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Ba-Gawk! How Peacocks Work · Stuff You Should Know

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Speaker 1: Welcome to Stuff you Should Know, a production of iHeartRadio.
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Speaker 2: Hey, and welcome to the podcast. I'm Josh, and there's Chuck.
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Speaker 2: Jerry's here too, And I can't think of anything hilarious
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Speaker 2: to say, so I'm just going to say this is
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Speaker 2: stuff you should know.
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Speaker 1: That's right. A live show listener request edition because peacocks
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Speaker 1: came to us. Did you get her name? Or can
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Speaker 1: we just say the wonderful young girl at our Atlanta
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Speaker 1: live show?
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Speaker 2: I really want to say Sarah, but I'm not sure. So,
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Speaker 2: whoever you are, young girl who suggested peacocks at the
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Speaker 2: Atlanta show, right in to tell us your name so
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Speaker 2: we can tell everybody.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, so this is a great idea. We're talking about peacocks,
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Speaker 1: which is, if you want to look at the word itself,
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Speaker 1: it's English and it is derived from the Latin word pavo,
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Speaker 1: and in Old English that was pronounced pah wah pawa,
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Speaker 1: and that was shortened over the years to poe eventually pocock,
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Speaker 1: then palcock, and I guess peacock. And it's linked a
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Speaker 1: little bit to this old expression proud as a poe,
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Speaker 1: which is, you know how a peacock kind of struts
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Speaker 1: around all prideful, and then eventually it became peacock.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, and you would think it would have become peacock
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Speaker 2: like in the nineteen fifties or sixties, but no, it
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Speaker 2: became peacock as far back as the thirteen hundreds. Yeah,
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Speaker 2: so that's it for etymology of peacock. But there's a
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Speaker 2: little more about the word peacock, because a lot of
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Speaker 2: you are getting things wrong and you need to be corrected, Yeah, harshly.
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Speaker 2: Sometimes a peacock is specifically the male of the species. Obviously,
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Speaker 2: the p hen is the female. So if you see
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Speaker 2: a brown, kind of drab looking peacock, he's you look
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Speaker 2: at that brown peacock, Well, you just sound like a
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Speaker 2: hay seed. Yeah, it's a p hen and she's not drabbed,
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Speaker 2: she's camouflaged.
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Speaker 1: That's right. Their little babies cairlled pea chicks. And if
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Speaker 1: you want to talk as we're going to about the
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Speaker 1: the species as a whole, we're going to be saying
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Speaker 1: p fowl. And then we will you know, when we
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Speaker 1: say cock, we're going to mean male. When we say hn,
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Speaker 1: we're going to mean lady. And when we say chick
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Speaker 1: we're going to mean beebe Okay, I think.
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Speaker 2: We've really laid it out.
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Speaker 1: There are three main species, speaking of laying this out
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Speaker 1: of the pa fowl. Uh and you have the most
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Speaker 1: common that you if you live in the United States
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Speaker 1: and you've seen one, maybe in a zoo, maybe in
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Speaker 1: a park, or maybe startting around your neighborhood.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, we have some walking around our area too.
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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, is it? I mean the same ones from
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Speaker 1: many years ago, because you told the story years ago
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Speaker 1: about the sound of the peacock.
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Speaker 2: Sorry, no, those were those were Yumi's grandma's peacock. Neighborhood peacocks.
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Speaker 2: Oh okay, And for some reason, the ones that live
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Speaker 2: around me are not a disturbance at all. I mean
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Speaker 2: they make their sounds, but few and it's few and
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Speaker 2: far between. It's not annoying at all. It's kind of
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Speaker 2: cute and it's just a different experience than it was
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Speaker 2: around Jumi's grandma's house.
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Speaker 1: All right, fair enough. I mean I've talked before about
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Speaker 1: my neighborhood peacocks. I have not seen them in a
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Speaker 1: few years, so I don't know if they're still around.
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Speaker 1: And the house is on my morning dog walk, so
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Speaker 1: I haven't seen those peacocks around in a little while
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Speaker 1: those p fowl, So I'm not sure if they're around,
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Speaker 1: but we used to see them occasionally and it was
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Speaker 1: all great fun. But where I started ten minutes ago
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Speaker 1: saying is if you see one of those in the
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Speaker 1: United States, you're probably almost certainly looking at a blue
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Speaker 1: pfowl or an Indian p fowl.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, for sure. They are not native to the United States,
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Speaker 2: although they thrive and coastal wormish areas, kind of muggy areas,
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Speaker 2: you could say, too, although also arid areas anyway, California
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Speaker 2: and Florida. Let's just specify that they do really well there.
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Speaker 2: But they're native to India, Pakistan, and Sri Lanka.
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Speaker 1: Yes, exactly. They're the most common, little less common, but
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Speaker 1: still more common than The third group is the green
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Speaker 1: p fowl or the Javanese p fowl, so native to Java,
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Speaker 1: Southeast Asia and me and mar And then what's our
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Speaker 1: little third grouping.
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Speaker 2: The Congo p fowl. That's right, little it's like a
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Speaker 2: little mini turkey. He looks like they look like they're
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Speaker 2: native to the Congo basin in Africa, and the Indian
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Speaker 2: and Javanese p fowl prefer kind of open ish fields.
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Speaker 2: And maybe kind of tree lined streets. That's why they
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Speaker 2: love neighborhoods parks like it replicates their native of habitat.
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Speaker 2: The congo pea fowl prefer to live in the forest itself. Yeah,
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Speaker 2: that's right, So that's that's where they like to live.
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Speaker 1: No matter which kind of pea fowl you're talking about,
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Speaker 1: they're all going to be omnivores. They eat lots of
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Speaker 1: seeds and berries and you know, plant life and stuff
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Speaker 1: like that, as well as some insects. But they'll also
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Speaker 1: much down on a mouse or a little cute lizard
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Speaker 1: or a snake if they want to. If they're feeling peckish,
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Speaker 1: I guess.
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Speaker 2: Get a peckish. So they are among the largest flying
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Speaker 2: birds in the world. At Something a lot of people
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Speaker 2: don't realize about p fowl is that they can fly. Apparently,
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Speaker 2: the green pea fowl fowl, yeah I said that right, Yeah,
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Speaker 2: is a pretty strong flyer. The Indian or blue pea
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Speaker 2: fowl is not great. But they can make it to
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Speaker 2: the roof of a two story building. Yeah, pretty fast.
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Speaker 2: If a dog like Mamo barks at them, I can
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Speaker 2: tell you that.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I've seen that too.
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Speaker 2: So they can fly and they are very large too.
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Speaker 2: Blue pea fowl the most common one. They're the biggest
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Speaker 2: of the three. The adult male can measure fifty inches.
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Speaker 2: It's a little over four feet. God knows how many
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Speaker 2: meters we're talking about, let's say one point two. And
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Speaker 2: it's train, so that what you think of as the
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Speaker 2: tail feathers are actually not the tail. They actually protrude
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Speaker 2: out of the back of the pea fowl or the
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Speaker 2: peacock in this case. That can be five to seven
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Speaker 2: feet long. So they are a big, big bird, not
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Speaker 2: big bird size, but there's.
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Speaker 1: Still a big that's right. And as you'll see, that
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Speaker 1: big beautiful train is a big part of the mating ritual.
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Speaker 1: So when you see that thing fully displayed, when that
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Speaker 1: peacock wants to have a little good time with a
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Speaker 1: p hen, that thing may go five to seven feet
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Speaker 1: in every direction.
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Speaker 2: It's amazing, very very long.
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Speaker 1: Arch.
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Speaker 2: They also use it to defend their territory. I saw
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Speaker 2: a guy laying pavers once, and he was apparently laying
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Speaker 2: pavers on a peacock's territory because the peacock had his
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Speaker 2: train like fully fanned out. Oh really, it was like
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Speaker 2: shaking and staring at the guy like, I'm going to
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Speaker 2: kill you if you don't stop laying pavers right there.
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Speaker 2: Oh wow, the guy just completely ignored him. It was
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Speaker 2: pretty funny to see because that peacock was quite serious.
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Speaker 1: I bet so. The blue adult male peacock is about
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Speaker 1: a thirteen pounder if you don't count wild turkeys, which
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Speaker 1: are usually put into a different family, although they can
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Speaker 1: be in the pheasant family. They are the largest. The
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Speaker 1: peacock that is is the largest in the pheasant family.
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Speaker 2: You're not going to take a shot at the family
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Speaker 2: name for the turkeys. No, I wouldn't gun on it,
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Speaker 2: but you can, uh, Millia Gridi Day. Yeah, great, I
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Speaker 2: think I got it. I didn't even practice that one.
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Speaker 1: Good job.
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Speaker 2: But those turkeys, did you say they can weigh up
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Speaker 2: to thirty pounds?
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Speaker 1: I didn't say that about the turkeys, but yeah, they're big.
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Speaker 2: That's a big turkey. It's like the baby hweie types.
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Speaker 1: Yeah. I got that turkey family living in living at
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Speaker 1: my camp. There's six or eight of them now, they're
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Speaker 1: just they hang around together. I get them on the
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Speaker 1: camp camp. It's just lovely.
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Speaker 2: Well, are they used to your presence or because those
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Speaker 2: things run? They have really sharp eyesight, and they scatter quick.
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Speaker 1: No, no, I mean sadly. All the wonderful camp activity
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Speaker 1: is when I'm not there. Well, I have a feeling
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Speaker 1: that they peer through the woods and they're like other
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Speaker 1: guys are down there again?
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Speaker 2: Right to leave tomorrow, spending a weekend like standing up
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Speaker 2: against the tree and not moving seeing what happens.
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Speaker 1: No, I'll do that, though you should.
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Speaker 2: Buy yourself some nice camouflage clothing first, though it'll help
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Speaker 2: a lot.
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Speaker 1: I've already got that stuff.
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Speaker 2: Okay. So I also said that the blue pea hens
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Speaker 2: are sometimes considered drab, and I mean compared to the males.
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Speaker 2: They are not quite as easy on the eyes, right,
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Speaker 2: But they're brown in their drab because the female blue
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Speaker 2: pea hens are responsible for guarding their nests, and even
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Speaker 2: though they spend a lot of time roosting in trees,
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Speaker 2: very often they sleep over night in trees. They build
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Speaker 2: their nests on the ground and little depressions on the
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Speaker 2: ground lined with sticks, and so they have to defend
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Speaker 2: that nest at all times. The easiest way to defend
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Speaker 2: it is to not be seen, so they steer clear
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Speaker 2: of being seen by things like leopards and tigers and
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Speaker 2: mongoose and all that by blending in with the surrounding.
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Speaker 1: Terrain and momos.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, Momo doesn't actually want to predate the peacock. She
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Speaker 2: just wants it to know, like, this is Momo's yard. Yeah, peacock,
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Speaker 2: let them know who's boss, right, exactly, Momo's boss.
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Speaker 1: So the green pea fowl, you know, we're going to
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Speaker 1: talk about a little bit about all of them, even
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Speaker 1: though the blue are the most common, but the green,
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Speaker 1: if it's not mating season, you may not be able
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Speaker 1: to tell them apart. They both have that really nice
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Speaker 1: green neck, that sort of light green here and there,
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Speaker 1: And during mating season is when you're going to see
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Speaker 1: the male's train grow a lot longer. But then they
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Speaker 1: molten they shed those so more or less they look
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Speaker 1: about the same when it's not mating season.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, and they're both very, very beautiful. They have amazingly
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Speaker 2: beautiful feathers as well. The little congo pea fowl, they're
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Speaker 2: kind of cute, dark blue neck feathers and dark green
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Speaker 2: and black train. Females are also brown, but they they're
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Speaker 2: just not Nothing can beat a blue peacock, Yeah, they
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Speaker 2: just can't. I'm sorry. That's a hill I'll die on
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Speaker 2: if I have to.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's fantastic. And if you have one in your
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Speaker 1: neighborhood and as a pet in captivity, if one of
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Speaker 1: your neighbors does, you may just get used to that
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Speaker 1: sound and get used to seeing them because they could
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Speaker 1: live forty to fifty years when kept his pets. Not
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Speaker 1: suggesting that they be kept his pets. I'm just saying
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Speaker 1: that people do that. They live about ten to twenty
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Speaker 1: five years in the wild.
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Speaker 2: Yeah. They can also kind of haul pretty. They can
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Speaker 2: run up to ten miles an hour when they need to.
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Speaker 1: Okay, you got to get a good running start if
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Speaker 1: you want to get off the ground.
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Speaker 2: I guess with their little like aviator goggles.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, totally.
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Speaker 2: Uh you want to take a break, Yeah all right,
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Speaker 2: well we're going.
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Speaker 1: To do that.
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Speaker 2: Everybody watch this.
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Speaker 1: Stop.
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Speaker 2: So I think it's high time that we talk about
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Speaker 2: what everybody thinks of when they think of peacocks, which
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Speaker 2: is that amazing train of feathers spread out in a
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Speaker 2: fan behind him, and it's correct to see him and
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Speaker 2: this is all part of the mating ritual, right, that's
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Speaker 2: the whole point of the those feathers. Again, the peacocks
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Speaker 2: will use it to try to or off or intimidate
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Speaker 2: trespassers in their territory, but for the most part, the
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Speaker 2: whole thing is to impress the pea hens.
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Speaker 1: That's right. And when a male wants to impress a
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Speaker 1: p hen, that peacock will prop up those feathers into
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Speaker 1: a big, beautiful fan. Dave likens it. Dave helped us
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Speaker 1: with this to like an inverted umbrella, So it's sort
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Speaker 1: of you know, when you see this sort of pointed
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Speaker 1: back from their butthole area towards and they will shake
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Speaker 1: those feathers, and the shaking isn't just like, hey, look
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Speaker 1: how pretty and iridescent this gorgeous train is. Science has
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Speaker 1: discovered semi recently that those vibrations are in lockstep with
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Speaker 1: the p fowl's head feathers that they used to think
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Speaker 1: were just for show, but now they realize they are.
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Speaker 1: They vibrate at the same intensity, and that they can actually,
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Speaker 1: you know, sort of feel when those tail feathers are
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Speaker 1: vibrating in their direction through their head feathers.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, they're like receivers.
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Speaker 1: Isn't that neat super cool?
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Speaker 2: They resonate at at the same rate the male peacock
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Speaker 2: when he shakes those those feathers that fan, he can
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Speaker 2: shake it at more than twenty five times a second,
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Speaker 2: and that resonance I think it's like twenty five point
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Speaker 2: six hurts to be exact. That just happens to be
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Speaker 2: tuned in almost precisely to the cress feathers on the
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Speaker 2: pea fowl's head. And in addition to the site, apparently
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Speaker 2: p hens have amazing sight, so they're seeing everything that
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Speaker 2: the peacock's showing them, but also they're they're feeling it
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Speaker 2: like they're there. That's transmitting that vibration or resonance is
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Speaker 2: transmitting to their head. So it's quite a like you're
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Speaker 2: not going to turn down a peacock if you're a
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Speaker 2: p hen. They're pretty amazing dudes.
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Speaker 1: That's right. And before we get emails, I'm sure Josh
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Speaker 1: will admit that when you said it just happens to
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Speaker 1: vibrate the same frequency, that is no accident at all.
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Speaker 1: It's called natural selection. Baby.
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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, sure, you're.
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Speaker 1: Cheeky, But I'm sure somebody would write in and say, no, Josh,
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Speaker 1: it didn't just happen to vibrate that way. It's by design.
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Speaker 2: Intelligent design people.
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Speaker 1: You mean no, no creationists, no by design as natural selection.
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Speaker 2: It's very teleological.
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Speaker 1: I don't even know what that means. What's that mean?
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Speaker 2: It means that that everything has a purpose. So it
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Speaker 2: was like design to be a certain way.
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Speaker 1: I love that. See, people, when you don't know a word,
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Speaker 1: it's okay to say I don't know what that means.
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Speaker 2: It sure is, Chuck, that's a great example. This set.
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Speaker 1: So and you didn't talk down to me. You told
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Speaker 1: me the definition. Now I'm a little bit smarter because
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Speaker 1: of you.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I wasn't like a dummy. Listen up.
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Speaker 1: Teleological, all right, So we need to cover this part
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Speaker 1: of the mating ritual because the fact of the matter
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Speaker 1: is the peacock loves to get around the block, if
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Speaker 1: you know what I mean. They have a social structure
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Speaker 1: called a lech l e k, which is basically a harem,
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Speaker 1: and the male is gonna mate with several females. But
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Speaker 1: here's the part that's a little maybe not intuitive. Even
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Speaker 1: though the male is mating with many females, the male
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Speaker 1: isn't running the show as far as who he gets
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Speaker 1: to do that with.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, so he's putting on this huge show not to
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Speaker 2: be like, I'm hypnotizing you, baby, do my bidding. He's
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Speaker 2: doing it because he's like, check me out, don't you
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Speaker 2: like me? Like look at this isn't aren't I amazing?
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Speaker 2: And the female can either be like I've seen better
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Speaker 2: or she could be like, yeah, you're right up my alley.
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Speaker 2: You just happen to be vibrating at my residence, right.
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Speaker 1: That's telelogical.
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Speaker 2: So yeah. So one of the ways that a male
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Speaker 2: will make himself seem even more virile than he is,
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Speaker 2: there's something called the hoot dash noise, and just the
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Speaker 2: hoot is the noise part. It's called a hoot dash
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Speaker 2: because right after the male hoots, he dashes toward the
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Speaker 2: female and they start mating. Right, it's actually quite disturbing
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Speaker 2: to see a lot of mating in the animal world
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Speaker 2: is really disturbing.
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Speaker 1: This saw video too, It's like the dash was very
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Speaker 1: close to the hoot.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, but that's what the noise is called. So the
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Speaker 2: males realize that like the more hoot dashing or hoot
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Speaker 2: sounds that they make the more females in earshot but
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Speaker 2: not in eyeshot. I guess well here, oh wow, Like
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Speaker 2: Terry really gets it on with a lot of p hens.
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Speaker 2: I'm going to give him a shot next time he
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Speaker 2: comes around, because he must be very virile. Like a
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Speaker 2: third of those hoot dash sounds are faked essentially, that's right.
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Speaker 1: So when that finally happens, the female p hen will
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Speaker 1: scratch out a little depression in the ground basically and
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Speaker 1: line it with sticks, and that's their little They're going
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Speaker 1: to layford to eggs that are gonna hatch after four weeks,
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Speaker 1: and those little pea chicks are up and around pretty
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Speaker 1: much right out of the gate. It'll take them a
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Speaker 1: couple of weeks to fly. And those boys that are
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Speaker 1: peacocks aren't gonna get those train feathers until their second year.
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Speaker 1: They're like, why don't you just chill for a couple
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Speaker 1: of years and not think about that thing?
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Speaker 2: Yeah, they are so cute too. Do not rely on
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Speaker 2: the internet for what a baby peacock looks like? Apparently
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Speaker 2: it's been a great example to demonstrate how much AI
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Speaker 2: is just screwing the internet.
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Speaker 1: Oh really, yeah?
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Speaker 2: Yeah. If you go on Google image search for baby peacocks,
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Speaker 2: like people think that there's pictures of like a giant
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Speaker 2: or like a miniatureized cute, big eyed peacock, and that
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Speaker 2: that's a baby peacock. They all look like p hens,
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Speaker 2: like little brown p hens. But even if they're peacocks,
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Speaker 2: that's how they start out. So just check it out.
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Speaker 2: Just search the baby peacock for images, and it's a lie.
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Speaker 2: It's a lie for sure.
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Speaker 1: That's the cutest little iridescent blue baby duckling thing I've
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Speaker 1: ever seen.
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Speaker 2: Right, but it doesn't exist. That's not real. Hey, don't
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Speaker 2: blame me, blame the AI running the internet.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, those eyes are suspiciously large and disney like.
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Speaker 2: So. One other thing about the pea chicks is that
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Speaker 2: they stay with their mom for two to six months,
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Speaker 2: depending on whether they're in captivity in the wild. Moms
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Speaker 2: are much more maternal instinct wise in the wild than
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Speaker 2: they are in captivity, so you know, depends on the
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Speaker 2: situation how long they hang around them. But just watching,
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Speaker 2: have you ever seen a p hen with their little
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Speaker 2: pea chicks following her?
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Speaker 1: Uh no, I've just seen the turkey version at the camp.
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Speaker 2: It's very cute. Oh my god, I'll bet baby turkeys
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Speaker 2: are pretty cute too.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, the following around is just very cute because like
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Speaker 1: mom's up front and there's like six little guys and
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Speaker 1: girls just following it along like I can keep up,
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Speaker 1: I can keep up.
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Speaker 2: And there's always one straggler that has to like run
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Speaker 2: faster when the group.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, Barney, love that guy who Barney.
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Speaker 2: That's a perfect name.
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Speaker 1: So the dads, as far as blue and green peacocks go,
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Speaker 1: are not around. There are complete absentee dads. But hey,
19:23
Speaker 1: if you're feeling bad for the family unit, just go
19:26
Speaker 1: to the congo because those congo p fowl are monogamous.
19:29
Speaker 1: They don't have those leks. They like one lady and
19:32
Speaker 1: they hang around and feed and raise pea chicks with mommy.
19:36
Speaker 2: Yeah pretty great.
19:37
Speaker 1: Huh, yeah, it's great.
19:40
Speaker 2: So I think we should talk a little bit about
19:42
Speaker 2: natural selection, sexual selection Charles Darwin, kind of what you
19:46
Speaker 2: were alluding to earlier.
19:47
Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, because Charles Darwin was bringing a little too
19:52
Speaker 1: much of his human baggage to some of this research.
19:54
Speaker 1: It seems pretty clear, don't.
19:56
Speaker 2: You think, Uh huh for sure?
19:58
Speaker 1: And how was he doing that?
20:01
Speaker 2: So Darwin grew up or lived in the Victorian era
20:05
Speaker 2: where women were viewed as passive, submissive. They were just
20:10
Speaker 2: there and had their fingers crossed that a man of
20:14
Speaker 2: adequate dashingness would come along and marry them, right, So
20:18
Speaker 2: that meant that it was the men, the males of
20:20
Speaker 2: the Victorian era human species in England at least, that
20:25
Speaker 2: were responsible for sexual selection. They chose the winners and
20:28
Speaker 2: the losers among women. Well, Darwin was looking around the
20:33
Speaker 2: world of nature basically all the other animals, and was like,
20:36
Speaker 2: that's not really what I'm seeing out there. And in
20:39
Speaker 2: the peacocks in particular, the females are again drab, really camouflaged,
20:46
Speaker 2: while the males have these amazing beautiful displays. That strongly
20:50
Speaker 2: suggests that the males are performing for the females and
20:53
Speaker 2: it's the females who are doing the sexual selecting. Yeah,
20:57
Speaker 2: and he had such a hard time wrestling with this.
20:59
Speaker 2: There's a quote from him that said the sight of
21:01
Speaker 2: a pea feather made him sick, right because he could
21:04
Speaker 2: not give in. And he finally was you know, science
21:09
Speaker 2: got the better of him. And he's like, that's just
21:11
Speaker 2: how it is. I don't like it. But females in
21:13
Speaker 2: the animal kingdom are typically the ones who select sexually
21:17
Speaker 2: and end up are the They're the drivers of natural selection.
21:20
Speaker 2: They choose what passes on to the next generation based
21:24
Speaker 2: on the kind of male mates that they choose.
21:27
Speaker 1: That's right, And that choosing is based on that flashy
21:30
Speaker 1: display that we're going to talk a little bit more
21:32
Speaker 1: about as far as the colors and stuff go, and
21:35
Speaker 1: that vibration. But if they're science behind that, or is
21:39
Speaker 1: there science behind that? Yes, In nineteen ninety four it
21:42
Speaker 1: seems like it, at least there were some researchers in
21:45
Speaker 1: Britain that found that the bigger peacocks that had more
21:50
Speaker 1: eye spots, you know, they look like eyes. What are
21:52
Speaker 1: they called.
21:53
Speaker 2: Asily ocelli In the Italian it'd be celli because ce
21:59
Speaker 2: followed by a vowel is a just sound. So let's
22:02
Speaker 2: just go with Italian, say, oh chelly.
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Speaker 1: Okay. But the more of those they have, and the
22:06
Speaker 1: larger that they are, and the more just big and
22:09
Speaker 1: beautiful they are, it looks like the larger offspring they're
22:14
Speaker 1: going to have that are going to be more likely
22:16
Speaker 1: to survive. So it seems like they are more genetically fit.
22:19
Speaker 2: Yeah, and those eye spots play a real starring role
22:22
Speaker 2: in this whole sexual selection mating process. Right. So the
22:26
Speaker 2: feathers in and of themselves are pretty amazing, but the
22:29
Speaker 2: eye spots, these little dots with different colors on them
22:32
Speaker 2: that are across like a like, scattered all across the
22:36
Speaker 2: train feathers the fan. They are of a slightly different
22:40
Speaker 2: structure slightly different density than the rest of the feathers
22:43
Speaker 2: surrounding them. So when that train resonates at twenty five
22:47
Speaker 2: point six hurts, they appear to stand still and float
22:53
Speaker 2: against the background of the other feathers that are vibrating
22:57
Speaker 2: at the same frequency, but are just of a slightly
22:59
Speaker 2: different density. And this is so important. These o'celly. The
23:03
Speaker 2: eye spots are so important. The scientists have figured out
23:06
Speaker 2: that other species that also have eye spots aren't. They
23:11
Speaker 2: don't share a common ancestor with peacocks that had eye spots. Chuck.
23:19
Speaker 2: Eye spots evolved separately over different times among different species.
23:24
Speaker 2: They're that important for mating.
23:26
Speaker 1: That's right, And thanks to our listener Mail in the
23:30
Speaker 1: Ruby Ridge episode, it's called conversion evolution and not co evolution.
23:36
Speaker 2: Very nice. I say we take a break then, since
23:38
Speaker 2: we're done talking about eye spots, right.
23:40
Speaker 1: Yeah, we'll finish up with that three right after this.
23:43
Speaker 2: Oh wait, wait, there was one more thing about eye spots.
23:45
Speaker 1: Wait stop, the presses Jerry roll tape.
23:50
Speaker 2: Researchers have figured out for sure the eye spots play
23:53
Speaker 2: a big role, because some poor schmoe of a peacock
23:56
Speaker 2: had his eye spots covered up and they said, go
23:59
Speaker 2: out to ladies night and see what happens, and he
24:01
Speaker 2: got nothing from nobody. Ever will his eye spots were
24:06
Speaker 2: covered up.
24:07
Speaker 1: Yeah, the copulation The quote is their copulation success declined
24:11
Speaker 1: to almost zero.
24:14
Speaker 2: Almost. They were just being nice.
24:16
Speaker 1: They were all right, now are we breaking Yes.
24:19
Speaker 2: I don't have any other breaking news.
24:22
Speaker 1: All right, everybody tick five, then we're back stop. All right,
24:50
Speaker 1: we are back to finish up with peacocks, and we're
24:52
Speaker 1: going to talk a little bit about something we did
24:54
Speaker 1: an entire episode on, and that is iridescent h This
24:59
Speaker 1: was a this was many years ago that we didn't
25:02
Speaker 1: up on iridescence. And there's if you want to really
25:05
Speaker 1: deep dive on the science of it, you can go
25:07
Speaker 1: listen to that ep. But what we're looking at in
25:11
Speaker 1: the case of peacock feathers and why they look aridescent
25:14
Speaker 1: and are just so shiny and majestic looking is because
25:19
Speaker 1: of the shape. It's a physical shape of something and
25:23
Speaker 1: not necessarily a color of something, right.
25:26
Speaker 2: Yeah, the pigments that are in the peacock's tail feathers
25:31
Speaker 2: are melanin, and melanin typically looks brown to us. It's
25:35
Speaker 2: what gives human skin kind of brown cast to it.
25:40
Speaker 2: That is melanin pigment. And it's no different than a
25:43
Speaker 2: peacock's feathers, but the structure is totally different. Like you said,
25:47
Speaker 2: there's a crystalline structure of overlaying barbs that if you
25:51
Speaker 2: look on an electron microscope you can see quite clearly.
25:55
Speaker 2: And those barbs, those crystal barbs of melanin, there's like
25:59
Speaker 2: little gaps between them, and in fact, it creates what's
26:02
Speaker 2: called a partial band gap, which means that electromagnetic waves
26:07
Speaker 2: do not penetrate some area depending on where that light
26:11
Speaker 2: is hitting. To put simply chuck. Depending on which angle,
26:16
Speaker 2: which direction, light hits these melanin rods, the crystalline melanin rods,
26:23
Speaker 2: it's going to reflect or absorb all different kinds of light.
26:27
Speaker 2: And so the same structure can reflect or absorb different
26:31
Speaker 2: kinds of light depending on where the light hits it,
26:34
Speaker 2: which means if you're looking at it one way and
26:36
Speaker 2: you move slightly left, you're looking at a different part
26:39
Speaker 2: of that structure, and it's reflecting different colored light, and
26:42
Speaker 2: that's how iridescence comes along.
26:44
Speaker 1: That's right, partial band gap, not to be confused with
26:47
Speaker 1: the partial gap band, which is the sad tour. When
26:50
Speaker 1: two out of three of those guys went out on
26:53
Speaker 1: the road.
26:55
Speaker 2: It wasn't a very good tour, was it.
26:56
Speaker 1: It wasn't a very good joke. What I couldn't help
26:59
Speaker 1: my Yeah, I mean that's eridesnence in a nutshell. That's
27:02
Speaker 1: basically how it works in across nature. It's just about
27:08
Speaker 1: you know, the structure of the thing, and like, you know,
27:12
Speaker 1: what do we talk about? You talked about fish and
27:15
Speaker 1: butterfly wings mainly. I think on that episode.
27:20
Speaker 2: It's so neat And yeah, it's just the structure. If
27:22
Speaker 2: you take a bunch of crystals and pile them on
27:24
Speaker 2: top of each other and little weird repeating patterns, they're
27:27
Speaker 2: going to become iridescent. It's gorgeous. Apparently Isaac Newton figured
27:31
Speaker 2: it out all the way back in seventeen oh four. Yeah,
27:34
Speaker 2: based on aggressive Yeah, based on peacock feathers. He said,
27:38
Speaker 2: check these out, man, I know what's going on. You'll
27:42
Speaker 2: just have to find out that's right.
27:44
Speaker 1: We do need to talk about their yelp because it's
27:48
Speaker 1: a you know, I mean, you used to do a
27:51
Speaker 1: pretty good impression. You want to try it?
27:54
Speaker 2: Help?
27:55
Speaker 1: Hell, it always sounds like help.
27:58
Speaker 2: That's what it sounds like to me. It's uncanny and unnerving.
28:01
Speaker 1: Yeah, it is. And I always laughed at that years
28:04
Speaker 1: ago until like we got our own neighborhood peacocks, and
28:06
Speaker 1: then I would hear it occasionally and I was like, yeah,
28:09
Speaker 1: Josh's right, or is Josh in that backyard right now?
28:13
Speaker 1: Like it's one of those two things is happening. Yeah,
28:16
Speaker 1: it's pretty shrill. It can get annoying if you live
28:19
Speaker 1: near one. I don't mind it so much because I
28:21
Speaker 1: didn't live a next door to one, but it's usually
28:24
Speaker 1: in the morning and evening during mating season. It can
28:27
Speaker 1: pick up a bit. So I don't know if there
28:28
Speaker 1: were complaints or if these local peacocks just you know,
28:32
Speaker 1: met their natural end. You know. I don't know if
28:37
Speaker 1: they were taken out, or if they were moved to
28:39
Speaker 1: a farm, you know what I'm saying, yeah, or if
28:42
Speaker 1: they just had little peace strokes that's bad.
28:46
Speaker 2: They were elf struck. So they also they honked too, Like,
28:53
Speaker 2: I can't even do the honk and the goose that's
28:57
Speaker 2: that hoot dash thing sounds kind of like, oh yeah
28:59
Speaker 2: it does.
29:00
Speaker 1: I'm a little hankish.
29:01
Speaker 2: Yeah, so they can do that a lot too, And
29:05
Speaker 2: if you put it all together, yeah, it can be
29:06
Speaker 2: very annoying. But I chuck, I cannot figure out what
29:10
Speaker 2: the difference is between Umi's grandma's neighborhood my neighborhood, because
29:14
Speaker 2: I have a completely different opinion of the annoyance level
29:19
Speaker 2: of peacocks. Now I don't understand why, but there's the facts.
29:24
Speaker 1: Well, maybe you aged into it, I guess.
29:27
Speaker 2: So I'm older wives or gentler. Yeah, we're peacock loving.
29:33
Speaker 1: Sure, I think we all get that way. Sure, all right,
29:37
Speaker 1: So let's talk about the history of these things. Jumping
29:40
Speaker 1: back a little bit a few thousand years ago. The
29:43
Speaker 1: ancient Phoenicians were the first folks to say, hey, these
29:47
Speaker 1: things are great, Let's move them around to different places,
29:49
Speaker 1: because these things strutting around a palace is really something
29:52
Speaker 1: to see. So they brought them from India to Syria.
29:56
Speaker 1: They were traded around the Mediterranean at that point, and
30:00
Speaker 1: they did become like a status symbol if you were
30:03
Speaker 1: nobility or royalty, or had a lot of money or
30:05
Speaker 1: lived in a palace, then you probably wanted to some
30:07
Speaker 1: peacock strolling around your property.
30:09
Speaker 2: Yeah, you might also want to eat them. Bow, I
30:13
Speaker 2: forgot to send you this thing that I found. The
30:15
Speaker 2: Romans ate them, but they specifically liked their tongues. Peacock
30:20
Speaker 2: tongue was a delicacy in ancient Roman times in the
30:24
Speaker 2: Middle Ages.
30:25
Speaker 1: Wait, where are you going to send me?
30:27
Speaker 2: This is what I'm about to tell you.
30:28
Speaker 1: Oh okay, I thought You're gonna send me a peacock
30:30
Speaker 1: tongu in the male Flashow.
30:34
Speaker 2: Why is this so? In the Middle Ages in Europe,
30:40
Speaker 2: they would actually eat peacock like the whole thing, but
30:44
Speaker 2: they figured out a way to remove the skin so
30:47
Speaker 2: that the feathers all came off too. Then they would
30:49
Speaker 2: roast the bird, and then they would redress it with
30:52
Speaker 2: its feathers to be served at to the lord of
30:56
Speaker 2: the manor by the most beautiful girl at the party.
31:00
Speaker 2: I guess, yeah, And then it would just sit there
31:02
Speaker 2: for a little while. They would carve into it, eat
31:05
Speaker 2: it and have a lot of trouble digesting it because
31:07
Speaker 2: apparently it's really tough. So much so that doctors of
31:10
Speaker 2: the time were like, don't eat peacock. It's really just
31:12
Speaker 2: not good for you.
31:13
Speaker 1: So they would just stick the feathers back in it
31:15
Speaker 1: in an ornamental way.
31:18
Speaker 2: The picture I saw, the painting I saw made it
31:21
Speaker 2: look like they did a pretty good job of it. Yeah, yeah,
31:24
Speaker 2: making it look like it was alive again.
31:27
Speaker 1: Yeah. Interesting. I think even a lot of meat eaters
31:32
Speaker 1: appreciate the animal not looking like its original form when
31:36
Speaker 1: it's on the plate.
31:37
Speaker 2: Sure right, you don't really want to recognize it?
31:41
Speaker 1: Yeah? Like it? You know, I love a brainzeno, but
31:44
Speaker 1: I don't like that fish head looking up at me.
31:46
Speaker 2: Oh no, no, you don't like roly poly fish heads?
31:50
Speaker 1: Uh no, I don't want to see it. But I'll
31:53
Speaker 1: still dine on a braanzeno. I got a friend whose
31:54
Speaker 1: brother will take that eyeball out and eat it right
31:56
Speaker 1: at the table in front of everybody.
32:00
Speaker 2: Wrong with that guy.
32:01
Speaker 1: I mean, supposedly that's the thing to do, you know,
32:03
Speaker 1: use all the animal. But I just I don't want
32:05
Speaker 1: to eat an eyeball.
32:07
Speaker 2: No to ever tell you. By the time we went
32:08
Speaker 2: to H and F and like we we just went
32:11
Speaker 2: too far. No, so for everybody who doesn't know. H
32:15
Speaker 2: and F is a restaurant in Atlanta, and they're well
32:19
Speaker 2: known for like using all parts of the animal. Yeah,
32:22
Speaker 2: and we went and we were like, if you go
32:25
Speaker 2: further down the menu like gets more and more hardcore.
32:28
Speaker 2: We just kind of tried it one time and we
32:31
Speaker 2: got as far as fried chicken heads or beaks, which
32:35
Speaker 2: had a lot of the head attached still in goodness,
32:38
Speaker 2: like the whole table just kind of it just took
32:40
Speaker 2: a dark turn and everybody stopped talking and it was
32:43
Speaker 2: a bad jam. So I don't recommend the fried chicken
32:47
Speaker 2: beaks at Homan and Finch anymore.
32:49
Speaker 1: That sounds too much like a mcnoggan. You remember that, No,
32:53
Speaker 1: I think I sent it to you years ago. It
32:55
Speaker 1: was supposedly in the thing a chicken nuggets, but it
32:59
Speaker 1: was a a deep fried little chicken head that got
33:02
Speaker 1: through and they called it the mcnoggan.
33:06
Speaker 2: That is what HNF sells as a as a dish.
33:09
Speaker 1: All right. It's been very instructive, for sure.
33:13
Speaker 2: I know, our poor, our poor live show fan Sarah
33:17
Speaker 2: is like, I know, sorry, I.
33:18
Speaker 1: Asked for it, Yeah, I said, butthole earlier too. This
33:21
Speaker 1: is going downhill, all right, so back to history in
33:26
Speaker 1: peacocks Lord Krishna in the Hindu tradition, where's peacock feathers
33:31
Speaker 1: is a head dress, and there have been many other
33:34
Speaker 1: examples over the years in Greek mythology and Roman mythology
33:38
Speaker 1: about the peacock. I believe Harrah even had peacocks pulling
33:42
Speaker 1: her chariot.
33:43
Speaker 2: At ten miles an hour.
33:45
Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly.
33:47
Speaker 2: She she was protected by a giant named Argus who
33:50
Speaker 2: had one hundred eyes, and he was killed by Hermes,
33:54
Speaker 2: and so she brought him back as the peacock. That's
33:57
Speaker 2: a great story. Yeah, there's also the cock throne, right.
34:02
Speaker 1: Yeah, the peacock throne is one of the most expensive
34:05
Speaker 1: things that's ever been made. If it drives at home,
34:10
Speaker 1: I think it was about twice the cost of the
34:13
Speaker 1: taj Maha to build this one throne, which had oh,
34:18
Speaker 1: twenty five hundred pounds of gold, five hundred pounds, not
34:22
Speaker 1: five hundred precious stones, five hundred pounds of precious stones.
34:27
Speaker 2: Including the Corey Newer diamond, which is one hundred and
34:30
Speaker 2: five carrot diamond. Pretty amazing stuff. They managed. The Mughal
34:35
Speaker 2: Empire in India managed to hang on to the throne
34:38
Speaker 2: for about one hundred years until they were invaded by
34:41
Speaker 2: the Persians, I believe, who were like, we're taking this throne.
34:45
Speaker 2: This is essentially the reason we invaded was to get
34:48
Speaker 2: this throne, and they disassembled it and basically sold it
34:52
Speaker 2: off for parts. Right. Yeah, but if you go onto
34:55
Speaker 2: the Internet and you search peacock throne, you will see
34:58
Speaker 2: photographs of a peacock throne that looks pretty amazing, and
35:02
Speaker 2: you will say, well, how could this have been destroyed
35:04
Speaker 2: back in the seventeenth or eighteenth century? And the reason
35:08
Speaker 2: why is because what you're looking at is the replica
35:11
Speaker 2: that King Ludwig the Second of Bavaria, our friend, the
35:16
Speaker 2: fairy tale King, had constructed for his castle. Nushwe look
35:23
Speaker 2: at that, Nushefinstein. Yeah, which one?
35:27
Speaker 1: I don't know. I'm just amazed that you brought that around.
35:29
Speaker 1: Nice work, thanks, any Uschefinstein sounds great.
35:33
Speaker 2: Nuschwinstein. Yeah, any chance I have to bring King Ludwig
35:37
Speaker 2: the Second into the story, I'm going to take it.
35:39
Speaker 1: Well, you had that shirt made.
35:40
Speaker 2: That helps ask me about King Ludvig the Second.
35:46
Speaker 1: Endangered? Yes or no? Indian bluefowl are not endangered. In fact,
35:51
Speaker 1: they're doing really, really well, and you mentioned you know,
35:53
Speaker 1: in places in Florida and even southern California, they can
35:57
Speaker 1: get a little out of hand with their men. They
36:00
Speaker 1: can tear up foliage, and they can poop all over
36:04
Speaker 1: the place, and they can destroy habitats that other birds have.
36:07
Speaker 1: So people sometimes now even are trapping them and giving
36:13
Speaker 1: them vasectomies.
36:15
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's a town called pine Crest, a suburb of Miami,
36:18
Speaker 2: which is giving peacock's vasectomy. So if you couldn't have guessed,
36:21
Speaker 2: pine Crest is a rather well healed suburb of Miami
36:25
Speaker 2: because a lot of towns can't afford to give peacocks vasectivey.
36:30
Speaker 1: That green pea fowl, they are under threat though they're
36:33
Speaker 1: listed is endangered because they are from Southeast Asia and
36:36
Speaker 1: a lot of their natural habitat has been done away
36:38
Speaker 1: with thanks to land development and agricultural mowing down of
36:43
Speaker 1: their environment and also farmers who will poison them if
36:48
Speaker 1: they come into their fields.
36:50
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's only I think ten twenty thousand left of
36:53
Speaker 2: them in the wild. Hopefully someone steps up, because losing
36:57
Speaker 2: any animal to extinction sucks, but losing particularly beautiful ones
37:03
Speaker 2: that their very presence makes the world a better place
37:05
Speaker 2: to live in those are You don't want to lose those.
37:09
Speaker 1: That's right. And as for the congo p fowl, we
37:11
Speaker 1: don't want to forget about those spellas they are vulnerable,
37:16
Speaker 1: also habitat loss and hunting, and they're about ten thousand
37:19
Speaker 1: of those in the wild.
37:21
Speaker 2: Man alive.
37:22
Speaker 1: I know.
37:24
Speaker 2: Let's see. I'm trying to think if there's anything else.
37:27
Speaker 2: I don't really think we have anything else, do we?
37:29
Speaker 1: I got nothing else?
37:31
Speaker 2: Oh? A group of pea fowl? You know? Yeah? What
37:33
Speaker 2: is it? Collective nouns? Isn't that what they're called?
37:36
Speaker 1: Uh? Yeah, that was another name form something of something.
37:43
Speaker 2: Yes, I remember what you talking about. I don't remember
37:44
Speaker 2: what it was too, but yeah, in this case, peacocks,
37:48
Speaker 2: A group of peacocks are called a pride, an ostentation,
37:53
Speaker 2: or a party, a peacock party. I like that. I
37:57
Speaker 2: do too, I like all three of them. Well, since
38:00
Speaker 2: Chuck and I agreed that we like the collective nouns
38:03
Speaker 2: for peacocks, then obviously we have just unlocked listener mail.
38:09
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Speaker 1: by twelve inches or seventy two inches by sixteen inches,
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Speaker 1: and you can only use two fonts. They must be
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Speaker 1: white with a single color background. And this is literally
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Speaker 1: just to say, like my pressure washing business is down
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Speaker 1: there or whatever. They say that people may consider billboards
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Speaker 1: to be detrimental to the preservation of scenic resources. And
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Speaker 1: that is a great law. And that's one reason we
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Speaker 1: love Maine. And that is from who is that from?
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Speaker 1: That's from Katrina Peterson.
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Speaker 2: Thanks Katrina. That is a very sensible, awesome law. I
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Speaker 2: love that. It's one of the worst things to see
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Speaker 2: when you're driving down the highways, to billboards. It is terrible.
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Speaker 2: Great thanks for letting us know that. Hopefully as Main goes,
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Speaker 2: the rest of the world follows. And if you want
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Speaker 2: to be like Katrina and get in touch with this
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Speaker 2: and let us know of a very sensible local law.
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