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Patriots Unfiltered at the Combine 3/1: Day 2 News and Notes, Spotlight on DL/LB Prospects · Patriots Unfiltered

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Speaker 1: From the twenty twenty three NFL Combine. This is Patriots Unfiltered.
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Speaker 1: What's up everybody, It's a very special edition episode one
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Speaker 1: I guess of Patriots Unfiltered at the Combine. It's Mike
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Speaker 1: do So, It's Evan Lazar, no Paul, no Fred, not
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Speaker 1: your usual PU crew, just us the nerds who love
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Speaker 1: the combine and are digging into the prospects. So day
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Speaker 1: one here today, this a little bit of a longer podcast,
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Speaker 1: so we can chat talk about the prospects of Let's
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Speaker 1: just start off at the top. I mean, I feel
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Speaker 1: like we got to talk about the big news of
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Speaker 1: the day with Jalen Carter, which is certainly going to
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Speaker 1: affect things for the Patriots at fourteenth. Overall, this has
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Speaker 1: a domino effect on the entire draft, and we talked
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Speaker 1: about it in our little debrief that we do as well.
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Speaker 1: But you look at the Patriots now at fourteen, how
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Speaker 1: does this shake up one through thirteen is going to
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Speaker 1: be something that we're probably going to talk about with
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Speaker 1: this story, as awful as what actually happened, is, there
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Speaker 1: is a football element to it. And if Jalen Carter
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Speaker 1: is now out of the first round, mix because of
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Speaker 1: this situation, then it has a trickle down effect on
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Speaker 1: the Patriots. That's just the reality. And I think if
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Speaker 1: you really look in the top five, a team like
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Speaker 1: the Chicago Bears picking number one overall, now Will Anderson,
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Speaker 1: you have to come away with Will Anderson, Like there's
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Speaker 1: no way if you're not going to draft a quarterback
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Speaker 1: and you're sticking with Justin Fields, then you have to
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Speaker 1: come away with Will Anderson. So now you're really talking
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Speaker 1: about three being the floor for Chicago. You can't go
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Speaker 1: down to four because now you're missing out on the
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Speaker 1: best non quarterback in the draft. So it's going to
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Speaker 1: be a very interesting change up to some of the
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Speaker 1: mock drafts and things like that. Now, if Jaylen Carter's
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Speaker 1: out of the picture, how does it shake up one
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Speaker 1: through five and then have a trickle down effect on
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Speaker 1: the rest of the draft. Yeah, it still felt to
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Speaker 1: me like there's going to be some kind of trickle
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Speaker 1: down effect even when he was in the mix, because
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Speaker 1: it's just I mean, we look at these groups today
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Speaker 1: and we can talk about, you know, how much of
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Speaker 1: the need is edge and you know, I know it's
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Speaker 1: it's a little bit nebulous how they play you look
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Speaker 1: at Matthew Judona is an outside linebacker, and then you
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Speaker 1: kind of look at teatrich Wise on the other side,
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Speaker 1: you know, when he's more of a and down guys
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Speaker 1: just how they play. Not the biggest need ouch Anthony Jennings.
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Speaker 1: We got pay Ronnie Perkins on the roster. Still, we
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Speaker 1: had to look that one up. Never gonna know for sure,
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Speaker 1: but it seems like they have pretty good depth. I
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Speaker 1: still find it intriguing just to look at these guys
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Speaker 1: because these are the playmakers. These are the guys on
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Speaker 1: defense that you have to game plan for. And you know,
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Speaker 1: maybe if there is a day late, day two, day
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Speaker 1: three kind of project guy that projects, well, maybe maybe
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Speaker 1: they do take a chance. But it doesn't seem like
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Speaker 1: the biggest need right now. This is a reality of
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Speaker 1: their situation where they have so many immediate holes on
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Speaker 1: the roster that these year too early needs are not
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Speaker 1: needs that they can prioritize anymore. At the top of
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Speaker 1: the draft. I think a few years ago and maybe
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Speaker 1: this unfortunately, being frank about it, I think once upon
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Speaker 1: a time they were very good at being out in
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Speaker 1: front of these types of situations, but now they almost
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Speaker 1: don't have that benefit because unfortunately they are in a
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Speaker 1: position where they have some immediate holes tackle receiver, corner,
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Speaker 1: outside corner. Certainly, I think come first before edge. Now,
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Speaker 1: next offseason, we have a real conversation about whether or
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Speaker 1: not they are going to pony up for josh Ucha,
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Speaker 1: and I think a lot of Ucha's numbers similar to
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Speaker 1: a guy like jac Jackson, for example, maybe the team
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Speaker 1: might view as a little bit inflated by June On
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Speaker 1: getting extra attention score right late in games and he's
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Speaker 1: pinning his ears back because they're up against Arizona and
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Speaker 1: he ends up blogging two sacks late in the game.
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Speaker 1: Like those types of things, they are going to look
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Speaker 1: at in terms of his value and are they going
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Speaker 1: to pay a player that has not developed in the
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Speaker 1: run game really just a passing down to player and
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Speaker 1: josh Uch are they going to pay him? So in reality,
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Speaker 1: it's probably not a need that they can addressed early.
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Speaker 1: But if it's best player available and they're on the
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Speaker 1: clock at fourteen and Tyree Wilson from Texas Tech is
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Speaker 1: still sitting there for some reason, it's gonna be a
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Speaker 1: conversation that we're gonna have. That's a great guy you
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Speaker 1: brought up In was somebody that I listened to a
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Speaker 1: lot today and just had something about him to me.
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Speaker 1: You know that just sometimes you see these guys and
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Speaker 1: I you know, and probably a lot of times I'm
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Speaker 1: wrong on these kind of things, but you know, some
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Speaker 1: guys just give you a vibe of like, this guy
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Speaker 1: is a serious, serious football player. A Keyon White was
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Speaker 1: another one that I just kind of listened to. I know,
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Speaker 1: we've had some discussions about him. I think was it
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Speaker 1: Daniel Jeremiah believe like named him as one of the fits,
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Speaker 1: which I was kind of, you know, Patriots fit, wasn't
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Speaker 1: you know, not a guy that jumped out to me initially,
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Speaker 1: but once you kind of hear him talk though, you
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Speaker 1: see them, you get a sense to them. I'm like,
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Speaker 1: I could kind of see these guys fit into the
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Speaker 1: locker room. But both of them probably gone before the
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Speaker 1: Patriots are going to invest in a pick on that position. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: Tyree Wilson should be a top ten pick. But I
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Speaker 1: think the one thing that you look at with him,
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Speaker 1: he's one of the most physically strong, like just Alpha's
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Speaker 1: in this draft. He made handles guys at the point
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Speaker 1: of attack. But the issue, I think what you see
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Speaker 1: with him is that he's not an overly bendy edge rusher.
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Speaker 1: He doesn't have great flexibility gray Ben to turn a
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Speaker 1: tight corner. And when you project to the league nowadays,
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Speaker 1: the guys that are putting up great numbers in the
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Speaker 1: pass rushing statistics are the UJA types that are just
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Speaker 1: these screamers off the edge that have great flexibility turn
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Speaker 1: that tight corner and get the quarterback. Guys that have
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Speaker 1: to go through tackles are not necessarily as easily projectable
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Speaker 1: into the NFL. So if that's the way the league
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Speaker 1: sees it as well, then maybe he could slip down
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Speaker 1: just a little bit. He mentioned I didn't see it
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Speaker 1: with him. I did watch his film before we got here,
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Speaker 1: and I saw a really well rounded, solid football player.
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Speaker 1: But I think if you're drafting in the top fifty,
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Speaker 1: I would like a little bit more upside. I think
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Speaker 1: he would be a good pro for them on his
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Speaker 1: rookie contract, but I don't know if he's a game
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Speaker 1: changing player, kind of like what I think they were
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Speaker 1: hoping they were going to get out of Jennings. You know,
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Speaker 1: j was sort of the upside, right, and Jennings was
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Speaker 1: sort of just the steady Eddie, I kind of look
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Speaker 1: at White like that. Yeah, it makes sense, you know.
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Speaker 1: So just to run down with a few guys, I mean,
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Speaker 1: they just rattled them off here quick today. Defensive lineman,
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Speaker 1: line backers, then defensive lineman as well. You know a
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Speaker 1: couple of guys. Just to highlight, we talked to a
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Speaker 1: lot of the Shrine Bowl guys, you know, guys who
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Speaker 1: really appreciated that experience with the Patriots coaches. Brenton Cox
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Speaker 1: from Florida being one of those guys in a famous
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Speaker 1: picture of you know, Bill showing him a little bit
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Speaker 1: about hand placement. Um. You know another guy that that
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Speaker 1: I thought really uh, you know, kind of stood out
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Speaker 1: to me was Isaiah Moore. I was a Shrine Bowl guy,
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Speaker 1: but just he seemed like and it was it was
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Speaker 1: one that had slipped through the cracks as far as like,
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Speaker 1: oh shoot, why are all the Patriots reporters standing over
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Speaker 1: that guy? And they're like, oh, I oh, he was
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Speaker 1: in the Shrine Bowl. But he went into a little
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Speaker 1: bit more detail, very complimentary of Brian Belichick. Um, you know,
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Speaker 1: just overall, everybody seemed to take a lot from the
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Speaker 1: Patriot coaching staff in Las Vegas, with the Shrine Bowl,
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Speaker 1: there was a couple of guys like Isaiah Moore. I
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Speaker 1: really liked Tyrius Wheat, who we spoke to a little
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Speaker 1: bit too. I think Wheat is more of an on
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Speaker 1: the line player edge defender than an off ball linebacker.
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Speaker 1: Pretty serious too. More Moore is going to be an
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Speaker 1: off ball linebacker. I think with Wheat, when we were
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Speaker 1: talking to him, I tried to ask him a couple
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Speaker 1: of different questions in a couple different ways. I think
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Speaker 1: he knows the Patriots like him a little bit, and
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Speaker 1: I don't think he really wanted to burn that bridge
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Speaker 1: by going out in the media and saying, yeah, the
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Speaker 1: Patriots love me, huh. You know. I think that there
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Speaker 1: there is some a little bit of lip service there.
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Speaker 1: But with More he wasn't somebody that initially stood out
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Speaker 1: to me at Shrine Bowl practice watching practices live. But
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Speaker 1: when I watched some of the drills back after practice,
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Speaker 1: because I had they hyped him up during the game broadcast,
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Speaker 1: and I was like, really, like, this is a guy
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Speaker 1: that they really thought stood out like I didn't see it,
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Speaker 1: and neither did Alex Barth. And then I went back
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Speaker 1: and watched I was like, all right, yeah, I can
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Speaker 1: see how they can see that sort of positionally sound.
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Speaker 1: He's in the right spots and against the run gap,
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Speaker 1: sound player that can come downhill and take on blocks
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Speaker 1: and do the Patriot thing. But we're gonna talk about
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Speaker 1: it a little bit. I think when we get to
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Speaker 1: some of the bigger name linebackers in this draft, at
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Speaker 1: some point in time, they do need to evolve a
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Speaker 1: little bit at that spot. And Isaiah Moore's you know,
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Speaker 1: I like him. I liked Anthony Orgy from Vanderbilt that
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Speaker 1: we hyped up a little bit during Shrine Bowl week.
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Speaker 1: Those guys are good players, I think for what they
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Speaker 1: would normally want. But at one point in time, does
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Speaker 1: what they normally want become a thing of the past.
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Speaker 1: I think that's an honest conversation. It is a good question,
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Speaker 1: and it's you know, and they're kind of I don't
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Speaker 1: want to say they're stocked right now with strong safety
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Speaker 1: because obviously have Kyle Dugger coming to the end, and
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Speaker 1: Adrian Phillips is now thirty, and you know, I saw
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Speaker 1: his role evolve a little bit this year. We know
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Speaker 1: we're still waiting on Devin mccordy. I mean, I take
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Speaker 1: Jibril Pepper's back. He plays with a bad attitude, and
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Speaker 1: I just like that aggressively all of you know, a
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Speaker 1: little bit over the top, like whoa whoa hold on
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Speaker 1: Jibral Really like him. But it's a great question. And
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Speaker 1: I mean I was curious just to kind of hear
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Speaker 1: Drew Sanders today. He was one that said, you know,
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Speaker 1: he has played inside outside, but said I think I'm
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Speaker 1: more of an inside guy. I just I just wonder
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Speaker 1: if they're going to pull the trigger on a guy
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Speaker 1: like that. When you got Bentley back for a year,
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Speaker 1: it seems like they could probably have Bentley back for
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Speaker 1: a few years if they wanted to even extend him further.
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Speaker 1: After resigning him to a two year deal last year,
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Speaker 1: Ni Tavai signs a multi year deal with them, they
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Speaker 1: clearly have some plans for him as well. Both of
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Speaker 1: them kind of fit the old mold. But I between
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Speaker 1: Drew Sanders is one and then the other is Trent
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Speaker 1: and Simpson. I feel like those are kind of the
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Speaker 1: first round off the ball potential guys. Not a great
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Speaker 1: draft class, but yeah, what you've seen from those guys,
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Speaker 1: so I didn't love what I saw from Simpson. I
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Speaker 1: think that Simpson to me, is a more linear athlete
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Speaker 1: that didn't have great change of direction from what I
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Speaker 1: could see, and more of just that straight line thumper
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Speaker 1: that I think has some Nick Bolton from Kansas City
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Speaker 1: in him, which I know is a big name right
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Speaker 1: now from the Super Bowl. So I think he's got
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Speaker 1: that type of build, you know, kind of more of
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Speaker 1: a stocky guy, and then he's got this great explosive
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Speaker 1: straight line speed. Sanders really intrigues me because at Arkansas
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Speaker 1: they lined him up in all three locations that the
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Speaker 1: Patriots love to use linebackers in line, over the guards,
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Speaker 1: edge off the ball right, kind of that Kyle van
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Speaker 1: Noy type of role where they move him around and
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Speaker 1: have different goals to get him after the quarterback or
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Speaker 1: drop or whatever the case may be. And he also
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Speaker 1: served a lot in the middle of the field as
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Speaker 1: a spy or even just like in a low zone
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Speaker 1: but with eyes on the quarterback. And against Alabama he
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Speaker 1: had quite a few, I want to say two or
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Speaker 1: three times came streaking across the field and tackled Bryce
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Speaker 1: Young on scrambles and when that happened, there's one in
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Speaker 1: particular where I think he actually got a sack technically
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Speaker 1: in the box scorers like one of those half yard sacks,
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Speaker 1: and but it was an it went, you know, middle
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Speaker 1: of the field all the way out to the sideline
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Speaker 1: and he's able to beat him to the corner and
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Speaker 1: get Bryce Young on the ground. Those types of players,
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Speaker 1: I think you look at them and you say, all right,
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Speaker 1: you know, that's something that they could potentially use. And
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Speaker 1: the one other guy who had mentioned other than those two,
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Speaker 1: Jack Campbell, from he to me is not necessarily the
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Speaker 1: freak athlete that people might want at that spot. But instinctually,
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Speaker 1: this is a really instinctual player, Like he understands what
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Speaker 1: he's looking at. He understands alignments and splits and formations
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Speaker 1: and how to pre snap diagnose what defense or excuse me,
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Speaker 1: offenses or maybe doing. And he had a great play
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Speaker 1: against Ohio stated and coverage where he took a slant
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Speaker 1: away over the middle of the field for CJ. Strade
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Speaker 1: to hold the ball and they ended up getting a
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Speaker 1: strip sack because Stroud had nowhere to go with the football. Like,
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Speaker 1: those are the types of players that you see with
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Speaker 1: him on film. I think he might take some people
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Speaker 1: by surprise with his athleticism maybe not in the forty,
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Speaker 1: but if he runs the agility drills, I think he's
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Speaker 1: going to test really well in that three cone. We
11:34
Speaker 1: know that they love shuttle the three cone stuff like that. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: he caught my attention today and again, you know, player,
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Speaker 1: it kind of like you know, reviewed and didn't really
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Speaker 1: initially like star room or anything, but just listen to
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Speaker 1: him and talking. You know, you brought it up. He
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Speaker 1: was kind of describing what he's expecting in the NFL
11:48
Speaker 1: in terms of, you know, I might have to one
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Speaker 1: play tackle Nick Chubb and then the next play I'm
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Speaker 1: dropping in coverage and I'm on Tyreek Hill. You know,
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Speaker 1: just explaining all the different things that a player like
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Speaker 1: him could possibly do for a defense. So, you know,
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Speaker 1: I underlined some guys today. He was one of them.
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Speaker 1: Go back, take a look at them. See you know,
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Speaker 1: is there something there? But you just laid it out
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Speaker 1: really well. All podium team, he's up there. I think
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Speaker 1: Nolan Smith from Georgia too is another all talk about him.
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Speaker 1: I know. Well, so he gave a long one. There
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Speaker 1: were some tears, very well spoken. Yeah, I mean I
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Speaker 1: think my thing with him, you can tell me what
12:22
Speaker 1: you think he felt like. He was light like. It's
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Speaker 1: just I didn't know how we fit into the Patriot system.
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Speaker 1: And you know, for an edge player, it's hard to
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Speaker 1: see him whatever he is to twenty in that range
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Speaker 1: being an edge player for them, maybe an off the
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Speaker 1: ball guy. But he had a lot to say today,
12:34
Speaker 1: so I kind of felt like I was listening to
12:35
Speaker 1: Matthew Slater for a minute. He had that added he's
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Speaker 1: a statesman right like he was. He owned the room.
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Speaker 1: People were gravitating towards his podium because they could just
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Speaker 1: hear the fire that he was talking with. And he
12:47
Speaker 1: was just a very well spoken, very motivated, passionate type
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Speaker 1: of football player. You can tell he loves football and
12:54
Speaker 1: he just wants to be good at it and wants
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Speaker 1: to work hard at it. I agree with you that
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Speaker 1: he's a little bit of a of an anomaly, like
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Speaker 1: a tweeter, you know, almost where he played a lot
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Speaker 1: at Georgia with his hand in the dirt, and I
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Speaker 1: don't think he's gonna be heavy enough to play hand
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Speaker 1: in the dirt role in the NFL. But the one
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Speaker 1: thing that you can definitely say about him really good
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Speaker 1: first step off the ball certainly can fire into gaps
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Speaker 1: or fire around the edge. And he's just one of
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Speaker 1: those guys that is like slithery, Like it's just hard
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Speaker 1: to block him sometimes, you know, like you just you're
13:27
Speaker 1: kind of like, how did he get through? But he
13:29
Speaker 1: like sort of does get through. So he's one of
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Speaker 1: those instinctive, like nose for the football kind of guys. So,
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Speaker 1: just a good football player. And I always wonder why
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Speaker 1: they don't draft more from the Georgia defense. A because
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Speaker 1: it's an awesome defense the top twelve, but B because
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Speaker 1: they do run a Sabin Belichick style system. That's what
13:50
Speaker 1: and that's what he talked about. I heard him saying,
13:51
Speaker 1: you know, we're very much about team defense. They are,
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Speaker 1: and I mean we saw it last year, you know
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Speaker 1: with the top pick overall, I'm blank on his name,
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Speaker 1: and um, you know with Todaville or a yeah who
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Speaker 1: you know didn't really have a position Walker, Thank you,
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Speaker 1: Travon Walker. Yeah, um, you know, so it's it's interesting.
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Speaker 1: One more guy I wanted to bring up to you
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Speaker 1: have because we were both standing around and was Ivan Pace. Um.
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Speaker 1: I just thought he was an interesting guy. Um, you know,
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Speaker 1: people question him about his you know, we sized to
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Speaker 1: take on guards and he's, you know, just talking about
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Speaker 1: running right through guys. I don't know what's there, but
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Speaker 1: he just seemed like kind of an interesting guy here talk.
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Speaker 1: So there was a rep at the Senior Bowl. I
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Speaker 1: actually asked him about it during the game where he
14:25
Speaker 1: went right through the guard and it was almost like
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Speaker 1: a butt fumble because he hit the guard into the
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Speaker 1: running back and the running back fell with the ball
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Speaker 1: in his hands, like he tackled the running back through
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Speaker 1: the guard. He like threw the guard back into it.
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Speaker 1: And I just remember watching that and I was like, whoa,
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Speaker 1: all right, that's some serious play strength. And the guard
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Speaker 1: that he tossed was Osireus Torrence, Who's gonna be a
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Speaker 1: first round round first round parting. So this isn't about
14:51
Speaker 1: like some u DFA right, like this is a really good,
14:54
Speaker 1: uh sometimes consensus interior offensive lineman one in this track
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Speaker 1: that he's just throwing like a rag doll. So I
15:03
Speaker 1: think that there's definitely something there, And we talked about
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Speaker 1: maybe edge linebacker being a position further down the board
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Speaker 1: for them. I think pace could be like a fourth
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Speaker 1: round guy that they could get their hands on on
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Speaker 1: Day three special teams. Madman, Right, that's exactly what they need.
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Speaker 1: A lot of good stuff there. Last thing I kind
15:20
Speaker 1: of want to bring up here just in terms of
15:22
Speaker 1: this position group, and again it's you know, probably not
15:25
Speaker 1: the most interesting day. I think the next three days
15:26
Speaker 1: are going to be really fascinating for us positions, right exactly,
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Speaker 1: Jake Moody, I mean, we gotta get in on that.
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Speaker 1: But um, it's just I feel like this is a
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Speaker 1: pretty good Day three, late Day two kind of nose
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Speaker 1: tackle class and you know, not the sexiest position, but
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Speaker 1: it's certainly one that the Patriots need. You've seen Carl
15:42
Speaker 1: Davis do you know, pretty good job. We had some
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Speaker 1: inconsistency in terms of penalties, jumping off side a couple
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Speaker 1: of times, I know, in some big moments, but I
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Speaker 1: mean I think he's been a pretty solid player. But
15:52
Speaker 1: you know, you mentioned PJ. Mustafer was one that we
15:54
Speaker 1: mentioned on the wrap up as a good one. I mean,
15:57
Speaker 1: you know, I'm not sure where exactly Coastal Carolina and
16:00
Speaker 1: Brighton's own guy is gonna land here with Rod Clark
16:04
Speaker 1: quite talked to him, was great and was a big
16:05
Speaker 1: Patriots fan. Um, those are just two to mention. I mean,
16:08
Speaker 1: there's there's also the other thing that always confused me, Evan.
16:10
Speaker 1: I don't know about you with this, um, but there's
16:12
Speaker 1: like a couple of guys that all have the same name.
16:14
Speaker 1: There's like two three different guys that have the same name.
16:16
Speaker 1: But I think there's like Byron Youngs. There's like two
16:18
Speaker 1: Byron Youngs and once from Tennessee, once from Alice. I
16:22
Speaker 1: like them both though. Yeah, yeah, there's two Byron Youngs.
16:25
Speaker 1: So the other guy that I would mentioned, uh, I
16:27
Speaker 1: think it's Ica. Is how you pronounced that you might
16:30
Speaker 1: have the I got. I got pronunciations here, um uh
16:34
Speaker 1: from now I'm biking on the school of course, but
16:38
Speaker 1: he's more I'll find it. So the guy that I
16:41
Speaker 1: see in his game is kind of Danny Shelton esque.
16:45
Speaker 1: Where remember when the Patriots originally got Danny Yeah poo yeah, yeah,
16:51
Speaker 1: Remember where's he go to school again? Baylor, Baylor. Yeah,
16:55
Speaker 1: that's him. Uh. When they got Danny Shelton, they thought
16:58
Speaker 1: he was a three to four two gapping nose tackles
17:02
Speaker 1: and he's a guy. And I remember Bill Belichick talking
17:05
Speaker 1: about that that they they had it wrong the first
17:08
Speaker 1: year and then he came back. Remember, Shelton had a
17:10
Speaker 1: really good second season with the Patriots, and I look
17:13
Speaker 1: at I look at the Baylor kids as a very
17:15
Speaker 1: similar type of player, where this is a three hundred
17:18
Speaker 1: and sixty pound dude, but he's an up the field player.
17:22
Speaker 1: He's not a hold the point of attack type of players.
17:24
Speaker 1: So I think it's really interesting because the league is
17:28
Speaker 1: certainly trending away from nose tackles like three four two
17:31
Speaker 1: gapping nose tackles is really a thing of the past,
17:34
Speaker 1: except for a handful of three four teams that still
17:37
Speaker 1: play those odd fronts and need that guy to eat
17:39
Speaker 1: stuff in the middle of The Patriots are still one
17:42
Speaker 1: of those teams, like they really are, So we'll see
17:45
Speaker 1: what happens. I mean, I think this comes back to
17:47
Speaker 1: the linebacker thing too, though at some point I don't
17:51
Speaker 1: necessarily need to go to a four to three, but
17:53
Speaker 1: a more attacking three four might be where the league
17:56
Speaker 1: as a whole is trending for those odd front teams
17:59
Speaker 1: just because you got to be able to get after
18:01
Speaker 1: the quarterback and you have to be able to stop
18:02
Speaker 1: the pass and it's not about gap control and you know,
18:06
Speaker 1: integrity and all that kind of stuff as much anymore.
18:09
Speaker 1: So maybe he's somebody that is a little bit of both, right,
18:12
Speaker 1: you can still do a little bit of both of those.
18:14
Speaker 1: I think it's tough with those two gaps too, because
18:16
Speaker 1: early downs, I just feel like you're not likely to
18:18
Speaker 1: get pressure up the middle, and it's most likely if
18:20
Speaker 1: a team wants to throw anyone first down and you
18:22
Speaker 1: got your base defense out there with those tackle they're
18:24
Speaker 1: gonna have a pocket to work without it, you know,
18:26
Speaker 1: and then the quick passing game just kills you. I
18:29
Speaker 1: don't know. We always wonder what kind of scheme evolution
18:31
Speaker 1: is going to happen. We're talking here, linebackers, speedy linebackers,
18:34
Speaker 1: penetrating defensive tackle. We're gonna happen, I remember, gonna happen.
18:37
Speaker 1: They're probably gonna stick to what usually works for them.
18:40
Speaker 1: Anything else that I missed today worth pointing out guys
18:44
Speaker 1: that we didn't mention again. You know, it's just one
18:47
Speaker 1: of those tough couple of spots where you don't know
18:50
Speaker 1: what they need and you're not quite sure, Yeah, you're
18:52
Speaker 1: going to tap any of these in the first two days.
18:54
Speaker 1: I don't know if you're going here yet. But the
18:56
Speaker 1: edge defenders, we did ask a bunch of the edge
18:58
Speaker 1: rushers about who were the toughest tackles that you faced.
19:02
Speaker 1: So I actually asked Will Anderson, who might now be
19:05
Speaker 1: the number one pick in the draft, and I asked him,
19:08
Speaker 1: who's the toughest tackle that you faced last year? And
19:10
Speaker 1: he mentioned Darnell right from Tennessee, and he had Darnell
19:14
Speaker 1: Wright had a fantastic game against Will basically shut out
19:17
Speaker 1: Will Anderson the number one pick in the draft, and
19:20
Speaker 1: every single step along the way with Darnell Wright, whenever
19:23
Speaker 1: he plays top competition, Will Anderson, Clemson's guys, you know,
19:29
Speaker 1: just Senior Bowl, he just dominated. He dominated good competition.
19:33
Speaker 1: He's not the most consistent or a fine player quite yet,
19:37
Speaker 1: but whenever the lights were brightest that he played lights out.
19:41
Speaker 1: And he's a right tackle three forty five three forty
19:45
Speaker 1: see what he weighs in here, But he's that Patriot
19:49
Speaker 1: bulldozer on the right side, right like that's him and
19:52
Speaker 1: on Winnie on the same side of the line. They
19:55
Speaker 1: will push people off the ball with ease in short
19:58
Speaker 1: yard situations. Well, I mean, what we're kind of looking
20:00
Speaker 1: for is the Sebastian volomer, and we've been spending some
20:02
Speaker 1: time here. Sebastian Volmer has been working with talking some
20:04
Speaker 1: seventies protections. He's given us a little insight, but he's
20:08
Speaker 1: been doing a lot of work for for the Germany
20:09
Speaker 1: game that's going to be this fall and and all that.
20:11
Speaker 1: So it's been kind of fine, you know, or like, jeez,
20:13
Speaker 1: how can we find the next Sebastian Volmer. I know
20:15
Speaker 1: there's talk of oh, we need a left tackle in
20:16
Speaker 1: a right tackle. It's like, even if you could lock
20:18
Speaker 1: down just the right side, you know, and get one
20:20
Speaker 1: thing figured out this year, that would be great. Uh.
20:23
Speaker 1: Quick preview tomorrow cornerbacks Special Teams mentioned Jake Moody. I mean,
20:27
Speaker 1: we'll go talk to him with the Shrine Bowl MVP Patriots.
20:30
Speaker 1: You know, long term need always, but the cornerbacks, and
20:34
Speaker 1: I just think this is a big position in need.
20:37
Speaker 1: And I'm kind of torn because on one hand, I
20:39
Speaker 1: feel pretty good about how well they coach up cornerbacks,
20:42
Speaker 1: how well they find them in lower rounds and even
20:44
Speaker 1: undrafted guys. Now that said, I'm actually I'm gonna I'm
20:48
Speaker 1: gonna say, wait just for a second. Into conversation with that,
20:50
Speaker 1: I've been kind of bringing up a couple of times
20:51
Speaker 1: that I think is interesting and that you know, Patriots
20:53
Speaker 1: had sixty sacks last year, they were twenty second in
20:56
Speaker 1: third down defense, and you know, just where's that disconnect.
20:59
Speaker 1: It was a conversation and we're having over a couple
21:00
Speaker 1: of beers out here in Indy. That's what we do, right,
21:02
Speaker 1: We were talking more football, But you know, I think
21:05
Speaker 1: we both kind of are in agreement that maybe what's
21:08
Speaker 1: missing is really that elite corner to put on that
21:11
Speaker 1: top option to slow everything down. As much as I
21:13
Speaker 1: want to believe that a pass rush can overcome, you know,
21:16
Speaker 1: lack of coverage deficiencies, it seems like this might be
21:20
Speaker 1: a spot where hey, let's go get a talented guy
21:22
Speaker 1: up near the top. And I think there's plenty of
21:23
Speaker 1: picks that could possibly make sense in the top four
21:26
Speaker 1: team will seem tomorrow. It's always the age old debate
21:30
Speaker 1: pass rush or coverage, right, and PFF in places like
21:33
Speaker 1: that have done deep dives and analytical deep dives into this,
21:37
Speaker 1: and I think the bottom line is is that to
21:39
Speaker 1: have a really good defense, you gotta have both. Like
21:41
Speaker 1: it's not one or the other. You truly have to
21:43
Speaker 1: have bold. And I think there's a school thought in
21:46
Speaker 1: the league now that corners are maybe a little bit
21:51
Speaker 1: overvalued in the market. And if you have those great paths,
21:53
Speaker 1: like you look at a defense like San Francisco, who
21:57
Speaker 1: are the corners that you can really name the award?
21:59
Speaker 1: Probably each various ward, but they're really about Bosa in
22:03
Speaker 1: the front. Right. So that's I think a conversation. But
22:07
Speaker 1: I think when you face these great quarterbacks Patrick Mahomes,
22:11
Speaker 1: Josh Allen, Justin Herbert, the guys the Patriots are gonna
22:14
Speaker 1: have to go through Joe Burrow. Of course you're gonna
22:16
Speaker 1: eventually get into third and seven. It's gonna be our
22:20
Speaker 1: guys against your guys, and who can win a one
22:23
Speaker 1: on one? Yeah, and right now, not only do I
22:26
Speaker 1: think the Patriots are punching above their weight in some
22:29
Speaker 1: of these battles across the board, they also don't have
22:32
Speaker 1: great body types. Yeah, you know, they don't have a
22:34
Speaker 1: great diversity there. It's all these undersized guys. So this draft,
22:39
Speaker 1: I think, other than tight end, I would say the
22:41
Speaker 1: deepest position group in this draft is corner. So and
22:45
Speaker 1: then let me ask you another question. Is I'm trying
22:47
Speaker 1: to wrap it up, but I also this is another
22:48
Speaker 1: philosophical question, is is you know when you say that
22:50
Speaker 1: there's a deep position group, generally, does it make sense
22:53
Speaker 1: to say, well, then we can just get one of
22:55
Speaker 1: the middle ones and that'll be good enough. Or do
22:57
Speaker 1: you say it's a deep group, let's get the best
22:59
Speaker 1: of the deep. You know, that's the philosophical question I
23:01
Speaker 1: have as well. It's a good question, and they, I
23:04
Speaker 1: would say, tend to go towards the let's get the
23:07
Speaker 1: third or fourth round. They're just as good type of
23:10
Speaker 1: thing the old clusters, right. You know, we have a
23:13
Speaker 1: bunch of guys in the same cluster. I love. Christian
23:16
Speaker 1: Gonzalez from Oregon, who we're going to talk to tomorrow,
23:18
Speaker 1: is probably the top top corner in the draft, besides
23:21
Speaker 1: maybe Devin Witherspoon from Illinois, a little bit smaller. Gonzalez
23:25
Speaker 1: checks every box. He's six foot two, extremely fluid guy,
23:28
Speaker 1: can play man, can play his zone, can play off,
23:31
Speaker 1: can play on like he can do everything, like everything
23:33
Speaker 1: that you would want him to do. I really like
23:36
Speaker 1: his game, but there's it's fair. Deontay Banks from Maryland,
23:40
Speaker 1: Julius Brents from Kansas States some guys that I've hyped
23:43
Speaker 1: up already in this process. Those guys can play too. Now, Brents,
23:47
Speaker 1: excuse me, Banks is somebody that we've heard whispers might
23:52
Speaker 1: run like a low for three and so maybe all
23:55
Speaker 1: of a sudden he's somebody that at forty six is
23:57
Speaker 1: a real conversation. If he runs that, well, it's foot two,
24:00
Speaker 1: two hundred and five pounds. That's incredible, that's incredible speed.
24:04
Speaker 1: So we'll see there's a lot of really good corners
24:07
Speaker 1: in this draft. Joey Porter Junior is another name we got.
24:10
Speaker 1: We can't take him though. You gotta mention him, but
24:14
Speaker 1: I could go on, and I mean, I just I
24:16
Speaker 1: gotta point out too. I mean I've watched some of
24:17
Speaker 1: Devin Witherspoon. That guy's got more big hits, Like he
24:19
Speaker 1: just comes flying into the background backfield crushing guys. It's
24:24
Speaker 1: fun to watch. I'm not sure exactly how it all
24:26
Speaker 1: matches up, but but certainly in need and I'll be
24:28
Speaker 1: curious how much they put into it. So I think
24:30
Speaker 1: that'll do it for us. I don't know if there's
24:32
Speaker 1: anything else to add, but we will certainly be back tomorrow,
24:34
Speaker 1: and I think they'll be even more to discuss, and
24:37
Speaker 1: certainly as the testing starts to happen, we'll have another
24:40
Speaker 1: layer to discuss, because it's one thing to talk to
24:42
Speaker 1: these guys as as dudes, and a lot of them
24:44
Speaker 1: seem like great dudes. I mean, Gerald Clark, I'm like
24:47
Speaker 1: to hang out with this guy. He's awesome. But you know,
24:49
Speaker 1: at the end of the day, it's about what happens
24:50
Speaker 1: on the field, So excited to see the DBS. Then Friday,
24:53
Speaker 1: we got quarterbacks, wide receivers, running backs, last but not least,
24:57
Speaker 1: the offensive line at the end, so we'll get to
25:00
Speaker 1: get a look at some of those guys too, and
25:01
Speaker 1: we will be back every day with a podcast here
25:03
Speaker 1: to kind of talk all these things out in a slow,
25:06
Speaker 1: relaxed environment. So thanks for listening, and we'll be back tomorrow.