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- 0:52Welcome in to the Scene Project Sports Network.
- 0:55It is tailgate Tuesday, and the whole gang is here.
- 0:58We got a special guest with us tonight too.
- 1:01But before we get into all that and some Vikings football, another win in the books,
- 1:06let's get my cohost Big B in here.
- 1:08What's happening, B?
- 1:11Know, everything's good.
- 1:13A Florida start for our Vikings, watch a little bit of baseball playoffs, but, you know, Sunday
- 1:21game was kind of scary at a point, but a win's a win.
- 1:26You got it.
- 1:27Well, we got questions on that too.
- 1:29Is a win a win or not?
- 1:32Coach, what's good, buddy?
- 1:33What's going on, man?
- 1:35How are we doing, fellas?
- 1:36We're doing good, man.
- 1:38I I just...
- 1:38Off the top, I know, you know, your your aunt passed away today, and we wanna send all of our
- 1:44love out to you and our...
- 1:45And the family.
- 1:47And, you know, we love you.
- 1:49I know all of our fans are gonna say the same thing tonight.
- 1:52Our hearts are with you, and and we're gonna be here for you throughout, man.
- 1:57So love you, man, and really happy that you decided to to jump in with us tonight and honor
- 2:03honor a legacy by being present and being in the moment with us, man.
- 2:07So I appreciate you.
- 2:09Yeah.
- 2:09It's nice to hear about that, Cody.
- 2:10Yeah.
- 2:11No.
- 2:11I hate...
- 2:12I literally just found out about it, so a little bit ago.
- 2:17But
- 2:17Yeah.
- 2:18Well, we're gonna have a nice tribute in the coming weeks to your aunt Lois, and and I know
- 2:24she's so damn proud of you and everything that you're doing, brother.
- 2:28So we're gonna get to you and get some thoughts from you, give you a minute to catch your
- 2:32breath because we got a special guest joining us tonight, our boy Brevi.
- 2:36Brevi bright lights from heavy on Vikings and purple PTSD and Sports Illustrated and...
- 2:43You know?
- 2:44I don't know.
- 2:44Is there...
- 2:44You write for, like, Playboy or anything too, Brevi?
- 2:46You working on that?
- 2:47Oh, that that was coming up.
- 2:48We were gonna announce that soon.
- 2:50Oh, perfect.
- 2:51That's in the works.
- 2:52I'm also gonna be, like, a a cover model too.
- 2:54I was shocked they wanted that.
- 2:56But
- 2:58Oh, what's up, our boys?
- 3:01In the chat, Barbara, appreciate you.
- 3:04I know you were tapping in with us on the pregame show on Sunday.
- 3:08Sorry for the technical difficulties.
- 3:10You know, we're we're working through this every day, trying to get a little bit better.
- 3:14We were without our super producer, Paul.
- 3:16This week, it was his anniversary, so we were kinda having to fly by the seat of our pants a
- 3:21little bit.
- 3:21What up, Del?
- 3:22Appreciate you tapping in, man.
- 3:25You know, I gotta get the call in line like Rap Scott going so we can get Del on here some
- 3:30other times.
- 3:31But, tonight, Brev, we got you, man, and I kinda wanna start with, you know, this is your
- 3:36first time on the show.
- 3:38Have you share a little bit about, you know, who you are, what you do.
- 3:41I know you joined us at Skullfest over there for the special, and you're a part of the
- 3:45documentary and everything.
- 3:46But let our people know who you are, what you do, and then we're gonna get some thoughts on,
- 3:50you know, just the...
- 3:51Your overall thoughts through four weeks of the season here.
- 3:55Yeah.
- 3:56My name is, by government name, my name is Brevin Bain.
- 4:00I decided to go by the name Brevi Bright Lights for god knows what reason a couple years ago on
- 4:05Twitter when I started making a name for myself in the space.
- 4:08Yeah.
- 4:08I'm I'm a writer.
- 4:10I've got my own YouTube channel called the Scotia Network that I've been putting a lot
- 4:13more work in, work into and, yeah, work for heavy on Vikings.
- 4:18As of, like, two days ago, I'm actually not with Purple PTSD anymore.
- 4:22Bubba and I talked a little bit about that while we're in Minneapolis.
- 4:25But, yeah, that that happened.
- 4:28But, yeah, my life right now, like, my work is writing about football and forming opinions on
- 4:34football to make sure people are informed.
- 4:37And, you know, it's it's a great blessing.
- 4:39It's it's a dream career to have at 26 years old, single dude, just being able to sit in my
- 4:44room, watch this terrible football team, try to attempt to play American football.
- 4:49And, it's awesome, and it was it was so cool to meet you guys all in Minneapolis.
- 4:53I know me and Bubba, had we a bunch of time together.
- 4:55So Cody and Bea, we we weren't able to spend a ton of time, like, at School Fest together.
- 4:59We were all running around.
- 5:01You guys are doing the show, and I was helping put it on.
- 5:03But it was awesome to meet you guys, awesome to meet all the community.
- 5:06And and Bubba and I, he mentioned when we were doing our interview at school, was like, I
- 5:11couldn't imagine.
- 5:12And that was before the game.
- 5:13Like, I could not have asked for a better weekend, for my first time in Minnesota, but
- 5:18first ever Vikings game.
- 5:19Like, it's just unreal, unreal stuff.
- 5:22But, yeah, I...
- 5:23I'm excited to to be on here and share opinions that hopefully people can understand on this
- 5:28football team.
- 5:30Well, I I think especially with this team is that there is no opinion right now that is
- 5:35wrong.
- 5:35Right?
- 5:36That they've shown us a little bit of everything.
- 5:39I think everyone, you can both be happy with a four and o start.
- 5:43And I think any any team that, you know, gets out of the gate that way, especially having two
- 5:48of those against division rivals, You can't be mad about it, but there's so much to look at
- 5:54with this team to to go, is that sustainable?
- 5:57Right?
- 5:58Is a defense performing at that level sustainable over a seventeen, eighteen week
- 6:03season and then the playoffs is an offense that is this inept, sustainable over, you know, a
- 6:10quarter or a half of a season while they can get it right.
- 6:13I'm...
- 6:14I mean, did you think in week one and with, like, the kind of nervous energy that was
- 6:20around, on that day and especially after the eleventh play when Kyler goes out that we would
- 6:26be here a few...
- 6:27A month later at four and o and being one of the most dominant teams in the NFL.
- 6:34Yeah.
- 6:34It...
- 6:34It's it's definitely weird.
- 6:36And for the record, this is my first time, like, talking football on the same show as,
- 6:40like, an actual football coach.
- 6:42So forgive the nerves or anything stupid that I say here.
- 6:45But, yeah, the...
- 6:47It's weird.
- 6:48It's...
- 6:48We're four and o, but it's hard to be four and o happy just because of the offense.
- 6:54And and I had been saying all offseason, like, I'm not expecting this offense to take off as
- 6:59soon as Kyler touches the field.
- 7:00Like, Tom Brady, the GOAT himself, said this is gonna take a month and a half just for Kyler to
- 7:04get fully settled in.
- 7:06So, maybe we got spoiled by seeing Sam Darnold kind of step in and and immediately have
- 7:12success when he was here in 2024.
- 7:14And and that's just the style is the the style of Sam Arnold is what fits the KFC offense
- 7:19more.
- 7:20I'd be lying to myself if I was telling people that Kyler Murray is a perfect fit for this
- 7:24offense.
- 7:25He's not.
- 7:26But for 1,300,000, we're gonna make your small ass fit.
- 7:30So it it didn't...
- 7:32I didn't expect a ton of fireworks right off the bat, but, yeah, I think a a couple more
- 7:38weeks, and we saw that toward the end of the game on Sunday, which I'm sure we'll talk more
- 7:42about.
- 7:43Definitely, it's hard to get too too excited, but I also don't wanna be that guy, woah.
- 7:49Why are you guys excited about the four and o, but we're only scoring 17 points a game
- 7:54offensively.
- 7:55So...
- 7:55But I don't know.
- 7:56I get I get both sides.
- 7:57All coming off the foot of Will Reichard.
- 8:00Yeah.
- 8:00Exactly.
- 8:01It's all off Will.
- 8:02Shout out Will.
- 8:04Yeah.
- 8:05Oh, he's he's the man.
- 8:07Our guy Selly tapping in.
- 8:09We're gonna get Selly in here in a few minutes too on a wrap with the boys.
- 8:12And Cody, if at any point you feel like you just gotta go, man, you let us know.
- 8:17We got a full house tonight.
- 8:19So, coach, let's get your thoughts in here.
- 8:21We were there at the tailgate on Sunday.
- 8:24Vibes around this Vikings team right now, at least the...
- 8:27Before the game, feeling pretty good, you know, going against an o and three at the moment.
- 8:32You know, Miami team, I think the Vikings fans felt pretty confident.
- 8:37We'd be coming away with the win regardless of how the offense looked.
- 8:40They were right.
- 8:42That's part of the reason why I didn't end up even going into the into the game.
- 8:46Although we had the chance, I think tickets got down to, like, $70 right before game time.
- 8:51And we had...
- 8:52Yeah.
- 8:53Shout out to Pods who was definitely the emergency producer stepping in at the last
- 8:58minute.
- 8:58We appreciate you Pods.
- 9:00Invaluable member of the team.
- 9:03And part of the reason was just like, I didn't expect the offense to come out and tear it up.
- 9:07I didn't expect it from there.
- 9:08And that was always my pushback about getting Kyler.
- 9:10I I love the contract.
- 9:12How do you not love paying a guy a vet minimum who has been the rookie of the year and has
- 9:15shown you competent quarterback play?
- 9:18Right?
- 9:18Mhmm.
- 9:18I've...
- 9:19Where I pushed back was all the people that are like, MVP season.
- 9:22This dude's gonna throw for 4,500 yards, and I'm like, he's...
- 9:26You realize he's never done that.
- 9:27Right?
- 9:28Like, he's never thrown for 4,000 yards.
- 9:30He's never thrown for 40...
- 9:32He's never done any of the things that you're saying he's going to do, and he's this far into
- 9:36his career.
- 9:38I think the athletic ability is starting to wane a little bit with him.
- 9:41You can see it.
- 9:42He's not the same player he was when he entered the league at 22, 23 years old.
- 9:47He's not that same guy.
- 9:48Injuries have piled up.
- 9:50He's a tick slower.
- 9:51He's...
- 9:51Doesn't have that escapability, and I think that's been on display with him, especially
- 9:55taking three sacks in the first half of of this Miami game against a team that had no sacks up
- 10:01to that point.
- 10:02Right?
- 10:03So my pushback was always in, like, can he just go out and, like, have 3,000 yards and throw 20
- 10:09touchdowns and not turn the ball over?
- 10:11Right?
- 10:11Like, go give me twenty twenty touchdowns over the season and, like, three interceptions of
- 10:16which he's already clipped two of.
- 10:18And I'm gonna be really happy because this team is built just like KOC kinda talked about it on
- 10:23Pat McAfee today is like, hey.
- 10:26If we don't turn the ball over, we win games.
- 10:28So I'm all for sticking to that coach.
- 10:31My...
- 10:32I guess my question to you is playing in this fashion and then hoping that the offense
- 10:37catches up, it showed, you know, that there was a pulse at least in the fourth quarter.
- 10:42Do you have confidence now moving forward as the schedule gets increasingly harder?
- 10:47Maybe not with the saints game.
- 10:48The saints team, I think, we expect it to be a little bit better than their record is showing
- 10:53right now.
- 10:54But after the buy, we're facing a gauntlet of six weeks, four of the six weeks being really,
- 11:00really tough top of the NFL opponents.
- 11:04I mean, I would...
- 11:06I I I do have confidence in this offense to get it going.
- 11:11You know, like Benny said, you know, it's gonna take a couple weeks for Kyler to get going.
- 11:17I think there was a little bit of pushback, between him and KOC as to how they were gonna
- 11:25run this offense.
- 11:26You know, KOC had him under center for a lot of the season, and we mentioned it in the pregame
- 11:32show.
- 11:33In this game, we had him, you know, in the shotgun, performed a lot better, was able to
- 11:39see a lot better, obviously, you know, that just being back there, able to move.
- 11:44But, you know, this Vikings team year in and year out seems to play down to the competition
- 11:50and up to the competition.
- 11:52So I just...
- 11:53I hope that we're ready to play because, I mean, we're four and o, but how good are they
- 11:58really?
- 11:58We beat Miami 15 to 10, but didn't score a touchdown.
- 12:02You know, we're the third team in NFL history to start four and o while having two games
- 12:08without a touchdown.
- 12:10You know?
- 12:10Yeah.
- 12:10I mean, that's just just...
- 12:12It's crazy.
- 12:14Yeah.
- 12:14I I don't disagree with this stat line.
- 12:17I don't even know if it needs to be this good, Pods.
- 12:20I think you can take some of those rush yards off.
- 12:23If he throws for 3,000 yards and 25, 26 touchdowns and has it under half of that many
- 12:31picks, this team's gonna win double digit, you know, 13, maybe 14 games.
- 12:36Right?
- 12:36I don't see if we're playing up to this level and this defense continues to be what it is,
- 12:41especially Dallas Turner.
- 12:42You're getting so much pressure from your defensive line now that was almost kinda
- 12:47nonexistent early last year.
- 12:49And then when Grenard got hurt and Dallas Turner came on at the end of the year, you saw
- 12:53some flashes of this.
- 12:55But that's what makes when you bring pressure so much more effective.
- 12:58Right?
- 12:58Is that you're already getting pushed with your front four.
- 13:02When you bring five or six, you're getting home, and you are creating chaos.
- 13:08And that's what this defense thrives on, and it's now just a matter of can the offense be
- 13:15competent?
- 13:16It doesn't have to be an all star caliber.
- 13:19B, I know you're a little more hesitant to give any kind of flowers to the offense.
- 13:24I, for one, you know, I I wasn't watching, and I didn't really have a chance to listen.
- 13:29I was getting out of Minneapolis traffic early on and moving and didn't have time to put the
- 13:35game on and kinda get everything situated.
- 13:37So I was on 90 before I flipped the game on, and I was...
- 13:40It was pretty much, like, fourth quarter.
- 13:42And, of course, I'm watching the score.
- 13:43I'm like, damn.
- 13:44Like, this is getting a little close for comfort.
- 13:47But then I listened to that fourth quarter, and we held the ball the whole damn time.
- 13:52It's hard to be, for me, disappointed when it felt like things finally started to click.
- 13:58And maybe that's just the bias of not watching the first three quarters where it was more of
- 14:03the same from, say, the Bucks games.
- 14:06Yeah.
- 14:06No.
- 14:07It it was a frustrating game.
- 14:08And, yeah, this this game shouldn't have been as close as it was.
- 14:14And I know a lot of people were gonna talk probably in-depth about that last play with
- 14:18Hockison falling or kneeling down or sliding, that it was a right call, wrong call, whatever.
- 14:26But, yeah, it was a frustrating game.
- 14:28Yeah.
- 14:28That fourth quarter gives you a little hope, but yet you still didn't get a touchdown.
- 14:34I mean, we've had the ball for how long, and you just couldn't punch it in.
- 14:38I mean, I I guess that's where my frustration would come in is, you know, let Hockinson punch
- 14:44that sucker in.
- 14:46The chances of them coming back and scoring two touchdowns was a less than 1% chance with two
- 14:52minutes left.
- 14:52So, I mean, yes, it could happen.
- 14:55Yes.
- 14:55It...
- 14:55You know, most likely it wouldn't happen, but, I mean, yeah, we saw some light in the fourth
- 15:00quarter with the offense.
- 15:02You know, like Cody said, they put him in the shotgun a little bit more, saw a little better,
- 15:05But there was still drop balls throughout the game by everybody.
- 15:09I mean, the three sacks, like you said, Bubba, you know, wasn't wasn't a big help, but, you
- 15:16know, it's hard for me to think we're gonna see anything better with the saints or going into
- 15:21New Orleans on a short week for them.
- 15:24You know, it kinda scary that we couldn't put up more than 15 points.
- 15:29They got to our kicker against the Miami team that, you know, can't beat a paper bag right
- 15:35now.
- 15:36And now we're going into The States that look good for three weeks.
- 15:40It's it's one of those scary games.
- 15:45He sounds like he's gonna have a panic attack.
- 15:47And I think pods that b would agree with you in that, and he kind of is embodying that right
- 15:56now of, like, yeah, we're four and o, but, like, do we suck?
- 15:59Like, we suck.
- 16:00Right?
- 16:01No.
- 16:01I mean four and o.
- 16:02You you can't be four and o and sucking.
- 16:05I mean, our defense is holding us in there, and we saw times where the defense was on the field
- 16:11a long time the last couple of games, so they're getting tired.
- 16:14Know?
- 16:14So you to
- 16:16Exactly why.
- 16:17Why you kneel at the one, and you just seal it.
- 16:21It's done.
- 16:21Yes.
- 16:22I I know.
- 16:23But it's
- 16:23I mean, it's it's like it's like I consider that a 100% chance winning.
- 16:31You know what I'm saying?
- 16:31It it...
- 16:32Like, a $100 bill.
- 16:33If you walk if you walk and you see a $100 bill and the gun, you're gonna walk past it, no.
- 16:37You're gonna pick that $100 bill out.
- 16:39Go ahead.
- 16:40Take the win.
- 16:41Take the points.
- 16:41I don't care how it comes at this point.
- 16:43I mean
- 16:44Yeah.
- 16:44Now it would have been a lot easier if he was at the 10.
- 16:47Right?
- 16:47If he was at the 10 and he just takes the knee and nobody's even having an argument about it,
- 16:52There's no saying that he even gets in there.
- 16:54He still kind of has to go through the guy.
- 16:56You say, oh, well, he can just lean and barrel into him.
- 16:58That guy can also punch that ball out, and now you've just turned the ball over, you know, up
- 17:04five with the thing.
- 17:05So it...
- 17:05It's a 100% the right play.
- 17:07To hear KOC kinda go into it with McAfee, who obviously backed it up, a former player, I
- 17:12think anybody who's coached or played the game understands that that's the right play.
- 17:16Does it look stupid?
- 17:17Does it hurt the the fantasy guys and the prop bettors and and everyone who took who took the
- 17:24Vikings, you know, plus 10 and a half.
- 17:27Doesn't have to kill them.
- 17:29That's why you can't bet on that's why you can't bet on this side.
- 17:32Big big news.
- 17:33I don't know if anybody checked out the interview I did with Jared Goering last Friday,
- 17:37but I highly suggest you go out and listen to that.
- 17:39He has the...
- 17:40A company called the Prop Laboratory, and what he does is educational, betting content and
- 17:45really digging into the environment and not like the playing environment, but the
- 17:50environment around the teams that are playing one another and and the volatility that you're
- 17:56looking for and why he's been staying away from this Vikings team with every...
- 18:02Like, literally sees Vikings on the line and goes, nope.
- 18:05Oh, I I love it.
- 18:07Well, one thing, baby, you, shout out a a a statistic about, like, how much of a percentage
- 18:14it would be and this and that.
- 18:16But, like, you gotta add on at least 70% to that because we're Minnesota.
- 18:20If it can go on, it's also
- 18:22No.
- 18:23And and the thing is, if we woulda had this show, the act right after the gig, you guys
- 18:29woulda saw a whole different...
- 18:30I I would relive it.
- 18:31I would've, you know, told f off this, f off this.
- 18:34The Hockinson was this.
- 18:36He should've just burrowed in, you know, and stuff like that.
- 18:39You know?
- 18:39And I get it.
- 18:40Yes.
- 18:41I understand it's the right play.
- 18:43It was the right move.
- 18:43Coach, you said it that you would've done the same thing.
- 18:47It's just...
- 18:48I I just...
- 18:49I think as a fan, I wanted to see that touchdown.
- 18:53I wanted to see...
- 18:54I mean, Hockinson had a great game.
- 18:56The only thing he was missing was a touchdown.
- 18:58And I I think just as a fan, that's what was the frustrating part is we had chances to go,
- 19:03and we laid down.
- 19:05You know?
- 19:05And You you tell you tell the offense the same thing that KOC told them.
- 19:10Score touchdowns earlier, and we won't have this one.
- 19:13Yeah.
- 19:14And and you're right.
- 19:15And the whole thing is is this game...
- 19:17I mean, we all thought this game was gonna be a blowout from the start.
- 19:19We had to go all bust bust heads right away.
- 19:22You know?
- 19:23So that shouldn't even matter.
- 19:24But being that it was so close throughout the whole game, it was it was it was just a fan of
- 19:29me that it was just like, oh my god.
- 19:30You didn't even punch it in when you had a chance.
- 19:33You know?
- 19:33And I I was living.
- 19:35Yeah.
- 19:36True.
- 19:36But, I mean Don't Gotta give it up to these guys.
- 19:39Great, great stats, man.
- 19:41Currently fifth in yardage and first in points.
- 19:43How do you not love that defense?
- 19:45And how do you not show them respect by saying, hey, boys.
- 19:48We got this.
- 19:49Right?
- 19:49Yep.
- 19:50No.
- 19:50I'm sure those guys are over there sucking air.
- 19:52You're obviously worried about injuries when you get into a a point like that.
- 19:56You had already lost a couple of guys.
- 19:58You know, your entire left side of the line Yep.
- 20:00Is already in the locker room by that time at the end of the game.
- 20:03Right?
- 20:03Dara saw tried to come back in, I know, and and then kinda left later.
- 20:08There is...
- 20:09There's definitely something to a respect for the defense in that moment too to say, no.
- 20:15But we...
- 20:16We're not putting you back out there.
- 20:17Don't care what the optics are, which is exactly what we've kind of been asking of KOC
- 20:22for seasons is like, you know, and this year, kind of had some, you know, revelations in
- 20:26that.
- 20:27Like, look.
- 20:27It doesn't always have to be pretty.
- 20:28I'm not gonna worry about the headlines the next day.
- 20:31They're gonna be what they're gonna be, and I'm gonna move forward.
- 20:34So I'd love the Pat McAfee interview with with KOC today.
- 20:39Another reason why I continue to kinda stand by him as a coach, because we've started to see
- 20:44some humility from a man that didn't show a lot of it in his first, you know, what, three, four
- 20:50years in the league where he he definitely had a come to Jesus moment at some point in late
- 20:56last season and finally took a hard look in the mirror, made changes, he hasn't lost the game
- 21:02since.
- 21:02He's gone one and o every single week since then.
- 21:05So I'm gonna start too, and our guy, Rap, had a great video on that today too.
- 21:10So really just...
- 21:11You know what?
- 21:12I appreciate a man taking a mea culpa.
- 21:15Right?
- 21:16Hey.
- 21:16This was my bad.
- 21:18I was too worried about outside noise, and I was calling plays and making decisions based on
- 21:24what those were going to be instead of just going out and winning football games.
- 21:28And, you know, champions don't worry about headlines.
- 21:32They worry about going one and o every single week.
- 21:35And as long as this team continues to do so and shows signs of life, And and for me, I took it
- 21:42as a positive.
- 21:43Yeah.
- 21:43Did we wanna beat the brakes off Miami?
- 21:45Sure.
- 21:45You still won.
- 21:46Coulda scored 22 on them.
- 21:48I'll give them that.
- 21:49I know it doesn't show up in the stat sheet and in the papers, but you had the game.
- 21:55You were in control.
- 21:56You never relinquished that.
- 21:58Did it get a little iffy?
- 21:59Sure.
- 21:59But you stepped up in the moments you needed to and made the plays.
- 22:03So, you know, you're gonna have to be better, I think, against the Saints team who, you know,
- 22:08kind of...
- 22:09Is Atlanta that good?
- 22:11Because Atlanta
- 22:12good.
- 22:12Yeah.
- 22:14Well, I mean...
- 22:15And this offense is getting better.
- 22:16They're starting to at least grow.
- 22:19They're controlling the wall.
- 22:20I mean, 72 plays of offense to there's 37, two to one advantage.
- 22:25We had the ball for fourteen minutes in the fourth quarter, nearly 40 for the game.
- 22:31You know, it's...
- 22:33You could do...
- 22:34Like, we were we were killing.
- 22:37Yeah.
- 22:38It's it's it's hard to get beat when you play like that.
- 22:41When you hold the ball for that long, it's hard to lose a game.
- 22:45And, honestly, the the stat...
- 22:47And I gotta shout out our guy, Dell, who I know is in the chat and hanging out with us.
- 22:51I didn't realize what the stats were.
- 22:53Like I said, I was driving home at the time, not really, you know, checking the the score
- 22:58and the stats all the time, and it was on listening to him tap in with rap later on that,
- 23:04you know, to me, that was the sign that I needed to see to feel like it's moving in the
- 23:11right direction.
- 23:12Right?
- 23:12If we didn't have that in the fourth quarter, I'm on them.
- 23:14Right?
- 23:15I'm on the Kyler, and I'm I'm probably sitting here like our guy, SK, saying I will ride.
- 23:21I want Carson Wentz.
- 23:23But you know what?
- 23:24We're we're starting to see the melding of what KOC wants to do and what your quarterback can
- 23:30do.
- 23:30And, hopefully, to to go out there and...
- 23:33You know?
- 23:34Can it start like it finished in the fourth quarter on Sunday against the saints?
- 23:39Because for me, like, now that you've shown us that you kinda figured something out, there's
- 23:44no two steps forward, one step back.
- 23:46Right?
- 23:47Like, no.
- 23:47You know what you can do well.
- 23:49Go out and just, like, do that.
- 23:50Whatever those plays were in the fourth quarter, just go run that same shit again on...
- 23:56In the first quarter and continue to do it.
- 23:59Go up by three scores early and just roll and let your defense pin their ears back.
- 24:05Well...
- 24:05And another thing is is, like, you know, a lot of people have been asking me, is this offense
- 24:11actually bad, or is it incomplete?
- 24:13And I'd say it's incomplete.
- 24:15I mean, we had, what, 336 yards of offense.
- 24:19That's our highest, you know, yardage output this season.
- 24:23You know?
- 24:25And that's without JJ.
- 24:27So, I mean, we...
- 24:29We're just consistently putting the pieces together in my opinion.
- 24:32Well, that's where it's important.
- 24:34And, coach, I guess you would attest and agree with this too.
- 24:37This is where...
- 24:38And and as fans, like, I understand, it's way quicker to look at the numbers and be like, oh,
- 24:43okay.
- 24:44This is the whole story.
- 24:45But, like, to actually watch the tape...
- 24:47And and I did I did a big no no by the NFL last night.
- 24:50I showed every single rep of Kyler Murray on NFL Pro on livestream last night.
- 24:55I'm probably gonna get sued by Roger.
- 24:58But, I showed it, and it's like, we we have this thing.
- 25:03Kyler Murray, the offense started slow, but he do...
- 25:05He wasn't even playing bad at the beginning of the game.
- 25:07He was controlling what he could control.
- 25:09He looked in control for most of the game, and, obviously, that came to fruition more at the
- 25:14end of the game where he had, in my opinion, two absolutely dagger.
- 25:18I don't know how much I can swear on here, but just the the throw to Addison in the middle of
- 25:23those three or four defenders and that that little kinda...
- 25:26That...
- 25:26I don't know if it'd be...
- 25:27You'd call it a slot fade, but that vertical route to TJ Hawkinson, perfect ball.
- 25:32And TJ Hawkinson, I will never...
- 25:34It's hard for me to say anything nice about him, but TJ Hockinson, have a day.
- 25:40Like, when when you watch the film, I think as fans, a lot of people attack the game.
- 25:46Like, if this thing is true, then this other thing must be true.
- 25:50If Kyler Murray is not playing well, then then this this other thing must be wired.
- 25:56This is the reason why.
- 25:57I think when you watch the film of yesterday in a vacuum, you see good play calling for the
- 26:02most part, and you see decent play from Kyler Murray.
- 26:05That doesn't mean that there's gonna be 400 yards of passing offense and five touchdowns to
- 26:10the air.
- 26:10It's what coach said exactly.
- 26:12It's incomplete.
- 26:13When these things click...
- 26:15And the Vikings...
- 26:16And, Bobby, you were saying this earlier.
- 26:17We we don't need to be a top five, top 10 offense that we saw every year until he he who
- 26:24shall not be named walked in here and tried to play NFL quarterback for 10 games last season.
- 26:28So, like, this isn't a new thing to where this offense would be working.
- 26:31Like, we know Kevin O'Connell, though, he didn't wake up in May last offseason, forget
- 26:36how to call a passing offense.
- 26:37You just had quarterbacks that weren't worthy of being in the NFL playing quarterback for him
- 26:41last year.
- 26:42So I think when that when that offense gets to even just league average and if Kevin
- 26:49O'Connell, he...
- 26:50He's this anointed offense of mine in the NFL, obviously, the standard for that should be
- 26:54higher.
- 26:55But in terms of winning games with this defense, league average offense is all you
- 26:59need.
- 26:59And, like, we're a legitimate contender.
- 27:03Yeah.
- 27:03You can have the eighteenth best d...
- 27:06Offense.
- 27:06And if you have a number one defense, you are going to win a lot of football games.
- 27:11And you can win postseason football games that way as well.
- 27:15I wanna go ahead
- 27:16and and get our guys three guns.
- 27:18Fire away, coach.
- 27:19So, I mean, yeah, we're, you know, we're questioning the quarterback play.
- 27:25Alright?
- 27:28You know, let's say he has a Jameis Winston season 30 for 30.
- 27:33Do you guys think that's good enough to get through?
- 27:37Like, can an NFL team legitimately contend if its defense is elite, but its offense ranks
- 27:43near the bottom of the league inefficiency?
- 27:46If you're
- 27:46still winning the turnover battle,
- 27:48I think.
- 27:49Yeah.
- 27:49Well, I just...
- 27:50Is your is your defense turning the ball over 60 times?
- 27:54Right?
- 27:54Like, if you're giving the ball away 30 times on interceptions, you're probably gonna factor
- 27:59in double digit fumbles into that over the course of a season as well.
- 28:03You can't give the ball away and give that many possessions away and expect to be a good
- 28:08football team.
- 28:09So I don't think it's possible with a 30 for 30.
- 28:12I do think it's possible with a guy that can go twenty and ten, though, give you 10 less
- 28:17touchdowns, but also give you 20 less interceptions and turn the ball.
- 28:22Just take care of the ball.
- 28:24This running...
- 28:24When we get Jordan Mason back, it's gonna really change the look of this team again as
- 28:28well.
- 28:29And maybe you can get some of these other running backs going.
- 28:32And I...
- 28:32They're committed.
- 28:33They're committed to running the ball.
- 28:35So, b, what what do you think?
- 28:40Yeah.
- 28:40I'm I'm with you, Bob.
- 28:41I think we could do it with the twenty ten guy.
- 28:44I'm not sure.
- 28:46I I I don't think it's a possibility we could do it with a thirty thirty guy either.
- 28:50But like you said, though, the defense almost has to get a turnover every time they get on
- 28:55the field, if not twice.
- 28:57So, no, I just think, you know, what we saw Friday, I mean, Tyler didn't make any mistakes.
- 29:06He did throw an interception.
- 29:08He, you know, like, was said that had a couple nice day gets there in the fourth quarter.
- 29:15So it might be one of those that we just have to sit back and include myself and just let the
- 29:21office develop.
- 29:22And, hopefully, the bye week's a good learning experience for them, and we come all with
- 29:26against the lions.
- 29:27And we seal a a revamped offense where they've taken it down and the defense is not as tired.
- 29:35And if if this if this team could come complete, the sky's the limit for these guys.
- 29:41And and I think
- 29:42that's why I'm excited, right, is that we have been underperforming in every way, and we're
- 29:49starting to see that arrow kinda turn upwards a little bit.
- 29:53And that has to give you...
- 29:55Like I said, I saw signs of life finally out of an offense that has been flatlined for three
- 30:01three quarter games.
- 30:03And now you're like, oh, oh, if it looks like that for four quarters, you're gonna start
- 30:10putting up more points than you did.
- 30:12You're gonna have three touchdowns and and, you know, probably still gonna have three, four
- 30:17field goals because drives stall out.
- 30:19But you literally get across the 50 yard line, and you're like, put it in, Will.
- 30:24Like, we're we're good.
- 30:26Well...
- 30:26And I just wanna point this out.
- 30:28I mean, like, yeah, it looked better.
- 30:31It was by far one of the better performances so far, but dig...
- 30:35I dug a little deeper.
- 30:37Kyler averaged just shy of five yards per attempt.
- 30:41Only 18.9% of his throws traveled at least 10 yards downfield and zero pass...
- 30:49Zero passes of 20 plus through the air.
- 30:52So my question to you guys is, do you think Kevin O'Connell is protecting Kyler Murray, or
- 30:59is the offense simply not creating enough explosive passing opportunities?
- 31:05Can I take this one?
- 31:06Yes.
- 31:06Go, Brev.
- 31:08I think Kevin O'Connell has been doing exactly...
- 31:11I'm really gonna come off like an ultimate Kevin O'Connell apologist, which I kind of am.
- 31:16But, I think Kevin O'Connell has been doing exactly what people had been criticizing him
- 31:20for for, especially with JJ McCarthy last year, which I didn't agree with.
- 31:27I think, like, watching the film, there's a lot more short stuff than there seem than there
- 31:31seem to be in years past.
- 31:33Kyler has always been that short ADOT guy.
- 31:36He's always been kind of a check down merchant.
- 31:38That's part of why he was, like, the seventh most accurate quarterback of all time coming
- 31:41into the season.
- 31:42But, I think part of it is that's just who Kyler Murray is.
- 31:46I think Kevin O'Connell knows that.
- 31:48And, like, the the tape of Tampa Bay, I I broke that down too.
- 31:52I was like, oh my god, Kyler.
- 31:54Just take the check down.
- 31:55You've done it for seven years.
- 31:56Just do...
- 31:57Jawan Jennings is right there.
- 31:58Just throw just throw the the six yard grab route, get your yards.
- 32:01It...
- 32:01It's cool.
- 32:02You can do that.
- 32:02You're allowed to do that.
- 32:03This week, it's kinda like he was like, oh, yeah.
- 32:06I can do that.
- 32:07So I think once we get that healthy kind of medium, I guess, and that's where we go back to
- 32:13the offense, it's just incomplete.
- 32:16Because there there are things downfield.
- 32:18This week, it didn't look like as many things were open downfield as last week.
- 32:21And, of course, part of that is the Justin Jefferson effect.
- 32:25Jordan Addison is a fine wide receiver.
- 32:27I'm not as high on him as a lot of Vikings fans are.
- 32:30Ty Felton either, Brev.
- 32:32We're
- 32:32a good company.
- 32:33Ty Felton couldn't even get open in Maryland, so I I don't have high hopes of him getting
- 32:38open in the NFL right now.
- 32:40But, yeah, I think downfield to Justin Jefferson, the the the lack of him on the field
- 32:45was felt.
- 32:46So I think when he comes back and teams just have to respect him more, I think downfield
- 32:51opens up.
- 32:51And we saw Kyler's ability to throw downfield.
- 32:53Got...
- 32:54Oh my god.
- 32:54I made some weird noises when I saw that one third of Jordan Addison in the last drive.
- 32:59I...
- 32:59Like, not...
- 32:59It it
- 33:00probably Yeah.
- 33:00I just explicit.
- 33:01I don't think the forty, fifty yard...
- 33:03Like, he doesn't have that.
- 33:05Right?
- 33:05Like, because of the size and and not to just rag on the guy, like, he can't help the way
- 33:10that he was born, but he's not a Darnold who can throw the ball 80 yards in the air.
- 33:15Right?
- 33:15He doesn't have that.
- 33:17And to ask him to do those things is putting him not in the best position to win.
- 33:23And I think that's all that I've been asking out of out of KOC the last few years.
- 33:26It's what I was asking in the the NFC championship or the divisional game against the
- 33:31Rams.
- 33:32Like, why are you having fucking Sam Darnold drop back 50 times?
- 33:37Like, that's not his game.
- 33:38And then last year, he goes out and wins a Super Bowl playing exactly what he's built to
- 33:42do, and you're like, yeah.
- 33:43Why couldn't we do that?
- 33:45And now you have a a coach who has adjusted everything that he wants to do to fit his
- 33:51quarterback, and and we kinda wanna come after him now for that as well.
- 33:55And it's just people can't ever, just Well You know, you you can't be happy.
- 34:02And I was gonna follow it up as it kinda scares me, and I hope that this, offense continues to
- 34:08progress and elevate, because right now, defenses are gonna start to realize, like, hey.
- 34:13We gotta make Minnesota drive down the field.
- 34:16You know, dink and dunk, and we're doing it right now, but can we do that against an elite
- 34:21defense?
- 34:22You know what I'm saying?
- 34:23Can we get away with that?
- 34:26Yeah.
- 34:26Well, we're gonna we're gonna find out, in, like, three weeks.
- 34:31Detroit doesn't scare me.
- 34:33The Bills are the Bills, and and I think that's gonna be by far our biggest test up to that
- 34:40point.
- 34:41It's a Monday night game.
- 34:42It's gonna be the salute to service game.
- 34:44It's gonna have a lot riding on it as you finally kinda see it and not to get out over
- 34:49our skis and kinda forget about the other ones.
- 34:51Right now, you're kinda playing with house money.
- 34:53The saints look very beatable coming off a short week, feeling pretty good about this.
- 34:57It sounds like Jettas will be back.
- 34:59He's been moving around.
- 35:00You know he wants this one in the Superdome, a place where he probably grew up going to games.
- 35:05Right?
- 35:06I'm sure being a local kid.
- 35:07So he wants this, and that's probably a big reason.
- 35:10He probably could've gone.
- 35:11And if this was a playoff game or end of the season and had any consequence to it, he
- 35:15probably plays against Miami on Sunday.
- 35:18Right?
- 35:19But it's...
- 35:20Hey.
- 35:20It's a long season, bud.
- 35:22We know you're gonna wanna be back for New Orleans.
- 35:24Let's get you rested up and coming in, and then you're gonna have the buy after that.
- 35:28So, yeah, we'll see.
- 35:29And, hey, that's that's no...
- 35:32And fig...
- 35:32That's no disrespect to the saints.
- 35:34There was a lot of talk.
- 35:35I hadn't watched any saints football until last night, and the wife was bowling.
- 35:39So we had it up on the TV at the bowling alley and kinda watching.
- 35:43And they looked beatable.
- 35:45And I guess that was my thing is I thought they were going to be a little bit tougher, and and
- 35:50maybe that's Atlanta.
- 35:51Maybe Atlanta is better than than we're kind of giving them credit for.
- 35:55We know they can run the ball.
- 35:56They did it to us last year on the...
- 35:59Was it a Monday night or a Sunday night game, a week two, and just beat the brakes off of this
- 36:04Vikings team and ran our defense off the field.
- 36:07So, you know, I we'll see, man.
- 36:11Let's get our guys set.
- 36:11Selly's been backstage for a while.
- 36:13I I wanted to get some of these thoughts out, but let's get our guy Selly in here.
- 36:17Selly, meet our boy Brevi.
- 36:19Brevi, this is our guy Selly, cohost our basketball show with me and contributes on the
- 36:24tailgate show too.
- 36:26Nice to meet you.
- 36:27I...
- 36:27Brevi, great insight, dude.
- 36:29Been listening the whole time.
- 36:30Appreciate you.
- 36:31Try my best, at least.
- 36:33I'm gonna be honest, guys.
- 36:34I thought this pod would be a little...
- 36:36A lot more negative today.
- 36:39Hey.
- 36:39Four and only.
- 36:40You got...
- 36:41What's there to be negative about?
- 36:43No.
- 36:44Because, like, the offense, I had a whole bunch of notes.
- 36:46I had, like, QB options you might trade for, benching Kyler.
- 36:52I'm like, oh, scrap it, though.
- 36:53I I...
- 36:54I'm ready for different Well,
- 36:56let's let's start here.
- 36:57Let's start here.
- 37:00TJ Hockinson.
- 37:01Okay?
- 37:03Yeah.
- 37:03Probably the biggest offensive story of the game.
- 37:0613 receptions, 13 targets, a 119 yards.
- 37:10Zero drops, zero touchdowns, you know, 100% catch rate.
- 37:14He tied his career high, set a Vikings record for receptions in a game against Miami.
- 37:21Instead of scoring, Hawkinson went down.
- 37:26What...
- 37:26Me your thoughts.
- 37:28No.
- 37:29I...
- 37:29I'm all about the win.
- 37:30Like, you just gotta...
- 37:32You just have to guarantee the win.
- 37:34In the NFL, weird stuff happens.
- 37:36Funky stuff can happen, and you just wanna guarantee the win get out of there.
- 37:41Just...
- 37:41I'm a...
- 37:42I'm a...
- 37:43Agree with what he did.
- 37:44Right.
- 37:44Because, I mean, Miami had no timeouts.
- 37:47All we simply had to do is kneel.
- 37:50I always go back to a few years ago with, Sam...
- 37:55Or Kirk Cousins and that amazing catch with Jefferson, that Bills game few years.
- 38:00You know what I'm saying?
- 38:01I mean, they they were at the goal...
- 38:05Bills at the goal line just trying to get out of there, fumble it.
- 38:08We pick it up, you know, get the score, and, you know, get the safety and then go down and
- 38:14tie it and eventually win.
- 38:15So you never know what's gonna go down.
- 38:18Take it while you can run.
- 38:19Take it and run with it.
- 38:22No.
- 38:23I agree with you.
- 38:23Fumbled snaps, botched snaps.
- 38:26You don't want anything weird happening.
- 38:28And once you have the wind solidified, you should take the knee.
- 38:32Yeah.
- 38:32It's like it's
- 38:32What's like happening in the in the...
- 38:35In victory formation too?
- 38:36Could've been a box snap and stuff like that.
- 38:39So why you have three guys behind the quarterback that are within a yard of the
- 38:42football.
- 38:43One looking down.
- 38:44You are lowering that to point 1%, and the other team had
- 38:48that respect.
- 38:49But everybody everybody made it sound like it was a part...
- 38:52A foregone conclusion that nothing could happen after we took the knee or laid down on the one.
- 38:59I mean
- 39:00I mean, a reason we call it victory formation, b.
- 39:04Like, like, there's there's there's a reason for that.
- 39:07Shout out to Hawkinson for...
- 39:09You know, he happened a game like that and, you know, 13 targets, 13 catches over a 100 yards.
- 39:15No.
- 39:15I...
- 39:16But no touchdowns.
- 39:18That speaks to his character.
- 39:20You know, he's all about the team.
- 39:22I know a lot of people that are just...
- 39:23Would have walled stuff in there.
- 39:25You feel me?
- 39:26So
- 39:26I would've.
- 39:27And the the thing that I
- 39:28It is what it is.
- 39:29That's why I coached that play.
- 39:31Yeah.
- 39:31Yeah.
- 39:31The the thing I think of is, like, not even just...
- 39:35Like, I wouldn't be worried about Miami coming back.
- 39:37Like, your your winning percentage is still above 98, 99% if you wanna give it a number.
- 39:42But, like, you go to the casino, you get up money.
- 39:46Let's get the hell out of there.
- 39:48Money on a blackjack.
- 39:49Take it and run.
- 39:50Yeah.
- 39:51If if you score a touchdown, cool.
- 39:53Like, and b was completely...
- 39:54Like, as a fan, I wanna see the Vikings score touchdowns.
- 39:57The argument on Twitter that I saw that I didn't like was, oh, I just wanted the offense
- 40:01to have momentum going into next week.
- 40:03There was not a force field at the goal line of no momentum versus momentum going into New
- 40:07Orleans.
- 40:08So that's that's the argument I hated the most.
- 40:10And then, like, who's the...
- 40:11Like, your your chances of losing that game if you score the touchdown are point 0.5%.
- 40:18Yep.
- 40:19But the the chance of injury to a defensive player...
- 40:22And we...
- 40:23I think we all know that that...
- 40:24Knowing this team, there's a good chance for that.
- 40:26I've...
- 40:27I'm already out Charles Demings for a week.
- 40:28Like, I'm struggling.
- 40:29I can't lose another person.
- 40:31So I think the chances of a defensive player getting hurt are above 5%, and that's enough
- 40:36for me to be like, oh, a 100%?
- 40:38Yeah.
- 40:38Let...
- 40:38Let's bounce.
- 40:40Let's get out of here.
- 40:40No.
- 40:41And and that's the whole thing is I I get the whole thing.
- 40:43And like I said, if you guys woulda got me after the game, would've been a whole different
- 40:48big b right now.
- 40:49Yeah.
- 40:49But,
- 40:49no, I totally get it.
- 40:51I understand it.
- 40:52You know?
- 40:54So
- 40:55Yeah.
- 40:56You gotta keep this team fresh for 17 games, and you don't do that by putting a tire defense
- 41:01back on the field when you don't need to.
- 41:04And and that's why it was a great coaching moment.
- 41:06I think it's been, you know, kind of reiterated now in the papers.
- 41:10And I don't think anybody inside of that building was like, damn.
- 41:12Like, we should have got more points on the board.
- 41:15You know?
- 41:15You...
- 41:16Whatever.
- 41:16Like, it doesn't matter.
- 41:18You move on.
- 41:18Right?
- 41:18The the twenty four hour rule that they all kinda live by that that gets in there.
- 41:25Yeah.
- 41:25Jackson being out now for the season, the...
- 41:29This hurts.
- 41:29Right?
- 41:30And somebody had kinda mentioned it earlier.
- 41:32Fig, it might have been you that, you know, this is kinda Teasley time.
- 41:36What can he do to go get us that?
- 41:38And I think the guys that came in performed admirably for backups, but you know right now
- 41:44with three weeks three weeks or a month leading up to the to the trade deadline, and you'd have
- 41:52to correct me, Brad.
- 41:52You're the one who'd be in there.
- 41:54The running backs, like, we're gonna get a running back back.
- 41:56Like, when we get Jordan Mason back, that whole room shifts to where it should be just like
- 42:00getting Justin Jefferson back.
- 42:01Everything kinda goes where it should be and slides back into spots, so I'm not worried
- 42:06about that.
- 42:06But we need the interior of the offensive line help, especially being out Josh Oliver, which I
- 42:13think not a lot of people...
- 42:14There's some people that are talking about it, the ones who are know how important it is.
- 42:18It's the reason that you were seeing Caleb Tiernan out on the field and you were seeing
- 42:22this elephant package that they call it instead of a three tight end look.
- 42:27Right?
- 42:27It is because you no longer have that guy over here.
- 42:31Shout out our guy, two e.
- 42:33I play McCarthy too, man.
- 42:36Like, that's the reason my signal sucked on Sunday, not because I turned the fucking
- 42:40Starlink the wrong way.
- 42:42Mhmm.
- 42:43Underneath the tree.
- 42:45Yep.
- 42:45Yeah.
- 42:45Well, it'd be supposed to point north, and I thought it was like the old direct to me
- 42:49satellite.
- 42:49It had to point south.
- 42:51No.
- 42:51It goes the opposite way.
- 42:52I don't know directions very well.
- 42:54I'm a stupid podcaster.
- 42:55You guys leave me alone.
- 42:56Neither do
- 42:57I assume we're gonna find out what's going on with with Darasaw tomorrow.
- 43:03I highly doubt with the way it looked that he's going to be a full participant on Wednesday,
- 43:09and we'll see if that moves the limit on Thursday and Friday.
- 43:12Speaking of Barasol, as of ESPN's reporting, he's in the cutter...
- 43:19Concussion protocol for all the Sunday game Yep.
- 43:22Versus the dolphins.
- 43:23So Yep.
- 43:24Yeah.
- 43:24So it's day by day pretty much with him.
- 43:26If he could pass those tests, he'll play.
- 43:28If he can, he won't.
- 43:29So Okay.
- 43:30And that's gonna that's gonna affect this running game.
- 43:33And Yep.
- 43:34You know, you were talking about keeping the defense fresh.
- 43:36We gotta try to keep this Aaron Jones fresh.
- 43:3920 carries, 94 yards, 4.7 per carry.
- 43:43I mean, he's he's a dog, and he was able to run...
- 43:47We were able to run the ball effectively while keeping, Miami honest and controlling the
- 43:53clock.
- 43:53But, I mean, shoot.
- 43:56I don't know how long it will last, but I feel like Aaron Jones is the in...
- 44:00Is still the engine of this offense.
- 44:03Yeah.
- 44:04Well, he looks healthy, and he looked healthy in training camp and really...
- 44:08The same thing with Hawk.
- 44:09Right?
- 44:10Got on Hawk a lot last year.
- 44:12He just wasn't the same guy.
- 44:13That knee injury in, you know, what, 2024, I I think was still having effects.
- 44:20It looks like he's kinda back to being the athlete that he's been.
- 44:23The guy's never gonna be an elite blocker.
- 44:25Right?
- 44:26Like, he...
- 44:26It's just not in his game.
- 44:28It is what it is.
- 44:29But if he can go out and get open over a a safety and and kind of get loose from some of
- 44:36these linebackers.
- 44:37He was always a matchup problem as kind of that u tight end.
- 44:41So if he's playing at that level, that helps a lot.
- 44:44It's just a matter of figuring out where guys are gonna slot in to keep this running game
- 44:50kinda moving at the level that it has been because it is right now a huge part of this
- 44:55offense.
- 44:57Yeah.
- 44:58And I think the the thing to note with Dara saw is he went out...
- 45:03He came back in after he went out and then went out again.
- 45:06So I think when he went out, it was a...
- 45:08It looked like a stinger kind of because his head, like...
- 45:11It...
- 45:11The head did the thing where he, like, went to the back of the knee and, like, his...
- 45:15He kind of, like, for...
- 45:17I don't I don't know the word for that, so hopefully that made sense.
- 45:20Basically, like, his head, like, neck got shoved back into his body.
- 45:24So I think he had probably a stinger or something then, and then he went out with the
- 45:29concussion.
- 45:30Because there's no way he went to concussion protocol.
- 45:32They're like, you're good, man, and then send him back out there, and he's out for concussion
- 45:37protocol, which That's amazing.
- 45:38The Vikings training staff and and some of the behind the scenes stuff on that maybe wouldn't
- 45:42surprise me a lot.
- 45:43But, yeah, losing Darisaw would would...
- 45:46So I I highly doubt he plays this week just because we got the bye week next week.
- 45:51I I think we can survive.
- 45:52Yeah.
- 45:53Yeah.
- 45:54Can can you survive one week and move on, get healthy over the bye?
- 46:00Hopefully, from the way KOC was talking today is he said Mason's gonna be back after the buy.
- 46:05Yeah.
- 46:05And that's what he said on McAfee.
- 46:07So he's not coming out on national TV and and putting that out there if they aren't a 100%
- 46:13confident that he's gonna make it back.
- 46:15So that...
- 46:16That's really exciting to kind of forecast that a little bit.
- 46:20You hope if it is the concussion protocol that it's only the one game and it's not a long
- 46:26standing thing.
- 46:27Thank god it's not a knee.
- 46:28Prayers up to Donovan Jackson.
- 46:30Love the young man.
- 46:31Love his mom too.
- 46:33I hope she still goes to the game.
- 46:35Missus Jackson is just a
- 46:36phenomenal days.
- 46:37Oh, man.
- 46:38She's a phenomenal woman.
- 46:39And and that's kind of...
- 46:40Barbara, you you kinda said it.
- 46:42Huber played good.
- 46:42You didn't hear a lot of trouble from that interior.
- 46:45Right?
- 46:46I think the the trouble was coming off of the edge with this.
- 46:49Like I said, I was driving for the first half and and three quarters of the game, so I wasn't
- 46:53really tuned in heavily to this.
- 46:55But it seemed like you you don't go out and have the fourth quarter that they do without
- 46:59guys stepping up and doing their jobs.
- 47:02Right?
- 47:02So you have them that are serviceable now.
- 47:06Can they keep it rolling and everybody just slot in where they need to and keep, you know,
- 47:11keep this thing rolling?
- 47:13That's a good question.
- 47:14Can we keep it rolling?
- 47:15Can we survive?
- 47:17You know, that was a key keyword you mentioned a little bit ago.
- 47:21You know, with Justin Jefferson unavailable, Addison had to become that number one perimeter
- 47:26threat.
- 47:27Four catches, 52 yards.
- 47:30I mean, late in the game, he had that 27 yard completion that helped, on the final drive.
- 47:37But can Jordan Addison be the number one receiver if Justin Jefferson misses extended
- 47:42time?
- 47:43Give me your thoughts.
- 47:44No.
- 47:45Oh, I thought you were at direct look.
- 47:46No.
- 47:47I've said it repeatedly.
- 47:48He's not a number one wide receiver.
- 47:50I've said that I don't know that he's really a great number two wide receiver.
- 47:55I think that he's a really great...
- 47:56If he's slotted into wide receiver three and is your gadget, you you know, what they call an
- 48:02adjuster, some offensive guys call him, I think that's his prime position.
- 48:07But, you know, a lot of Vikings fans don't wanna hear that.
- 48:11I think if you had...
- 48:12And it's not Juwan Jennings.
- 48:13Juwan Jennings is kind of a glorified tight end that's at a wide receiver position.
- 48:18He's not gonna go out.
- 48:19He can't really get himself open either.
- 48:21Jordan Addison, if he's getting jammed at the line and they're taking the top away with a
- 48:25three deep look, he's not gonna get the ball.
- 48:28And he's gonna have games like he had now where he catches a few balls, he's never gonna be
- 48:33that number one guy.
- 48:35I would love to see us in this draft as deep as it is and with as many picks as we have, go out
- 48:39and find another big bodied receiver.
- 48:41You're not gonna find another Justin Jefferson, but can you find a guy with that body type that
- 48:46JJ and Randy Moss can fucking coach up and have it be a two and really have that that kind of
- 48:53three deep again.
- 48:54Right?
- 48:54Having a a a Chris Carter and a Randy Moss esque matchup where just Addison's not...
- 48:59He's not that guy, man.
- 49:00He's not strong enough off the ball.
- 49:02He's just not big enough to really get himself off of the press man and to do that.
- 49:08And you've seen it for the last few weeks, and I know he had a decent game against the Bucks,
- 49:12a couple of big catches.
- 49:13But once they went to the too high safety look and took the...
- 49:16And we're like, no.
- 49:17We're gonna make you take everything underneath.
- 49:19He didn't get the ball.
- 49:20And...
- 49:21Because you can't...
- 49:22The problem is is that unlike Jefferson, Jefferson, you can layer a ball over a
- 49:26linebacker, and Justin can't catch it because he has this huge catch radius.
- 49:31When you layer that ball over the linebacker to Jordan Addison, it's over his head.
- 49:37Right?
- 49:38So it's not there.
- 49:40And and the one that got complete, Brev, that, you probably made some kind of squealing noise
- 49:45like a pig.
- 49:45I don't know Oh, yeah.
- 49:46Exactly what it sounded like.
- 49:48Mhmm.
- 49:48But that ball almost gets deflected by the defender in watching the replay.
- 49:54Right?
- 49:54Like, it doesn't go over the linebacker.
- 49:56It goes by that...
- 49:57Or DB or whatever that layer is.
- 49:59It kinda goes by them on a on a lateral side.
- 50:03Right?
- 50:03So, those are dangerous passes at the end of the day because those are the ones that get
- 50:08tipped up in the air.
- 50:09This team needs Justin Jefferson on the field to be the championship caliber.
- 50:14There's there's no help coming, that's on this team right now.
- 50:18Because every other receiver you have below that, Miles Price, Ty Felton, they're all kind
- 50:22of in this smaller gadget player, type build.
- 50:26Well...
- 50:27And we're gonna we're gonna need the protection for that, and that's gonna start with this
- 50:31offensive line.
- 50:32I mean, we entered this game with the same starting offensive linemen for every snap the
- 50:37first three games, and Miami started taking pieces away.
- 50:41Donna Jackson with that, left, with that knee injury.
- 50:45We already spoke about Darasol with that neck injury, and then going into concussion
- 50:51evaluation.
- 50:52And, I mean, maybe I was bad luck mentioning the fact that we have...
- 50:56You know, Miami hadn't got a sack because they came after us and got that real quick first
- 51:01play of the game.
- 51:02So do you guys think the Vikings offensive line is becoming the biggest threat to the
- 51:08offensive's development?
- 51:12I think it is.
- 51:13I mean, I think the offensive line has always been...
- 51:16Had its issues as much as we wanna think that we got a good offensive line.
- 51:20I mean, we're not moved away from a few years ago when we started how many different
- 51:26combinations on the offensive line.
- 51:28I mean
- 51:28Oh, that was last year, and it was, like, 50 something, wasn't it, Brad?
- 51:31You probably know the stat.
- 51:33It was Yeah.
- 51:33So it's one of those things where, I mean, old school football still is a big part of today's
- 51:39game.
- 51:40You gotta build that office line.
- 51:42Gotta build that defense line.
- 51:43You gotta win the line of scrimmage.
- 51:44You're gonna win the game.
- 51:46And right now, the Vikings got that on the defensive side.
- 51:49Now we need it on the offensive side where we got the big boys up there that can stay
- 51:54healthy, open up holes, give the quarterback time, give the running back time to do his
- 51:58thing, and the play develops.
- 52:01I I do think that the offensive line is one a of our issues.
- 52:08Yeah.
- 52:09No.
- 52:09It's Will Fry's Will Fry's is a big part of that too, and O'Neil on the right side.
- 52:15And and, you know, Skull, you kinda mentioned O'Neil in there, and I I think that's the
- 52:21tandem.
- 52:22Right?
- 52:22Like, Fry's just hasn't been good enough.
- 52:25Shout out to Blake Brandle who, besides playing center last year at the end of the year, kind
- 52:31of an emergency status.
- 52:32Turn out.
- 52:33And then getting his first time starting in that role and and kinda stepping into it.
- 52:37I mean, shout out to the guy who's been doing an excellent job, I think, kind of anchoring
- 52:42that offensive line.
- 52:44But, yeah, it's weird that the...
- 52:46You know, your mister Viking, Brian O'Neil, and his cohort on the right side, Will Fries, have
- 52:52kind of been the weak spot of this team and where a lot of your pressure and, you know, the
- 52:57the problems are coming that are creating the sacks or the poor running game.
- 53:03Yeah.
- 53:03And now that now that the bad man is gone and JJ McCarthy's off my favorite football team,
- 53:08not only was he one of the biggest deciding factors of if I'm gonna cry at night after a
- 53:14football game.
- 53:15Now that he's gone, the offensive line might be that because the the side of your line that's
- 53:20getting injured...
- 53:21And it goes without saying that offensive, like, trench play is probably the most
- 53:24important phase of the game.
- 53:26And I'm a 26 year old man admitting that.
- 53:28So if they get some respect for that in the in the chat, it's not all about the big plays.
- 53:31But, the left side of the line, like, were elite.
- 53:35That was your good side of the line.
- 53:37They're like, Will Fry's has been...
- 53:39Will Fry...
- 53:40Oh my god.
- 53:40Will Fry sucks.
- 53:42And, thankfully, you can get out of that contract very easily, not not too badly scathed
- 53:48after the season.
- 53:49But, Brian O'Neil, he's like, he's been fine.
- 53:51He was getting beat bad by Chop Robinson last Sunday, but Chop is just a dog.
- 53:55I loved him come out of his draft class.
- 53:57But now that the left side is down, it's like, oh, man.
- 54:02Thank god Kyler's mobile, I guess.
- 54:04Because if you're in here with a with a Carson Wentz or a Kirk Cousins, that's where I'm,
- 54:09like, really scared.
- 54:10But...
- 54:11Yeah.
- 54:11I mean, it has to be it has to be the biggest determining factor now.
- 54:17Yeah.
- 54:17And that's an interesting question too, e, be...
- 54:20Because are they middle middle of the pack?
- 54:22And they might be.
- 54:23Don't...
- 54:23You know, offensive line rankings being kinda tough to narrow down, and, obviously, are are
- 54:30fucking high with their rankings.
- 54:32After they gave Dallas Turner the 40 or whatever for the bears game, I I don't pay any
- 54:37attention to them.
- 54:38I didn't anyway, but that's beside the point.
- 54:40Recording the data.
- 54:41Yeah.
- 54:42Fig, I I don't think you're wrong there.
- 54:44I think that Nolan Teasley has probably seen enough already.
- 54:47He might not be in that position later this year.
- 54:50I I think that they're pretty happy with Huber stepping in at guard.
- 54:54Right?
- 54:54Huber was playing the guard spot and then who was outside at the tackle, which you think
- 54:59you're gonna get Darisov back anyway.
- 55:00So you're not too worried about that.
- 55:02But, yeah, Huber is stepping in and being your starting left guard, and I think they're
- 55:06probably pretty happy with that.
- 55:07Where...
- 55:08Can you get a depth guy off a practice squad?
- 55:11Right?
- 55:11Can you get somebody that can fill into those, you know, underneath?
- 55:15You're not gonna go out and pull a starting guard off of anyone's team right now.
- 55:18Right.
- 55:19You're not getting that caliber of a player.
- 55:21So it it...
- 55:22It'll be interesting to see what's done.
- 55:24You have to imagine that they're gonna get someone just because they were already a little
- 55:29thin at interior offensive line to begin with.
- 55:33And I think actually that you have more...
- 55:35I think you actually have better center depth and then, like, move Brandel over.
- 55:39And I kinda heard early in the season, and it and it might have even been in the preseason
- 55:45that, you know, Judd over on...
- 55:47Judd Zolgad Purple Daily had kinda mentioned something of that is that if you have problems
- 55:52inside, do you move...
- 55:53Brandell's been playing so good at center that you hate to mess with a a good thing, but, you
- 55:57kinda cross those bridges when you have to.
- 55:59I think Huber will be fine, and you just kinda gotta roll with what you got.
- 56:04Well, and someone had mentioned that, they didn't hear Hubert's name a lot.
- 56:09And that's a good thing if you're offensive lineman.
- 56:11If don't hear the dude's name a lot, that's a good thing.
- 56:14If you don't hear offensive lineman's names and cornerback's names, they're playing well.
- 56:19Yes.
- 56:20Yes.
- 56:20And to, to give you some
- 56:22know it.
- 56:23Yeah.
- 56:23To give you some stats here, Bubba, some non stats to kinda paint a picture of this
- 56:28offensive line, time to pressure the Vikings rank twenty second in the NFL.
- 56:33Vikings quarterbacks are pressured at the sixteenth, most often in the NFL, despite being
- 56:40blitzed the seventh most often in the NFL.
- 56:42So they're they're right there around middle of the pack.
- 56:45Yeah.
- 56:45And and picking up the blitz.
- 56:47And that's why a lot of people in a few of the games, the...
- 56:49I heard people dogging on the offensive line with the the Bucks game.
- 56:55And, I mean, the Bears game was just a fishbowl, so I kinda wiped that one
- 56:58Yeah.
- 56:58Off.
- 56:58I thought the offensive line played pretty well against the Bucks.
- 57:02Got beat on some, but that's, like, the nature of the game.
- 57:05I thought they play well.
- 57:06I thought that Kyler was holding on to the ball too long and that he wasn't being decisive, and
- 57:10I thought that was more of kinda making your offensive line look worse than they were.
- 57:14He was getting an average, like, four and a half seconds, I think, in that Bucks game.
- 57:18So, yeah, they're looking good.
- 57:20The the the Donovan...
- 57:22You can't understate the Donovan Jackson loss.
- 57:24It's hard to replace someone of that caliber that that can move like he does at the size
- 57:29that he does and just really be an anchor in the, you know, in the pass game as well.
- 57:34But if you can get competent and maybe a little bit better than that out of Huber, I don't
- 57:41think you take too much of a hit.
- 57:42And a great thing that Barber just kinda brought up, if the goal has kinda been to get
- 57:49Kyler comfortable and now he's starting to feel that way, you see KOC changing the playbook and
- 57:54the play calls in the fourth quarter there.
- 57:57Are we gonna let him do there?
- 57:58I I don't know how many I don't know how many, like, called runs and RPOs that they're gonna
- 58:04do, especially with the concussion early in the year.
- 58:06You don't wanna put them in danger, but a little bit more of the sprint out or rollouts,
- 58:12I'm okay with that.
- 58:14Even if it, you know, maybe isn't what you want to do and isn't one a on your list of ways that
- 58:20you wanna do it, you have to do what's working for your team.
- 58:24And and I think we were all begging for that last year when when JJ McCarthy was the
- 58:29starting quarterback of this team.
- 58:31Like, hey.
- 58:31Do what the fucking kid can do well.
- 58:33Will you do that?
- 58:34And now do it for the other guy that you brought in and kinda hand selected, and don't
- 58:40be stubborn in what you, you know, want to do.
- 58:43It's okay.
- 58:44Find ways in that pistol to run the ball effectively and and do something.
- 58:50As long as the the run can still be a threat, the play action is gonna be open, and you're
- 58:55gonna be able to hit these 15 to 20 yard chunk plays.
- 58:58I'd say the forty, fifty yard chunks probably aren't coming.
- 59:02That's just not in this game unless it's Yak.
- 59:04But you're gonna do very well and put yourself in a position to win a lot of football games.
- 59:14Agreed.
- 59:15Yeah.
- 59:15No.
- 59:15How about this defense, though?
- 59:18How about how about the special teams?
- 59:20Yeah.
- 59:20We haven't even talked about special teams yet.
- 59:22They're almost better.
- 59:23They they might be...
- 59:24So my...
- 59:25Going into week four, Miles Price is leading the NFL in in all purpose yards, return yards,
- 59:30offensive...
- 59:31Obviously, it's all from return yards.
- 59:32Now he's third behind Bishan Robinson and Kenneth Walker.
- 59:36That...
- 59:36That's pretty...
- 59:37They're...
- 59:37Those two guys are pretty good last time I heard.
- 59:39Yeah.
- 59:40That's per sources, though.
- 59:43Well, I mean, right now, you got the MVP of the league with Will Riker kicking field goals from
- 59:4917 blocks away from the stadium and and nailing them.
- 59:52So
- 59:53He was at the tailgate.
- 59:54We we saw him.
- 59:55He was...
- 59:55When he was warming up, he was at nine zero three Yep.
- 59:58Kicking from there, the...
- 1:00:00Every single one of them, through the uprights, and he had to attack them sideways.
- 1:00:03I don't know how he does it.
- 1:00:04Guy's amazing.
- 1:00:06Yeah.
- 1:00:06I know.
- 1:00:07I made him over the roof.
- 1:00:08Five for five on field goals.
- 1:00:1147, 50 yards, 31...
- 1:00:1333, 41, 29, 15 points all by himself.
- 1:00:18I mean, I I don't wanna speak too much on it.
- 1:00:21I told you guys before this, but, I mean, 30...
- 1:00:26Whatever.
- 1:00:28I'm gonna do it anyway.
- 1:00:29You guys can attack me later.
- 1:00:3031 consecutive field goals.
- 1:00:32Alright?
- 1:00:33The second longest streak in Vikings history behind Gary Anderson's 35.
- 1:00:39I'm knocking the wood for you.
- 1:00:40You said you didn't have wood around me.
- 1:00:41I I got you.
- 1:00:42I got you.
- 1:00:44So I love that he's got a little bit of swag, and this man's been trained for it.
- 1:00:48They were talking...
- 1:00:50And I...
- 1:00:50Actually, I think it was Brevi.
- 1:00:52It might have been your boy, Harmon, on their show where they were talking about, like, he
- 1:00:58used to do kicking camps, and, like, he's a robot.
- 1:01:01Right?
- 1:01:01He is a kicking robot.
- 1:01:03He's been trained to do this since he was a teenager.
- 1:01:06I love that he's got the little swag with the mellow kinda three against the head, and I love
- 1:01:12that, man.
- 1:01:12The guy kicked at one of the biggest schools in...
- 1:01:15The biggest school.
- 1:01:16Right?
- 1:01:17The biggest football school.
- 1:01:18A stadium fits what?
- 1:01:19Way of roll tide down there, 80,000 in that stadium.
- 1:01:22Like, you can't put enough...
- 1:01:25You can't put pressure on him, and that's pretty pretty incredible to have someone like
- 1:01:31that.
- 1:01:31And and the stats just keep on rolling.
- 1:01:33Right?
- 1:01:3380 plus percent over 50 yards.
- 1:01:36Right?
- 1:01:36Like, I'm serious.
- 1:01:37When I say you literally gotta get across the 50 and you're like, if we had to kick this, we
- 1:01:43would put him out there and give it a chance.
- 1:01:45Right?
- 1:01:45Like, if it was the last second to win the game and you had only gotten to the 45 and it's...
- 1:01:52We're either hail marrying it down into the end zone or we're kicking the field goal, I think
- 1:01:57you're kicking the 70 plus yarder
- 1:02:00Oh, yeah.
- 1:02:00And saying, hey, man.
- 1:02:01We trust our guy to get it done.
- 1:02:03You wouldn't go back to that flashback of, Kyler Murray.
- 1:02:07He's like, fuck it.
- 1:02:08Hopkins is down there somewhere.
- 1:02:10You know what I'm saying?
- 1:02:11Like...
- 1:02:12Yeah.
- 1:02:12No.
- 1:02:13I'm right there with you.
- 1:02:15I've...
- 1:02:15I've...
- 1:02:16I firmly believe that Will Reichard is becoming one of the most important players on this
- 1:02:21football team.
- 1:02:22We're not four and o without him.
- 1:02:23That's just facts.
- 1:02:24I know the interview I heard...
- 1:02:27I think he was on K fan yesterday or, you know, might have been after the game.
- 1:02:32They're talking to him, and he said that when he was going through the rookie stuff and
- 1:02:37everything, the Vikings coaching staff said that the ball sounded different.
- 1:02:42The pop on the ball when he was kicking sounded so different than any other kicker that they
- 1:02:48knew they needed him on the team.
- 1:02:51So it was something with his kicking.
- 1:02:53So props to them.
- 1:02:54They finally got something right out of the draft.
- 1:02:57Hey.
- 1:02:58Hey, man.
- 1:02:59You Dallas Turner.
- 1:03:00What?
- 1:03:00Did Dallas have all nine sacks now?
- 1:03:03What is he up to?
- 1:03:03Six?
- 1:03:04Seven?
- 1:03:05Five and a half.
- 1:03:05Half.
- 1:03:06Five
- 1:03:06Five and a half?
- 1:03:07Would he have three yesterday or Sunday?
- 1:03:10I think he had one.
- 1:03:12I was
- 1:03:12I think he had 10 Sunday.
- 1:03:16He's second in the NFL Regardless.
- 1:03:18Sacks.
- 1:03:18The the disruption that he causes, five and a half, Fig says.
- 1:03:22Yeah.
- 1:03:22It it feels like it could be double that, right, with the pressures and ones that have
- 1:03:26got away.
- 1:03:27Yeah.
- 1:03:28You know, what I what I saw that I love the most is the way that he played against Caleb
- 1:03:33Williams.
- 1:03:34The way that he was breaking down and not losing his contain and not going for the big
- 1:03:39hit, knowing the player, that's a sign of maturity out of a very young talented man, and,
- 1:03:45it...
- 1:03:45It's pretty insane, to watch him go out there.
- 1:03:48So five and a half through...
- 1:03:50So he's on pace for eighteen, nineteen sacks this year?
- 1:03:54Two sacks.
- 1:03:56You know, the pressures, that's cool, but let's...
- 1:03:59The three tackles, that's all cool too, but let's not forget that forced fumble.
- 1:04:04That was impressive.
- 1:04:05He pressured Willis from behind, knocked the ball loose.
- 1:04:08Blake Cashman comes up with the recovery that was initially ruled incomplete.
- 1:04:12We challenged it and won.
- 1:04:15It's He's coming up with plays all over the field.
- 1:04:19And not not only is Turner pressuring the court, which in my opinion, I think the first
- 1:04:24in pressures is more valuable than the the second in sacks because you're you're creating
- 1:04:27pressures for other people.
- 1:04:29So you're you're creating more than just what, you're actually getting as far as the sack
- 1:04:35total.
- 1:04:35He's got...
- 1:04:36He's leading the league in quick quarterback pressure, which is a pressure under two and a
- 1:04:39half seconds.
- 1:04:41And third place right behind him is Blake Cashman.
- 1:04:45Yeah.
- 1:04:45Yeah.
- 1:04:46It's it's insane.
- 1:04:47Breon Flores, if we're ever, like, in the same play...
- 1:04:51I'm on I'm on your side.
- 1:04:53Please don't do anything to me.
- 1:04:54Like, I'm scared of him.
- 1:04:55He's a he's a weirdo.
- 1:04:56He's a psychopath.
- 1:04:59Yeah.
- 1:05:00I mean, he had a great game too.
- 1:05:02Cashman, eight tackles, one QB hit.
- 1:05:04Like I've mentioned before, he got that fumble recovery.
- 1:05:07And, you know, this is just another example of what Brian Flores can create.
- 1:05:13It's not necessarily who's the star.
- 1:05:15It's who's going to make the play.
- 1:05:18You know?
- 1:05:19So this team is all about it.
- 1:05:22What you mentioned about Cashman is a product of what I was kind of alluding to earlier that
- 1:05:27this defensive line are doing their job this year.
- 1:05:31If they're not getting to the quarterback, they're soaking up the double teams with Big
- 1:05:34Citrus or it's Levi Drake Rodriguez or it's Jalen Redmond who's an absolute terror on that
- 1:05:40offensive line.
- 1:05:41And you have Caleb Banks who I think is just gonna continue to ascend as a player in this
- 1:05:47league that when you...
- 1:05:50When your front four are creating the pressure that they are, that when you send that extra
- 1:05:55linebacker or a a hitman off the edge or wherever it's coming from, it's getting home.
- 1:06:01It's no longer...
- 1:06:02Last year, we were sending that many guys and not getting home.
- 1:06:05And that's what kind of exposed this defense because you had these old ass dudes up front,
- 1:06:12and I can't even remember their names.
- 1:06:14I know they were good once, but they weren't good here.
- 1:06:16And, they they didn't do their job, which is to soak up the blockers so that your backers can
- 1:06:24get to the ball carrier and create that disruption.
- 1:06:27So it's Cool.
- 1:06:29Pretty
- 1:06:29And we're we're talking about Cashman, Turner, Van Gildengel, how can we overlook pace?
- 1:06:35You know?
- 1:06:35We got four linebackers that we have absolute confidence in, and he does it on special teams.
- 1:06:42He does it on on defense.
- 1:06:45You know, stars don't make the winning play.
- 1:06:47Sometimes it's the guy doing the dirty work.
- 1:06:50And like you said, the guys in the trenches taking on the double blocks, opening up lanes
- 1:06:55for these linebackers to just shoot on through.
- 1:06:58I mean, it's a it's a complementary defense that we're seeing.
- 1:07:03Let's, let's shift the conversation over to the game coming up here.
- 1:07:08We've been talking about a little bit in the chat.
- 1:07:10I've been with the guys over here almost as much as I've been with you guys on the screen,
- 1:07:14I feel like.
- 1:07:15But, you know, they they played last night.
- 1:07:17I didn't realize when the schedules came out that they were gonna be coming off a short
- 1:07:21week.
- 1:07:22I don't know how much difference that has, but it it makes a difference.
- 1:07:25Right?
- 1:07:25And, coach, you can maybe attest to an...
- 1:07:28One less day of rest and especially coming off a loss and kinda getting your ass handed to you
- 1:07:34on the ground like that from the defensive perspective.
- 1:07:37Does that have an effect, coach, kinda going into that next game without the extra day of
- 1:07:43recovery and...
- 1:07:45Which adjusts your practice schedule, I'm assuming as well?
- 1:07:48Yeah.
- 1:07:48It adjusts everything.
- 1:07:50The travel, you know, the walk throughs, the quick film sessions, you know, getting taped,
- 1:07:57everything.
- 1:07:58So, every day counts, honestly.
- 1:08:01Every day counts.
- 1:08:02You know, you can...
- 1:08:03I...
- 1:08:04Something as simple as a cold, head cold.
- 1:08:07You feel like trash one day, you wake up the next, and you're right back to it.
- 1:08:11It's that twenty four hours that can make all the difference.
- 1:08:16You know, we just saw them get absolutely torched, with the run game.
- 1:08:20Hopefully, that's a precursor to what we can do, but, you know, we do have those injuries,
- 1:08:27so we'll see.
- 1:08:28Never wanna overlook a football team because, like I said, we've been playing down a lot of
- 1:08:33competition.
- 1:08:34And the benefit that the saints have right now for this is that they were home Monday.
- 1:08:39They don't have to travel, so that's a plus for them.
- 1:08:42But, again, we're getting them off a short week, so they lose that extra day of practice
- 1:08:47like coach has saved.
- 1:08:49So
- 1:08:54Feels like a little bit advantage Vikings, which when the schedule come out, I had this
- 1:08:58one as, like, a tough game.
- 1:09:00Mhmm.
- 1:09:01That was kind of the deciding factor.
- 1:09:03I did not think this team was gonna be four and o.
- 1:09:05I thought it was, like, there was a 1% chance that we would be where we are right now without
- 1:09:10a loss in the column.
- 1:09:11I thought that either Green Bay or Chicago would get us and felt coin tosses on the other
- 1:09:17ones.
- 1:09:18Right?
- 1:09:18It felt like every game to this point was a coin toss, and you very rarely win four in a
- 1:09:22row, right, or or three out of four on that.
- 1:09:25So it's...
- 1:09:27It seems like this one now, it's not gonna be an easy game by any means.
- 1:09:30I think the Saint team is a lot better than, even Miami.
- 1:09:34I think you are gonna have to score touchdowns.
- 1:09:36You're gonna have to move the ball down the field.
- 1:09:38You can't continue to trot your defense out there, and you can't rely on holding the ball
- 1:09:43the entire fourth quarter to give them a blow at the end there.
- 1:09:47Selly, you're usually kind of our guy, digs into the other teams as well.
- 1:09:51What do you got for us on this saints team and, what we can kind of expect for Sunday?
- 1:09:59Yeah.
- 1:09:59Explosive offense with Kellen Moore, so you never know what to expect.
- 1:10:04The defense, though, the last couple weeks gave up 45 last night to the falcons, 31 to the
- 1:10:10lions on opening day, and then 35 to the raiders.
- 1:10:13So the defense has been leaking oil a little bit.
- 1:10:16So this might be another another chance for Kyler and the offense to finally get going.
- 1:10:21Like you said, Justin might be back.
- 1:10:23He decided to be back in his hometown.
- 1:10:25And plus, I think it's just a matchup made for the Vikings with Tyler Shuck.
- 1:10:31As much as I like him, he's still a young QB.
- 1:10:33Hasn't really played a full season yet going up going up against the defense.
- 1:10:38Blitzing, I think I saw something, like, 80% of the time, if...
- 1:10:42Which is...
- 1:10:42If it's true, it's kinda crazy.
- 1:10:44So I think this is a pretty good matchup for the Vikings this week.
- 1:10:49And, Brev, you you may know this right off the top of your head, but doesn't Brian Flores have
- 1:10:55some kind of insane record against rookie and and, like, first and second year QBs?
- 1:11:02Yeah.
- 1:11:03I don't know the exact record off the top of my head, but it it might be fair to call Brian
- 1:11:07Flores a little bit of inexperienced quarterback merchant.
- 1:11:11Not to say he can't shut down.
- 1:11:13Like, we saw him beat Jared Goff last year when our offense had negative total net passing
- 1:11:19yards.
- 1:11:20So, yeah, he's gonna be gunning after tire showers
- 1:11:24for sure.
- 1:11:24Vikings fans.
- 1:11:25I remember that one.
- 1:11:26That was awesome.
- 1:11:27That was great.
- 1:11:28That was really cool.
- 1:11:29Yeah.
- 1:11:30We're blitzing, I think, at 67.9% of snaps, which is still astonishingly high.
- 1:11:36It's still 20% higher than the next highest team.
- 1:11:39I was an idiot.
- 1:11:41I never claimed to be a smart guy, but I was an idiot.
- 1:11:44And I didn't look at New Orleans rushing defense before last night when they played
- 1:11:49Bijan.
- 1:11:50So right now, New Orleans rush defense looks like they might as well have trashing, traffic
- 1:11:55cones out on the field in terms of the advanced analytics and everything.
- 1:11:59But in terms of their passing defense, if you're looking at a week for the Vikings to go
- 1:12:04off, I don't think it it was as bad going into, as Miami's was going into week four.
- 1:12:09And a lot of people won't say it.
- 1:12:10I think Miami just played a fine game defensively too last week.
- 1:12:14They're making good plays all over the field that won't show up in the box score.
- 1:12:17But, I think the saints are allowing, like, the fourth highest EPA per pass attempt to opposing
- 1:12:23offenses right now, which is a good kind of all encompassing stat to to judge teams off of.
- 1:12:28Not that there's a great stat right now because we're still such a short sample size, but, it
- 1:12:33it is advantage Vikings.
- 1:12:34And for any betters out there, only one and a point favorites.
- 1:12:38And as Fig mentioned, this game very well could not be happening in New Orleans because there's
- 1:12:43a hurricane developing in The Gulf.
- 1:12:45Funnily enough, if you haven't seen it right now, it's named tropical depression nine.
- 1:12:50So that's kind of poetic.
- 1:12:53So if it develops into a tropical storm or hurricane, we might be out of New Orleans going
- 1:12:58to Jacksonville or something because I think they're in, Europe next week or the...
- 1:13:02This coming week.
- 1:13:03So it it could just be a weird one all around.
- 1:13:06Well, I just want this offense to continue to grow and to, you know, show, show the growth.
- 1:13:14Yep.
- 1:13:15But right now, we're riding our defense 12.8 points per game, number one in the NFL, just
- 1:13:23shy of 290 yards a game allowed, 50 in in the NFL, and we only allowed four touchdowns in
- 1:13:30four games.
- 1:13:31This defense isn't just simply good.
- 1:13:34It's legitimately carrying a championship level load.
- 1:13:39And it's just...
- 1:13:41We got dogs, but how long can they hold out?
- 1:13:45Like, our offense needs to get going here.
- 1:13:48No.
- 1:13:49And, you know, Selly kinda pointed to the stat.
- 1:13:52Is this the game now that you've seen...
- 1:13:55Like I said, and I, you know, texted our guy rap after the game as I was driving and kinda
- 1:14:00like, I've seen signs of life now.
- 1:14:03The pulse is weak, but we've seen...
- 1:14:05So, like, you you you finally saw the body take a breath on its own, and you're like, oh, oh,
- 1:14:10maybe this is what KOC's been seeing and and talking about in the film room and things that
- 1:14:15don't show up on Sunday that he felt confident, you know, turning to Kyler very early and not
- 1:14:21just nine sucking, but also having a guy that's been in the league, knows what he's looking at,
- 1:14:27and just needed time to get it going.
- 1:14:29I think a lot of us forget, and myself included in that, that, Kyler Murray didn't play a lot
- 1:14:34of football last year.
- 1:14:35Right?
- 1:14:36So he's probably knocking some rust off as well and finding his rhythm.
- 1:14:40And if we can continue to ascend and the offense continues to get better, there's
- 1:14:45nothing wrong with playing your best football in January.
- 1:14:49Yeah.
- 1:14:50You know, we gotta cut...
- 1:14:52We definitely have to cut down on the penalties.
- 1:14:5511 penalties for 85 yards, eight of those coming on offense.
- 1:14:59We gotta figure out our third and long game.
- 1:15:03We were six for seven on, third and short, o for seven on third and long, and that's a huge
- 1:15:14you know, because, I mean, if penalties are putting us behind the sticks, third and long, o
- 1:15:20and seven, I don't like that.
- 1:15:23Let's see.
- 1:15:24I I wanna bring up the, fact that, you know, you said, you know, this could be a winning
- 1:15:31formula in January.
- 1:15:33But if the Vikings fall behind, maybe they're twenty four and ten.
- 1:15:38And if they don't score...
- 1:15:41Like, I don't know.
- 1:15:42I feel like this offense is gonna have to score 28 points after the bye weeks to get through
- 1:15:48that, gap that we have.
- 1:15:53No doubt.
- 1:15:54No doubt.
- 1:15:55Well, we've been on for over an hour, fellas.
- 1:15:58Brev, I really appreciate you jumping on, man.
- 1:16:01You're always welcome here.
- 1:16:02Love your insights.
- 1:16:03Love reading you as often as I can and getting, you know, your takes on everything.
- 1:16:09I know it's a big job that you do to have to come up with new takes, losing JJ for the rest
- 1:16:16of the season.
- 1:16:17That's gotta be really hard on you writers.
- 1:16:19I wanna respect that.
- 1:16:21B, any kind of closing thoughts here?
- 1:16:24I know you're probably, like, the most down person in the room right now with this team,
- 1:16:30but I'm telling you, I I think you have reasons to to feel okay.
- 1:16:35No.
- 1:16:35I mean, four and o is definitely okay.
- 1:16:38You know, you know, the the scoring on the offensive side, it is hard to choke down some.
- 1:16:46But, again, that fourth quarter, the last drive shows a promise.
- 1:16:52If they keep growing...
- 1:16:53Just like we said at the beginning of this year, the defense has to grow on what they did
- 1:16:57last year.
- 1:16:57They they came on.
- 1:16:58They won the last four or five games.
- 1:17:01They need to keep going.
- 1:17:03That's what the office needs to do.
- 1:17:04Kyle Murray needs to keep improving.
- 1:17:06Danny didn't play much last year.
- 1:17:09So, hopefully, that fourth quarter was a sign that it's finally clicking for him, and we get
- 1:17:14to move forward against the saves, get the bye week to work on it more, and we come out
- 1:17:20against the lines at division game.
- 1:17:22And we show them that we are a complete team, that we're not a joke at four and o five and o
- 1:17:27four and...
- 1:17:27Well, whatever we do when we come out of that bye week.
- 1:17:32Coach?
- 1:17:34Yep.
- 1:17:34Alright, fellas.
- 1:17:35I gotta get going, but I just wanted to say thank you, for Sally and, Brevi for joining us.
- 1:17:43It's always a great time, man.
- 1:17:45You guys have a great rest of your night.
- 1:17:47Hey.
- 1:17:48Shout out to the gophers, man.
- 1:17:49Huge win last weekend.
- 1:17:51A couple of them in a row.
- 1:17:53Let's let's make some noise up there in Minnesota for those golden gophers.
- 1:17:57Yes, sir.
- 1:17:58Yes, sir.
- 1:17:59Mhmm.
- 1:17:59Later.
- 1:18:01See you, coach.
- 1:18:03Selly, excited about tomorrow.
- 1:18:05We get to talk some NBA.
- 1:18:08We got our new show, the rim report.
- 1:18:10We're gonna do every Wednesday at 7PM central, 08:00 for you East Coast guys out there.
- 1:18:16Brev is out on the East Coast with you too, Sully.
- 1:18:18I don't know as the crow flies how far you guys are.
- 1:18:20Where are you at?
- 1:18:21West Virginia, Brev?
- 1:18:23Virginia, like, thirty minutes west of Richmond.
- 1:18:28Yeah.
- 1:18:28It's not too far away from me, honestly.
- 1:18:31Where where
- 1:18:32are you at?
- 1:18:33I'm in Jersey.
- 1:18:35Oh, okay.
- 1:18:35Yeah.
- 1:18:36Like a five hour drive maybe.
- 1:18:38Yeah.
- 1:18:38Yep.
- 1:18:39Barbara tapped in with us for the basketball show on Wednesday.
- 1:18:43We had some goat discussions of which there's, of course, no discussion whatsoever.
- 1:18:47It's MJ all day.
- 1:18:50Right.
- 1:18:50It's a great time.
- 1:18:51So you guys, if you're wanna talk some basketball with us, NBA season starting to get
- 1:18:56going.
- 1:18:57WNBA playoffs are in the thick of it right now.
- 1:19:00Come talk some ball with us.
- 1:19:01That's gonna be a lot of fun on Wednesday nights.
- 1:19:03And then I'm gonna get a hockey show up and running here in the next few weeks.
- 1:19:08Kinda looking for a cohost that that can kinda be my my eyes and ears because I can't watch
- 1:19:14everything and do it all.
- 1:19:16But we we got some great stuff coming.
- 1:19:18We had a great time at the pregame show from the Vikings World Order Tailgate.
- 1:19:24That was an awesome time.
- 1:19:25If you guys are ever coming up for a game, come and see us at 903 Washington Avenue South.
- 1:19:30That's Fathead Bills.
- 1:19:31They always got players there signing autographs.
- 1:19:34This last weekend, it was Dante and Sean Sean Simi.
- 1:19:38I can't even remember, man.
- 1:19:39Salisbury.
- 1:19:41Salisbury.
- 1:19:42Oh, I was so busy setting up the tent and all that shit.
- 1:19:44And I was like, man, I really...
- 1:19:46Yeah.
- 1:19:47I owe Paul a bigger thank you than I gave him for having all that stuff ready to go the week
- 1:19:52before or, you know, the the prior game because it was a lot.
- 1:19:56But we're gonna get it figured out.
- 1:19:57I know we had some connection issues, but we're having a great time doing that.
- 1:20:01They're really loving the vibe that we're bringing to that as well.
- 1:20:04So it's been a lot of fun, and there's big things on the horizon with with this network
- 1:20:10and this program.
- 1:20:11We appreciate you, Barbara and Angelo.
- 1:20:14Fig, you guys tapping in with us all the time.
- 1:20:16Tuey, Ben in here with Chevy.
- 1:20:19You know what, Frozen?
- 1:20:21You guys, I appreciate you.
- 1:20:22You know what?
- 1:20:23Even Steve, Packer fan Steve drops in once in a while, and we don't hate on him too bad,
- 1:20:28especially when we're kicking their ass all over.
- 1:20:30So it doesn't bother me whatsoever.
- 1:20:33Brev, tell the people where they can find you, and we'll let you get out of here, bud.
- 1:20:38Yeah.
- 1:20:38I guess I post the most in terms of my takes on, Twitter at Brevvy Bright Lights or at
- 1:20:44Brevman Bain.
- 1:20:46I go by Brevvy Bright Lights on there.
- 1:20:48And then, YouTube, social network, and then heavy sports, heavy on Vikings by my
- 1:20:52government, Brev and Bain.
- 1:20:55Awesome, man.
- 1:20:56Great stuff, Brev.
- 1:20:57Appreciate you tapping in with us, buddy.
- 1:20:59We'll get you on next time.
- 1:21:00Selly, I will see you tomorrow.
- 1:21:02Bee has rank them and beyond the bell.
- 1:21:05Tell everybody the schedule for those shows because I don't keep up with you guys like
- 1:21:09Rank them will be tomorrow morning, 9AM is the time to meet at Tim.
- 1:21:15Recap of week five NFL season.
- 1:21:21And then beyond the belt, just be captain wrestling on Thursday nights around 08:00.
- 1:21:28So come and check those shows out.
- 1:21:31Yeah.
- 1:21:32If you're a professional wrestling fan, come check out beyond the bell with our guys, and,
- 1:21:38it's gonna be a a great time.
- 1:21:40Love you guys, man.
- 1:21:42Had a great time tonight, Brev.
- 1:21:43Appreciate you, Selly.
- 1:21:44As always, we'll chat ball tomorrow.
- 1:21:46You guys have a great night.
- 1:21:47We'll see you on Sunday for the pregame show when the Vikings take on the Saints.
- 1:21:53Be good to one another.
- 1:21:55Peace.