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Ep. 701: MeatEater Radio Live! The Dinosaur Highway and 100 Humans v. 1 Gorilla · The MeatEater Podcast

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  Speaker 1: Smell us.
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  Speaker 2: Now, Welcome to Meet Eater Trivia mea podcast. Welcome to
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  Speaker 2: Meet Eater Radio live at eleven am Mountain Time. That's
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  Speaker 2: neon o'clock for our friends in Quincy, Illinois on Thursday,
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  Speaker 2: May eighth, and we're live for Meat Eater Edge. Qan Bozeman.
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  Speaker 2: I'm your host, Spencer new Art, joined today by Ryan
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  Speaker 2: Callahan and Randall Williams. On today's show, we'll interview Duncan
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  Speaker 2: Murdoch about the dinosaur Highway that was just discovered in England,
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  Speaker 2: followed by a turkey report from the Meat Eater crew.
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  Speaker 2: Then we've got one minute fishing with Seth Morris. After
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  Speaker 2: that we'll do show and tell, and finally we'll interview
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  Speaker 2: Alex Fogg about constructing the world's largest artificial reef. Now,
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  Speaker 2: in case you don't think this is a live show,
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  Speaker 2: we just got breaking news that there's a new pope
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  Speaker 2: that's been elected. What's your insight on this, Randall White.
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  Speaker 3: Smoke from that's all. I watched Steve watch Conclave on
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  Speaker 3: a plane last week.
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  Speaker 2: So okay, yeah, all right, But but we're gonna settle
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  Speaker 2: an internet debate that's taken the Internet by storm. Here recently.
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  Speaker 2: Every now and then, some stupid thing on the Internet
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  Speaker 2: achieves exit velocity and makes it out into the real
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  Speaker 2: world like it is a hot dog, a sandwich, or
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  Speaker 2: the hawk to a girl. It happened again this week,
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  Speaker 2: and that was can one hundred humans beat a gorilla,
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  Speaker 2: a singular gorilla in a fight to the death? Yes,
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  Speaker 2: I have strong feelings about this randal. What do you think?
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  Speaker 2: Randall has come today with a notepad that I believe
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  Speaker 2: contains notes on this on this subject, I.
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  Speaker 3: Do I I don't think it's a very interesting question.
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  Speaker 3: I think the the numbers, the sheer numbers, and the
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  Speaker 3: fatigue factor. But I'd like to just use this moment
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  Speaker 3: to bolster that opinion. With my qualifications as an all
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  Speaker 3: around great ape enthusiast, Phil, will you pull up Exhibit
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  Speaker 3: one please? Whenever I'm at a zoo, I like to
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  Speaker 3: go visit the great Apes. On the left is Grill
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  Speaker 3: World at Cincinnati Zoo. On the right, I don't even
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  Speaker 3: know which zoo I was at there. That was twenty
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  Speaker 3: twenty two, wow, and I didn't go back to check
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  Speaker 3: my travel calendar. But as you can see there, it
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  Speaker 3: says test your grill IQ and I did rather well
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  Speaker 3: that day.
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  Speaker 2: How do we know?
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  Speaker 3: You just have to trust me.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, but so many zoos and checked out so many
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  Speaker 2: apes that he doesn't even know what zoo he was at.
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  Speaker 3: Yes, Phil, if you'll pull up the next slide please,
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  Speaker 3: This is a bizarre image one of my favorite sort
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  Speaker 3: of freak discoveries in the course of my dissertation research.
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  Speaker 3: This is an ad for the Ruger forty four magnum carbing.
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  Speaker 3: It's like the forty four magnum version of a ten
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  Speaker 3: twenty two. And they thought the best way to demonstrate
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  Speaker 3: the utility of this is with an image of a
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  Speaker 3: man and a gorilla. That is, it's amazing in somewhere
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  Speaker 3: in Central Africa. I had just took a picture of
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  Speaker 3: it with my phone, and I've never had a chance
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  Speaker 3: to display it to the world. So here it is.
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  Speaker 3: We used to live in a very weird place, Phil,
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  Speaker 3: Exhibit three. Here. Oh, so this is a sequence of
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  Speaker 3: photos taken at the Cincinnati Zoo. That's not my child,
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  Speaker 3: but just a random child, a good friend's child. No,
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  Speaker 3: we're taking a photo with this friend here and suddenly
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  Speaker 3: if only we've been filming video, because suddenly he charged
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  Speaker 3: us and he slapped the glass in what might be
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  Speaker 3: the most frightening sudden surprise of my life. It sounded
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  Speaker 3: like someone just shot a gun next to my head.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, we're learning Randall is indeed a subject matter expert.
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  Speaker 3: Yes, I've also read Gorillas in the Mist. And then
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  Speaker 3: to prep for this segment, I I didn't have time
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  Speaker 3: to watch the movie Congo Oh, so I downloaded it
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  Speaker 3: on Kindle and I read sixty seven percent of it. Okay,
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  Speaker 3: I shared some of my thoughts with Phil, but it
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  Speaker 3: is one of our culture's greatest meditations on the gorilla's
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  Speaker 3: capacity for violence. So I didn't really get anything out
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  Speaker 3: of that. And then I brought this T shirt. Okay,
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  Speaker 3: this is from the San Diego This is.
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  Speaker 2: All part of answering the question on if one hundred
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  Speaker 2: humans could beat a gorilla in a fight.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, and I just think a gorilla. You know, it's
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  Speaker 3: five and a half feet tall, four hundred pounds. It's
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  Speaker 3: got a powerful sagital crest that allows its jaw muscles
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  Speaker 3: to exert sort of unbelievable pressure on any sort of
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  Speaker 3: thing that finds its way into its mouth. But yeah,
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  Speaker 3: I don't think he can do it. I think you
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  Speaker 3: just get tired.
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  Speaker 2: I fully agree. I don't think it's even It wouldn't
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  Speaker 2: even be close to a fair fight. One hundred is
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  Speaker 2: such a big number. Yeah, one hundred humans, it's not fun.
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  Speaker 2: I think the debate should be what's the number where
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  Speaker 2: it actually gets competitive? My gas is like ten to fifteen.
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  Speaker 2: Do you think a dozen humans?
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  Speaker 3: No, you think a gorilla would win?
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  Speaker 4: I think I was going to say twenty.
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  Speaker 3: Figure the reach. A girl has got a wingspan of
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  Speaker 3: about eight feet. I mean you look at chimps. I
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  Speaker 3: mean chimps just tear people apart.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, I think what would be on our side is
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  Speaker 2: I can't imagine they have great stamina also or and
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  Speaker 2: but my problem with it would be I can't identify
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  Speaker 2: a weak point on a gorilla. No where do you go.
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  Speaker 2: You just got to punch them in the head over
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  Speaker 2: and over.
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  Speaker 3: And they have extremely thick skulls. Their brain case is
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  Speaker 3: not nearly as large as arms, so there's a lot
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  Speaker 3: more bone around it. And they don't have you know,
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  Speaker 3: in a fight, you're always talking about reach. Girls got
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  Speaker 3: us and they don't have chins, so they can't have
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  Speaker 3: a you know, like a.
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  Speaker 4: Boxer find the button.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly do they do they.
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  Speaker 2: Have exposed testicles, like, that's probably not a weak point
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  Speaker 2: either for them, if you were if you were really
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  Speaker 2: trying to think, trying to make sure that gross, they're
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  Speaker 2: just tiny.
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  Speaker 4: Sorry.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I just didn't think it was that interesting with questions,
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  Speaker 3: so I just wrote down a bunch of gorilla stuff
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  Speaker 3: about my history.
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  Speaker 5: Oh.
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  Speaker 3: I also forgot to mention when I was I would
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  Speaker 3: have been nine years old, my parents adopted a zoo baby,
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  Speaker 3: you know, like adopting. It's an Eastern Lowland gorilla. Female
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  Speaker 3: adopted it for you at the Cincinnati Zoo, right or
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  Speaker 3: was it for them? For me, it was a birthday
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  Speaker 3: or Christmas gift. That's how much I love gorillas. I
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  Speaker 3: also spent a good deal with my younger years of
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  Speaker 3: walking around on my knuckles, and I can still here
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  Speaker 3: today pretty effectively.
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  Speaker 2: Cal an the clip. Any thoughts on one hundred humans
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  Speaker 2: versus a grilla in a fight to the death.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I thought the movie Congo was great, probably underrated
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  Speaker 1: by cinophiles amy.
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  Speaker 3: All that stuff.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I don't.
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  Speaker 4: But by the time I saw a lot of those movies,
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  Speaker 4: they had already seemed kind of like outdated to me,
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  Speaker 4: and not not in a great way, but yeah, they're
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  Speaker 4: entertaining for sure.
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  Speaker 2: Okay.
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  Speaker 3: The biggest shock to me from a revisiting the book
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  Speaker 3: is that it's set in nineteen seventy iron, So it's
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  Speaker 3: just you read it as a period piece, then you
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  Speaker 3: remember that he wrote it in nineteen eighty, and you
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  Speaker 3: thank god it's it's it's actually very cutting edge.
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  Speaker 1: So I think where anybody doing battle with the Gorilla
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  Speaker 1: would really fall short is there's not a lot of
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  Speaker 1: like trained fighting sports where you're counting on somebody biting you, right,
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  Speaker 1: I mean that's a that's a big, big part of the.
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  Speaker 3: Grilla development as a discipline.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, Now, as as this debate got heated up online,
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  Speaker 2: there was a tweet that went viral by someone. Phil
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  Speaker 2: is going to pull it up here. They built out
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  Speaker 2: their roster of one hundred people of who they would
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  Speaker 2: want to fight the Gorilla. Here's some folks that were
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  Speaker 2: on that list. This tweet got sixteen million views. Fifty
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  Speaker 2: in his prime Turtleman, I love Turtleman, the Undertaker, the wrestler,
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  Speaker 2: of course, Nicola Jokic's brothers, Jason Momoa, a random high
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  Speaker 2: school defensive coordinator, slash history teacher and at number eleven
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  Speaker 2: in this tweet was Steve Ranella. Steve Varnella made the roster.
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  Speaker 4: One ahead of Saquon Barkley.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: I don't think he has the frame for it.
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  Speaker 2: No, No, would you guys want Steve on your your team?
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  Speaker 1: This is just an ode to Steve. It's not or ability.
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  Speaker 3: Only if Steve was charged with wearing it down in
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  Speaker 3: some sort of chase through hilly country.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, like if there was a debate at the beginning
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  Speaker 1: that Steve could engage the gorilla on Yeah. Yeah, possibly
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  Speaker 1: using the communication device and hands signals from the movie Congo.
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  Speaker 3: It's not in the book. In the book, they're just
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  Speaker 3: doing old fashioned American sign language. That's an element.
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  Speaker 2: When I lived back in South Dakota, I played town
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  Speaker 2: team baseball, which is like from eighteen years old up
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  Speaker 2: until whenever you retire, some guys playing into their forties.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's beautiful.
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  Speaker 2: There was a fan who would come to every game
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  Speaker 2: and if he'd see you around town, he'd maybe throw
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  Speaker 2: you a compliment. He'd say, oh, Spencer looking strong today.
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  Speaker 2: And I always like that that. That's a very nice
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  Speaker 2: compliment to give to another man. I gave that to
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  Speaker 2: Steve one day. I said, Steve looking strong today, and
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  Speaker 2: he didn't care for it. He said, what do you
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  Speaker 2: want to arm wrestle me or what? So, you know
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  Speaker 2: maybe what Freud.
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  Speaker 4: Would say about that, If.
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  Speaker 2: The gorilla can get Steve worked up, maybe maybe Steve
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  Speaker 2: would be acceptable on this roster as number eleven in
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  Speaker 2: the gorilla fighting cage manage. All right, we've determined that
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  Speaker 2: one hundred humans would easily dominate that gorilla, and we
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  Speaker 2: think the numbers closer to like twenty.
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  Speaker 4: Well, sorry, I know you're head for a segue here, Spencer,
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  Speaker 4: I'm gonna throw it off completely. Do you think how
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  Speaker 4: many humans would we lose in the process?
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  Speaker 3: Oh? I thought about this to a dozen? No, I
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  Speaker 3: think thirty thirty.
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  Speaker 2: You think he'd rip through thirty.
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  Speaker 1: I think you lose thirty percent of that roster at
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  Speaker 1: game time, like they just go no, No, I.
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  Speaker 3: Think the initial ten minutes. I just don't. I can't
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  Speaker 3: imagine what.
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  Speaker 2: I think. It depends if the fighting happens like a
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  Speaker 2: Jackie Chan movie where the warriors come at them and
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  Speaker 2: they like wait their turn. Yeah, we'll lose thirty for sure,
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  Speaker 2: but we could probably suffocate this thing with like fifteen people.
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  Speaker 3: The strength is just I don't think he can't.
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  Speaker 2: He can't punch fifteen people at once.
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  Speaker 3: I think he could. I think he.
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  Speaker 1: Could just physically tear them apart.
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  Speaker 3: I think he could hook us.
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  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I'm just saying I don't care who you are.
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  Speaker 1: Like you get in the in the cage with a gorilla.
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  Speaker 1: There's a large part of that roster that's gonna be, like,
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  Speaker 1: you know what, not worth it.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, not gonna happen.
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  Speaker 2: And Google says that their testicles and penis are quite
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  Speaker 2: hidden and small as far as primates go, so we
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  Speaker 2: can't count on that, yeah advantage.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's it's part of one of the issues with
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  Speaker 1: their genetic depth. Small wieners.
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  Speaker 2: Right. Moving on, Joining us on the line first is
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  Speaker 2: Duncan Murdoch, a paleontologist from the University of Oxford Museum
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  Speaker 2: of Natural History. He's here to talk about the Dinosaur
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  Speaker 2: Highway that was just discovered in England. Donkey, Welcome to
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  Speaker 2: the show.
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  Speaker 7: Hello, Mornie, how are you.
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  Speaker 2: We're good? First thing, doc in tell us how these
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  Speaker 2: two hundred tracks that came to be known as the
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  Speaker 2: Dinosaur Highway were discovered.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah, absolutely, So there's a quarry in the center of
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  Speaker 7: England near the city of Oxford where I am, where
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  Speaker 7: they're removing limestone to crush it up to useless gravel.
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  Speaker 7: And when they were removing that, they were slowly scraping
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  Speaker 7: off a layer of clay and the bucket on the
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  Speaker 7: dig felt a series of little bumps, so they thought, oh,
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  Speaker 7: that's strange, so they called us in from the museum
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  Speaker 7: to have a look at them, and we verified that
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  Speaker 7: they were in fact dinosaur footprints, and then we mounted
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  Speaker 7: an excavation to uncover the whole site and yeah, we
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  Speaker 7: found over two hundred individual prints from probably five different
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  Speaker 7: individual animals.
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  Speaker 2: That's wonderful now to describe how big the tracks are
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  Speaker 2: and how long this highway is.
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  Speaker 7: So most of them are are one kind of dinosaur,
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  Speaker 7: and they form these oval shapes that are about three
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  Speaker 7: feet long by about two feet wide and about nine
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  Speaker 7: inches deep something like that. But we see literally hundreds
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  Speaker 7: of these prints and they go The longest trackway is
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  Speaker 7: at least one hundred and fifty meters long, so it's
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  Speaker 7: a huge area that's crisscrossed with all these individual tracks.
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  Speaker 2: And how old are the tracks and what kind of
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  Speaker 2: dinosaur has made them.
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  Speaker 7: So this surface is from the middle part of the
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  Speaker 7: Jurassic Period, which is about one hundred and sixty six
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  Speaker 7: million years ago. At the time, it would have been
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  Speaker 7: a kind of lagoon near the edge of a continent.
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  Speaker 7: We see two different shape footprints, so most of them,
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  Speaker 7: like the one you're seeing on the screen, are quite rare,
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  Speaker 7: but most of them are these kind of oval shapes
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  Speaker 7: that would have been from a large bodied, four legged,
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  Speaker 7: long neck dinosaur, think something like a diplodocus or a brontosaurus. Yeah,
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  Speaker 7: just like that one there on the screen. And then
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  Speaker 7: we rarely see these three toad prints. If you've ever
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  Speaker 7: seen footprints of a wading bird on a beach, you
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  Speaker 7: see these three toad prints. We see exactly that, and
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  Speaker 7: they were from a very different kind of animal, the
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  Speaker 7: two legged, carnivorous meat eating theropod dinosaur called Megalosaurus.
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  Speaker 2: And does this area in England heavy history of dinosaur discovery.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 7: Absolutely. In fact, the first dinosaur ever named Megalosaurus. The
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  Speaker 7: fossils came from a little village called stones Field, just
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  Speaker 7: a few miles from where we find these footprints, in
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  Speaker 7: eighteen twenty four.
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  Speaker 2: It was first name.
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  Speaker 7: So just over two hundred years ago, so dinosaur science
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  Speaker 7: it's elf actually started here in Oxfordshire and it was
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  Speaker 7: really exciting that two hundred years later were still finding
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  Speaker 7: evidence about these animals in the form of their footprints
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  Speaker 7: in this quarry and.
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  Speaker 2: How long was the excavation process and what did that
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  Speaker 2: look like?
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  Speaker 7: Okay, So we first discovered these prints a couple of
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  Speaker 7: years ago and we uncovered a small number of them,
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  Speaker 7: realized it was a much bigger undertaking, so we put
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  Speaker 7: together a team between the University of Oxford and the
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  Speaker 7: University of Birmingham. Was myself, my colleague doctor m and Nichols,
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  Speaker 7: my colleagues Professor Kirsty Edgar, Professor Richard Butler in Birmingham,
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  Speaker 7: and we then put together a team of about one
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  Speaker 7: hundred people over the course of a week where we
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  Speaker 7: went out every day. Most of the time we were
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  Speaker 7: painstakingly removing a layer of clay that fills and covers
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  Speaker 7: these prints to uncover the hard limestone underneath, so carefully
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  Speaker 7: removing it with trowels and then sponging out the clay,
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  Speaker 7: eventually uncovering the whole site. Then there's a process of
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  Speaker 7: documentation where we took literally tens of thousands of photographs
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  Speaker 7: to try and capture every single print, as well as
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  Speaker 7: flying drones to capture the entire site and image the
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  Speaker 7: whole thing before it's then reburied.
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  Speaker 2: Now, you said that this area was a lagoon one
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  Speaker 2: hundred and sixty six million years ago. Talk more about
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  Speaker 2: what England as a whole looked like at that period.
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  Speaker 2: How that's different from today.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah, that's a really good question. So around say one
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  Speaker 7: hundred and sixt six million years ago, in the middle
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  Speaker 7: of the Jurassic, the continents as we know them today
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  Speaker 7: were starting to form. So there used to be this
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  Speaker 7: huge continent called Pangaea where pretty much all the continental
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  Speaker 7: land masses were together through the early part of the Jurassic,
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  Speaker 7: and these continents were breaking apart, so things like the
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  Speaker 7: Atlantic Ocean were forming. This created lots of volcanism, lots
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  Speaker 7: of volcano erupting in the rifting, and it created these
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  Speaker 7: shallow inland seaways that were forming as this continent was
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  Speaker 7: breaking apart. So England at the time in the middle
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  Speaker 7: Jurassic was underneath one of these shallow seaways. So if
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  Speaker 7: you imagine something like the Florida Keys today or the
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  Speaker 7: Bahamas Bank where you have these shallow seas with these
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  Speaker 7: beautiful clear waters with white sand being deposited, and nearby
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  Speaker 7: you have rivers washing materially into kind of in mangrove swamps,
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  Speaker 7: producing these lagoons behind where you get these sheltered environments.
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  Speaker 7: And it's in one of these lagoon environments that these
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  Speaker 7: dinosaurs were walking along, walking along what would have been
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  Speaker 7: a coastline one hundred and sixty six million years ago.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, so there were multiple dinosaurs who created this dinosaur highway.
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  Speaker 2: Do you think those dinosaurs interacted or was you know,
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  Speaker 2: these separated by potentially days years.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah, So the conditions needed to form these prints are
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  Speaker 7: very rare. So you need the mud to be just right.
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  Speaker 7: If you have mud that's too wet, then when you
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  Speaker 7: pull your foot out, it's just going to fill back
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  Speaker 7: in that hole. If the MUD's too dry, then even
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  Speaker 7: a tent on animal like Ctosaurus can't make a lasting impression.
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  Speaker 7: So we think these surfaces were only just right for
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  Speaker 7: probably a matter of weeks, maybe months, certainly within one season.
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  Speaker 7: So what we do find is lots of most of
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  Speaker 7: the prints are from the same kind of dinosaur, but
• 17:37
  Speaker 7: we find lots of different sizes so there's potential evidence
• 17:40
  Speaker 7: that these animals were moving in herds, showing a kind
• 17:43
  Speaker 7: of herding behavior with different individuals of different ages moving around.
• 17:48
  Speaker 7: Then the therapod princes meat eating Megalosaurus, they cross where
• 17:55
  Speaker 7: we see these larger herbivorous animals walking along. Although we
• 18:00
  Speaker 7: don't see any direct interaction between them, it's pretty safe
• 18:04
  Speaker 7: to assume that if you're a big meat eating dinosaur,
• 18:07
  Speaker 7: you're going to look for big plant eating dinosaurs to
• 18:10
  Speaker 7: prey upon. So there's a potential that we have interactions
• 18:15
  Speaker 7: between predator and prey, but we can't be sure because
• 18:18
  Speaker 7: all we're seeing these individual prints. But what we can
• 18:21
  Speaker 7: say is each one of those footprints is a single
• 18:24
  Speaker 7: moment in the life of an extinct animal. So we
• 18:27
  Speaker 7: get this amazing unique window into that very moment when
• 18:31
  Speaker 7: that animal put that foot in that exact location, and
• 18:34
  Speaker 7: you can go and put your foot in exactly the
• 18:36
  Speaker 7: same place. It's absolutely thrilling to do.
• 18:38
  Speaker 2: So from their brief window, what sorts of things can
• 18:41
  Speaker 2: paleontalogists learn.
• 18:43
  Speaker 7: So we're able to do things like reconstruct the environment
• 18:47
  Speaker 7: that these animals are living in. So as well as
• 18:48
  Speaker 7: the dinosaur footprints, we find smaller fossils, we find seashells,
• 18:55
  Speaker 7: we find bits of wood. We can also do things
• 18:58
  Speaker 7: that work out how fast these animals might have been moving.
• 19:01
  Speaker 7: So most of them seem to be moving at a
• 19:03
  Speaker 7: kind of average human walking pace, and so none of
• 19:06
  Speaker 7: them are going very fast. And we can estimate body
• 19:11
  Speaker 7: sizes from the spacing of the prince within the biggest
• 19:15
  Speaker 7: individuals for probably about sixteen meters long for the herbivores
• 19:19
  Speaker 7: and about eight or nine meters for the carnivores. And
• 19:25
  Speaker 7: we can also observe these interactions between species, so we
• 19:28
  Speaker 7: know that these two different species of dinosaur were in
• 19:32
  Speaker 7: the same place at roughly the same time, so we
• 19:35
  Speaker 7: can start to build a more complex picture of the
• 19:38
  Speaker 7: whole environment that they lived in.
• 19:41
  Speaker 4: Duncan.
• 19:41
  Speaker 1: This is an active quarry, that's right. What's the fate
• 19:46
  Speaker 1: of these tracks?
• 19:48
  Speaker 7: Yeah, so it's still an active quarry. They're still extracting limestone.
• 19:54
  Speaker 7: It's worth saying that if they hadn't been a quarrying
• 19:58
  Speaker 7: this stone, we would have never found the Prince. Is
• 20:01
  Speaker 7: absolutely because of this quarrying activity that we're able to
• 20:03
  Speaker 7: do this work and they don't extract the stone that
• 20:08
  Speaker 7: the prints are in it's no good. It's too it's
• 20:10
  Speaker 7: too soft and material, and so they aren't being damaged
• 20:16
  Speaker 7: or destroyed in any way by the action of the
• 20:19
  Speaker 7: of the quarry.
• 20:20
  Speaker 1: Have you ever heard of the meat Eater Land Access
• 20:23
  Speaker 1: Initiative where we provide access to more outdoor activity on
• 20:31
  Speaker 1: on land here in the States. Primarily what are the
• 20:34
  Speaker 1: chances that we don't need one of the fancy three
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: toad ones, but one of the oval tracks getting shipped
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: over here so we can action it off for public access.
• 20:44
  Speaker 7: So there's a there's a few problems. One is if
• 20:46
  Speaker 7: you try and actually cut out the prince, they basically
• 20:50
  Speaker 7: fall apart. You can only really see them in the field.
• 20:55
  Speaker 7: So right now they're not accessible and they're getting recovered
• 20:59
  Speaker 7: with to actually protect them, that's the best thing to do.
• 21:03
  Speaker 7: But we're working very closely with the quarry and Natural England,
• 21:06
  Speaker 7: who are the body that oversee these kinds of things
• 21:09
  Speaker 7: here in the UK, for plans for potential future access.
• 21:15
  Speaker 7: What you can do though, is you can virtually visit
• 21:17
  Speaker 7: this site. So we've created a three D model of
• 21:20
  Speaker 7: the whole area and not every single individual print. We're
• 21:25
  Speaker 7: currently working up publishing that and we're going to make
• 21:27
  Speaker 7: that publicly available to anyone in the world to download,
• 21:31
  Speaker 7: so you can virtually visit. So hopefully that will satisfy.
• 21:35
  Speaker 7: The other thing you can do is come to Oxford,
• 21:38
  Speaker 7: come to the Museum of Natural History, and we have
• 21:42
  Speaker 7: casts replicas of the prints on display at the moment,
• 21:46
  Speaker 7: So if any of your listeners are in the UK,
• 21:50
  Speaker 7: please do come to Oxford. You can get up close
• 21:52
  Speaker 7: and personal with a replica of the print.
• 21:55
  Speaker 2: Very exciting stuff. Thank you for joining us, dug In
• 21:59
  Speaker 2: and congrats on that discovery.
• 22:01
  Speaker 7: No Parblan, thank you very much.
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: I like to tell there was a clear convergence of
• 22:07
  Speaker 1: trails there. Oh yeah, like the ancient U version of
• 22:11
  Speaker 1: a white tail hunter had just post up right there.
• 22:13
  Speaker 2: That's right, Yeah, that's uh. You'd call that a pinch point.
• 22:17
  Speaker 2: Right here along this lagoon, we've got the shallow water ends.
• 22:20
  Speaker 2: Obviously dinosaurs like crossing this spot.
• 22:23
  Speaker 4: Wait, I was.
• 22:24
  Speaker 3: Sweet, all right?
• 22:27
  Speaker 2: Next up is the Turkey Report. Is there a sound
• 22:32
  Speaker 2: for this?
• 22:33
  Speaker 4: I don't have a sound for the I'm sorry.
• 22:34
  Speaker 2: I thought I heard a sound. Last week I played.
• 22:38
  Speaker 4: I played this.
• 22:39
  Speaker 3: Here we go, Bud, he's looking for the Turkey Report.
• 22:45
  Speaker 2: Today. We've got updates from Seth Morris, Max Barta, and
• 22:49
  Speaker 2: Tony Peterson.
• 22:50
  Speaker 8: Take it away, Phil, all right, Seth Morris here, coming
• 22:54
  Speaker 8: at you from Region one in Montana with your weekly
• 22:59
  Speaker 8: turkey report.
• 23:01
  Speaker 9: It's been a tough weekend of hunting. The birds are
• 23:06
  Speaker 9: the most hend up that I've seen so far this season.
• 23:10
  Speaker 9: It's even tough to get a bird to break around
• 23:13
  Speaker 9: that you know, ten to two time period, which is
• 23:16
  Speaker 9: usually some good killing hours. But I've been seeing gobblers
• 23:21
  Speaker 9: with hens all day long. They're just not leaving them,
• 23:25
  Speaker 9: and so that's made the hunting real tough, but.
• 23:30
  Speaker 4: Kind of gotta do. You can get a bird on
• 23:34
  Speaker 4: the ground.
• 23:36
  Speaker 9: I killed this one because I finally was able to
• 23:38
  Speaker 9: call the hens in and he came in with the hens,
• 23:43
  Speaker 9: but I couldn't get him to break from the hens.
• 23:45
  Speaker 9: So any way I could do it was getting the
• 23:47
  Speaker 9: hens to come in. And my wife, Kelsey, who's with
• 23:50
  Speaker 9: us too, she killed a bird yesterday morning.
• 23:53
  Speaker 2: So goodness.
• 23:54
  Speaker 4: That's your report. Good luck out there.
• 23:57
  Speaker 1: Hey guys.
• 23:58
  Speaker 6: Max Barter here, Central Tennessee Hunt Report. Things are weird
• 24:05
  Speaker 6: right now and it's the first week in May.
• 24:08
  Speaker 10: I feel like the birds have gone past their primetime
• 24:13
  Speaker 10: breeding cycle, and they're kind of on the downslope of things.
• 24:18
  Speaker 10: Birds are gobbling on the roost a couple of times,
• 24:20
  Speaker 10: but not much. And then yeah, I feel like once
• 24:24
  Speaker 10: they hit the ground and they're just not too keen
• 24:28
  Speaker 10: on coming into hank calls. So yeah, things are tough,
• 24:31
  Speaker 10: but I feel like if you stick it out and
• 24:35
  Speaker 10: work some ground, you'll find a bird that wants to gobble.
• 24:39
  Speaker 10: You only need one gobble and like you're in the game.
• 24:43
  Speaker 10: So that's what I did here. This bird came about
• 24:46
  Speaker 10: ten thirty, and yeah, it was. It was a great hunt.
• 24:53
  Speaker 10: And yeah, it's been raining the last couple of days too,
• 24:55
  Speaker 10: so I don't know if that's got the gobbling all
• 24:57
  Speaker 10: mixed up or anything like that. So yeah, beautiful day.
• 25:03
  Speaker 6: Happy camper, happy hunter, springs a beautiful thing.
• 25:08
  Speaker 11: Hey everyone, Tony Peterson here with a little turkey report.
• 25:12
  Speaker 11: I just got back from Kansas. Had an amazing hunt
• 25:14
  Speaker 11: down there in public Land, killed a bird, and I
• 25:16
  Speaker 11: just spent today, you know, drying out some beards, drying
• 25:21
  Speaker 11: out some tail. Fans from my daughters have killed a
• 25:23
  Speaker 11: few birds. I've killed a few in different states. The
• 25:26
  Speaker 11: hunting has been really good, but it has been kind
• 25:28
  Speaker 11: of a weird year, and I'm starting to see a
• 25:30
  Speaker 11: little transition right now where a lot of these birds
• 25:33
  Speaker 11: are switching to eating a lot of bugs, and the
• 25:37
  Speaker 11: hens are starting to nest. My whole drive home from Kansas,
• 25:39
  Speaker 11: all the way back here to Minnesota, there were lone
• 25:42
  Speaker 11: hens all over the place in the afternoon. And when
• 25:45
  Speaker 11: I see that, I don't know if you can hear
• 25:46
  Speaker 11: this or not, but there's a whole bunch of frogs
• 25:49
  Speaker 11: calling in my backyard pond. This is the time where
• 25:52
  Speaker 11: if you've been dealing with hend up birds, which a
• 25:54
  Speaker 11: lot of us have, should get really callable now.
• 26:00
  Speaker 2: Not right off the roost yet.
• 26:01
  Speaker 11: They might fly down strut for those hens for a while.
• 26:03
  Speaker 11: But those hens are gonna eat some bugs, They're gonna
• 26:05
  Speaker 11: scratch for some grain whatever, eat some fresh greenery. They're
• 26:08
  Speaker 11: gonna lay down, and these times are gonna start cruising.
• 26:11
  Speaker 11: And we always think that we're gonna hit that, you know,
• 26:13
  Speaker 11: a little bit earlier this far north. You know, down south,
• 26:15
  Speaker 11: it's a different story. But right now is the time
• 26:19
  Speaker 11: where if you have, if you have the ability to
• 26:21
  Speaker 11: hunt all day and work some setups through and fire
• 26:26
  Speaker 11: up that gobbler. Sometime in the midday or in the
• 26:28
  Speaker 11: in towards the evening. This is the time when it
• 26:30
  Speaker 11: matters a lot and it can get really good. So
• 26:33
  Speaker 11: I think it's I think they're gonna be super callable
• 26:35
  Speaker 11: from here for the next I don't know, ten days
• 26:38
  Speaker 11: or so, probably two weeks maybe, So it's a good
• 26:40
  Speaker 11: time to be out there.
• 26:41
  Speaker 3: Good luck.
• 26:43
  Speaker 2: Wow, three big time turkey killers there in Tony, Max
• 26:48
  Speaker 2: and Seth. We got a global show today. We got
• 26:50
  Speaker 2: dinosaur tracks from the UK, turkey reports from Middle Tennessee,
• 26:55
  Speaker 2: got everything.
• 26:56
  Speaker 1: I was dying to ask our dino guy if he
• 26:58
  Speaker 1: was a feather guy, to like, are they just big turkeys?
• 27:02
  Speaker 3: Mmm? I was I was dying to actually ask him
• 27:06
  Speaker 3: if the long neck dinosaurs he was referring to our
• 27:08
  Speaker 3: Sora pods, just to test my knowledge. But I didn't
• 27:12
  Speaker 3: want to sound like an idiot.
• 27:13
  Speaker 2: So you've always both had a chance to ask him
• 27:16
  Speaker 2: those questions.
• 27:17
  Speaker 4: I didn't think you have.
• 27:18
  Speaker 3: So many questions the University of Oxford. I was shaking
• 27:24
  Speaker 3: in my chance.
• 27:24
  Speaker 4: What's your favorite dinosaur? Oh?
• 27:27
  Speaker 2: You know what, that would have been good place they.
• 27:28
  Speaker 4: Could run fast. Sad you think a hundred velociraptors could
• 27:31
  Speaker 4: kill a gorilla.
• 27:32
  Speaker 3: Yeah, he use all of Timmy's bad dinosaur jokes from
• 27:38
  Speaker 3: another Michael Crichton joint, Jurassic Park.
• 27:41
  Speaker 2: Do you think I wasn't on last week's episode, but
• 27:44
  Speaker 2: I heard Phil give himself an invite to Randall's turkey hunt.
• 27:49
  Speaker 2: Are you aware of this? Randall?
• 27:52
  Speaker 3: Vaguely, I've tried to invite Phil to turkey hunts that
• 27:56
  Speaker 3: other people have invited me on.
• 27:57
  Speaker 12: Huh uh.
• 27:58
  Speaker 3: There isn't really a Randall turn turkey hunt.
• 28:00
  Speaker 4: Yeah, that's the thing. I wasn't inviting myself to any
• 28:02
  Speaker 4: sort of pre planned hunt. I said, you know, I
• 28:05
  Speaker 4: think it'd be fun if Randall wanted to go turkey hunting. Yeah,
• 28:07
  Speaker 4: that I joined it. I didn't invite myself. That was
• 28:11
  Speaker 4: a rude phrasing and I don't stand for it.
• 28:12
  Speaker 2: Phil, you should invite yourself exactly what.
• 28:15
  Speaker 3: I just tried to invite myself on the Max's turkey
• 28:18
  Speaker 3: hunting calendar for next week. So okay, if if Max
• 28:22
  Speaker 3: fits me in, Phil, uh clear your calendar?
• 28:25
  Speaker 4: All right? You would? So you'll invite me to maxis yes,
• 28:28
  Speaker 4: and we won't. We just won't tell Max.
• 28:30
  Speaker 3: No, No, I'll tell Max. But he's pretty easy going.
• 28:33
  Speaker 4: Okay, that'd be wonderful. That sounds like a blast.
• 28:35
  Speaker 3: I just like the vibe of Max's video. It sort
• 28:38
  Speaker 3: of started out. I wasn't sure where it was going.
• 28:40
  Speaker 3: But these turkey guys love the reveal where they can
• 28:43
  Speaker 3: just twist their body a little corn change, the alter
• 28:47
  Speaker 3: the angle of the camera.
• 28:48
  Speaker 4: Tough.
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: Not a lot of guys could do it, did the
• 28:50
  Speaker 1: same things we go outside.
• 28:53
  Speaker 4: But this guy made a mistake.
• 28:56
  Speaker 3: Guy, the guy of Max's eye can pull that off
• 28:58
  Speaker 3: with a turkey, but not like a bull moose. I'd
• 29:01
  Speaker 3: like to just see how large of an animal I
• 29:03
  Speaker 3: can hide with my torso in a video.
• 29:06
  Speaker 2: Now, yeah, Phil did not invite himself, but that's me
• 29:09
  Speaker 2: telling Phil he should invite himself that way into a
• 29:12
  Speaker 2: turkey hunt. Rail all right, we're halfway through the show.
• 29:15
  Speaker 2: Let's get a break for some listener feedback.
• 29:17
  Speaker 4: Sure, let's let's start out with the big one. Jody says,
• 29:21
  Speaker 4: can cal expand on the late Night Amendment to sell
• 29:24
  Speaker 4: public lands in the House budget package, and.
• 29:26
  Speaker 3: In parentheses it says in under two minutes, I.
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: Think, okay, yeah, okay, very very quickly. Reconciliation is super
• 29:33
  Speaker 1: scary because there is a process a public process that
• 29:41
  Speaker 1: allows for the sale of small parcels of public land
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: to address all the needs that these people are saying
• 29:49
  Speaker 1: they're trying to address, such as public housing, infrastructure, restraints
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: on rural communities, et cetera. In reconciliation, they're trying to
• 30:01
  Speaker 1: push this through under the normal process. Sorry to back
• 30:06
  Speaker 1: up one second, under the normal process, which would be
• 30:09
  Speaker 1: like flippa and flip moa, lots of acronyms in the
• 30:13
  Speaker 1: government game, we can deal with giving up some parcels
• 30:19
  Speaker 1: of public land because that cash then goes towards the
• 30:25
  Speaker 1: purchase of lands of greater value for the American people.
• 30:30
  Speaker 1: So it's kind of built on a win win system.
• 30:33
  Speaker 1: The municipality that's constrained gets a little more space for
• 30:37
  Speaker 1: water projects or housing in this case, and we the
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: American people, get a quote unquote better chunk of ground.
• 30:47
  Speaker 1: It's a square fair deal. This reconciliation BS, if I'm
• 30:52
  Speaker 1: being frank, is not going to ding our national debt
• 30:56
  Speaker 1: at all. There's absolutely no guidelines say this is how
• 31:01
  Speaker 1: it's going to address the sale of land, the staking
• 31:04
  Speaker 1: of our federally managed public lands with a big for
• 31:08
  Speaker 1: sale sign. There's no guidelines that say this is how
• 31:12
  Speaker 1: it's going to alleviate housing or provide any value for
• 31:16
  Speaker 1: the American people. Add some context, explain sale will go
• 31:22
  Speaker 1: into the treasury. The dollars from that sale will go
• 31:25
  Speaker 1: into the treasury. There's no public process.
• 31:29
  Speaker 2: Go ahead, Spencer, explain what happened last night at midnight
• 31:32
  Speaker 2: as to why this is being brought up.
• 31:35
  Speaker 1: Basically, there's a very short timeline to get this budget through.
• 31:41
  Speaker 1: Memorial Day weekend is like the goal, the stated goal
• 31:44
  Speaker 1: from the outset. So folks are starting to scramble, and
• 31:48
  Speaker 1: when you're scrambling, there's opportunities to slide in things to say, oh, yeah,
• 31:53
  Speaker 1: we'll totally give you what you want, but here's this
• 31:56
  Speaker 1: thing that you got to sign off on. And so
• 31:59
  Speaker 1: at eleven last night, Arizona and Utah slid in this
• 32:09
  Speaker 1: provision for the sale of public lands. Right now, there's
• 32:12
  Speaker 1: no context as to how many acres that is, but
• 32:15
  Speaker 1: we're hearing numbers as high as six hundred and fifty
• 32:18
  Speaker 1: thousand acres, which is something that you can't do under
• 32:21
  Speaker 1: the Flipma process. And we don't know how these lands
• 32:26
  Speaker 1: have been selected what they're trying to address. All we
• 32:31
  Speaker 1: know is this is a major opportunity for folks that
• 32:34
  Speaker 1: want to get this done. And by and large, the
• 32:38
  Speaker 1: vast majority of the American public do not agree with this.
• 32:43
  Speaker 1: So this is a very small group of interests being
• 32:48
  Speaker 1: prioritized over we the American people, and nobody should stand
• 32:52
  Speaker 1: for this. You need to get on the horns with
• 32:53
  Speaker 1: your senators and representatives in the House. And I've been
• 32:59
  Speaker 1: doing this all morning and a last night. It's not
• 33:02
  Speaker 1: that hard, but you need to send your emails, your
• 33:04
  Speaker 1: phone calls and talk to staffers and say, hey, I
• 33:08
  Speaker 1: do not like where this is headed.
• 33:10
  Speaker 2: And for more on this, we've got coverage on the
• 33:12
  Speaker 2: medeater dot com. We just published an article Republicans vote
• 33:16
  Speaker 2: to sell public land in midnight Amendment. You'll get a
• 33:20
  Speaker 2: fuller story there.
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: And it's like, we're selling things that can make us
• 33:24
  Speaker 1: money and when you're trying to dig yourself out of debt,
• 33:29
  Speaker 1: that's not what you do.
• 33:31
  Speaker 2: Bill. What else you got?
• 33:33
  Speaker 4: McKenna says, let's go Oklahoma City. What do you think
• 33:36
  Speaker 4: about that? Spencer?
• 33:37
  Speaker 2: I was just an ass whooping of epic proportions last night.
• 33:40
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 33:40
  Speaker 4: That Mitchell follows up with what the Nuggets need to
• 33:43
  Speaker 4: do to make the fix from last night.
• 33:45
  Speaker 3: Ruffalos.
• 33:46
  Speaker 2: I'll be real quick. Michael Porter Junior is not good enough.
• 33:49
  Speaker 2: He's way too hurt. Jamal Murray has not been a
• 33:53
  Speaker 2: second fiddle lately. He's good enough to be a third fiddle,
• 33:55
  Speaker 2: he's not been good enough to be a second fiddle.
• 33:57
  Speaker 2: And we have two shallow of a bench. So a
• 33:59
  Speaker 2: lot of issues that can't be fixed with basketball. You
• 34:03
  Speaker 2: just see Nicola Jokic to go god mode.
• 34:06
  Speaker 3: That's in big Westbrook energy. That's right.
• 34:08
  Speaker 2: Russell Westbrook has been phenomenal. Good on ross.
• 34:12
  Speaker 4: Fun to see us anything else from Dan Pooper real
• 34:15
  Speaker 4: name A question for the lads. Do you guys have
• 34:17
  Speaker 4: a vintage piece of gear do you prefer or think
• 34:20
  Speaker 4: is superior to modern current? It's dB Pooper. Oh, that's good.
• 34:25
  Speaker 4: That is good.
• 34:25
  Speaker 3: When I was at the when I was at the
• 34:27
  Speaker 3: Blazers game, I don't remember the guy's initials. One of
• 34:29
  Speaker 3: the one of the rotation guys for the for the Blazers,
• 34:34
  Speaker 3: his initials are dB. And when it's score, they go
• 34:36
  Speaker 3: dB Hooper and they had like a sketch, you know
• 34:40
  Speaker 3: if dB Cooper, but it was the player's face in there.
• 34:43
  Speaker 3: I thought it was very clever.
• 34:44
  Speaker 4: Oh yeah, because he landed not not too far.
• 34:46
  Speaker 2: From back to mister pooper here, Cal, any vintage piece
• 34:50
  Speaker 2: of gear that you really really.
• 34:52
  Speaker 1: Like, knives, hatchets, axes, all those things can be multiple
• 34:58
  Speaker 1: lifetime pieces of year. I think everybody's got something that
• 35:02
  Speaker 1: they're attached to in that lineup. Also, can't beat just
• 35:08
  Speaker 1: cannot be a good pair of wool pants for out
• 35:12
  Speaker 1: outdoor activities.
• 35:14
  Speaker 2: Yeah, knife is a good one. Dutch oven too, Oh yeah,
• 35:17
  Speaker 2: there you go.
• 35:18
  Speaker 1: Cast iron.
• 35:19
  Speaker 2: Got an old Dutch oven that I really love, and
• 35:22
  Speaker 2: that's the Dutch oven all on for the rest of
• 35:23
  Speaker 2: my life, I think, randall anything to add.
• 35:27
  Speaker 3: I think the closest thing I have to a vintage
• 35:30
  Speaker 3: piece of gear that easily comes to mind is just
• 35:33
  Speaker 3: an old ass grum and canoe. It's just a timeless piece. Yeah,
• 35:38
  Speaker 3: craigslist score. Yeah, it will serve you well.
• 35:41
  Speaker 6: Phil.
• 35:42
  Speaker 2: Let's do one more and then we're gonna move on.
• 35:44
  Speaker 4: Sure, because we got Cal in the room. Not that
• 35:47
  Speaker 4: you two are, you know? Flying Taco Mouse says he's
• 35:52
  Speaker 4: making or they're making green ear stuffed bred today. Any
• 35:54
  Speaker 4: suggestions for what dish to pair it with? Guessing wild game,
• 35:59
  Speaker 4: we're talking here whoa man sink? Yeah, that's stinky cheese.
• 36:05
  Speaker 4: Any any sort of any any sort of a pairing.
• 36:08
  Speaker 1: You'd yeah, media, I mean just medium rare cut against
• 36:12
  Speaker 1: the grain meat that sounds delicious.
• 36:16
  Speaker 4: Maybe a little fresh.
• 36:16
  Speaker 1: Onion on there, like that too.
• 36:19
  Speaker 4: There you go make it extra stinky.
• 36:22
  Speaker 10: All right.
• 36:22
  Speaker 2: Our next segment is one minute Fishing.
• 36:26
  Speaker 9: Do I feel lucky?
• 36:28
  Speaker 2: We'll do you dunk, go ahead, make my cast. One
• 36:35
  Speaker 2: minute Fishing is where we go live to someone who's
• 36:37
  Speaker 2: fishing and they have one minute to catch fish, and
• 36:39
  Speaker 2: if they're successful, we'll make a five hundred dollars donation
• 36:42
  Speaker 2: to a conservation group. This week, our wrangler is Seth Morris,
• 36:46
  Speaker 2: who's at the meat Eater HQ pond and he's fishing
• 36:49
  Speaker 2: for a donation to Wiley is Unlimited.
• 36:51
  Speaker 3: Good to see us, Seth, Hey, guys, how are we doing.
• 36:55
  Speaker 2: We're doing good? Seth. Give us a little scouting report
• 36:58
  Speaker 2: on the meat eater pond today.
• 37:01
  Speaker 9: All right, So I came out earlier. I made a
• 37:03
  Speaker 9: couple casts. I had one swipe at it, which was
• 37:06
  Speaker 9: ideal because I didn't actually want to catch one, and
• 37:09
  Speaker 9: that told me all I need to know. So there's
• 37:11
  Speaker 9: some water flowing into this pond and seems like they're
• 37:15
  Speaker 9: stacked up over there in the current.
• 37:17
  Speaker 2: What's the water couler do you like today?
• 37:20
  Speaker 9: It's pretty good. I'd say three feet four feet. And
• 37:24
  Speaker 9: I will say, though, we just talked to a youngster
• 37:26
  Speaker 9: that was fishing in the same spot when we came
• 37:29
  Speaker 9: out here, and he said he had not caught anything.
• 37:33
  Speaker 1: Oh no, But did you give me the old brush
• 37:36
  Speaker 1: off where you're like, oh yeah, there's nothing in there.
• 37:38
  Speaker 4: Beat it.
• 37:40
  Speaker 3: Maybe you thought you were a jump.
• 37:42
  Speaker 9: When you get a few more years of experience under
• 37:44
  Speaker 9: your belt like I have, maybe you'll catch them.
• 37:47
  Speaker 2: What what are we using today, Seth? I see you
• 37:49
  Speaker 2: got the spinning rod in your hands.
• 37:50
  Speaker 9: Oh yeah, spinning rod as always number four panther Martin.
• 37:56
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna go to every child needs one of those.
• 38:00
  Speaker 2: It's right. We have not had a successful angler on
• 38:03
  Speaker 2: the meat eater pond yet, and this is our first
• 38:05
  Speaker 2: one minute fishing of the year since the ice has melted,
• 38:09
  Speaker 2: so maybe this is our chance. Seth.
• 38:11
  Speaker 9: Yeah, I would say this is the best time to
• 38:14
  Speaker 9: fish this pond. Oh ye, all right, experience, we'll see.
• 38:18
  Speaker 2: A little hot tip off.
• 38:20
  Speaker 3: How's the garbage situation? Down there, good flow.
• 38:24
  Speaker 9: Well, I noticed over here is a pile of plastic
• 38:27
  Speaker 9: bottles yep, okay, which isn't great.
• 38:30
  Speaker 3: Yeah, we're gonna do clean up on that on Monday.
• 38:32
  Speaker 3: As an office uh huh.
• 38:34
  Speaker 2: And we've got I think we've got as many employees
• 38:36
  Speaker 2: here as there are pieces of trash out there, So
• 38:38
  Speaker 2: maybe leave some garbage while you're out there, Seth, trip
• 38:41
  Speaker 2: over or dump over the dumpster so we have something
• 38:44
  Speaker 2: to clean up next week.
• 38:46
  Speaker 9: Oh, there is a garbage can of tipped over over here.
• 38:48
  Speaker 2: So okay, perfect, kick that thing into the water for us.
• 38:51
  Speaker 2: All right, Seth, your one minute of fishing starts as
• 38:54
  Speaker 2: soon as you make your first cast.
• 38:55
  Speaker 1: Go ahead, all right, there we go.
• 39:00
  Speaker 2: Mm hmm. Seth's made his first cast right towards the
• 39:04
  Speaker 2: current that he thinks the fish are hanging in.
• 39:06
  Speaker 4: Got new music, Phil, Oh No, it just starts off
• 39:09
  Speaker 4: really silent and then gets way too loud.
• 39:11
  Speaker 2: Beautiful day here in Bozeman. We've got green grass, no wind.
• 39:15
  Speaker 3: Had a glassy water.
• 39:16
  Speaker 2: Uh huh. All right, Seth is on the cast number two,
• 39:18
  Speaker 2: and he's got twenty seconds into his one minute.
• 39:22
  Speaker 3: Somehow he managed to avoid casting it into that tree
• 39:25
  Speaker 3: where I cast.
• 39:26
  Speaker 2: It, Seth thirty seconds ago. Come on, Seth, he's making
• 39:34
  Speaker 2: his third cast. He might be able to get one
• 39:36
  Speaker 2: more cast in here.
• 39:37
  Speaker 3: Do it for the memory of Chester.
• 39:40
  Speaker 2: All right, ches's still very much alive, just a few
• 39:44
  Speaker 2: states away, basically dead. All right, you have ten seconds
• 39:49
  Speaker 2: to go, Seth. Always taken a few steps with that cast.
• 39:52
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a tournament angler cast right there.
• 39:56
  Speaker 2: Oh, your time is up, Seth Morris, tell us, tell
• 40:01
  Speaker 2: us what what happened there? Seth?
• 40:04
  Speaker 9: Well, you know, the cast were in the right spot,
• 40:08
  Speaker 9: the technique was there, just I don't think the fish
• 40:11
  Speaker 9: were there.
• 40:12
  Speaker 2: The fish were yeah, yeah, okay, all right.
• 40:17
  Speaker 9: We might need to rethink.
• 40:21
  Speaker 2: Spot or we need to we need to stock that pond.
• 40:24
  Speaker 2: Maybe that's what we gotta do.
• 40:25
  Speaker 3: This segment continues to just produce.
• 40:30
  Speaker 9: I think next time we need to go with a
• 40:33
  Speaker 9: bobber and a night crawler.
• 40:35
  Speaker 2: Yeah or yeah, do one of each? Have that? Have
• 40:38
  Speaker 2: a bobber and a night crawler out there and throw
• 40:40
  Speaker 2: your panther Martin.
• 40:41
  Speaker 4: Well, I don't know if he's in a two rob zone.
• 40:44
  Speaker 4: Check check the eggs.
• 40:46
  Speaker 2: We'll see what the REGs say about the mediatory h
• 40:48
  Speaker 2: Q pond all right, Seth, thanks for joining us. Good
• 40:51
  Speaker 2: luck with your day of fishing out there at the pond.
• 40:54
  Speaker 3: Seeing a little bit says we'll see you.
• 40:57
  Speaker 2: All right. Our next segment is show and tell.
• 41:00
  Speaker 12: Mm hmm, Manie a show down, Manie a show had
• 41:08
  Speaker 12: step boom, Manie a show.
• 41:14
  Speaker 2: No, Spencer brought a rock?
• 41:17
  Speaker 4: What else did you inspect?
• 41:20
  Speaker 5: Is that?
• 41:20
  Speaker 12: Uh?
• 41:21
  Speaker 2: Is that Steve Winwood? It is indeed Steve Winwood.
• 41:24
  Speaker 4: I love a song.
• 41:26
  Speaker 2: Uh back in the high life again. If I owned
• 41:28
  Speaker 2: a yacht, I'd play yacht rock all day and Steve
• 41:31
  Speaker 2: Winwood he.
• 41:32
  Speaker 4: Would yacht rock all day in my Hyundai Santa Fe. Spencer,
• 41:35
  Speaker 4: do you have serious ExM No, I just spotify plist. Yeah.
• 41:38
  Speaker 2: I love when I did have serious though I would.
• 41:42
  Speaker 2: Yacht rock was one of my five presets on there.
• 41:45
  Speaker 2: I loved yacht rock and Steve Winwood he would have
• 41:48
  Speaker 2: some prime real estate in that yacht rock playlist for certain.
• 41:52
  Speaker 2: All right, Randal, let's start with you. What did you
• 41:54
  Speaker 2: bring to show the classroom today?
• 41:56
  Speaker 3: I brought one item from home, and then when I
• 41:59
  Speaker 3: got to the off today, I thought I'd add another
• 42:01
  Speaker 3: item today, and I figured that col didn't bring something,
• 42:04
  Speaker 3: so I thought, I'll just do twos.
• 42:09
  Speaker 2: What you brought, and then we'll find out.
• 42:11
  Speaker 3: So the first thing I brought, The first thing I
• 42:12
  Speaker 3: brought is a rare limited edition. You know, we've been
• 42:15
  Speaker 3: hearing from the fans that they needed a book version
• 42:19
  Speaker 3: of the audio Mountain Man. This is, in fact not
• 42:24
  Speaker 3: a licensed version. This is just some bootleg thing that
• 42:27
  Speaker 3: a guy produced with chat, GPT and A and a
• 42:32
  Speaker 3: print as you buy system. So I saw this on Amazon,
• 42:36
  Speaker 3: and before the lawyers could take it down, I ordered
• 42:38
  Speaker 3: a copy for eleven dollars.
• 42:40
  Speaker 2: Oh wait, this guy didn't do this is like a
• 42:41
  Speaker 2: favor to us. He was trying, no, no legit.
• 42:44
  Speaker 3: This was just show showed up on her on our
• 42:47
  Speaker 3: audiobook thing. Yeah, and so it's it doesn't have a
• 42:50
  Speaker 3: back cover, and it's it's very strange.
• 42:53
  Speaker 4: There's like, so to create your own back cover.
• 42:56
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and and clearly they fed so that The one
• 42:58
  Speaker 3: troubling thing, and maybe this is a big takeaway, is
• 43:01
  Speaker 3: you hear how like artificial intelligence is getting so good
• 43:06
  Speaker 3: and it's just like all it can do is is
• 43:08
  Speaker 3: look at text and predict what text there should be,
• 43:11
  Speaker 3: you know, And I read this and it's horrible.
• 43:14
  Speaker 2: Oh and so are not your words that are well right?
• 43:17
  Speaker 3: They fed our audio into chat ept and they had
• 43:20
  Speaker 3: it make something that sounded like that. And so this
• 43:23
  Speaker 3: is so bad it's making me sort of rethink my
• 43:25
  Speaker 3: own abilities as a writer.
• 43:27
  Speaker 4: Sorry, I just got word from Corey Seth Coott went
• 43:30
  Speaker 4: on the next cast.
• 43:32
  Speaker 2: We need to make it.
• 43:35
  Speaker 3: So, guys, if you see if you see any print
• 43:37
  Speaker 3: versions of our audiobooks, they are in fact illegal pirated versions,
• 43:44
  Speaker 3: and don't buy them unless you just want a funny keepsake,
• 43:48
  Speaker 3: which I did.
• 43:48
  Speaker 2: So you should have got what was that guy charging
• 43:51
  Speaker 2: for that box? Okay?
• 43:52
  Speaker 3: Yeah?
• 43:52
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 43:53
  Speaker 3: The next thing I brought is uh the oldest, the
• 43:57
  Speaker 3: oldest and more most celebrate freeze dried meal in my pantry.
• 44:02
  Speaker 3: This is a Cincinnati style chili backpacker's pantry that I
• 44:06
  Speaker 3: purchased at the Bozeman ARII. I believe in like twenty sixteen.
• 44:10
  Speaker 2: Oh when did it expire?
• 44:11
  Speaker 3: The expiration date was in May of last year. Oh,
• 44:15
  Speaker 3: and you can see some of the labels are peeling
• 44:19
  Speaker 3: off of it. And I've always saved this for a
• 44:21
  Speaker 3: real special occasion and uh ate it right now. The
• 44:26
  Speaker 3: time is never right, so it always goes into my
• 44:29
  Speaker 3: backpack when I'm going out on a hunt where I
• 44:31
  Speaker 3: think I'm gonna, you know, have a memorable moment that
• 44:33
  Speaker 3: I want to celebrate with a fake version of Cincinnati
• 44:37
  Speaker 3: style chili.
• 44:37
  Speaker 2: What would it take?
• 44:38
  Speaker 3: You think, big old, big old bowl? But then I
• 44:41
  Speaker 3: get into a rush, you know, I get an animal down,
• 44:43
  Speaker 3: I start cutting it up, and then I start thinking
• 44:45
  Speaker 3: about how I can get it out of there. So
• 44:47
  Speaker 3: it's really like I'd have to be trapped on the
• 44:49
  Speaker 3: mountain with the an animal of a lifetime for me
• 44:53
  Speaker 3: to actually tear the seal on this, because I don't
• 44:54
  Speaker 3: think they make it anymore.
• 44:55
  Speaker 2: How does the seal feel on that thing? It's eight
• 44:57
  Speaker 2: years old?
• 44:58
  Speaker 3: Oh that's a good question.
• 45:00
  Speaker 2: Pretty good.
• 45:01
  Speaker 3: You know it doesn't like balloon out?
• 45:04
  Speaker 2: Uh huh?
• 45:04
  Speaker 3: When I yeah, I don't think it's airtight. Okay, I'm
• 45:09
  Speaker 3: just I hadn't really thought about it. I've rolled it
• 45:11
  Speaker 3: up and put in my backpack a lot over.
• 45:12
  Speaker 2: The past ten years, gone with though on a lot
• 45:15
  Speaker 2: of trips.
• 45:15
  Speaker 3: Yes, it's kind of like an old friend.
• 45:17
  Speaker 2: Now, was it saved for a special occasion the day
• 45:20
  Speaker 2: you bought it? Or did that recently change where it's like, Okay,
• 45:23
  Speaker 2: now I was.
• 45:24
  Speaker 3: I mean, I was thrilled when I found it, and
• 45:25
  Speaker 3: I should have bought a lot of them. It wasn't No,
• 45:28
  Speaker 3: I didn't like buy it with the intention of saving it,
• 45:30
  Speaker 3: but it just never felt right to break into it.
• 45:33
  Speaker 3: And then over time it was like, I've got to
• 45:36
  Speaker 3: pick the right occasion. So probably three years after this
• 45:39
  Speaker 3: went in and out of my backpack, I decided it's
• 45:42
  Speaker 3: a real thing to actually eat it someday, And to
• 45:46
  Speaker 3: be honest, I don't know that I ever will. I
• 45:48
  Speaker 3: think my best days are behind me, and I also
• 45:51
  Speaker 3: lack the courage of conviction required to do something like,
• 45:55
  Speaker 3: you know, taking a moment and celebrate my accomplishments.
• 45:58
  Speaker 2: So I hope it happens this fall y, Does that
• 46:00
  Speaker 2: mean you killed something big?
• 46:01
  Speaker 3: Well, tuck this under my arm pit when I'm heading
• 46:04
  Speaker 3: six feet under.
• 46:05
  Speaker 2: Okay, that's good, cat. What'd you bring today for show
• 46:08
  Speaker 2: and tell? Prove Randa wrong at least taking a shoe off?
• 46:14
  Speaker 4: All right? What do you got here? Just incredibly on brand?
• 46:17
  Speaker 4: Do we have a QVC style? Just imagine we're playing
• 46:23
  Speaker 4: playing the music from the countdown? Just some some socks.
• 46:28
  Speaker 1: Lots of folks were into crocks I discovered these birken
• 46:33
  Speaker 1: Stocks versions of a croc. You can call them a
• 46:36
  Speaker 1: Burkeen croc. Oh lighter weight, I'll be the judge of
• 46:42
  Speaker 1: that lighter weight obviously weight class. Here, great camp shoe,
• 46:51
  Speaker 1: backpacking shoe.
• 46:52
  Speaker 2: Uh huh.
• 46:53
  Speaker 1: And you know it's retal molded, doesn't stinko super comfey.
• 46:58
  Speaker 2: Good smell it, Randall, see if it smells or not?
• 47:03
  Speaker 3: No, you got to smell the insider.
• 47:04
  Speaker 2: H yeah, well yeah it's good. Let Randall. I'm not
• 47:07
  Speaker 2: saying smell it.
• 47:09
  Speaker 3: No, it smells like feet. It literally just smells like
• 47:13
  Speaker 3: a shoe.
• 47:13
  Speaker 1: But I highly recommend they were thirty bucks.
• 47:15
  Speaker 2: Uh huh. Cal's show intel item with the shoes on
• 47:18
  Speaker 2: his feet.
• 47:19
  Speaker 4: Yeah, that's good. Grant Grant asks is it breathable?
• 47:23
  Speaker 12: No?
• 47:24
  Speaker 4: No, well okay, I can't have it all not much
• 47:27
  Speaker 4: of a QBC.
• 47:27
  Speaker 3: Second, all right, my Show and Tell item, Well we'll
• 47:31
  Speaker 3: get better phil and and and listeners. Listeners if you're
• 47:34
  Speaker 3: out there.
• 47:35
  Speaker 4: Uh but wait, there's more.
• 47:37
  Speaker 3: Chime in with your thoughts on whether or not Cal
• 47:39
  Speaker 3: intended to use his shoe for Show and Tell today.
• 47:42
  Speaker 2: Why don't you show us that hoodie you were? And
• 47:44
  Speaker 2: uh maybe maybe the Eddie mug you're drinking out of
• 47:46
  Speaker 2: next time.
• 47:47
  Speaker 4: Oh yeah, no problem.
• 47:48
  Speaker 1: I was going to do this talk about this program
• 47:51
  Speaker 1: that Pheasants Forever Quail Forever together.
• 47:54
  Speaker 2: Well, you got to say something for more show and tells.
• 47:57
  Speaker 3: Yeah, hopefully that show tell is is the winter time
• 48:00
  Speaker 3: again when he has as many layers as he needs
• 48:02
  Speaker 3: to come up with a good item.
• 48:05
  Speaker 1: Providing value to our audience.
• 48:06
  Speaker 2: Huh, my show and tell it. I'm friends with the
• 48:09
  Speaker 2: fossil dealer in Utah. It's visiting visiting his shop, and
• 48:15
  Speaker 2: I had two hundred dollars cash in my pickup and
• 48:17
  Speaker 2: I said, Seth, Seth, what's the coolest thing I could
• 48:20
  Speaker 2: get for two hundred dollars? And he pointed to what
• 48:23
  Speaker 2: I have here. This is one I only have like
• 48:25
  Speaker 2: three rocks that I've ever bought. The rest that I've found,
• 48:28
  Speaker 2: and this, in honor of today's show, is a dinosaur
• 48:31
  Speaker 2: tract that he sold me far far far under value.
• 48:36
  Speaker 2: This is worth way more than two hundred dollars. And
• 48:38
  Speaker 2: I protested for a second. I says, Seth, you can't
• 48:42
  Speaker 2: give me that thing for two hundred dollars, and he said,
• 48:44
  Speaker 2: sure I can, And so I didn't argue anymore. I
• 48:46
  Speaker 2: just took that dang track. This is two hundred million
• 48:50
  Speaker 2: years old. It's from a delufhosauruss Delafosaurus. It's found in
• 48:56
  Speaker 2: Connecticut from the Portland Formation. Hmm. This dinosaur was made
• 49:01
  Speaker 2: famous in Jurassic Park, but they depicted them way way wrong.
• 49:05
  Speaker 3: A lot of creative liberties. Mm hmm.
• 49:07
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 49:07
  Speaker 2: So in Jurassic Park they had them as like a
• 49:10
  Speaker 2: smaller dinosaur that had frills. When it would get angry,
• 49:14
  Speaker 2: it would would pop these frills off on.
• 49:15
  Speaker 3: Them spit in acidic venom. That's Dennis Nedri when he
• 49:19
  Speaker 3: wrecked his cheap to Costa Rica.
• 49:24
  Speaker 2: Uh huh, he needed that. It did spit venom in
• 49:27
  Speaker 2: the movie. These dinosaurs, Uh, they do not believe spit venom.
• 49:31
  Speaker 2: They don't think there was any dinosaurs that even possessed venom,
• 49:34
  Speaker 2: so that those were a lot of creative liberties.
• 49:36
  Speaker 4: The reality is actually it wouldn't be venom though, right.
• 49:39
  Speaker 1: It was just like an acidic phlegm, which would be
• 49:42
  Speaker 1: something that reptiles some reptiles these days have right, it's
• 49:47
  Speaker 1: just an acid to digest food.
• 49:49
  Speaker 2: But palaeontologists don't. They have no evidence that any of
• 49:53
  Speaker 2: these dinosaurs had any kind of venom or or any
• 49:56
  Speaker 2: sort of biological functions.
• 49:58
  Speaker 3: Right, It was just going wild with that.
• 49:59
  Speaker 1: But that that's the fun part is we don't have
• 50:02
  Speaker 1: that much evidence sure as to what exactly.
• 50:07
  Speaker 2: What they do think they know about these dinosaurs. This
• 50:09
  Speaker 2: is one of the first large meat eating dinosaurs that existed.
• 50:13
  Speaker 2: They stood about six feet tall, twenty feet long, weighed
• 50:16
  Speaker 2: nine hundred pounds, and at the time this was the
• 50:19
  Speaker 2: largest land mammal in North America that made this here track.
• 50:24
  Speaker 2: This is one of my favorite rocks.
• 50:25
  Speaker 1: Put your hand next to that thing.
• 50:27
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's tiny. Yeah, That's what's funny about Jurassic Park
• 50:32
  Speaker 3: is that he makes the the Delaphosaurus a small, sort
• 50:36
  Speaker 3: of cute dinosaur, and then the velociraptor. They make much larger,
• 50:41
  Speaker 3: way larger than it was. So you know, do your research, kids.
• 50:46
  Speaker 2: That's right, It's one of my favorite rocks. I have
• 50:49
  Speaker 2: one of the few rocks that I've purchased. I asked Seth,
• 50:52
  Speaker 2: I says, Seth, you ever sold stuff to us to
• 50:55
  Speaker 2: anyone really famous, like a list celebrity or big politician.
• 51:00
  Speaker 2: And he says, yep, Carl, who are they? He says,
• 51:04
  Speaker 2: I can't tell you. And then I'm like, well, I
• 51:07
  Speaker 2: begged him. I said, will you give me a hint?
• 51:09
  Speaker 2: Can I make some guesses? He goes nope. So if
• 51:11
  Speaker 2: you're looking to if you're a famous personal.
• 51:14
  Speaker 4: I mean just between the the movie prop that they
• 51:18
  Speaker 4: you can't say what it's from. Why are these people
• 51:20
  Speaker 4: so secretive about this?
• 51:21
  Speaker 3: Just tell us, Yeah, we're in showbiz, we can take it.
• 51:24
  Speaker 2: Yeah, But if you're looking if maybe if you were
• 51:27
  Speaker 2: like a star on Parks and Rec and you consume
• 51:29
  Speaker 2: me eater content, you're looking for a fossil for your
• 51:32
  Speaker 2: own home. Seth Sorenson from the Fossil Shack, he could up.
• 51:36
  Speaker 1: And from the inside knowledge is that from Spencer's Hollywood
• 51:40
  Speaker 1: Reporter beat is somebody from Parks and Rec.
• 51:42
  Speaker 2: And I think there's a few characters from that show.
• 51:46
  Speaker 2: I don't know that they're interested in fossils. They've consumed
• 51:49
  Speaker 2: me theater content in the pasts, So maybe they're listening
• 51:52
  Speaker 2: right now. Maybe they're a male cast member from Parks
• 51:56
  Speaker 2: and Rec, maybe two of them.
• 51:58
  Speaker 4: And roughly in the age of Replasa never misses a show.
• 52:01
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and maybe they're interested in having some fossils for
• 52:04
  Speaker 2: their home. The fossil shack. He'll keep your secret. He
• 52:06
  Speaker 2: won't tell me or anyone else that you sold him
• 52:09
  Speaker 2: some big, beautiful fossils.
• 52:11
  Speaker 3: Get after it. Roblo joining us.
• 52:16
  Speaker 2: On the line. Last is Alex Fogg, the Okaloosa County
• 52:19
  Speaker 2: Natural Resources chief in Florida. He's here to talk about
• 52:23
  Speaker 2: turning a retired ocean liner into the world's largest artificial
• 52:26
  Speaker 2: reef Alex, Welcome to the show.
• 52:28
  Speaker 5: Hey man, how's it going.
• 52:30
  Speaker 2: We're doing good. First thing, tell us about the SS
• 52:32
  Speaker 2: United States, which is the ship at the center of
• 52:35
  Speaker 2: this story.
• 52:36
  Speaker 10: Yeah.
• 52:37
  Speaker 5: Man, So it's a big old chip. When I first
• 52:39
  Speaker 5: saw I thought I was looking at the Titanic, and
• 52:41
  Speaker 5: it has that old ocean liner. Look, who's built back
• 52:44
  Speaker 5: in the nineteen fifties, sailed all across the Atlantic, made
• 52:48
  Speaker 5: the fastest crossing from the United States over to England,
• 52:51
  Speaker 5: and then broke its own record com back, still the
• 52:53
  Speaker 5: record that it holds today. While it still doesn't have
• 52:57
  Speaker 5: that fresh code of paint on her anymore, you could
• 52:59
  Speaker 5: certainly see how she was quite magnificent back in her heyday. Yeah.
• 53:03
  Speaker 2: It's funny you compared it to the Titanic, because this
• 53:05
  Speaker 2: ship is bigger than the Titanic slightly. And I've seen
• 53:08
  Speaker 2: the images comparing the sizes of the SSU United States
• 53:12
  Speaker 2: to the Titanic. Now, how did Akalousa County acquire the ship?
• 53:16
  Speaker 5: Yeah, it's been a heck of a process. We found
• 53:18
  Speaker 5: out about it maybe three years ago. I had a
• 53:21
  Speaker 5: contractor that we'd worked with on some other artificial reefs
• 53:23
  Speaker 5: reach out and say, hey, you know, you should look
• 53:25
  Speaker 5: at the ss United States. So I went down the
• 53:27
  Speaker 5: Google rabbit hole started looking at you know what story
• 53:31
  Speaker 5: this had, and there was some conflict between the old
• 53:34
  Speaker 5: owner and the dock that it was at. So there
• 53:36
  Speaker 5: was coming to a point to where the vessel is
• 53:37
  Speaker 5: either going to be sold for scrap or it was
• 53:40
  Speaker 5: gonna have to go to some other purpose. And really
• 53:42
  Speaker 5: the only economical option was to create an artificial reef
• 53:46
  Speaker 5: with this vessel. We've deployed hundreds of artificial reefs, dozens
• 53:49
  Speaker 5: of wrecks, large vessels, not as big as this one,
• 53:52
  Speaker 5: but large ones in the past, and it just it
• 53:54
  Speaker 5: seemed like the right option for us to move forward
• 53:56
  Speaker 5: with negotiating with the previous owner, and then we took
• 53:59
  Speaker 5: ownership back in October, which was a big deal. A
• 54:03
  Speaker 5: small county in Florida owning a thousand foot ocean liner
• 54:07
  Speaker 5: that was in Philadelphia at the time.
• 54:09
  Speaker 2: Can can you tell us what you guys paid, Alex.
• 54:12
  Speaker 5: Yeah, so we bought the ship for a million dollars,
• 54:14
  Speaker 5: which is about the price of scrap if it were
• 54:16
  Speaker 5: to be scrapped. There's about a million dollars worth of
• 54:18
  Speaker 5: steel on board.
• 54:19
  Speaker 4: Wow, and then it's a bargain. Yeah.
• 54:22
  Speaker 1: How do you like the tug service to get that
• 54:25
  Speaker 1: sucker down there? And then I imagine you got to
• 54:28
  Speaker 1: do it quite a few man hours to make sure
• 54:31
  Speaker 1: you're putting something not all that got awful in the water, right.
• 54:36
  Speaker 5: Yeah, exactly. So this is built in the time when
• 54:38
  Speaker 5: they didn't really have many rules as to what was
• 54:40
  Speaker 5: going into paint, what was being burned for fuel. So
• 54:43
  Speaker 5: there's a lot of that that's still on board, even
• 54:45
  Speaker 5: though a lot of it was gutted when it got
• 54:46
  Speaker 5: burt overseas to Ukraine and Turkey. A lot of the
• 54:49
  Speaker 5: asbesos has gone, but there's still a lot of lead,
• 54:51
  Speaker 5: a lot of PCBs that are in the paint, a
• 54:53
  Speaker 5: lot of fuel oil. All that has to be removed
• 54:55
  Speaker 5: to to ensure that we're not hurting the environment that
• 54:58
  Speaker 5: we're open the benefit.
• 55:00
  Speaker 2: Now, I've been surprised to read that. It seems like
• 55:02
  Speaker 2: a lot of the decision making is done at a
• 55:04
  Speaker 2: very local level. In this case, Akalusa County. Would I'd
• 55:07
  Speaker 2: expect there to be involvement from Noah and the US
• 55:10
  Speaker 2: Fish and Wildlife Service and maybe even like the state
• 55:12
  Speaker 2: of Alabama. Could you talk about the red tape involved
• 55:15
  Speaker 2: with a project like this and how much or how
• 55:17
  Speaker 2: little power Okalusa County has.
• 55:20
  Speaker 5: Yeah, Fortunately, we planned way ahead and the way artificial
• 55:23
  Speaker 5: reconstruction works is you actually get permits way ahead of
• 55:26
  Speaker 5: time for a certain area to allow you to deploy
• 55:29
  Speaker 5: artificial reefs whenever you want. So we have a permit
• 55:31
  Speaker 5: that's good for ten years. It was actually initially obtained
• 55:35
  Speaker 5: back in the nineties, and you know it's still active
• 55:38
  Speaker 5: today and we can deploy rex tomorrow if we want to.
• 55:41
  Speaker 5: So we've already gone through all the consultation with Army Corps, engineers,
• 55:44
  Speaker 5: Fish and Wildlife, Noah, all those folks, the people that
• 55:48
  Speaker 5: we I guess had the most red tape that we
• 55:50
  Speaker 5: had to cut through just to get out of Philadelphia
• 55:52
  Speaker 5: with the US Coast Guard. So the Coast Guard was very,
• 55:55
  Speaker 5: very nervous about a vessel that hadn't moved in thirty
• 55:58
  Speaker 5: years looking the way that it did. They were worried
• 56:01
  Speaker 5: about its ability to make the toe from Philadelphia all
• 56:04
  Speaker 5: the way down into the Gulf and eventually into Mobile.
• 56:07
  Speaker 5: So it was a hell of a toe. But after
• 56:10
  Speaker 5: a lot of tests and a lot of surveys by
• 56:13
  Speaker 5: all sorts of different people in Philadelphia, it was determined
• 56:16
  Speaker 5: to be okay. There were some water bottles and cups
• 56:19
  Speaker 5: and things that were left sitting on tables when we
• 56:22
  Speaker 5: left Philadelphia. It arrived in Mobile with those cups and
• 56:26
  Speaker 5: bottles still sitting in the same place.
• 56:28
  Speaker 3: That we left them.
• 56:28
  Speaker 2: Love it.
• 56:29
  Speaker 5: It was a very stable boat, no issues, didn't take
• 56:31
  Speaker 5: on any water. And now's the processes of getting her
• 56:34
  Speaker 5: all cleaned up, and we'll have to go through similar
• 56:36
  Speaker 5: hurdles when we tow her from Mobile to south of
• 56:38
  Speaker 5: destin Fort Walton Beach to deploy the wreath.
• 56:41
  Speaker 2: I've seen some online resistance to this project, and there
• 56:44
  Speaker 2: was a recent headline that said campaigners appealed Trump to
• 56:48
  Speaker 2: save the SS United States. Why are some folks against this?
• 56:52
  Speaker 5: Yeah, so you know this, this is one of the
• 56:54
  Speaker 5: last vessels of its time, you know, essentially a handbuilt
• 56:57
  Speaker 5: vessel that carries our nation's A lot of people are
• 57:01
  Speaker 5: very passionate about this vessel. What the people that aren't
• 57:04
  Speaker 5: so negative about this project don't really know, or maybe
• 57:09
  Speaker 5: can't wrap their head around, is how.
• 57:12
  Speaker 4: That is fishing.
• 57:13
  Speaker 1: They don't know fish.
• 57:14
  Speaker 5: There's fishing totally. I mean, there's a there's a ton
• 57:16
  Speaker 5: of money in fishing and diving, and they probably aren't
• 57:19
  Speaker 5: fishermen and divers themselves, but they can't wrap their head
• 57:21
  Speaker 5: around what do would cost to actually restore this I
• 57:23
  Speaker 5: mean we're talking at billion dollars to get this vessel
• 57:25
  Speaker 5: to a point where it actually be used again. Not
• 57:28
  Speaker 5: to mean I don't know where the heck you would
• 57:29
  Speaker 5: put a thousand foot ship for for a long period
• 57:32
  Speaker 5: of time. I mean it's had in Philadelphia for a
• 57:33
  Speaker 5: long time and they essentially got thrown out. So there's
• 57:37
  Speaker 5: just way too many logistics. I understand that there's historical
• 57:40
  Speaker 5: value to it. That's where we're going to try and
• 57:41
  Speaker 5: honor its legacy through a land based museum. So there's
• 57:44
  Speaker 5: a whole bunch of artifacts that have been collected over
• 57:46
  Speaker 5: the years where can actually remove the funnels, the big
• 57:48
  Speaker 5: stacks on the top, and those will be retained for
• 57:50
  Speaker 5: the museum and and allow folks to come and learn
• 57:54
  Speaker 5: about it even after it's gone to the bottom. And
• 57:55
  Speaker 5: if you are on a fisherman or a diver, then
• 57:57
  Speaker 5: you know you can go there.
• 57:58
  Speaker 1: How deep are we looking to sink this baby?
• 58:02
  Speaker 5: Yeah, it's a massive ship, so it's going to be
• 58:04
  Speaker 5: out one hundred and eighty feet of water, but the
• 58:06
  Speaker 5: top decks, the whole top deck's gonna be at fifty
• 58:08
  Speaker 5: five to sixty.
• 58:09
  Speaker 10: Feet of water.
• 58:09
  Speaker 4: Beautiful.
• 58:11
  Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, very.
• 58:12
  Speaker 5: Accessible to the beginner diver. But then if those technical
• 58:14
  Speaker 5: folks want to go down to the bottom or go
• 58:16
  Speaker 5: penetrate and check out the engine room, that's that's all
• 58:18
  Speaker 5: on them.
• 58:19
  Speaker 1: Oh that is cool. Have you thought about later putting
• 58:22
  Speaker 1: oh I love love to dive.
• 58:24
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 58:25
  Speaker 1: Have you thought about putting like some mattresses or old
• 58:28
  Speaker 1: couches on the deck to get people's speed jigs and
• 58:31
  Speaker 1: stuff and then you can go down there and collect them.
• 58:34
  Speaker 5: I'll tell you, I think the wreck itself is going
• 58:36
  Speaker 5: to be a magnet for all those all those hooks
• 58:38
  Speaker 5: and line and jigs and everything. It's it's amazing how
• 58:41
  Speaker 5: how smart, the fish are and nowhere to go to
• 58:43
  Speaker 5: get you hung up.
• 58:44
  Speaker 2: I love it. So there's about a year of prep
• 58:46
  Speaker 2: work before you can sink this. What all happens in
• 58:48
  Speaker 2: that time period.
• 58:50
  Speaker 5: So once we got to Mobile, we got to Mobile
• 58:51
  Speaker 5: on what early March, So we've been there about two
• 58:54
  Speaker 5: months now. They've been removing one hundred and twenty tanks worth,
• 58:59
  Speaker 5: so millions of gallons of fuel oil that's still on board.
• 59:02
  Speaker 5: They're removing all the glass, removing all the hazardous paint.
• 59:05
  Speaker 5: All of this has to come off, and for a
• 59:07
  Speaker 5: thousand foot ship, that's a lot of material and a
• 59:09
  Speaker 5: lot of manpowers you implied earlier. So once once she
• 59:12
  Speaker 5: gets cleaned up, we'll have EPA and a bunch of
• 59:14
  Speaker 5: other regulatory agencies on board to come take a look
• 59:17
  Speaker 5: and make sure we did what we said we did,
• 59:19
  Speaker 5: and then we'll get that clearance to go deploy it
• 59:20
  Speaker 5: in one of those permitted areas that I mentioned earlier.
• 59:23
  Speaker 5: So it's exciting times on the horizon, but still a
• 59:26
  Speaker 5: ton of work that needs to be done to try
• 59:27
  Speaker 5: and get this thing down in twenty twenty five.
• 59:29
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so the day comes where you're ready to drop
• 59:32
  Speaker 2: this thing to the bottom of the ocean. What is
• 59:35
  Speaker 2: the process actually like of sinking the ship.
• 59:38
  Speaker 5: Yeah, back in the day, they used to use bombs
• 59:40
  Speaker 5: and explosives to blow holes in the side of it
• 59:42
  Speaker 5: and make it go to the bottom really really fast.
• 59:43
  Speaker 5: But they determined that that's not good for dolphin environment,
• 59:48
  Speaker 5: So no, no dramatic explosions. But there'll be holes cut
• 59:52
  Speaker 5: throughout the ship right above the water line to where
• 59:55
  Speaker 5: when it's go time, you can open up through holes
• 59:58
  Speaker 5: inside the ship to allow water to blood controlled. And
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 5: then once those holes that are cut on the exterior
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 5: of the vessel sink below the waterline, it'll be gone
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 5: in forty minutes. It's a very process once you get
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 5: to that point.
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 2: What kind of sea life is going to like this
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 2: new artificial reef you.
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 5: Name it everything. So this is it's such a large
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 5: vessel being placed in a location where there's really no
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 5: reef material, natural or artificial existing at this time. So
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 5: it's going to be an oasis. You're gonna have your
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 5: reef fish species, your snappers, and your groupers. You're also
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 5: gonna have your pelagic so it's gonna be you know, tunas,
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 5: wahoo's billfish, other things swimming by I mean, it's such
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 5: a large vessel, it's going to be a magnet for everything,
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 5: including humans.
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 3: Alex, It's been a while since I've been in the
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 3: ship sinking game, so I'm curious you guys ended up
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 3: with the ship. Were there other localities competing with you
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 3: for it?
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 4: And then.
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 3: Along those same lines, is there like a top ten
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 3: list of ships like this sitting around the country that
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 3: folks in your line of work are are eyeballing and
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 3: waiting for to go on the market, or sort of
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 3: how does that shopping process look like?
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, start with the first question about other communities. Yeah,
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 5: there's there were other communities that were certainly looking at this,
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 5: but they didn't have Their total project cost is right
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 5: around ten million dollars, so they didn't have ten million
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 5: dollars to commit to a project like this. We fortunately
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 5: have leadership in the foresight to be able to obligate
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 5: those funds and then find partnerships on the back end.
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 5: So we've been working to find a number of partnerships
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 5: to alleviate that total cost, including partnering with some neighboring
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 5: communities that we're also looking at getting this vessil. So
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 5: it's a win win for everybody. Those partnerships haven't been
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 5: formalized yet, but I suspect it'll be in the coming
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 5: month or two. As far as selecting vessels, a lot
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 5: of it's a case by case basis. You know, Sometimes
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 5: a vessel catches fire and they can't put it back
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 5: into operations, so they give us a call and see
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 5: if we'd be interested in taking it as an artificial reef.
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 5: Sometimes it's an old vessel that has no other opportunities,
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 5: you know, like the SS United States. There's really no
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 5: other options, so we worked with them to keep it
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 5: from going to the scrapyard and turning it into the
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 5: world's largest artificial reef. There are some large vessels out
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 5: there that we're certainly keeping our eye on, but it's
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 5: not something we're actively pursuing until something hits the fan.
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 3: Fascinating.
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 1: Have you thought about the merch opportunities here? You know,
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 1: there's so many bolt cliches, like T shirts that say
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 1: the two best days of boat ownership the day you
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 1: buy it and the day you sink it.
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 5: Like that. Oh Man knows that's a great point. So
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 5: there's a lot of examples of where large vessels have
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 5: been deployed and they are visited by people from around
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 5: the world. The amount of merchandise that pops up is
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 5: incredible in the age of social media and digital media
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 5: and podcasts like this, it's it's it's amazing how many
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 5: people have learned about this, And I suspect that the
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 5: returns in the form of merchandise and visitation all that
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 5: stuff is going to be significantly more than anything that's
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 5: ever been done before. So we're really looking to see
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 5: look at We're really excited to see what pops up
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 5: from this, But we're in the we're not in the
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 5: business of merchandise. So I think that's probably going to
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 5: come down to the dive shops and the fishing shops
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 5: and stuff like that.
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 2: How quickly will fish start using this new reef.
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 5: Yep, they'll be fish there probably the day after it's
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 5: been deployed. There'll be a bunch of bake fish. Now
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 5: they aren't going to be established, they're not going to
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 5: be sit there reproducing and eating and all that stuff.
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 5: They're more just there because there's some new thing that's
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 5: on the bottom. It'll take a year or two before
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 5: it's a functioning system, but there will be things to
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 5: see immediately after it goes to the bottom.
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 2: And how do you envision sportsmen using it?
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 5: Oh man, the amount of early on when you know
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 5: there maybe aren't enough fish there to really sustain a fisherman,
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 5: or you make for a good day of fishing. It's
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 5: going to be heavily dived. But once it's become that
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 5: established system, there's gonna be fishing people fishing it every
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 5: single day, and then there's going to be people spearfishing
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 5: on it every single day. So it's going to be
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 5: hammered by the sports fishermen. But the good news is
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 5: there's a lot of other fishing sites and diving sites
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 5: all around this vessel, so if there's a bunch of
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 5: people there, they can go to one of those other
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 5: sites and wait their turn.
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 2: Well, thank you for joining us, Alex. Congrats on the
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 2: record breaking reef and good luck with the project.
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 5: Yep, thank you. You guys have a good one.
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 3: Thanks you too.
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 2: Cal's going to be there in a few years.
• 1:04:10
  Speaker 9: Oh, I love.
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 2: Yeah. You look at the map that Okaloosa County has
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 2: of all the artificial reefs they created. It's like reefs
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 2: on top of reefs. At this point, I think they
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 2: got to figure it out over there.
• 1:04:23
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Alabama's kind of an overlooked Gulf state.
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 4: Too cool. All right.
• 1:04:28
  Speaker 2: That brings us to the end of this week's show,
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 2: Philllet's get some final feedback from the chat.
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 4: Brent would just like to set the record straight that
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 4: he did the Turkey reveal thing first, so that's it's
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 4: fine he when he does it. Spencer, your holy grail
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 4: for rock hounding, I.
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 2: Would say it's a rock that probably doesn't even exist.
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 2: I would want a rock that has multiple bits of history.
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 2: So if I got to pick one rock to find,
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 2: it would be a meteorite that hit Earth, and then
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 2: that meteorite was eaten by a dinosaur because dinosaurs had
• 1:04:59
  Speaker 2: gizzards just like birds. So people will find or claim
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 2: to find. It's not always confirmed. A rock that was
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 2: a dinosaur gizzard stone and they're very smooth and round.
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 2: That's it's a gastrolith.
• 1:05:15
  Speaker 1: The gasterlith is on the ground, gasterlight is in the bird.
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 4: Is that right?
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 3: Well, I think lift would be stone.
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 2: When I when I hear it referred to as the
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 2: fossil version, it's a gastrolith. Okay, So I'd want a
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 2: meteorite that hit her that was then eaten by a
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 2: dinosaur and was used as a gizzardstone, become a gastrolith,
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 2: and then maybe some ancient human picked it up and
• 1:05:36
  Speaker 2: used it as a pestile with a pestil and mortar.
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 2: That's that's my holy grail. I want. It's it's a
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 2: it's a small ask something that came from outer space
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 2: that was in a dinosaur's gizzard that then some ancient
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 2: human used to crush acorns.
• 1:05:49
  Speaker 1: Two weeks ago, I basically stayed at the site of
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 1: the Jones diamond. Are you familiar with that one? No,
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 1: it's the largest specific kind of diamond that's blank and
• 1:06:00
  Speaker 1: on here right now. It was found in West Virginia
• 1:06:01
  Speaker 1: and a creek. But it's like a giant mystery stone.
• 1:06:05
  Speaker 1: You would love this because the formation it comes out
• 1:06:08
  Speaker 1: of is in Brazil, and so there's a theory that
• 1:06:11
  Speaker 1: it was traded over and over and over and over
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 1: and over again and eventually got dropped in this creek
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 1: in West Virginia.
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  Speaker 3: That's the largest alluvial diamond alluvial never discovered in North America.
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  Speaker 2: That's that's got all the ingredients of the whole thing.
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  Speaker 3: This kind of brings us full circle because diamonds are
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  Speaker 3: and the search for them, particularly in alluvial floodplains, is
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  Speaker 3: a key plot element of the film and book Congo.
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  Speaker 3: Yes exactly wowl diamonds though, because they want to use
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  Speaker 3: those in some sort of primitive laser processor in the book. Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: in the movie it's a laser weapon. But yeah, go ahead.
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  Speaker 4: When we were talking about the legislation in DC, Max
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  Speaker 4: brought up the fact that Cal and Mark both dropped
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  Speaker 4: a podcast today about their recent trip to d C. Cal,
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  Speaker 4: I don't know if you want to just talk briefly
• 1:07:00
  Speaker 4: about what you did over there and what kind of
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 4: shows you'll be dropping for in the Calm the Wild
• 1:07:04
  Speaker 4: Feed next week. Oh boy, Phil and I were just
• 1:07:07
  Speaker 4: crying over the news cycle moving way too fast for
• 1:07:11
  Speaker 4: our pace here. Yeah, we did some lobbying on the
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  Speaker 4: hill in Washington, d C. We attended the Teddy Roosevelt
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  Speaker 4: Conservation Partnership Capital Conservation Awards and basically just rubbed elbows
• 1:07:24
  Speaker 4: with some newly appointed Trump appointees in different offices like
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  Speaker 4: National Resource Conservation Service and some folks in the Egg Department,
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  Speaker 4: and then tried to hit as many Senate and House
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  Speaker 4: offices as possible to ask them to join the brand
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  Speaker 4: spicketty New Released Public Lands Caucus led by Gave Vasquez
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  Speaker 4: out of New Mexico and Ryan Zinki out of Montana.
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  Speaker 4: I saw Congressman Mike Simpson was in the lineup with
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  Speaker 4: that too, But we need more of that, and that's
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  Speaker 4: what we're really encouraging people to do. We were also
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  Speaker 4: talked about mineral withdrawal and the boundary waters. We talked about.
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  Speaker 1: Active land management and not selling off our public land,
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  Speaker 1: especially doing it in a way that avoids all the
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  Speaker 1: things that the public has come to trust, which is
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  Speaker 1: knowing what we're giving up for what we're getting quite simply.
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  Speaker 2: So fill what else yet?
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  Speaker 4: Let's see here? Oh yeah, you're playing trivia at the
• 1:08:39
  Speaker 4: BHA rendezvoute for Rendezvous, correct, Spencer.
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  Speaker 2: I won't be there, but Randall, Randall will be. Randall
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  Speaker 2: is going to be leading trivia at the BHA Rendezvous
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  Speaker 2: for the second year in a.
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  Speaker 3: Row, Saturday night. I believe it starts at eight pm
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  Speaker 3: June June teens, the mid teens. Whatever the Saturday is, yeah,
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  Speaker 3: I think it's the Tuesdays is seventeenth, so going backwards
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  Speaker 3: since you carry the three.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah while you're there.
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  Speaker 1: So it's the weekend of the thirteenth, So it's Friday
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  Speaker 1: the thirteenth, Saturday the fourteenth, and then we're going to
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  Speaker 1: have a big public Lands rally on the fifteenth there
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  Speaker 1: in Missoula, which is also Father's Day.
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  Speaker 3: Well, we'll make up a plan here soon. I think
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  Speaker 3: it'd be fun to get some audience participation in that game,
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  Speaker 3: but I haven't yet sat down to think through the logistics.
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  Speaker 3: But rest is sure, Leland. We will be playing trivia
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  Speaker 3: and it will be a wonderful time. Yeah, in support
• 1:09:34
  Speaker 3: of a good organization.
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  Speaker 2: If you see Randall there, go ask him about the
• 1:09:38
  Speaker 2: drunkest he's ever been in his life and he'll have
• 1:09:40
  Speaker 2: a good story to share with you.
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  Speaker 3: Nope, he'll go there.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, won't go there.
• 1:09:44
  Speaker 2: He won't share that story with you, So ask him anyway.
• 1:09:47
  Speaker 4: Jacob's going on a four day paddle trip in the Midwest.
• 1:09:49
  Speaker 4: It's kind of a big area, Jacob, but he's asking
• 1:09:52
  Speaker 4: for recommendations on scenic rivers with decent fishing. There's a
• 1:09:57
  Speaker 4: lot of four day of.
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  Speaker 3: Paddles, but four days if you're straying together. Four days
• 1:10:01
  Speaker 3: like camping along the way, You're probably limited.
• 1:10:05
  Speaker 2: Go to the Boundary Waters.
• 1:10:06
  Speaker 3: Yeah, go to the Boundary Waters.
• 1:10:07
  Speaker 2: You could paddle for months up there. It's plenty scenic
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  Speaker 2: and some of the finest fishing in North America.
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  Speaker 1: Any other recommendation, it's gonna be totally different when there's
• 1:10:16
  Speaker 1: an open pit copper sulfide.
• 1:10:17
  Speaker 3: Mind, I've only done I've only done one one night,
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  Speaker 3: two day trips on the Little Miami River, and I
• 1:10:25
  Speaker 3: don't think it's sort of attracting visitation for out of states.
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  Speaker 3: So maybe look elsewhere.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, there you go. Randy will tell you where not
• 1:10:32
  Speaker 2: to go. What else you got, Phil.
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  Speaker 4: Kevin says, mean, it's a really great fossil. Really happy
• 1:10:37
  Speaker 4: for you, But what the people really need to know
• 1:10:38
  Speaker 4: is what shoe you're wearing.
• 1:10:40
  Speaker 2: Oh, I've got just some Nike tennis shoes on.
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  Speaker 1: Kevin answer, I mean, a man of the people, I'll
• 1:10:49
  Speaker 1: do my own.
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  Speaker 4: There's a couple of silly questions, but I feel like
• 1:10:52
  Speaker 4: I've done a lot of silly questions.
• 1:10:53
  Speaker 2: Let's get a couple more.
• 1:10:54
  Speaker 3: I'll get my own audience call out. I saw questions
• 1:10:56
  Speaker 3: right after we finished our discussion of the gorilla battle,
• 1:11:00
  Speaker 3: and someone pointed out that they don't believe that that
• 1:11:02
  Speaker 3: many humans would be killed, just very badly injured. And
• 1:11:06
  Speaker 3: I actually I'd like to go back on my statement
• 1:11:08
  Speaker 3: about thirty to forty being killed. That is, unless the
• 1:11:11
  Speaker 3: gorilla had time to go around and sort of finish
• 1:11:13
  Speaker 3: off his victims. I think it would just be a
• 1:11:15
  Speaker 3: lot of maimings. So whoever that was pointwell taken, he'll.
• 1:11:19
  Speaker 2: Put him in a coma. Yeah, they can make him
• 1:11:22
  Speaker 2: on bed rest, yep, anything else.
• 1:11:24
  Speaker 4: Phil Marty says inquiring minds wants to know who's in
• 1:11:27
  Speaker 4: charge of bumping into the giant foothold trap behind Spencer
• 1:11:30
  Speaker 4: every week.
• 1:11:32
  Speaker 3: I'll address this. Yah, I've got a follow up for you,
• 1:11:35
  Speaker 3: and it's not you know. The thing is is, it's
• 1:11:37
  Speaker 3: not the person who's actually bumping into the trap who's responsible.
• 1:11:41
  Speaker 3: It's the person who sits in Spencer's seat.
• 1:11:44
  Speaker 4: You see.
• 1:11:44
  Speaker 3: I think in the event of a fire, everybody on
• 1:11:46
  Speaker 3: this side of the table would be dead because there's
• 1:11:49
  Speaker 3: not a lot of clearance between the tripods and that
• 1:11:51
  Speaker 3: host seat, and so if someone is sitting in that
• 1:11:55
  Speaker 3: seat and not paying attention to those around them, they
• 1:11:59
  Speaker 3: oftentimes will force those of us with larger bodies to
• 1:12:02
  Speaker 3: sort of push up against the wall, which wasn't as
• 1:12:06
  Speaker 3: hazardous until that foothold trap was in place. So it's
• 1:12:10
  Speaker 3: not the it's not the guy bumping the trap. It's
• 1:12:12
  Speaker 3: the guy he's trying to avoid.
• 1:12:14
  Speaker 4: And I will say, for being such a respected hunter
• 1:12:17
  Speaker 4: and personality in the industry, Stephen Ranella has very little
• 1:12:20
  Speaker 4: awareness of what's happening around him. So I'll walk, He'll
• 1:12:25
  Speaker 4: be in the chair leaning back. He's just fine, that's
• 1:12:27
  Speaker 4: his right. But then I come up next to kind
• 1:12:29
  Speaker 4: of I don't he's usually on the phone, you're sending
• 1:12:31
  Speaker 4: an email. I'll kind of try to squeeze through, and
• 1:12:34
  Speaker 4: then I'll finally just have to say, excuse me, Steve,
• 1:12:36
  Speaker 4: excuse me, hind you, Yeah, and then he'll move about
• 1:12:39
  Speaker 4: an inch and then I'll still bump work trap, which
• 1:12:41
  Speaker 4: works for some.
• 1:12:42
  Speaker 3: Folks in this office.
• 1:12:43
  Speaker 2: But yeah, you have to make him acknowledge you to
• 1:12:46
  Speaker 2: get behind his chair. And Marty and everyone else listening
• 1:12:49
  Speaker 2: to this, if you really want to help out phil
• 1:12:51
  Speaker 2: If if you're a Philistine, what are your what are
• 1:12:54
  Speaker 2: your fans called?
• 1:12:54
  Speaker 4: Oh well, there's a question about that. Apparently people don't
• 1:12:57
  Speaker 4: like philistine because they think I'm being it's rude, but
• 1:13:00
  Speaker 4: I'm I'm erasing it, let's call it.
• 1:13:02
  Speaker 3: And my favorite one that I've seen is the cal Mudgeons.
• 1:13:07
  Speaker 4: Someone came up with calamanders in this show.
• 1:13:09
  Speaker 2: Oh that's good. If you're a philistine, the thing that
• 1:13:12
  Speaker 2: you can do, uh, to really prove that you're philistine
• 1:13:15
  Speaker 2: is write an email to the meat eater at the
• 1:13:17
  Speaker 2: medeater dot com and say, hey, I think you guys
• 1:13:19
  Speaker 2: need a bigger studio because we have multiple walls here
• 1:13:23
  Speaker 2: we could knock out and we can make a bigger
• 1:13:25
  Speaker 2: space for you. And boy, if you think we're podcasting
• 1:13:28
  Speaker 2: at a high level, now just wait until this room
• 1:13:30
  Speaker 2: has like an extra We're going to be over the place,
• 1:13:34
  Speaker 2: sixty square feet of We're not going to bump any
• 1:13:37
  Speaker 2: more anymore tramps.
• 1:13:38
  Speaker 1: Quiet air circulation wouldn't be great.
• 1:13:41
  Speaker 2: Yeah, phil phil would be So write an email to
• 1:13:45
  Speaker 2: the meat eater at the medeater dot com and say, hey,
• 1:13:47
  Speaker 2: I think you guys need to make your podcast studio
• 1:13:49
  Speaker 2: a little bigger.
• 1:13:51
  Speaker 4: Spencer said it.
• 1:13:52
  Speaker 2: I didn't, Yeah, I did, say, all right, next week's show,
• 1:13:55
  Speaker 2: We've got a very exciting media to radio Live. It's
• 1:13:57
  Speaker 2: dedicated to Man's Best Friend. Because it is dog Week
• 1:14:01
  Speaker 2: here at Meat Eater, we got special guests joining us
• 1:14:04
  Speaker 2: and a Meat Eater Movie Club Randa, what are you
• 1:14:07
  Speaker 2: gonna be reviewing?
• 1:14:07
  Speaker 3: Yes, I'm pleased to announce that the Meat Eater Movie
• 1:14:10
  Speaker 3: Club is returning by popular demand, and next week, in
• 1:14:15
  Speaker 3: keeping with the theme of Dog Week, we're gonna be
• 1:14:18
  Speaker 3: reviewing Where the Red Fern Grows. Perfect for dog there
• 1:14:24
  Speaker 3: aren't that many good like I was I was, I
• 1:14:27
  Speaker 3: was gonna go with Balto. No, if I have to
• 1:14:30
  Speaker 3: watch air Bud, I'm instead watch Dunstan checks In because
• 1:14:33
  Speaker 3: it's the same thing. But within Orangton, we didn't have
• 1:14:37
  Speaker 3: White Fang. I thought about White Fang, but then you
• 1:14:39
  Speaker 3: did the old one or the or the remake?
• 1:14:41
  Speaker 2: What was the Stephen King movie with? Yeah, that one.
• 1:14:45
  Speaker 2: There you go.
• 1:14:46
  Speaker 3: We're gonna go with Where the Red Fern Grows. It's
• 1:14:48
  Speaker 3: available on two b Ku, Fandango, at home Plex, Peacock,
• 1:14:53
  Speaker 3: Amazon Prime, YouTube, YouTube TV, and then you can rent
• 1:14:58
  Speaker 3: it on Google Play Movies and Apple TV. But don't
• 1:15:01
  Speaker 3: rent it, just find free. There also seems to be
• 1:15:03
  Speaker 3: just like some bootleg version of it on YouTube, so
• 1:15:06
  Speaker 3: I don't endorse as we know, I don't endorse the
• 1:15:09
  Speaker 3: infringement of intellectual property. But check it out on YouTube
• 1:15:13
  Speaker 3: before you go rent.
• 1:15:14
  Speaker 2: What movie did you tell me you were considering doing
• 1:15:16
  Speaker 2: but it didn't really do it for you, didn't really
• 1:15:18
  Speaker 2: get you revved up? Old yeller, Old yeller, Yeah, Dad
• 1:15:22
  Speaker 2: doesn't do it for Randall.
• 1:15:23
  Speaker 3: So I mean that's the thing. There's just like sad movies.
• 1:15:26
  Speaker 3: Homeward bound. Maybe maybe I'll just show up next week
• 1:15:29
  Speaker 3: and I'll talk about Homeward Bound instead to myself.
• 1:15:31
  Speaker 2: One more important detail for next week, we want a
• 1:15:33
  Speaker 2: hot tip off showdown dedicated to dogs. So send your
• 1:15:37
  Speaker 2: hot tip to radio at the Mediator dot com with
• 1:15:39
  Speaker 2: the subject line hot dog Tips. We'll have a great
• 1:15:43
  Speaker 2: prize for the winner. That's the end of this week's show.
• 1:15:46
  Speaker 2: We'll see you guys back here next week for Dog Week.
• 1:15:49
  Speaker 3: Thank you so much, Thanks everybody.