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#24: (Part 1) 11 Days In May with JD Messinger: A Near-Death Experience & The Courage To Awaken · Love Conquers Fear

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  I had been meditating and it was late at night.
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  I was sitting up by my pool and I saw word coming across my eyes
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  and I, I called writing on the wall, the wow effect.
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  And so I just went in and I started writing.
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  I didn't know what I was writing.
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  I just wrote what was there. I was taking dictation.
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  And when I started to think about the words, it stopped,
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  just froze. And I called up an agent.
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  So I said I've got a book. He said when to write it.
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  I said, I, I wrote in the last two weeks.
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  And so I sent it to him that night.
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  And then like at 5:00 in the morning, he calls me and he
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  goes, I want to publish this. This is going to be a spiritual
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  classic. And it needed no editing.
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  I got hit in the head by a crane, My neck back, crushed the
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  vertebrae. And I am sucked backwards at
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  warp speed going through the light on hall.
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  And there's no pain, there's no suffering, there's no sadness.
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  And it's beautiful twisting and turning and lights and sparklers
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  and mostly blue and white and scintillating lights and all
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  that. And I shouted God do this to me
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  and my three-year old son come in and he goes daddy you work
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  too hard. 3 year old comes in he goes Daddy you need play.
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  So what is fear? There's a lot of way these
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  things show off blame, shame, kill, persecution, betrayal.
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  Love is the strongest force in the universe.
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  Hey everyone, welcome back to Love Conquers fear.
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  I want to give a shout out to Jacob Solomon who I worked with
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  during the bizarre Voice stays. He was amazing.
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  He was an intern at the beginning of bizarre Voice.
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  Gary Hoover actually introduced us.
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  Gary Hoover's a really legendary entrepreneur here in Austin,
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  created Hoover's book stop, the original book superstore,
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  Travelfest, the original travel agent superstore.
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  And when Gary introduced us, he said, I think this is the
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  smartest student I've ever met at UT Austin.
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  And Jacob came on board and went from intern to eventually head
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  of marketing for all of Europe. And he then went on to be a
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  great entrepreneur. I was investor alongside Deborah
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  in his company Wisecrack, which went very viral.
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  You can check it out on YouTube. And recently he said, Brett, I
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  want to just help you with love conquers fear.
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  So he's now part of the team and is really helping this get a lot
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  more reach. I am self professed sucking at
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  social media when it comes to promoting the podcast.
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  I just honestly don't enjoy the promotional aspect of it.
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  I'm doing this purely to help manifest the light and help us
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  make it to the age of abundance for all.
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  But Jacob is extremely good at it.
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  And that's a very valuable skill.
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  And you need to know what you're good at and what you're not good
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  at. And so I'm really glad that he
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  showed up. It's a very Celestine prophecy
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  that he did. I'm going to keep this intro
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  short. I'll, I'll tell you that I'm
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  working through a book right now that John Mackey, the founder of
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  Whole Foods, told me about. It's called Love is Letting Go
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  of Fear, and I'm going to talk about that deeply on the next
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  episode because the next episode is with the same guest I have
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  today. And we're going to really dive
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  into what is fear and how do you conquer fear, which is what this
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  podcast is all about. So we just had a really vibrant
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  discussion about that today. And he has a lot of tips on
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  that. But today we're really going to
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  dive into him and his book. So let me just introduce our
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  guest. It's one of my very good
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  friends, JD Messenger, and this book, 11 Days in May, has really
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  been one of the most amazing books I've read.
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  I've read this now twice and the story behind how this book
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  manifested for JD is really amazing.
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  And I actually read it in May. I don't know if you know that,
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  but I read it in May not not because it was planned like, oh,
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  it's 11 days in May. I'll read it in May just because
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  it just happened to happen that way.
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  That was when my soul told me it was time to read your book.
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  And that was shortly after the MIT event that I spoke at where
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  Jay Wilkinson was a part of that.
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  And Jay came up to me afterwards and he said, you know, I really
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  think you'll like the book 11 days in May.
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  And I didn't know at that time that you and Jay had started to
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  work together. Maybe that maybe that actually
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  happened after the event. I'm not sure exactly when you
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  guys started to work together either, but ultimately it's
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  ended up with you becoming the publisher for my third book,
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  Love Conquers Fear, Humanity, AI and age Abundance for All.
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  And we were having a amazing discussion here at the home and
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  some great hikes and. We we've had a lot of
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  coincidence, yes. A lot of synchronicity.
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  We've already had Like they were, they were just rolling off
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  of each other between you, me and Deborah, Yeah.
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  Yeah. And, you know, in terms of meant
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  to be, you know, another synchronicity, you know, shortly
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  before this, I sent out an e-mail for the dinner that I'm
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  hosting tonight and there were a couple of people that couldn't
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  make it last minute. And I was like, huh, there's
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  eleven people attending to for 11 days in May.
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  So we're going to, we're going to have those really a.
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  Lot to me, right? You know, multiples of 11
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  during, you know, conferences, speeches, workshops.
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  Yeah, always. So whoever's meant to be there
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  will be there, right? Right, exactly.
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  And and it's a really soulful group coming together.
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  I can't wait till till tonight. I just want to first start with
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  thanking you because your book has really been an amazing,
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  amazing, you know, book for me. It actually made me realize that
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  you can have these conversations with the divine.
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  And since reading your book, I've read The Untethered Soul by
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  Michael Singer and a bunch of other books that have allowed me
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  to have that type of communion on hikes.
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  Just I can't really predict when it's going to happen, but when
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  it happens, it's really, it's really beautiful and it becomes
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  a great teacher for me in the moment.
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  When we get these insights, I to me, it's, it's like a bolt of
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  electricity, you know, you feel like woosh, you can get a
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  download in in a nanosecond that'll take an hour to
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  transcribe or record. Yes, that's cool.
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  Yeah, why don't we, why don't we dive into the book 1st and and
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  then I would love to hear about your background, what led up to
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  the book. But with the book itself, how
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  did 11 Days in May manifest? I know, I know that, but they
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  don't know that. And it's really, really quite
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  outstanding. It, it's actually a terrible
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  title and that's because there was no intention of writing a
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  book as I, I'll tell my story about my near death experience
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  and mystical and how I was a left brain nuclear engineer math
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  major. But since you asked, we'll go
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  the last forward to May of 2012. And I, I, you know, I was a
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  skeptic and didn't believe any of this stuff myself, but I, one
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  of my, I call them superpowers. We all have an invisible gift
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  and I, I have a photographic memory.
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  I see things. And so I've been meditating and
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  it was late at night. I was sitting up by my pool and
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  I saw words coming across my eyes and I, I call it writing on
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  the wall, the wow effect. And so I just went in and I
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  started writing and I didn't know what I was writing.
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  I just wrote what was there. You know, it's like I was taking
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  dictation. And this went on for seven
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  nights and on it was on the 7th night where I was like, I
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  stopped. And I thought, I wonder if I'm
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  writing a book. And I actually started to think
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  about the words that were coming across.
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  And when I started to think about the words, it like
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  stopped, just froze. I was like, oh, I can't do that.
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  So I, you know, kind of had to let go.
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  And you don't have faith and just, you know, take dictation.
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  And when I was done, after 11 days, my wife was like, what
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  have you been doing in your office for all right, two weeks?
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  And I said, I, I think I wrote a book.
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  And she said, what's it about? And I said, I don't know.
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  I haven't read it yet. And I called up Bill Gladstone,
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  who was an agent I knew. And I said, I've got a he's that
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  been an agent for Deepak Chopra and Eckhart Tolle.
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  Very the Waterside Productions, a lot of spiritual books.
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  And so I said, I've got a book. He said when to write it.
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  I, I said, I, I wrote in the last two weeks because JD Nope,
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  nobody writes a book in two weeks.
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  And I said, take a look at it for me.
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  And so I sent it to him that night.
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  And then like at 5:00 in the morning, 6:00 in the morning, he
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  calls me and he goes, I want to publish this book.
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  He goes, this is going to be a spiritual classic.
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  And it needed it needed no editing.
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  I mean, there was some grammatical, there was like in
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  the first print, we didn't really have a Chicago edit, you
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  know, and, and so the first print there was like 8 or 10
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  some grammatical things. And you know, some of the
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  preposition things had a commas and all that.
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  But the book was published as it was ascribed.
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  And in August, I think August 4th or 2012, it was launched and
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  we launched the ebook. And I'll tell you about the in
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  between the, the writing and publishing.
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  I read it 18 times. And Mary Ann, my wife was like,
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  why do you keep reading it? I'm like, I wrote it.
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  I need to know what's in it. You know, people are going to
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  ask me what's the book about, right?
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  And, and I had an inspiration, you know, it's like a download
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  that said make the book a full immersion experience.
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  And so to me, a full immersion experience was, you know,
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  tactile. It's like sound, video, audio.
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  And so I said, can we make the, can I add a music to the ebook?
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  And they like checked and like, yeah, I said, can I add videos
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  to the ebook? And they're like, yeah, I said,
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  can I add an interactive feature with a hyperlink this 2012, you
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  know, can I add a hyperlink where if somebody's reading the
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  ebook, you can click the hyperlink and ask me, the
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  author, a question. They're like, well, let me
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  check. And they're like, yeah, we can
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  do that. Now.
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  It turns out this was a problem because the only device in the
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  world that could use that feature was an iPhone.
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  You know, Barnes and Nobles couldn't do it.
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  You know, the the Nook, the the Amazon reader couldn't do it
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  anyway. So before the publication date,
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  I said, I think this is a world first innovation.
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  And of course they go, you're a crazy messenger.
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  I've had quite a few world first innovations, none of which were
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  my idea. They were an inspiration, if you
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  want to call it that. And, and I said, well, why don't
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  you check around the world and see if anybody else has done
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  anything like this? So they did and they and before
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  publication, they come back and go, I think this is a world
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  first innovation, right? And I said, well, let's announce
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  it as a world first innovation and multimedia publications.
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  And so, so the book launches. The e-book hits number one on
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  Amazon first day. The hardcover hits number one on
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  Amazon the first day it hits #1 in science and religion,
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  spirituality, new age and personal development.
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  Oh my God. And now I was terrified because
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  as well go back in time here and flashback.
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  This is my coming out story about, you know, being a
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  corporate executive submarine officer, talking about
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  spiritual, metaphysical, out of body, near death, talking Angel
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  stuff. And so I, I was pretty
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  terrified, you know, but so then I had to go walk around the
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  country, went coast to coast for nine months and share my story.
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  And we were in Disneyland in December and my phone rang and
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  my family did not like the fact that I was answering my phone.
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  And the guy goes, is this Mr. you know, Jonathan Messenger?
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  I'm like, yes. And he goes, well, you know, I'm
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  so and so the head of the publishing industry and I want
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  to congratulate you for being the gold medal award winner for
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  publishing industry, you know, world first innovation.
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  And I'm like, I'm hollering, hey, your dad just won some
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  world first innovation. They're like, you did not.
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  I'm like, yeah, I know I did, right.
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  And it was kind of sad because I go to this event in New York and
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  it's a 3000 person, you know, people and there's all these
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  people with tech innovations and, and I, I won the gold
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  medal, you know, and these people are coming up to me
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  going. How long did you work on that?
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  And how did you think about doing that?
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  And it's kind of like, you know, do I tell them?
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  Like it was like it took me about 5 minutes, you know, like
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  it was just a download, you know, and of course I do.
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  And of course that just pisses everybody, right, who's been
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  working for years trying to mental.
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  But that's part of the point. You see, our random access
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  memory, our conscious mind is the most limited part of our
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  brain. You know, that we have our
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  conscious, subconscious and unconscious.
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  And the unconscious is keeping my, you know, heart going and,
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  you know, communicating. It's the OS, right, right.
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  We want to mess with the OS and the subconscious mind is the
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  millions of programs that dictate our beliefs and all
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  that. And and the access to the
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  infinite source of knowledge and wisdom.
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  And so when we can open up the subconscious mind and tap in, we
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  create amazing wonders. You know, that's where we're
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  going to get into. We all are beings of unlimited
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  power and potential to create wonders.
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  But a part of the back story we'll get into, which is the 12
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  years before this, between when I broke my neck and had a near
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  death accident in 2000, to when this happened, you know, I had
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  been spending 12 years researching what was going on
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  with me. And, you know, I discovered that
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  Mozart didn't write music, He heard it and the with the ear
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  behind the ear, right? You know, I wrote the book with
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  the eye behind the eye, you know, the third eye.
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  Walt Disney just, you know, discovered and created Epcot,
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  you know, from a vision and a dream.
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  I've made world first game innovations from dreams, you
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  know, goes on and on and on. You know, so some of the most
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  legendary, greatest inventors are industrialists.
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  You discover, I suspect, much like yourself, you're tapping
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  into something that is beyond your conscious state.
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  Yeah, yeah. I mean, a a lot of times growing
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  up, I didn't realize that was the divine talking to me, but I
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  know it was in hindsight. You know what a lot of just
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  Eureka moments where I was like, Oh my gosh, this is it was we're
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  divine nudges, you know, in hindsight and everything that I
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  experienced, you know, including the pain of being a nerd growing
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  up in Texas, etcetera, was, was, you know, both the love and the
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  suffering to get me to this point for the most important
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  phase of my career, really the manifestation of all that that
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  happened before. Sure, you know, I've, I've, I
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  said that I hadn't really experienced conversations with
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  the divine prior, at least being aware of it, you know, until I
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  read The Untethered Soul. But the, the actual reality is
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  through journeys I had through psychedelic journeys.
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  So there were, there are many times in journeys where I was
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  speaking out loud and I only remembered about 20% of what I
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  was saying. And then I went to transcribe it
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  and there were all types of references that I had to go and
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  look up because I did not know what they meant.
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  But we're really the divine speaking through me.
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  So which was so incredible. In in this book I've had, you
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  know, over the years, so many people say to me, oh, you, this,
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  this is like a Socratic dialogue.
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  If did you study philosophy? I said, no, never.
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  And they said, oh, you're referencing, you know, Sanskrit
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  and Hindu or Islam or, you know, Torah or all, all of them.
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  And they'd all say, did you study that?
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  Did you read? And I meant, no, no, no, I
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  didn't. I didn't, you know, where did
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  all that wisdom come through? And I knew we're going to get
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  into the parables, but came out of me, my fingers anyway.
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  You know what it reminded me of, although I hadn't read it when I
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  when I read this twice in May is it reminded me when I read the
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  Bhagavad Gita of that it was like the conversation between
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  Arjuna and Krishna. You know where Arjuna can ask
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  any questions of Krishna? Who Krishna in that form on the
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  battlefield was an embody. Of the gods.
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  And it's frozen in time and space, and it was like every
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  question that Arjun ever wanted to know the answer to.
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  All right. Which by the way, so the reason
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  the book is called 11 Days of May, which I think is a bad
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  title. People know what know what it's
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  about was, you know, they're like, well, what are you going
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  to call the book? And I'm like, well, I don't
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  know. I wrote it in 11 days in May.
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  Let's just call it right. And then in the second imprint,
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  the subtitle is the Conversation That Will Change Your Life
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  because so many people, 100,000, I got 100,000 emails, you know,
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  and they said, Oh my God, this book changed my life.
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  Yeah, that's beautiful. Yeah, that's amazing.
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  I mean, I'm getting I'm getting all types of light from doing
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  this podcast, you know, people saying it's turning them onto
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  this book or that book. And I'm sure just people
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  listening to this, it will turn a lot of them onto your book and
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  just thanking me for being authentic and being quote UN
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  quote brave. And I always say, you know, I
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  appreciate that. I really do, but I'm just
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  authentic because this is a time where you have to have the
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  ability to conquer your own fears and operate with love at
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  the forefront because that's what humanity needs the most
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  right for us to make it to this age of abundance for all.
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  So it's I appreciate them saying it and I really, I really love
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  all the comments I'm getting, all the emails, all the text,
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  but the reality is I am compelled to do this.
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  This is what my soul wants me to do, and I'm in a very animated
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  place, you know, my soul is much more embodied in my physicality.
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  When spirit comes calling, resistance is futile.
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  It is our answer. And you know, I'm an executive
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  coach to CEO to entrepreneurs and I've worked with over 5000
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  people, but in deep coaching, you know, I'm sure maybe more
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  than 500. And I look at their soul path
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  and journeys through numerology and astrology and my knowing
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  'cause I kind of see and feel and know a person.
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  And I can tell you when you resist that calling that that
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  something you're feeling an emptiness or a hollowness or
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  unsettledness that's. That's that nudge coming.
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  That's that your, your supercomputer is talking to you.
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  And the more the mind fights it and say no, I want to go right
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  and your soul saying go left. I guarantee you if you keep
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  going right, bad thing after bad thing after bad thing is going
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  to happen because I've seen it 100 times.
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  Resistance is futile. Don't fight it.
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  Yeah, yeah, yeah. There's a beautiful life over
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  here, right? If you get in flow right, Let
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  go. And it's trying to wake you up.
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  It's trying to. And if you, as in my case, I
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  ignored it, ignored it, ignored it.
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  And what did it do? Whacked me, Broke my neck.
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  Yeah, yeah. Well, why don't we go back in
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  time before we dive into the parables, You know, how did you
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  get to this point of writing this book or this book literally
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  channeling through you? Like, how did you get, let's go,
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  let's start with your childhood and go through all of the
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  suffering, frankly, you had to go through to get to this point?
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  So I grew up in Huntington, Long Island, youngest of five,
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  Catholic mother, German father. I had not a very nice childhood.
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  I, I never had any new clothes. I remember the first time I had
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  a, a new pair of clothes. I was nine years old for my
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  sister's wedding and they didn't know what that tag was.
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  I can't tell you. I remember any birthday parties.
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  I don't ever remember my mother telling me she loved me.
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  I remember my dad, the only time I remember my dad telling me he
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  loved me was after he whipped me with a belt and he was crying
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  for doing it and I can see that like it was yesterday.
• 22:02
  My dad had was an alcoholic who beat my mom and then beat me and
• 22:06
  I was the only one left at home. And so anyway, rough childhood
• 22:14
  didn't know that or remember that or know what all those
• 22:19
  wounds meant or would do to a person.
• 22:22
  I went to the Naval Academy. I was one of the student senior
• 22:26
  commanders, A distinguished graduate in my class, studied
• 22:30
  mathematics and became a nuclear submarine officer.
• 22:35
  Got interviewed by Admiral Rickover, hit funny stories.
• 22:38
  He, he told me I wasn't good enough to be in his nuclear
• 22:41
  Navy. And I told him that I was and
• 22:45
  I'd be one of his best submariners.
• 22:47
  And he, he slammed, stood up and slammed the first like he was on
• 22:51
  fire and said, get the bleep out of my office.
• 22:54
  But that's exactly what he wanted was somebody who believed
• 22:59
  in themselves, right? And it was, it was a behavioral
• 23:01
  interview. You know, he's pushing my
• 23:02
  buttons and I wouldn't take it. So anyway, so he accepted me.
• 23:06
  You know, I thought I screwed up, you know, by telling him
• 23:10
  that. And he loved it.
• 23:12
  And so as a nuclear submarine officer, I left the Navy because
• 23:17
  I was walking around one night, 616 ballistic missiles with, you
• 23:22
  know, 160 multiple entry warheads.
• 23:26
  And I started crying. I thought that if I had launched
• 23:29
  the nuclear missiles, everyone and everything I knew would be
• 23:32
  dead and I wouldn't do it. And I thought I'd spend my life
• 23:35
  in the Navy. I mean, in my yearbook it says
• 23:37
  JD. My name is Jonathan David
• 23:39
  Messenger, but that's too long to fit on my name tag.
• 23:42
  So everything in the Navy and military said JD.
• 23:45
  Alright, so that's how I got the nickname JD Juvenile delinquent.
• 23:50
  And so I left the Navy and became an Exxon executive and
• 23:56
  you know I did products pricing and inventory management and and
• 24:00
  when the Valdez all spill happened, I supervised the
• 24:03
  Valdez all spill clean up and managed a billion dollars and
• 24:07
  fleet of you know, hundreds of ships and aircraft.
• 24:10
  And so here I've been in this business that I loved and I saw
• 24:16
  500,000 dead birds and 50,000 dead otters.
• 24:21
  I remember. Whales and I mean, it almost
• 24:24
  makes me cry now and it, it, it, it is emotionally affecting me
• 24:29
  at this moment, you know, and I was like, God, do I have to
• 24:33
  leave another company, you know, another business.
• 24:35
  And, and so I led the the first business process redesign when
• 24:42
  Michael Hammer and James Champi came out with business process
• 24:47
  in the in the early 90s and, and SAP came out with the first
• 24:52
  process based. So I led the corporate redesign
• 24:55
  for Exxon, which turns out no one had ever done.
• 24:59
  So then I got recruited by Booz Allen, Deloitte and Accenture
• 25:04
  and Ernst and Young. And I left Exxon and became an
• 25:07
  Ernst and Young partner. And unbeknownst to me then, I
• 25:12
  was one of the four global Energy Partners in Ernst and
• 25:16
  Young. And so, you know, they took a
• 25:19
  bunch of Texans and they they said, well, there's that short
• 25:22
  guy from New York, why don't we send him as far away as
• 25:25
  possible, right? So they said, would you go to
• 25:27
  China? And I was like, yeah, that
• 25:30
  sounds great, right? You know, so I did.
• 25:34
  And so that business, the reason I'm telling a few stories like
• 25:38
  the Rick over about to say are going to relate to my character
• 25:43
  and nature. So I went over and studied.
• 25:46
  It was a $2,000,000 business in 18 countries, Asia Pacific.
• 25:49
  And I came back and said, look, this is $100 million business in
• 25:53
  two years. And they said were you smoking
• 25:56
  opium over there? And I said, you know, I gave
• 25:59
  them my explanation. So they sent me and two senior
• 26:02
  managers and they said we'll give you 2 years.
• 26:05
  So one of the things I'm really good at which in hindsight is my
• 26:12
  natural ability to tap into ideas and insights which I
• 26:16
  didn't know at the time. All right, you know, this is
• 26:18
  1997 or so now. My near death experience was
• 26:23
  2000. The book was 2012.
• 26:25
  So I had like this vision of using the Internet and while
• 26:31
  we're putting in global systems so we can do global product
• 26:35
  management, global customer management, global order
• 26:38
  fulfillment. So we could now merge giant
• 26:41
  companies and have tremendous efficiencies.
• 26:44
  And so I wrote the merger and integration methodology and then
• 26:49
  I sold it and, and LED the ExxonMobil merger and other
• 26:53
  Merbers. And then I looked at, you know,
• 26:56
  these systems and said, you know, we can, we can take back
• 26:59
  offices and finance and consolidate all the finance
• 27:03
  departments. So I wrote the outsourcing
• 27:05
  methodology and this is going to come back to be writing a human
• 27:11
  methodology called Life Fusion 20 years later.
• 27:15
  So then I let all the outsourcing.
• 27:17
  And so I called up after 2 years and said I failed.
• 27:21
  We're only 75,000,000, but in six months we were now 120
• 27:26
  million. I was selling 10,000,020
• 27:28
  million, $30 million CESK. Nobody had ever done this
• 27:32
  before. You know, they're like holy
• 27:34
  mackerel. I can consolidate 18 back
• 27:36
  offices into one finance department in a call center in
• 27:40
  Singapore. Standard processes and
• 27:43
  procedures and so. Seems like a good idea to send
• 27:47
  that guy from New York to China. Yeah, right.
• 27:49
  You know, so so they made me the CEO and I became I was the
• 27:56
  channel news Asia IT person of the week.
• 27:59
  And then I was the CNBC nominated to be the Asia Pacific
• 28:03
  CNBCCEO. And then the Singapore Prime
• 28:06
  Minister hired me to lead his innovation project.
• 28:10
  One day I got called to the Singapore White House and my
• 28:15
  secretary's like the Prime Minister wants to see.
• 28:18
  I said why she goes, I don't know, you know, So I go to the,
• 28:22
  the, the prime minister's house thinking he's going to ask me
• 28:24
  some big question about innovation.
• 28:26
  He he wanted opinions on decorating something that's
• 28:30
  like. That's so funny me.
• 28:32
  You have to decorate his. House or something, you know.
• 28:35
  But anyway, I I became an advisor to Malaysian sultans and
• 28:39
  Chinese government designed and implemented the first power
• 28:42
  systems in China. It's John Dong.
• 28:48
  I can't remember the name of the province, 300 million people,
• 28:52
  you know, turning the lights on in the integrated power system
• 28:55
  first time. So, you know, I was a much
• 28:57
  taller person. I I was very important back
• 28:59
  then. Right ego, right?
• 29:02
  Right you were you. Were playing the material.
• 29:05
  Yeah, I was. I was hiding behind the the mask
• 29:07
  and playing in the world of form, thinking how important and
• 29:10
  smart I was and. Oh, and you were winning that.
• 29:14
  Game. I was winning that game.
• 29:16
  Yeah. Living in a beautiful house, 3
• 29:19
  beautiful children, fancy cars, watches, clothes, suits,
• 29:23
  drivers, yeah, servants, whatever.
• 29:26
  And I had broken my neck in the submarine for well, in 1985 I
• 29:33
  was supervising the refueling of the nuclear reactor on on the
• 29:36
  submarine in Newport News. And Long story short, I got hit
• 29:41
  in the head by a crane, snapped my neck back, crushed the
• 29:44
  vertebrae. C567.
• 29:46
  I think this is described in depth in the book.
• 29:48
  So that went through traction and healing and you know, but
• 29:52
  now it's, it's 1999 and I'm an important person and, and I'm
• 29:56
  starting to hurt. So what I do, I I pop pain pills
• 30:01
  and more pain pills, and by January of 2000, I'm getting
• 30:06
  goosebumps. I don't know if you're getting
• 30:08
  it yet, but yeah. But I'm oblivious to the fact
• 30:11
  that this arm doesn't work anymore, that, that the nerves
• 30:16
  are being crushed, that I can't lift a pound, that I'm popping
• 30:21
  an entire bottles of pain bills. So every four days.
• 30:26
  So on January 18th I get up and I go in the shower, turn the
• 30:30
  water on and I put my arms up in the air to stretch and whatever
• 30:36
  was holding something together popped and it it started.
• 30:41
  But my, my my vertebrae like twisted and I was.
• 30:46
  The pain was beyond explanation. It was like someone was
• 30:51
  splitting me in half with an axe.
• 30:54
  And I scream and I crawl along the wall.
• 31:00
  And then I, I flew out of my body and my wife came in and my
• 31:06
  body, I can see it, I'm like 10 feet above and it flops onto the
• 31:11
  desk and it flops onto the floor and Marianne's crying and I am
• 31:18
  sucked backwards like at warp speed going through the the
• 31:23
  light tunnel. And it's beautiful and there's
• 31:27
  no pain. There's no suffering, there's no
• 31:29
  sadness. It was, it was blissful.
• 31:31
  And rooted in love. Oh, it's, it's beautiful.
• 31:34
  I mean, and it, I mean, I can see, I, I saw it.
• 31:37
  Like I said, I have this photographic memory.
• 31:38
  I can see every one of these events like they were yesterday.
• 31:41
  And it's beautiful twisting and turning and lights and sparklers
• 31:45
  and, you know, mostly blue and white and scintillating lights
• 31:49
  and all that. And I come out like in, in, in
• 31:54
  space and there's a light and I start going towards light.
• 32:00
  And the light it, it was kind of like like this glowing orb, you
• 32:04
  might say. And as I got closer, it started
• 32:08
  to take more form and it was like a dark purple.
• 32:11
  It's like, it's like a live like pulsing.
• 32:15
  And then, and then I, I would go through it.
• 32:17
  It was almost like I was going through doors or chambers and it
• 32:21
  would then like pink and blue and whatever.
• 32:23
  And then I get to the end and it's like bam, like amazing,
• 32:28
  pure white light. The next thing I know is I'm a
• 32:32
  reject on the other side. They kicked me out and I go
• 32:36
  back. Winters time.
• 32:38
  Yeah, I I go back. They're like, right, 11 days and
• 32:41
  hey. Get the hell out of here,
• 32:43
  messenger. And no so so they take, I'm in
• 32:50
  the Singapore hospital, they take bone out of my hip and they
• 32:53
  put it in my neck too. And the doctors say we're not
• 32:58
  putting anything in your body that wasn't there when you were
• 33:02
  born. So no screws and plates, no
• 33:04
  cadaver boom, which means you're going to have a healthier
• 33:07
  recovery, but a long recovery because now you have to be
• 33:11
  immobilized. And they had moved my trachea
• 33:14
  out. You know, my nerves were crushed
• 33:17
  here, here, here. My trachea.
• 33:20
  So unlike, I can't feel a lot of stuff.
• 33:22
  I can't talk, I can't walk. All right, So that's the, that's
• 33:27
  the. Yeah, and you're laid up for a
• 33:30
  long time. I'm laying in bed.
• 33:34
  I, I won't go through all the detail, but it, it, it took 30
• 33:37
  days to learn how to walk and talk and chew gum again.
• 33:40
  Six months before I'm really full recovered, But during my
• 33:43
  recovery, I'm laying in bed staring at the plaster and I'm
• 33:49
  mad at God. I'm a AAA battery.
• 33:51
  I, I got work to do. There's flowers all around me
• 33:55
  and cards and and I'm crying and I shout at God, why'd you do
• 34:01
  this to me in silence? I'm like, why'd you do this to
• 34:04
  me? And the door handle less than
• 34:06
  one minute goes jiggle, jiggle. And my three-year old son come
• 34:09
  in, comes in and he goes, Daddy, you work too hard in your
• 34:13
  leaves. I'm like, huh?
• 34:17
  The next day I'm like, oh God, I work too hard.
• 34:19
  Really, What am I supposed to do in silence?
• 34:22
  All right, I'm seeing all this. All right, jiggle, jiggle. 3
• 34:26
  year old comes in and he goes, daddy, you need to play.
• 34:29
  And it leaves well the left brain nuclear engine or math
• 34:33
  majors like what? What is God?
• 34:35
  Is Grant answering my prayers from God?
• 34:38
  How many sayings does a three-year old have?
• 34:41
  What's the probability of him coming in my room in any random
• 34:45
  one minute? What's the probability of him
• 34:48
  saying something that answers a question which he didn't hear?
• 34:52
  So I calculate the probability conservatively as one in 1000,
• 34:57
  and it happened twice. So that's one in a million.
• 35:00
  So I'm like, OK, God, OK, I work too hard.
• 35:04
  I need to play. All right, now I'm going to say
• 35:07
  a prayer. God, I want you to tell me, what
• 35:08
  am I supposed to do? Jiggle, jiggle Door opens.
• 35:13
  Grant comes in and he's dancing around right in a circle going
• 35:18
  we member, we member, we member, we member, 'cause he couldn't
• 35:22
  say his ours, right? Right.
• 35:23
  He's saying remember, remember, remember, remember.
• 35:25
  And I'm thinking, I'm like, and then he leaves and I'm laying in
• 35:29
  bed going holy crap, that's one in a billion.
• 35:34
  Remember what, right? That bothered me for years,
• 35:38
  right? Remember, the answer is remember
• 35:41
  who you are, right? Remember where you came from,
• 35:44
  right? Remember why you're here, right?
• 35:47
  But that took me years. So I spent another two years and
• 35:53
  in that first it'd work. And I, I had, remember a left
• 36:00
  brain nuclear engineer, math major, I, you know, I would say
• 36:06
  I believed in God or I had faith, I prayed, I was Catholic
• 36:10
  and all that sort of stuff. But the truth is I didn't, you
• 36:13
  know, and the vast majority of people that say they have faith
• 36:17
  really don't. We'll talk about what it really
• 36:20
  means to have faith, to really believe and to trust and to take
• 36:25
  the leap. Because when you have faith, you
• 36:27
  take the leap, you know you're going to be saved and whether
• 36:32
  whatever it is starting up a company, right, you know, or a
• 36:35
  product or an invention. So I'm having out of body
• 36:39
  experiences. I'm living with one foot in my
• 36:43
  physical world and 1 foot in the invisible world.
• 36:47
  Like ever since your near death experience.
• 36:49
  Right, that's how and and so I'll be sitting in my chair and
• 36:53
  I'll have a vision like a video play.
• 36:55
  And one was, the first one was a funeral at Chinese Funeral.
• 36:59
  I saw hers and all that. Two days later I'm walking,
• 37:02
  going to lunch and boom, there it is.
• 37:05
  Exactly from the angle I was like, well, and then I saw
• 37:14
  terrorist activities, which really scared me.
• 37:17
  And they came true. And then I had a client and I
• 37:23
  had the vision that the company was going to go blind because
• 37:26
  they were doing a system integration and they turned the
• 37:29
  old system off before testing the new system.
• 37:33
  I called that CEO at like 6:00 in the morning saying, don't
• 37:36
  turn your old system off. And they're like, what's the
• 37:40
  matter with you? You know, I'm the CEO of work
• 37:41
  saying, no, you know, I'm advising the Prime Minister that
• 37:44
  I sound like a crazy person. Of course he thinks I'm crazy
• 37:47
  and tells me I need to go on a vacation.
• 37:49
  And of course, he turns his system off and his system and
• 37:53
  they, the company crashes, they lose all control bank banking
• 37:57
  account. They almost went bankrupt.
• 37:58
  Wow. So one day I see an Angel flight
• 38:05
  float down. You know, it turns out it was
• 38:09
  Yogananda, Paramahansa Yogananda.
• 38:11
  And it's, it's, it's like I'm seeing this spirit who's an
• 38:16
  androgynous being, beautiful, like feminine face, long flowing
• 38:21
  hair. I can see it like today right
• 38:22
  here, like in a green toga, half a body, masculine.
• 38:27
  I go like, like this, put my hand through it.
• 38:31
  My niece just like smiling at me.
• 38:33
  And he tells me something to do. And we'll get, we'll get to that
• 38:36
  later. But I think I'm going crazy,
• 38:40
  right? You know, I really do.
• 38:43
  I quit my job and I have to go search for answers so I'll I'll
• 38:48
  pause. There and yeah, well, I mean,
• 38:50
  let's talk about that journey because because I know you went
• 38:54
  on a long, what I'm going to call a soul quest, you know, my
• 38:59
  real soul quest. I would say I, I, I would
• 39:03
  definitely say that I found my divine purpose when I was 7.
• 39:06
  Like my purpose has always been to create a better world through
• 39:11
  technology. You know, Judaism is all about
• 39:13
  tukun Alam to, to repair the world, and I know that that's
• 39:17
  what I meant to do in this lifetime.
• 39:20
  And now I'm at the ultimate manifestation of that.
• 39:22
  Purpose. You're at the third act in the
• 39:24
  Hero's Journey. Exactly.
• 39:26
  And and so I found that early, I did have voices talking to me
• 39:34
  very early on, reading me on. And yeah, exactly.
• 39:40
  Like, like, you know, this is the right thing.
• 39:43
  And that allowed me to get through a lot of forces around
• 39:51
  me telling me that I was ruining my life, you know, not my mom.
• 39:54
  My mom always completely embraced it.
• 39:56
  She knew I was, I was rooted in my purpose.
• 40:00
  She knew I'd found my mission in life.
• 40:02
  But a lot of other forces, the kids at school, the extended
• 40:08
  family members telling my mom that I didn't know how to do
• 40:11
  anything else but program. And that's all I did.
• 40:14
  My third grade teacher who had an intervention with my mom, I
• 40:18
  didn't find out about this until I was in my 20s where she
• 40:22
  literally held her by the shoulders and she said your son
• 40:26
  is going to be a loser. All he'd inside to do to his
• 40:29
  work on the computer. All the greatest things that I
• 40:33
  am most proud of that were incredible creations and
• 40:37
  innovations. Every single time somebody told
• 40:41
  me I was an idiot or crazy. Every time.
• 40:44
  And I love it now when somebody tells me that because that means
• 40:47
  I thought of something or I have an idea where it came from, like
• 40:51
  me or beyond, that is so far out of the realm of someone else's
• 40:56
  consciousness. It's going to be fantastic.
• 40:58
  Yeah. Yeah.
• 40:59
  Yeah, I was a great sign. I was told I was an idiot for
• 41:02
  core metrics. That was a $300 million outcome.
• 41:05
  I was told I was an idiot for bizarre voice.
• 41:07
  That was a billion dollar rock cricket.
• 41:09
  I was told I was an idiot for dated out world ServiceNow
• 41:12
  bought the company on 7/7. So so it's I've got a long
• 41:16
  history of being called an idiot or being called a nerd, but I've
• 41:20
  always known that that was my purpose.
• 41:23
  And, and by the way, I have I, I want to make a point of this.
• 41:25
  I literally don't have a single bit of hatred in my heart for
• 41:31
  any of that, any of the people that picked on me when I was a
• 41:35
  kid at all. Like, I don't, I don't think
• 41:37
  about them in any type of mean way.
• 41:41
  You know, it's, you know, it, it's, it is part of the human
• 41:45
  experience. I mean, part of the human
• 41:47
  experiences in the world of form is this consistency bias of
• 41:53
  like, oh, you're straying away from the herd.
• 41:55
  Like, what are you doing? Like get back.
• 41:57
  You know, I loved there's that movie.
• 42:00
  Gosh, what was that movie called?
• 42:02
  What Nick, Nick Cage was the actor for it.
• 42:06
  And it's a caveman story. I'll think of the name in a in a
• 42:09
  moment. But he was the caveman that was
• 42:11
  so brave that he went outside The Cave.
• 42:13
  Jonathan Livingston Seagull Story.
• 42:16
  It's a Jonathan Livingston seagull story which I actually
• 42:18
  covered in the episode Episode 20 with Mike Maples Junior.
• 42:23
  That was a fantastic episode. That was his favorite book
• 42:27
  growing up, the book that his dad used to always read to him
• 42:31
  about, you know, the power of possibility.
• 42:33
  And it's actually, that's a very spiritual book, actually.
• 42:35
  Yeah. That's a really, really great
• 42:36
  one. But but, you know, he basically,
• 42:40
  you know, transcended that and brought humanity out of the
• 42:44
  caves. But everybody thought he was
• 42:46
  crazy. Like, you're gonna just get
• 42:47
  killed for it. It was actually, sorry.
• 42:50
  It was his daughter that that was the one that brought him out
• 42:54
  of it, you know, kicking and screaming into the light.
• 42:58
  So this is a story as old as, you know, human history on
• 43:01
  Earth, I think. Well, you know, you mentioned
• 43:04
  the wounds. I don't have any animosity,
• 43:08
  anger or hatred now, but I did of course at the.
• 43:13
  Time, whatever was. Happened was so I quit my job
• 43:17
  and I go on my quest and I start I go through 50 or 100 books
• 43:27
  self matters by Doctor Phil and but a bunch of things miraculous
• 43:34
  things started happening. One is, I think you talked to
• 43:38
  one of your guests about many lives, many masters on the last
• 43:42
  day when I was in the office. You've heard this story, but.
• 43:46
  Oh, I love it. I love this I.
• 43:48
  I'm in my office as the CEO. It's a last day or second to
• 43:52
  last day and I'm looking at all my awards and medals and
• 43:58
  platters, silver platters and whatever.
• 44:00
  And I'm thinking doesn't mean anything to me.
• 44:03
  You know, I've got all kinds of stuff and, and I look at my
• 44:08
  bookshelf of my credenza and their books are in height
• 44:12
  formation and one of them's out of height formation, you know,
• 44:15
  So I go to there and I take that book and I look at it and it was
• 44:18
  Many Lies, Many Masters by Doctor Brian Weiss.
• 44:21
  And I'm like, I don't know where I got it.
• 44:23
  You know, I didn't buy it. Somebody gave it to me, right?
• 44:26
  Psychologist talking about past life regressions and this is
• 44:30
  crazy. Put it back on the bookshelf and
• 44:33
  a woman comes in my office to say goodbye and her name is
• 44:36
  Pearly. Her husband had had cancer and I
• 44:40
  let her take off from work with pay.
• 44:43
  She end up taking like 3 months. That's OK.
• 44:47
  And she was very grateful, sad I was leaving crying.
• 44:52
  And as she turns to leave, she reaches over to the bookshelf
• 44:57
  and I'm like watching this like in slow motion.
• 44:59
  And he pulls out a book and she hands it to me and says you've
• 45:02
  got to read this book and it's many lives, many masters.
• 45:06
  Well, OK, all right, math major, you know, one in 50 is what, 2%,
• 45:12
  right? What's the chance of she picks
• 45:15
  up a book? I pick up a book.
• 45:16
  What's the chance of either one of us picked up a book and
• 45:19
  multiply that together and you're like, well, you know,
• 45:22
  this is one of the thousand or something that this even
• 45:26
  happened. I'm like, well, that was weird.
• 45:28
  So I throw it in my bag and I go home and I have nothing to do
• 45:32
  because I'm not working anymore. Really.
• 45:35
  And so I go to watch TV, which I'd never done.
• 45:39
  I mean, I, I, I'm like not to watch TV in six months, right?
• 45:42
  So I go visit, sit in the chair. It's like 9:00 at night.
• 45:46
  I'm in Singapore. Most of the channels aren't
• 45:49
  English. You know, we've got maids that
• 45:53
  watch whatever language channel they're watching.
• 45:55
  I, I don't know what you know. And so I turn the TV on.
• 45:59
  Of course there's an English Channel and there's a teacher.
• 46:02
  The show ends up being 9-O21-O, but I don't know that at the
• 46:05
  time. Yeah, Deborah and I used to
• 46:07
  watch that. There's a woman walking around.
• 46:09
  She's a teacher in a classroom and she's handing out a book.
• 46:13
  And she says, today we're going to be talking about this book
• 46:17
  and it's many lives, many masters, right, Right.
• 46:20
  Like ice cream, right, 'cause the math, ma'am, is already,
• 46:24
  what's the chance I turned on the TV?
• 46:26
  What's the chance that there was anybody talking about a book and
• 46:31
  then any of a million books, you know, you know, 1,000,000 * 1000
• 46:36
  is what, a billion, right? I'm like, this is not an
• 46:42
  accident, right? I, I read through that book
• 46:45
  right away that night, read the whole thing.
• 46:49
  And of course, as you mentioned in the prior episode, it's about
• 46:53
  a Yale graduate chief of psychotherapy who does
• 46:57
  regression, finds out this woman is talking about past life
• 47:01
  experiences, which he then researches, finds out everything
• 47:05
  she said is accurate, writes the book, sells 10 million copies
• 47:10
  and. It's a great book and it's it's
• 47:13
  it's a especially a great one on on Audible.
• 47:15
  He reads the book, Doctor Weiss, and it's only an hour and a half
• 47:20
  long. Listen, but it's really
• 47:22
  profound, especially the part where, at least for me, what was
• 47:27
  most profound, there's many profound moments is when she's
• 47:31
  channeling with the beings in the in between state, the in
• 47:36
  between where she is reincarnated.
• 47:38
  And he starts asking questions of these divine beings that are
• 47:42
  helping her decide which life to go into next.
• 47:46
  And in the book, she didn't even want to hear the audio recording
• 47:51
  of that because she was just like, that's really weird.
• 47:53
  It didn't even sound like her. At that point, so, so let's
• 47:57
  share some of the mystical things that started bombard me.
• 48:01
  So they, the Angel Yogananda tells me to make a television
• 48:06
  show. Short version of that.
• 48:08
  It's the world's first entrepreneur reality TV show.
• 48:13
  I've never done anything like that.
• 48:15
  I think that I'm going to help create the idea and no one wants
• 48:21
  to do it because no one's ever done done it.
• 48:23
  So I end up creating it, producing it, hosting it, and it
• 48:27
  hits #1 and it's time slot and channel.
• 48:29
  And it's a world first innovation that then is filmed
• 48:32
  by Discovery Channel and shown around the world for a new
• 48:36
  entrepreneur who made an entrepreneur television show
• 48:39
  that gets copied by Donald Trump who turned it into Apprentice.
• 48:43
  And mine was an uplift the lifting loving story.
• 48:46
  And he turns it to your fired story.
• 48:49
  You never said you're fired on yours.
• 48:51
  Yeah, no, no, absolutely not. I'm having these visions of
• 48:57
  things that happen in the future.
• 48:59
  My neck, which was solid bone and it heals because now,
• 49:05
  remember, it's two years later now that I quit, it's 2000 and
• 49:09
  three, 2004. I go for a checkup.
• 49:12
  My neck and three inches of solid bone.
• 49:15
  You know, I'm like this, but I had been going to all kinds of
• 49:19
  healers. I went to you know, I'm doing
• 49:22
  Reiki, I'm doing yoga, I'm doing energy healing for a reason.
• 49:26
  I'll tell you another story. And and my neck, my vertebrae
• 49:32
  regenerate. And the doctors who they were
• 49:37
  the top doctors in Asia, because I mean my Co partner was a
• 49:42
  member of parliament and working for the Prime Minister when they
• 49:45
  heard messenger went down, they called in the best, you know,
• 49:49
  and these doctors, they they do an X-ray, they do an MRI, they
• 49:53
  do ACT scan and they put the stuff on the wall and they say,
• 49:57
  you see how your bone was solid now your vertebrae have
• 50:01
  regenerated. What have you been doing?
• 50:04
  You know, this is a medical miracle now.
• 50:07
  I since have told once this comes out in 2012, you know, I'm
• 50:12
  now walking around the country showing my X-rays, and I'll bet
• 50:15
  you at least 40 doctors have looked at it and gone.
• 50:19
  This is impossible. It's like the story with a man.
• 50:22
  Yeah. Who gave some cost and who?
• 50:23
  He cured it, blindly cured his eyes.
• 50:25
  Is that right? So.
• 50:25
  Three, you know they're going. This isn't the the evidence is
• 50:28
  right in front of them. You know, solid bone
• 50:32
  regenerated. I had all kinds of other things.
• 50:36
  I'm walking down the street, some guy in a turban, I hear
• 50:40
  shouting, You're not doing what God wants you to do.
• 50:44
  And like, you know what? And I turn around and it's like
• 50:48
  he's pointing at me, all right. And I'm like, are you talking to
• 50:52
  me? He goes, you're not doing what
• 50:53
  God wants you to do. You know, I, another time I, I
• 50:58
  wrote a chapter of a book which I have yet to publish.
• 51:02
  It's like a memoir. And the chapter is, is divine
• 51:05
  intervention real question mark. So I'm sitting in a cab and, you
• 51:10
  know, Singapore's most dense place, you know, in the, in the
• 51:13
  world, your work at walking on the bottom of the feed, somebody
• 51:17
  else walking on the top. There could be 10 people 5 feet
• 51:20
  away and you'd never see them, you know?
• 51:22
  So if the cab stops at a street light and I look out the window,
• 51:25
  there's somebody I know. I go, hi.
• 51:27
  He goes, hi. I wheeled, you know, wheel down
• 51:30
  the window in the taxi and I go, hey, wow, how about that?
• 51:34
  Amazing. Good to see you.
• 51:36
  And he goes, must be a divine intervention.
• 51:38
  I'm like, all right, just editing this chapter with a
• 51:42
  question mark. So after the cab pulls away, I
• 51:45
  cross off the question mark. Right.
• 51:47
  So then another thing that happened is I'm making the
• 51:52
  television show, and one of my staff sells the Monroe Institute
• 51:57
  Brain Wave tapes, and she's at a holistic fair, you know,
• 52:01
  candles, psychic readers, all this kind of stuff.
• 52:05
  And I'm like, that was weird. You know, I've never done any of
• 52:10
  that. So she wants me to come.
• 52:11
  I go there to buy tapes, and she goes, oh, you need to get a
• 52:14
  reading. I'm like, what's a reading?
• 52:17
  She goes, Eric, he'll read your aura.
• 52:19
  I'm like, what's an aura? She goes, just do it.
• 52:22
  I'm like, it's just like a psychic thing.
• 52:24
  I'm not doing that. She goes, oh, yeah, yes, you
• 52:26
  are. You know, well, one of the
• 52:28
  things that happened when I was 19 years old, my father who had
• 52:34
  beaten me, you know, he gave me a watch for my 18th birthday,
• 52:39
  which is the only president I ever got from him.
• 52:42
  And when I was sailing in Annapolis, the the wristband
• 52:46
  broke and I dove in the water to save it and I nearly drowned.
• 52:50
  OK, never got it, but I nearly drowned.
• 52:53
  I had foul weather gear on, went down deeper and deeper and I
• 52:56
  couldn't come back up. So flash forward from 1977 to
• 53:01
  2003 or 2004 and I go see this guy Eric, and I'm not believing
• 53:08
  any of this. And so he does some kind of
• 53:12
  whatever and he goes, when you were 19 years old, you nearly
• 53:15
  drowned. He has it has something to do
• 53:18
  with your father. Like, all right, what I'm like,
• 53:22
  you know, I mean, no one knew this.
• 53:25
  And he said you have to stop denying how you were saved.
• 53:29
  I'm like, I'm like reliving the moment, almost, almost joking
• 53:32
  and drowning. You know, you're back there
• 53:34
  PTSD. I'm like, how, how was I saved?
• 53:37
  He said Archangel Michael saved to.
• 53:40
  I mean over and over and over I mean, I could tell you another
• 53:44
  50 story. I'm being bombarded by these
• 53:47
  things. I really think I'm going crazy,
• 53:49
  right so that this is when so I launch a television show I'll.
• 53:53
  Just tell you one thing real quickly.
• 53:54
  Yeah, because this is this is pretty cool.
• 53:56
  Like this week I spoke at UT Austin and someone approached me
• 54:05
  and has been listening to the podcast and they said, hey, I
• 54:11
  want you to know that just a month ago I was saved in the
• 54:19
  most horrific car accident of my life.
• 54:22
  And she said I was saved by an Angel.
• 54:26
  I, I, I the, the impact of the 18 Wheeler hitting like with
• 54:31
  full force. I mean, the car practically
• 54:34
  exploded. I immediately felt an Angel wrap
• 54:39
  around me and, you know, with white light.
• 54:43
  Yeah, and I was saved. Well.
• 54:45
  And it was it was just this week and it's now my 9th friend that
• 54:52
  told me a dear death experience story. 9th friend this year
• 54:56
  there's. So many.
• 54:58
  So with all these 500 clients I've had, I can tell you how
• 55:02
  many of them have had near death experiences and they don't even
• 55:05
  know it yet until I do a regression with them.
• 55:09
  I guess I'll tell, I'll tell you one more story because it's
• 55:11
  important about Brian Weiss. So about a year later, 2005, I
• 55:18
  see Brian Weiss is doing the training program in New York.
• 55:21
  I'm in Singapore, my sister's in New York.
• 55:24
  I call up my sister at 10:00 PM, her 10 AM and I go, hey, Brian
• 55:30
  Weiss is doing this regression certification training program.
• 55:35
  Why don't we go to it and and I hear Bing and she goes, oh, you
• 55:39
  read my e-mail and like what e-mail, right?
• 55:41
  She goes, I just sent you an e-mail.
• 55:43
  I said, I think I just got your e-mail.
• 55:45
  She goes, you didn't call me because of my e-mail.
• 55:47
  I said, I haven't read your e-mail.
• 55:49
  I read her e-mail. It says, it says, let's go see
• 55:52
  Brian Weiss, right? You know, I've been like, right.
• 55:56
  You know, this is this is not unusual.
• 55:59
  We are, we are senders and receivers.
• 56:02
  This is a transducer and receiver.
• 56:04
  We are thought sharing machines. I'm a part of you.
• 56:07
  You're a part of me. We are all, a part of everything
• 56:10
  and everyone everywhere all the time.
• 56:12
  OK, this is where we're going. You know, don't get confused
• 56:15
  accused audience with the phenomenon or the wow, that's
• 56:18
  crazy. This is a part of the true
• 56:20
  nature of reality. You know where I'm going is you
• 56:24
  don't have a soul. We are a soul.
• 56:26
  We are an eternal being. We are a light being.
• 56:29
  And so these confirmations and experiences and angels and all
• 56:35
  that, believe it or not, they're, they're happening all
• 56:37
  the time, almost every day with people, you know, who never tell
• 56:43
  anyone. I didn't write that book or tell
• 56:45
  my story for 12 years. Why?
• 56:49
  Because I was ashamed, right? I was afraid.
• 56:51
  People thought I was crazy. And of course, guess what?
• 56:54
  It comes out and all of a sudden you know I'm a speaker and
• 56:58
  people want me to be a coach and you know I created the Messenger
• 57:02
  Institute and on and on and on. I mean the amazing things that
• 57:07
  happen after my wake up call is I went from living a life with a
• 57:13
  mask hiding behind form. You know, we have 3 preferred.
• 57:16
  We have 3 psychological modes, an instinctive mode like the
• 57:20
  child wear the wounds, an expected mode where we are
• 57:24
  acting the way we expect society wants, and the preferred mode.
• 57:29
  So in my preferred mode, now you're in your preferred.
• 57:31
  No, we're authentic, we're transparent, we've conquered our
• 57:35
  fears and wounds. We forgave.
• 57:37
  You know, I forgave my dad, forgave my mom, went through the
• 57:40
  ceiling, do my regressions with Brian Weiss, whatever.
• 57:43
  Become trained to do this with other people, you know, learn
• 57:47
  how to feel wounds, find wounds and blocks and we'll get into
• 57:51
  all that and this is the journey.
• 57:54
  And then, you know, we hit the third act in the hero heroine's
• 57:58
  journey. This book came out three months
• 58:02
  after I started the third act, my final act in the in the great
• 58:07
  play, You know, that's when, and that's where you are now, you
• 58:10
  know, and that's when everything we've done in our entire life is
• 58:15
  when you know, it comes to play. Yeah, yeah, beautiful.
• 58:20
  You know, I've had so many moments where I've literally
• 58:23
  been hit over the head by the divine.
• 58:26
  It's like wake up, wake up, wake up.
• 58:29
  And one of them I told on I think it might have even been my
• 58:33
  first episode of this podcast happened recently in the Grand
• 58:37
  Canyon. I'll just retell that story
• 58:40
  because it's it was 1 where it's just like so incredibly obvious.
• 58:44
  So I became good friends with this woman Becca there and she
• 58:50
  and I, she and I still talk. She's awesome.
• 58:53
  And we were talking about our experiences since our since her
• 59:00
  dad passed away and my parents have passed away and how
• 59:02
  sometimes they send us signs and.
• 59:06
  Coins and then his quarters. Yes, and in the middle of us was
• 59:10
  this guy. Maybe I shouldn't mention his
• 59:13
  name because I haven't gotten his permission, but Becca told
• 59:18
  me I could tell the story and. And he, you know, I would say he
• 59:22
  was spiritually curious, you know, kind of like skeptical.
• 59:25
  Yeah. I was a complete skeptic.
• 59:27
  Yeah, because, you know, when you're in the Grand Canyon, you
• 59:30
  have no phone access at all, like you can't get a signal and
• 59:36
  you have no electricity. And so it's all just presence
• 59:39
  and beautiful, beautiful things happen with human beings when
• 59:43
  you just have to focus on each other and just be with each
• 59:47
  other, right? And so I had so many
• 59:51
  conversations with him about spirituality and about my
• 59:56
  awakening and about psychedelics and all types of things.
• 59:59
  We were just really jamming on it.
• 1:00:01
  And he was into it. But, you know, I would say, you
• 1:00:04
  know, kind of spiritually curious.
• 1:00:06
  And so he's sitting in the middle and I was like.
• 1:00:11
  You know, what type of signs do you get?
• 1:00:14
  And she's like, she gets all these amazing stories, like the
• 1:00:18
  probability, like your math brain would have been exploding
• 1:00:22
  with the billions and billions of, you know, chance of these
• 1:00:26
  things happening a pennies, you know, pennies just constantly
• 1:00:30
  pennies all over, like all these inexplicable things.
• 1:00:35
  And she, you know, I, I tell her like one of the animal signs are
• 1:00:41
  things like, you know, deer, goats, you know, sometimes
• 1:00:44
  birds. And literally is the moment I'm
• 1:00:47
  saying goat, a goat appears up on the Ridge at sunset,
• 1:00:54
  majestically illuminated in the Grand Canyon where there's 27 US
• 1:00:58
  of us in the party. Everybody looks up at the goat,
• 1:01:02
  like literally everybody. Just like this is just such a
• 1:01:05
  majestic view, including, you know, the gentleman we're with.
• 1:01:11
  And I said, you know, it's kind of like that.
• 1:01:16
  It's kind of like that. But then he says, OK, this is
• 1:01:19
  going to sound really weird, but at the campsite, and that's the
• 1:01:22
  only time this had ever happened in all the campsites.
• 1:01:25
  We we went 277 miles down the Grand Canyon.
• 1:01:29
  OK, You've never done this before?
• 1:01:30
  Yeah. No, I've never.
• 1:01:31
  Grand Canyon Expedition Company. Shout out to them.
• 1:01:34
  GCE x.com. Amazing.
• 1:01:37
  I don't have any advertisers or sponsors on this.
• 1:01:39
  This is just me out of my heart telling, telling you something I
• 1:01:43
  really, really enjoyed. It's it's, it's incredible.
• 1:01:45
  Something to do with your family, with friends, you know,
• 1:01:48
  people you really want to be with a lot.
• 1:01:51
  And he said, setting up my campsite, I found this coin and
• 1:01:58
  he pulls it out and it's so weathered, you can't make it out
• 1:02:02
  at all. I mean, it is like really
• 1:02:04
  weathered. It's like half the size of
• 1:02:05
  whatever it would be. And he says you maybe it's a
• 1:02:09
  Navajo coin or something. You know, maybe this is like
• 1:02:12
  really cool. They go and they wash it off and
• 1:02:16
  they come back and it's a freaking penny.
• 1:02:19
  And he's like blown away. He's like, what just happened
• 1:02:23
  here. You know, this all happens
• 1:02:24
  within the span of a couple of minutes, you know, as we're
• 1:02:28
  around the campfire ready to start dinner.
• 1:02:31
  And you know, I'm getting goosebumps on that, but it just
• 1:02:34
  this I have some mind blowing things happen sometimes multiple
• 1:02:38
  times a. Day, let me tell you, can I tell
• 1:02:40
  you the most one of the most, I mean, so these are happening all
• 1:02:43
  the time. I get signs a lot, electronic
• 1:02:48
  emails, text messages, voice messages.
• 1:02:51
  I'll have a message on my screen and it'll be like a message,
• 1:02:56
  like a text message and you'll open it up and there'll be
• 1:02:59
  nothing there. I'll close my phone and the
• 1:03:02
  message will be there, but there's, there's no message from
• 1:03:05
  anyone, all right, or no address, but the message is on
• 1:03:08
  my screen, you know, so I have this one client, She, her dad
• 1:03:13
  died. She, he had built a road
• 1:03:18
  construction, pavement company, big business.
• 1:03:22
  And she has to take over like age 27 and it's not going well
• 1:03:29
  and they're struggling and I'm working with her and she we're
• 1:03:37
  talking and, and you know, like coaching and, and she goes, you
• 1:03:41
  know, something really strange happened.
• 1:03:44
  I said what she said, well, you know, my house is very clean.
• 1:03:48
  Everything's put away and there's, you know, and things
• 1:03:51
  laying around, it's vacuumed, whatever.
• 1:03:53
  And I was walking across the living room and I stepped on
• 1:03:56
  something and I looked down and it was my dad's 1975 American
• 1:04:03
  Express card. Yeah, that's, like 40 years old.
• 1:04:06
  I'm like, interesting. She goes, oh, it gets better.
• 1:04:10
  She goes, I, like, put it on the dining room table, and I go to
• 1:04:13
  bed and I'm in bed reading, and I roll over and there's
• 1:04:17
  something in my bed. And it was then 1970.
• 1:04:19
  It was the American Express card again, you know, all old and
• 1:04:23
  brittle. And I just start laughing
• 1:04:25
  because we're talking about what is she supposed to do to save
• 1:04:29
  her business? And she's like, why are you
• 1:04:31
  laughing? I said, don't you get it?
• 1:04:33
  She goes, no, I said your dad is telling you to charge it, right?
• 1:04:38
  He's telling you to take out a loan right?
• 1:04:41
  To fix the business? Right, right.
• 1:04:43
  These things happen all the time, right?
• 1:04:47
  They do, yeah. And, you know, again, I you try
• 1:04:52
  to calculate the probability. What was the probability of Eric
• 1:04:55
  saying I nearly drowned? I mean, what percentage people
• 1:04:58
  does that happen to at age 19? What's that percentage that it
• 1:05:03
  had something to do with my father?
• 1:05:05
  You know, I mean, this is at least one in a million shot in
• 1:05:08
  the dark. You know, it's not an accident.
• 1:05:11
  How could that be? Well, the answer is that we hold
• 1:05:16
  all this information in our field, you know, and we can talk
• 1:05:21
  more about that, but that these are the wounds and and well, I
• 1:05:25
  guess, you know, tomorrow we're going to talk about love
• 1:05:29
  conquering fear. So what is fear?
• 1:05:33
  You know, I mean, there's a lot of way these things show up.
• 1:05:37
  Blame, shame, guilt, persecution, betrayal.
• 1:05:41
  You know, if you betrayed, it hurt your heart.
• 1:05:44
  If you're persecuted, you feel like you can't speak.
• 1:05:47
  If you are filled with guilt and shame, it affects your
• 1:05:51
  gallbladder, anger affects your liver, and so on and so on.
• 1:05:56
  And we have in our system, since we are energy and everything is
• 1:06:01
  energy, energy is everything. If I.
• 1:06:03
  And that's true when you go down the quantum.
• 1:06:05
  Level right If I if I dematerialized your body and
• 1:06:09
  took everything out of it that is not solid matter.
• 1:06:13
  That's a neutron All of the neutrons in your body wouldn't
• 1:06:16
  fit on the tip of a pen. So what are you?
• 1:06:20
  What is this chair? It's it's it's pure energy
• 1:06:24
  inform held together by binding forces.
• 1:06:29
  Some people might argue that we've created this illusionary
• 1:06:32
  dream. You know that we know there are
• 1:06:35
  multiple dimensions besides time.
• 1:06:38
  Space, you know. Length, width, height, time, you
• 1:06:41
  know. And you've heard my bit about
• 1:06:44
  Harmon Nevin, you know, the head of quantum computing for Google
• 1:06:49
  speaking at Ted and saying the only thing we can figure out
• 1:06:51
  it's it's computing in a different dimension.
• 1:06:53
  Right, absolutely. So since we're energy, let's,
• 1:06:57
  let's think of a laptop, right? A laptop's got electricity going
• 1:07:02
  through it. It's got circuits that are
• 1:07:04
  sending things. It's got diodes, it's got
• 1:07:08
  resistors, capacitors, whatever. You know, to kind of simplify it
• 1:07:12
  a lot more complicated than that.
• 1:07:14
  But there's circuitry to regulate the flow of
• 1:07:17
  information. What is information?
• 1:07:19
  It is energy, and the energy has bits and bytes.
• 1:07:25
  Well, let me let me say the way this is working, we're taking
• 1:07:29
  these vibrations, turning it into bits and bytes, digits.
• 1:07:34
  That's why we call it digital for there's actually a lot of
• 1:07:37
  people that don't know that it's digital information, ones and
• 1:07:40
  zeros. And that digital information is
• 1:07:43
  trained in turned into a frequency sent through a light
• 1:07:46
  beam and, and boom, right. So every video, every audio,
• 1:07:52
  every television show, radio show is spiritual information.
• 1:07:57
  So this spiritual information is in our body.
• 1:08:00
  You know, there's no hard drive in our brain, right?
• 1:08:03
  It's not like there's a storage unit somewhere.
• 1:08:05
  It's in every cell. You know, they say we have 50 to
• 1:08:09
  100 trillion cells. Every cell has more programming
• 1:08:13
  than the Library of Congress. Maybe 5% of our data capacity is
• 1:08:18
  just programming. 5 gigabytes of programming times 100 trillion
• 1:08:23
  cells. That's a lot of programming.
• 1:08:26
  Still leaves 95% of that amount of space left.
• 1:08:30
  And that's where all this information is stored.
• 1:08:32
  So when we have wounds, when Dad beat me, you know, when I've
• 1:08:36
  been ashamed, when I've been persecuted, that information,
• 1:08:39
  this supercomputer which is processing 38 trillion
• 1:08:43
  operations a second, you know, a million times or something more
• 1:08:47
  powerful than my MacBook, you know these numbers.
• 1:08:50
  And it's only using 25 watts of energy.
• 1:08:53
  I actually learned in episode 12, I did with Byron Reese.
• 1:08:58
  I learned that a baby is running on only 40 watts of energy in
• 1:09:04
  the entire baby. But 25 is the brain.
• 1:09:07
  You know, we are, we are 100 watts of energy right now as
• 1:09:10
  adults. 25 is our brain. So baby, it's just like kind of
• 1:09:14
  like a brain, you know, in a little by, in a little bit.
• 1:09:18
  So let me go to the the circuitry, the fear, the wounds.
• 1:09:21
  So let's summarize what I said. You're an energy being.
• 1:09:27
  You have energy regulators like transistors and diodes.
• 1:09:30
  Those are called your chakras. These chakras, when they're
• 1:09:34
  blocked, they're blocked from wounds.
• 1:09:37
  So, you know, guilt, fear, you know, blame, shame, guilt,
• 1:09:40
  persecution, betrayal. Dad beating me, somebody
• 1:09:43
  embarrassing you, right? That damages the energy CPU and
• 1:09:48
  then that damaged CPU causes, you know, an issue.
• 1:09:53
  Simple example, client calls me up.
• 1:09:56
  She says I'm really struggling. She says what's matter.
• 1:09:59
  She said the they've been happily married for 17 years.
• 1:10:03
  Every November she goes deer hunting with her husband and she
• 1:10:08
  says I've never liked it. And this year I finally told him
• 1:10:12
  I don't want to go. He says why?
• 1:10:14
  She said actually I've never liked it.
• 1:10:16
  See, she was hiding behind the mask doing an expected wife
• 1:10:21
  behavior. I'm supposed to go hunting with
• 1:10:23
  my husband and she tells him no, she's feeling it's February.
• 1:10:28
  She's feeling real guilty now, right?
• 1:10:30
  This is suffering, a self-imposed suffering created
• 1:10:34
  by a program that the wife is supposed to do with husband
• 1:10:38
  wanted, right? So I said, well, you've got a
• 1:10:40
  lot of guilt in you, and you need to be careful because that
• 1:10:44
  guilt will destroy this computer, which will destroy
• 1:10:48
  your gallbladder. And she goes again, what's the
• 1:10:52
  matter? She said, I had my gallbladder
• 1:10:53
  taken out last week. I said, OK, the gallbladder's
• 1:10:56
  gone. The guilt isn't now that wound
• 1:11:00
  is going to move somewhere else. So we have to help you release
• 1:11:04
  that guilt. You know, there was nothing
• 1:11:07
  wrong with that. That's a program.
• 1:11:09
  So this is where you do like regression or other kind of
• 1:11:12
  healing. There's lots of ways, writing
• 1:11:15
  affirmations, all kinds of stuff to help remove the faulty
• 1:11:19
  limited outdated programs. I call them flops.
• 1:11:22
  Faulty, limited outdated program flop.
• 1:11:26
  So back to love conquers fear. Love is the strongest force in
• 1:11:32
  the universe. It's the highest vibration.
• 1:11:34
  It is. It is.
• 1:11:35
  The field of love is 5000 times bigger than a thought, and it's
• 1:11:39
  50 times stronger. And I showed you something that
• 1:11:43
  we're not going to talk about tonight, that it blankly showed
• 1:11:46
  that the power of love can manipulate physical matter,
• 1:11:50
  right? Yes, absolutely guaranteed.
• 1:11:54
  I did that as an experiment to prove it.
• 1:11:56
  I proved it right. And love is a force.
• 1:11:59
  Now. Love is not a Moray.
• 1:12:01
  It's not arrows. You know, people are confused.
• 1:12:03
  I'll just say the what what you showed me.
• 1:12:05
  I wish I could drive my car again, but besides that, it was
• 1:12:08
  a great. I just took it.
• 1:12:10
  Love the ladder. Love is a ladder.
• 1:12:12
  My car now is just a little tiny.
• 1:12:14
  Box Yeah, I'm sorry. I melted.
• 1:12:15
  Pure Tesla. So so.
• 1:12:19
  But love is the ladder of kindness, forgiveness,
• 1:12:21
  generosity. You know, this is it's an
• 1:12:25
  energy, right? In this energy, the world is
• 1:12:28
  known throughout all time, a generation and all cultures.
• 1:12:32
  You know that you know happiness and joy.
• 1:12:36
  You know being authentic and trustworthy and transparent.
• 1:12:39
  I'm kind. It makes you feel.
• 1:12:41
  Good. Yeah.
• 1:12:42
  You know, because you're in alignment with not just your
• 1:12:45
  soul, but the entire universe. The whether you call it God, the
• 1:12:49
  force, yeah, the mind, consciousness, it's all the
• 1:12:53
  same. It is all the same.
• 1:12:55
  You know, I mean, I'm sorry to say to my Catholic brethrens and
• 1:12:58
  friends, but God is not a person touching fingers at the top of
• 1:13:02
  the Sistine Chapel. That's what I believe.
• 1:13:04
  All right? You know, I mean, if God was a
• 1:13:06
  physical person, which planet is he on?
• 1:13:09
  And is he he or she? All right?
• 1:13:11
  Is he in this Galaxy or she in this Galaxy?
• 1:13:14
  You know, come on, keep going. You know, this one friend, I was
• 1:13:19
  like there, you know, I like to tease people a little bit.
• 1:13:22
  And I'm like, well, do you believe in ghosts?
• 1:13:24
  Yeah. What is that?
• 1:13:25
  I don't know. Where are they?
• 1:13:27
  I don't know. I mean, you know, if you pull
• 1:13:30
  the string down, see, I wanted to be a priest when I was young.
• 1:13:34
  I, I was the minister on submarine.
• 1:13:36
  Besides being a nuclear warrior, Right, Right.
• 1:13:40
  Interesting juxtaposition. But you know, when I had my wake
• 1:13:48
  up call and I started studying all the religions, you've said
• 1:13:52
  this in other shows, I discovered that religion is a
• 1:13:55
  man made construct, that spirituality is not a religion.
• 1:13:59
  But all religions are spiritual, right?
• 1:14:01
  You know, all religions embrace the same principle.
• 1:14:04
  They're all common at the root. What is spiritual information?
• 1:14:07
  What is spiritual is invisible. Think of this spirit of a
• 1:14:11
  country, everybody. So what's the spirit of America?
• 1:14:14
  Oh, we're independent. We're courageous, right?
• 1:14:16
  What? What is that?
• 1:14:17
  Those are qualities. These qualities.
• 1:14:20
  Can you? Can you touch courage?
• 1:14:22
  Can you touch love? Can you?
• 1:14:24
  No. You can't.
• 1:14:25
  No. You feel it, right?
• 1:14:27
  You can't see it. You can't buy it.
• 1:14:29
  You right? Sorry.
• 1:14:30
  You're gonna get hit by bodily. No, no, no, no.
• 1:14:33
  I hear a little can't. A little passion.
• 1:14:34
  I love it. I love it.
• 1:14:35
  Do we have a rag? No.
• 1:14:37
  Ripe a SEC. Ripe off the passion here.
• 1:14:39
  So far I'm so far, I'm spared. I haven't done.
• 1:14:42
  I haven't been. Yeah, I can get closer.
• 1:14:44
  No, but so invisible information that we think of as emotions or
• 1:14:50
  qualities, love, anger, fear, blame, shame, guilt, compassion,
• 1:14:56
  generosity, they are not physical tangible objects.
• 1:15:00
  They are information. They are invisible.
• 1:15:03
  They are spiritual information. That's, I mean everybody
• 1:15:07
  believes in spiritual information once you help them
• 1:15:10
  understand what it is. Yeah, it's very true.
• 1:15:13
  So tomorrow we'll get into how we find the source of the wound,
• 1:15:22
  whether that's it. And at the end of the day,
• 1:15:24
  they're all fears, fear of being shamed, blamed, prosecuted,
• 1:15:29
  persecuted, whatever it might be.
• 1:15:31
  And once you find it, you know, how do you know it's there?
• 1:15:35
  How do you feel? Because there's a big difference
• 1:15:37
  between fear and worry where he is OK but fear is not and fear
• 1:15:41
  causes an emotional reaction. So tomorrow we'll get into the
• 1:15:46
  techniques and nothings just understand now that that you
• 1:15:51
  know, things like that happened to me.
• 1:15:53
  Not at the end of the day. It all boiled down to I felt
• 1:15:58
  unloved and unlovable and I spent the 1st 25 years of my
• 1:16:04
  life chasing money and wealth and attachments to try to prove
• 1:16:11
  that I was worthy. That was my wound.
• 1:16:14
  That was that's my message. Yeah.
• 1:16:17
  You know. Yeah, I mean, one of my most
• 1:16:21
  important mentors, I was actually with staying at his
• 1:16:24
  house with his beautiful family. His name is Bong SA.
• 1:16:29
  He, he was my first board member when I was 26 for Core Metrics.
• 1:16:35
  And one of the things he told me when I was 26 is he said every
• 1:16:39
  successful entrepreneur had some demon they were running from and
• 1:16:44
  I knew exactly what mine was. That when he said that I knew
• 1:16:47
  exactly what it was. And it was that getting picked
• 1:16:50
  on as a kid, it was my dad not understanding me.
• 1:16:54
  My dad always created physical products in the world.
• 1:16:58
  I always created virtual products so he couldn't touch
• 1:17:01
  and feel them. Now before my dad passed away,
• 1:17:04
  he was very proud of me, very proud of my accomplishments,
• 1:17:08
  realized ultimately what I had done in creating all these
• 1:17:12
  things and such and feel. So we had that reconciliation.
• 1:17:16
  But growing up he just was like, what is going on with my son?
• 1:17:20
  Like I can't see anything he's doing and he's inventing like
• 1:17:24
  fishing lights and all types of products.
• 1:17:26
  And it's a celebrity in in fishing circles is so cool.
• 1:17:31
  And he was very much an outdoorsman, which I've become
• 1:17:34
  very much an outdoorsman, just not as a hunter or fisherman,
• 1:17:37
  But definitely our favorite trips that Devin and I do are
• 1:17:41
  hiking trips to amazing places. We we love doing that.
• 1:17:45
  So let's get back to 11 days in May because this book is had a.
• 1:17:49
  Big Lance forward 12 years from 2000 to 2012.
• 1:17:53
  The book comes out. Yeah, to a night in there.
• 1:17:56
  Yeah. And I just, I, I love it because
• 1:17:59
  there's the the beautiful thing about this book, like we were
• 1:18:02
  referencing a bit with the Bhagavad Gita.
• 1:18:05
  It's a conversation between you and I'll just say someone or
• 1:18:10
  something in the divine because I don't want to spoil the book,
• 1:18:16
  but let's let's let's talk about it.
• 1:18:18
  I mean, when you read this for the first time, which was
• 1:18:23
  channeled through you, like, what the heck did you think
• 1:18:27
  about it in your. Yeah.
• 1:18:29
  I I couldn't, I told you that I was rereading it because I
• 1:18:33
  haven't read it. And I said to my wife this week,
• 1:18:35
  it's taken me longer to read it than it took me to wrote it to
• 1:18:39
  write right. Right.
• 1:18:40
  It's so funny. Yeah, I think it was Stephen
• 1:18:42
  Covey, right? Telling you.
• 1:18:44
  What did he tell you isn't? Stephen Covey, because I had my
• 1:18:46
  radio show called Global Evolution, which between 2006
• 1:18:51
  and 2012, I was interviewing global thought leaders, global
• 1:18:55
  theologians, physicists, noble laureates, all that because I
• 1:19:00
  was searching for answers. How could my neck regenerate?
• 1:19:04
  What? What did these mystical
• 1:19:06
  experiences mean? And Steven, when the book came
• 1:19:11
  out, he endorsed it. And I asked him how long, you
• 1:19:16
  know, what did be, how long was it going to take for me to
• 1:19:18
  figure it out? And he said five years, right.
• 1:19:20
  I I I couldn't believe it. Yeah.
• 1:19:22
  Yeah. Well, he was wrong.
• 1:19:23
  It took me 6 years, 66 years to figure it out.
• 1:19:26
  Figure out what I wrote. Yeah.
• 1:19:28
  Yeah. So what were for you, You know,
• 1:19:30
  as the, I want to say the author, but I also want to say
• 1:19:34
  just this Roger Scribe, you know.
• 1:19:38
  What were? What were the?
• 1:19:39
  Most mind blowing moments for you when you read it for the
• 1:19:44
  first time, the second time, the third time, then 18th time.
• 1:19:48
  So I, I don't know if I want to, I, I, you know, it's a little
• 1:19:53
  bit of a spoiler, but you know, the, their parable, the book is
• 1:19:57
  36 parables and it's who makes things, what is time, what is
• 1:20:01
  matter? What is love, what is death,
• 1:20:02
  what is pain, what is suffering? What is science?
• 1:20:05
  What is religion? It's all the big.
• 1:20:06
  Questions, you know, it's all these kind of questions.
• 1:20:08
  Why does? Why does God?
• 1:20:10
  What is love? Evil, Right, right.
• 1:20:12
  And, and in one of the parables, I'll just say it talks about an
• 1:20:18
  atheist. And so one of the biggest shocks
• 1:20:22
  in reading it, which which was what I wrote, was, Oh my God, I
• 1:20:27
  was the atheist, right? Yeah, that was a big shocker.
• 1:20:30
  That, yeah, that is the big shocker and.
• 1:20:33
  I wrote it, you know, but I didn't even know I wrote it, you
• 1:20:37
  know? So it unfolded.
• 1:20:39
  And so then I here I am reading it just as shocked.
• 1:20:43
  You could think of this book like a movie, you know what I
• 1:20:46
  mean? It is like a.
• 1:20:48
  Movie No, it is listen, people are not going to believe it.
• 1:20:50
  There was no contemplation. There was no notes.
• 1:20:54
  There was not, there was no intention of writing a book.
• 1:20:57
  There was no. It was a total stream of
• 1:21:00
  consciousness or unsubconsciousness.
• 1:21:02
  Right. 11 days, yeah. Yeah, that part where you
• 1:21:07
  realize that you were the atheist in that part of the
• 1:21:11
  book. I mean, so, so I, I love, I love
• 1:21:14
  Audible and the reason I love audio books is that I can
• 1:21:19
  multitask, you know, I'm, I'm very, I'm very dedicated to
• 1:21:23
  working out, you know, multiple times a day.
• 1:21:25
  Yeah, I like to listen to, yeah, your podcast Things and that
• 1:21:28
  when I'm working. Yeah, exactly.
• 1:21:30
  And I, I, I, I love, like doing the dishes and laundry.
• 1:21:33
  Like, I really love it because it's more time to read, you
• 1:21:36
  know? So it's like, you know, I'm
• 1:21:38
  amazingly domesticated husband in that way.
• 1:21:41
  You know, I love, I love I love doing it on airplanes.
• 1:21:46
  You know, when I'm waiting, I just board the plane.
• 1:21:48
  Doom, I'm listening. We have.
• 1:21:49
  Quite much time for this stuff. But but, but when when when you
• 1:21:53
  read so. So this is a shout out to your
• 1:21:55
  Audible for. Yes, thank you.
• 1:21:57
  When you read my voice, I read. It no, you read it and when
• 1:22:00
  you're reading the part about you're the atheist I, I don't
• 1:22:04
  know if you were crying, but it seemed like you were crying
• 1:22:08
  while you're it. Might have been, yeah, because
• 1:22:10
  whatever it said in there I was. Well, when you.
• 1:22:12
  Were a few times I was crying. Yeah, because, because when you
• 1:22:15
  were reading it, I started crying at that part.
• 1:22:18
  It really, it really evoked an emotional reaction.
• 1:22:22
  In me I've gotten that a lot a lot of people have said when I
• 1:22:26
  started reading this book because it's first person
• 1:22:29
  present tense Yeah, you you are like sucked in Yeah, it is I I
• 1:22:34
  am in this this is happening to me, right.
• 1:22:37
  Many, many people have. Told me so I've been thinking a
• 1:22:39
  lot about what would be the most fun way to do this discussion of
• 1:22:42
  the book. So I'm going to ask you some of
• 1:22:44
  the questions that I get from people that are not spiritual at
• 1:22:47
  all, right and not religious at all.
• 1:22:49
  OK, in terms of exactly in terms of like, why should I believe
• 1:22:56
  any of that? So let me ask you a question
• 1:22:58
  that you asked the divine Why does God allow evil?
• 1:23:03
  Well, you have to think it goes back to there are things that
• 1:23:08
  are good and things that are not good, but everything that is is
• 1:23:16
  good. Money is good, furniture is
• 1:23:19
  good, weapons are good, nuclear weapons are good.
• 1:23:22
  It's just that what people may do with them.
• 1:23:25
  A behavior can be not good. What people call evil in the
• 1:23:29
  book, we call it not evil. We call it not good because just
• 1:23:35
  as in the teachings of Jesus, if if the idea that someone is
• 1:23:39
  evil, they've that they were born evil.
• 1:23:42
  There's no hope. But no one was born evil, you
• 1:23:46
  know, they were, they were damaged, they were wounded, they
• 1:23:49
  were, you know, and, and so it's, it's kinder to think of a
• 1:23:55
  person doing a behavior that is not good because they're
• 1:23:58
  redeemable, right? Isn't that what we teach in, in
• 1:24:02
  religion, that people can be redeemed?
• 1:24:05
  So, so there's this discussion on good and not good and that
• 1:24:09
  everything is good but behaviors are not good.
• 1:24:13
  So if God is good and everything that God does is good, then how
• 1:24:21
  could God do something bad? Well, God didn't do the thing
• 1:24:26
  that was bad. You know, God didn't create the
• 1:24:29
  war. God may have helped us create
• 1:24:32
  nuclear weapons, but it was man that pulled the trigger, right?
• 1:24:36
  Yeah, and we have free will. We have free will.
• 1:24:39
  Yeah, free will. God embodied us with free will.
• 1:24:43
  And ultimately it's up to us to set the right intentionality.
• 1:24:47
  This is also with manifestation, you know.
• 1:24:50
  And it go, it goes on and it talks about, say, your child,
• 1:24:53
  you know, if you want to teach there, there's a parable.
• 1:24:56
  What is devious? And so a lot of people I coach,
• 1:25:01
  you know what you say they need more courage.
• 1:25:03
  And Saul says, let's write an affirmation.
• 1:25:06
  And it's like they they write, God, please make me courageous.
• 1:25:10
  I'm like, no, that's not how it works.
• 1:25:13
  First of all, if you say God, please make me courageous, you
• 1:25:15
  just told God you're not courageous.
• 1:25:17
  You told your subconscious, you say, God, thank you for making
• 1:25:20
  me courageous. I said now be prepared because
• 1:25:24
  as soon as you set your intention to become courageous,
• 1:25:28
  it's like there's 1000 angels up there that go Yahoo, let's go
• 1:25:32
  scare the shit out of them. Right, right, right.
• 1:25:35
  You know, excuse my friend, because that's how you become
• 1:25:38
  courageous. So how do you become strong?
• 1:25:41
  How do you become wise? It's not like we sprinkle you
• 1:25:45
  with Pixie dust. This is school.
• 1:25:48
  We have to go through the challenges and the pain and the
• 1:25:51
  suffering to learn. Right, Yeah, I've talked about
• 1:25:54
  on the podcast quite a bit that this is the Earth's school and
• 1:25:59
  it's the playground if you're training ground for our souls,
• 1:26:03
  right? And that the whole point is to
• 1:26:06
  allow love, to conquer fear, manifest love in each others
• 1:26:11
  and, and, and ultimately really lift up humanity.
• 1:26:14
  Like let humanity together ascend.
• 1:26:17
  Like that's it. Like, that's the, that's the
• 1:26:19
  summary of over 50 books I've read this year.
• 1:26:21
  I mean, that's really, that's really it.
• 1:26:23
  And that includes change yourself and you change the
• 1:26:27
  world, which is a principle I learned many, many years ago in
• 1:26:29
  Vedanta in India. Why?
• 1:26:33
  Why do we have to suffer to learn?
• 1:26:36
  So let's, let's make sure we understand there's a difference
• 1:26:39
  between pain and suffering. You know, pain is the result of
• 1:26:42
  having a physical body. Suffering is mental.
• 1:26:46
  And suffering comes from an attachment.
• 1:26:49
  And I'll, I'll give you an example.
• 1:26:51
  People can relate to it. It might not sound nice, but one
• 1:26:55
  of my clients calls me up, She's crying.
• 1:26:58
  She says I'm in a lot of pain. I say why?
• 1:27:02
  She says because I'm pregnant and my husband said he wants a
• 1:27:06
  divorce. And I said where does it hurt?
• 1:27:10
  And she stops crying and she says what?
• 1:27:13
  I said where does it hurt? Said what do you mean?
• 1:27:18
  I said you said you're in pain, are you hurting somewhere?
• 1:27:21
  And she said no. I said, so you're not in pain.
• 1:27:24
  Yes, I'm in pain. No.
• 1:27:26
  Well, where does it hurt? And she's like, I'm a, you know,
• 1:27:29
  the crying stopped and I said, darling, you're not in pain.
• 1:27:34
  You're suffering and you have a choice.
• 1:27:38
  Now I understand why you're suffering.
• 1:27:40
  You're attached to your husband. You loved your husband.
• 1:27:43
  Maybe you'd love the security, Whatever.
• 1:27:45
  I'm sorry. I'm giving it to you straight
• 1:27:46
  here, you know, but you are suffering because you lost
• 1:27:52
  something that you were attached to.
• 1:27:55
  And when you let go of that attachment, your suffering will
• 1:27:59
  end. So, so now you say, OK, pain is
• 1:28:04
  the result of physical body. Why do we have to suffer?
• 1:28:07
  Because suffering teaches us that we're hiding behind the
• 1:28:12
  mask in the world of form. Look, we haven't talked about
• 1:28:16
  the fact that we live in the world of light in form.
• 1:28:21
  When we leave the form, we're back into the light, right?
• 1:28:23
  And we are like being. Yeah.
• 1:28:25
  We we are emitting, sending and receiving photons.
• 1:28:28
  The photons are carrying information.
• 1:28:30
  It's talking to and manipulating our DNADNA is not deterministic,
• 1:28:35
  you know, So. So we.
• 1:28:38
  This is a scientific fact. Yoda got what?
• 1:28:40
  Yoda was right. We're right Being.
• 1:28:42
  All right. Thank you.
• 1:28:42
  Yeah. Yeah, Right.
• 1:28:45
  So. So this is this is the way.
• 1:28:50
  You know, it's like, I sound like The Mandalorian.
• 1:28:52
  This is the way. Well, actually you sound like
• 1:28:53
  the Dow. Now this.
• 1:28:55
  This is the Dow to change. This is the way you know,
• 1:28:58
  there's something on the top of the book here that very few
• 1:29:00
  people, I don't know if you've you noticed.
• 1:29:02
  That I haven't noticed that there.
• 1:29:04
  There's Greek writing at the top of the book.
• 1:29:07
  Well, you know, you know, I've actually never had the physical
• 1:29:10
  oh, let's until today because you brought it for our guys
• 1:29:13
  tonight, but I've listened to it.
• 1:29:17
  Multiple times this says the way, the truth and the light.
• 1:29:21
  Beautiful. The reason it's there is because
• 1:29:25
  one of my experiences was I would wake up speaking this
• 1:29:30
  language not knowing what I was saying.
• 1:29:34
  Wow. And that's I've.
• 1:29:36
  Xenoglossy. I wrote it down phonetically.
• 1:29:40
  And for years I was like, does anybody know what this is?
• 1:29:44
  I'm saying? Does anybody know what this is
• 1:29:46
  what I'm saying, you know? And I finally found someone and
• 1:29:50
  it was after I wrote the book, and they're like, oh, that's
• 1:29:56
  Greek. I said, what does it say?
• 1:29:59
  And she says the way, the truth and the light.
• 1:30:02
  I'm like, Oh my God, I found an interpreter after the book was
• 1:30:08
  finished and they finally told me what I've been mumbling.
• 1:30:12
  Wow. And so that's why I put it.
• 1:30:14
  That's in. On that, the way, the truth.
• 1:30:16
  Yeah, yeah. I mean, I would.
• 1:30:18
  Say I'm not creative enough to make this stuff out.
• 1:30:21
  Yeah, I would say that I've never heard a story like that,
• 1:30:25
  but actually I know someone who speaks in different languages
• 1:30:29
  when they're in journeys and then it has to be translated
• 1:30:33
  later. So yes, Xenuglossi is a real
• 1:30:35
  thing. When you plug into Source, you
• 1:30:38
  can get all types of messages, including another.
• 1:30:41
  Wait, I, I, I could tell you 100 things that we have yet to talk
• 1:30:44
  about. All that recording or not of the
• 1:30:47
  information. One very short without getting
• 1:30:50
  into the story, I was shown the construction of the universe and
• 1:30:56
  then I wrote it. And then I found it on a website
• 1:31:01
  and I thought somebody copied it.
• 1:31:03
  And then that man, I found that man and he told me he didn't
• 1:31:06
  write it. He said he took that off of
• 1:31:07
  ruins that were 10,000 years. Old wow wow Oh my gosh, that's
• 1:31:13
  that's that's incredible. You know, one of the parts of
• 1:31:15
  the book that I really, really loved is how we're a Co creator
• 1:31:21
  with our hands, with God. Our source We are all you and I
• 1:31:26
  are Co. Right, we're Co.
• 1:31:27
  Creating everything and everyone is Co creating, yeah.
• 1:31:31
  Yeah, and and and you know, in the book, spoiler alert on this
• 1:31:35
  one, it's fine because we're past this, we're past this
• 1:31:39
  moment now. But you know, you ask what is
• 1:31:42
  the greatest Co creation we've made recently?
• 1:31:45
  And the answer was the Internet. The Internet because it now
• 1:31:50
  connects everything and everyone, right?
• 1:31:53
  And collapses your knowledge. And then for collapsed distance
• 1:31:57
  and location become irrelevant, Right.
• 1:31:59
  Right. Accelerated time, yes.
• 1:32:02
  Yeah. Level set, shared knowledge and
• 1:32:04
  wisdom. Yeah.
• 1:32:05
  To anyone, anywhere. Yeah.
• 1:32:08
  In Chad. Yeah, and and remember when you
• 1:32:11
  and I were first meeting and we first became friends and I would
• 1:32:15
  say at this point become good friends because now our business
• 1:32:17
  partners for for love conquers fear for for my third book
• 1:32:22
  coming out here, I said, don't you think now you would say the
• 1:32:27
  greatest Co creation is actually AI could be and the next
• 1:32:31
  evolution. It is the next evolution, right.
• 1:32:33
  And it only occurs because the Internet came before with lots
• 1:32:39
  of open content around the world, all the spiritual text,
• 1:32:43
  everything's there. And now we have a moment where
• 1:32:48
  it's the first time in human history where I can speak to
• 1:32:51
  native language Japanese text or native language Mandarin text or
• 1:32:56
  any text in English so and get the answers back.
• 1:33:00
  So now. We're not only can we share
• 1:33:02
  knowledge and wisdom, but now we can speak the bet.
• 1:33:05
  The language barriers. Yeah, gone.
• 1:33:08
  Right. And the creative barriers gone
• 1:33:11
  because if you thought of if you thought in the in the past and
• 1:33:17
  by the way, this is recent past because Chachi PT hasn't even
• 1:33:21
  turned 3 years old as of this recording.
• 1:33:24
  If I wanted to speak to native language Mandarin text, what
• 1:33:31
  would I have had to do? I would have.
• 1:33:32
  Pulled me up. Well, I could have called you.
• 1:33:35
  Because I know you speak Mandarin, but I, but I, you
• 1:33:37
  know, honestly, there would be a big barrier.
• 1:33:39
  I would be like, well, I need to hire a translator.
• 1:33:41
  I need to do this and that. And so my ability to be creative
• 1:33:45
  by accessing knowledge from ancient China, which is there's
• 1:33:50
  a lot of knowledge there, including the Dow, the chain, it
• 1:33:54
  would have been a barrier to my creative ability to learn.
• 1:33:57
  You know, I'm my, my learning has gone up exponentially as a
• 1:34:01
  result of AI. Because anything I'm curious
• 1:34:04
  about, I can immediately like do a report on it and go, and I can
• 1:34:08
  tell it to go Fact Check. And you know, people talk about
• 1:34:11
  hallucinations. I think that's extremely
• 1:34:13
  temporal problem. We're again, not even into the
• 1:34:18
  third anniversary of Chachi BT and these things are being
• 1:34:22
  worked out super, super fast. So some of the things that AI is
• 1:34:25
  dissed for today we're, we're, we're not even in the first
• 1:34:29
  inning. You know, think about how long
• 1:34:31
  it took, you know, when did the and by the way, the, the that
• 1:34:35
  was the, the Mandarin was a side thing.
• 1:34:38
  He knows that I told him last night that during my recovery, I
• 1:34:44
  became fluent in Mandarin in 60 hours.
• 1:34:47
  That's right, And I still speak Mandarin now, 20 years later.
• 1:34:50
  Yeah, that's incredible. And I don't know anybody else.
• 1:34:53
  I'll go to Mandarin is 30 hours. Like, I was just on a cruise
• 1:34:56
  ship and there was a Chinese person.
• 1:34:57
  I'm like NI Hao, you know, and Wilshire migrant Megan told him
• 1:35:01
  Shao or whatever I'm saying, you know, And she's like, Oh yeah,
• 1:35:05
  you know, you know, it's still, it still blows my mind 60 hours,
• 1:35:11
  you know, now my tones might be a little off, but anyway.
• 1:35:14
  People are going to forgive you if you don't have perfect
• 1:35:16
  Annunciation. So it's better than Bruce Willis
• 1:35:19
  is in that one of those movies he did is I Oh my God, his
• 1:35:22
  manner was terrible. But back to what you're the I
• 1:35:28
  mean, with the Internet came out and was it 95?
• 1:35:32
  You know, it wasn't until like what, 2000 and two or three that
• 1:35:35
  people were trusting their credit cards to put it on their
• 1:35:38
  son. Some.
• 1:35:39
  I mean, that's seven years. Yeah, it was.
• 1:35:41
  Well, the web. The web came out later, but I
• 1:35:44
  was programmed on the Internet in 1990.
• 1:35:46
  Yeah, but how long before people really, really started Austin
• 1:35:51
  used the Internet? Yeah, you know, I mean that that
• 1:35:53
  Yeah, you're right. 95 Because ultimately that culminated in
• 1:35:57
  the.com boom, and then the bust, and then the rebirth.
• 1:36:01
  Yeah, but I mean, even corporations didn't trust this
• 1:36:04
  stuff for five years. Oh, for sure, for sure.
• 1:36:06
  Yeah, yeah, that's that's for sure.
• 1:36:08
  It started out just with, you know, either very secure
• 1:36:12
  military type communication happening over at not plugged
• 1:36:16
  into the rest of of access or it was universities and like people
• 1:36:22
  that, you know, message boards things, things that weren't
• 1:36:25
  really secure, people weren't really transacting.
• 1:36:27
  What? What else?
• 1:36:28
  Before we exhaust our audience, what else in 11 days of May you
• 1:36:32
  want to talk about? We've we've told them there's 36
• 1:36:35
  parables and yeah, I don't know. Yeah, I think, I think at this
• 1:36:38
  point we, we've covered enough in it.
• 1:36:42
  We're going to, we're going to spend a lot of time over dinner
• 1:36:44
  tonight with it. And the reason why is I don't
• 1:36:47
  want to spoil the book. There's so many things that
• 1:36:51
  hopefully people listening to this or watching this will be
• 1:36:53
  interested in reading it. I will just say my plug for it
• 1:36:57
  is that it's, it's a it's amazingly deep book from a
• 1:37:02
  wisdom perspective. And it's all the questions
• 1:37:06
  you've wanted to ask, and you actually get answers to them.
• 1:37:10
  And it takes you a while to realize.
• 1:37:12
  Rewinds it. I'll tell you this, the feedback
• 1:37:15
  is if you get to a parable and you're stuck, it's trying to
• 1:37:21
  delete a faulty limited program. That's right.
• 1:37:24
  If you're reading 11 days of May and you're starting to get
• 1:37:27
  agitated, that is false information stored in your cells
• 1:37:33
  that it's trying to dump out. And so you go back and read it
• 1:37:37
  again. So many people will say, and by
• 1:37:40
  the way, you, you read the, every time you read this book,
• 1:37:43
  you will get more and more and more and it will get deeper.
• 1:37:47
  And so there's several. Layers out of a second.
• 1:37:49
  There's there's quite a few layers.
• 1:37:51
  There's the the pref, the the preface or the forward, which
• 1:37:55
  this goes from The Big Bang to present day in 500 words.
• 1:38:00
  Then there's an entire book and then there's a two page epilogue
• 1:38:04
  which summarizes where we are. All right.
• 1:38:06
  So that's kind of like the story arc, but then inside the book,
• 1:38:11
  now this is me analyzing 6-6 years right inside the book.
• 1:38:15
  It's going through the work, the great work and the supreme work,
• 1:38:21
  which a lot of people don't really understand.
• 1:38:24
  You know, the, the work is understanding our wounds.
• 1:38:27
  The great work is understanding that we're a soul having a
• 1:38:32
  physical experience, and the supreme work is understanding
• 1:38:37
  that you have a purpose and a mission.
• 1:38:41
  You know, you know, one thing that would be would be fun to
• 1:38:43
  close out our discussion on this before I want to, I want to
• 1:38:46
  spend some time on AI is do you mind reading the part of the
• 1:38:51
  epilogue where it where it has a synchronicity?
• 1:38:55
  We had a lot of lockers feels. Yeah, yeah.
• 1:38:57
  Yeah, this is in the epilogue. Yes.
• 1:38:59
  And so this was written after the book was written.
• 1:39:03
  Now I've analyzed the book in the hard copy.
• 1:39:09
  It's on page 235. We the people find ourselves at
• 1:39:14
  a once in a lifetime tipping point, a dramatic awakening.
• 1:39:19
  A shift is occurring for humanity and it is divinely
• 1:39:22
  ordained. It is time when the people must
• 1:39:25
  unite and speak out so that all sides understand.
• 1:39:29
  We must leave behind the selfish desires from the world of
• 1:39:33
  foreign, from the Creator's point of view.
• 1:39:37
  Never before in the history of humanity have so many needed so
• 1:39:43
  much, or so few controlled so many.
• 1:39:47
  The lovely corollary is never before have so many known so
• 1:39:52
  much or been so enlightened. What is transparent to the
• 1:39:57
  transcended are the ideas that created and perpetuated a false
• 1:40:02
  reality, a false reality that previously sustained repressive
• 1:40:07
  environments. In the process of enlightenment,
• 1:40:10
  the transcendent have shattered the preconceptions that long ago
• 1:40:15
  created the disturbance among men and women, and we have
• 1:40:19
  become conscious of what binds us.
• 1:40:21
  I'm going to read a little bit more.
• 1:40:23
  It is not so much that we as a race or nation must decide to
• 1:40:28
  consent to this point, but rather that we declare what is
• 1:40:32
  already obvious to the many and unseen by a few.
• 1:40:36
  We the people, therefore declare on every corner of the earth, in
• 1:40:40
  every home, in every industry, that the ties that bind are far
• 1:40:45
  greater than what the divides us.
• 1:40:48
  We hereby acknowledge that the color of our skin, national
• 1:40:51
  origin, political party, religious affiliation or gender
• 1:40:56
  are of no matter to a Supreme Creator and therefore ought not
• 1:41:00
  matter to any man or institution.
• 1:41:04
  And let us say Amen. Amen.
• 1:41:07
  Oh, it's beautiful. You know that what you just read
• 1:41:12
  has complete synchronicity with a book that I read a couple of
• 1:41:17
  weeks ago by an author I'm going to have on Jeff Birmingham.
• 1:41:21
  I want to introduce you to him. He wrote a book called The last
• 1:41:25
  Book a Human Being Will Ever Write.
• 1:41:28
  And it's all about AI. Cool.
• 1:41:30
  And it's essentially what we need to do to unite.
• 1:41:34
  And it's probably obvious to people listening to this at this
• 1:41:39
  moment on why you would actually want to help me with First
• 1:41:43
  Spear. Yeah.
• 1:41:45
  But how do you think about this AI moment?
• 1:41:47
  Like, you know, in terms of the, the mini pros and you know, the
• 1:41:51
  things that we we have to the good and the not good, let's
• 1:41:55
  say. I'd actually, I'm inspired to go
• 1:41:59
  into a meditative state and try to write another book talking to
• 1:42:07
  God about why she created AII think that, you know, you've
• 1:42:14
  asked a lot of your guests, are we going to make it?
• 1:42:17
  Well, there's no doubt in my mind we're going to make it.
• 1:42:20
  There's no doubt that we have the capacity in our brains to
• 1:42:26
  regulate this as we have regulated and controlled any
• 1:42:30
  other, you know thing that like you've talked about.
• 1:42:34
  There's no doubt that there is the capacity to dramatically
• 1:42:38
  leap forward in, in areas like we just talked about,
• 1:42:42
  translation being a simple example.
• 1:42:46
  There is also no doubt that there are dangers, you know, as
• 1:42:49
  simple as, you know, how do you know, a student wrote the paper
• 1:42:52
  or read the book, You know, how do we ensure that we do
• 1:42:55
  learning? But then again, there's great
• 1:42:57
  benefits like, Oh my gosh, you know, an AI doctor.
• 1:43:01
  I would trust an AI doctor over a lot of the doctors that I've
• 1:43:04
  gone to. All right, yeah, I know it's
• 1:43:06
  controlled or a robotic surgery. Good Lord.
• 1:43:10
  I don't think the robotic surgery is going to drop
• 1:43:12
  something and sew me up right, you know?
• 1:43:15
  I mean Davinci, these machines are performing.
• 1:43:17
  Surgeries all the time right now, there's a lot, there's a
• 1:43:20
  lot more benefits and in in and humanity is inherently good, you
• 1:43:27
  know, I mean, if people wanted to cause more destruction and
• 1:43:30
  pain and suffering, they could, but people are inherently good,
• 1:43:34
  yes. There are more people now,
• 1:43:36
  though, however, who are filled with fear.
• 1:43:40
  The opposite. Their fear is conquering the
• 1:43:42
  love because they have mental illness and they're wounded and
• 1:43:45
  they're starving and they're unemployed or they're, they're
• 1:43:49
  targeted, whatever they're they're coming out of the
• 1:43:52
  woodwork. But I'm not sure that the number
• 1:43:56
  is any different than there ever was.
• 1:43:58
  It's just that now they're coming out.
• 1:44:00
  But like any issue, any wound, any disease, first you got to
• 1:44:05
  know it and bring it up to the surface before you can cure it.
• 1:44:09
  So the big thing I think of then is, well, how do we use AI to
• 1:44:14
  help all of the mental illnesses?
• 1:44:17
  How do we use AI to help overcome homelessness or hunger?
• 1:44:21
  How do we use AI to teach people healthy lifestyles and living so
• 1:44:27
  we're not spending 5 trillion wasting $5 trillion on
• 1:44:31
  downstream healthcare when we should be spending $5 trillion
• 1:44:35
  on upstream healthcare? Yahoo.
• 1:44:37
  Yeah. How do we use a?
• 1:44:39
  Sorry, do you mean? I'm not excited about this.
• 1:44:42
  At all. I love it.
• 1:44:43
  I love it. I'm very passionate about it
• 1:44:45
  too. I mean, I'm mostly a techno
• 1:44:46
  optimist and you know, how do we use AI to solve energy?
• 1:44:51
  You know 18 seconds of the sun absolutely would, right?
• 1:44:54
  With the rays that fall on the earth, 18 seconds would power
• 1:44:58
  the entire world for well over a year.
• 1:45:01
  Like all of their. Capacity, you know, far more
• 1:45:03
  than me. I do think there needs to be
• 1:45:05
  some controls on whether it's super intelligence or you know
• 1:45:10
  what is it a SIAGI or something. You know, there's got to be ASI
• 1:45:14
  artificial. We need, we need some some
• 1:45:18
  governing regulator devices in here probably.
• 1:45:22
  But you know, the fact of the matter is the people that are
• 1:45:26
  inclined to do something not good with it, you can't control
• 1:45:32
  their regulator, right? Right.
• 1:45:34
  Yeah, I mean, it's a, it's a big question.
• 1:45:36
  I, you know, this is a, this is a really big question right now.
• 1:45:39
  It's an ai-2027.com. It's also Tristan Harris, who
• 1:45:45
  was one of the great Ted speakers this year.
• 1:45:47
  He's a friend of mine who he originally came out with that
• 1:45:51
  documentary, The Social Dilemma about about how social media was
• 1:45:56
  both a good and not good thing. He said he actually sat on the
• 1:45:58
  documentary It's a utopia and a dystopian 1.
• 1:46:02
  And I've certainly seen both sides of that.
• 1:46:06
  That is the question, do we need regulation for it or some type
• 1:46:12
  of global collaboration? Like Thomas Friedman and said in
• 1:46:17
  the in the New York Times, they they wrote about that the one
• 1:46:21
  thing that the US and China must agree on is how to work together
• 1:46:25
  on AI because of how powerful it is.
• 1:46:28
  And I think, I think that's true.
• 1:46:30
  I think that's really true that that we need to find a way to
• 1:46:34
  globally collaborate on something that could literally
• 1:46:37
  lift up not just our species, but every, every being on Earth,
• 1:46:43
  including the replenishment of Mother Guy itself.
• 1:46:46
  You know, the the ability to replenish the ozone to, you
• 1:46:50
  know, clean up all the trash we have and turn that into light
• 1:46:54
  energy and on and on and on. There's there.
• 1:46:57
  We've got a lot of work to do. Yeah, yeah.
• 1:47:00
  And this has been great. Thank you.
• 1:47:02
  Yeah, I've really enjoyed it. Yeah.
• 1:47:03
  Thanks so much, brother. Yeah.
• 1:47:05
  Thank you. Yeah.
• 1:47:05
  Pleasure. Yeah, pleasure and and honor to
• 1:47:09
  tomorrow as well. Yeah, absolutely.
• 1:47:10
  Going to stay tuned for Part 2. Yeah.
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  So thanks again, everybody for tuning in to Love Conquers Fear.
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  You will see us continue this series.
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  We're going to record it tomorrow, but it'll release be
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  released a little bit later. But I hope you enjoyed this and
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  thanks again for all the light. You're giving me all the shares.
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  As as you know, I'm doing this for impact.
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  It's my love letter to humanity and I really appreciate
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  everything you're doing to get the word out so more and more
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  people can experience this and have their own type of awakening
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  or journey to start their own company or journey to join one
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  of the companies or initiatives that have been profiled here by
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  the many amazing guest you've already seen.
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  Thanks so much.