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Stretch Run · Boundary Corner Podcast

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  close out there. But we got a, we got a big one
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  tonight. We got a big one tonight.
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  It's going to be going to be fun.
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  It's like an all the Doom and Gloom, not all doom and gloom
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  gonna be a lot of fun. Someone we've been talking about
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  getting on the Pod for quite a while now.
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  And you know, let's sort of waste no time left.
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  Introduce him here. Basically, this guy, young guy,
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  great writer for Sons of Saturday, great writer for the
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  key play, and a Virginia Tech gravatt of 2021.
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  We're excited to have him on. And tonight we bring on Shelton
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  Moss to talk a little bit of everything with us Shelton.
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  Good evening, sir, how are you today?
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  Hello gentleman. Is it's a pleasure to be on.
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  I wish I was in a slightly better mood after Hokies win,
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  but tough loss tonight. I'm sure we'll talk about it but
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  still it's good to be on. Am always happy to talk with you
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  guys. Yeah yeah, tough one.
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  The clothes out there, there was that little run that 9-0 run
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  that took a game where you know, we were right there the whole
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  way shooting well and then just had a tough time getting to go
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  in the basket there at the end and really a rough night on
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  defense as well. Real mad indecent and I mean
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  I've been looking at Stats here but they shoot Miami shot. 66
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  percent from Boon for Cooper's, very limited Yeah, 42 years in
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  front 3, you know, over 80% from the line.
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  They outrebounded the Hokies slight Edge.
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  The turnovers that were at 10:46, not a big deal, but the
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  rebounds to me, were the real killer tonight.
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  I mean, you're talking plus, 64 them in the category and and
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  that in this, those three threes in that consecutive stretch Tech
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  goes up. One off of free-throw.
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  I think it was poked, eat that hit it or Basile.
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  And they hit the free throw her off because I can't remember
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  either. It's, I'll put the kid to bed
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  while watching and stuff sometimes seriously.
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  But and then it's like, Bam, Bam, Bam.
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  And I think it's just a sitting in the first half to I was
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  putting another child to bed. It's 7:44 and I come back and
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  we're down, like, six, and it's like, she shall.
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  Let's just talk about this game and just some stuff in general.
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  What is it about these stretches?
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  Where we See out the gate hot tonight out the gate hot 16:8.
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  And then the next thing, you know, it's this five to seven
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  minutes of cold. You know, what do you see for
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  that when you're as you've been watching this team all year in
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  your, for the frustrations with it?
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  Yeah, I mean I try not to overreact too much just because,
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  you know, it is college basketball.
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  Like it's a game of runs, you're going to go on hot streaks,
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  you're going to go and fix and that just happens.
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  But I don't know. I mean, obviously Mike runs a
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  very motion oriented often so So, you know, sometimes maybe
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  the ball gets stuck, sometimes they're not, you know, running
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  the actions, the way they need to be there.
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  Not fight through screens thing. Like, you know, there's a lot of
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  there's a lot of detail that goes into it and sometimes the
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  execution isn't there. So you know we shoot a lot of
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  Threes I don't think I don't want to show you as many threes
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  as we did you know last year and I don't think we rely on June 23
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  as much people think. But look if you're going to
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  shoot the threes and you know sometimes you're not going to
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  fall so you gotta find other ways to score.
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  I think bacilli physically has been an issue this season.
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  I think it's been better the last Games, as we saw ACC player
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  of the week this week this week under there, but for the most
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  part, you know, I think they they kind of missile Uma just
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  kind of what he was able to do in the post last season.
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  Not quite the same player facility that is as number 22.
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  So I mean, you know, it was good tonight.
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  I mean, you can't complain. I think I saw a stat on Twitter
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  that Tech was the first team in the country this season, to lose
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  a game where they shot. 50-40-90, meaning 50% in the
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  floor, 40 percent from three any percent from the free-throw
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  line. And so they were the first in
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  the country to lose a game this season shooting that split.
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  So I just, you know, the snake bit doesn't even begin to
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  describe Advantage. Going to talk to you.
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  What are the luck metrics for this?
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  Okay, I mean, I can, I can check in the last time I checked
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  Giving great closing out games at played, well down the
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  stretch. I don't know if it's so much a
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  coaching issue as maybe it is an execution issue, but this team
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  just can't close out the the close games.
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  Yeah, they definitely struggled. I mean, whether it's sometimes a
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  cold streak, sometimes sloppy, passing, an execution on the
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  offensive end sometimes, you know, just a bad rotation on
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  defense and they are giving up some big open shots, two guys
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  that are at that moment. Hot like mac was tonight.
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  So it's just kind of been a little bit of everything at
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  those. Key moments of the games but
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  let's turn back the clock a little bit.
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  Here we got a blowout win against Syracuse on Saturday.
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  Where do you think this TEAM stands after Syracuse after
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  Miami at this moment? In terms of chances to make the
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  NCAA tournament? First, I think this loss
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  tonight, definitely changes the complexion considerably.
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  I know one game isn't, you know, the two critical but you know
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  coming to this game II was looking at a site called bar
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  torvik, was just some in see, a projection simulations and they
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  gave us a 43 percent chance of making before this game.
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  So with the Miami loss, maybe that's down to like, you know,
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  37:36 somewhere in that range. I think that's pretty
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  reasonable. The problem is, you're 38 in the
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  ACC, it's a down year for the league.
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  You know, you've got you, I mean, you have to beat like, you
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  gave Buster win on Like, you cannot lose that game and make
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  the tournament, unless you want to, you know, get an at large
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  again and try to try to win the whole thing.
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  But, you know, they got to win that game.
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  I mean, they would have to go. What is it like 9 and 19 into?
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  I don't know how many games I have left.
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  I guess I got they got names laughs now.
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  So maybe like 7 and 28 and one. I mean that's that's a really
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  tough ass. So you know, like I said, I try
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  not to overreact to a single game but it's like it's more.
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  So the fact that you you started the season 3 and 8 and put
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  yourself in such a tough spot rather than just this one loss
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  and I mean my name is a good team, you know they're going
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  Play good basketball. They got shot, they got shot
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  makers, they got Playmakers, but it's just without you started.
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  So Pearl. You put yourself in such a bad
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  position and that seems to be a recurring theme with this team.
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  All right, so here let me let me let me let me preface this shit,
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  Sheldon, we were talking before. You hopped on with this in
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  Bryant said beat UVA. Then we have to BBC Notre Dame,
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  Georgia Tech pit Louisville, Florida, State at 7:00.
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  So So are you saying like either you have to beat Miami or do
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  along with you be a win Saturday to have any shot?
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  You gazing must. I just don't see how you can
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  lose that game and make it because like even if you you
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  know, even if you I mean if you lose it like you have to go like
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  now to know the rest of the way, and that's not even a guarantee
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  to get you in. So I do like, you know, I just
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  think you have to win that game and after that, you know, that's
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  gonna be really tough game. Like if they beat Duke and UVA,
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  I mean, they're in business, but that's it.
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  It's really tough. Ask I just again, it just goes
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  back to the bad start. You can't spend Seth every year
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  and expect to be in a good spot. Yeah, definitely, definitely,
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  can't dig a hole in January, like, we've done back-to-back
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  seasons and expect anyone to do any favors.
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  And I will say, you know, the committee might give a little
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  bit of credence this year more than a gave last year, just
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  because of Couture being out and looking at at that over that
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  four-game stretch but I still think we still dug ourselves too
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  much of a hole at this point where we really have to almost
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  be perfect the rest of the wave. Say for maybe one game to really
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  feel like you're secure heading into that selection.
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  Absolutely. Yeah.
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  And and, and to your point, I just to make a quick point, you
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  know, also the non-conference schedule like non-conference
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  resume was awesome. I mean, they beat, you know,
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  Penn State. They beat Oklahoma State
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  obviously UNC was conference game but, you know, back in back
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  in December, that's why it's so disappointing because if it, if
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  tech went 11 and 9 with a couple of good wins, this common
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  scheduled a issue in the tournament with their anonymous,
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  But they just, they just fell apart.
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  Stop. It's not like it was last year
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  where the non-conference hurt the team it this year and
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  actually boosted it. But let's be honest about that
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  non-conference. In some of those early games, I
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  mean, what 12:11, and 112 and one in non-conference, but there
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  were cracks there, they were, you know, we saw it to us it was
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  always the three-point shooting because I told Brian, I said we
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  can't live and die shooting 29 28 percent from point 35. 5:36,
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  there's a chance. Was there anything else you
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  noticed in those early wins? You know the Penn State when the
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  win over ODU the Oklahoma State win.
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  Was there anything you noticed? At istic Ali that said that
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  keeps trending. What's going to happen is going
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  to happen. Yeah, so statistically I think
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  the three-point shooting was abnormally bad like bad against
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  in-state is about against ODU. I was a couple weeks ago, so I
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  get some numbers where I found that Virginia Tech's current
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  three-point percentage, as a team would ranked the lowest of
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  any Mae Kang team since 2011. So, I think that kind of says a
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  lot like they're just not clicking for whatever reason.
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  And I don't know if it's maybe like oh you know lesser quality
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  of looks or are they just not good to get the ball to the
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  right spot? But yeah, just three point
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  shooting for every It's not perfect, there's not been there.
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  I know it's kind of obviously improved the last few games.
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  I'm sure they'll get the rise as the season progresses but yeah.
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  Just the weird the weird thing tuning you know Padilla's kind
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  of kind of fell off a little bit and yeah I just I never really
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  honestly I never could have imagined that losing Hunter
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  Couture would have had such a drastic impact you know I know
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  it's not it's not a me to make excuses but it's like we start
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  the season 11 21 and he was 45 games, all five games without
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  you know, a guard like Couture who granted, you know, he's not.
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  But he's a good player but he's not like you know MVP of the
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  league or anything. I mean you lose all those games
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  with him. Plants just completely falls
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  apart. You know, you just can't beat
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  any of those teams. It's like, you know what
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  happened? Like I think it kind of shows
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  the value has, but it's also like, man.
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  Like what why are we? So, depending on one player
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  that's kind of what it's kind of, what I want to know.
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  Yeah, it's interesting because I mean we've had either rotations
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  where Hunters went off the floor in the past that hasn't impacted
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  as much as it does. It seems like with this rotation
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  this season, you know, he missed, you know, a decent
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  number of games, Stretch, what is it?
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  Do you think about his skill set that this team kind of leans on
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  and what it was missing when he was out?
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  Well, he's a great green Setter, he's a great cutter, you know, I
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  do film reviews all the time for the key play and when I'm going
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  back and watch the game, it's like almost every single time
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  that Tech runs a beautiful offensive set or an offensive
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  action could towards in the middle of it, you know, because
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  he's the one send the screens and there is a very much, you
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  know, a precise art to screen setting the way Cuts another
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  basketball, the way moves without the basketball, the way
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  passes. And my tongue said the way he
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  receives the ball, another kind of money detail there, but the
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  way it catches the ball which obviously the forearm fracture,
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  kind of a And then also is defense, you know he's a very
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  good Defender. He has good footwork.
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  He's hard to you know kind of kind of body up and get past, it
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  doesn't feel very much. She doesn't bite for dumb shot.
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  Fakes and then the shooting obviously kind of self you know
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  he's a guy that can go off for six reason one night.
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  He's a, he's a good shooter but also a high volume should, which
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  is a very rare, I mean, shooting 40% from three on a very high
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  volume and I think that's, you know, one of the best marks in
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  the country if you looked into his attempts.
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  So, I mean, he just does everything like all those little
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  things and then the things you See in the box score and the
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  things you don't see in the box. Or I mean it's just you just
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  does everything. Yep.
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  It's true. He does everything in his
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  defense. I mean you could probably tell
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  this to me, I mean how many where does he as far as taking
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  charges this year? Even with four games missed, it
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  felt like the early part of the Season.
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  Every game he got two or three charges taken, which is crazy.
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  But again, that's great position.
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  Defense, that's great being in the right spot.
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  And so many times just doing that, it helps what it helps in
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  general is the other team now is not going to attack him.
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  That way. So it's going to be easier for
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  the rest of the team because they know they're not going to
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  attack him that way. He's already drawn a charge,
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  they can't get good shots off. So a lot of easy things.
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  Let's pivot to something else, though.
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  Let's talk about minutes now. Darius Maddox Miss.
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  Tonight's game as he did Saturday's game.
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  So he's not been in a while but kind of starting with the Duke
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  game. We saw his Minix get
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  significantly cut. He only had six minutes in that
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  you game, where kid and Collins the two primary guys off the
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  bench, got 20 and 22 Petit was at six.
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  And before that, though he had been he'd always been up there
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  and for some reason, this year We know he's a good player, but
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  for this some reason this year he just could not find it on.
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  Do you think? Is he going to come back?
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  If you'd heard anything, is it? You know, is he coming back?
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  Is everything okay? Because I think that's the first
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  warmers is he's not there if he's there, you could say, maybe
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  he's sick and hurt something. He's just not on the bench and,
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  you know, we all want to make sure he's okay before anything
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  else. Yeah.
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  So I know absolutely nothing about his status for The Growers
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  who are joining the team. I know it's a family matter of
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  seems pretty serious. If we're to take Mike young at
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  his word which I will as far as its playtime.
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  But you mentioned I think if but Maddox is that he is not a very
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  physical driver. He has, he has trouble sort of
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  attacking the rim because he's kind of a kind of as a thin
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  frame, and just doesn't really seem to be.
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  No, just really know what he's doing all the time, kind of
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  awkward when he wants to finish. So it is not driving the
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  basketball. Then he has to shoot threes, but
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  his three-point shot is in there this year.
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  So instead, he sell In for mid-range jumpers, which are
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  kind of an inefficient shot. And I was he said some but it's
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  not the best shot. It's not the shot you one, which
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  is why if you look at you know the analyst has his room and
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  free rate is down a lot. You want to be shooting, ideally
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  shots, the rim and shots from three and he's not getting those
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  as much as his counterparts, you know, defensively.
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  I think he's been kind of, you know.
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  So so but you see with Collins? I mean MJ Collins is a guy that
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  you know was six or four fish athletic, you know, very
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  athletic Wing, who can get to the cup, occasionally plays good
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  defense, I think so, Why he's been playing an edge, I think
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  Mike young has given him the green light because he's been so
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  good as a freshman on both ends of the court.
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  And I just think with Maddox you know it's I think his role
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  ideally this is just my opinion. I think it role would be better
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  suited to come off the bench as well.
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  Like a spot-up shooter type which was his role last season.
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  You know, just come off give like maybe 15, 20 minutes off
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  the bench max. You hit a few 3s would be like a
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  spell, you know, spot-up shooter, catch and shoots have a
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  guy. I just don't know.
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  Game is really built to Be, you know, a stray full-time starter
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  at the ACC level. I just, I just think he's he
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  just doesn't really have that in his game.
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  Yeah, and it worked in spots as we went down the stretch run
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  last year, especially in the tournament.
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  But it seems like sustaining that over the full course of a
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  season. He hasn't been able to get it
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  done in that role and I definitely agree with you.
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  I think kind of a guy you bring Off the Bench to be a spot
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  shooter. A guy you put in the lineup when
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  you want, you know, your three-point guys on the court,
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  but maybe not that full time. Started that we seen at the
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  start of the year. Let's talk a little bit more.
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  I know we got your kids had some good minutes poteete had some
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  good minutes tonight. Do we look at Maddox?
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  Are we kind of going to get some of the minutes replaced in
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  aggregate with those players with Collins with with kid, on
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  the court as well? And I yeah I think they've done
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  a man as well. Yeah.
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  Actually came in is a good guy to bring up because I thought he
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  played us all game can Syracuse you know Miss hey miss his first
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  few shots you know which kinds but you know he handed a very
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  good end of the game on a very good note.
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  Play good defense. Got a few rebounds, have some
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  assess. I just, you know, right now, you
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  know, college is a, got our, excuse me.
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  Yeah. Camden rather came in is a guy
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  that hasn't played college basketball essentially ever
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  before the season, because he was hurt last year at Memphis
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  and his first season. So he's sort of like a red shirt
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  freshman. Ali or I mean, you might as well
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  say true freshman because he really hasn't played much at all
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  or been able to, you know, practice much at all, I like
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  him, you know. It kind of has that like sort of
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  small forward, power forward, type role.
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  Ideally, if you can work on a three-point shot, that'd be
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  great. Because I think that's where
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  most of his value would lie. And, you know, talk about, you
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  know, kid and petite. You know, it, depending on what
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  the matchups are, if you want to go big and put those guys in,
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  so, I think, you know, the depth, the depth puts forward is
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  fine. It's just, you know, when you're
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  missing Maddox, obviously and then having to play college as a
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  freshman as good as he is. Is you're going to kind of go
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  through those Growing Pains? It's just it's a tough situation
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  sometimes. So I think the wing depth is
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  really hurt the Hokies this season and it's gotten better
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  but that's probably the one area where I'd look at and say you
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  know the the plate is really holding this team back.
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  Absolutely. All right let's pivot next to
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  this guy. Alright, so it took forever for
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  him to play and then he plays and we're excited or cited
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  against it when he played in that Syracuse game.
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  First time we saw him Rodney rice and then he gets hurt.
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  He breaks his finger. For all of us is just like this,
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  like oh my gosh, but let me just ask you because I'm sure you
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  reviewed a lot of his tape in recruiting being down there.
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  You know you've seen him play how How much of an impact you
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  think that skill set would have on this roster?
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  Let's say he was healthy from Jump Street back in November.
• 18:58
  Well a lot. I mean I will say you know I
• 19:00
  didn't watch it kind of hits one high school but just you know,
• 19:02
  seeing how you placing it in practice, you need to kind of
• 19:05
  super long and athletic. He's a versatile playmaker.
• 19:08
  He can sort of you know, beat you off the bounce.
• 19:10
  I think the one thing about the mechanic system is that he
• 19:12
  typically recruits, you know, guys who can shoot guys who are
• 19:16
  skilled over those long athletic slasher types, which is more of
• 19:18
  the Biryani rice model, you know, sort of what dearest Max
• 19:22
  ideally would be prices guy when you have the extra component of
• 19:25
  like a slasher who just get to the cup and and score at will, I
• 19:28
  mean that provides so much even if it's only in a bench trial,
• 19:30
  like 10 to 10 to 12 minutes a game.
• 19:32
  I mean, that's, you know, that provides a ton especially,
• 19:34
  because he's a point guard. So radically he would be giving
• 19:39
  Sean Padula more minutes on the bench to rest, and then you can
• 19:42
  slide him, you know, at the one played guitar with them
• 19:45
  essentially, because I don't think that or I just don't like
• 19:47
  him. You know, being here like, you
• 19:49
  know, secondary point guard role I just I don't like his, you
• 19:53
  know, his vision necessarily worse.
• 19:55
  I don't think as like the speed or the handles to be effective
• 19:57
  in that role. Obviously is a shooting guard,
• 19:59
  that's what he is. So dealing with race, you could
• 20:01
  just have him play the back of 1 which would you know, give give
• 20:05
  padule-- some more rest and have Couture and everybody else
• 20:07
  playing their normal positions. So yeah, it's definitely been a
• 20:10
  big loss. I mean, like you thought, you
• 20:11
  know, Curtis you alluded to the fact that Tech was alone in one
• 20:14
  and non conference and that was without any rice.
• 20:16
  So it's not like this team is, you know, desperate I'm needing
• 20:19
  a guy like that, but it would provide a lot of boost, I think
• 20:22
  a conference play especially once he kind of gets his legs
• 20:24
  going. Yeah.
• 20:29
  And when we look at this, we've seen so many different kinds of
• 20:31
  versions of this hokey team this year between Couture being out
• 20:35
  in some of the forward and Center rotations that they've
• 20:38
  had what version, what lineup, what what, ideal playstyle?
• 20:45
  What game, what? Yeah, what yeah, what game
• 20:48
  showed the kind of the mold of what, the Hokies need to play
• 20:52
  over this the stretch run of the season.
• 20:54
  So they can Potentially secure a spot in the tournament without
• 20:59
  having to rely on running the table in Greensboro.
• 21:03
  Yeah, I mean if you're talking about a specific game I would
• 21:05
  say you know I would say Syracuse but that's little bit
• 21:07
  different because of the you know the defense they run the
• 21:10
  kind of attacked a lot differently but just looking at
• 21:13
  the you know, the games here. I mean you know, Oklahoma State
• 21:17
  I thought was actually a really impressive win because their
• 21:19
  team similar to Texas. Very big physical, they play
• 21:22
  good defense, not the best offensive team, but Tech won
• 21:24
  that game playing very poorly. I think they shot.
• 21:27
  What are they shoot? You know, 45 percentage and
• 21:29
  everything shot. 35% 43, which one very good.
• 21:31
  But They graded on a five-point against good team on a neutral
• 21:35
  site like that. That's type of wind where I was
• 21:37
  like, okay, this team is legit like, they're better than last
• 21:39
  year. You know, didn't quite turn out
• 21:41
  that way but, you know, the UNC win look good.
• 21:45
  Obviously, they didn't have baked cod, so I kind of played
• 21:47
  it but, you know, they took a another top 25 team in my
• 21:50
  opinion, 1 by 8 against them and then Dukas, well, I mean, I
• 21:55
  still think Duke is good, you know, after the Buddha was lost
• 21:58
  to to the Hokies they beat Georgia Tech by 43.
• 22:02
  So, So, you know, that's team in my opinion that is still kind of
• 22:04
  in that top 25 range even though they're not ranked, but Tech was
• 22:07
  able to beat them. They shot well from three, they
• 22:09
  play, you know, they got enough defense of stuff from the used
• 22:11
  to and they were building his about shaming Philip house key
• 22:15
  you know, 7-foot who handles the ball, the fitguard.
• 22:17
  Yeah. Mark Mitchell 06:48 being
• 22:18
  guarded by him to Collins like that's you know, that's a pretty
• 22:20
  big disparity there but they were they were able to get the
• 22:23
  win. So I mean just stuff like that.
• 22:24
  You know when you shoot you the ball, you just get enough
• 22:27
  defensive stops. You know, I think this is a team
• 22:28
  that it's never like, we are never going to play great
• 22:31
  defense under Can it just has to be that sort of like, borderline
• 22:34
  competent level, where we can get enough stops.
• 22:38
  So we're still friends, can, you know, can can give us a chance.
• 22:41
  So, your games, like that, Oklahoma State UNC, I mean, even
• 22:44
  the dating game, as well as probably much more accurate
• 22:46
  reflection of what this team can be, but it just hasn't really
• 22:49
  materialized in conference play. All right?
• 22:51
  I got one more question before we put it over to women's Hoops
• 22:55
  of the losses, which one pissed you off the most, which one?
• 22:58
  Why were you sitting there? I'm going to bring it to the
• 23:00
  head a little bit before we got on.
• 23:02
  Um, did you literally finish the game?
• 23:04
  Whether you're a castle or sitting there in your apartment?
• 23:06
  You just like I want a drink cuz I'm freaking angry.
• 23:09
  Like what the hell just happened?
• 23:10
  Which game which game I would say, based on how it played out?
• 23:15
  Okay, this is my honest answer, it was BC.
• 23:18
  It was not for not for any particular reason except for the
• 23:21
  fact that I just hate losing to that team because we cannot beat
• 23:24
  them. We cannot beat them at that damn
• 23:27
  building. What is the kanji for him only?
• 23:32
  General cannot win on that. By the way, I mean, did you see
• 23:35
  their win tonight? I mean, I don't know what it is.
• 23:41
  I mean, it doesn't make sense. We all do.
• 24:38
  And by the way, we're going to talk football schedule later
• 24:40
  with you. So we were so happy when they
• 24:44
  ditch divisions, right? So happy we don't have to go to
• 24:47
  PC anymore. Damn ACC.
• 24:50
  Hey, one more year and you're going to go on the road to be
• 24:53
  see one last time, we'll talk about that later.
• 24:56
  I brought let's go over to women's hoops man.
• 24:58
  Um let's just be realistic. This is a super talented Hokies
• 25:04
  women's team. They I've dropped a couple
• 25:08
  against similar ranked against Notre Dame.
• 25:09
  There is there is no shame in losing to Notre Dame but the
• 25:13
  Elegance Miami that one that one irritates me because it's like
• 25:18
  we know we're better than them. Then lost the dude.
• 25:21
  Last week Dixit stop pointing there's no ill will in that but
• 25:25
  what's the realistic ceiling in your opinion under Kenny Brooks
• 25:29
  this year? How far can this team go?
• 25:32
  Yeah, so when it comes to postseason basketball, I try not
• 25:35
  to talk in terms of ceiling, just because I know that the
• 25:38
  term is so random and so I don't want to define success or
• 25:41
  failure based on, you know, very specific individual outcomes.
• 25:45
  I will say that if I'm just judging based on Talent, like if
• 25:48
  I were to run like a thousand simulations that this season and
• 25:50
  some sort of computer model, I think that seemed absolutely has
• 25:53
  a talent to go to the Sweet 16 and I think they could make
• 25:56
  Italy day. Now, final fours are different,
• 25:58
  it's a different ballgame because the talent distribution,
• 26:01
  women's basketball is really Much more so than men's toward
• 26:03
  of that sort of at the top, like he got obviously the Yukons and
• 26:06
  the South Carolina is like, if you just look like this, those
• 26:09
  things are so much you know, farther ahead than every other
• 26:11
  team. Whereas I think in men's you
• 26:13
  have a you have a little bit more parity.
• 26:16
  So I, you know, I don't want to Define them too much, but, you
• 26:18
  know, if they can make a Deep Run in the ACC tournament, it
• 26:21
  certainly cable. If they can get to the Sweet 16,
• 26:23
  I would say, I would say this Curtis, they have to win the
• 26:27
  first weekend because because we are in women's basketball if you
• 26:29
  don't, if you don't know, you host the Regionals.
• 26:32
  Yeah. Yeah, whatever you call it, the
• 26:33
  first round, the second round. So there are 64 the round of 32
• 26:36
  you host at at the, at the upper seed.
• 26:39
  So if text hosting that, like, you got to win that.
• 26:41
  That's no. Excuse.
• 26:42
  You're playing at home, you're playing.
• 26:43
  It's, you know, probably like a 7-seater, you know, 15 seed.
• 26:47
  So you just get, you got to win that first weekend laws.
• 26:50
  Do I goes, Florida Gulf Coast and makes like, 600 threes or
• 26:54
  shoot, 60% from three? I mean, yeah.
• 27:03
  Against some of the tougher opponents they played to really
• 27:05
  play strong for three quarters, and then kind of fading that
• 27:08
  forth. Have you observed, anything?
• 27:10
  That would kind of explain you why?
• 27:13
  This team may fade a little bit down the stretch in those games?
• 27:17
  Yeah. So I haven't paid as much
• 27:19
  scrupulous attention to the women's team has have the men's,
• 27:22
  but I will say, just from what I've converted kind of observed,
• 27:24
  what? Met Brooks won't make it there
• 27:26
  at the most athletic team that's just, not the way they're built
• 27:29
  their Biltmore in like high IQ players, who, you know, who
• 27:31
  know, who know the game, who can move the ball, that's kind of
• 27:34
  their MO. And I think sometimes when that
• 27:36
  happens, if you're not really like athletically dominant your
• 27:39
  sometimes, you're going to run two opponents where you can, you
• 27:42
  know, kind of outwork you physically, and I think
• 27:45
  sometimes that's, that's happened to them.
• 27:47
  I'm just in terms of you know, the shot creation, you know,
• 27:49
  dribble penetration to the railroad stuff is kind of based
• 27:52
  on athleticism. So if the shots aren't falling
• 27:55
  occasionally, you're going to run into some misses and also,
• 27:58
  you know, Liz keightley is very that draw so much attention,
• 28:01
  like she will get double team, she'll get Triple team
• 28:03
  sometimes, and that's a lot harder to pass out of than it
• 28:07
  looks. I mean, she's got a lot better
• 28:08
  with that, you know, in terms of her her IQ, her Awareness on the
• 28:11
  curtain on the court knowing where the double teams are
• 28:13
  coming from. But she's if teams are targeting
• 28:16
  her You know, that means that other players have to be on the
• 28:20
  top of their game. And if they're not, then it
• 28:21
  becomes really hard because it's, you know, not easy to
• 28:24
  neutralize her. If you're double-teaming her
• 28:26
  triple, triple teaming her on every possession.
• 28:28
  You've got to have some ball up. That's just, that's just how it
• 28:30
  works. So it's kind of been coming on.
• 28:32
  Other players to serve, step up and sometimes, you know, it
• 28:35
  doesn't happen. Look like the way you should.
• 28:36
  But that being said, there's still a top 20 in the country,
• 28:39
  in my opinion. So I think, I think they'll be
• 28:41
  fun. I think you've already answered
• 28:43
  this next question. We have, you already talked
• 28:46
  about. We already talked about you
• 28:47
  know, tournament success I mean is the disappointment
• 28:50
  essentially not getting out of the first weekend at home Yes,
• 28:55
  mainly, because we're hosting like, you know, you got your
• 28:58
  home crowd with you and I think ideally you'd like to see Tech
• 29:01
  be three or four C at worst. I right now, they're ranked 13.
• 29:05
  So they're going to be a three or four seed ideal first, just
• 29:08
  that nothing goes, terribly wrong throughout the at the end
• 29:10
  of the year. So you're playing a 14 seed to
• 29:14
  start and then you would get probably the I guess would be
• 29:17
  the 611 winter after that. So I mean those those should do
• 29:19
  winnable games again on your home court where you're going to
• 29:22
  be favored. So definitely they, I would love
• 29:24
  to see this. Steam make it out of the out of
• 29:26
  the first weekend. Find anything else.
• 29:31
  Go ahead? Yeah, I will say, I definitely
• 29:32
  agree with that. Yeah, I think the, you know, the
• 29:34
  mark of failure would be okay. Well, back-to-back first-round
• 29:38
  exits. I was especially early,
• 29:39
  especially when you're hosting, so that would definitely be a
• 29:42
  disappointment. Let's flip it over, though.
• 29:45
  Let's flip it over to Hokies wrestling, which we know you
• 29:49
  have been sending. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 29:52
  We've seen you reporting live from the field.
• 29:55
  There's yeah. Let's run it back to NC State
• 30:01
  first. Let's run it back to NC State.
• 30:04
  5143 in Castle. Big-time atmosphere for
• 30:09
  wrestling. What was that?
• 30:10
  Like, it was awesome, man. You know, I went with my track,
• 30:13
  I went with my boys outdated Cunningham and a few others and
• 30:16
  we just had a good time. I think wrestling is a very
• 30:18
  underrated college sport. I would say pound for pound.
• 30:21
  It is probably one of the more energetic.
• 30:23
  Atmospheres of any sport you ever see just because it gets
• 30:27
  into it, you know, when two guys are going In the clock's ticking
• 30:30
  down, there's that there's little, the noise level, it's
• 30:32
  just awesome. And it's something that like I
• 30:34
  haven't experienced about my life because I've only been to a
• 30:36
  handful of wrestling matches. But when you get in there and
• 30:39
  you see you know the intensity, which it's awesome man.
• 30:41
  So it was super, super good to get that win because I know
• 30:44
  interstate is sort of like the premier program.
• 30:47
  Not that Tech isn't but like they are one of the Premier
• 30:49
  programs in the ACC and in the country.
• 30:51
  So so one of the good stem is like a win against UConn
• 30:53
  basketball. Like it's a it's a program to
• 30:55
  finding win. Yeah, it really is or one of the
• 30:58
  best in the country. I want to talk about a part of
• 31:01
  that atmosphere. That might was Andy Smith.
• 31:04
  The local kid when he secured that.
• 31:07
  When, like, you've been in Castle for basketball games, we
• 31:11
  know did that place shape when he got that final when he just
• 31:14
  secured the win. And got that point for
• 31:17
  essentially the upset, I don't know if it shook but say it was
• 31:21
  just as loud as if as if you know 100 or hit a game-winning
• 31:26
  three in Castle like that, it was loud man.
• 31:29
  And I believe I believe he was a second to last match of the
• 31:32
  night. If I'm not mistaken about that.
• 31:33
  Max hold on was it was definitely towards the end.
• 31:37
  I don't know. I don't know exactly where yeah
• 31:39
  there, but so I think yeah. So he got like a takedown or
• 31:43
  something to go up at the very end and then the he said, he was
• 31:47
  up by like, maybe like one or two and to the NC State player
• 31:50
  were, the wrestler was trying to get a takedown of him.
• 31:52
  It kind of had a like, you're up on one leg, sort of trying to,
• 31:55
  you know, Wrestling down and he did a great job of Defense, you
• 31:58
  know, staying upright time expired.
• 32:00
  So again I don't know anything about wrestling tintocalis, be
• 32:03
  good. Just tell like he did a great
• 32:04
  job of sealing out that match and that was what allowed Tech
• 32:07
  to to win the match. Ultimately so yeah, that's great
• 32:09
  job by him. Yeah, it was the next to last
• 32:11
  match. But what it did is it
• 32:12
  effectively put Tech up enough with Hunter, Hunter, kataka
• 32:17
  loss, but that wasn't expected loss.
• 32:20
  Yes, one of my fraternity, Brothers, David fuel, I've
• 32:23
  mentioned it before on here. He wrestled at Longwood He
• 32:26
  College, he is my go-to on wrestling, literally, I am
• 32:30
  seriously. If he feels like, it's going to
• 32:32
  be tough for him. He's a CPA.
• 32:35
  I'm seriously, when we go to Nationals, we might have him on
• 32:38
  for 15 minutes because he knows enough about it.
• 32:41
  And me, and him had a conversation after Bryce after
• 32:45
  Bryson, on the absolutely destroyed, a top-10 wrestler and
• 32:50
  I said, does Bryce have a chance?
• 32:51
  And he says, yeah, because the guy that wanted 157 went to 165
• 32:56
  And he says, 157 is not. As fact, he says, Bryce of Donna
• 33:00
  has a legitimate shot to win a National Title.
• 33:03
  And when we say that, I think Sam, what Anna does definitely.
• 33:07
  Oh, yeah, those. And that, I mean, it's
• 33:12
  excitement with something like that.
• 33:14
  I mean, even with the upset about it, and it sucked and we
• 33:17
  came out to gain, got pin, but you know, what's the overall
• 33:21
  Community there? I mean, is it similar to
• 33:24
  football and basketball where the community is Behind this
• 33:26
  program. Definitely, you can sense it.
• 33:30
  I mean, if you look at like, the growth of the program in the
• 33:31
  past, you know, 55 10 years it's been pretty to watch.
• 33:35
  Like, I know, you know, back in the 2000's like I'm a tech was
• 33:39
  horrible at wrestling like they were talking about cutting the
• 33:41
  program, so to see where kind of where it's come from our wisest,
• 33:46
  pretty pretty amazing. I know they've they've found a
• 33:48
  lot on Jay with it scrt. See at the Southeast Regional
• 33:50
  Training Center, couple guys, you know, practice and all that
• 33:54
  stuff. So they've had the financial
• 33:56
  backing of organizations like that.
• 33:58
  So I think they just, you know, the port the infrastructure to
• 34:01
  really win at a high level. I just can't wait to see what
• 34:03
  they can do, what they can do in the future.
• 34:07
  Yeah, I mean you know, we were we started following well, I
• 34:12
  shouldn't say following football, bit attending a lot of
• 34:14
  hockey football other hokey events in the 2000s.
• 34:18
  And definitely within that era it was definitely an
• 34:20
  afterthought you know, wrestling wasn't really even given given
• 34:24
  any sort of credence from a sports perspective in Virginia
• 34:29
  Tech Athletics. So the fact that it's built that
• 34:32
  much of a reputation that quick is really important.
• 34:35
  Oppressive and I love that the community's really kind of
• 34:38
  embraced that and jumped on board.
• 34:41
  Yeah. And it's great to see and eat
• 34:43
  and I think it's any time you get to the National prominence
• 34:45
  that quickly and when it's on television, which the ACC could
• 34:50
  do a better freakin job of. Because I last time we were on
• 34:54
  here, I ran and I don't understand how Cornell Virginia
• 34:59
  Tech was not on the SEC network. It was literally the number 7
• 35:02
  and the number 8 wrestling schools in the country.
• 35:05
  Going at it. It and instead, it was a
• 35:07
  freaking 3430 right there at 7:00 and it's just like terrible
• 35:11
  production, but, you know, give me, give me a few more drinks.
• 35:15
  I mean, I really go off on the SEC network.
• 35:17
  Yeah, we'll break out the thus, Pirtle tapes and lay them out.
• 35:22
  I shall hang on what this here before we get into some more fun
• 35:25
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• 35:54
  Alrighty. So, Sheldon, thanks for staying
• 35:56
  with us for the rest of the time.
• 35:58
  And we are going to get into some hokey football.
• 36:00
  We are the boundary Corner. We are a Hokie Football podcast.
• 36:03
  Cast. It's fun to talk the other
• 36:06
  stuff. We love it.
• 36:07
  We love having guests. Like you on, you mentioned David
• 36:09
  Cunningham who's been on numerous times.
• 36:12
  We thought about bravery. You think we should bring David
• 36:14
  for the December episode one time?
• 36:15
  Run got to do it. You got.
• 36:18
  Yeah we got we got to get David Suburban with us.
• 36:21
  Exactly, let's talk football and let's talk portal because since
• 36:25
  the last time we come here, there was the end of the portal
• 36:27
  and there was some movement in the last few days and sort of a
• 36:30
  big move, I did not see coming. Bronze all coming but maybe you
• 36:35
  did. Shelton was Keyshawn, team
• 36:38
  enters the portal. You know, King coming off of,
• 36:40
  you know, solid season. Probably the best.
• 36:42
  He'd look, since being at Tech including his freshman year, you
• 36:46
  know, over 400 yards, rushing 100 yards.
• 36:50
  Receiving that is our code jump friend, Robbie Compton.
• 36:54
  Um let's let's show up and start with it run.
• 37:00
  When did you see this coming? Did you hear anything or were
• 37:03
  you shocked? That he decided to enter the
• 37:06
  portal. No, I was very surprised.
• 37:08
  I did not see that coming at all, you know, I thought King
• 37:11
  Elvis had a good season. For us last year.
• 37:14
  And I bring a year from, he was healthy, like he was easy time
• 37:17
  of the doghouse during the Clinton era, you know, for
• 37:20
  reasons that, you know, maybe some Justified, maybe not.
• 37:24
  But, you know, he's also got with injuries and so to see and
• 37:26
  have a breakout year. Like, this was pretty, pretty
• 37:29
  awesome. I think he, I don't like him as
• 37:31
  an every down to the back, I think he's just too small for
• 37:34
  that to the type of role. So I'm guessing maybe he saw.
• 37:36
  Kind of the writing on the wall, he saw the transfer is coming in
• 37:39
  and just felt like he wasn't really going to get the carries
• 37:41
  that he wanted. I'm not, you know, trying to
• 37:42
  project onto him. Just you know how it goes most
• 37:44
  of the time so let's pricing move.
• 37:46
  But you know in the long run if if if what people are saying
• 37:49
  about this inkling back from in C and T is true, I think it's
• 37:52
  not going to be the biggest deal in the world because we got
• 37:54
  some, got some studs at running back.
• 37:57
  Yeah. We were talking about that
• 37:58
  because if you're looking at, you got Thomas, you got now to
• 38:04
  Dan come in, who were going to talk about the second, you know,
• 38:06
  Keshawn King kind of becomes that more change of pace back.
• 38:10
  He's also probably impressed for some carries by Bryce.
• 38:13
  Is Dooku, kind of do similar type things and maybe coming
• 38:17
  into his own, in terms of, you know, being a little bit more
• 38:20
  durable than King is shown in his career.
• 38:24
  So when you kind of put all those pieces together it kind of
• 38:27
  makes sense for him to maybe look at another opportunity but
• 38:31
  let's go ahead and flip it over. Let's talk about Bay Schulte
• 38:34
  uddin Ali stud coming out of NC A&T.
• 38:40
  I mean stud Top 15 in the portal ranked by on three.
• 38:45
  He is the 15th ranked running back in the portal ahead of some
• 38:50
  guys. You know that played at ahead of
• 38:53
  Kobe Pace, right? About right with Kobe pay.
• 38:55
  Someone from Clemson to UVA the Penn State transfer.
• 39:00
  Where did it go? I'm on a new computer.
• 39:02
  So this is a pain in the but it doesn't do it.
• 39:03
  I want to do yet the key vonlee from pin ephiny, efforting
• 39:09
  efforting efforting, just the William Thomas that went from
• 39:13
  10. I see to Cal and come out.
• 39:16
  Nothing nothing Auntie was his only show the law for them. 24/7
• 39:21
  he's up at a pulse in New Jersey, 511 195, but I mean, you
• 39:26
  look at the tape and what he did at A&T last year stat-wise, I
• 39:32
  love the move. I love it.
• 39:35
  Yeah, and I mean I watch some tape on the kid.
• 39:37
  I mean he does a little bit of everything he can.
• 39:40
  He can catch some balls out of the backfield.
• 39:42
  Make guys missing space. He's really good at finishing
• 39:45
  runs. Has that next gear when he gets
• 39:48
  to the second level? Third level the defense where he
• 39:51
  can kind of pull away for the big run.
• 39:53
  So, kind of does a little bit of everything for us.
• 39:56
  I mean, I'm looking forward to seeing what he can do a little
• 39:59
  bit in the spring to kind of get a better feel of what he's going
• 40:02
  to do in this offense. You know, if he enrolled are ya,
• 40:08
  Dad, I do not know what were you about to say, I'm sorry, I was
• 40:17
  wrapping it up. So you're just kind of like, oh
• 40:20
  yeah, just like Brian saying I read French is a film review on
• 40:24
  the key play, you know, he's obviously he's physical, he's
• 40:26
  got some speed, he's elusive, I basically the since I got
• 40:29
  reading that piece was like, this is not a guy that should be
• 40:32
  planned at the FCS level, like he's a legit power 5 running
• 40:34
  back. So I think it kind of adds a
• 40:36
  lot. To that room.
• 40:38
  And like you said, you know, one of the top ranked one of the top
• 40:41
  during transfers and you add to that alley Jennings who I
• 40:44
  believe. According to on three was a
• 40:45
  tough, bring Spencer wide receiver.
• 40:47
  So you add those two guys, I mean, that's a pretty good
• 40:49
  transfer class. Like, I know, Bill Connelly,
• 40:51
  who, who does the SP plus rankings for football?
• 40:53
  He said, Virginia Tech, Virginia, Tech's transfer class
• 40:56
  was super impressive. So coming from a guy like him,
• 40:58
  like that's got to be High, Praise.
• 41:00
  Yeah. Absolutely.
• 41:01
  And it's and he also is talking about the return production on
• 41:03
  top of those transfer portal, guys.
• 41:05
  He he's got us here. Talking about us which, you
• 41:08
  know, I'm trying to temper the expectation.
• 41:10
  We still got to see what all the pieces look like together.
• 41:13
  So that's why we're tempering up expectations, but we actually
• 41:18
  have some pieces moving into the season whereas last year, was
• 41:23
  kind of like we got a hope a lot of things happen.
• 41:26
  We got a hope, a lot of things happen, right?
• 41:28
  And it didn't for us, but I feel like we, at least have pieces
• 41:32
  that are in place. Let's see if the coaches can get
• 41:34
  the scheme to where they can take advantage of those.
• 41:37
  And let's see these guys go out there and cook a little bit
• 41:39
  abso-freakin'-lutely. But speaking of getting to the
• 41:43
  season, before we do that, you got to go through winter
• 41:45
  workouts and clearly that is now on display social media team,
• 41:49
  doing a great job, showing the guys showing the workouts and
• 41:54
  then they started coming out with the little recognition
• 41:57
  every week in the winter workout.
• 41:59
  Tough athletes and thus far, Johnny Garrett, Jalen Stroman,
• 42:04
  Morel Pollard and Jaden Keller have a seat Really received the
• 42:08
  awards Brown, I let you leave. Who are you?
• 42:11
  Happy is to see on this list of essentially, crushing the winter
• 42:15
  workouts, can I hedge can, I can, I can, I, can I give you 1
• 42:19
  a 1 B? There is no one anyone but you
• 42:22
  got. All right, screwin Johnny
• 42:23
  Garrett, I knew you was going on.
• 42:28
  What? So why do I say, Johnny?
• 42:30
  Garrett, because we need tackle help.
• 42:33
  If Johnny Garrett can get to a point where he is, at least
• 42:36
  pushing Parker Clements coming into 2023.
• 42:41
  I feel a whole lot better about the offensive tackle situation
• 42:45
  than I felt last year because I feel like we at least have three
• 42:50
  legitimate guys that can at least give you something, they
• 42:55
  can least be that starting caliber player.
• 42:58
  Or whether they're going out there and beat the world.
• 43:01
  I don't know if we'll get to that point this year, and I
• 43:04
  don't think we will, but I just want to see confident offensive
• 43:07
  line, play consistent, offensive line play.
• 43:09
  Because we didn't see that a whole lot last year.
• 43:12
  So if Johnny Garrett can get to that point and push for a
• 43:15
  starting role in 2023, that'll be a big step forward.
• 43:17
  So seeing him getting some recognition, is a good start to
• 43:22
  that offseason. All right.
• 43:24
  What about you shell? Who are you?
• 43:26
  We do need dogs up front, who are you?
• 43:28
  Excited to see on that list. Sort of already making an
• 43:31
  impression on winter workouts. I would say Keller between
• 43:37
  between want to mention. I mean he's a stud the kind of
• 43:41
  lesson to stud man that linebacker room is is pretty
• 43:43
  good. I do have some insight scoop to
• 43:45
  report if I made my mouse inside of here.
• 43:49
  So I was at P K's on Saturday night after the Hokies, whenever
• 43:52
  Syracuse and Brent was in attendance.
• 43:55
  He may or may not have had several drinks and he may or may
• 43:58
  not have used several several four-letter words to describe
• 44:03
  the the state of that of that. Room and a very positive
• 44:06
  connotation, right. But only basically between
• 44:10
  Keller Lawson and I believe, McDonald is a third, a third
• 44:13
  linebacker. He thinks that line back room
• 44:15
  could be one of the best in the country in the coming years and
• 44:18
  I believe him like that. Those guys are just awesome and
• 44:20
  I love Kelly's, like range and versatility athleticism, the
• 44:23
  length and all that stuff, and and color as well too.
• 44:26
  So I'm super excited about about that room.
• 44:29
  Also, I love seeing all the names on here.
• 44:31
  I love, I love your inside scoop from P K's on Saturday night
• 44:34
  after cocktails with He's very, he's a very candid, Man.
• 44:38
  By the way? He, yes, time, we met him when
• 44:42
  he did, the party tailgate out there in Richmond and Hardy
• 44:45
  would so, yeah, we definitely, he definitely knows how to work
• 44:49
  a room. He definitely knows how to how
• 44:51
  to, how to play loose with with, with people that he knows he can
• 44:54
  play loose with, so I appreciate that for sure.
• 44:57
  Yeah, now y'all like those two. I'm going to tell you the guy, I
• 44:59
  like because it's somebody we mentioned in our Alpha Dogs
• 45:02
  episode and it's Jalen strowman. I told Brian.
• 45:05
  Ron, we discussed that eventually Jalen Stroman would
• 45:09
  be the leader of the D-Block. I see this.
• 45:12
  He is getting that way a lot quicker.
• 45:15
  We already saw him play on the field last year.
• 45:16
  He looked good in really his first significant amount of
• 45:19
  action especially those games when he was pressed to have to
• 45:22
  move back to free safety when Shamari came down to play
• 45:25
  nickel. And now, he's out here
• 45:27
  absolutely falling on winter workouts.
• 45:29
  We know the bloodline We know his brother essentially was a
• 45:34
  leader at the Block. That makes me excited in brown.
• 45:38
  I'll go ahead and say it too. It's all so excited to see
• 45:40
  Pollard up there because we talked about how Pollard
• 45:43
  probably is going to be the leader of the defensive line
• 45:45
  this year vocally. And so when you see that in
• 45:49
  Britain Prime mentioned it, last offseason, the winter workouts
• 45:52
  is where you figure out who your leaders.
• 45:54
  Are you figure out who your dogs are and when you see it's guys
• 45:57
  you know they're going to be on the field.
• 45:59
  A lot in someone like Johnny Gat who Look into the too deep of
• 46:02
  two times on the depth chart are in the season.
• 46:05
  That's what you want to see in my opinion.
• 46:09
  Yeah, it's definitely a big step forward, I think so.
• 46:12
  And we talked about it. We said we talked about in the
• 46:14
  last episode of the Alpha Dog episode.
• 46:15
  We were like these are the guys that are going to need to step
• 46:17
  up the offseason. It's nice to see three names
• 46:20
  that we mentioned in that episode already being recognized
• 46:24
  and then it's nice to see kind of that dark horse in Johnny
• 46:26
  Garrett taking a big step forward and hopefully it's not
• 46:30
  just something that's, you know, a workout Warrior type
• 46:32
  situation. They were going to start seeing
• 46:34
  that production carry over to what happens on the field.
• 46:38
  Lately, a couple other notes fontelle.
• 46:42
  Mine got paid. He got paid a lot.
• 46:47
  Well, dessert very well. Deserved the man, the man has
• 46:52
  eight, the 804 for lunch and dinner and he's doing some good
• 46:57
  work. Laying some Foundation out of
• 46:59
  the 75-72 gets a big bump from 150k up to 425.
• 47:08
  I like it. I mean, and if and when we look
• 47:10
  at the movement in the footprint, in terms of wide
• 47:15
  receiver coaches, that's also happened.
• 47:19
  It was it was both warranted and needed.
• 47:21
  Yes, it was. Yes, I'm lucky.
• 47:25
  You got to pick, you got to pay coach these, whatever good
• 47:27
  football team. I mean, I talk to you know, last
• 47:30
  year In a future piece, I did for the key play.
• 47:33
  I talked about how Tech fell behind sort of during this
• 47:35
  intense. In terms of, you know, their
• 47:36
  infrastructure. There are some, their financial,
• 47:38
  you know, back in the program. And one of those areas was
• 47:41
  coaching salaries. I mean, we just didn't we just
• 47:43
  weren't investing and coaching stars as much as we should have
• 47:45
  been. And so to see that kind of
• 47:47
  change is last couple years where we invested in this new
• 47:50
  staff. Now you give fontelle, mine's a
• 47:52
  guy who's been doing a great job, recruiting, you know, a
• 47:55
  three or 30 percent, raise, or whatever it is like.
• 47:58
  That's, I mean, that's that shows commitment, and I'm really
• 48:00
  excited because It shows that they're committed to having him
• 48:02
  here. And I also think with wide
• 48:04
  receivers like that's a, that's a position because, you know,
• 48:06
  that's kind of how You know, it's such an integral part of
• 48:10
  the offense, like you got to get at those studs here and you kind
• 48:13
  of open the passing game. If you want have a functional,
• 48:15
  we're going to functional offense.
• 48:17
  So it's a great, it's a great thing for found.
• 48:19
  Tell obviously, having for him, and certainly happy for Virginia
• 48:22
  Tech. Absolutely.
• 48:23
  And to make to the point on that case about the needing good wide
• 48:26
  receivers. It looked like they identified
• 48:29
  that after the off. So, after the season and weekly,
• 48:32
  you know, obviously the three guys in the portal with pretty
• 48:36
  quick moves, which I think this is Playing bass are very excited
• 48:39
  about and I have a feeling especially we know the alley
• 48:41
  Ginny's connection. We know how much he had probably
• 48:43
  in getting him here. As like you said, a top rated on
• 48:46
  three guy. So that was huge and he did
• 48:48
  deserve it. He's busting his ass.
• 48:51
  He's done great. Recruiting here.
• 48:52
  He started to put the wall around Richmond to where it's.
• 48:55
  Now he's getting everybody here it's can he get the next step?
• 49:00
  Can he get those top five top ten guys in the you know,
• 49:05
  Greater Richmond region and this Year.
• 49:09
  We'll see. He has the opportunity.
• 49:11
  He does have the opportunity this year.
• 49:13
  Yes. All right and one thing to add
• 49:15
  to that, one thing I had that real quick, obviously we know
• 49:18
  for gtex offense was terrible last year, but the fact that
• 49:21
  fontelle could convince a guy like Alec Jennings with just
• 49:23
  your eligibility left to come play for him.
• 49:25
  I think speaks volumes. She was recruiting.
• 49:27
  Look obviously recruiting is all about selling cars on a vision.
• 49:30
  And so, I think what you're kind of seeing is like he's coaches,
• 49:32
  can sell players on what the future is going to look like and
• 49:35
  even if they're not necessarily part of it.
• 49:37
  So I think I think that's me. X to the recruiting building on.
• 49:40
  Yeah, because I mean Jennings would have had a lot of
• 49:42
  opportunities elsewhere. He didn't have to come to a
• 49:44
  situation where Tech is coming off one of its worst offensive
• 49:48
  Seasons at least in recent history.
• 49:51
  If not in overall, I'll be teaching at the we had to go
• 49:54
  back 15 years. At least I really have any sort
• 49:58
  of comparable metric to look at in terms of offensive output.
• 50:02
  So the fact that he was able to sell that the fact that the
• 50:07
  other offensive churches were able to kind of put that
• 50:09
  together with what they were doing with a big push for
• 50:12
  drones, which seems like very calculated.
• 50:15
  Well, before we knew, what was going down with that, they had a
• 50:19
  vision, they had targeted guys that they really wanted to
• 50:22
  pursue and then they put it together.
• 50:24
  And, you know, we now have an offense that we can, at least
• 50:27
  say, all right, we've got some Talent.
• 50:29
  Let's, let's see how we can put all the pieces together, and if
• 50:32
  we can make that click a little bit, absolutely.
• 50:36
  Um, if Doesn't know, already spring game April, 15 3 p.m.
• 50:41
  Shelton. I'm assuming you'll be their
• 50:44
  work schedule permitting. Yes, work schedule permitting
• 50:47
  from you're making plans, right? Oh yeah, I'll be there.
• 50:51
  No doubt book it, I'm a coin flip, I don't know.
• 50:55
  Yeah, we've got kids stuff going on and anytime there's a lot of
• 50:58
  kids stuff going on. I usually have to lay on it
• 51:00
  because as much as I want to go to the spring game, I'm going to
• 51:04
  a game this year so I'll lay on the grenade and loose spring
• 51:07
  game. Something interesting ACC
• 51:09
  network is doing this year, they are not, I don't think they're
• 51:11
  showing any game live because there's so many on the same days
• 51:14
  that are overlapping all going to be on extra and then they're
• 51:16
  going to show them, I believe the subsequent days.
• 51:19
  So if you guys are looking to catch it after you, both go
• 51:22
  there and watch the game do that.
• 51:24
  Yeah, so there I think what they were trying to avoid is what
• 51:27
  they had last year where they were having, like, spring games
• 51:29
  played at night and shit like that.
• 51:32
  They were essentially saying it'll be on the SEC network
• 51:36
  extra if you want. want to watch it Live program by program and
• 51:41
  then if not if you if you just get the network then you'll see
• 51:45
  it when it airs, re-airs, whatever, one day, two days
• 51:48
  later, It makes us from a scheduling standpoint.
• 51:52
  Is that scheduling last year was a little bit Bonkers.
• 51:55
  I mean we probably got We got both screwed in terms of the
• 52:00
  day, but we got, I think we came out.
• 52:02
  Okay? In terms of the time.
• 52:04
  Yeah, but you know, it's tough. So they went to this, this, this
• 52:11
  model this year. Once again, the ACC doesn't know
• 52:14
  how to schedule shit, they don't like you.
• 52:18
  Like you've got dew point super early spring game every year.
• 52:22
  It's like there are four weekends in April that you could
• 52:25
  schedule these and you could get this This shit done, anything
• 52:29
  you want to add because it seemed like you were coming
• 52:31
  behind me. Sheldon with some know, they're
• 52:33
  what they're going to do is show a documentary about Wake.
• 52:35
  Forest is 1964 basketball, team hit the rim shot there.
• 52:41
  By the way, we got Robbie says he's going to try to go Braun.
• 52:45
  All right? So so Robbie, you're robbing me,
• 52:47
  man. Aren't you gonna drive to North
• 52:50
  Wilkesboro? Get him, and then go up.
• 52:51
  He's gonna have a shorter Drive than you meet me at Jason's me a
• 52:54
  ronin. Buddy Levar is going as well,
• 53:01
  but let's flip it. Brian, let's talk one last
• 53:03
  before we close out tonight. Let's talk about the ACC
• 53:06
  schedule was released yesterday. Best thing about the Hokie
• 53:10
  schedule was we knew who our first for opponent was based on
• 53:13
  the other leagues already having their schedule set?
• 53:17
  And you know we lead off with ODU on the second Labor Day
• 53:20
  weekend Purdue at home on the 9th and then back-to-back Road
• 53:25
  games at Rutgers and Marshall as the S4 and you know, subsequent
• 53:30
  everybody saw anybody seen it now from last night so I'll
• 53:33
  throw. What do you guys Sheldon?
• 53:36
  The slow with you. What's the toughest for game
• 53:39
  stretch of this season times 4 again stretched?
• 53:43
  Well let me pull it up real quick.
• 53:46
  I mean I would say once you start conference play you know I
• 53:52
  would say it was. Let's go September and October
• 53:54
  so pit Florida State Wake Forest.
• 53:58
  All right. Um, I mean that's, you know, I
• 54:01
  just, I never liked the match with pit.
• 54:02
  Like they've got a big physical defensive, like, we just, we
• 54:05
  don't play them very well. You know, obviously last year
• 54:07
  being a private primary example, you know, for to say it's the
• 54:11
  road and he's gone Mike Norvell, that's a really tough.
• 54:16
  I don't anticipate, you know, game like 2018 where they fumble
• 54:19
  the ball six times and we you know recover every single one of
• 54:22
  them so and he got wait for its now.
• 54:26
  Wake wake is Resting because they're listening to him Hartman
• 54:29
  but they have Mitch Griffiths who was as backup last year.
• 54:33
  I saw him in the view, my game is first game of the season
• 54:35
  actually played pretty well. I think he's got a good arm.
• 54:37
  There's going to be some sort of, you know, drop off there.
• 54:40
  But with Clausen I trust him to kind of get the most out of his
• 54:43
  offensive guys. So you know, that's a game where
• 54:45
  it's like you know you kind of got to be on your toes a little
• 54:47
  bit and then Syracuse kind of probably started off.
• 54:52
  Good locked. I think there are five a note
• 54:54
  taper off towards the end but there are team that you know you
• 54:56
  got to take seriously. So That's me, touch your ex that
• 54:58
  those games October. I mean, it's it's really tough.
• 55:02
  Yeah, I was looking at the schedule.
• 55:04
  I agree with you. In terms of the four game
• 55:06
  stretch, it's got to be there's first for to open ACC play and
• 55:10
  then looking at the schedule as a whole, you know, we really
• 55:14
  have a lot of we outside of Clemson is there.
• 55:18
  Really? Any sure thing in the ACC, like
• 55:21
  I feel like there's, there's not, I was like, I feel like,
• 55:25
  yeah, Florida State's probably the close close This because
• 55:28
  they're not retooling, as much as saying.
• 55:30
  NC State who also has probably a pretty good roster as well, but
• 55:33
  they're not retooling as much as they are.
• 55:36
  But just looking at it top to bottom.
• 55:38
  I mean you know pits bringing in obviously a new quarterback that
• 55:42
  is familiar with ACC play but at the same time is yeah,
• 55:47
  unfamiliar with the system, may be getting them early in
• 55:51
  conference. Play might be working in our
• 55:53
  favor but it's still, you know, a month into the season.
• 55:56
  Who knows with that? FSU are they back is FS you
• 56:00
  back. I think this is the season that
• 56:03
  kind of maybe answers that question.
• 56:06
  You know as you said you already talked about wake breaking in a
• 56:08
  new quarterback can Syracuse defense hold up enough.
• 56:12
  Without having an elite rushing attack or an elite rusher, I
• 56:15
  should say, you know, we'll see their Louisville.
• 56:20
  First year under Brom BC is kind of a clusterfuck in their
• 56:26
  retooling. They're probably the only I'm
• 56:28
  unsure thing. It's in Chestnut Hill.
• 56:31
  Damn it. It is in Chestnut Hill.
• 56:34
  So so you know they've got that in their corner, you know NC
• 56:38
  State is going to be playing with a new quarterback but
• 56:41
  they're still going to be a good team.
• 56:43
  They're still going to be good on defense.
• 56:44
  They are losing their most of their linebacking Corps.
• 56:48
  Those. So that's something to keep an
• 56:50
  eye on and those are the big time play makers, then you got
• 56:53
  UVA that maybe Edging towards dumpster fire, maybe, but they
• 57:01
  were much improved on defense last year.
• 57:02
  So we'll see if their defense takes another step or they can
• 57:05
  kind of, you know, figure take some time to figure it out on
• 57:10
  offense. They may be at that point at
• 57:11
  that point in the season. But there's so many question
• 57:13
  marks with just about every team, not being Clemson and
• 57:17
  maybe Florida State in this conference, all right, I'm going
• 57:20
  to say, I agree with two of the four.
• 57:23
  Y'all chose as the toughest for drain stretch.
• 57:26
  But I'm going to go this, I think it's Rutgers.
• 57:28
  Marshall Pittman Florida State. There's three Road games in four
• 57:32
  weeks and you got to play pit to shelters.
• 57:34
  Point plan, that big defensive line Rutgers is Greg Schiano.
• 57:38
  We know they are going to play an ugly brand of football,
• 57:41
  everybody even though it was Kyle flood his Protege.
• 57:44
  Everybody remembers the damn Champs Sports Bowl in Orlando,
• 57:48
  back in 2012 and what an ugly game that was.
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  So you're going to get an ugly game up there with a defensive
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  minded head coach, then you gotta go on the Road to
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  Marshall. And, you know, they are going to
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  be similar to ODU and anybody else we faced in state or a
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  close proximity in the last five years, they are going to be.
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  So up for that game, they are going to probably be sold out,
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  just probably an insane atmosphere for them.
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  Then you got to flip around, then you got to play pit, then
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  you got to go to FSU and also put that stress because that is
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  also a stretch where it could really break, or make or break
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  the season. Because if you screw up and lose
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  the Rutgers, or the Marshall game, which is very, very
• 58:32
  palpable, you could be going into the pit game, two, and two,
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  or maybe even one in three. And then it's just like, okay,
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  well now you got to beat pitted home.
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  And look at the rest of the schedule.
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  And that's kind of where I said, I that's why I consider it
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  tougher than the other ones. Because at least we're getting a
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  Thursday night and off a bye week.
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  With Syracuse, at least Sam Harmon isn't playing I know you
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  saw the kid play Sheldon versus VMI, but at least it's, it's not
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  them at their best, we know clausen's against, but it's not
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  them at their best. Besides, there was a three plus
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  years starters. Exactly.
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  Yeah. And tons of weapons all over the
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  place or Boogie, really good defensive players.
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  All right, let me, let me flip this.
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  And and I feel like this is just, you know, it is what it
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  is. What's gonna be the best home
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  game this year? Or what were you thinking?
• 59:29
  They want to go to that next home game this year.
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  Who do you produce weight Syracuse and State?
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  Man I would say I probably go State just because I think
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  they're good team. So you know, if you're that your
• 59:50
  top may be a top 25 team coming into company Lane Stadium late
• 59:53
  in the season and Shop a few wins go.
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  Like I know what 6 + 6 + 4 before that, you know, it'd be a
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  big win for us. That's a game where maybe if
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  like if they come in with like a name to record and practiced
• 1:00:07
  beat that it's like, okay, now we're back as a program so
• 1:00:10
  that's the, I think. Sir potential, potentially very
• 1:00:14
  big thick, a big opportunity for us.
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  All right. Well yeah I'm going to actually
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  I'm gonna go pit just because of the history just because of its
• 1:00:27
  ACC opener there. I think there's a lot that's
• 1:00:30
  going to be kind of riding on that in terms of getting off to
• 1:00:33
  a good start in the ACC this year.
• 1:00:34
  So I'm gonna go pit. You know, I can definitely make
• 1:00:38
  a case for NC State and Purdue the only reason I'd lean away
• 1:00:42
  from Purdue because they replacing their coach.
• 1:00:44
  We don't really know what caliber team that's going to be
• 1:00:48
  but it's early in the season. So there's always He's that kind
• 1:00:51
  of hoping there's always that hype.
• 1:00:52
  So if they win their first game and coming to coming to Lane,
• 1:00:56
  especially after the season they had last year, there's going to
• 1:00:58
  be some some hype and build up behind that game as well.
• 1:01:01
  But I still just because of the history just because of the ACC
• 1:01:04
  opener and just because it's a team that I think we need to win
• 1:01:10
  because we haven't historically done that well against them in
• 1:01:13
  recent years. So I think it's going to be the
• 1:01:15
  big game. It's a good barometer for sure.
• 1:01:19
  It's a good barometer for sure. I'm gonna disagree with both of
• 1:01:23
  you, because regardless of who it is, anytime there's a
• 1:01:27
  Thursday night Lane Stadium game.
• 1:01:30
  It's the special game. Now, what the hope is, we're
• 1:01:34
  going into that game playing really well, because we do have
• 1:01:38
  about a week leading up to it after the Wake Forest game.
• 1:01:41
  So, it's that extra height because let's just be let's
• 1:01:45
  let's just call it what it is. If they could go into that game
• 1:01:48
  with two losses. After seven games and B, 5 and
• 1:01:53
  2. Can you think about coming after
• 1:01:56
  the Wake Forest game and how people would be talking?
• 1:01:58
  Hey were five and two were playing.
• 1:02:00
  Well we chance to lock up a bulb, it right here on Thursday
• 1:02:04
  night where we wear, so many special moments have happened in
• 1:02:07
  the history of this program. So many special moments, And
• 1:02:13
  Sheldon, you're young. And this is, this is the great
• 1:02:15
  part about having you know how young you are.
• 1:02:16
  It's like the Quarry more game forever entrenched in our
• 1:02:20
  generation. I think someone like your age.
• 1:02:23
  Do you remember the Darren Evans game?
• 1:02:27
  In, or you was Darren Evans versus Maryland when he
• 1:02:31
  legitimately truck the safety. I mean he frequently and I
• 1:02:34
  wasn't for my time. Okay, album I can't remember how
• 1:02:40
  young man waiting. I'm waiting.
• 1:02:43
  I'm waiting, I'm waiting for my time.
• 1:02:45
  This is your mama. There you go.
• 1:02:47
  Take goes in 70 and squashes Syracuse, 63 7, and then you
• 1:02:52
  have the moment for Thursday night.
• 1:02:55
  Yeah. But I'd love to see us blow out
• 1:02:57
  of here again. That'd be.
• 1:02:58
  That'd be one of those days where I'm just 2016.
• 1:03:03
  It just absolutely dump-truckin Carolina.
• 1:03:06
  Just dump truck in that ass 55. What 5510?
• 1:03:10
  And it seemed like Ricky Walker's, everybody scoring a
• 1:03:13
  touchdown. It was just like God, I miss
• 1:03:15
  those days. I can off the high here.
• 1:03:20
  Toughest place to play this year.
• 1:03:23
  You already already know - Chestnut Hill Florida, State's
• 1:03:25
  going to be loud. Louisville's going to be banging
• 1:03:29
  Chestnut Hill early November, which we like 23 degrees because
• 1:03:34
  they're going to somehow put that game at ACC Network at
• 1:03:37
  night, and it's going to be the red bandana.
• 1:03:39
  Bridezilla going to be the red bandana game and I'm still going
• 1:03:45
  to lean away from that just because I feel like BC is just
• 1:03:49
  there going to be a notch below where they were overall Talent
• 1:03:54
  than they were last year. Even though I think they
• 1:03:56
  probably fill in some of the holes that roster had last year.
• 1:04:00
  I think they're probably better on the offensive line this year
• 1:04:04
  than they were last year, but I still think overall, they're
• 1:04:06
  going to be a notch down. I'm looking at FSU, You I think
• 1:04:10
  I think that's kind of the maybe the low-hanging fruit here, but
• 1:04:13
  I'm going to take it. The game is going to be high.
• 1:04:18
  There's going to be some swag surfing.
• 1:04:20
  There's going to be some some chops.
• 1:04:24
  There's going to be a whole lot of noise and I think it's going
• 1:04:27
  to be a big one. It's going to be a tough one,
• 1:04:28
  but if we can go down there and do some business, then,
• 1:04:32
  especially if we take care of business the weeks before.
• 1:04:35
  There's no start being some conversations, so That's fine
• 1:04:40
  Sheldon. Yeah, it's got to be for his
• 1:04:43
  statement. They've got they've got a stud
• 1:04:45
  quarterback coming back. They've got a good head coach
• 1:04:48
  and we combine that with with the atmosphere they have, I know
• 1:04:50
  people talk about BC but it's like when you're when you're
• 1:04:52
  playing a really good team in a pack environment like that's
• 1:04:55
  really tough. So I got to go FSU.
• 1:04:58
  All righty. One more thing before we kind of
• 1:05:01
  close it up here tonight. That's great to schedule.
• 1:05:04
  Let's kind of look at it because I mean, Florida, State's
• 1:05:07
  obviously, the big one like ice again, we're putting on it.
• 1:05:10
  But like, what you mentioned earlier, Brian, a lot of
• 1:05:13
  questions with a lot of these teams.
• 1:05:15
  A lot of questions. I mean, even on those days, you
• 1:05:17
  know, there's three there's four out of conference games, a lot
• 1:05:20
  of questions there. You know, where do we put this?
• 1:05:25
  You know, in terms of who were playing where we're playing on
• 1:05:27
  when we're playing them, where would you grade it Shelton.
• 1:05:32
  In terms of, I guess if you were to like excitability, I mean,
• 1:05:36
  how does he see? Personally, I know that just
• 1:05:38
  don't Arch. Maybe si si - like look, it's
• 1:05:41
  just, you know, Purdue and Rutgers and Marshall like how am
• 1:05:44
  I supposed to say? No to you made like that our
• 1:05:46
  Marquee game. Our Marquee home game is what
• 1:05:51
  Purdue? I mean, stay against just
• 1:05:53
  States, baby. Fatal pit.
• 1:06:02
  Yeah, I mean, come on like I just can't get excited for that.
• 1:06:04
  Sorry like I hope we win all the games man, but it's just like,
• 1:06:07
  this is not, this is not a schedule that gets my juices
• 1:06:10
  flowing. It definitely doesn't blow the
• 1:06:12
  skirt up. You know, when you look at it,
• 1:06:16
  there's no real, you know, we were kind of I think grasping
• 1:06:19
  for a marquee home game, right? We had to we were hoping that
• 1:06:23
  that we had to tie some other things into it for to really
• 1:06:27
  kind of build up a marquee home game.
• 1:06:32
  And when you look at it, you know, you got Purdue, it's a
• 1:06:35
  solid out of conference opponent, but it's not anything
• 1:06:38
  to like really get excited about and I feel like that's kind of
• 1:06:41
  what the schedule is. You know, other than maybe FSU,
• 1:06:45
  there's a lot of decent gains, but there's nothing that really
• 1:06:49
  you kind of circle on the schedule and say, I'm really
• 1:06:52
  looking forward to that. Yeah, I'm with going to see the
• 1:06:56
  sea do, maybe, maybe because we get Florida State.
• 1:06:59
  It's a c-plus schedule but it really We isn't in.
• 1:07:03
  And I think, for us, I think if it was Florida, I think if it
• 1:07:06
  was Florida State at home, You know, weight force on the road.
• 1:07:11
  It would probably get to the B category at least give you a
• 1:07:15
  b-minus. You got a murky home game.
• 1:07:18
  Well, just hold your horses because next year if y'all
• 1:07:21
  looked at next year yet I have but it's been so long, I
• 1:07:26
  couldn't tell you. Clemson is a home game in 2024
• 1:07:30
  away games at Duke and Carolina. It's also here.
• 1:07:34
  The out of conference opponent is Vanderbilt that's in
• 1:07:37
  Nashville. Which a lot of people have
• 1:07:40
  already started talking about Nashville, on Labor Day weekend,
• 1:07:46
  sign me up NFL stadium, I believe Jason, he knows all the
• 1:07:53
  good spots the next season, probably ranges that because you
• 1:08:00
  get both Clemson in Louisville at home.
• 1:08:03
  You know, you play off. We play three Carolina schools
• 1:08:05
  on the road. Wait, Duke and Carolina.
• 1:08:10
  So I think eventually we're going to see a good balance out
• 1:08:14
  where you're going to have some of those see pluses but you're
• 1:08:17
  going to be actually get some Aid - has to all right Brian it
• 1:08:20
  is 10:45 has anything broken. Since we started think Twitter,
• 1:08:27
  I haven't seen anything. I mean Lakers got to win.
• 1:08:29
  So no comment anything you say anything.
• 1:08:36
  Nope. All righty.
• 1:08:39
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