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87 Haunted Location? Glowing Eyes At THE LBL Massacre Site · The Eye of Jupiter Podcast

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  Speaker 1: Welcome back to the I Jupiter Podcast.
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  Speaker 2: This is episode eighty seven with Robbie Rains from the
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  Speaker 2: Nightmare Hunter podcast. Robbie came on to tell me about
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  Speaker 2: a dog man encounter that he that he had in
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  Speaker 2: the LBL, the infamous land between the Lakes where a
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  Speaker 2: lot of strange things goes on. Anybody who knows anything
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  Speaker 2: about the cryptids and the ghost and all that craziness
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  Speaker 2: knows that the LBL is well known for that type
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  Speaker 2: of activity.
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  Speaker 1: And he goes into the story where he was.
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  Speaker 2: Out there investigating and come to find out that this
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  Speaker 2: place where he's seen what he saw was really really
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  Speaker 2: close within two hundred yards of the supposed I had
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  Speaker 2: to say, supposed LBL massacre site from nineteen eighty two.
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  Speaker 2: I think you guys really want to enjoy this one.
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  Speaker 2: This episode is a really fun one, a really cool guy.
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  Speaker 2: He's a police officer from South Carolina. So please enjoy
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  Speaker 2: this one from Robbie Rains from the Nightmare Hunter podcast.
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  Speaker 1: Hello there, Hey, how you're doing. I'm doing good man,
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  Speaker 1: It's good to see where you Where are you?
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  Speaker 2: Where are you coming to me from today? Where are
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  Speaker 2: you located?
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  Speaker 1: From the great state of South Carolina.
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  Speaker 2: So you're the second one in a row from South Carolina.
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  Speaker 2: That's that's incredible. So I'm I'm I'm talking to you
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  Speaker 2: from the Yucatam Peninsula of Mexico. One of the one
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  Speaker 2: of the few you know, paranormal slash, cryptid slash, you know,
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  Speaker 2: anything under the sun that's not covered in the you know,
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  Speaker 2: regular news podcast in Mexico. So I'm so happy that
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  Speaker 2: you came on today, my friend.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, thanks for having me. I appreciate it, So.
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  Speaker 2: Do me a favorite, Boddy, tell me a little bit
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  Speaker 2: about yourself where we can find you, and uh yeah
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  Speaker 2: and things like that.
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  Speaker 1: Man, all right, So, like as you said, my name
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  Speaker 1: is Robbie Rains.
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  Speaker 4: I've been a police officer for about twenty nine years,
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  Speaker 4: give or take. I'm co host of the Nightmare Hunter
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  Speaker 4: podcast with Da Roberts, k Pocka, Doc Davis, and Stephen Rhodis.
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  Speaker 4: Most people might remember us as Da x Makina, but
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  Speaker 4: we went through a little rebranding. When Da first started
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  Speaker 4: the show, you know, obviously before me and Doc Steve
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  Speaker 4: came around when you first had the idea, So it
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  Speaker 4: was more about promoting his books and some things like that.
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  Speaker 4: But as the show grew and progressed, it became more
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  Speaker 4: about all of us.
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  Speaker 1: H So, so we went to a.
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  Speaker 4: Little rebrand in a couple of months, well a couple
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  Speaker 4: of weeks ago, I guess, okay, change changed into the
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  Speaker 4: Nightmare Hunter podcast.
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  Speaker 1: So, because that's that's kind of what we branded ourselves
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  Speaker 1: as the Nightmare Hunters. We go chasing. Most people don't want.
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  Speaker 2: To, Yeah, where are you located? Are you on like YouTube?
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  Speaker 1: Or uh we're live on guys.
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  Speaker 2: All the leads in the scription below.
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  Speaker 4: We're live, uh Monday Nights, d A and I do
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  Speaker 4: uh what we just started what we call Monday Night
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  Speaker 4: Mayhem because uh, we're both authors. We both have uh
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  Speaker 4: he's got a lot more than me. We both got
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  Speaker 4: published books. He's got thirty five published books, thirty five
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  Speaker 4: plus and I'm just published my third and I'm about
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  Speaker 4: to publish my fourth, hopefully the next couple of weeks.
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  Speaker 4: But uh, we do something that's kind of little interactive
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  Speaker 4: writers thing where we're letting the chat help us write
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  Speaker 4: a story. Oh wow, that's cool, and just kind of
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  Speaker 4: progressing a little story as we go. Then Wednesday Nights
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  Speaker 4: is either the normal show or if we have another
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  Speaker 4: author on, we've kind of started calling it the authors
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  Speaker 4: Forum or something like that, where you know, DA and
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  Speaker 4: I will sit around and I can see sometimes too.
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  Speaker 4: They usually work a lot, so a lot of times
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  Speaker 4: there it's just me and d A.
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  Speaker 1: And Saturday Nights.
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  Speaker 4: Is usually our regular cryptid shows that we talk about
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  Speaker 4: most of the stuff that we go looking for and
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  Speaker 4: then encounters and sometimes we'll just pull up map to
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  Speaker 4: watch and just you know read encounters to people. Okay,
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  Speaker 4: a seat of our pants a lot of Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: But that's sometimes the best way to do it. Man,
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  Speaker 2: Sometimes the best, the most interesting things come out. You
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  Speaker 2: kind of like maybe open the chat lines or say hey, man,
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  Speaker 2: you guys can jump on if you have any Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: that's really cool. So you're you're also an investigator, So
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  Speaker 2: what what's that? How did how did that all start?
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  Speaker 1: Well?
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  Speaker 4: I mean I've always been interested in cryptids. Uh And
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  Speaker 4: when I read DA's book a couple of about five
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  Speaker 4: years ago. Now, one of his uh I think it
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  Speaker 4: was Oden's Call was the first one at the Wild Hunt.
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  Speaker 1: Odin's Call was the first one I read.
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  Speaker 4: So I just I found his email in the back
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  Speaker 4: of the book, and you know, not thinking anything about it,
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  Speaker 4: I didn't have.
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  Speaker 1: A clue how writers worked back then.
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  Speaker 4: I thought, you know, I thought anybody that published the
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  Speaker 4: book I thought was just this, well a million the
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  Speaker 4: air that you know, lived off of put a mansion
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  Speaker 4: on a hill somewhere. So I'm well, I almost send
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  Speaker 4: him an email anyway, and you know, he sent me
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  Speaker 4: an email back the next day, and I was like wow.
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  Speaker 4: So you know, one email turned into two, turned into twenty,
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  Speaker 4: turned into you know, five years later, he's.
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  Speaker 1: One of my best friends.
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  Speaker 2: And that's so cool that.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, And I've since said published three books because out
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  Speaker 1: of his worship, and you know, I'm working on the
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  Speaker 1: fourth one. He's working on his thirty six or thirty seventh.
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  Speaker 4: I can't I can't remember that.
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  Speaker 2: As a hell of a process. I was thinking about
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  Speaker 2: maybe one day doing that, but I don't know if
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  Speaker 2: I have the patients to actually sit down and do it. Well,
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  Speaker 2: I think it's easier than you think it is. I mean,
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  Speaker 2: I am a joke joke writer, but that's different. You know,
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  Speaker 2: just kind of go out and try it and then
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  Speaker 2: it kind of builds on its own. But I imagine
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  Speaker 2: it's similar process. You have like a core of an
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  Speaker 2: idea you just kind of build out from there.
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  Speaker 4: Right, Yeah, we'll see the first story that I wrote
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  Speaker 4: my first book. I've had a version of that story
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  Speaker 4: in my head for probably twenty five years or more.
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  Speaker 4: I just, you know, I didn't know what to do,
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  Speaker 4: didn't didn't think I could do it. You know, whatever
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  Speaker 4: excuse you wanted to make for forever and as long
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  Speaker 4: as the da and I've been friends, you know, you
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  Speaker 4: need to write it down. You need to write down.
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  Speaker 4: He's like, dude, just write it like you're writing the
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  Speaker 4: report in law enforcement. The DA's retired law enforcement too.
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  Speaker 4: He's like, you've got the experience, you know how to
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  Speaker 4: do it.
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  Speaker 1: You can do it.
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  Speaker 4: And it was just like one of the one day,
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  Speaker 4: I was laying there trying to go to sleep, and
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  Speaker 4: it's like somebody stuck a funnel in my ear.
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  Speaker 1: And for the first three chapters.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, And I woke up, and I woke up the
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  Speaker 4: next morning and I'm like, and I got to my
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  Speaker 4: office and I said, so, I just started typing, and really, honestly,
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  Speaker 4: I hadn't stopped, uh, because I put I got the
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  Speaker 4: first two books done and probably.
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  Speaker 1: Three and a half four months.
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  Speaker 2: Wow, that's prolific. That's extremely prolific. And so and you
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  Speaker 2: also you also do field investigations.
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  Speaker 4: About well d A and he lives in Missouri. I
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  Speaker 4: live in South Carolina and Dot was in Colorado. So
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  Speaker 4: getting all three of us together a lot of times
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  Speaker 4: it's hard to do, but you know, every once in
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  Speaker 4: a while, the stars line up and.
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  Speaker 1: We actually get to go out together.
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  Speaker 4: A lot of times it's me driving to Missouri and
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  Speaker 4: hanging out with DA and his his son Noah for
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  Speaker 4: a while and we've gotten into some some pretty nice
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  Speaker 4: and interesting situations down there. But uh Doc actually came
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  Speaker 4: down one time too. We all four got to go
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  Speaker 4: out and do some stuff. Uh the LBL thing though,
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  Speaker 4: that was the Woodwalkers had a meet and greet.
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  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, so me, my buddy. This is when I
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  Speaker 1: was still doing my podcast too.
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  Speaker 4: I had, but it got to be where that was
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  Speaker 4: just too much doing all our shows and everything was
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  Speaker 4: going on, so I just kind of let that go
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  Speaker 4: by the wayside. But anyway, at that time, Johnny and
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  Speaker 4: I were still doing our podcast.
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  Speaker 1: So we drove.
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  Speaker 4: Uh Da was supposed to be out there too, but
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  Speaker 4: he had to I think that was he had to
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  Speaker 4: help move his son in.
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  Speaker 1: Or back to their house except for.
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  Speaker 4: Some reason, I can't remember exactly what it was, but
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  Speaker 4: he didn't get to go. But I was, you know,
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  Speaker 4: we'd already paid for our hotel rooms, and you know,
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  Speaker 4: I already had the time of Also, Johnny and I
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  Speaker 4: went on ahead and went down.
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  Speaker 1: There, and.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, that was a that's a weird place. If you've
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  Speaker 4: never been to the l b L it is it
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  Speaker 4: is very very different.
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  Speaker 2: If we walked to a lot of people who's been
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  Speaker 2: in there, you know whether it be Darryl Denton or
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  Speaker 2: or many others, many many others. And you say, as
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  Speaker 2: soon as you crossed, you know where the little sign
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  Speaker 2: is right there at the south end. As soon as
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  Speaker 2: you cross that, you can feel there's a there's a
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  Speaker 2: distinct difference there. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: There.
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  Speaker 4: Darl was out there that week that weekend. Okay, I've
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  Speaker 4: known Darrel for a while. We've kind of crossed in
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  Speaker 4: the same circles a few times.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, but yeah, he's right though.
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  Speaker 4: We were, Johnny and I were into Mumbers Bay, which
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  Speaker 4: is uh, pretty much right smack dab in the middle
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  Speaker 4: of the craziness nowns. We were there at eleven o'clock
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  Speaker 4: in the morning and there was zero sounds of wildlife.
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  Speaker 1: It was nothing.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, you could hear crows as the lake way
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  Speaker 4: across the lake, but nothing like right where we were at.
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  Speaker 1: And I was just kidding around.
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  Speaker 4: I told Johnny, I said, you know, I would not
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  Speaker 4: be surprised if Jason vore he stepped out from behind
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  Speaker 4: one of these trees.
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  Speaker 1: That's just the feeling that you got. It was.
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  Speaker 4: Whoa, it was so and the way the wood. I
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  Speaker 4: had taken a video of it and sent it to
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  Speaker 4: d A. It's like I was turning in a circle
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  Speaker 4: and he was like, dude, that's something and he'd been
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  Speaker 4: there before, but he's like, that's just some of the
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  Speaker 4: creepiest woods that you could.
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  Speaker 1: Ever go in.
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  Speaker 4: But we we found like tons of fish skeletons that
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  Speaker 4: littered the short I'm talking like fish like that big okay,
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  Speaker 4: just boned out, scattered the shoreline and up into the woods.
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  Speaker 1: But nothing else. That's it was weird.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, that's it's I've heard of people going there
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  Speaker 2: and like, you know, in the winter time, I believe
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  Speaker 2: the water levels go down because these are like man
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  Speaker 2: made lakes. Used to be the land between two rivers
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  Speaker 2: as a long street.
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  Speaker 4: Land between the river is just what it started out
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  Speaker 4: to be. And then they made the legs now some
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  Speaker 4: land between the lakes.
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  Speaker 2: Right, and then like certain certain times in the winter
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  Speaker 2: then like the water level drops a little bit and
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  Speaker 2: there's certain places you can go. And then uh, I
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  Speaker 2: a friend of mine that I can't think his name right now,
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  Speaker 2: Roger Williams, he went up there and he said, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: I just walked out and just started finding these huge
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  Speaker 2: you know, either bigfoot tracks out there, just just like
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  Speaker 2: you know, in the middle and it's cold out there,
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  Speaker 2: and it's just it's just one of those places that
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  Speaker 2: you know, I've seen a person talk about. You know,
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  Speaker 2: there was a blood orange moon out one night and
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  Speaker 2: they seemed like basically like a small like a little
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  Speaker 2: she couldn't describe it. She said, it was like a
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  Speaker 2: little mouthed man. And there's just it's just that's where
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  Speaker 2: Martin Groves had his encounter. Then you have the masker
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  Speaker 2: at the lb L. It's just one of those places
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  Speaker 2: that are infamous amongst like Krypton hunters like yourself and others.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, and yeah, there was there was a lot
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  Speaker 4: of weird stuff that went on that that whole time
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  Speaker 4: we were down there. Uh, I told I said, we're
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  Speaker 4: back to the hotel room, Johnny. I. We were talking
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  Speaker 4: to d A on the video chat. I said, you know,
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  Speaker 4: it'd be kind of cool if because my daughter and
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  Speaker 4: future son in law were actually actually down there with
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  Speaker 4: us too, and my tyler, my future son in law.
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  Speaker 4: He was kind of our technical guy for our podcast.
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  Speaker 4: And I told DA, I said, you know, it'd be
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  Speaker 4: cool if because there's plenty of people with generators and
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  Speaker 4: there's things during the camps. Let's see, they had that
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  Speaker 4: camp out down there, but we were before we knew
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  Speaker 4: that was going on, we'd already had our hotel room,
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  Speaker 4: so okay. Then we found out they were there, and
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  Speaker 4: we were, well, we already had our camp, our hotel rooms,
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  Speaker 4: so we'll just stay in the hotel room and then.
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  Speaker 1: Just drive back. We were we were probably.
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  Speaker 4: Like twenty minutes from the 'LBL where we were where
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  Speaker 4: our hotel rooms were, so we'll just drive back and forth.
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  Speaker 4: I said it'd be cool if we could set up
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  Speaker 4: and that Wednesday night we're down there, or do human
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  Speaker 4: a Saturday night jump in and go live and and
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  Speaker 4: I could be live on It was d a X
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  Speaker 4: mocking at the time, but go live on the podcast
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  Speaker 4: from the LBL.
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  Speaker 1: Did you get signal out there?
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, we were getting signal everything because we got out
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  Speaker 4: there a little bit earlier. Oh well, actually we've been
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  Speaker 4: out there all day that day. But we got set up,
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  Speaker 4: you know, probably about thirty minutes early. Tyler went through
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  Speaker 4: all the check up. His computer was like a hunt
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  Speaker 4: or was like eighty percent and everything was working good.
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  Speaker 4: We got on with DA and Steve I think was
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  Speaker 4: d A and Steve I don't think DOT was on
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  Speaker 4: that night, but we got on uh test. Everything was
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  Speaker 4: working great, sound was good. We got some lights uh
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  Speaker 4: set up behind us so we could so you know,
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  Speaker 4: everything could be seen, or Johnny and I could be
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  Speaker 4: seeing as we were outside.
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  Speaker 1: Everything's working great.
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  Speaker 4: We were talking Steve and Da just like everything was great,
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  Speaker 4: just like you and I are talking.
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  Speaker 1: Everything's fine. Time for the show to start. DA starts.
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  Speaker 4: He does his little intro and he said, that's not
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  Speaker 4: a backdrop behind Robbie and Johnny there at the l
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  Speaker 4: B L. He said, So, Robbie, tell us what's going
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  Speaker 4: on and I as soon as I start talking, everything
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  Speaker 4: just went black. Competer went there from eighty percent, it
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  Speaker 4: went completely dead. We got a battery pack that uh
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  Speaker 4: somebody had put it in there. It was that one
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  Speaker 4: hundred percent.
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  Speaker 1: Tyler plugs it up dead just like that.
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  Speaker 4: We had to bring get a drop cord and my
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  Speaker 4: daughter had to drive her car down there. She has
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  Speaker 4: one of those ac uh.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah down in the back of the car or whatever. Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: She had to drive her car down there and we
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  Speaker 4: had to plug basically plug a uh drop cord into
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  Speaker 4: the into her adapter in her car and her to
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  Speaker 4: keep her car going and plug everything in that way
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  Speaker 4: to get on, get up and get back going.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, have no.
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  Speaker 4: Clue what what happened, what it started?
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  Speaker 1: It, It just everything just went. As soon as the
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  Speaker 1: podcast started, everything just died.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, It's one of those common occurrences that happen when
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  Speaker 2: you know, you'll have these like what do you wanna
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  Speaker 2: call it? Ghost hunters or paranormal investigators are out there
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  Speaker 2: with their k two meters and everything, and next thing
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  Speaker 2: you know, they'll they'll they'll actually bring extra battery packs
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  Speaker 2: and take them outside and they'll all go dead. But
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  Speaker 2: it's I never heard, well, I've heard of it, but
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  Speaker 2: it's I think it's less rare if you're like outside
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  Speaker 2: somewhere it's something interesting with the electric electro static or
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  Speaker 2: electric interference and somehow whatever this is, especially in this
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  Speaker 2: particular areas, it's just drawing it down. That's It's a
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  Speaker 2: I'm not surprised by it the stories I've heard coming
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  Speaker 2: out of that place, but I imagine it's much different, much
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  Speaker 2: different when you experience it yourself.
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  Speaker 4: Well, we talked about it after we finally got everything
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  Speaker 4: back up and running. We talked about it and we
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  Speaker 4: actually looked into it. I don't know if there's anything
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  Speaker 4: to do with it, but uh, the LBA is actually
• 15:47
  Speaker 4: convergence of three lay lines. Okay, there's lay line, so
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  Speaker 4: that may have something to do with it.
• 15:54
  Speaker 1: Well.
• 15:54
  Speaker 2: It's also there's a ton of like first of all,
• 15:58
  Speaker 2: it's like you know Native American Indian lands and people
• 16:00
  Speaker 2: got kicked off of there, and then settlers came in.
• 16:02
  Speaker 2: They got kicked off of there. Any place where you
• 16:04
  Speaker 2: have water, you know, it's and there's cemeteries every which
• 16:08
  Speaker 2: way in there.
• 16:08
  Speaker 4: Every Yeah, you don't drive down the road in that
• 16:11
  Speaker 4: place without passing the cemetery.
• 16:14
  Speaker 2: Right. It's just one of those weird places that I
• 16:17
  Speaker 2: didn't even know about the lay Lin's part. That's an
• 16:18
  Speaker 2: interesting but information I didn't have yet.
• 16:21
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's uh.
• 16:23
  Speaker 4: From what we could find out, there was it was
• 16:26
  Speaker 4: a convergence of three. There's like I said, it is
• 16:28
  Speaker 4: at least two, but it lid. There was a convergence
• 16:31
  Speaker 4: of three that ran right there at it.
• 16:34
  Speaker 2: And it's also not maintained very well, is it. It's
• 16:37
  Speaker 2: not a very well maintained area.
• 16:38
  Speaker 4: In the which side, you're okay, if you're on the
• 16:41
  Speaker 4: north side, everything's nice and pretty and you. Yeah, that's
• 16:46
  Speaker 4: where you got the wood bison and the and the
• 16:48
  Speaker 4: alek and all that stuff. And then you go up
• 16:51
  Speaker 4: to the to the other side.
• 16:53
  Speaker 1: And it's different.
• 16:57
  Speaker 4: I mean there's people up there camping in the Lumbers
• 16:59
  Speaker 4: Bay were when Johnny and I got out, right, but
• 17:03
  Speaker 4: still it.
• 17:03
  Speaker 1: Was just it's such a week. We were walking through the.
• 17:06
  Speaker 4: Woods and it just felt oppressive.
• 17:11
  Speaker 2: Wall It's like a like a just a sick feeling
• 17:14
  Speaker 2: in your head.
• 17:14
  Speaker 1: Or that was that was during the day.
• 17:17
  Speaker 2: Right, imagine being there in the night time. Man, oh
• 17:21
  Speaker 2: you work, all right, let's let's get into Saday.
• 17:24
  Speaker 1: So Johnny and I got down there on a Wednesday.
• 17:29
  Speaker 4: I think, well, my daughter and Tyler, we're not supposed
• 17:32
  Speaker 4: to get down there till I think they got down
• 17:35
  Speaker 4: maybe Friday, early Friday.
• 17:39
  Speaker 1: So.
• 17:42
  Speaker 4: Friday night I think it was because they get I
• 17:45
  Speaker 4: said they got down there on Friday and Friday night
• 17:47
  Speaker 4: we were like, okay, let's you know we're down there.
• 17:50
  Speaker 4: Greg Oguls was down there, if you know Greg. Yeah,
• 17:56
  Speaker 4: Greg and I good friends today. We've we've known each
• 17:58
  Speaker 4: other for a while. We went up we went to
• 18:00
  Speaker 4: a couple of conferences together.
• 18:02
  Speaker 2: Okay, so you know better than I do okay, good.
• 18:04
  Speaker 2: I know.
• 18:05
  Speaker 4: Was the original reason that the d A and I
• 18:08
  Speaker 4: were both gonna be down there is because we were
• 18:10
  Speaker 4: we were gonna be in that second movie he was
• 18:14
  Speaker 4: filmed or documentary he was filming. Strangely enough, though, all
• 18:19
  Speaker 4: the footage of Johnny and I got corrupted, which we
• 18:23
  Speaker 4: and we took that right before all the stuff happened with.
• 18:27
  Speaker 1: Our computers for the show. So yeah, it's weird anyway.
• 18:34
  Speaker 4: Uh So we we get up with Greg that night
• 18:37
  Speaker 4: when Taylor and Tyler got there, and Greg's that will
• 18:42
  Speaker 4: where do.
• 18:42
  Speaker 1: You want you? Where do you want to go? You
• 18:43
  Speaker 1: want to go where we've had encounters for this? You
• 18:45
  Speaker 1: will go over it?
• 18:46
  Speaker 4: I said, dude, I've had big foot encounters. I said,
• 18:48
  Speaker 4: I've never I've never seen orbs. Let's go where you
• 18:52
  Speaker 4: said there's orbs. Okay, okay, So if you get on
• 18:58
  Speaker 4: the trace, which you know that's the main the drive
• 19:01
  Speaker 4: heard that, and I had no clue where where we
• 19:05
  Speaker 4: were in retrospect. But you know, I'm I'm friends of
• 19:09
  Speaker 4: Martin too, and I taught to him the next day.
• 19:11
  Speaker 4: So I'll get into that part a minute. So just
• 19:13
  Speaker 4: hold time for the Martin Groves part of it too, okay,
• 19:17
  Speaker 4: because Martin and Darreln and all of them were at
• 19:20
  Speaker 4: this conference too. So Greg, me, Johnny Tyler, and my
• 19:25
  Speaker 4: daughter Taylor.
• 19:26
  Speaker 1: Go out and go to this place we go to.
• 19:29
  Speaker 1: We're coming in.
• 19:30
  Speaker 4: From the the good side, let's say, and we cross
• 19:33
  Speaker 4: on on the end and we go past, uh.
• 19:35
  Speaker 1: Go around to Lumbers.
• 19:36
  Speaker 4: Bay and go up to right past this little bit,
• 19:40
  Speaker 4: the little visitor center. And as soon as we passed
• 19:43
  Speaker 4: the visitor center on the left, it starts going uphill
• 19:46
  Speaker 4: and there's a little cut off to the right.
• 19:48
  Speaker 1: So Greg took take us up as little cut off.
• 19:50
  Speaker 1: Of course, we'll part.
• 19:51
  Speaker 4: Right beside the cemetery because you can't drive past any
• 19:54
  Speaker 4: part of that place without driving past the cemetery.
• 19:57
  Speaker 1: So we'll go up and turn around. It's already starting
• 19:58
  Speaker 1: to get pretty dark.
• 19:59
  Speaker 4: Greg gets all this camera stuff out and he's like,
• 20:02
  Speaker 4: all right, he said, well, we've we've seen orbs right
• 20:04
  Speaker 4: around in here.
• 20:06
  Speaker 1: Okay, cool, So long dirt road that kept on going.
• 20:16
  Speaker 4: Uh. Right beside where we parked, there's a big one
• 20:20
  Speaker 4: of the big red gates somebody had put across. I
• 20:23
  Speaker 4: guess the park had put across and locked down. But uh,
• 20:28
  Speaker 4: so basically you're at a fork like this, and uh,
• 20:31
  Speaker 4: one part goes up kind of just stops, and then
• 20:33
  Speaker 4: that kept on going.
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: But that this part at Fort All this way is
• 20:37
  Speaker 1: where the gate.
• 20:38
  Speaker 4: Was, and that gate was probably one hundred and fifty
• 20:41
  Speaker 4: tw hundred yards down from where we were at. We'd
• 20:43
  Speaker 4: seen it during the day when we drove past there.
• 20:47
  Speaker 4: But so we're we're standing there basically right next to
• 20:51
  Speaker 4: the cemetery and Greg and Johnny you're talking, and Greg
• 20:56
  Speaker 4: had gotten Tyler to do some of the camera work,
• 20:58
  Speaker 4: and I think Taylor was holding maybe iPhone or something
• 21:00
  Speaker 4: like that.
• 21:02
  Speaker 1: And of course, me being me, I'm like, how stupid
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: of me.
• 21:08
  Speaker 4: Would it be for me to walk about forty fifty
• 21:11
  Speaker 4: yards down that way in front of y'all?
• 21:12
  Speaker 1: And Trick said, pretty stupid, but I know you're gonna
• 21:15
  Speaker 1: do it anyway, and I'm like, yeah, it's all right.
• 21:17
  Speaker 1: I just want to know how stupid was I knew
• 21:19
  Speaker 1: I was gonna do it. It's just.
• 21:22
  Speaker 4: Well, my thing is, I didn't want I wanted to
• 21:24
  Speaker 4: see an experience. I didn't want to be influenced by
• 21:30
  Speaker 4: what they were saying or what you know, if they said.
• 21:32
  Speaker 1: Oh, well, look at that blue one there.
• 21:34
  Speaker 4: I didn't want to be like looking and you know,
• 21:37
  Speaker 4: I didn't want to be influenced by that. So I said,
• 21:38
  Speaker 4: I'm just gonna go down there by myself, which is
• 21:41
  Speaker 4: what I'm at to do. So I go down about
• 21:44
  Speaker 4: about thirty yards ahead of them, and I just kind
• 21:47
  Speaker 4: of sat there and let my eyes kind.
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: Of clear up. Yeah.
• 21:52
  Speaker 4: Well, I start seeing stuff flashing in front of me,
• 21:57
  Speaker 4: and while I'm focusing on that, then I start hearing
• 21:59
  Speaker 4: and I can hear Greg back there saying.
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: Oh, did you see that that red one? There's a
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: yellow one.
• 22:04
  Speaker 4: And I was seeing this stuff, but I wasn't standing
• 22:06
  Speaker 4: right beside them, and I wouldn't like, you know, I
• 22:09
  Speaker 4: wouldn't hearing them say, paying attention to them and then
• 22:12
  Speaker 4: looking and seeing something. I was seeing something and then
• 22:14
  Speaker 4: hearing them. Okay, yeah, so I felt like it, Okay,
• 22:19
  Speaker 4: it wasn't just you know, them influencing what I was seeing.
• 22:23
  Speaker 1: Being coerced in any way.
• 22:24
  Speaker 2: This is what you're seeing, and he's actually kind of
• 22:26
  Speaker 2: like secondhand saying it as you're seeing it.
• 22:28
  Speaker 4: It's like a visual and then a confirmation from right right. Well,
• 22:32
  Speaker 4: while I'm looking at that, I heard off to my right.
• 22:35
  Speaker 4: I started hearing footsteps, and I'm like, so, I, you know,
• 22:40
  Speaker 4: screw the orbs. At that point, I didn't care nothing
• 22:42
  Speaker 4: about that. I was like, Okay, we've got some company.
• 22:46
  Speaker 4: So I just kind of stopped and started focusing on that.
• 22:48
  Speaker 4: And they were still back there, just you know, gibbering
• 22:52
  Speaker 4: about the the orbs. But I'm listening to these these
• 22:57
  Speaker 4: footsteps just.
• 22:59
  Speaker 1: Kind of.
• 23:01
  Speaker 4: Moving parallel, parallel to the to the path that I
• 23:05
  Speaker 4: was on. But it was kind of it kind of
• 23:07
  Speaker 4: started the way out in front of me, and it
• 23:08
  Speaker 4: kind of worked this way around to where it was
• 23:10
  Speaker 4: almost even with me. Yeah, and so I'm like, okay,
• 23:15
  Speaker 4: trying to start backing up. So I just kind of
• 23:17
  Speaker 4: eased back over towards Greg and they're they're all oblivious
• 23:21
  Speaker 4: that there's something over here in the woods beside us,
• 23:23
  Speaker 4: because there are all of you.
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: So I get over there and like, oh, you stopped
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: the orbs. It was up right then.
• 23:29
  Speaker 4: I'm like, end of getting us to Greg, we got
• 23:31
  Speaker 4: some company over here. And you know, I turned back around.
• 23:34
  Speaker 4: I said, back over my left shoulder, and he's like really,
• 23:37
  Speaker 4: I'm like yeah. He stops, He looks and listens for
• 23:41
  Speaker 4: a little bit, and I think I think he might
• 23:43
  Speaker 4: have heard a footstep or two. He's like, he looked
• 23:47
  Speaker 4: at Tyler, who had I think Tyler had twitched and
• 23:51
  Speaker 4: it got the parabolic mic at that time, and so
• 23:56
  Speaker 4: Taylor got the cameras and Tyler I kind of went
• 24:01
  Speaker 4: like if if we were looking back to work the
• 24:03
  Speaker 4: way I was coming, Tyler and I kind of went
• 24:04
  Speaker 4: further up this way, and they stayed where they.
• 24:07
  Speaker 1: Were at because we wanted to get get away from
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: them with the.
• 24:10
  Speaker 4: Parabolic mic, so Tyler could turn and aim it instead
• 24:12
  Speaker 4: of so it would be picking up them instead of
• 24:15
  Speaker 4: what we.
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: Were trying to pick up. Mh.
• 24:18
  Speaker 4: So Johnny decided he was going to do an alcohol.
• 24:23
  Speaker 4: So he does an alcohol immediately gets an exact exact
• 24:32
  Speaker 4: mimic of his alcohol back, but a lot deeper.
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: Now it didn't sound like it was a bird.
• 24:38
  Speaker 4: It sounded like it was something with a big set
• 24:41
  Speaker 4: of lungs, imitating that right.
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: He looks up at me and I might.
• 24:50
  Speaker 4: So he does it again, gets another exact exact mimic.
• 24:57
  Speaker 4: He looks up and I'm you know, I was just want,
• 25:00
  Speaker 4: you know, keep it going as long as you can,
• 25:03
  Speaker 4: and he does it.
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: Again. Well the third time, instead.
• 25:06
  Speaker 4: Of it being ah exact mimic, it was more.
• 25:10
  Speaker 2: Like woo, I gave up.
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it was just like it was just like, I'm
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: done with you, dude.
• 25:19
  Speaker 4: So I think that, you know, we had some big
• 25:22
  Speaker 4: foot right there in front of us messing around with us. Well,
• 25:26
  Speaker 4: while Tyler and I were over there listening to that,
• 25:31
  Speaker 4: as soon as that that who who who came in,
• 25:34
  Speaker 4: we hear three knocks almost identically in front of or
• 25:39
  Speaker 4: right in front of where Tyler and I were standing.
• 25:41
  Speaker 2: Okay, and I.
• 25:42
  Speaker 4: Turned around, looked at Greg and I went and he's like, yeah,
• 25:47
  Speaker 4: I heard it so well, then mysterious. So the cameras
• 25:52
  Speaker 4: die again.
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: So we stood out there. We didn't hear anything else
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: for a little bit.
• 25:56
  Speaker 4: It's probably about twenty minutes we put the camera equipment up.
• 26:04
  Speaker 4: It was not like freezing cold, but it was, you know,
• 26:08
  Speaker 4: it was chilly. So my daughter had gotten in the
• 26:10
  Speaker 4: car and was sitting in the car. Because she was
• 26:12
  Speaker 4: a little she didn't have a big enough jacket. She's like,
• 26:15
  Speaker 4: I'm I'm just gonna sit the car.
• 26:16
  Speaker 2: DoD.
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: I'm like, okay.
• 26:19
  Speaker 4: Well, as we're standing after talking, we're kind of whispering around,
• 26:21
  Speaker 4: just you know, just kind of letting things happen, you know,
• 26:23
  Speaker 4: because sometimes you know, you don't need to be quiet,
• 26:26
  Speaker 4: you just need to act like you're there, being there. Yes,
• 26:31
  Speaker 4: So we're just being there. Johnny and Greg were talking,
• 26:35
  Speaker 4: Tyler and I were talking. Well, we hear something behind
• 26:39
  Speaker 4: us on the other side, you know, back towards the
• 26:41
  Speaker 4: cemetery side and kind of back up the road.
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: A little ways so, and it sounded like it was
• 26:48
  Speaker 1: moving down towards the car.
• 26:49
  Speaker 4: Well. Tyler, of course, at that point he goes into
• 26:53
  Speaker 4: the boyfriend mode. He's like, let's moving towards the car.
• 26:56
  Speaker 4: I'm going over there next to Taylor. I'm like, all right, cold,
• 26:58
  Speaker 4: go over there. So and I'm like, all right, I
• 27:01
  Speaker 4: guess I need to go over to ben Dad.
• 27:04
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 27:05
  Speaker 4: So I walked to the back of the car and
• 27:07
  Speaker 4: I got Johnny and Gregg's attention. I said, you thought
• 27:11
  Speaker 4: we heard something over there. So they kind of quiet
• 27:13
  Speaker 4: down a little bit just so they could hear well
• 27:17
  Speaker 4: as I get over the next to Tiler. We here
• 27:19
  Speaker 4: because it was hard to describe it during the night,
• 27:23
  Speaker 4: we went back over there and looked at during the
• 27:24
  Speaker 4: day and basically it was like a draw that came down.
• 27:27
  Speaker 4: You couldn't see this at night, but you had like
• 27:29
  Speaker 4: one little gully that came down and another one that
• 27:34
  Speaker 4: kind of came down and they met and then they
• 27:36
  Speaker 4: kind of fallen into another one went down towards the road,
• 27:38
  Speaker 4: because those where we were at was kind of above
• 27:41
  Speaker 4: the main road, above the trace, right, So this kind
• 27:44
  Speaker 4: of fed down and went over towards the trace, and
• 27:47
  Speaker 4: then there was more way more woods way over on
• 27:50
  Speaker 4: the other side. But at night, it just looked like
• 27:54
  Speaker 4: it was just just a little bank that you would
• 27:56
  Speaker 4: step down. You couldn't tell how far down or how
• 27:58
  Speaker 4: deep down it was. We stepped around, it was looking
• 28:03
  Speaker 4: and there was you could tell there was a tree
• 28:06
  Speaker 4: down there, but you couldn't see it. Looked like it
• 28:08
  Speaker 4: was about that big around, you know.
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: Decent size street twelve sixteen.
• 28:13
  Speaker 4: Yeah, and uh, we could hear something down there, but
• 28:17
  Speaker 4: we couldn't see anything. And I had a headlamp on,
• 28:20
  Speaker 4: so I turned back around, and you know, Johnny and
• 28:22
  Speaker 4: I have been in the woods a lot together, so
• 28:24
  Speaker 4: we kind of knew what was going on. So I
• 28:26
  Speaker 4: went just pipped my chest and he knew that was
• 28:30
  Speaker 4: shut up and look so he got Gregory stop and
• 28:33
  Speaker 4: I'm like, I pointed to my eyes and you don't look.
• 28:38
  Speaker 4: I'm about to turn the light on, and I said,
• 28:41
  Speaker 4: there's like pointed down there. So we didn't so I
• 28:43
  Speaker 4: wouldn't say nothing. But he knew what I was talking about.
• 28:46
  Speaker 4: He gives me the thumbs up. I turned back around
• 28:50
  Speaker 4: and I clicked my light on. And when I clicked
• 28:52
  Speaker 4: my light on, right down at that tree, there's two
• 28:56
  Speaker 4: eyes about that big around looking back up at us.
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: Now to us, it look like they were about that
• 29:01
  Speaker 1: far off.
• 29:01
  Speaker 4: The ground, because you know, we couldn't You can only
• 29:05
  Speaker 4: see see so far, and you couldn't tell kept it
• 29:09
  Speaker 4: kept going down, but so all you could see was
• 29:13
  Speaker 4: just his two green eyes looking at and you can
• 29:15
  Speaker 4: see him blink every once in a while, and it
• 29:18
  Speaker 4: do like that, and you can see him blink. And
• 29:25
  Speaker 4: you gotta understand, my son in law, it's six foot eight.
• 29:29
  Speaker 4: He's not a small kid, and he doesn't he doesn't
• 29:33
  Speaker 4: jar too easy. But he had the paradigm shift that night.
• 29:39
  Speaker 2: Okay, what's the shift? You know when this world went
• 29:44
  Speaker 2: upside down?
• 29:44
  Speaker 3: You mean, yeah, when you realize when you realize, uh
• 29:49
  Speaker 3: that you know you're you equate that to grinding the
• 29:53
  Speaker 3: gears when you uh, you can hear the gears grinding
• 29:57
  Speaker 3: when you miss miss a shift.
• 30:01
  Speaker 4: His brain missed the shift because you could hear the
• 30:02
  Speaker 4: gears ground and when he saw it because he went
• 30:04
  Speaker 4: from being he went from thinking Okay, this is possible
• 30:07
  Speaker 4: for something like that to be around to thinking, okay,
• 30:10
  Speaker 4: I see something that I can't I can't explain because
• 30:15
  Speaker 4: any kind of small animal. As soon as I turned
• 30:17
  Speaker 4: that lights on and we started making noise, we'll just
• 30:19
  Speaker 4: skid it off. This thing stayed there and watched us,
• 30:24
  Speaker 4: I mean intently, so Tyler. Tyler keeps saying, we're up
• 30:29
  Speaker 4: here and we're armed. If you if this is somebody
• 30:31
  Speaker 4: playing around with us, you need to let us know
• 30:33
  Speaker 4: we're up and just like over and over, he was
• 30:36
  Speaker 4: like stuck in that we're up here and we're armed,
• 30:38
  Speaker 4: let us know.
• 30:38
  Speaker 1: And I'm like, I'm down, big guys, all right, we're good.
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: Well why we're sitting you know.
• 30:45
  Speaker 4: Johnny had been up behind me and I got I
• 30:47
  Speaker 4: was doing like this and he finally come down and
• 30:49
  Speaker 4: he was.
• 30:49
  Speaker 1: Like, well, I don't see it. Well he was looking
• 30:51
  Speaker 1: directly at the tree.
• 30:53
  Speaker 4: So I reached over and grabbed him by his jacket
• 30:56
  Speaker 4: and pulled him over in front of me. It was
• 30:58
  Speaker 4: like and as soon as I pulled him over, he
• 31:00
  Speaker 4: was like, he looks back and he says, what the
• 31:04
  Speaker 4: hell is that? I said, you tell me, it's just
• 31:07
  Speaker 4: set of glowing red or glowing green eyes. I said,
• 31:10
  Speaker 4: you tell me, I don't know. And Gregg's over my
• 31:14
  Speaker 4: right shoulder looking and he was like, he was just like,
• 31:16
  Speaker 4: I don't, I don't know. And like I said, we'd
• 31:20
  Speaker 4: already put the camera equipment up because it had already
• 31:22
  Speaker 4: started act. Yeah, so this is just us looking at
• 31:26
  Speaker 4: this point. We don't have any video evidence of it,
• 31:28
  Speaker 4: which I wish we had because it was just like
• 31:31
  Speaker 4: you said, unnerving.
• 31:32
  Speaker 1: That is the best description of it. So we watch
• 31:36
  Speaker 1: it for a little bit.
• 31:37
  Speaker 4: Well, Johnny kind of backs up because he heard something
• 31:40
  Speaker 4: behind us, So he goes up there and starts looking around.
• 31:44
  Speaker 4: Let me back up to the reason that he was
• 31:46
  Speaker 4: back behind us in the first place is he said,
• 31:49
  Speaker 4: when I cut my light on, he said, somewhere out
• 31:52
  Speaker 4: passed where the light was, he said he thought he
• 31:55
  Speaker 4: saw a shadow kind of move back into the shadows
• 31:59
  Speaker 4: from like one lot come on.
• 32:00
  Speaker 1: It just kind of.
• 32:01
  Speaker 4: Now, he didn't say anything about that till till later on,
• 32:04
  Speaker 4: but he was like when he was looking at that,
• 32:05
  Speaker 4: he's like, you know, I saw that up there. I
• 32:07
  Speaker 4: might need to go back up there and make sure
• 32:08
  Speaker 4: there's nothing coming around behind us.
• 32:10
  Speaker 2: Right, That's a good that's a good call though, by
• 32:12
  Speaker 2: the way, everybody was there.
• 32:14
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 32:14
  Speaker 4: So he goes back up there, and you know, he's
• 32:17
  Speaker 4: like probably like fifteen twenty feet away from us, and
• 32:21
  Speaker 4: we're Tyler and I are still sitting there. Steady looked
• 32:23
  Speaker 4: at We probably looked at this thing for like maybe
• 32:26
  Speaker 4: fifteen minutes, and it just stayed there and watched us
• 32:30
  Speaker 4: for fifteen minutes, which you know, that tells me that
• 32:33
  Speaker 4: it was not annoy Well. Number one, Uh, possums and
• 32:38
  Speaker 4: raccoons don't have that type of that color of tap tap.
• 32:40
  Speaker 1: Of them lucida in their eyes shine. Okay. Dogs are
• 32:45
  Speaker 1: the closest thing that I can come to that have.
• 32:47
  Speaker 4: A color that that color almost the color of your
• 32:50
  Speaker 4: background behind you, is what it. Yeah, that green with
• 32:55
  Speaker 4: a little bit of a black bit mixed into it.
• 32:59
  Speaker 1: That's that's pretty close to what the color was.
• 33:02
  Speaker 4: So I hear, Johnny when I turn around and look
• 33:07
  Speaker 4: back towards him and he motions because Johnny wears those
• 33:11
  Speaker 4: Byonic ears because he's been working in construction all his
• 33:14
  Speaker 4: life and he's you know, yeah, I was like, not
• 33:23
  Speaker 4: not not at a prescribe here in aid, but just
• 33:26
  Speaker 4: those that you can get on U. They used to
• 33:28
  Speaker 4: have the commercial for him all the time on TV.
• 33:31
  Speaker 4: It's just enough to help him, uh because a lot
• 33:34
  Speaker 4: of times when when you're talking to him, you know
• 33:36
  Speaker 4: he's reading reading lips, but he's just got those kind
• 33:40
  Speaker 4: of helping Well, he could hear something walking up behind us,
• 33:42
  Speaker 4: so that he got my attention and said, well, as
• 33:47
  Speaker 4: I turned my head, well, I turned my head back around,
• 33:50
  Speaker 4: it was gone. Never heard anything, never heard it move, nothing,
• 33:55
  Speaker 4: It was just gone.
• 33:57
  Speaker 1: Bush was unnerving.
• 33:59
  Speaker 4: So we stayed there probably another five ten minutes, never
• 34:04
  Speaker 4: heard anything else, Like, okay, that was that was interesting.
• 34:10
  Speaker 4: So we go back to the LBLS kind of hang
• 34:13
  Speaker 4: out with with him for a little while, A little
• 34:15
  Speaker 4: while longer, talked to Greg and or not greg or
• 34:18
  Speaker 4: Greg House not Greg Ogle's talk to Greg House and
• 34:20
  Speaker 4: Missy and all them for a little bit more. We
• 34:23
  Speaker 4: headed on back to the hotel. Well the next day
• 34:26
  Speaker 4: we get up and you know, doing our stuff in
• 34:28
  Speaker 4: the morning time, we go to lunch, and while we're
• 34:31
  Speaker 4: at lunch, Tyler says, well, why don't we go back
• 34:33
  Speaker 4: over there during the day. We can take some some
• 34:36
  Speaker 4: establishing shots and some things like that, and we kind
• 34:38
  Speaker 4: of look and see what, you know, just get a
• 34:41
  Speaker 4: look at the of the land right see what it
• 34:44
  Speaker 4: looked like, what it looks like during the day, so
• 34:46
  Speaker 4: we can kind of know better about what the size
• 34:48
  Speaker 4: of the thing was. I'm like, hey, that's a great idea,
• 34:51
  Speaker 4: because we knew exactly where we were at. So we
• 34:53
  Speaker 4: drove back over there, pulled up and pulled our car
• 34:57
  Speaker 4: exactly the way Greg's was not before Tyler gets out
• 35:01
  Speaker 4: and he was standing on a piece of curban that
• 35:05
  Speaker 4: they used to go around the cemetery, so he knew
• 35:09
  Speaker 4: exactly where we were standing. So he stood right exactly
• 35:13
  Speaker 4: where he was, and I stood in front of him
• 35:15
  Speaker 4: and I said, I'm gonna walk down the hill to that,
• 35:17
  Speaker 4: to that tree, and the way I'm gonna know exactly
• 35:19
  Speaker 4: where how far away it was from us. So I
• 35:23
  Speaker 4: go off down the hill, just walking straight from him
• 35:25
  Speaker 4: down to that tree. But when I got down the tree,
• 35:27
  Speaker 4: that's when I realized that, you know, I said, we
• 35:30
  Speaker 4: thought it was that far off the ground. Right, I'm
• 35:33
  Speaker 4: looking this tree, and I'm looking back up at Tyler
• 35:36
  Speaker 4: and I'm looking and I'm sitting there thinking, okay, uh hum,
• 35:42
  Speaker 4: this is uh, this is gonna be bigger than we
• 35:44
  Speaker 4: thought it was, because the.
• 35:45
  Speaker 1: Tree was from where the ground was actually to the.
• 35:51
  Speaker 4: Level that we saw its eyes on the tree, instead
• 35:53
  Speaker 4: of it had been about two feet, was more of
• 35:55
  Speaker 4: a like three and a half to four feet because
• 35:58
  Speaker 4: the ground sloped down and you couldn't see the ground
• 36:00
  Speaker 4: from there. So what we thought we thought it was
• 36:03
  Speaker 4: standing on the ground, it was actually you know, two
• 36:06
  Speaker 4: and a half three feet above the ground, maybe even more,
• 36:08
  Speaker 4: maybe four feet. Because I told Tyler, I said, hey,
• 36:11
  Speaker 4: I'm gonna start bending my head down, and you tell
• 36:14
  Speaker 4: me stop.
• 36:17
  Speaker 1: Where the eyes were we saw it last night.
• 36:19
  Speaker 4: So I'm five nine and I was standing right next
• 36:22
  Speaker 4: the tree and I started bending down and I got
• 36:24
  Speaker 4: about like that. He said stop, and I looked down
• 36:29
  Speaker 4: and I was probably about you know, I'd only slumped
• 36:32
  Speaker 4: down a little bit.
• 36:33
  Speaker 1: So whatever this.
• 36:34
  Speaker 4: Thing was was, I can in my mind, I can
• 36:38
  Speaker 4: envision it, you know.
• 36:41
  Speaker 1: Okay, like leaning at an angle kind of looking.
• 36:43
  Speaker 4: Out yep, looking up, because that would have been the
• 36:47
  Speaker 4: tree would have been right here on his right hand side,
• 36:51
  Speaker 4: looking around, Yeah, instead of standing straight up.
• 36:53
  Speaker 1: It was doing like this.
• 36:54
  Speaker 4: Well, the leaf litter was probably about that that thick,
• 36:57
  Speaker 4: which you know, explains why we didn't hear anything when
• 37:00
  Speaker 4: it walked off. I saw some scuff marks and some
• 37:03
  Speaker 4: drags and stuff like that, but nothing that you could
• 37:05
  Speaker 4: get clear print out of. Right, And you know, so
• 37:10
  Speaker 4: we called Johnny over because he was he'd been walking
• 37:12
  Speaker 4: around up.
• 37:12
  Speaker 1: The area where he heard some stuff.
• 37:14
  Speaker 4: Well, he come walking over there, and he had reason
• 37:15
  Speaker 4: I told you about the buyingic gears, because he had
• 37:17
  Speaker 4: him on the whole time that Tyler and I were
• 37:19
  Speaker 4: doing that. He said he could hear us talking, but
• 37:21
  Speaker 4: he never could hear us move So that that.
• 37:25
  Speaker 2: Just okay, that kind of like the kind of substantiates
• 37:28
  Speaker 2: what you that you were having, Okay.
• 37:30
  Speaker 4: Yeah, which is why this is why we never heard
• 37:32
  Speaker 4: anything move off. So the sound we heard, I think
• 37:36
  Speaker 4: it wanted us to hear that. I think I think
• 37:39
  Speaker 4: there was two of them. I think they were trying
• 37:40
  Speaker 4: to separate somebody. I think we're I think they were
• 37:43
  Speaker 4: actively hunting us. I think this is and this is
• 37:48
  Speaker 4: this might be a controversial thing, but I think we
• 37:52
  Speaker 4: were having bigfoot that over there the before that. And
• 37:58
  Speaker 4: I'm not saying they were trying to warn us or anything,
• 38:00
  Speaker 4: but I don't think the two get along. So I
• 38:04
  Speaker 4: think there might have been some kind of you know,
• 38:06
  Speaker 4: some kind of back and forth. Okay, maybe the dog
• 38:10
  Speaker 4: man had gotten a little too close and big big
• 38:13
  Speaker 4: Foot were running them back over that way and then
• 38:15
  Speaker 4: they you know, they saw us and we'll get a
• 38:17
  Speaker 4: quick snack call we leave.
• 38:19
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I've heard that before.
• 38:20
  Speaker 2: Like where like this guy was getting he always gets
• 38:23
  Speaker 2: uh he gets some mind speak and he goes up
• 38:27
  Speaker 2: there all the time. And this one time he went
• 38:29
  Speaker 2: up there, I think it was Alfred Santa Rica, and
• 38:31
  Speaker 2: he was like they were saying, hey, you're not going
• 38:35
  Speaker 2: to want to come up here today. He said, what
• 38:36
  Speaker 2: are you talking about? He said, don't come and you
• 38:38
  Speaker 2: go said he still went and he went, he goes, oh, hey,
• 38:41
  Speaker 2: but you need to go. You need to go, and
• 38:43
  Speaker 2: then he started to leave and then all of a sudden,
• 38:45
  Speaker 2: like shit kicked off and they were actually he said,
• 38:47
  Speaker 2: he said he's seen where they looked like there was
• 38:49
  Speaker 2: a he found a place in the forest. This is
• 38:52
  Speaker 2: in New York State where it was all just like
• 38:55
  Speaker 2: the whole complete, like trees and all the saplings, and
• 38:58
  Speaker 2: like I mean big pieces too, you know me, you know,
• 39:00
  Speaker 2: four or five in streets just ripped out of the ground,
• 39:02
  Speaker 2: like there was a big battle on top of a
• 39:04
  Speaker 2: ridge somewheres in New York, like when he went up
• 39:06
  Speaker 2: later after he left. And also like some I think
• 39:10
  Speaker 2: some spirit of the force came out like like a
• 39:12
  Speaker 2: deer and like just stared at him with glowing eyes
• 39:15
  Speaker 2: the things that are out there. Man, I don't think
• 39:17
  Speaker 2: people realize, you know, they want to think that we know,
• 39:19
  Speaker 2: you know what I mean, because it makes us feel
• 39:21
  Speaker 2: good when we think we know. It gives us a
• 39:23
  Speaker 2: sense of like I don't know, like comfort and knowing
• 39:26
  Speaker 2: that we know what's out there.
• 39:27
  Speaker 1: But I don't think we do.
• 39:28
  Speaker 2: Man, not even not even in the slightest, Not in
• 39:30
  Speaker 2: the slightest, even people who've experienced it, like yourself and others,
• 39:33
  Speaker 2: they still don't know what the hell they seem.
• 39:34
  Speaker 1: No, no, no, I have no clue. But so.
• 39:39
  Speaker 4: After we make our discovery that during that day, we
• 39:43
  Speaker 4: go back to base camp and I told Johnny, And
• 39:48
  Speaker 4: then I said, I'm gonna go find Martin, and I'm
• 39:50
  Speaker 4: gonna talk to Martin, because you know, obviously Martin being
• 39:53
  Speaker 4: you know, a wealth of knowledge on that place. So
• 39:56
  Speaker 4: I went and found him, sat down, talked with him.
• 39:59
  Speaker 4: I said, hey, let me run something by you. He said,
• 40:02
  Speaker 4: anytown brother, He said, yeah, Tell dude, I'm a little
• 40:10
  Speaker 4: bit of an imprecious. I can't talk about somebody or
• 40:14
  Speaker 4: tell something without trying to use their voice.
• 40:16
  Speaker 1: It's a curse. But uh so, anyway, I sit down.
• 40:19
  Speaker 1: I said, well, this is what happened.
• 40:21
  Speaker 4: I told I went through what happened night before, and
• 40:23
  Speaker 4: I went through and told him, you know exactly what
• 40:26
  Speaker 4: we did, uh right before we came back up there
• 40:29
  Speaker 4: that day, and he tell me again, exactly where you were?
• 40:34
  Speaker 1: I said. We went through the Members Bay, went past thet.
• 40:38
  Speaker 4: The little park services stay, a little visitor center whatever
• 40:42
  Speaker 4: you wanna call it, he said, And he turned right
• 40:44
  Speaker 4: as soon as you passed that and went up off
• 40:46
  Speaker 4: up the hill, and there's a little cemetery on you left.
• 40:48
  Speaker 4: I said, yep, he said, dirt road off to your right,
• 40:51
  Speaker 4: big red gate across across it.
• 40:54
  Speaker 1: Yep, that's it. Exactly. He goes, he looks around.
• 40:57
  Speaker 4: He said, uh, Robbie, I said, yeah, Martin, he said,
• 41:02
  Speaker 4: you were about one hundred yards from the original nineteen
• 41:04
  Speaker 4: eighty two master site.
• 41:07
  Speaker 1: I said, that's where that was.
• 41:11
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's the that's the part they that's the part
• 41:13
  Speaker 2: they they blocked off because of that, the massacre.
• 41:16
  Speaker 4: I don't know, but he said, we were, We were
• 41:20
  Speaker 4: within a couple of hundred yards give or take of
• 41:23
  Speaker 4: that site.
• 41:25
  Speaker 1: I was like, would have been helpful to have that
• 41:30
  Speaker 1: the night before? What's what's Craig out there doing?
• 41:33
  Speaker 2: You know?
• 41:33
  Speaker 1: If I don't think I don't think he did.
• 41:38
  Speaker 4: I think Greg just you know, was just you know,
• 41:41
  Speaker 4: they probably had some some encounters and some stuff there before.
• 41:45
  Speaker 4: I mean, it's not like Greg goes to l b
• 41:47
  Speaker 4: L every other day anyway. I mean it was one
• 41:49
  Speaker 4: like his second or third time that he'd been there. So,
• 41:55
  Speaker 4: I mean, you know, unless you're somebody like Martin who's
• 41:59
  Speaker 4: you know, been there since that stuff's happened and knows
• 42:01
  Speaker 4: that stuff, you know that it's not like they broadcast, Hey,
• 42:04
  Speaker 4: this is where a family was masked. You know, they
• 42:07
  Speaker 4: know they've tried to scrub that off, the off the
• 42:10
  Speaker 4: Internet is anyway, so it's not like they broadcast Hey, yeah,
• 42:13
  Speaker 4: this is where this has happened at.
• 42:15
  Speaker 2: Yeah, used to hunt there, Martin, used to hunt there.
• 42:19
  Speaker 2: I mean for years before that even happened. And that
• 42:21
  Speaker 2: was that ninety three, I think it was when has happened.
• 42:24
  Speaker 2: That's that's. Yeah.
• 42:26
  Speaker 4: One of my accord to him that was that we
• 42:28
  Speaker 4: were within one hundred yards of that original well that
• 42:32
  Speaker 4: family was mastered.
• 42:34
  Speaker 2: And and and and you and you still continue to
• 42:37
  Speaker 2: do that, even to continue to do what you do
• 42:39
  Speaker 2: other than write your books, and because you enjoy you
• 42:42
  Speaker 2: enjoyed the thrill of the fear or what is it about.
• 42:45
  Speaker 2: I think it's the wanting to know the unknown. That's
• 42:48
  Speaker 2: that driving from the inside of humanity.
• 42:53
  Speaker 4: I'm not I don't consider myself an adrenaline junkie, because
• 42:56
  Speaker 4: you ain't gonna get me to jump out of a
• 42:58
  Speaker 4: perfectly good airplane. Hell, you can't even to me to
• 43:00
  Speaker 4: go up in an airplane. I'm not gonna bungee jump.
• 43:02
  Speaker 4: I'm not gonna you know, I'm not gonna do anything
• 43:05
  Speaker 4: stupid like that. But but I will go, you know,
• 43:08
  Speaker 4: out in the woods and dark and look for things
• 43:11
  Speaker 4: like that.
• 43:12
  Speaker 1: I don't know. I guess each his own true.
• 43:14
  Speaker 4: I guess people that like the skydive are not are
• 43:18
  Speaker 4: not the kind of people that's gonna jump in a
• 43:20
  Speaker 4: cage and go under the water with a shark and
• 43:23
  Speaker 4: vice versa.
• 43:24
  Speaker 1: I mean, everybody's got their own.
• 43:26
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it would be cool if you actually went up
• 43:28
  Speaker 2: to one of the skydiving places somewhere and be like, hey, guys,
• 43:30
  Speaker 2: want to go out hunting monsters? What happens?
• 43:36
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that was probably.
• 43:40
  Speaker 4: Three years two and a half, three years ago when
• 43:42
  Speaker 4: that happened. And you know, I've been to Missouri several
• 43:45
  Speaker 4: times since then. We had some some interesting encounters in Missouri.
• 43:53
  Speaker 1: A strange place.
• 43:54
  Speaker 2: The southern part of Missouri, down that way towards the
• 43:57
  Speaker 2: h towards the Yeah, was it Darkansas Line, Arkansas?
• 44:01
  Speaker 1: Yeah, not far from then.
• 44:02
  Speaker 4: It's in uh Off type of rock lake, Joe Ball
• 44:07
  Speaker 4: campsite and uh Comb fell.
• 44:12
  Speaker 2: I was looking to move there when I left Germany.
• 44:14
  Speaker 2: I lived in Germany for twenty years until they try
• 44:16
  Speaker 2: to give me the old complique and I said, you know,
• 44:18
  Speaker 2: the hell with that, and we just ended up moving here.
• 44:21
  Speaker 2: This place is also very spooky, very spooky down here
• 44:24
  Speaker 2: in the Yugutan. I mean you got like witches and
• 44:26
  Speaker 2: stuff like that down here in Nahuas, which is like
• 44:29
  Speaker 2: a shape shifter and witches, and uh, they get these
• 44:32
  Speaker 2: little things called the alusis, which are like a little
• 44:35
  Speaker 2: like goblin fairy type cupid looking things that are like
• 44:40
  Speaker 2: three foot tall with a big Buddha belly. And uh,
• 44:43
  Speaker 2: you know if you put if you hear them in
• 44:45
  Speaker 2: the like, they come out of the caves. Here's a
• 44:46
  Speaker 2: lot of caves here if you like. The Mexicans will
• 44:49
  Speaker 2: be in our yard. They have like these big backyards
• 44:51
  Speaker 2: and they'll go, oh yeah. This one guy was telling
• 44:53
  Speaker 2: me a story where he they kept hearing something in
• 44:56
  Speaker 2: the corner, and he goes, check this out. So he
• 44:58
  Speaker 2: lit a cigarette, set it in the corner, poured a
• 45:00
  Speaker 2: little glass of beer and set it out there, and
• 45:02
  Speaker 2: this fucking thing came out, drank the beer and started
• 45:05
  Speaker 2: to smoke the cigarette, a little two and a half
• 45:07
  Speaker 2: foot three foot tall little thing man. And the fucking
• 45:09
  Speaker 2: dude ran out of there, and he gets sick once
• 45:12
  Speaker 2: they encountered him too, for up to like forty five days.
• 45:14
  Speaker 2: Some people even perish. It's it's one of those kinds
• 45:17
  Speaker 2: of places. It's very no like Appalachia. You know, Appalachia
• 45:22
  Speaker 2: is another one of those places where you just those
• 45:24
  Speaker 2: mountains are so old, they're so ancient.
• 45:27
  Speaker 1: They used to be.
• 45:28
  Speaker 2: Connect to Europe and even parts of Africa, like the
• 45:30
  Speaker 2: Atlas Mountains all that, you know, with the Continental Drift,
• 45:33
  Speaker 2: they're very old.
• 45:34
  Speaker 4: Appalachians are pretty much they start in my backyard because
• 45:37
  Speaker 4: I'm uh right at the Pickens County where I live
• 45:42
  Speaker 4: is ride the ice and type of rock was the
• 45:44
  Speaker 4: start of the Appalachian Trail.
• 45:47
  Speaker 2: Okay, okay, yeah, I'm from Maryland initially, so we have
• 45:50
  Speaker 2: that too in the western part, but I'm over I'm
• 45:53
  Speaker 2: from the Baltimore area. But it's it's you know, we
• 45:56
  Speaker 2: have more like honkings and stuff out there, you know.
• 45:57
  Speaker 4: Like start you can start the trail and walk mire
• 46:02
  Speaker 4: all the way to New York and uh up in
• 46:04
  Speaker 4: the Catskills.
• 46:05
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's one of the It's one of
• 46:07
  Speaker 2: those places that people just don't realize. There's a lot
• 46:09
  Speaker 2: of like a lot of folklore, a lot of folklore
• 46:11
  Speaker 2: like you know, giant like giant owls, Like I had
• 46:15
  Speaker 2: a gentleman on to talked about a ten foot hour
• 46:17
  Speaker 2: with a thirty foot wingspan trying to get them, like
• 46:19
  Speaker 2: with red glowing eyes coming out of the tree. And
• 46:22
  Speaker 2: I mean you could see he's like chain smoking while
• 46:25
  Speaker 2: he's telling me this man like just just you know,
• 46:28
  Speaker 2: like and it was really hard for him.
• 46:29
  Speaker 1: And it's just the things that are up there.
• 46:32
  Speaker 2: Man, the world, you know, because we, you know, as
• 46:34
  Speaker 2: being humans, we kind of like conquered the whole planet,
• 46:37
  Speaker 2: except for maybe Antarctica because it's too damn cold.
• 46:39
  Speaker 1: Well we have well there's that too.
• 46:43
  Speaker 4: Do you know how much do you know the number
• 46:45
  Speaker 4: figure on how much land in the United States there
• 46:49
  Speaker 4: is that is national forest, just national not state parks.
• 46:55
  Speaker 2: I think it's like maybe.
• 46:59
  Speaker 1: Eighty seven or eighty eight million acres.
• 47:03
  Speaker 2: That's pretty big.
• 47:04
  Speaker 4: That's enough to Yeah, you can hide you could hide
• 47:07
  Speaker 4: most countries inside what we've got.
• 47:09
  Speaker 1: That's just national forest. It's unbroken green that you can't
• 47:12
  Speaker 1: do anything with. That's yeah. That's mostly in the West. Though,
• 47:15
  Speaker 1: that's mostly in.
• 47:16
  Speaker 4: The West though, right, No, that goes across the Mark Twain, yes,
• 47:20
  Speaker 4: which goes across the entire United States.
• 47:24
  Speaker 2: Now Mark Mark Twain is in Missouri.
• 47:26
  Speaker 4: Yeah, runs, but it runs across It pretty much runs
• 47:29
  Speaker 4: across the country.
• 47:30
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 47:31
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so you're saying there's a lot of places for
• 47:33
  Speaker 2: these things that be to be, not hide, but to be.
• 47:36
  Speaker 4: Yeah, and the number I just told you, that's just
• 47:39
  Speaker 4: that's just national forest, you know, National forest.
• 47:43
  Speaker 1: That's it.
• 47:44
  Speaker 4: You start adding in Bureau of Land Management, you start
• 47:46
  Speaker 4: adding in national parks, you start adding in uh, military
• 47:50
  Speaker 4: land management. Well most military bases if you look at
• 47:53
  Speaker 4: look at the most military bases, but up to national parks.
• 47:57
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you should hear all the I'm sure you have
• 47:59
  Speaker 2: all the you know, a fort hood, especially what's the
• 48:02
  Speaker 2: one in the Fort Lewis, Washington, the county, The encounters
• 48:07
  Speaker 2: that come out of that place, Fort Carson, Colorado, it's incredible.
• 48:11
  Speaker 1: People just don't realize that. And you got Fort Leonard
• 48:13
  Speaker 1: Wood in Missouri. The camp was June.
• 48:17
  Speaker 4: The Marine Corps base up North Carolina, just not far
• 48:19
  Speaker 4: from me, has got all kinds of stories that a
• 48:22
  Speaker 4: lot of dog men encounters from up there.
• 48:24
  Speaker 1: But I was.
• 48:26
  Speaker 2: Stationed on, uh what was Fort Fort Riley in Kansas.
• 48:31
  Speaker 1: It's pretty big place to.
• 48:32
  Speaker 2: The impact area, that impact zone, it's so big, you
• 48:37
  Speaker 2: know where they fire in all the mortar rounds and stuff.
• 48:39
  Speaker 2: You go up through there, you can hide stuff in
• 48:41
  Speaker 2: there too. It's it's huge.
• 48:42
  Speaker 4: Well, I've been down the Calin National Forest in Florida
• 48:47
  Speaker 4: and that they got that uh bombing range down there
• 48:53
  Speaker 4: and all that's national for too. I've had some encounters
• 48:57
  Speaker 4: down there too. But when you start adding in all
• 49:00
  Speaker 4: this other stuff is like I said, it's eighty eight
• 49:02
  Speaker 4: million acres when you add just national forest. When you
• 49:05
  Speaker 4: start adding in all that other stuff, you get up
• 49:08
  Speaker 4: to over a billion acres of unbroken, untouched land. Now
• 49:16
  Speaker 4: what could hide in a billion acres? What could hide
• 49:19
  Speaker 4: Maybe eighty eight million acres? You could, like I said,
• 49:22
  Speaker 4: you could literally put some countries inside.
• 49:26
  Speaker 1: I mean there's countries in the world that will fit
• 49:28
  Speaker 1: inside Texas, Oh easy.
• 49:30
  Speaker 2: I mean the Vatican City is one that's the smallest
• 49:32
  Speaker 2: one of.
• 49:32
  Speaker 1: The world, and and Texas would fit inside comfortably inside.
• 49:41
  Speaker 1: What you know, what's we can't? And you know, Teddy
• 49:45
  Speaker 1: Roosevelt is the one that started the National Park.
• 49:47
  Speaker 4: Service, right, nobody has ever that. That's another little conspiracy theory.
• 49:53
  Speaker 4: Probably ain't got time to get into that. But you know, yeah,
• 49:57
  Speaker 4: why he did that, Well, we got our we got
• 50:00
  Speaker 4: our own reason, our own beliefs about that.
• 50:02
  Speaker 1: And the Bauman incident that he wrote about in The
• 50:05
  Speaker 1: Wilderness Hunter. Uh short, sweet version of it.
• 50:09
  Speaker 4: We believe Teddy or Teddy Roosevelt was Bowman. This was
• 50:12
  Speaker 4: what he was Bowman. What's that you know about his
• 50:18
  Speaker 4: book The Wilderness Hunter?
• 50:19
  Speaker 2: Right, No, I don't. I'm not a big reader. Artist
• 50:23
  Speaker 2: and painter and musician.
• 50:24
  Speaker 4: Teddy wrote a book called The Wilderness Hunter, and most
• 50:28
  Speaker 4: of it was about, you know, just encounters and things
• 50:33
  Speaker 4: that he had seen and all this stuff. Well, there's
• 50:34
  Speaker 4: one instant in a book called The Bauman Instant. He
• 50:40
  Speaker 4: says that this guy named Balman and his partner we're trapping.
• 50:44
  Speaker 4: And I can't remember exactly what part of the country
• 50:47
  Speaker 4: it was. It was somewhere in the Midwest. We're trapping
• 50:51
  Speaker 4: and his partner got it or they got attacked, and
• 50:54
  Speaker 4: his partner ended up getting killed by a big foot
• 50:56
  Speaker 4: type preacher. Now, this was a very vivid retelling of everything.
• 51:04
  Speaker 4: I mean, I'm talking like you know, just very detail,
• 51:07
  Speaker 4: very detail, very descriptive. I've been a cop, like I said,
• 51:10
  Speaker 4: for you know, close to twenty nine years. I've never
• 51:14
  Speaker 4: been able to get you ask somebody what happened. Yeah,
• 51:17
  Speaker 4: he came down over here and he hit me, come on,
• 51:20
  Speaker 4: give me a little bit more description. People don't usually
• 51:23
  Speaker 4: give that descriptive of an account, so you have to
• 51:25
  Speaker 4: like pull it out of people.
• 51:27
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so it was kind of burned into his mind.
• 51:30
  Speaker 4: Keep in mind, keep in mind that Teddy was Teddy
• 51:33
  Speaker 4: was running for president at the time that he was
• 51:36
  Speaker 4: writing this book, or at the time the book was
• 51:38
  Speaker 4: about to come out. Okay, So Teddy was also where
• 51:44
  Speaker 4: he went to college. He was also on the sculling crew.
• 51:46
  Speaker 4: You know the little skinny boats that they.
• 51:49
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yah yah, yes, uh huh. Well, take a while,
• 51:52
  Speaker 1: guess what Teddy's position was.
• 51:54
  Speaker 2: I'd imagine he's the one in the front with the
• 51:56
  Speaker 2: He was about, what's what's a bouman.
• 51:59
  Speaker 1: I don't know exactly which position. I don't know if that's.
• 52:05
  Speaker 4: His his position, that's what I'm saying. But his position
• 52:08
  Speaker 4: was called bowman. Okay, that was his position. Coincidence that
• 52:15
  Speaker 4: the bowman instant he was a bowman. Now in the
• 52:21
  Speaker 4: time that that book came out, he won won the presidency.
• 52:25
  Speaker 4: Nobody ever come forward and said, hey, that's me. I'm
• 52:29
  Speaker 4: I'm I'm the one that the president wrote about. He's
• 52:33
  Speaker 4: never never said anything other than the last name, never
• 52:36
  Speaker 4: gave a first name, which, okay, can say, well, maybe
• 52:38
  Speaker 4: the guy war an anonymity. Okay, great, but at some
• 52:42
  Speaker 4: point somebody got come up, you know, after the guy died,
• 52:45
  Speaker 4: somebody from the family would come from a that was
• 52:48
  Speaker 4: my grandpa, that was you know, my great grandpa. Nobody's
• 52:52
  Speaker 4: nobody's ever come forward. I I along with d A.
• 52:55
  Speaker 4: Doc and Steve and a lot of others. Because there's
• 52:58
  Speaker 4: a lot of other chat We started doing shows about
• 53:01
  Speaker 4: this three years ago.
• 53:03
  Speaker 1: Now you got channels like the Lower Lodge.
• 53:05
  Speaker 4: Or that are picking up and doing it that are
• 53:09
  Speaker 4: only like six months ago when they started doing it.
• 53:11
  Speaker 4: So our theory is kind of catching wind. Okay, so
• 53:16
  Speaker 4: we just we believe Teddy was Bowman. You know, if
• 53:19
  Speaker 4: you were if you were Roosevelt's campaign manager and he
• 53:24
  Speaker 4: was writing this book, Yeah, you don't need to say
• 53:31
  Speaker 4: that you saw a bigfoot creature and your your partner
• 53:34
  Speaker 4: got killed by this bigfoot creature while you're trying to
• 53:36
  Speaker 4: run for the president. Okay, we'll fix that. The balman incidant, right, right,
• 53:42
  Speaker 4: So he's using like this. You know, one of his
• 53:45
  Speaker 4: first acts once he gets the president is to do
• 53:48
  Speaker 4: what set aside to all these millions and millions of
• 53:53
  Speaker 4: acres the national forest that you can ever do anything with. Well,
• 53:57
  Speaker 4: what's usually one thing that Well, one president goes out,
• 54:01
  Speaker 4: another president comes in, especially if they don't lock each
• 54:04
  Speaker 4: other or things like that.
• 54:05
  Speaker 2: Oh, they changed their policies, of course.
• 54:07
  Speaker 4: Yeah, nobody since Teddy put that in. Nobody has ever
• 54:11
  Speaker 4: ever tried to use that. Oh we got hey, we
• 54:14
  Speaker 4: can sell this to the timber company.
• 54:16
  Speaker 1: We can make yeah, yeah, billions dollars off this. Nobody's
• 54:21
  Speaker 1: ever done that.
• 54:22
  Speaker 2: Why, that's interesting. So what does he That's kind of
• 54:25
  Speaker 2: like the old Eyes and the Eisenhower when you want
• 54:27
  Speaker 2: to uh, when he want to uh when he went
• 54:30
  Speaker 2: down to the South Pole down there what the Antarctica
• 54:33
  Speaker 2: and was fifty eight, and then he came out in
• 54:37
  Speaker 2: nineteen came out in nineteen sixty and he was talking
• 54:40
  Speaker 2: about we need to watch the undermining of our of
• 54:43
  Speaker 2: our of our democratic processes through the military industrial complex.
• 54:49
  Speaker 2: And then then Kennedy comes to office and gets off.
• 54:52
  Speaker 1: It's there's a lot of stuff.
• 54:54
  Speaker 2: I love that kind of stuff. Man, that's mine.
• 54:55
  Speaker 1: I can do.
• 54:57
  Speaker 2: I just can't talk about it on YouTube because we
• 54:59
  Speaker 2: are such a free country. We talked about China, and
• 55:02
  Speaker 2: we can't say things like that.
• 55:04
  Speaker 4: This this show is for entertainment purposes only.
• 55:08
  Speaker 2: We do not we do not recommend, we can either
• 55:10
  Speaker 2: confirm or deny any of these things that are being
• 55:12
  Speaker 2: said by either Jed or myself without express written commit
• 55:18
  Speaker 2: consent from Theodore Roosevelt himself, and he is somewhere on
• 55:21
  Speaker 2: a family plot at a match.
• 55:24
  Speaker 4: I mean, there's yeah, we've done We've done multiple shows
• 55:31
  Speaker 4: on the Antarctica thing. We did something we you know,
• 55:34
  Speaker 4: we kind of linked up Antarctica and uh Atlantis and it's.
• 55:40
  Speaker 1: You started to get into stuff, like you said, it's interesting.
• 55:43
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it kind of made me believe in God.
• 55:46
  Speaker 1: Man.
• 55:46
  Speaker 2: I used to be an atheist for a really long time, bro,
• 55:48
  Speaker 2: you know. And then you know, like you just seen
• 55:50
  Speaker 2: when you start like looking into things, like you know, first,
• 55:52
  Speaker 2: I was like nine eleven. I was in the Army
• 55:54
  Speaker 2: at the time. I was in UH. I was in
• 55:56
  Speaker 2: the NTC in California, and we were in our tents,
• 56:00
  Speaker 2: you know, getting ready to go out into the field
• 56:01
  Speaker 2: and do our exercise, and they were like, hey.
• 56:02
  Speaker 1: Everyone get out here. Boom.
• 56:04
  Speaker 2: And you start watching it and you start seeing things
• 56:06
  Speaker 2: and Okay, wait a minute, there's a passport. It fell
• 56:09
  Speaker 2: out of nowhere and everyone incinerated. They brought the buildings
• 56:13
  Speaker 2: down and turned them into a fine dust, which people
• 56:16
  Speaker 2: are still you know, dying from to this day. Wait
• 56:22
  Speaker 2: a minute, and then you realize, okay, so with time,
• 56:26
  Speaker 2: you're like, this can't be just money and power. They
• 56:29
  Speaker 2: have more money they have spending any lifetime of anybody,
• 56:31
  Speaker 2: through generations and generations. It must be something more, you know, nefarious.
• 56:37
  Speaker 2: It's got to be something more nefarious. So then you
• 56:39
  Speaker 2: start to come to the concept of true evil. So
• 56:41
  Speaker 2: true evil it must exist. And if you know anything
• 56:44
  Speaker 2: about Eastern mysticism, then the balance of the dark has
• 56:47
  Speaker 2: to have a light side, so it must be true good.
• 56:49
  Speaker 2: And that's where that came to me, you know what
• 56:51
  Speaker 2: I mean. Everyone has their own path thrown. That was mine,
• 56:54
  Speaker 2: you know what I mean. And then holding my daughter
• 56:56
  Speaker 2: my hand, that also took the scales heavily.
• 57:00
  Speaker 1: How you get there? As long as you get there.
• 57:01
  Speaker 1: I got there. I got there.
• 57:03
  Speaker 2: I'm not quite what you think I am. I am not
• 57:04
  Speaker 2: a Christian would per se, but I'm definitely a man
• 57:06
  Speaker 2: of God, you know what I mean.
• 57:08
  Speaker 4: Hey, here's the thing. You know, it's all about your
• 57:14
  Speaker 4: spiritual walt with Lord. It's not about what. It's not
• 57:18
  Speaker 4: about what I say is right for you. It's what
• 57:21
  Speaker 4: you know that He's told you is right for you
• 57:24
  Speaker 4: and him. That's what matters.
• 57:26
  Speaker 2: It's everyone. I think everyone perceives it in their own way.
• 57:30
  Speaker 2: And you know, everyone puts their pants on on the end,
• 57:34
  Speaker 2: so we're all people. That's good. That's a good thing.
• 57:37
  Speaker 2: Life doesn't happen to you, it happens for you. Things
• 57:40
  Speaker 2: like that. I enjoy those kind of concepts, you know,
• 57:43
  Speaker 2: the the trinity with the you know, I don't know
• 57:47
  Speaker 2: if you're Catholic or whatever, but that's what my girlfriend is.
• 57:49
  Speaker 2: So you have like the mind, body, and spirit. The
• 57:51
  Speaker 2: mind is the thought, the body is than Christ, and
• 57:54
  Speaker 2: then the spirit is the breath. So you have the
• 57:56
  Speaker 2: thought you need the body to say the word, and
• 57:58
  Speaker 2: the breath coming out as the spirit all the other
• 58:00
  Speaker 2: you get the message. Things like that makes me go, oh,
• 58:03
  Speaker 2: that's I love that kind of concept. You know. It's
• 58:06
  Speaker 2: just there's things that I have, deep seated concepts and
• 58:09
  Speaker 2: ideas that just make me go, you know, that's not
• 58:12
  Speaker 2: quite what I have experienced personally, you know, my own
• 58:18
  Speaker 2: personal revelation within me. But I do know this is
• 58:21
  Speaker 2: this is an interesting fact. I do know that invoking
• 58:26
  Speaker 2: the name in the time of crisis, especially when one
• 58:28
  Speaker 2: of these things are bearing down on you, you know, and
• 58:31
  Speaker 2: you feel it like you're being bluff charged, or you know,
• 58:34
  Speaker 2: you know, even Martin's you know, if you go through
• 58:35
  Speaker 2: Martin's thing, if you you say that name, things will
• 58:39
  Speaker 2: happen in your favor. So that's that's that's that's pretty
• 58:42
  Speaker 2: good evidence right there.
• 58:43
  Speaker 4: If you've ever heard Greg House tell any histories that
• 58:46
  Speaker 4: that's exactly what happened to him.
• 58:47
  Speaker 1: He thought he was gonna get killed.
• 58:49
  Speaker 2: Greg House, give me in contact with him. I don't
• 58:52
  Speaker 2: know who Greg House is.
• 58:53
  Speaker 1: He's one of the woodwalkers.
• 58:55
  Speaker 2: One of the.
• 58:55
  Speaker 1: Woodwalkers, all right, I mean I've heard of them, Greg House.
• 58:58
  Speaker 1: H O U S E yeah h O W s
• 59:01
  Speaker 1: E W s Okay, I'll contact if you want some
• 59:07
  Speaker 1: good some good Bigfoot stories and he's got them.
• 59:11
  Speaker 2: All right now. I'm just I'm just I just want
• 59:13
  Speaker 2: to delve into these topics and anyway, and they seem
• 59:16
  Speaker 2: to want to contact the people that they want to contact.
• 59:20
  Speaker 2: I mean, you can be a hunter in the in
• 59:22
  Speaker 2: your whole life, fifty years in the woods every year,
• 59:24
  Speaker 2: go out to bow season, black powder, whatever it is
• 59:26
  Speaker 2: that you do. You get your deer every year and
• 59:28
  Speaker 2: they'll never see a high or hair of any of
• 59:30
  Speaker 2: these things. And then it'd be one person who just
• 59:32
  Speaker 2: stumbles in the woods one day while he's going to
• 59:34
  Speaker 2: go pee or whatever, or taking this dog for a
• 59:36
  Speaker 2: walk on some trail, and the thing will just show
• 59:39
  Speaker 2: up in front of him and talk to him, you know,
• 59:40
  Speaker 2: with his mind. It's it's incredible.
• 59:43
  Speaker 4: That's what I like, and I agree with that. But
• 59:45
  Speaker 4: if you think about it from the hunters, because you know,
• 59:47
  Speaker 4: you have a lot of hundreds. I've been hunting for
• 59:49
  Speaker 4: all my life, I ain't never seen them. Okay, what
• 59:51
  Speaker 4: do most hunters do?
• 59:53
  Speaker 1: They get one good spot and that's where they go
• 59:56
  Speaker 1: all the time.
• 59:57
  Speaker 4: Right, Okay, you may maybe you lose that spot that
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 4: you find another spot. Hunters are not walking around trapsing
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 4: through the entire you know, they're not. They're not traping
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 4: through a fifty square mile area and then going through
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 4: another fifty.
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 1: They're finding a place. They're sitting there, staying.
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 2: Even if they're going to drive, like say, for example,
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 2: we get a couple guys together and you, hey, we're
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 2: gonna do a drive on my friend's property. It's so
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 2: many people in the woods.
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 1: You know, you're you're, but it's still you're you're in
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 1: a very local a true.
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 4: So with that logic and that reasoning, that's like taking
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 4: a tea spoon and going down to the edge of
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 4: the ocean and picking it up and saying, well, there
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 4: ain't no sharks in that, so there must not be
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 4: any sharks in the ocean right back then, and saying
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 4: just because you go to that one spot all the
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 4: time that they know you're at, and.
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 1: Yeah, probably actively try to avoid.
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 4: How can you say, well, there's no such thing, because
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 4: I've never seen them right here on this spot, right,
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 4: I've never seen it. I've never seen a Bengal tiger
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 4: walk in my back yard either. That mean they're not
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 4: a lot not real.
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 1: Well, yeah, and well for you they don't. For you,
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 1: they don't exist.
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 4: If I have that, If I have that mentality, then
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 4: you ride they don't. That's that. That's the same bomb mentality.
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 1: Oh I don't see them right in front of I mean,
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 1: so they must not exist.
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 4: And that's the Billy aate perfect example of that Billy
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 4: eate was the Billy eight was found in the Billy
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 4: region of the Congo, Okay and it was discovered in
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 4: ninety eight.
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 4: Yeah, it's a six foot upright champ that uses tools,
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 4: kills lines, has snatched women and children out of villages.
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 1: What does that sound like? Hmmm?
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 4: Does that sound like some sasquat stories we've heard planypus.
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 1: But of course us smart Western people. Oh no, no, no, no, no.
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 4: You're the that's just stupid, crazy uh stories, these uneducated
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 4: illagers are saying until the National Geographic Film Crew called
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 4: them on video.
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, then you have the ones in what Vietnam,
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 2: the rock Ape, you have the yahwe in Australia. There's
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 2: just so many things in.
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 4: China, and are the years and uh.
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 1: Russia, Russia, Yeah, Siberia.
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 4: Yeah, you got to Masti, the Almas, you got the
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 4: Irang Pendak, you got I mean, why did every first
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 4: nation tribe have a name for for these things?
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 1: Every first nation tribe.
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 4: And this goes back to you know, every major continent
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 4: or every major civilization on every continent has a story
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 4: about something like this about and I say, I say
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 4: werewolves because you know, the term dog man wasn't invented
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 4: to the late nineties or early nineties, late eighties by
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 4: that uh DJ in Michigan, because he was talking about
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 4: the Michigan dog man. The same with bigfoot. Bigfoot was
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 4: term or not a recognized term until fifty forty seven
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 4: to fifty somewhere or between forty seven and fifty whenever.
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 1: And it was in the Bluff Creek area.
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 4: Something been throwing the fuel drums down and harassing this
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 4: logging camp. Reporter goes up there and takes pictures of
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 4: the the bigfoot, says, bigfoot.
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 1: Terrorizes logging camp, and the term stuck right.
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 4: It's it's like calling every tissue a kleenex, calling every
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 4: soft drink of coke?
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 2: Yeah, is that a Southern thing? Is that a Southern thing?
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 2: You guys don't call it coke?
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 1: No, I don't, but we call it by his name.
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 4: Yeah, but we may all call it coke down here,
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 4: but most of the time when you get up north.
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 1: It's they call it al soda. Yeah, it's the same thing.
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 4: It's just you use a generalized term for something that's
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 4: before that, everybody had a name.
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 1: Go back into the seventeen and eighteen hundreds.
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 4: And look at all the wild Man, hey Man, wild
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 4: Man of Borneo, all the all these things were around.
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 1: They were just called by different names.
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, the monster for a monster, which is where
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 2: I'm from? Or was it the New Jersey Devil.
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 1: There's there's so many.
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 2: That's a very famous one.
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Did you realize there's over a million acres? And
• 1:04:23
  Speaker 1: the pine bears, they're unbelievable. I had a gentleman on
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 1: swamp Dog. I'm gonna have him on this Friday. His wife.
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 2: He's seen one the size of a grizzly bear out there.
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 2: He didn't know what the hell it was. He wanted
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 2: he didn't even want to go out there. Daryldentton went
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 2: with him. He goes and then Daryl like okay, and
• 1:04:38
  Speaker 2: then Daryl went by himself. Daryl had to go back Tennessee.
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 2: He goes out there. He goes out with his wife.
• 1:04:44
  Speaker 2: One night. She goes out to relieve herself on the
• 1:04:46
  Speaker 2: side of the truck. Damn thing grabs her. He jumps
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  Speaker 2: out the shark with a forty five. This thing is
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  Speaker 2: dragging her down the road, hits it, shoots it four
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  Speaker 2: times with a forty four. No blood barely just lets go.
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  Speaker 2: It didn't even affect it. We're talking to dog man,
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  Speaker 2: this was it blew my hair, but the little hair
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  Speaker 2: I have back left, blew it back.
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  Speaker 1: Man.
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  Speaker 2: They're everywhere, and I just I don't know if it's
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  Speaker 2: that it's being more reported now because of you know,
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  Speaker 2: you know, shows like this yourself or or others, or
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  Speaker 2: they're just becoming more because of the state the world
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  Speaker 2: is in that maybe, you.
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  Speaker 4: Know, when you have things like the Black Plague of
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  Speaker 4: the twenty first century, where we were all told we
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  Speaker 4: had to stay inside for two years and then all
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  Speaker 4: of a sudden, you know you've seen those shows. How
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  Speaker 4: long does it take for nature to take back over
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  Speaker 4: places that we're not in? Oh?
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  Speaker 1: Oh, not long at all.
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  Speaker 4: Most, No, we don't even take that long, okay. And
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  Speaker 4: I'm not talking about just something getting grown over. I'm
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  Speaker 4: just talking about if we're not you know, if we're
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  Speaker 4: not going outside, we're not going in all these camping
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  Speaker 4: areas and these places like that.
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  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, like Detroit where the deer start coming
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  Speaker 2: back into the city.
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  Speaker 4: For its take animals long back into that area. You know,
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  Speaker 4: I know this is probably gonna hurt some some guys.
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  Speaker 1: Feelings.
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  Speaker 4: But we don't have people like Davy Crockett and Teddy
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  Speaker 4: Roosevelt and Daniel Boone.
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  Speaker 1: We don't have people like that anymore. We don't have
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  Speaker 1: people that can go.
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  Speaker 4: Like in the pioneer days, that can go push things
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  Speaker 4: like that back into the into the wilds.
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  Speaker 1: Like we don't. We got soft exactly. You know, that's
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  Speaker 1: what happens when you make copies of copies of copies.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, copies of the limitation to quote Marilyn Manson.
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  Speaker 1: You know, we just we don't have that anymore. And
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  Speaker 1: you know, so when we've been we were.
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  Speaker 4: Out of the woods now, you know, not outside for
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 4: two years because we were told we couldn't go anywhere,
• 1:06:44
  Speaker 4: you know, and these things start moving back in and
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  Speaker 4: then all of a sudden we're back out there again.
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  Speaker 2: That's you know, Oh, that's an interesting theory, dude, that
• 1:06:51
  Speaker 2: they're just kind of just like the two worlds collide
• 1:06:53
  Speaker 2: at one time again. I mean, they're they're everwhere, man, mean,
• 1:06:56
  Speaker 2: I got dudes in eastern eastern eastern Tennessee, not that
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  Speaker 2: far from you. They're just I mean, every everybody's seeing
• 1:07:03
  Speaker 2: you're not even that far from the Cherokee Nation, are you.
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 4: No, No, I could be up to Cherokee. Look you're
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 4: on and probably thirty forty five minutes.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, you're right there close to the border. Then all right,
• 1:07:16
  Speaker 2: I got what you're at. Hey, man, I really appreciate
• 1:07:18
  Speaker 2: you coming on talk with him. It's been nice meeting you.
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 2: That's it's been an interesting conversation. And I really enjoyed
• 1:07:23
  Speaker 2: uh our banter, that's I enjoyed that a lot A
• 1:07:26
  Speaker 2: lot of people they want the crispiest of craziest stories.
• 1:07:30
  Speaker 1: All the time.
• 1:07:31
  Speaker 2: But for me, it's all about meeting people and just
• 1:07:33
  Speaker 2: kind of like I enjoy Americana. You uh, you kind
• 1:07:36
  Speaker 2: of represent that for me. I enjoy that, you know,
• 1:07:39
  Speaker 2: the way the way I like people to like. If
• 1:07:42
  Speaker 2: I want to show somebody an American, I would say, hey,
• 1:07:44
  Speaker 2: you look at Robbie. That's that's that's an American dude.
• 1:07:47
  Speaker 2: That's what they look like. You know what I mean?
• 1:07:49
  Speaker 2: A law man, you know what I'm saying, A good
• 1:07:51
  Speaker 2: old country boy and get your hat on.
• 1:07:52
  Speaker 1: Shit. I like that stuff, and uh, it's been a pleasure. Man.
• 1:07:55
  Speaker 2: Tell me one more time the name of your shows
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  Speaker 2: where people can find you and that way you can
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  Speaker 2: come check Counters.
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  Speaker 4: You can find us on YouTube every Monday, Wednesday and Saturday.
• 1:08:05
  Speaker 4: It's the Nightmare Hunter Podcast. Myself, Da Roberts are both
• 1:08:10
  Speaker 4: published authors. We've got Carrie Pocket Dot Davis, who is
• 1:08:14
  Speaker 4: the owner of Dark Angel Medical is one of our
• 1:08:17
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• 1:08:23
  Speaker 4: remember still think of us as d A X Makina,
• 1:08:26
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  Speaker 4: excuse me, not the Nightmare Hunter series. I'm looking at
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  Speaker 4: my tag the shadow Walkers series. The first is Silver Star,
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  Speaker 4: The Creature Skateboard, Swamp and the third one that just
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  Speaker 4: which is gonna be a kind of a prequel to
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  Speaker 4: the other three. Is gonna be set in eighteenth century
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  Speaker 4: he's got thirty thirty six ish books out, so we're
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  Speaker 2: I'm looking forward to that. Man, it sounds good. Man.
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