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Has Rennie Fixed the All Blacks? JK & Victor React to Bledisloe Blowout! · Rugby Rivals - Sir John Kirwan & Victor Matfield

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  I mean that was outstanding performance, but when you guys keep the ball in hand you get momentum the whole time and you're dangerous.
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  All of a sudden we've got Scott Barrett, Tupovai, Frizzell's coming back into the side.
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  I think the biggest problem for you know Australia, and I just don't know if they've got the depth of the squad.
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  They're so close to competing, they just couldn't stay with the all-backs.
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  Yeah, your audio is breaking up.
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  I think your internet connection's not great.
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  How relaxing it is just doing the show now that Victor's internet crapped out.
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  I know.
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  It's quite relaxing, isn't it?
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  Right, welcome to Rugby Rivals brought to you by Ram Hand-to-Hand Couriers.
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  And so, JK, a bit happier this week after getting smashed by... Are we number one in the world now?
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  Are we back to number one in the world because Australia beat South Africa and then we beat Australia.
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  So we're back to number one in the world.
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  I don't know.
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  I haven't looked.
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  Can you just calm down, sir, please?
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  One victory after three losses and all of a sudden…
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  You're really getting like the English media.
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  It's not good.
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  It's really bad.
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  But well done.
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  What a performance.
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  I thought the 80s were outstanding.
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  Physicality was there.
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  I mean, the DNA that they've been talking about, how they want to play, was definitely there.
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  So, yeah, well done to the 80s and I'm proud.
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  But because I'm back to you this weekend.
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  See?
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  No more rugby.
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  I was just winding you up, Victor, but I think one of the things that we wanted to see was a level up and an improvement in performance.
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  And I think coming off the three losses, it was really, really important that we showed some improvement and especially some physicality.
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  I think, you know, and I was so pleased for Scott Barrett because I think
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  People sort of have been criticising him unfairly about probably being the captain and a reluctant captain and all that sort of stuff.
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  But, you know, here's a world-class Locke who actually loves getting in and smashing into stuff, Victor, which, you know, you used to love doing.
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  And so I was just really pleased for him.
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  I thought that was outstanding.
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  And getting Frizzell back out there, you know,
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  I thought was good.
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  He's going to be another important link.
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  So, yeah, I'm just really happy that, you know, and we've still got one to go.
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  We've still got the suite to go, and I think that's really important.
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  JK, can I just clarify, Victor, did you really like smashing people or did you like standing in the back line and jumping up and catching the ball at line-out time?
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  Yeah, I know.
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  I had Bucky's doing those things for me.
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  It was always nice just sending him in, go hurt the people, and I could stand in the back, do my chip kicks, jump in that line out.
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  Look, Victor, everyone's been asking me since I've been home about what I thought of South Africa and...
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  in what I thought of New Zealand.
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  And I think that, you know, how I sum it up is I think the South African side is like we were from 2-11 to 2-15, really mature, lots of players.
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  You know, I think...
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  I think one of the things that Australia struggle with, so one of the nicest things for the All Blacks on the weekend was obviously getting that win, which was important, but all of a sudden we've got Scott Barrett back.
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  Tupovai, I thought, had another really good game.
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  Frizzell's coming back into the side.
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  We've got Fabian Holland, who was a little bit injured last weekend.
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  So all of a sudden, we're starting to get the depth.
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  I think the biggest problem for Australia, and I thought they did some great things on attack in the first half, but I just don't know if they've got the depth of the squad, especially on their bench.
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  you know, whereas I thought the bench came, our bench came on on the weekend and continued to raise the level, which is what South Africa do when their bench comes on.
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  Um, whereas I just think Australia, um, you know, their bench is probably not as good as they probably need it to be.
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  Yeah.
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  We've talked about, uh, a few of your Japanese boys coming back and I mean, uh, getting them back a guy like Frizzell, um,
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  He's outstanding.
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  I mean, before he went over to Japan, he was your first choice blindside flanker, and he just performed in Japan as well.
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  So I think that will make a big difference, having those big names, big players back in your squad coming off the bench.
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  And, you know, I mean, if you look at Super Rugby as well, the Australian side struggle against the New Zealand side.
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  So it's very difficult.
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  It's always going to be difficult for them.
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  to come in a test match and really compete.
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  If they get smashed every weekend by the New Zealand side, I mean, that mentality is they can't beat New Zealand.
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  So it is tough for them.
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  I still think they're so close to competing.
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  It's just that physicality.
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  And I mean, they tried to play at the tempo of the Allbacks and unfortunately they just couldn't stay with the Allbacks.
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  I mean, that was an outstanding performance.
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  Again, talking about that DNA, keeping ball in hand.
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  But when you guys keep the ball in hand, you get momentum the whole time and you're dangerous.
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  So it really looks good.
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  You say ball in hand, but probably we kicked the high ball more than we'd kicked the high ball for a long, long time.
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  Like it was probably, you know, Roy Gart in particular kicked very well, but it was probably, we went to the air more than we'd gone to the air for a long time and successfully.
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  Yeah, I think it's the first time in a long time that you won that aerial battle.
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  I mean, Australia came out against South Africa.
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  That's how they beat South Africa is winning the aerial battle.
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  And that's something New Zealand struggled with in South Africa.
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  But they were just outstanding.
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  And again, I mean, he's playing fantastic directly, Jordy Barrett.
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  A lot of the time it was actually him chasing those kicks.
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  Remember we talked about it in South Africa where the guy's falling back.
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  So you have to come from the inside now.
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  And I mean, Jordy Barrett was just outstanding.
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  Not just in an aerial battle and everything he did in the game.
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  I think there's a couple of little sort of small things that I want to mention.
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  Like we were dominating and so we had the scrums because of their mistakes and
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  And we were kicking, whereas in South Africa it was the other way around.
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  So receiving that high ball is really hard.
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  Attacking it is a lot easier.
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  I think New Zealand improved on both sides of that.
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  But I just think when you're dominating a wee bit with possession like we were, it's a lot easier for that kick.
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  But I think the thing I liked about it, about our kicking game, was actually winning the field pitch.
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  position stuff.
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  So the kicks were smart, especially from Roy guard and just continued to put, you know, Australia under pressure.
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  The trouble with Australia, they're making those little errors, which means they're always under the pump.
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  You know, we're getting it.
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  We're bashing them back down the field.
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  They put a good sequence together, show some real nice stuff on defense, make a mistake.
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  We'd get it back.
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  and they're back under the pump.
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  So I think one of the hardest things when you play South Africa is that constant pressure where you're defending, you're defending, you're defending and you need to get out of your half and win some field position.
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  So I think the kicking game was way better and I think it was way better because we're also on attack a lot of the times and dominating.
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  But JK, a lot of, you know, not a pundit like you because you've got such respect for Victor and his South African friends, but a lot of Kiwis have been critical of the South Africans for kicking the ball away all the time and just, oh, it's so boring.
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  They just kick the ball up in the air and then they catch it.
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  It's now a vital part of every team's make-up.
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  I mean, the kicking game has always been a vital part.
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  I think the introduction of the 28 where, you know, I think the South African side have perfected it, they're really accurate at it, they've got great ball people running onto it.
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  But I think the difference is that long kicking and field position has...
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  And so if you look at the possession stats, probably in the first test in South Africa, the South Africans had like the possession and then that last 20 minutes we sort of exploded and went down.
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  But they probably won the possession stakes and we were making little errors, which then gave the South Africans the ball back in a position to do those dominant kicks.
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  If you look at our game on the weekend, it was like...
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  a reversed role play.
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  So South Africa were making the mistakes and then we had those dominant kicks where you could kick the high ball and like Geordie had an amazing game once again, but he was attacking it, you know?
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  And I think the accuracy of the Australian kicks weren't as good as when they played South Africa.
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  And if you don't get the accuracy of that 28 kick and you give the opposition the ability to catch it,
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  and then get smacked.
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  You know, it's a whole different game.
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  Whereas in South Africa, and Australia versus South Africa, they were competing for the ball.
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  So the defensive side is always under the pump.
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  You know, the thing is, we can say what we want.
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  I mean, if you look at the test matches, 80% of the time, the team that kick the ball the most win the games.
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  And that's just part of the game.
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  But it's about how you kick, how clever you kick, do you get it back, do you win it?
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  And I think for me, the All Blacks this weekend, I think the balance was there.
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  There was a lot of the time where they played out of their own half as well.
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  And when it slowed down, then they did the kick.
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  So all the options were on the whole time.
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  So I think the balance that New Zealand had this weekend was really good.
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  looking at playing when it was on, and then when the ball slowed down, they went to there, won it back, and then they had another opportunity to get their backs going.
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  Victor, you said you wanted to see the All Black forwards smash Australia, basically, at scrum time, you know, and set piece, et cetera.
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  Did you see that?
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  I think the New Zealand forwards were really good.
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  We've mentioned Scott Barrett already.
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  For me, I know you haven't asked this, but my Ram hand-to-hand career man of the game who performed under pressure was Tupu Fahey.
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  Normally I'm not a big fan.
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  I don't like him.
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  He likes to get in the faces of the boys and sometimes he irritates me.
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  Yeah, your audio is breaking up.
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  I think your internet connection's not great where you are.
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  So, JK, in terms of your RAM hand-hand couriers person that delivered,
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  Who would that have been in this test match?
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  Can I have two?
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  Because Victor's not here.
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  So I'll have his, eh?
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  So I'll have two.
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  Well, Victor would pick the lock.
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  So my first pick would be Scott Barrett coming back from injury, like playing, what did he play, 70-odd minutes or whatever it was, like incredible.
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  I love that he actually didn't have the right boots on as well.
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  Did you see that?
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  He had the wrong boots on, which I thought was fantastic.
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  I would have liked it even better if they were black, white boots on a lot, what's going on.
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  Yeah, I think they were grey.
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  I don't think they were white.
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  So, yeah, he just didn't get issue.
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  But really, Geordie was outstanding, his brother.
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  You know, I thought Geordie, you know, ram hand-to-hand delivered, like absolutely delivered, right?
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  Physical on defence, up catching that high ball, right?
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  So, you know, that for me would be mine.
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  And I've given Victor Scott Barrett.
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  So there we go.
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  Because Victor's left us to go and do some work.
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  So, this week, my Ram hand-to-hand career player that performed under pressure.
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  And there was a lot of them.
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  Well done to Scott Barrett coming back after a long layoff.
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  Damien McKenzie slotting in to that number 10 jersey.
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  Really playing well.
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  The man for me Tupou Fahey What a guy I've been a critic of him Not seeing as a loose forward Maybe more in that second row But I mean he was under pressure From a guy like Shannon Frizzell that came back But he stood up I mean he carried hard, his work rate was high Fantastic in Defence and then We all know his line-out abilities So Tupou Fahey, well done
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  Humair Ram hand-to-hand career player that performed under Kresha.
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  I just want to you know we were worried we lost Ruben Love for the season so we're going to go Richie Moanga.
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  Richie Moanga is out through injury you know fortunately we've got some depth there.
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  Damien McKenzie are we happy with him at 10?
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  Yeah, I love Damien when he plays that really good lateral game with guys coming off him, more like a league standoff.
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  I think that's his real game.
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  And I think when people try and turn him into a more traditional 10, he doesn't shine like he does.
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  So, you know, that lateral game where he accelerates and people are cutting so that the defence has to make decisions,
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  when he plays in that role.
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  So, yeah, I was really, really happy.
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  I thought they would have left him at fullback and played Bowdoin, but I think it was great to see Bowdoin back out there, and I think it was a wise choice to put Damien at 10.
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  I was just going to say, what was interesting about Bowdoin, JK, was when you were watching the game live, like we were,
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  Just the amount of talking he was doing, the amount of just, you know, particularly early on when it was close, you know, just that old head at fullback coming in and talking to the, you know, pulling the backs together and, you know, just having that really experienced leader there who's been through so much, I thought was, you know, really added some value.
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  Oh, mate, and, you know, I think he's just a legend of our game.
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  You know, he's still here.
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  You know, he hasn't gone overseas.
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  He's had a couple of financial sabbaticals, which is great.
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  But, you know, he's here.
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  He's on his 150th game this week.
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  That was his 149th game.
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  And, look, he's been through...
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  He's been through some adversity.
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  He hasn't been picked.
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  He didn't get picked on the trip to South Africa.
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  It's been really hard for him.
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  He's gone from probably 140-odd test matches as the man to the last nine sort of not.
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  And here he is giving 100%.
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  I'm here for the team.
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  I'll play wherever you want me to play.
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  And I just think that takes someone like him into real legend status because it's pretty easy to spit the dummy and so I've been the number one for, you know, when did he come on the scene?
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  2012 or something.
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  So I just think, you know, how good.
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  And he's playing a role and that role will help us win the World Cup coming on or, you know.
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  I know you're going to say I spat the dummy at that age, Sid.
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  No, I was just going to say what you did, but I was just saying how relaxing it is just doing the show now that Victor's internet crapped out.
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  Oh, we just know that we're not going to get assaulted or bashed over the head or, you know.
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  I know.
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  It's good.
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  I know.
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  It's quite relaxing, isn't it?
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  Yeah.
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  Look, I didn't, you know, he did mention Bucky's Botha and we did understand, you know, that they call it, what we call a ute, they call it Bucky's.
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  which I knew, but Victor didn't know.
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  So I just want to remind you, you've got to go to the website ram.co.za ram.co.za backslash competition, and you can go and win, and I'll read it out.
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  It's an Isuzu D-Max 3.0 DDI V-Cross worth 790,000 rand.
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  So make sure you get on the website ram.co.za
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  backslash competition, follow the instructions.
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  Basically you just have to register and get in to win.
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  That's the sort of thing that we do for our rivals, viewers and listeners.
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  We give them a buckies.
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  And from Isuzu, of course,
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  Now that Victor knows what one is, he might be entering.
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  And so just getting back to the test match.
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  I should probably – we should probably give your sunglasses to the winner as well, should we?
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  The ones that I haven't got for you yet.
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  No, no, I want those glasses.
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  Okay.
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  I just think I'll be able to pull them off a little bit better than you.
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  I'm probably a bit better looking.
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  Yeah.
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  So where to from here, JK?
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  I mean, you're passionate all black.
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  How do we go into this next test match?
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  You know, we've just put 50 on them.
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  You know, it's hard not to get complacent when you just put 50 on a side.
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  I think the biggest challenge will be, do they stay with the same team or do they do a little bit of rotation, not a lot, to keep that energy and that little bit of edge?
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  You know, I'm sort of a little bit torn.
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  You know, I'm a little bit old school around the selection, but I think...
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  possibly changing a couple.
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  There's been a couple of injuries.
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  So I see Duplicy Carifi has come in, and he's had a little bit of a difficult season after making the All Blacks last year.
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  So I don't think Duplicy will start, but do you change up a couple of the starters
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  Maybe change the bench to starters and just go, you know, that will give us a little bit of edge, enough players to change that you're not too worried about it.
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  But, you know, maybe give Rico a start, you know, maybe change a lock around.
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  maybe, you know, put start Frizzell.
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  So you get that edge because I think complacency is an issue.
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  It shouldn't be, but I think, you know, we're talking 1% complacency at this level is probably 10 points.
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  So, you know, that's a choice that Dave might make, but we'll see, you know, what he thinks.
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  He might think that the players can get up and do it again, you know.
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  You know, I probably tend to disagree because I think, you know, you mentioned before about South Africa, just that they are much closer to the finished article because that team's been together for a long time.
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  And I think, you know, after losing three against South Africa, just this team needs some momentum.
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  You know, we want to stack some wins together and we want to build some combinations.
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  And I think for me personally,
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  I think the less tinkering, the better.
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  You know, we're starting to build these combinations.
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  You've got Tupaya and Geordie Barrett building a really nice combination.
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  You know, we're starting to, you know, each week with different loose forwards, but you've got Lakai, you've got Satiti, you know.
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  You know, you've got Tupaya building a combination, you know.
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  So I think those combinations are really important and I think it's really important that they get some continuity to continue to grow.
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  Yeah, I don't disagree with it, but I'm actually talking about swapping the bench in and the bench out, not the extended squad.
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  Right.
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  So I don't – like you and I are a little bit old school, right?
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  We sort of think about that sort of stuff.
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  But I just don't think with injuries now today, you've got a 23-man squad.
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  You know what –
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  We've all seen, you know, Russie do that, but maybe he went a bit too far against the Australians, right?
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  So all I'm saying this week is just swap the bench in and out maybe, you know.
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  You know what you do?
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  You always say, I don't disagree, but, and then you disagree.
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  But.
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  Yeah, that's nice.
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  That's a half disagree because I understand what you're saying, actually.
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  And I just think that now it is a 23-man squad.
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  And like I said before, I think, you know, the Australians for 40 minutes were pretty good.
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  You know, they went in not much behind at halftime and then we came out, you know, started pretty well, but then our bench came on and I thought was way better than their bench, you know.
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  Mm-hmm.
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  They're actually not a bad side, obviously, beating South Africa the week earlier.
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  And they're playing at home and they're hurting.
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  So, you know, they are going to get better.
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  I mean, what was your clip-tripped moment of the match?
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  What was the moment that, you know, and I'm saying clip-tripped moment of the match while I'm imagining Victor with his dodgy internet connection, he's just given up and he's just poured himself a Clippies and Coke double, stirring with his fingers.
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  And he's like not even thinking of us.
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  But what was your clip drift moment of the match?
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  It was a tackle.
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  And this is weird, right?
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  And no one will probably remember it.
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  But it was late in the game.
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  And I saw about four tackles in a row.
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  that were quite brutal.
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  And then I saw Frizzell accelerate to just smack someone.
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  And I thought, wow.
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  And I thought about you asking me for a moment and I wondered whether it would be something that I could talk about because normally I'm talking about tries.
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  But it was just this moment where it felt, you know, and we always talk about a Jerome Kaino moment.
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  But I think...
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  Palaesilo Tossi smacked someone, and then Amua smacked someone, and then Frazell accelerated and then smacked someone, and I think Jordy made it.
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  It was like, wow, they were coming forward, and it was just like you could feel.
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  And then I think it ended up in the Aussies throwing that ball and Will Jordan scored, but it came from all this amazing defensive pressure.
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  So...
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  That was my clip drift moment because I think this team's really, really good.
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  What do we need to grow?
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  That little bit of mongrel, that little bit of X factor, that little bit of wool.
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  Don't know if I want to run in that dark place.
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  And I saw it in sort of four or five of them.
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  You know, the same for me because I can get a moment now because Victor's drinking his clippies and Coke.
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  Mine was very similar, was when Geordie took that high ball and it was a great kick, just great competing for the ball and dominated that moment.
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  And you could see, a bit like your tackles, you could see it lifting the rest of the team
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  And not only did he take the high ball, but he just charged on through and showed some physicality and determination.
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  And again, I just think those are the moments, those are the Clippy's moment that really lift aside.
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  So my clip drift moment.
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  I need to give something to the Australians.
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  So that first try from the line out, went out the back, thought the...
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  play was done, all of a sudden Donaldson just with a little flick up went into the gap, first try for the Australians, I thought, why don't, here's the game, this is going to be game on, unfortunately I couldn't keep going, and New Zealand were just too strong, New Zealand were outstanding, so to New Zealand well done, but my clip drift moment of a match, go to Australia for the first outstanding try.
• 24:24
  Do you think you've seen improvement from this side from South Africa?
• 24:29
  I think absolutely improvement.
• 24:31
  I think not having the pressure of a South African defence in their face, particularly with 60,000, 80,000 screaming South Africans firing them up, just gave us that
• 24:48
  0.3 of a second time to just, you know, we're still developing a game.
• 24:53
  We're still developing combinations.
• 24:55
  I think we needed that.
• 24:56
  And I thought some of the attack was amazing, you know, and I think the Wallabies made like 220 tackles and we made 100, you know, 120.
• 25:07
  So I think, yeah, lots of improvement as the combinations and the understanding of the game plan got better and,
• 25:16
  And also, you know, the Australian Scrum is not a bad Scrum because they did well against South Africans.
• 25:24
  But we managed to get our Scrum operating better.
• 25:28
  Line-up was a bit dodgy early on, but then we sorted that out.
• 25:32
  So, yeah, I thought I can see some improvement.
• 25:34
  But there's still room for more improvement.
• 25:37
  No, totally.
• 25:38
  Yeah, I think they'll go away.
• 25:40
  I think the line-outs would be something that they'd go, you know, if we're against South Africa and we lost three line-outs in the first 15 minutes, we'd be in trouble.
• 25:48
  So I think that'll be a work on for them.
• 25:52
  Isn't it interesting, just what you just said, Ben?
• 25:55
  Everything we do in rugby is...
• 26:00
  gauged on how would that go against South Africa?
• 26:03
  You know what I mean?
• 26:04
  It's sort of like – Well, we just lost a series of the best in the world.
• 26:07
  Yeah.
• 26:08
  We just lost a series of the best in the world.
• 26:09
  So they're setting the standard, right?
• 26:12
  And we're not used to that and we don't like it, but we've got to be humble and go that's the case.
• 26:17
  So, you know, you've got to – and it's hard.
• 26:21
  It's hard when you're number one because everyone's chasing you, you know?
• 26:26
  But for me, it's just a reality that you've got to go, okay, what do we need to do?
• 26:34
  All right, well, what's your prediction for this weekend?
• 26:42
  I think we'll still beat Australia.
• 26:44
  I think we'll beat them convincingly, which for me is from 10 to 15 points.
• 26:52
  Right.
• 26:54
  Right.
• 26:55
  Yeah, I think the same.
• 26:56
  I think it will probably be – I'm going 15 to 20.
• 27:01
  Yeah, okay.
• 27:02
  I think same thing that will be – early will be pretty tight in that last 20 minutes, I think, is that where we'll make the difference.
• 27:10
  You know what's the best thing before I wrap up?
• 27:13
  We haven't talked about the referee.
• 27:15
  How good is that?
• 27:16
  Well done, ref.
• 27:16
  I thought the referee was good, mate.
• 27:18
  I thought the referee was good.
• 27:21
  Yeah, so did I, but Australia did.
• 27:22
  Yeah, no, I thought he was good.
• 27:24
  Yeah.
• 27:25
  All right, well, that is a great... J.K. and I are happy.
• 27:30
  The All Blacks put 50 on Australia.
• 27:33
  They're back...
• 27:34
  back at number one in the world, is that right?
• 27:36
  I don't know.
• 27:37
  I was just trying to have Victor on.
• 27:39
  I don't know.
• 27:39
  You can take it.
• 27:40
  JK says that the All Blacks are the number one team in the world at the moment.
• 27:44
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