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Sharri | 16 June · Sharri

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Speaker 1: Why our Sky News, this is Sharry Good Evening.
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Speaker 2: I'm Calim Marcus filling intelligence chiefs aren't buying it. I'll
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Speaker 2: breakdown why. There are concerns from even Trump's closest allies
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Speaker 2: over what's increasingly looking like a dodgy deal. The ABC
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Speaker 2: and SBS are being called before the Anti Semitism Royal Commission,
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Speaker 2: and the public broadcasters have serious questions to answer. Alex
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Speaker 2: Rifchen joins me live and an Israeli flag stolen from
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Speaker 2: a family home in western Sydney in the weeks.
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Speaker 1: After the Bonnie attack.
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Speaker 2: And you won't believe what the Palestinian thief told the
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Speaker 2: court ahead of his appeal today, and we've got the CCTV.
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Speaker 2: But first to light, concerns continue to mount over President
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Speaker 2: Trump's peace deal with Iran, as even the US's own
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Speaker 2: intelligence agency casts doubts the regime would be willing to
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Speaker 2: meet demands to dismantle its nuclear program. Donald Trump was
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Speaker 2: busy spooking his deal at the G seven in France,
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Speaker 2: where he claimed it had already been signed.
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Speaker 3: I'm very happy to see signed the deals also, and
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Speaker 3: the main thing is that Aaran will not have a
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Speaker 3: nuclear weapons. They fully agree to that with strong policeing bearers,
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Speaker 3: and they won't have a nuclear weapon, which is what
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Speaker 3: it was all about, because that probably would he used
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Speaker 3: it if they had it.
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Speaker 2: Well, first, let's be clear, whatever's been signed is just
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Speaker 2: a precursor to a deal, which itself would be a
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Speaker 2: precursor to any final deal based on Iran meeting its obligations.
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Speaker 2: But Trump's own head of intelligence and some of his
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Speaker 2: closest allies have reportedly been trying to warn him Tehran
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Speaker 2: will never meet those obligations because it won't be willing
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Speaker 2: to dismantle its nuclear program. Axios reports, CIA director John
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Speaker 2: Ratcliffe raised these concerns with Trump in high level meetings
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Speaker 2: before the deal was announced on Sunday, Trump and his
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Speaker 2: team discussed intelligence gathered by several US intelligence agencies which
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Speaker 2: showed that the way Iranian officials were discussing the deal
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Speaker 2: among themselves was inconsistent with what they were telling the
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Speaker 2: mediators and the US. The article says, Secretary of State
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Speaker 2: Marco Rubio, who's widely tipped to be the next Republican
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Speaker 2: successor to Donald Trump, and Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth also
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Speaker 2: reportedly expressed concerns during these meetings, they doubted the Iranians
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Speaker 2: would agree to take the nuclear steps the US was seeking,
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Speaker 2: according to the report, And it's not just how Iranian
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Speaker 2: officials are discussing this deal privately that is inconsistent, as
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Speaker 2: the israel Foreign Special Envoy told this showed last night,
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Speaker 2: Iranian state media has been telling its own people a
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Speaker 2: completely different story about this deal.
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Speaker 4: The Iranians are saying we can keep the right to
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Speaker 4: enrich uranium, and the Americans are saying they have given
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Speaker 4: their right to nuclear power. They've given the right to
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Speaker 4: any type of military nuclear So that's where you could say,
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Speaker 4: in diplomacy, there's something called constructive ambiguity, where every side
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Speaker 4: actually interprets things a different week.
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Speaker 2: As for Israel, meant to be the US's closest to
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Speaker 2: ally in the Middle East, the Wall Street Journal reports
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Speaker 2: Israeli officials are alarmed by Trump's deal with Iran and
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Speaker 2: their Prime Minister Benjamin Nana, who is urgently trying to
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Speaker 2: secure a meeting with him. Nanya, who was defiant while
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Speaker 2: addressing his own citizens, vowing he has no plans to
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Speaker 2: withdraw Israeli troops from Lebanon, where they've been protecting their
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Speaker 2: country from Iran's proxy Hesbilla.
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Speaker 5: We will stay there as long as necessary. Iran wanted
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Speaker 5: us to retreat from there. It didn't happen. Do you
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Speaker 5: know why it didn't happen? Among other things, because I
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Speaker 5: stood very firmly. I was very decisive about this thing,
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Speaker 5: and I think that our American friends respect this decisiveness
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Speaker 5: and firm standing. We are staying there because we need
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Speaker 5: to protect the residents of the North.
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Speaker 2: Well, it's debatable whether or not their American friends respected
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Speaker 2: it because Nanna.
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Speaker 1: Who was also forced to respond to Trump's.
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Speaker 2: Comments, calling him a very difficult guy and that he
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Speaker 2: had no effing judgment for retaliating against Hesbellah while the
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Speaker 2: peace deal was being negotiated.
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Speaker 5: President Trump and I have known each other for many years.
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Speaker 5: Here's the President of the United States, and I am
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Speaker 5: the Prime Minister of Israel. We often see idoway, and
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Speaker 5: there are also cases where we see less idleway. I
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Speaker 5: am responsible for the interests of Israel's security forces.
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Speaker 2: Meanwhile, in the US, there is also criticism from within
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Speaker 2: the magabase about this deal, even though that's where so
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Speaker 2: much of the pressure for Trump to end the war
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Speaker 2: had come from. Here's former Republican Congresswoman and vocal Trump
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Speaker 2: critic Marjorie Taylor Green.
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Speaker 6: There is an agreement that there will be three hundred
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Speaker 6: billion dollars be given to Iran for reconstruction and investments
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Speaker 6: for Iran. Now, I'm assuming this comes from the American taxpayer,
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Speaker 6: and I want to tell you that's a bunch of.
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Speaker 4: Now.
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Speaker 2: Trump has dismissed these reports, taking to his truth social
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Speaker 2: platform to call reports of the US paying a run
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Speaker 2: three hundred million dollars, let alone three hundred billion.
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Speaker 1: Fake news.
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Speaker 2: But his vice president JD Vance told CBS there will
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Speaker 2: be a reconstruction fund.
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Speaker 1: Though it won't be paid for by the US.
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Speaker 7: The Iranians are saying that they're going to have access
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Speaker 7: to a three hundred billion dollar reconstruction fund two or false.
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Speaker 8: Well, that's the sort of thing they could have access
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Speaker 8: to funded by the Gulf Coast Coalition.
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Speaker 1: So long as they honor their into the obligation.
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Speaker 2: Meanwhile, Iranians, hoping for regime collapse are feeling betrayed. This
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Speaker 2: war was also meant to help them.
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Speaker 1: After all, the.
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Speaker 2: Regime had brutally executed tens of thousands of its own people.
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Speaker 2: What will be different for them now? Now of course
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Speaker 2: I'm rooting for this deal to work. Any serious person
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Speaker 2: wants to see a Run stop from ever getting close
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Speaker 2: to having a nuclear weapon. They want to see a
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Speaker 2: Run stopped from continuing to fund and train its evil
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Speaker 2: proxies in Hamas, Hezbala.
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Speaker 1: And the Hooties.
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Speaker 2: And we all want to see peace in the region,
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Speaker 2: the Strait of Hormus fully reopened, and of course fuel
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Speaker 2: prices to come down. That goes without saying, but trusting
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Speaker 2: the Iranian regime, well, I'm afraid that's a recipe for disaster.
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Speaker 1: Just ask Barack Obama.
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Speaker 2: Now to what appears to be a hit piece that
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Speaker 2: ran in The Guardian today attempting to portray one nation
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Speaker 2: as Nazi adjacent, Senior correspondent Sarah Martin reporting a man
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Speaker 2: claiming to work in policy development in one of the
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Speaker 2: party's Brisbane branches.
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Speaker 1: John Drew had defended Hitler.
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Speaker 2: Youth and white nationalism, among many other blatantly racist posts
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Speaker 2: about Indigenous Australians and to other ethnicities, and indeed, a
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Speaker 2: cursory glance at Drew's Facebook page reveals a disturbing pattern
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Speaker 2: of defending Nazis. I found five posts in support of
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Speaker 2: high profile Australian neo Nazis last month alone, including these
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Speaker 2: about neo Nazi leader Thomas Sewell, who's been trying to
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Speaker 2: register a political party, saying John Drew's saying he was
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Speaker 2: one hundred percent behind him, and these glowing comments about
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Speaker 2: another neo Nazi, Jacob Persons, the first Australian jailed for
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Speaker 2: doing a Nazi salute, in which John Drew calls him
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Speaker 2: a fabulous young man. The Guardian also reports mister Drew
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Speaker 2: was a national coordinator for the Patriotic Youth League, which
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Speaker 2: was active in the early two thousands and had links
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Speaker 2: to a US neo Nazi organization.
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Speaker 1: All pretty sick stuff, right, But here's the catch.
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Speaker 2: A One Nation spokesman told us John Drew has never
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Speaker 2: been a One Nation party official in any capacity, nor
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Speaker 2: has he ever held a branch committee position.
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Speaker 1: So what's going on?
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Speaker 2: Did John Drew lie to The Guardian and, in its
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Speaker 2: eagerness to kick One Nation while it's enjoying a momentous
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Speaker 2: rise in popularity, run this hit piece on the party.
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Speaker 2: Because even if this seventy five year old is a
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Speaker 2: registered member of the party, no political party has the
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Speaker 2: capacity to vet every single person who joins up nor
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Speaker 2: trull through pages and pages of their social media posts.
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Speaker 1: However, one Nation does.
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Speaker 2: Have the capacity to expel members, and now that this
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Speaker 2: Nazi sympathizer has been exposed, they should. We've only just
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Speaker 2: marked the six month anniversary of the Bonnai attacks where
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Speaker 2: people were gone down for being Jewish.
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Speaker 1: What Nation leader Pauline Hanson has.
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Speaker 2: Stood strong with the Jewish community since the October seven
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Speaker 2: attacks in Israel and especially after Bondi. As I reported
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Speaker 2: back then, no other politician got such a massive reception
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Speaker 2: from warners as when Hanson visited the memorial with Barnaby
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Speaker 2: Joyce in the aftermath of the terror attack. Bondi highlighted,
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Speaker 2: we have a problem with anti Semitism stemming from radical Islam,
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Speaker 2: a really serious one. But anti Semitism on the hard
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Speaker 2: left and the far right has also been emboldened by
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Speaker 2: our leader's refusal to confront Islamism and what appears to
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Speaker 2: be an opportunistic play for votes in places like Western Sydney.
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Speaker 2: So Hansen cannot now afford to let Nazi apologists infiltrate
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Speaker 2: her party, not after all the work she's done to
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Speaker 2: distance herself from white nationalists and other extremists, not if
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Speaker 2: she wants to be taken seriously as prime minister, material,
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Speaker 2: which poll after poll shows is what voters want. Hanson
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Speaker 2: had to be dragged kicking and screaming to sack convicted
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Speaker 2: rapist Sean Black after it was revealed he'd been rehired
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Speaker 2: by One Nation after his jail term. She cannot drag
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Speaker 2: her feet again. It makes her too easy fodder for
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Speaker 2: the Major Parties coalition MP Garth Hamilton having this to
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Speaker 2: say on Sky News earlier today.
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Speaker 9: What's becoming clear is that One Nation has some people issues.
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Speaker 9: I'm not talking about people who vote for him, they're
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Speaker 9: good people. I'm to have the people behind the scenes.
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Speaker 9: We've had a convicted rapist running the party at one point.
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Speaker 9: Now we have a gentleman who's a hitler, youth apologist,
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Speaker 9: a Nazi apologist, still working in the party and I'm
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Speaker 9: told by my spies that he passed through their vetting
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Speaker 9: process again.
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Speaker 2: One Nation denies John Drew was working for them in
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Speaker 2: any capacity. But the optics aren't great for Pauline Hanson,
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Speaker 2: who is set to face some tough questions from a
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Speaker 2: still mostly hostile camber gallery when she gives her first
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Speaker 2: ever National Press Club speech tomorrow. I'll be his speaking
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Speaker 2: to Barnaby Joyce about this a little later in the
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Speaker 2: show and I'm hoping to get some more answers. Well,
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Speaker 2: let's go to our panel now, and joining me on
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Speaker 2: the desk is Guy and his host Caleb Bond and
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Speaker 2: The Daily Telegraph State political editor James O'Doherty. Welcome, gentlemen.
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Speaker 2: Good to have you both here now. Shadow Treasurer Tim
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Speaker 2: Wilson and Employment Minister Amanda Rishworth had a fiery clash
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Speaker 2: over Labour's broken tax promises on the Today Show this morning.
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Speaker 1: Take a look.
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Speaker 10: You've got small businesses who are waking up at Sparrow's
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Speaker 10: Fart to provide coffee man, to connect with people. And
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Speaker 10: the only answer that Amanda has is to shut up
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Speaker 10: and get back in your place.
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Speaker 11: You've argued for these changes also.
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Speaker 12: So these grow up.
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Speaker 11: Amanda.
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Speaker 1: That's not true.
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Speaker 10: That's absolutely not true.
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Speaker 1: You're telling country are screaming.
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Speaker 10: For help and you didn't give it to people at
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Speaker 10: the last election. You lied before the Australian people before
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Speaker 10: the last election.
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Speaker 1: Now got through the.
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Speaker 10: Australians get to have this. Amanda needs to get a breath. Lies,
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Speaker 10: I mean This is just a we need a reality
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Speaker 10: check on what's happened.
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Speaker 1: She needs to get a breath.
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Speaker 2: Elza Calem I think this really shows how Labor has
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Speaker 2: lost control of this tax debate. I mean, they have
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Speaker 2: nothing to say in defense when they're accused of having
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Speaker 2: lied to the Australian people before the election that they
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Speaker 2: wouldn't touch negative gearing or capital gains tax.
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Speaker 1: And what's this line?
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Speaker 7: You asked for it? And this is the same line
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Speaker 7: that the Prime Minister has been trying to run in
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Speaker 7: recent weeks now, and he started doing it at the
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Speaker 7: Sky News Economic Forum where he says to Andrew Clonel well,
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Speaker 7: you know the media was calling for tax reform for
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Speaker 7: years and you finally got your tax reform and then
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Speaker 7: you're upset about getting the textras.
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Speaker 1: Which media would that be the guarded Indeed.
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Speaker 7: Look plenty of media and he said, oh, you know
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Speaker 7: the Australian has written thirty two editorials or something calling
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Speaker 7: for textual We want a tax reform. We just didn't
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Speaker 7: think that we would get this load of garbage. It's
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Speaker 7: good to see some fire in the belly of Tim
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Speaker 7: Wilson and actually being combative and getting out there. I
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Speaker 7: think It shows two things. As you say, Labor has
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Speaker 7: lost control of the narrative on the budget. I think
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Speaker 7: they've been really surprised by how badly this has gone,
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Speaker 7: and that people didn't buy the intergenerational equity argument, certainly
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Speaker 7: not to the degree that they thought they would. I
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Speaker 7: think it also shows in Tim Wilson's response that the
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Speaker 7: coalition is also on the ropes a bit. They know
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Speaker 7: that they are in trouble with one nation and so
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Speaker 7: they have to start getting serious if they want to
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Speaker 7: well not slip any further in the polls. And that
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Speaker 7: is reflecting in the way they are now behaving, thank god,
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Speaker 7: and you see that in Tim Wilson.
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Speaker 2: Indeed, we need some fire, don't worry, especially when Pauline
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Speaker 2: Hanson is leading the polls. James, I know Jim Chalmers
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Speaker 2: today defended the short two day duration of the Senate
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Speaker 2: inquiry into these controversial tax changes, but surely this is
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Speaker 2: just a naked attempt to avoid reale to call scrutiny.
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Speaker 10: Well.
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Speaker 8: I think the thing is, Caroline, They've had they had
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Speaker 8: plenty of opportunity to make the case for these reforms
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Speaker 8: that they put in their budget after going to an election,
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Speaker 8: but they failed to do so.
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Speaker 1: And in fact you were one of the journalists that
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Speaker 1: really repressed them.
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Speaker 8: And that's why a man of Rishworth can't say or
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Speaker 8: Tim Wilson's right when he's saying to Amanda Richworth that
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Speaker 8: they didn't take this to the Australian people. They could
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Speaker 8: have made the case for this at the election, they
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Speaker 8: could have made the case since. But all the way
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Speaker 8: up until the budget, until the very last days of
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Speaker 8: the budget, they were not making the case for this
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Speaker 8: and denying that they were going to make any changes
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Speaker 8: and then denying that they lied about it.
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Speaker 2: And what did Albanezy say to you when you asked
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Speaker 2: him about it? Didn't he say I've been asked fifty
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Speaker 2: times about this.
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Speaker 1: Yes, it's right.
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Speaker 8: You would have seen the video. He was extremely bulshy
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Speaker 8: and that glass jaw was really on display when I
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Speaker 8: asked him up in Cairns. I think it was on
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Speaker 8: April ninth, so just about eleven months before or thirteen
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Speaker 8: months before the budget. I asked him, can you rule
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Speaker 8: out any changes to both negative gearing and capital gain
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Speaker 8: sex And he was so glass jaw that he said yes, yes,
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Speaker 8: fifth for fifty times. He said, for the fiftieth time,
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Speaker 8: I'm ruling it out. So it just goes to show
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Speaker 8: that they could have argued for this, but.
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Speaker 1: They did, and you were so right to press him
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Speaker 1: on that. It must be quite vindicating for you.
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Speaker 2: Now, look, Alban Izzy has now said he is considering
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Speaker 2: extending the twenty sixth Center Leader fuel excise cut beyond June,
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Speaker 2: even as Donald Trump announced the Straight of will moves
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Speaker 2: will fully reopen under He's a round peace deal, but economists.
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Speaker 1: A warning against ongoing spending.
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Speaker 2: Caleb, does this look like genuine relief if the fuel
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Speaker 2: exercise cut gets extended, or political panic after voters so
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Speaker 2: forcefully turned on labor after its budget.
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Speaker 7: Well, it's not really relief, is it, because it would
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Speaker 7: just mean that fuel prices would stay roughly where they
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Speaker 7: are now, So you're certainly not getting any further relief.
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Speaker 7: You could argue, maybe it is relief if the option
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Speaker 7: is that you've got to pay another twenty five cents
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Speaker 7: in the Leader on your fuel. But there are two
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Speaker 7: arguments here, and at the risk of having splinters in
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Speaker 7: my bum, I kind of understand both of them. One
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Speaker 7: is that we obviously have an inflation problem as it is,
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Speaker 7: and so it makes sense perhaps from an economic perspective,
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Speaker 7: to put the full tax back on in order to
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Speaker 7: try and reduce that inflation. A little bit wouldn't do
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Speaker 7: a lot, but it would do a little bit. But
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Speaker 7: there's also the argument which I buy, which is that,
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Speaker 7: you know, why should the government have any more tax anyway?
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Speaker 7: One of the large problems we have in terms of
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Speaker 7: inflation is that the government keeps spending money. If you
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Speaker 7: take away the opportunity for them to get the money
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Speaker 7: from you in tax in the first place, then they
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Speaker 7: don't have it to spend. It's in your pocket and
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Speaker 7: not in theirs, and the everyday person needs that money
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Speaker 7: right now.
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Speaker 3: Now.
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Speaker 7: Yes, that contributes to inflation, but it's very hard to
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Speaker 7: make the argument to mum and dad who are struggling
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Speaker 7: to put food on the table, that they don't deserve
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Speaker 7: to have maybe another twenty five or fifty bucks in
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Speaker 7: their pocket a week in order to support their families.
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Speaker 7: Why does Albu need that instead? Would it make a
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Speaker 7: political difference to him to keep it?
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Speaker 1: Probably not.
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Speaker 7: He's in enough trouble as it is at the moment.
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Speaker 7: Were he to bring back the full text, that would
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Speaker 7: probably cause.
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Speaker 1: Him more trouble.
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Speaker 2: Well, let's just hope feel prices come down quickly by
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Speaker 2: themselves and offer some relief to everyone. James, I want
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Speaker 2: to get to a story that you've written in the
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Speaker 2: Daily Telegraph today that Albinizi is facing a rank and
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Speaker 2: file labor revolt over UCAS, and you also revealed New
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Speaker 2: Southwes's Premier Christmins is being condemned by his own branches
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Speaker 2: over the police response to protests against Israeli President Isaac.
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Speaker 1: Hertzog's visit after the No Terror attack.
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Speaker 2: James, is Labour's left now openly undermining its own leaders
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Speaker 2: on national security.
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Speaker 8: The short answer is yes. This comes from a policy
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Speaker 8: book of motions that will be debated at Labour's state
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Speaker 8: conference coming up in about a month's time from now.
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Speaker 8: I've got the leaked book and a report. Did this
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Speaker 8: move from branches a lot of them in Sydney, some
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Speaker 8: further afield from the left attacking labor on orchest This
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Speaker 8: is not new, it happens, It's happened in previous conferences,
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Speaker 8: but it comes at a time when the Prime Ministers
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Speaker 8: also facing criticism from one of his own politicians, parliamentarians
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Speaker 8: in Ed Husick, who used a caucus meeting to question
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Speaker 8: the aucust deal. So this renewed focus on that deal
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Speaker 8: couldn't come at a worse time for the Prime minister.
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Speaker 8: As for the Premier, he's again facing a condemnation over
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Speaker 8: his tough on protest stance, specifically called out over those
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Speaker 8: protests you mentioned the Isaac Hertzog protests where police clashed
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Speaker 8: with protesters at town hall. So look, this will be
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Speaker 8: a debate where the left of the party gets up
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Speaker 8: and criticizes the right of the party in Chris Means. Ultimately,
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Speaker 8: Chris Mens will win the day and will find this
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Speaker 8: is the third time that the left is standing down
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Speaker 8: over this.
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Speaker 2: But it's always a mission and he's such a popular premier.
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Speaker 2: It's a shame because I thought he took the right stance.
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Speaker 2: Shame the Supreme Court overturned the laws that he tried
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Speaker 2: to introduce after the Bondli attack in terms of protests.
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Speaker 1: I want to get to this story now.
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Speaker 2: Huge news to break this afternoon that Carl Sandalans is
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Speaker 2: set to walk away from his messy federal court fight
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Speaker 2: with arn with a reported fifteen million dollar settlement. Now
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Speaker 2: it's a lot of money, but it's well short of
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Speaker 2: the eighty million dollar eighty million dollars that was left
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Speaker 2: on his contract, and the shock jock is expected to
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Speaker 2: take his next act to streaming, not traditional radio.
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Speaker 1: Caleb Carl wanted.
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Speaker 2: The full eighty million dollars when he first went into this.
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Speaker 2: He's getting fifteen. Do you think it can still be
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Speaker 2: chalked up as a win for him or.
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Speaker 1: Is he just cutting his losses?
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Speaker 7: I think probably more likely ARN cutting its losses and
20:48
Speaker 7: Kyle taking what he can get, because, I mean, the
20:52
Speaker 7: market cap on I are in at the moment's about
20:53
Speaker 7: sixty five million dollars. So if they were to both
20:57
Speaker 7: be paid out the full amount, I mean simply would
21:00
Speaker 7: not have that money that the company would fold. It
21:03
Speaker 7: would be an absolute disaster. So there was probably no
21:06
Speaker 7: reality in which they would get that money in THERN
21:09
Speaker 7: would allow that to happen. So they've obviously cut a deal.
21:12
Speaker 7: But interestingly, in the reporting from the Daily Telegraph, they're
21:16
Speaker 7: saying that whatever this next venture is from Kyl Sandland,
21:19
Speaker 7: it's understood that ARN is going to be a part
21:22
Speaker 7: of it, and so I wonder whether that is perhaps
21:25
Speaker 7: part of how they were able to do this deal,
21:28
Speaker 7: which is that you'll get the five million dollars a
21:30
Speaker 7: year over three years fifteen in total. But then presumably
21:33
Speaker 7: AARN will also have to invest in whatever he now
21:36
Speaker 7: goes on to do, so you know, it's probably a
21:39
Speaker 7: win win for him in that regard. For sure, he
21:41
Speaker 7: doesn't get the full eighty million dollars that he wanted,
21:44
Speaker 7: but if he then has backing to go and do
21:45
Speaker 7: something else from his former employer to do it himself.
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Speaker 2: It's not a bad hasta on board at billion dollars.
21:53
Speaker 2: Isn't a bad day very quickly when they have thirty
21:56
Speaker 2: seconds left. But his former coastar Jack Yo, she's due
21:59
Speaker 2: in court lay this week. She still has her own
22:02
Speaker 2: law suit against ARN. What do you think how do
22:05
Speaker 2: you think she may be feeling seeing the settlement.
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Speaker 8: Well, I think Carle's right in saying that ARN was
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Speaker 8: probably cutting your losses, so she might take a win
22:14
Speaker 8: from that. But the other things note about Kyle though,
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Speaker 8: is there was a massive advertiser boycott campaign that targeted
22:21
Speaker 8: him when he was at ARN. They're not going to
22:23
Speaker 8: go away just because he's streaming on YouTube or wherever
22:26
Speaker 8: he does it. So I think there's more trouble in
22:29
Speaker 8: the works in that respect.
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Speaker 2: But I think podcast is a different kettle of fish.
22:33
Speaker 2: In that respect, they seem to be a little bit
22:35
Speaker 2: more immune to those sorts of boycott campaigns, So I
22:38
Speaker 2: don't think we're going to see Kyl change too much
22:40
Speaker 2: anytime soon. James I, Dooty, Caleb Bon thank you both
22:43
Speaker 2: so much for your time. I'm joined now by One
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Speaker 2: Nation and Pete Barnaby Joyce Sparnaby.
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Speaker 1: I want to start on this report in The.
22:49
Speaker 2: Guardian that I spoke about at the top of the show.
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Speaker 2: John Drew, who claimed to be a One Nation policy
22:56
Speaker 2: development officer in Brisbane. He's defended Hitler Youth online, and
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Speaker 2: he's defended high profile Australian Neo Nazis. He's used vile
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Speaker 2: racist slows about Aboriginal Australians and other migrants.
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Speaker 1: A One Nation spokesman.
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Speaker 2: Told us he has never been a party official in
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Speaker 2: any capacity or held a branch committee position at all.
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Speaker 2: So what happened here? How did this bloke end up
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Speaker 2: being reported as one by the Guardian?
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Speaker 1: Do you know?
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Speaker 12: Well, let's get things straight. First of all, the mail
23:31
Speaker 12: I'm getting back as this person is not an official
23:35
Speaker 12: of One Nation, he does not represent One Nation. Make
23:40
Speaker 12: it absolutely clear we find fascism everything involved with the
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Speaker 12: Nazi Party, which our nation fought against, which our grandfather's granduncles,
23:54
Speaker 12: some of them died fighting against which forty thousand people
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Speaker 12: are represented in the Australian War Memorial as having given
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Speaker 12: their life fighting against. We find it a disgusting, futred,
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Speaker 12: disgrace on humanity and we have no party with it whatsoever,
24:12
Speaker 12: and it is a defilement of the human species. So
24:18
Speaker 12: let's remove any association with that whatsoever. On the second iteration,
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Speaker 12: his the comments about this supposed person towards Aboriginal people,
24:31
Speaker 12: Indigenous Australians are disgusting. We don't. We are not a
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Speaker 12: party to them in any way, shape or form. We're
24:40
Speaker 12: you know, we have we have issues in regards Nomniclatcher.
24:45
Speaker 12: Of course we accept that, but we're we believe in
24:51
Speaker 12: one nation. We believe all Australians are equal. What he
24:54
Speaker 12: is stating that that there is some impediment to Aboriginal people,
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Speaker 12: which is an absolute disgrace. That's completely at odds with
25:03
Speaker 12: our ethos. Our ethos is all people are equal, not
25:06
Speaker 12: there any differentiation, and certainly no defilement of the Aboriginal people, who,
25:12
Speaker 12: to be quite frank, we're so proud of. You know,
25:14
Speaker 12: the Aboriginal people are an incredible part of the tapestry
25:18
Speaker 12: of our nation and they are the bedrock of the
25:21
Speaker 12: cultural substance of what Australia is.
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Speaker 2: We do not deny that we're going to be I mean,
25:27
Speaker 2: thank you for those really strong comments. I mean, your
25:30
Speaker 2: points about all the veterans who fought Nazis.
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Speaker 1: Is absolutely spot on.
25:36
Speaker 2: But so will the party expel this guy if he
25:39
Speaker 2: is in fact a registered member and he says he
25:43
Speaker 2: works for one nation, but that's been strongly repeated.
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Speaker 1: Should he be expelled?
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Speaker 12: Oh, if he is a member of the Nazi Party,
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Speaker 12: he's gone. There is no there's no second guess on this.
25:54
Speaker 12: You know, I can assure you that my family fought
25:58
Speaker 12: against the Nazi Party. There are people in my family
26:02
Speaker 12: I had. My grandmother had seven brothers over a range
26:10
Speaker 12: of wars, including the wars against the Nazis. They're all dead.
26:14
Speaker 12: We have no truck with the Nazi Party. We hate
26:18
Speaker 12: the Nazi Party were you know, we love Australia. And
26:24
Speaker 12: so if this person, no gentleman, if this human being
26:29
Speaker 12: has an association with the Nazi Party or anything that's
26:32
Speaker 12: associated with it, he is gone, and I think he's
26:36
Speaker 12: gone anyhow, we don't have to worry about it. Let's
26:38
Speaker 12: get rid of him.
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Speaker 1: But this, you know, this is not who we are.
26:44
Speaker 12: One Nation is a conservative party, yes, where as a
26:48
Speaker 12: conservative where where we're deemed to be right wing, okay,
26:53
Speaker 12: but we are not. This is this has nothing to
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Speaker 12: do with us, and I would never be associated with
27:02
Speaker 12: any party that had anything to do with that absolute trash.
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Speaker 2: Well, look, that is very refreshing to hear, Barnaby, and
27:10
Speaker 2: I think a lot of people watching at home will
27:13
Speaker 2: be very reassured to hear you say you want this
27:16
Speaker 2: person expelled if he is a One Nation member. Look,
27:18
Speaker 2: let's move on to one good. I agree, because you know,
27:22
Speaker 2: One Nation has been such strong supporters, especially of the
27:25
Speaker 2: Jewish community after Bonnie. I said to you and Pauline
27:28
Speaker 2: when he turned up to the memorial, I've never seen
27:31
Speaker 2: such a reception. And I saw every politician that turned
27:34
Speaker 2: up after that attack, and it's good to see you
27:38
Speaker 2: staying strong on that.
27:39
Speaker 1: Look, One Nation, let's talk about this.
27:41
Speaker 2: It's built up now quite a big war chest from
27:43
Speaker 2: the successful Fire the Liar campaign. It's coming in so quickly.
27:49
Speaker 2: It's almost four point four million dollars. That is the
27:52
Speaker 2: latest live tally on your screen at the moment the
27:55
Speaker 2: goalkeeper has to the goalpost keeps having to shift because
27:59
Speaker 2: the money's coming in so quickly. Pauline Hanson has said
28:02
Speaker 2: she's going to focus on targeting the seats of the
28:05
Speaker 2: Prime Minister himself as well as Tony Burg, Chris Bowen
28:09
Speaker 2: and clara'neill. Do you think One Nation will be able
28:11
Speaker 2: to attract enough quality candidates though, to run in all
28:15
Speaker 2: those seats?
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Speaker 12: Yes, I do, in fact, every night at home, whether
28:22
Speaker 12: it's myself or Vicky where the phone runs hot with
28:26
Speaker 12: people who apparently are our new friends and understand for
28:30
Speaker 12: as one Nation candidates And if we're getting those, I'm
28:34
Speaker 12: sure Pauline's getting ten times those. We have no problems
28:39
Speaker 12: finding candidates. We have no problems finding good candidates, and
28:43
Speaker 12: we will find cattle to match the country. So to
28:47
Speaker 12: be quite frank, in a lot of the suburbs of Sydney,
28:50
Speaker 12: they will be people who represent the ethnicity of Sydney,
28:53
Speaker 12: who represent the suburbs they're in. Who are you know
28:59
Speaker 12: a good pieceeople who believe in Australia, believe in the
29:02
Speaker 12: guardrails of Australia, believe in the potential of Australia is
29:05
Speaker 12: so vastly greater than where we currently find ourselves, who
29:10
Speaker 12: know we can do a vasty greater job, who are
29:14
Speaker 12: not happy with so many people, who especially the western
29:17
Speaker 12: subjects of Sydney, who have come to Australia recently and
29:21
Speaker 12: they just are they're flummixed by the belief that people
29:26
Speaker 12: can just make their own arrangements, come in here and
29:28
Speaker 12: decide they can turn Australia into somewhere where they came from.
29:33
Speaker 12: They are vastly more in tuned, vastly more wise than
29:37
Speaker 12: so many others. To say, you've got to be really careful.
29:40
Speaker 12: This is an incredible country, an incredible blessing, and don't
29:44
Speaker 12: destroy it. Make sure that you respect that the incredible
29:48
Speaker 12: blessing you have in being this nation called Australia. And
29:51
Speaker 12: now these people are lined up to stand for one
29:54
Speaker 12: nation and we look forward to making them part of
29:59
Speaker 12: the movement. We have to make this nation such as
30:03
Speaker 12: such a stronger place, such a better place, so that
30:07
Speaker 12: we can hand to our grandchildren and our children a
30:10
Speaker 12: better nation or the same nation at the very least
30:13
Speaker 12: than was handed to us.
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Speaker 2: One nation has released a slick new ad attacking Anthony Albanezi.
30:19
Speaker 1: This is what's been running on social media. Let's just
30:22
Speaker 1: take a little look at it.
30:27
Speaker 7: Got a ole bround from it.
30:34
Speaker 1: Brought me to money.
30:34
Speaker 2: Mass migrations created shortage, people living destitute, people who can't
30:40
Speaker 2: afford to the roof of their seven million strains, can
30:43
Speaker 2: only afford.
30:43
Speaker 1: One meal a day.
30:46
Speaker 11: Our rights have been stripped from us, Our freedom of
30:49
Speaker 11: speech is being taken from us, and we're just being
30:53
Speaker 11: diminished as a people who we are, our pride in ourselves.
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Speaker 2: Look, I got to hand it to your party, barnaby.
31:01
Speaker 2: You guys know how to make some pretty good ads
31:03
Speaker 2: and campaigns. Before we go, though, I want to just
31:07
Speaker 2: ask you. Pauline Hanson, your leader, will be making her
31:10
Speaker 2: debut speech at the National Press Club tomorrow.
31:12
Speaker 1: Can you give us a bit of a preview. Will
31:13
Speaker 1: she make any announcements you care to reveal here? First?
31:18
Speaker 12: Well, I know that it'd be very bad form that
31:20
Speaker 12: if I had them, i'd announce them in front of her. Look,
31:24
Speaker 12: I'm looking forward. I'm down in camber at the moment,
31:26
Speaker 12: I'll definitely be there. I'm looking for two other predictable
31:32
Speaker 12: She'll be a breadboard for tom Hawks as people try
31:35
Speaker 12: to catch with gotcha questions. You know how many fairies
31:40
Speaker 12: dance on the head of a pin on Tuesday afternoons
31:42
Speaker 12: at three thirty. Oh, she didn't get it. You know, well,
31:46
Speaker 12: what is the GDP of Guatemala? You know we can
31:51
Speaker 12: see we can see these ones coming.
31:53
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't think. I don't think that.
31:56
Speaker 2: I don't think photos for for it so much anymore
31:58
Speaker 2: that I think they've wised up to a lot of it.
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Speaker 2: But I think you're right, she's going to get some
32:02
Speaker 2: of those sorts of gotcha questions. We're out of time, barnaby,
32:05
Speaker 2: but really appreciate your time to night and answering some
32:08
Speaker 2: tough questions coming up later in the show, the taxpayer
32:11
Speaker 2: funded broadcasters are being dragged before the anti Semitism Royal Commission.
32:15
Speaker 2: Alex Ripchin joins me to discuss what he's hoping to
32:18
Speaker 2: see from that, and a families is Raeligh flag stolen
32:23
Speaker 2: from their own home. The CCTV footage is extraordinary and
32:27
Speaker 2: the thief's excuse to the court has to be heard
32:31
Speaker 2: to be believed. A friend of the family will join
32:34
Speaker 2: me after the break. Now to a bizarre case that
32:41
Speaker 2: was finalized in a Sydney court today. Exclusive footage obtained
32:45
Speaker 2: by Sky News shows thirty three year old laborer Nabel
32:49
Speaker 2: Hammad approaching a home in western Sydney, stealing an Israeli
32:54
Speaker 2: flag from a front window and taking off with it
32:58
Speaker 2: in his work cute. His flag had been proudly displayed
33:02
Speaker 2: alongside the Lebanese one by a Lebanese Australian family after
33:06
Speaker 2: the Bonnei massacre in a touching show of support for
33:10
Speaker 2: the Jewish community.
33:11
Speaker 1: It also had sentimental value.
33:13
Speaker 2: The flag had been given to these kids' father by
33:17
Speaker 2: his own grandfather who had Israeli heritage. Then the homeowner's
33:22
Speaker 2: own CCTV and car dash cam footage showed Hammered, who
33:27
Speaker 2: had been working at a nearby job site, get out
33:30
Speaker 2: of his vehicle and steal the flag in February, only
33:34
Speaker 2: a few weeks after the Bonnie attacks. The District Court
33:38
Speaker 2: in Parramatta was told that this left their father feeling
33:41
Speaker 2: sad and uncertain about whether it was safe for him
33:45
Speaker 2: to continue raising his family and children in Marrylands as
33:49
Speaker 2: he holds fears for their safety now. Bilhammad told the
33:53
Speaker 2: police he is Palestinian and had lost family members in
33:57
Speaker 2: the war in Gaza. He said he didn't think it
34:00
Speaker 2: was appropriate for the Israeli flag to be displayed in marrylands.
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Speaker 1: But get this.
34:06
Speaker 2: Hamad also claimed that he believed removing the flag would
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Speaker 2: protect the family from potential harm by other persons.
34:16
Speaker 1: Well, how selfless of him.
34:19
Speaker 2: The coll last month convicted Hammud of one count of
34:22
Speaker 2: larceny and find him six hundred dollars today. He was
34:26
Speaker 2: due to appeal the severity of the fine, but withdrew
34:30
Speaker 2: that appeal when he came before the judge. Joining me
34:33
Speaker 2: now on the desk is Ali Begzade, a friend of
34:37
Speaker 2: the family. Ali, thank you for coming on the show.
34:40
Speaker 2: The family understandably doesn't want to be identified here, but
34:44
Speaker 2: you've kindly agreed to speak on their behalf. And how
34:47
Speaker 2: were they feeling throughout this whole ordeal. They simply wanted
34:50
Speaker 2: to show their support for the Jewish community after the attack.
34:54
Speaker 13: Yeah, it's horrible. I mean, this is just another case
34:56
Speaker 13: where you have I like to call it the great
34:59
Speaker 13: Lebanese people are being hijacked of their own agency as
35:03
Speaker 13: we are, as the Iranian people, the Iranian people within Iran,
35:06
Speaker 13: outside of Iran, they being occupied by an Islamic regime,
35:10
Speaker 13: as are the Lebanese people by Hezbollah, which is a
35:13
Speaker 13: proxy of the Islamic regime. And outside of Lebanon, in Iran,
35:17
Speaker 13: the same story is happening. The Lebanese people are outright saying,
35:21
Speaker 13: predominantly from the Christian community that we actually desire peace,
35:26
Speaker 13: We want peace with Israel. Israel is not our enemies.
35:29
Speaker 13: So here you have other individuals trying to strip them
35:33
Speaker 13: of that narrative, which is horrendous.
35:35
Speaker 2: And what did they and you make up this claim
35:38
Speaker 2: that he was this guy Nabluhammad was trying to take
35:41
Speaker 2: the flag because he thought it would protect the family
35:44
Speaker 2: for their own safety.
35:45
Speaker 13: Yeah, it's just another twisting the narrative. It's another means
35:48
Speaker 13: of gas lighting, as we always hear, always victimizing themselves
35:53
Speaker 13: of the actual truthful narrative that is at play.
35:57
Speaker 14: Now.
35:57
Speaker 2: You are Iran in Australian and you have been very
36:00
Speaker 2: active in demonstrating against the Iranian regime here in Australia
36:07
Speaker 2: and you've organized some of those protests as well as
36:09
Speaker 2: standing with Jewish people on Israeli at some of the
36:14
Speaker 2: protests in that community.
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Speaker 1: There've been mixed reactions, but I think a lot.
36:18
Speaker 2: Of what we're hearing, a lot of disappointment and betrayal
36:21
Speaker 2: being felt by Iranians over this piece deal that's been
36:25
Speaker 2: announced by Donald Trump.
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Speaker 1: What are your thoughts about it?
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Speaker 13: Well, a lot of thoughts, like you said, But first
36:30
Speaker 13: and foremost, we need to understand that this is not
36:33
Speaker 13: a deal at this stage yet. Of course, this is
36:36
Speaker 13: an interim memorandum of understanding, which is a fancy way
36:40
Speaker 13: of saying, hey, let's give it another sixty days of
36:43
Speaker 13: quote unquote negotiations to determine if the Americans can get
36:47
Speaker 13: further in this whole negotiation, such as less and less
36:51
Speaker 13: nuclear Richmond, taking nuclear enrichment out of Iran, et cetera,
36:55
Speaker 13: and so forth. Now, without getting too much into it,
36:59
Speaker 13: it's good for these lummy regime in that it buys
37:03
Speaker 13: them some more time.
37:04
Speaker 5: Now.
37:04
Speaker 13: Obviously, we don't want a deal, because forty seven years,
37:08
Speaker 13: almost five decades, has demonstrated that no deal with these
37:12
Speaker 13: lummy regime works unless it's unconditional surrender. But nevertheless, of
37:17
Speaker 13: course we're disappointed. We don't want this to take place.
37:20
Speaker 1: That's it.
37:21
Speaker 13: Though I am almost convinced that there won't be a
37:26
Speaker 13: complete deal that we think it's going to end result
37:30
Speaker 13: in the loss of the Americans because Israel is at
37:32
Speaker 13: play here as well. They're not a party to this
37:38
Speaker 13: MoU which means they're not going to accept it either.
37:40
Speaker 1: Yeah.
37:41
Speaker 2: Well, we've heard reports that Israel is alarmed by the
37:44
Speaker 2: deal and Benjamin Nanna who says he'll continue staying on
37:47
Speaker 2: in Lebanon as we discuss that biting Hesbala on that front.
37:52
Speaker 2: Do you think that this is just a domestic Do
37:56
Speaker 2: you suspect some people do that this is just a
37:59
Speaker 2: domestic political moved from Donald Trump as well? There's the
38:01
Speaker 2: midterms coming up. Do you think he might possibly turn
38:04
Speaker 2: around and try and get a military victory down the line.
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Speaker 13: Yeah, absolutely right. We have the midterms coming up in November.
38:10
Speaker 13: We have the World Cup right now, which is historically
38:13
Speaker 13: shown that it is an obstacle to a lot of
38:16
Speaker 13: stuff that have taking place. And we also have fourth
38:18
Speaker 13: of July the two hundred and fiftieth anniversary of the
38:22
Speaker 13: American independence. So all of these things, Trump will obviously
38:26
Speaker 13: want to maintain a relative stability throughout the region, and
38:31
Speaker 13: with Project Freedom at hand as well, he'd want to
38:33
Speaker 13: open up the Strait of Hormers until further on. We
38:37
Speaker 13: don't know if there's going to be a further military
38:39
Speaker 13: campaign or economic suffocation of the regime, but there is
38:44
Speaker 13: also infighting within the Islamic regime itself as we're seeing,
38:48
Speaker 13: which is a good sign the regime will collapse eventually.
38:52
Speaker 13: It's just a matter of time.
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Speaker 2: Hopefully that comes sooner rather than later. Ali begsade, thank
38:57
Speaker 2: you so much for coming and appreciated coming up the meta,
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Speaker 2: the ABC and SBS are being dragged before the Anti
39:03
Speaker 2: Semitism and Royal Commission. Alex Ripchin will be on next
39:07
Speaker 2: to answer what they must answer for.
39:10
Speaker 1: That's after the break Well meta.
39:14
Speaker 2: The company that owns Facebook and Instagram is being dragged
39:17
Speaker 2: before the Royal Commission into anti Semitism following a huge
39:21
Speaker 2: surge in online hatred, but much of the focus at
39:25
Speaker 2: the Commission will be on public broadcasters ABC and SBS,
39:30
Speaker 2: which the Commission has confirmed will also give evidence that
39:33
Speaker 2: the upcoming Block three after the networks refuse to adopt
39:38
Speaker 2: the government backed anti Semitism definition. Executive Council of Australian
39:42
Speaker 2: Jury co CEO Alex Ripchin joins me.
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Speaker 1: Now, Alex, thanks for coming on.
39:48
Speaker 2: What questions do you think these publicly funded broadcasters have
39:53
Speaker 2: to answer.
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Speaker 14: Look, they've got a lot to answer for. And when
39:57
Speaker 14: you see violence the sort that we saw by and
40:00
Speaker 14: the period of five bombings that preceded it, when people
40:03
Speaker 14: get abused on the streets and on sporting fields and
40:06
Speaker 14: school yards throughout the country, these things don't just happen.
40:09
Speaker 14: They happen as the endpoint of a process of dehumanization
40:13
Speaker 14: of libels and slander. And historically that would occur through
40:16
Speaker 14: things like the blood libel, the accusation the Jews slaughtered
40:20
Speaker 14: innocent children to use their blood and rituals, or the
40:23
Speaker 14: Jews with the killers of Christ. And in contemporary times
40:26
Speaker 14: it's the accusations of genocide, accusations of apartheid, willful killing
40:31
Speaker 14: of women and children. And so our public broadcasters need
40:34
Speaker 14: to answer for the extent to which they've platformed such
40:37
Speaker 14: views unchallenged and let them become part of the national
40:40
Speaker 14: narrative in which extremists then view the Jews in such
40:44
Speaker 14: a low and dehumanized way that their right for violence
40:48
Speaker 14: and hatred and exclusion and so forth. So it's really
40:51
Speaker 14: important and also the social media giants, you know, the
40:54
Speaker 14: way that hatred is disseminated now with the speed and
40:58
Speaker 14: the reach abuse and hatred and conspiracy theories that occurs
41:04
Speaker 14: predominantly through social media, and they have an obligation to
41:07
Speaker 14: ensure that their carries aren't used for these devious, nefarious purposes.
41:11
Speaker 14: So both the national broadcasters which we fund and also
41:15
Speaker 14: the social media platforms on which we will rely have
41:18
Speaker 14: a lot to answer for.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, and if the Commission makes binding us against them,
41:22
Speaker 2: I think we need to have a serious conversation about
41:25
Speaker 2: why these broadcasters continue to be funded with so many
41:29
Speaker 2: millions and even over a billion dollars in the abc
41:32
Speaker 2: of taxpayer funding.
41:33
Speaker 1: I want to talk about some breaking news now.
41:35
Speaker 2: Donald Trump, he's at the G seven in France and
41:38
Speaker 2: he's just made some more critical comments about Israel and
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Speaker 2: how it's been dealing with a threat from Hesbala in Lebanon.
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Speaker 3: Take a look, Isuel's fighting Hazela too long and too
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Speaker 3: many people are being killed. And you don't have to
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Speaker 3: knock down an apartment house every.
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Speaker 14: Time you're looking for somebody, because there.
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Speaker 3: Are a lot of people in those apartment houses and
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Speaker 3: they're not all.
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Speaker 1: Asbilla that I can do you, Alex.
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Speaker 2: I mean, we've heard now a number of comments from
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Speaker 2: Donald Trump over the past few weeks, calling Israeli Prime
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Speaker 2: Minister Benjamin Nanna who criticizing his effing judgment, making other
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Speaker 2: comments about how he's a difficult guy and how he's
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Speaker 2: been running his military campaign in Lebanon. What do you
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Speaker 2: make of these latest comments?
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Speaker 1: Is it helpful?
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Speaker 14: Look? I think it shows something very important about the
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Speaker 14: character of the relationship between the two countries and how
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Speaker 14: they engage with adversaries in the region. I mean, the
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Speaker 14: United States view Iran as an enemy. They view their
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Speaker 14: proxies like Hesbellah as foes that have taken American military
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Speaker 14: and civilian life in the past, but they don't view
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Speaker 14: them as existential threats. So Donald Trump and his administration
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Speaker 14: can shift priorities. They can lose interest in the war.
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Speaker 14: They can wish to see it wind down in order
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Speaker 14: to stabilize the economic situation of the flow of energy
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Speaker 14: and so forth. Israel has no such luxuries for them.
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Speaker 14: Hesblas embedded on their northern border, they relentlessly rocket the
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Speaker 14: communities in Israel's north. They continuously attempt to infiltrate the border,
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Speaker 14: as Hamas did on October seven. So Israel can't lose interest.
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Speaker 14: They have to keep fighting this wharf as long as
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Speaker 14: it takes. They do so with a mind to minimizing
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Speaker 14: civilian casualties. They've had extraordinary success in Lebanon in terms
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Speaker 14: of taking out in ISRAELA and a lot of the
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Speaker 14: top brass of Hezbollah with the Pager operation, among many others.
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Speaker 14: But this is a war that Israel has to keep
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Speaker 14: fighting until that enemy is neutralized. Whereas for Donald Trump
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Speaker 14: in the United States, it's a wholly different calculus.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, Andiah also has the midterms to think about. Let's
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Speaker 1: face it.
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Speaker 2: The federal police in Australia are now investigating claims from
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Speaker 2: four flotilla activists who alleged they were abused and raped
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Speaker 2: by Israeli forces.
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Speaker 1: After trying to reach Gaza.
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Speaker 2: Foreign Minister Penny Wong met with them yesterday in Canberra,
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Speaker 2: but even before that she said already that she believes them,
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Speaker 2: and that's despite Israel flatly denying these allegations and calling
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Speaker 2: the group professional agitators. Alex putting aside this AFP investigation
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Speaker 2: and personally, I don't know how our police have any
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Speaker 2: jurisdiction in Israel, but putting that aside, I've got to
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Speaker 2: say I find it pretty outrageous that Wong gave these
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Speaker 2: activists an audience, considering she couldn't even be bothered to
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Speaker 2: visit the sites where her mass terrorists murdered Jews and
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Speaker 2: raped women on October seven and murdered an Australian grandmother
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Speaker 2: when she traveled to the Middle East.
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Speaker 14: Look, it's not often that we feel sorry for politicians,
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Speaker 14: but actually pity Penny Wong having to sit in a
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Speaker 14: room with those.
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Speaker 1: People, because these are too Though Alex she.
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Speaker 14: She obviously received some advice that it was in her
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Speaker 14: interest to do so. I have no idea why. Obviously
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Speaker 14: she was hammered by David Schubridge, the Green Senator, and
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Speaker 14: state estimates that had a very fall back and forth,
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Speaker 14: and maybe she felt political pressure to have this meeting.
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Speaker 14: She wouldn't have wanted the meeting. These agitators detest her
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Speaker 14: personally and attack her relentlessly. They loathe the EU Strange
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Speaker 14: government and accuse them of everything under the sun, and
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Speaker 14: they are working hand in glove with the Straine Greens
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Speaker 14: to undermine the federal government. So, for whatever reason, Penny
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Speaker 14: Wong felt fit to meet these people. I can't for
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Speaker 14: the life of me work out what that reason would be.
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Speaker 14: And when you look at the foreign polls, the situation
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Speaker 14: around the world, when you look at the opportunities and
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Speaker 14: risks and threats facing our country, I would think there
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Speaker 14: would be far better ways to spend five minutes as
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Speaker 14: time than with people like that.
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Speaker 2: Well, our scription, you are a better person than I
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Speaker 2: because I have no sympathy for the Foreign Minister on
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Speaker 2: this one, but thank you very much for your time tonight.
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Speaker 2: Coming up, climate alarmists have spent years telling us the
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Speaker 2: Great Barrier Reef is dying, but the science now tells
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Speaker 2: a very different story. The Australians. Graham Lloyd joins me
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Speaker 2: after the break. After years of climate doom over the
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Speaker 2: Great Barrier Reef, a major news study has found nearly
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Speaker 2: one hundred and sixty six thousand square kilometers of potentially
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Speaker 2: climate resilient coral reefs across seventy one countries, including about
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Speaker 2: a third of the Great Barrier Reef. So it turns
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Speaker 2: out the reef is much sturdier than the climate alarmists
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Speaker 2: gave it credit for. The Australians. Environment editor Graham Lloyd
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Speaker 2: joins me now, Graham.
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Speaker 1: Thanks for coming on the show.
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Speaker 2: Does this study finally challenge that claim the reef is
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Speaker 2: doomed for extinction?
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Speaker 11: Well, good evening, Carolin. It's certainly a change of position
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Speaker 11: on the part of the science community and conservation groups
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Speaker 11: who for years have been saying, with climate change, there
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Speaker 11: will be a point in the relatively near future where
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Speaker 11: it will become impossible for corals to survive, so they
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Speaker 11: will be lost. In fact, there's a lot of people
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Speaker 11: who think that the reef has already died and it's
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Speaker 11: all kind of too late, when in fact nothing could
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Speaker 11: be further from the truth. This new research looked at
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Speaker 11: decades of physical observations of coral cover, temperatures, ocean states,
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Speaker 11: and other things, and found vast areas of global corals
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Speaker 11: that can survive rising temperatures because of climate change. This
47:26
Speaker 11: is a much better and bigger story because those corals
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Speaker 11: will be able to seed other areas and improve the
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Speaker 11: situation no end. So signers are not saying, well, climate
47:39
Speaker 11: change will never be a problem, but they're certainly saying
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Speaker 11: this absolutest view that it's all going to disappear in
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Speaker 11: the very near future. It was completely wrong, and if
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Speaker 11: you look at corals globally, there are corals that survive
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Speaker 11: in much hotter waters than we have now. So nature
47:58
Speaker 11: is a fabulous thing. Minds a way of sort of
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Speaker 11: changing and occupying spaces that are otherwise it wouldn't. So
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Speaker 11: environment groups are now saying, we've discovered these areas, let's
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Speaker 11: protect them, let's make the ocean health as good as
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Speaker 11: it can be to give them a chance. And that's
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Speaker 11: a positive message rather than one of doom.
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Speaker 2: Well, it's great news for the Barrier reef and other reefs,
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Speaker 2: but of course also good news for tourism, because we
48:26
Speaker 2: don't want to get that message out there that the
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Speaker 2: reef is already dead or mostly dead. I want to
48:31
Speaker 2: ask you about the news that's been dominating Sydney for
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Speaker 2: the last few days. This debate about whether or not
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Speaker 2: there should be a shark cull or commercial shark fisheries.
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Speaker 2: That's come, of course, after an attack on a new
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Speaker 2: mum by a great white shark at Couldie Beach over
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Speaker 2: the weekend.
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Speaker 1: What is your view, Grame on what should happen?
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Speaker 11: Well, I must say I am conflicted on this one.
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Speaker 11: I feel terribly for the young mother and her family.
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Speaker 11: I also used to live at Cuojie Beach and I
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Speaker 11: would snorkel every morning off the northern point, so I'm
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Speaker 11: very familiar with the waters there and it does make
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Speaker 11: you think, well, gee, what's out here with me? But
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Speaker 11: at the end of the day, I'm not convinced that
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Speaker 11: coals or increasing fishing actually has the impact of changing
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Speaker 11: the odds dramatically. I think there are technologies that can
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Speaker 11: alert people when there's a present danger. I would be
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Speaker 11: far more convinced that they are of value.
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Speaker 2: Than about shark nets, because they use them at Couljie
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Speaker 2: just very quickly. We're almost out of time sharkness. They
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Speaker 2: use them at Couldie, but they take them down over winter.
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Speaker 2: Should they be up all year?
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Speaker 11: Well, I think, look at they take them down because
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Speaker 11: they tangle up whales on the way through. I think
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Speaker 11: it's an interesting point that the nets have been removed
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Speaker 11: recently and this attack has taken place. Whether that's coincidence,
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Speaker 11: I'm not sure.
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Speaker 1: Guess what. We won't know. Graham, We've got to go.
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Speaker 2: I really appreciate your viewpoint, and thanks for your time tonight,
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Speaker 2: and thank you at home for joining us.
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Speaker 1: I'll see you tomorrow at eight. Now it's time for
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