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Takin’ A Walk Nashville with Tenille Arts: Her Rise in Country Music and the Power of Female Storytelling · Takin’ A Walk Nashville

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  Speaker 1: Taking a Walk Nashville.
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  Speaker 2: Hi, this is Sarah Harrelson, your host of Taken Walk Nashville.
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  Speaker 2: Born and raised in a small prairie town in Canada,
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  Speaker 2: to Neil Arts picked up the guitar and pinned her
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  Speaker 2: first song at age thirteen and has been performing NonStop
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  Speaker 2: ever since. She has racked up nearly a billion streams,
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  Speaker 2: garnered over seven hundred and fifty thousand digital followers, and
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  Speaker 2: her critically acclaimed Love, Heartbreak and Everything in Between album
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  Speaker 2: yielded her first number one single, Somebody Like That, which
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  Speaker 2: has certified double platinum. This single made history as the
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  Speaker 2: first number one country song written, produced, and performed by
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  Speaker 2: all females, and was the first country song by a
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  Speaker 2: Canadian artist to reach number one in the US since
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  Speaker 2: two thousand and seven. Her twenty twenty four fourteen song
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  Speaker 2: To Be Honest album leads with the stunning singles So
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  Speaker 2: Do I, written by Demi Lovado, Sasha Loan, Laura Velts,
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  Speaker 2: and King Henry. In twenty twenty two, Tanil was nominated
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  Speaker 2: by the ACM Awards for New Female Artist of the Year,
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  Speaker 2: the iHeartRadio Music Awards for Best New Country Artist, and
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  Speaker 2: CMT Music Awards for Female video and breakthrough video of
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  Speaker 2: the Year. Join me in our conversation today with Taneil
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  Speaker 2: Arts as we talk about her new single If Somebody
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  Speaker 2: Told Me You Were Dying.
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  Speaker 1: Welcome to Taking a Walk Nashville with your hosts, singer
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  Speaker 1: songwriter Sarah.
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  Speaker 2: Harrelson, tan Neil Arts. Thank you so much for being
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  Speaker 2: on Taking a Walk Nashville today.
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  Speaker 1: How are you doing, I'm good. How are you I'm good?
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  Speaker 1: Thank you so much for being here.
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  Speaker 2: So I'm really excited for your upcoming single that's about
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  Speaker 2: to drop, If Somebody Told Me You Were Dying drops
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  Speaker 2: April tenth.
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  Speaker 1: You state that this song came.
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  Speaker 2: From a late night conversation when you realized you hadn't
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  Speaker 2: seen your X in a while, which can be very
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  Speaker 2: relatable because you know, many of us carry anger and
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  Speaker 2: feelings after a relationship, especially if it didn't end well.
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  Speaker 2: And you say that this song kind of sets you
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  Speaker 2: at peace by hopefully never seeing them again. So were
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  Speaker 2: you kind of in this mindset while writing this song, like.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm okay if I don't, you.
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  Speaker 2: Know, attend their funeral hypothetically speaking or see them again?
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  Speaker 1: What was your mindset while writing this?
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  Speaker 3: I feel like it was a bit of a wave
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  Speaker 3: of emotions because like it's always kind of that like
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  Speaker 3: jump scare feeling when you're like, well, what is like
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  Speaker 3: when somebody asked me, because that's what happened. Somebody asked
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  Speaker 3: me like, oh, have you seen them? And I was
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  Speaker 3: like no, And I didn't know what they were getting
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  Speaker 3: at by saying that either, you know, so then your
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  Speaker 3: mind kind of goes to, Okay, what does that mean?
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  Speaker 3: And like what are they going to tell me or whatever?
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  Speaker 3: And so honestly, I just like had really thought about
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  Speaker 3: it in a while, and then that weird thought popped
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  Speaker 3: into my head of like if somebody told me that,
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  Speaker 3: like if that was what their follow up text was,
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  Speaker 3: like oh, you know, something has happened, Like I I
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  Speaker 3: really for a second thought like, oh my gosh, Like
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  Speaker 3: I wouldn't even I don't think I would even go
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  Speaker 3: to the funeral. Like if something, if somebody told me
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  Speaker 3: something awful, like I wouldn't even put myself in that situation.
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  Speaker 3: I wouldn't even put myself back in there because it
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  Speaker 3: was so detrimental to my mental health and my health
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  Speaker 3: as a human being that like no, I really wouldn't
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  Speaker 3: I wouldn't even want to be in the in that
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  Speaker 3: same room. So it was a thought that I thought
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  Speaker 3: was maybe a little out there, but I wrote it
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  Speaker 3: down anyway, and I ended up having a writing session
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  Speaker 3: with Lydia Sutherland and Joe Townge and she actually Lydia
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  Speaker 3: had actually like started talking about this other idea of
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  Speaker 3: like something else about dying, and I was like, well,
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  Speaker 3: I have this other idea, and so we ended up
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  Speaker 3: running with with my idea of if somebody told me
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  Speaker 3: you were dying.
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  Speaker 2: And you know, it's such a weird realization to think
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  Speaker 2: about that, but so relatable because you know, if you've
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  Speaker 2: gotten over someone, you've had your closure, then you don't
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  Speaker 2: want to go back to them, no matter what the circumstances.
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  Speaker 2: So I think it's very relatable. I love the production
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  Speaker 2: of the song. Who did you work with in the
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  Speaker 2: studio for this song?
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  Speaker 3: Todd Tren and Joe townsh did it together, which was
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  Speaker 3: really cool because Joe had started a demo the day
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  Speaker 3: of and I just loved like everything that he was doing,
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  Speaker 3: and I had put down my vocals that day as well,
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  Speaker 3: and like the day that we wrote the song, we
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  Speaker 3: did a little demo and I ended up keeping like
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  Speaker 3: pretty much all of my day of vocals, and so
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  Speaker 3: we brought Todd in and he stacked, like helped me
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  Speaker 3: stack a bunch of harmonies, and he was just really
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  Speaker 3: great at putting this whole thing together. So yeah, it
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  Speaker 3: came out very cinematic and dramatic, which was kind of
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  Speaker 3: what I was going for.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it definitely fits the mood everyone should go check
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  Speaker 2: out if somebody told me you were dying. And speaking
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  Speaker 2: of other singles, your single somebody like that. It became
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  Speaker 2: the first number one country song written, produced, and performed
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  Speaker 2: by all females, which I love. How do you feel
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  Speaker 2: about carrying that torch and what are your general thoughts
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  Speaker 2: on women in country music trying to make it up
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  Speaker 2: the charts together? And what was it like working with
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  Speaker 2: Alex Klein on the song?
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  Speaker 1: Oh my gosh.
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  Speaker 3: Well, first of all, it was so so cool to
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  Speaker 3: have that huge win with an all female team of
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  Speaker 3: us all writing it together and Alex producing. That was
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  Speaker 3: just really special in something that we didn't we had
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  Speaker 3: kind of assumed had already happened to be totally honest, like,
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  Speaker 3: we knew that there weren't many females that had topped
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  Speaker 3: the charts like recently, but I'd just assumed that, like,
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  Speaker 3: you know, a female producer had done that before. And
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  Speaker 3: when we found out, I think we were like top
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  Speaker 3: twenty and that was actually when like the record was
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  Speaker 3: broken or something like that, and so it was just
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  Speaker 3: really wild to find out that, you know, we made
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  Speaker 3: history with that. But it was really special and obviously
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  Speaker 3: I'd love to pass that on to the next all
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  Speaker 3: female team for sure. And yeah, Alex was just incredible.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, I still love working with her. I'm actually
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  Speaker 3: going to write with her this afternoon. We just love
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  Speaker 3: working together and she's a huge part of my sound
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  Speaker 3: and how my music has evolved over the years.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, And I think a lot of people don't realize.
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  Speaker 2: I think, you know, some listeners realize that many of
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  Speaker 2: these songs are written by you know, maybe an all
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  Speaker 2: female team, but not necessarily a female producer, which can
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  Speaker 2: be a rarity and country music at least. So I
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  Speaker 2: love that you had an all female team for this,
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  Speaker 2: and I think, if I'm correct, it was the first
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  Speaker 2: song since two thousand and seven that became a number
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  Speaker 2: one for a Canadian female artist, correct.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, which, yeah, that was pretty reviled too. I actually
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  Speaker 3: got to hang out with it was Terry Clark. She
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  Speaker 3: was the last one to have a number one down
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  Speaker 3: here until me, which was so weird, but I was yeah,
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  Speaker 3: just she was so sweet. She invited Alex and I
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  Speaker 3: over to her place and we all hung out and
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  Speaker 3: she was like, well, you dethroned me. We had some champagne,
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  Speaker 3: but to celebrate just the success, because yeah, Alex and
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  Speaker 3: Terry also worked together on some other things, so it
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  Speaker 3: was very cool.
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  Speaker 1: Cool, what a special moment. Yeah, So tell us about
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  Speaker 1: what was the start.
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  Speaker 2: Of your career, like making that transition from Canada down
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  Speaker 2: to Nashville to pursue country music.
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  Speaker 3: Oh wow, I mean it started so young for me.
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  Speaker 3: You know, I loved country music growing up. I loved
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  Speaker 3: all kind kinds of music though, like I really was
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  Speaker 3: into like all pop music and everything like that. But
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  Speaker 3: when I found out that people were really writing the
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  Speaker 3: songs here in Nashville, that was something that piqued my interest.
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  Speaker 3: Around the time I was like thirteen fourteen years old
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  Speaker 3: and started actually writing my own songs. You know, I
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  Speaker 3: had always made stuff up, but I never actually wrote
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  Speaker 3: it down, and so I got really interested in that.
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  Speaker 3: And when I found out that, you know, some of
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  Speaker 3: these major artists from Canada like Shnaia Twain, you know
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  Speaker 3: they yes, they were from Canada and they started up there,
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  Speaker 3: but majority of their career was started down here in
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  Speaker 3: the United States. That's kind of what I was looking at.
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  Speaker 3: I was like, you know, I really want to be
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  Speaker 3: everywhere that I can be, and if I can be
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  Speaker 3: in Nashville, really feel like I'm going to be.
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  Speaker 1: Able to just grow.
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  Speaker 3: And you know, I also had a big fear of
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  Speaker 3: just being like, you know, maybe maybe good in a
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  Speaker 3: small town, but maybe not anywhere else. And so I
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  Speaker 3: really wanted to kind of push myself and get to Nashville.
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  Speaker 3: So I think I was fifteen when I made my
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  Speaker 3: first trip here, and yeah, I was actually like found
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  Speaker 3: on my YouTube channel by a manager and he called
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  Speaker 3: my parents and that's how I ended up, you know,
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  Speaker 3: coming to Nashville for the first time and co writing
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  Speaker 3: for the first time.
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  Speaker 2: Oh wow, did you move down here with your family
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  Speaker 2: or were you kind of separated from your family making
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  Speaker 2: the trips.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah. I was kind of making like two week trips
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  Speaker 3: as often as I could with my mom, just my
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  Speaker 3: mom coming with me because I have three other siblings,
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  Speaker 3: so I wasn't about to uproot their lives for my
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  Speaker 3: crazy dreams. But yeah, so it was a lot of
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  Speaker 3: back and forth until I turned twenty one. I ended
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  Speaker 3: up signing a publishing deal, and you know, if you're
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  Speaker 3: from Canada, you gotta get visa and do all of
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  Speaker 3: that stuff. So that was a whole process to actually
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  Speaker 3: be able to get down to Nashville.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. Do you still go back to Canada A lot?
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  Speaker 1: I do?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah. Actually, I was talking to my grandma this morning.
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  Speaker 3: She was like, when are you coming back? We mee
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  Speaker 3: you here, and I'm like, oh, I try to make
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  Speaker 3: it back at least twice a year. I usually come
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  Speaker 3: home at some point during the summer, Labor Day weekend
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  Speaker 3: kind of thing, and then Christmas. But if I ever
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  Speaker 3: have shows like close by, I'm always like, okay, we
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  Speaker 3: need to at least make a stop.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: It are so many different country music festivals in Canada,
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  Speaker 2: so I'm sure you're up there for gigs a lot.
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  Speaker 3: Oh yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Well, speaking of some of your other music, you also
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  Speaker 2: recently released the song Don't Ruin Flowers. As you work
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  Speaker 2: on recording your next album, what does the next chapter
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  Speaker 2: look like for you with a new album.
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  Speaker 3: Well, I have been writing for it for quite a while,
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  Speaker 3: and I feel like the songs have been evolving and
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  Speaker 3: changing throughout this entire process, so it's been kind of
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  Speaker 3: interesting to nail down exactly what this project is going
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  Speaker 3: to be. But it has definitely taken the path of
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  Speaker 3: like just kind of exploring but also going back to
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  Speaker 3: my roots quite a bit with just how I'm approaching
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  Speaker 3: songwriting and everything like that. So this will be a
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  Speaker 3: lot more of songs like Don't Room Flowers and if
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  Speaker 3: Somebody told Me You Were Dying, and then there was
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  Speaker 3: a previous song called Unbecoming, and so it's all of
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  Speaker 3: those different things all in one, and as I kind
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  Speaker 3: of transition from breakup songs into kind of where I
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  Speaker 3: am in my life now, as you can see, there's
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  Speaker 3: a smile on my face, so I'm obviously not the
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  Speaker 3: breakup phase anymore, and I'm just writing a lot of
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  Speaker 3: happy stuff right now. So it's fun to kind of
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  Speaker 3: eventually put this together all into an album and people
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  Speaker 3: will be able to see exactly what I lived through.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, Yeah, I can't wait to hear it.
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  Speaker 2: And what I've already heard, there's definitely a lot of
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  Speaker 2: reflection going on, and I think it's very beautiful and relatable.
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  Speaker 2: And I love the music video for Don't Ruin Flowers.
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  Speaker 2: You have like all sorts of flowers, and the video
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  Speaker 2: looks like you were in like a garden for most
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  Speaker 2: of it.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, someone that is literally somebody's house. Somebody had a
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  Speaker 3: beautiful greenhouse out in their front yard and so we
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  Speaker 3: filmed the majority of it there. And yeah, I was
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  Speaker 3: so cut up from the roast thorns and stuff like
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  Speaker 3: that after video because I was trying to walk through
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  Speaker 3: and be all whimsical and meanwhile I'm getting all scraped up.
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  Speaker 3: But yeah, it was a beautiful place to shoot and
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  Speaker 3: I think it just kind of brought that love of
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  Speaker 3: flowers really to life.
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  Speaker 1: So yeah, there's a moment.
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  Speaker 2: Even though you said you were getting cut up by thorns,
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  Speaker 2: there was a really cool moment in the video where
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  Speaker 2: this butterfly lands on your finger. I was like, Oh,
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  Speaker 2: that's so perfect that that happened.
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  Speaker 3: That was wild. I was like, I just tried to
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  Speaker 3: stay focused and I was like, I hope the cameras
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  Speaker 3: are rolling.
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  Speaker 1: I just kept going with it.
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  Speaker 3: I was like, there's no way to recreate.
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  Speaker 2: That, right, Yeah, such a perfect moment. So Tiniel, I
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  Speaker 2: remember like back when I would actually watch The Bachelor.
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  Speaker 2: You were asked, you know, three times to perform on
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  Speaker 2: the TV show The Bachelor. Do you think when you
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  Speaker 2: were asked to perform on it, do you think Bachelor
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  Speaker 2: Nation just kind of resonated with your music?
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  Speaker 3: I honestly think so, which was really interesting to me
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  Speaker 3: because even in one of the episodes, I played a
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  Speaker 3: song called I Hate This, which is we had filmed
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  Speaker 3: a love song and that song because it was my
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  Speaker 3: next song that was coming out, and it was so
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  Speaker 3: interesting to see, you know, during an episode where these
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  Speaker 3: people are supposed to be falling in love, they play
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  Speaker 3: this breakup song and Bachelor Nation just attaches themselves to this,
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  Speaker 3: and I was like, I think it was just a
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  Speaker 3: good look at you know how people watching a TV
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  Speaker 3: show like that, like we're all hopeless romantics, you know,
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  Speaker 3: we just want that to work, and when it doesn't,
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  Speaker 3: you know, we're really heartbroken. And so that I think
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  Speaker 3: that's why the song I Hate This really took off
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  Speaker 3: and it's still one of my best streaming songs. So
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  Speaker 3: I think they they've continued to love my slow, sad songs.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, how did that work out?
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  Speaker 2: Did you just get like a call like last minute
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  Speaker 2: or did you know like pretty advance ahead of time
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  Speaker 2: that you were going to be on it?
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  Speaker 3: Well, I knew that I had kind of made like
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  Speaker 3: a list of dream things that I had wanted to do,
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  Speaker 3: so I knew that my team was kind of like
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  Speaker 3: working on some of those angles and things like that,
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  Speaker 3: and so they happened to have a contact and reached
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  Speaker 3: out to see if there was an opportunity for me,
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  Speaker 3: and they heard the music, and yeah, I ended up
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  Speaker 3: on the show. So it was just a very cool
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  Speaker 3: way of everything coming together. And then of course you
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  Speaker 3: film and then it doesn't come out for months, so
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  Speaker 3: it was a very hard secret key, right. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Well, in addition to TV performances, you just recently toured
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  Speaker 2: with Luke Bryan and Walker Hayes. Can we look forward
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  Speaker 2: to more shows from you this year?
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  Speaker 3: Yes? I hope so. I mean we're kind of working
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  Speaker 3: on some stuff right now, so everybody will have to
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  Speaker 3: stay tuned, but yes, I hope so, because I really
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  Speaker 3: love getting to perform these songs live and getting to
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  Speaker 3: have the real connection. You know, so much of my
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  Speaker 3: you know, my song going number one and everything was
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  Speaker 3: during a time where we couldn't all be together in
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  Speaker 3: the same room, so you know, so I just you know,
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  Speaker 3: dying for those opportunities to be in front of people
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  Speaker 3: in real life. So hopefully that'll happen soon.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, we will stay tuned for that and your upcoming single,
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  Speaker 2: upcoming album to Neil, My last question for you today
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  Speaker 2: something I always ask my guest. We are on taking
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  Speaker 2: a walk in Nashville. So if you could take a
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  Speaker 2: walk with anyone in Nashville, where would you take that
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  Speaker 2: walk and who would you take that walk with?
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  Speaker 3: Wait? Are they alive or are they dead?
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  Speaker 2: It it doesn't matter, they could be either orse so
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  Speaker 2: people have said alive or dead people.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, I don't really know. I would probably
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  Speaker 3: say someone like Patsy Kline. I would probably want to
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  Speaker 3: take a walk with her. And because I'm fascinated by
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  Speaker 3: how secretive some people's lives were back then versus how
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  Speaker 3: they are now, I would love to ask some questions
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  Speaker 3: about like just being a female singer back then.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, get all the tea from Patsy.
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  Speaker 3: Yep, they'd love it.
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  Speaker 1: Do you know where in Nashville you would take that walk?
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  Speaker 3: Oh? I don't know. I mean, there's so many stories
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  Speaker 3: up and down music row. I would probably just go
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  Speaker 3: for a walk and just see what comes out.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's always the popular answer. I would love to
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  Speaker 2: see what Patsy thinks of you know, me thrown now too.
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  Speaker 3: Oh my gosh, I know, I can't even imagine. I
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  Speaker 3: need to go, like look up some photos of what
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  Speaker 3: it would have looked like back then. Now I'm curious,
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  Speaker 3: I know.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, she would probably have a hay day now.
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  Speaker 2: Well to Neil, thank you so much for being on
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  Speaker 2: Taking a Walk Nashville today. Everyone can go check out
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  Speaker 2: your new single if Somebody told me you were dying,
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  Speaker 2: and we are looking forward to all of your upcoming music.
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  Speaker 3: Thank you so much.
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  Speaker 1: I really appreciate it.
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  Speaker 3: Thanks for listening to Taking a Walk Nashville with Sarah Harrelson.
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