
• 24:43
  Speaker 2: you record your bosses while we said this?
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: No, you didn't. So then we don't believe you. No,
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: Mike's didn't happen. Instagram or it didn't happen.
• 24:51
  Speaker 2: But this is why we were good on predictions because we...
• 24:54
  Speaker 2: Because we're out of the predictions business, we came close
• 24:58
  Speaker 2: on Warren, but I don't know that we definitely... We
• 25:00
  Speaker 2: liked Warren, that's for sure.
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: Jordan said, I caught Lovett saying, vote for Warren from
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: a pod at least three times.
• 25:08
  Speaker 2: Okay, that's fair, Jordan.
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: That's fair. I didn't say that. I didn't say that either.
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: I'll let that in the world. You all know. Listen,
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: we were in... It's okay. Here's one.
• 25:19
  Speaker 2: This is our staff really helpfully... I guess looked back
• 25:23
  Speaker 2: through our internal office slacks and found this one from me.
• 25:28
  Speaker 2: I said, public service announcement. The polling bots that do
• 25:31
  Speaker 2: flashback to 2016 drive me fucking insane. State polls were
• 25:35
  Speaker 2: not weighted by education in 2016. It was the main
• 25:37
  Speaker 2: problem with the state polls. They overestimated the number of
• 25:40
  Speaker 2: college-educated voters and underestimated the number of non-college-educated voters. That's
• 25:44
  Speaker 2: why they looked better for Hillary than they should have.
• 25:46
  Speaker 2: Most high-quality pollsters have corrected this problem. Very confident. I
• 25:52
  Speaker 2: was very confident that the polls had been fixed. They
• 25:54
  Speaker 2: had not been fixed. It turns out that even though
• 25:57
  Speaker 2: they changed the weighting so they had more non-college educated
• 26:01
  Speaker 2: white voters in the polls, those non-college educated white voters
• 26:04
  Speaker 2: that they got when they changed the weighting happened to
• 26:07
  Speaker 2: be the 30% of non-college educated white voters who voted
• 26:09
  Speaker 2: for Biden. So it didn't work. And we have a
• 26:14
  Speaker 2: real fucking problem with polling going forward where it's just
• 26:17
  Speaker 2: that people with low social trust who don't want to
• 26:20
  Speaker 2: answer phones, who don't want to take surveys because they
• 26:22
  Speaker 2: don't trust anything, don't trust any institutions, also happen to
• 26:25
  Speaker 2: be Trump voters. And that could be a real problem
• 26:28
  Speaker 2: with the polling industry going forward.
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's not great. It's not great, especially because these
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: elections are all, you know, look, so many of them
• 26:35
  Speaker 1: are so close. And it's like, let's find out after
• 26:37
  Speaker 1: the election how accurate the polls are, kind of does
• 26:40
  Speaker 1: away with the value. Yeah, yeah.
• 26:44
  Speaker 2: Travis suggested we should talk about Lovett insulting Schitt's Creek
• 26:49
  Speaker 2: How dare you?
• 26:50
  Speaker 1: I love Schitt's Creek. I love Schitt's Creek. I will
• 26:55
  Speaker 1: cop to having a class critique of the family. They
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: come into the town. Love it, love it, love it.
• 27:07
  Speaker 2: Tommy and I are just sitting here quietly, by the way.
• 27:10
  Speaker 1: He's dissembling. I will say, here's my issue. Here's my issue.
• 27:15
  Speaker 1: They lose everything. They're laid low. They show up in
• 27:19
  Speaker 1: the town. Pretty quickly, they're running an apothecary. The other
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: runs a hotel. They very quickly regain some of their status.
• 27:30
  Speaker 1: They become bosses again. That's it. That's my critique. You know,
• 27:35
  Speaker 1: hashtag Bernie or bust.
• 27:40
  Speaker 2: One of our fantastic producers, Caroline Reston, wanted to point
• 27:44
  Speaker 2: out that Tommy compared the transitional clusterfuck to a Bravo
• 27:48
  Speaker 2: show and that this is unfair to Bravo shows slash
• 27:51
  Speaker 2: implies something negative. And then she added a note, this
• 27:54
  Speaker 2: does not have to be an anonymous edition. I'm happy
• 27:57
  Speaker 2: to slap my name to this complaint.
• 27:59
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 27:59
  Speaker 3: So Caroline, I'm not a, I'm not a heavy Bravo watcher,
• 28:03
  Speaker 3: but like, I feel like the core kernel of a
• 28:06
  Speaker 3: lot of Bravo reality shows is they're just messy as hell.
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: Am I not wrong? Or the card of the Kardashian,
• 28:12
  Speaker 1: it's like thoughtful. That's why we love Bravo shows, right?
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: I don't even get it. It's not an insult. It's
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: just such a shame that this conversation about Bravo is
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: taking place with two straight guys and the only gay
• 28:26
  Speaker 1: person at Crooked Media that doesn't watch them constantly. Oh, God.
• 28:29
  Speaker 1: Jordan Waller says the Kardashians are not Bravo. Whatever. I
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: stand by my take. Ooh, tough. Tough. Are they Bravo-ish?
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: Is that it? Yeah, I think so. E-Bravo, same shit.
• 28:40
  Speaker 1: Same exact shit. E-Bravo, whatever. You know what I mean.
• 28:43
  Speaker 2: We're going to do resolutions. We're going to start our
• 28:44
  Speaker 2: resolutions from last year, see how we did, and we
• 28:47
  Speaker 2: actually have clips of these resolutions so we can hold
• 28:51
  Speaker 2: ourselves accountable.
• 28:52
  Speaker 1: Let's play my resolution here.
• 28:54
  Speaker 2: I cannot spend all of my day and all of
• 28:58
  Speaker 2: my night paying attention to politics, reading about politics, looking
• 29:01
  Speaker 2: on Twitter, being on my phone. So I know everyone
• 29:04
  Speaker 2: says things like, oh, I want to read more. I
• 29:06
  Speaker 2: am setting a goal for myself of one book per month.
• 29:10
  Speaker 2: I think that is, I don't know if that's a
• 29:12
  Speaker 2: lot or not because I haven't read in years. And
• 29:15
  Speaker 2: then I'm just so anxious all the time. I think
• 29:18
  Speaker 2: that I have to start like meditation. I've never done
• 29:21
  Speaker 2: any kind of meditating.
• 29:24
  Speaker 1: That's amazing. Wow. Wow. I've done none of that. Zero meditation.
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: I mean, no, sorry.
• 29:32
  Speaker 2: I probably read three books.
• 29:33
  Speaker 1: So that's three. I am just as anxious.
• 29:37
  Speaker 2: I spend just as much time paying attention to politics
• 29:39
  Speaker 2: as And I am just getting through promised land now.
• 29:45
  Speaker 3: Listen, John, I think hope springs eternal on the meditation front.
• 29:48
  Speaker 3: We can do a guided one as a team, as
• 29:50
  Speaker 3: a podcast. Maybe we start every episode with a 10-minute
• 29:53
  Speaker 3: guided meditation.
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: I would appreciate that. As long as I can be
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: on my phone. Let's hear Love It. I want to
• 30:01
  Speaker 1: have a sustainable model for eating food such that I
• 30:06
  Speaker 1: don't feel guilty about what I'm eating. And so for me,
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: what has worked in the past is clean, good eating
• 30:11
  Speaker 1: decisions most of the week, and then two absolutely fucked
• 30:16
  Speaker 1: up balls to the wall, no holes barred, no rules,
• 30:20
  Speaker 1: no society, no cameras, no one watching dinners. I want
• 30:25
  Speaker 1: to get the bad feelings away from the food. I
• 30:29
  Speaker 1: want to be In work, in life, I just want to,
• 30:32
  Speaker 1: these three things I want to always be thinking about.
• 30:33
  Speaker 1: I want to be positive, I want to be generous,
• 30:36
  Speaker 1: and I want to be disciplined. And I just, just
• 30:38
  Speaker 1: a little more positivity, a little more generosity, and a
• 30:40
  Speaker 1: little more discipline will go a long way to making
• 30:43
  Speaker 1: me someone other people will want to be around.
• 30:46
  Speaker 3: Holding yourself to a positivity take is tough in a pandemic,
• 30:49
  Speaker 3: you know?
• 30:50
  Speaker 1: This was tough. I will say... I think.
• 30:53
  Speaker 2: You've been a little more disciplined.
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: I do too. I think you've done a good job
• 30:56
  Speaker 1: on that second one. I really thank you for saying so.
• 30:58
  Speaker 1: I think I've tried. On the food front, I... I
• 31:02
  Speaker 1: didn't say anything about that. I failed so completely. I
• 31:09
  Speaker 1: failed so spectacularly. We went to Vegas for... the caucuses.
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: I mean, I didn't know about the caucuses, but I
• 31:17
  Speaker 1: found out.
• 31:17
  Speaker 2: My last trip out of California in 2020.
• 31:19
  Speaker 1: Got to Vegas, found out about the caucuses. Good coincidence.
• 31:22
  Speaker 1: But I ate two buffets there, which is obscene. It
• 31:26
  Speaker 1: was there for a weekend. I ate two buffets. And
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: in my mind, it was a last hurrah. Well, it was.
• 31:33
  Speaker 1: You were right. What I mean is I thought I
• 31:35
  Speaker 1: would get back and have good eating habits and really try.
• 31:38
  Speaker 2: I have.
• 31:39
  Speaker 1: That never happened. Every... I have felt a little guilty
• 31:45
  Speaker 1: with every bite of food I have taken this year.
• 31:49
  Speaker 1: Every healthy meal feels like a sop to failure. Every
• 31:53
  Speaker 1: cheat feels like an undeserved calamity. And it is horrible
• 31:58
  Speaker 1: because I eat a couple times every day. So I
• 32:02
  Speaker 1: have got, I have got to get this in check.
• 32:04
  Speaker 1: Not just because, not just for health, not just for health,
• 32:07
  Speaker 1: but because like, Like connecting food with these bad feelings
• 32:11
  Speaker 1: all the time is so unhealthy and I need to stop.
• 32:15
  Speaker 1: I need to stop. Jokes aside, like this is being
• 32:17
  Speaker 1: recorded as well too, right? Yes. Noom will help with this,
• 32:20
  Speaker 1: I think, right? For real. I think Noom has helped.
• 32:23
  Speaker 1: Noom will help. I also will say, as long as
• 32:27
  Speaker 1: I'm in an unhealthy body image place, I will say
• 32:30
  Speaker 1: I saw the interview I did with Matto and I
• 32:32
  Speaker 1: look like a bloated mummified corpse and I realized I
• 32:35
  Speaker 1: forgot to drink water in 2020. And I would lie
• 32:38
  Speaker 1: to you and say that it's because I want to
• 32:40
  Speaker 1: be healthier. But if I drink a glass of fucking water,
• 32:43
  Speaker 1: I look 10 years younger. It's the found youth. Oh, okay.
• 32:47
  Speaker 1: That's great. That's easy. It's a good solution. So try Hydrant. Yeah.
• 32:52
  Speaker 1: We're just dropping sponsors now. I just got to alternate
• 32:55
  Speaker 1: water with Diet Coke and coffee. And this tumbler has
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: the ice from my coffee and I filled it with
• 33:02
  Speaker 1: Diet Coke once it was empty. I've done that. It's okay.
• 33:05
  Speaker 1: All right. Don't hurt yourself.
• 33:08
  Speaker 2: Let's hear Tommy's.
• 33:10
  Speaker 3: My first resolution is to not get upset when I
• 33:12
  Speaker 3: don't follow through with any of my resolutions. You know
• 33:15
  Speaker 3: that little notification that comes through on your phone on
• 33:18
  Speaker 3: Sundays that says you've spent X number of hours on
• 33:22
  Speaker 3: your phone this week?
• 33:23
  Speaker 1: Yes, I do. I need that guy to go down.
• 33:25
  Speaker 1: What's yours at? Over four hours. I need that thing
• 33:27
  Speaker 1: to go down. Yours is over four hours? Oh, I
• 33:30
  Speaker 1: will not share mine. What is it? What is it?
• 33:31
  Speaker 1: What is it? Definitely over four. I want to, uh,
• 33:35
  Speaker 1: this came up today.
• 33:36
  Speaker 3: I want to don't, if you're going to donate money
• 33:37
  Speaker 3: to candidates, I want to do it earlier and I
• 33:40
  Speaker 3: want to do it until it hurts a little bit.
• 33:42
  Speaker 1: I want to go to more movies in the theater. Great.
• 33:45
  Speaker 1: I pick more. That's great. Movies in the theater. Well...
• 33:51
  Speaker 1: What a bummer. That is so sad. What a bummer.
• 33:53
  Speaker 1: Really sad. That last one is so sad. I did
• 33:56
  Speaker 1: give to candidates earlier. Movies in the theater. And it
• 33:58
  Speaker 1: did hurt. I got in trouble with Hannah at one point. But, yeah.
• 34:03
  Speaker 1: The movies in the theater. And I talked about the
• 34:05
  Speaker 1: eye pick. Boy, do I miss the eye pick. Me too, man. God.
• 34:08
  Speaker 1: People have been tweeting pictures from last year's tour shows.
• 34:13
  Speaker 1: And it made me very sad. Also... I believe our
• 34:17
  Speaker 1: tour shows for 2020 went up like mid-February, like the
• 34:20
  Speaker 1: promotion for all the shows went up like right before.
• 34:24
  Speaker 1: What a bummer. What a bummer.
• 34:30
  Speaker 2: All right, well, let's talk about resolutions for this year.
• 34:39
  Speaker 2: Who's got some resolutions for 2021 they want to share?
• 34:43
  Speaker 1: Tommy? Sure.
• 34:44
  Speaker 3: I mean, I did my normal thing of like a
• 34:46
  Speaker 3: bunch of little ones. So I'll give you my bucket
• 34:49
  Speaker 3: of work ones. Turn off the camera during Zoom. I
• 34:52
  Speaker 3: miss real meetings, but I hate that every call has
• 34:54
  Speaker 3: been replaced by a Zoom. I want to end the
• 34:56
  Speaker 3: tyranny of the Zoom camera always being on because you
• 34:59
  Speaker 3: end up looking at yourself and I hate it.
• 35:01
  Speaker 1: One. Short emails.
• 35:04
  Speaker 3: I read one of those articles about how like effective
• 35:06
  Speaker 3: people just like reply really quickly to stuff.
• 35:08
  Speaker 1: I want to do that. No fluff. Oh, wow. Maybe that's,
• 35:12
  Speaker 1: that would be so cool. Maybe that's not doable. And
• 35:14
  Speaker 1: this sort of like ultra fraud. Let's all do it.
• 35:16
  Speaker 1: Let's all do it.
• 35:17
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 35:17
  Speaker 3: You just get a reply, like just the facts. And
• 35:19
  Speaker 3: then you guys, I know you guys feel the same
• 35:21
  Speaker 3: way about this one. I want to fix my schedule. My, my,
• 35:23
  Speaker 3: my work week structure for listeners back home is basically
• 35:26
  Speaker 3: like be as anxious as humanly possible Sunday through Tuesday
• 35:30
  Speaker 3: when we wrap pod, save the world.
• 35:32
  Speaker 1: And then like Thursday, Friday, sometimes I'm like, what should
• 35:34
  Speaker 1: I do today?
• 35:35
  Speaker 3: And I got to figure out a way to be
• 35:37
  Speaker 3: more efficient or spread this stuff out or else I'm
• 35:39
  Speaker 3: just going to be a nightmare.
• 35:41
  Speaker 1: Um, love it. Yeah. I mean, I, so I need
• 35:45
  Speaker 1: to get back into a routine. I've said this every
• 35:47
  Speaker 1: year for four years, but it continues to be true
• 35:50
  Speaker 1: because sometimes like I need to get up earlier. Even
• 35:53
  Speaker 1: when I'm on the East coast, I feel like I
• 35:56
  Speaker 1: wake up behind you. Tommy, John and Dan are like
• 35:59
  Speaker 1: air traffic controllers, making sure every tweet in the sky
• 36:03
  Speaker 1: is monitored. They never miss a fucking shift. I wake
• 36:08
  Speaker 1: up at 8 a.m. Eastern. Tommy's already yucking it up
• 36:12
  Speaker 1: with Matt Negron. And so I just always feel a
• 36:16
  Speaker 1: little bit behind. So I want to wake up and
• 36:18
  Speaker 1: work out because when I do that, my mood is better.
• 36:20
  Speaker 1: My health is better. I'm more productive. I have to
• 36:23
  Speaker 1: do that. I have to do that. Ronan and I
• 36:25
  Speaker 1: are prone to a late bedtime. We are gamers at
• 36:27
  Speaker 1: heart and it is very bad for the both of us.
• 36:30
  Speaker 1: So we're going to work on that. And then also
• 36:33
  Speaker 1: for next year, I want to, I obviously want to
• 36:37
  Speaker 1: read more, but I actually just want to read more
• 36:39
  Speaker 1: about issues that I care about. Like I want to, I,
• 36:41
  Speaker 1: this is sound silly, but I want to read a
• 36:43
  Speaker 1: book about why infrastructure in America costs so much. It's
• 36:46
  Speaker 1: something I care about. And I don't feel like I
• 36:48
  Speaker 1: know enough about it beyond the articles I read. You
• 36:50
  Speaker 1: know what I mean? I want to go like a
• 36:51
  Speaker 1: little bit deeper. Like I care about corporate consolidation, but
• 36:55
  Speaker 1: I feel like after, like, I feel like I've run
• 36:57
  Speaker 1: out of thoughts about it because I haven't read enough
• 36:59
  Speaker 1: about it lately. Cause we were so focused on the election.
• 37:02
  Speaker 1: And I want to make more things. I want to
• 37:03
  Speaker 1: talk about Star Wars in a podcast or something. I
• 37:06
  Speaker 1: want to like create more and spend less time creating tweets.
• 37:10
  Speaker 1: It's good.
• 37:11
  Speaker 2: I'm going to just try to do baby steps on
• 37:13
  Speaker 2: the like, I'm going to tweet less and I'm going
• 37:15
  Speaker 2: to read books. Like that's obviously not going to happen, folks.
• 37:18
  Speaker 2: It's not going to happen for me.
• 37:20
  Speaker 1: This is good progress.
• 37:23
  Speaker 2: I do want to just like lengthen my attention span.
• 37:26
  Speaker 2: Let's try that. So like if I'm reading about news
• 37:30
  Speaker 2: and politics, just like read longer stories, spend time doing
• 37:34
  Speaker 2: something where I am focused only on that thing and
• 37:38
  Speaker 2: that I'm not picking up my phone while doing that
• 37:40
  Speaker 2: thing or talking to a bunch of other people. Um,
• 37:44
  Speaker 2: like I just, so I want to, I want to
• 37:45
  Speaker 2: lengthen my attention span and focus more on what I'm doing.
• 37:47
  Speaker 2: If I'm with family, if I'm with friends, whatever I'm with,
• 37:49
  Speaker 2: focus on that a little bit more. Uh, I am also,
• 37:52
  Speaker 2: I am not turning down any invitations to see people
• 37:55
  Speaker 2: in 2021. Once the pandemic has gone down and people
• 37:58
  Speaker 2: are vaccinated, I am going to everything. I'm going to
• 38:02
  Speaker 2: see everyone. And the other thing I want to do
• 38:04
  Speaker 2: is like really spend the time catching up with friends
• 38:07
  Speaker 2: and family that I love. have not been able to
• 38:10
  Speaker 2: see or talk to that much in 2020 because of
• 38:12
  Speaker 2: the pandemic because like god if there's ever a question
• 38:15
  Speaker 2: whether i'm like an introvert or an extrovert uh this
• 38:18
  Speaker 2: pandemic has made me realize i am an extrovert and
• 38:21
  Speaker 2: i desperately need to see people and talk to people
• 38:24
  Speaker 2: and have social interaction because this year is rough and
• 38:27
  Speaker 2: then the last thing for me is i just want
• 38:29
  Speaker 2: to be more grateful because it has been a tough
• 38:31
  Speaker 2: year and a real tough year for a lot of
• 38:32
  Speaker 2: people and i want to be i want to remember
• 38:34
  Speaker 2: to be grateful for for what i have and the
• 38:37
  Speaker 2: people in my.
• 38:37
  Speaker 1: Life so Yeah. It's a, it's a funny thing about
• 38:40
  Speaker 1: the pandemic, which is I'm surprised by how hard it
• 38:45
  Speaker 1: is to stay in touch with people that I would
• 38:46
  Speaker 1: have been in touch with during the pandemic. It's, there's
• 38:49
  Speaker 1: something about having less to talk about and the things
• 38:52
  Speaker 1: we do talk about are so depressing that like, we,
• 38:56
  Speaker 1: we kind of don't have as many stories to tell
• 38:58
  Speaker 1: each other and it makes the catch-ups like not as satisfying.
• 39:00
  Speaker 1: And so like, I think everybody has given each other
• 39:03
  Speaker 1: more space than even I would have expected. And like,
• 39:06
  Speaker 1: I feel like Even in this moment, my circle has
• 39:09
  Speaker 1: shrunk a bit. Not that I don't love all the
• 39:11
  Speaker 1: people that I will very much reach out to and
• 39:13
  Speaker 1: want to spend as much time with as humanly possible
• 39:15
  Speaker 1: next year, but I do feel the same way. I
• 39:18
  Speaker 1: also feel... Look, without my weekly dose of 150 people
• 39:23
  Speaker 1: applauding at the improv, I'm barely able to get out
• 39:27
  Speaker 1: of bed, We were in a good place there for
• 39:28
  Speaker 1: a minute, but yeah.
• 39:33
  Speaker 3: So if we're going to more personal ones, so I
• 39:36
  Speaker 3: had one that's holding grudges. Holding grudges is bad for you.
• 39:41
  Speaker 3: The resentment, it just festers. It bothers you at a
• 39:43
  Speaker 3: low boil.
• 39:44
  Speaker 1: So 2021 is about finishing the job. I thought we
• 39:51
  Speaker 1: were getting to something like, you know, when you hold
• 39:54
  Speaker 1: a grudge, it's poison. You take yourself, you know, something
• 39:57
  Speaker 1: like that. You don't squash it.
• 39:58
  Speaker 3: You win it. That's what 21 is about when it
• 40:01
  Speaker 3: comes to grudges. And then this one for all of
• 40:02
  Speaker 3: us and for our listeners, we're going to tune out Trump.
• 40:06
  Speaker 3: We got to move on from this guy. Like it
• 40:08
  Speaker 3: needs to be a collective act. He will remain in
• 40:10
  Speaker 3: control of the Republican Party. But it's going to take
• 40:12
  Speaker 3: discipline from all of us to not react and amplify
• 40:16
  Speaker 3: the meaningless outrage of the day. He cannot be the
• 40:20
  Speaker 3: country's national narrator of events for 2021, 22, 23 and 24.
• 40:25
  Speaker 3: We got to remind ourselves that he is a shithead
• 40:28
  Speaker 3: from New York who is now just a former president loser.
• 40:32
  Speaker 1: Didn't need to hear some anti-New York bias in there
• 40:34
  Speaker 1: slipping in at the end. Seems unnecessary.
• 40:37
  Speaker 2: He's a shithead from South Florida.
• 40:39
  Speaker 1: Oh, he's from Florida. Yeah, you're right. Thank you. Apologies.
• 40:41
  Speaker 2: So at the risk of– I don't want to predict
• 40:44
  Speaker 2: anything because this will be played back to me next year.
• 40:46
  Speaker 2: But like I've gone back and forth on this for
• 40:48
  Speaker 2: a while. I think like he has like a– I
• 40:51
  Speaker 2: believe he has a tight grip on the Republican Party.
• 40:53
  Speaker 2: And because he has such a tight grip on the
• 40:55
  Speaker 2: Republican Party, he will be a factor in politics and
• 40:58
  Speaker 2: news coverage for a while. But like– I've been thinking
• 41:02
  Speaker 2: about it more the last week or so, especially since
• 41:05
  Speaker 2: I've noticed it's even felt like in the last couple
• 41:08
  Speaker 2: of days, like he hasn't been at the top of
• 41:12
  Speaker 2: every headline. He hasn't been at the front of every
• 41:15
  Speaker 2: news story. And I do wonder, like, if all he
• 41:18
  Speaker 2: has is a big fucking Twitter feed, but he is
• 41:22
  Speaker 2: not in the White House, he is not in Washington,
• 41:23
  Speaker 2: he is not part of congressional negotiations, he is not
• 41:26
  Speaker 2: part of you know foreign policy and foreign trips like
• 41:29
  Speaker 2: if he's not part of all that stuff and all
• 41:31
  Speaker 2: he has is his twitter feed and his like calls
• 41:34
  Speaker 2: to fox and friends and he's always on newsmax or
• 41:36
  Speaker 2: oam like maybe he really won't be that much part
• 41:39
  Speaker 2: of the conversation like there might actually be some hope.
• 41:42
  Speaker 3: For that i have no faith in jeff zucker and
• 41:44
  Speaker 3: a bunch of fucking executives who decide these things but
• 41:49
  Speaker 3: maybe maybe i think.
• 41:50
  Speaker 1: It's more like i think we have to actually internalize
• 41:53
  Speaker 1: like Trump is important insofar as he is the leader
• 41:57
  Speaker 1: of a dangerous right-wing anti-democratic movement. And the more central
• 42:01
  Speaker 1: he is to that movement, which is a threat and
• 42:03
  Speaker 1: is important, the more I think he'll be covered and
• 42:07
  Speaker 1: the more I think he'll probably deserve some coverage. But
• 42:10
  Speaker 1: I think there are going to be a lot of
• 42:12
  Speaker 1: people vying to see where this mob is going so
• 42:15
  Speaker 1: that they might lead them. Yep. All right. Anything else? Yeah.
• 42:20
  Speaker 3: I mean, look, I want to dust off some classics.
• 42:22
  Speaker 3: I just bought my first John Le Carre book.
• 42:25
  Speaker 1: Tommy's got a long list. I want to read them.
• 42:27
  Speaker 1: All right. Also, you guys talked about your gym. Okay.
• 42:30
  Speaker 3: I was roundly mocked a couple of years ago for
• 42:32
  Speaker 3: saying I wanted to spend less time at the gym.
• 42:35
  Speaker 1: I succeeded. So joke is on you guys. Yeah, you
• 42:37
  Speaker 1: shut them all down.
• 42:38
  Speaker 3: You conveniently ignored the other half of that resolution, which
• 42:41
  Speaker 3: was eat healthier so you don't have to go to
• 42:43
  Speaker 3: the gym, but that's okay.
• 42:44
  Speaker 1: Not everyone is understood in their time. You know what
• 42:46
  Speaker 1: I mean? But you know, That's the real point here
• 42:49
  Speaker 1: is how do we get to parts?
• 42:51
  Speaker 3: Like, remember back in the day when exercising was fun,
• 42:53
  Speaker 3: you played sports or you like screwed around with your friends.
• 42:56
  Speaker 3: And like, I want to get to a place where
• 42:57
  Speaker 3: you're doing fun stuff again, that is, that happens to
• 42:59
  Speaker 3: be exercise, like playing tennis.
• 43:01
  Speaker 1: I don't know, whatever. Tennis. Hey, Tommy, maybe it's time
• 43:04
  Speaker 1: for you and I to play some tennis. I'd love
• 43:06
  Speaker 1: to play. Love it.
• 43:08
  Speaker 2: If you want to sub in for me, because Tommy
• 43:10
  Speaker 2: and Hannah and Emily are all great tennis players, I
• 43:13
  Speaker 2: am not. So maybe you can sub in for me.
• 43:18
  Speaker 1: I'd love to. I'd love to. No, tennis. When my
• 43:22
  Speaker 1: friend Spencer suggested that he and I play tennis during
• 43:24
  Speaker 1: the pandemic, I bought a tennis racket. I was so
• 43:28
  Speaker 1: excited to have a new thing. Every new thing that
• 43:31
  Speaker 1: comes along is the most exciting thing that could happen.
• 43:35
  Speaker 1: So yeah, tennis. Tennis in 2021. want to clean my
• 43:40
  Speaker 1: clean my car i just wrote down a bunch of
• 43:42
  Speaker 1: little ones.
• 43:44
  Speaker 2: Oh you oh you got more i don't want to
• 43:47
  Speaker 2: stop you you just paused for a second i just
• 43:49
  Speaker 2: i have no more i haven't cleaned my car in
• 43:51
  Speaker 2: over a year and it makes hannah very annoyed it
• 43:54
  Speaker 2: looks like yeah it used to be black and.
• 43:56
  Speaker 3: Now it's just sort of a gray and i think
• 43:58
  Speaker 3: that she doesn't she doesn't love that uh last thing
• 44:00
  Speaker 3: i have i uh I had a period during quarantine
• 44:03
  Speaker 3: where I was playing a lot of guitar, like in
• 44:05
  Speaker 3: playing almost every night and I got so much better
• 44:07
  Speaker 3: so quickly. And I want to figure out almost a
• 44:08
  Speaker 3: curriculum for myself and sort of a reasonable schedule. That's
• 44:11
  Speaker 3: like three times a week you play for 20 minutes
• 44:14
  Speaker 3: and just commit to that.
• 44:14
  Speaker 2: And then, and then I'll be happy. I, even though
• 44:18
  Speaker 2: we've been in quarantine for almost a year now, the
• 44:21
  Speaker 2: last month I've started like really playing piano again. And
• 44:25
  Speaker 2: it does feel like, wow, an activity, something new, something different,
• 44:28
  Speaker 2: something to like have my mind work a different way.
• 44:31
  Speaker 2: So I actually want to do the same thing with piano.
• 44:33
  Speaker 1: I just, on the car front, I'm hoping this is
• 44:36
  Speaker 1: repaired by the time this episode has come out. So
• 44:39
  Speaker 1: like every morning I've been borrowing Ronan's mom's car. So
• 44:43
  Speaker 1: that's Mia Farrow's car. And driving to McDonald's, Dunkin' Donuts,
• 44:48
  Speaker 1: or Starbucks. To the drive-thru and I get myself a coffee.
• 44:51
  Speaker 1: I get Ronan. What a variety of places that you're attending.
• 44:54
  Speaker 1: It's well, it's varieties of spice of life, John. And
• 44:57
  Speaker 1: I transfer, I get, what I do is I get
• 44:59
  Speaker 1: the Dunkin' Donuts. I transfer it into a Tumblr and
• 45:02
  Speaker 1: then I Purell my hands and then I can have it.
• 45:04
  Speaker 1: And it's like a routine. I put on my mask
• 45:06
  Speaker 1: when I go to the drive-thru, though a lot of
• 45:07
  Speaker 1: people don't. The problem is, so I fill the, I
• 45:11
  Speaker 1: pour out the plastic cup. Then I close the plastic cup.
• 45:16
  Speaker 1: Then I throw it into the bottom, right? And when
• 45:19
  Speaker 1: I say the well of Mia's car is filled with garbage,
• 45:25
  Speaker 1: just empty plastic cups, crumpled up breakfast sandwich containers. I
• 45:30
  Speaker 1: hate that.
• 45:30
  Speaker 2: I hate cars like that. I hate people who do
• 45:31
  Speaker 2: that with their cars.
• 45:32
  Speaker 1: Literally, you couldn't get in. If you open that door,
• 45:35
  Speaker 1: they will fall out the side. It's my dirty secret.
• 45:38
  Speaker 1: Nobody knows but me.
• 45:40
  Speaker 3: You remember when Lovett's car, I think it's the same
• 45:42
  Speaker 3: car you have now, when he, the side mirror was
• 45:45
  Speaker 3: literally taped on and then he lost the key. So
• 45:48
  Speaker 3: we had literally the clothes hanger inside the thing where
• 45:52
  Speaker 3: you turn it on.
• 45:53
  Speaker 1: Is that still the case? Yeah. No, no, no. I
• 45:56
  Speaker 1: had to. Oh, that's right. You upgraded. I got a
• 45:57
  Speaker 1: new car, but I fixed, no, I still have that car,
• 45:59
  Speaker 1: but I gave, I fixed that. I fixed that. And
• 46:04
  Speaker 1: the other day.
• 46:05
  Speaker 2: That was one of the reasons I wouldn't get in
• 46:06
  Speaker 2: a car with him on the highway.
• 46:08
  Speaker 1: Yeah. The other day, Mia asked where the keys were
• 46:11
  Speaker 1: because she was going to go get the mail and
• 46:16
  Speaker 1: drop off some books at Goodwill. And I was like, no, no,
• 46:17
  Speaker 1: I'll do it. I'll do it. I'll take care of it.
• 46:19
  Speaker 1: I'll take care of it for you. No, no, no.
• 46:21
  Speaker 1: I'll do it. Because I don't want her to see
• 46:23
  Speaker 1: what's going on in there.
• 46:25
  Speaker 2: Well, hopefully now this will fix it by her listening
• 46:29
  Speaker 2: to this.
• 46:29
  Speaker 1: This is good. It's a deadline.
• 46:30
  Speaker 3: It's a good cleansing of the takes, cleansing of the resolutions,
• 46:34
  Speaker 3: cleansing of the car.
• 46:35
  Speaker 1: Last one before we go then, you know, I said
• 46:36
  Speaker 1: I want to be more grateful. Like, I.
• 46:39
  Speaker 2: I am very, very grateful, and I know you guys
• 46:41
  Speaker 2: are too, for all of you, for our listeners. Because
• 46:46
  Speaker 2: grateful for you guys not just listening, but telling us
• 46:50
  Speaker 2: what you think, whether it's praise or criticism, tweeting at us,
• 46:55
  Speaker 2: reaching out to us. And most importantly, 300,000 of you
• 47:00
  Speaker 2: adopted a state and did volunteering. Sometimes for the first time,
• 47:04
  Speaker 2: you donated.
• 47:05
  Speaker 1: You made calls.
• 47:06
  Speaker 2: You did text banks all during a pandemic when a
• 47:09
  Speaker 2: lot of shit was going on and it was a
• 47:11
  Speaker 2: really tough year. So many of you stepped up to
• 47:14
  Speaker 2: work really, really hard in this election. And I don't know,
• 47:18
  Speaker 2: like the best part of this job is having. a
• 47:22
  Speaker 2: community of people like, like all of you who, um,
• 47:25
  Speaker 2: are so engaged and so committed. So we, we love
• 47:28
  Speaker 2: all of you guys.
• 47:28
  Speaker 1: Thank you.
• 47:29
  Speaker 3: And, and our amazing team here at Koga Media who,
• 47:31
  Speaker 3: who enables everything that we were able to do despite being, uh,
• 47:35
  Speaker 3: like the little engine that could not, not nearly enough
• 47:37
  Speaker 3: folks to do all the things that we try to
• 47:39
  Speaker 3: take on this year, but everybody did it with, uh,
• 47:43
  Speaker 3: just enormous optimism, despite being all the fun parts of
• 47:46
  Speaker 3: work and all the time we got to hang out,
• 47:48
  Speaker 3: just being ripped away from us. by this virus, you know,
• 47:52
  Speaker 3: we're still just incredibly successful and just so grateful to
• 47:54
  Speaker 3: them and to all the listeners.
• 47:56
  Speaker 1: And yeah. Yeah, I think about I think about the
• 48:00
  Speaker 1: fact that this has been like a four year fight,
• 48:03
  Speaker 1: you know, and I think if we had been able
• 48:04
  Speaker 1: to be together more, celebrate more, not just, you know,
• 48:08
  Speaker 1: a few gatherings outside in front of the White House,
• 48:11
  Speaker 1: but like the joy of having been in this fight
• 48:14
  Speaker 1: together for so long and been through something so hard
• 48:18
  Speaker 1: and so awful. and the promise of something better. I
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  Speaker 1: am sad of what we were denied by this pandemic
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  Speaker 1: and the failed response, but I really do go into
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  Speaker 1: 2021 so hopeful, so excited about the possibility of a
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  Speaker 1: better year. It really is in front of us. And
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  Speaker 1: as hard as this has been, and as sad as
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  Speaker 1: I've been, and depressed as I have been, that light
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  Speaker 1: at the end of the tunnel has mattered. And I'm
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  Speaker 1: so glad we can say that we won this election,
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  Speaker 1: because imagine how we'd feel if we hadn't. My God.
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  Speaker 2: Well, happy new year, everyone. We will see you in 2021.
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  Speaker 1: And here is to a much better year. And spicy takes.
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  Speaker 2: Pod Save America is a Crooked Media production. The executive
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  Speaker 2: producer is Michael Martinez. Our associate producer is Jordan Waller.
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  Speaker 2: It's mixed and edited by Andrew Chadwick. Kyle Seglin is
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  Speaker 2: our sound engineer. Thanks to Tanya Sominator, Katie Long, Roman Papadimitriou,
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  Speaker 2: Quinn Lewis, Caroline Rustin, and Justin. Howe for production support.
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  Speaker 2: And to our digital team, Elijah Cohn, Nar Melkonian, Yale Freed,
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  Speaker 2: and Milo Kim, who film and upload these episodes as
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