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Headless's Magical Mailbag- Caput Algol/Nfr and with Guest Kris from Channel KOK · The Occult Rejects

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Speaker 1: You see something's going to happen.
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Speaker 2: What? What's gonna happen?
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Speaker 1: What?
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Speaker 3: Welcome everybody to the Headless Giant podcast. You know my
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Speaker 3: co host Nick, and now we have a guest. We've
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Speaker 3: got King from Channel kok Why don't you introduce yourself Nick,
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Speaker 3: and then we'll go to you King.
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Speaker 2: Sure, yeah, Nick, if you already don't know from the
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Speaker 2: Occult Rejects, uh yeah. You find everything on shoot Mumble,
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Speaker 2: YouTube and all major podcasts. And thank you again Headless
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Speaker 2: always look forward to doing this and yeah, looking forward
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Speaker 2: to King.
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Speaker 3: Thank you. Go ahead, Kings.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I am King from Channel Koka. Look me up
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Speaker 1: for any philosophical or esoteric film movie analysis. It's chum
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Speaker 1: Kok on YouTube. I think traveling me on guys.
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Speaker 2: Yeah. One thing I would like to just mention it
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Speaker 2: real quick for people listening and they haven't seen it.
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Speaker 2: I think we did it live, right. We did the
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Speaker 2: Spider Symbolism live that is up. That is still up,
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Speaker 2: so people want to go check that out. It's up
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Speaker 2: right now with the audio will drop in a few
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Speaker 2: weeks in regular rotation. But that Spider Symbolism series that
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Speaker 2: King covered fucking fire, so go check that out.
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Speaker 3: Absolutely, that was a great episode. So tonight, let's get
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Speaker 3: into the symbolism. I guess i'll go first. My symbol
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Speaker 3: is Nepher, and it's a very common symbol used a
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Speaker 3: lot in ancient Egyptian. Nepher is supposed to be the
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Speaker 3: esophagus or the throat, so it's used in words like nefer,
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Speaker 3: tit uh, neffer, hotep. All these other Neffer words that
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Speaker 3: you've probably heard before come from this one, and it's
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Speaker 3: kind of interesting. People thought it was a loot, but
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Speaker 3: it's actually supposed to represent the throat, something about singing,
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Speaker 3: and it means perfect, beautiful, done. It was also used
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Speaker 3: in relationship to grain silos, so when there was no
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Speaker 3: more grain in the silo and it was at the
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Speaker 3: bottom floor, I said, Neffer, it's done perfect. So I
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Speaker 3: don't know. I think it's kind of an interesting symbol
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Speaker 3: because good and beautiful and perfect only happens when you're finished.
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Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah yeah, when you're done with the product.
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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, when you're done. Yeah.
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Speaker 3: I like that, So I thought that was a pretty
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Speaker 3: cool symbol. Here it is with the higher glyphs. I'm
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Speaker 3: not sure what this says, but they use that Neffer
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Speaker 3: symbol over and over and over again. So it must
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Speaker 3: have been really fucking good.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, she was amazing talking about pizza or something like
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Speaker 2: that circle, right, So that's the nice nice Uh if
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Speaker 2: you could pull up wine that is the let me
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Speaker 2: get my notes up here, that is the uh. Well
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Speaker 2: could put algol the Bohemian demon star sigil, you know,
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Speaker 2: trying to I guess, I mean, this thing's very old,
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Speaker 2: so I mean just could be debatable. But supposedly the
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Speaker 2: origins and historical path around the first millennium BCE Egyptians
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Speaker 2: log al goals two point eight six day dimming cycle
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Speaker 2: and the Cairo's Lucky Unlucky calendar, linking the blink to
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Speaker 2: Horace's wrathful eye. The early Islamic Latin Middle Ages around
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Speaker 2: the eleventh and twelfth century get Arabic astronomers called the
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Speaker 2: star al Ghoul the ghoul interesting, and the astro mags
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Speaker 2: group it with fourteen other power stars the Bohemian roots.
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Speaker 2: It show up in the Piaka Tricks, which is around
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Speaker 2: eleven to twelfth centuries supposedly, and it does show up
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Speaker 2: in Where I Got It From around fifteen thirty one
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Speaker 2: from Henrik Cornelius is Agrippa and He prints it out
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Speaker 2: with the in the three book the Three Books of
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Speaker 2: Occult Philosophy, and it does show up in the around
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Speaker 2: seventeenth and nineteenth century Renaissance occultists and later astrologers treat
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Speaker 2: alcohols the most malific star the blinking eye of Medusa,
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Speaker 2: like my boy Headless was telling me earlier. And the
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Speaker 2: twenty first century revival online talisman smith's and people casing
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Speaker 2: for algols. Who what's that? Oh shit, all right, I
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Speaker 2: didn't I had the notes up. I was like, Oh,
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Speaker 2: what the fuck is that noise? I didn't see what
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Speaker 2: was going on? Oh what was I saying?
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Speaker 1: Sorry?
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Speaker 2: Yeah? But yeah. It's still is still used like today,
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Speaker 2: anatomy of the sigils. You know, I'm just gonna go
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Speaker 2: over this real quick. The Agrippin glyph, I think, is
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Speaker 2: the one that I'm showing now, Supposedly the forked shaft,
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Speaker 2: the spinal and column weapon of Perseus, also the path
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Speaker 2: of the eclipsing binary as one star occludes the other.
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Speaker 2: It's supposed to represent three terminal cycles is of Medusa, Jupiter,
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Speaker 2: and Saturn. Algos ruling planets are the stars triple system
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Speaker 2: system nature recognizing recognized by modern astronomy. So it's part
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Speaker 2: of a triple system, and there's a trailing bar which
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Speaker 2: is supposed to be the severed neck of Coudput without
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Speaker 2: the body of Okes decapitation room. But yeah, that's.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, that sounds like a powerful star for curses.
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Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, yeah. Sometimes just real quick too, if you're
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Speaker 2: using it like in you know, supposedly for rituals and stuff.
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Speaker 2: The correspondency sometimes could be used with like Jupiter as Saturn,
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Speaker 2: but it's the ritual purposes could be boldness and nobility, uh,
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Speaker 2: bodily and vulnerability. It also helps the people would use
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Speaker 2: it in a lot of amulets too, for protective reasonings.
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Speaker 2: But so there you go.
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Speaker 3: Looks like a badass key, that's what I thought.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, which I find interesting if it's associated with you know,
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Speaker 2: the head too, you know, so you either a meducer
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Speaker 2: or Horace's eye. You know, there's a there's a key involved.
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Speaker 2: I just find it interesting.
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Speaker 3: I wonder what would happen if you drew that on
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Speaker 3: your third eye.
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Speaker 2: Don't have to try that tomorrow. Oh great fucking king diamond.
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Speaker 2: H Yeah, that's it, thank you sir.
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Speaker 3: That's pretty awesome though, I mean, you got that cycle
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Speaker 3: in there. So if you are doing a curse, you
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Speaker 3: you've got that time to you know, really intensify the
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Speaker 3: energy in that in that sort of thing. If you're
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Speaker 3: going by the Medusa's pyramid or something, you can there's
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Speaker 3: a bunch of different numbers there.
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Speaker 2: Oh in uh actually which passing though this month that
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Speaker 2: uh alcohol Actually uranus is making a rare series of
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Speaker 2: conjunctions with algol between July twenty twenty four, maybe twenty
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Speaker 2: twenty five, So we already kind of like basically went
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Speaker 2: through it. But I don't know, so it was gonna
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Speaker 2: had maybe I had an influence on people going crazy
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Speaker 2: the last year.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, also reminds me since the key part kind of
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Speaker 1: has like three springs on it, kind of three prongs.
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Speaker 1: I was online and someone had brought up the symbol
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Speaker 1: of the pope staff when we got the new Pope,
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Speaker 1: and of course the pope staffs has the three prongs
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Speaker 1: on it, and there was you know, pe we're talking
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Speaker 1: about all these esthoteric difference symbols that it looks like
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Speaker 1: and whatnot, And what it made me think of was
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Speaker 1: the honey deepper. And around the same time we have
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Speaker 1: all this stuff happening with the bees of like, yeah,
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Speaker 1: ally weird things happening with bees are at the same
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Speaker 1: time as the pope, and then we have his staff
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Speaker 1: kind of clean like a honeydepper.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's when I when I used to do ritual
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Speaker 2: work and I did my water and I would do
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Speaker 2: the salt and water. I would dump the salt in
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Speaker 2: the bowl and it would used to use that Catholic thing.
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Speaker 2: It was like a bowl at the end with the
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Speaker 2: continent there, and I would dump it in the bowl
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Speaker 2: and spleech like that. It was like going around fucking,
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Speaker 2: you know, doing all dramatic you know. But again that's
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Speaker 2: almost like the honey the honey depper, I mean the
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Speaker 2: same exact kind of look.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I might be drinking June right now, which is
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Speaker 1: fermented tea and honey.
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Speaker 3: Nice catch a buzz, so that brings up something. So
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Speaker 3: the honey symbolism is kind of interesting. It's also I
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Speaker 3: believe this would be one of the keys in the
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Speaker 3: Catholic flag, sort of like the key to Hell. It's
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Speaker 3: the key to Heaven, key to Hell. You've got to
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Speaker 3: have the two keys. And that was much more ancient,
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Speaker 3: going back to Hecate and Hekkate has the two keys,
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Speaker 3: and she's the key bearer. And I think there's a
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Speaker 3: lot of crossover between the Catholic Church and Hecate, especially
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Speaker 3: if they're doing goddess magic in there. Like what the
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Speaker 3: site was devoted to originally was a Kaibli like goddess
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Speaker 3: from the Etruscans before the Romans even got there. So
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Speaker 3: the entire thing is built on top of this goddess worship,
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Speaker 3: and that's one of the keys. And what's interesting is
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Speaker 3: Medusa's relationship to seers and the oracle at Delphi, and
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Speaker 3: the oracle at Delphi was very much related to the
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Speaker 3: idea of honey because the Melisa were the priestesses there,
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Speaker 3: and so the priestesses with this honey are the ones
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Speaker 3: that would deliver the oracle. And if you look at
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Speaker 3: the omfulst that they have there, the stone that represents
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Speaker 3: the navel of the world, it's got this netting over
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Speaker 3: top of it that makes it look like it's crawling
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Speaker 3: with bees. So the Omfullest, or the navel of the world,
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Speaker 3: the thing that unites Earth and Heaven, is coated with
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Speaker 3: B symbolism. And you see the Mormons they've got the
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Speaker 3: B symbolism too, So There's something really deep about the
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Speaker 3: idea of this sort of prophetic honey either going to
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Speaker 3: the underworld again almost immortality being invoked there as well.
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Speaker 1: So yeah, I see in the comments Joey's was doing
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Speaker 1: some wordplay and connected Medusa and then rearranging the lighters
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Speaker 1: be seduced e A. But I would put the e
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Speaker 1: a to be a like Ether. It would be like
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Speaker 1: seducing mm.
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Speaker 2: Or even like you.
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Speaker 1: I love you have the Black Widows doing honey Potty
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Speaker 1: and uh, that's why I would connect Medusa to like
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Speaker 1: like a darker feminine you know, kind of like Suckerbis
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Speaker 1: kind of of a thing as well. So it's interesting
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Speaker 1: that how you could get honey Potty being seduction and
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Speaker 1: Medusa and Ether all connected. Beer.
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Speaker 2: Well, there's what's that stuck in the life an.
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Speaker 3: Well, there's two myths around Medusa. What is that she
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Speaker 3: was raped by Poside inside of Athena's temple and that
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Speaker 3: is what caused Athena to want to relieve her of
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Speaker 3: the burden of being human, so she turned her into
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Speaker 3: a monster. That's where this gorgon comes from. And so
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Speaker 3: you've also got the idea that maybe she was doing
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Speaker 3: it willingly. Which is what made Athena mad and then
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Speaker 3: turned her into Medusa. But this Medusa character was supposed
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Speaker 3: to be down in Libya. I believe, so Percy has
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Speaker 3: had to go all the way down to Africa to
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Speaker 3: slay Medusa and bring her head back up to you know, Greece.
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Speaker 3: So there's there's an interesting sort of a journey taking
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Speaker 3: place there, and that that eye of al Goal representing Medusa,
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Speaker 3: it's connected to so much other stuff. It's connected to addiction,
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Speaker 3: it's it's connected to basically, you know, all of the
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Speaker 3: worst traits. It's right there, turning you to stone. You know,
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Speaker 3: all these different things that.
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Speaker 2: You know.
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Speaker 3: Tie you down. So emails, I think I got a
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Speaker 3: couple of questions. Oh I want to go through that.
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Speaker 2: That's interesting. Yeah, I wonder if people never have questions
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Speaker 2: that might be worth entertaining.
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Speaker 1: Right.
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Speaker 3: So it says I was born on the cusp of Pisces,
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Speaker 3: which is water, and Aries, which is fire. I always
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Speaker 3: feel like the water of my Pisce sign has put
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Speaker 3: out my dreams and aspirations, my whole life of my
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Speaker 3: Aris fire. I'll start to do something I'm really good
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Speaker 3: at it, and then all of a sudden I'll stop.
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Speaker 3: I'll feel like it has kept me from going anywhere.
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Speaker 3: Can that be true? I also feel like I'm clairvoyant,
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Speaker 3: but I just don't have it all down. I'm a bess.
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Speaker 3: What do you suggest? Do we have some astrology doctors?
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Speaker 2: I mean, I would say that's probably just life in
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Speaker 2: general making you feel like, yeah.
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Speaker 1: Well I think, I think. I think it's interesting. I
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Speaker 1: often and I'm not. I'm a you know novice that
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Speaker 1: many master of nuts and mentality, but when it comes
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Speaker 1: to astrology or any kind of zoodiical kind of mindset,
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Speaker 1: I see it more as archetypal and alchemical. How you know,
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Speaker 1: some people can connect and do some amazing work together.
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Speaker 1: Some people are like oil and water. They just can't
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Speaker 1: get along, they can't work together. And that also goes
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Speaker 1: inwardly with how you interact with yourself. And so if
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Speaker 1: you're trying, if you feel like part of you is
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Speaker 1: trying to do something and another part of you is
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Speaker 1: kind of at war with yourself, you know, you can
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Speaker 1: always look at your the rest of your chart. I
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Speaker 1: don't know if you know the rest of your chart
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Speaker 1: or you've talked to an actual astrologer who knows their stuff,
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Speaker 1: look at your other chart to see what your other
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Speaker 1: alignments are, and you know, taking consideration of those elements,
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Speaker 1: pretend like you're alchemists in your own mind kind of
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Speaker 1: you can always do that. Something that I think this
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Speaker 1: is good for men or women is have a stoic
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Speaker 1: mindset of and I think that that's helped me a
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Speaker 1: lot to separate the inn around the world. So I
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Speaker 1: think that another part of it is to kind of
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Speaker 1: understand that. And the last thing that will say on
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Speaker 1: it is maybe if you're kind of at war with
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Speaker 1: yourself and you can't get your your feet to you know,
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Speaker 1: take that first step into whatever venture that you want
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Speaker 1: to go go into find you know, maybe find a
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Speaker 1: way to motivate yourself. Picture what you want, and then
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Speaker 1: write down the first steps on how you how you
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Speaker 1: would achieve that, and then do little by little like
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Speaker 1: and need to do this to get this, this to
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Speaker 1: get this, because that's that's in story writing. The guy
16:52
Speaker 1: who writes South Park Lea died an amazing video on
16:55
Speaker 1: how to write your story, and you need that to
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Speaker 1: get from A to B. So maybe just write down, Okay,
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Speaker 1: this is what I want, this is how I get it,
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Speaker 1: and then just do it, don't think about it. That's
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Speaker 1: the your's journey. Just jump, don't think about the jump.
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Speaker 1: Just jump.
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Speaker 2: It would be my screw the fear as in aries.
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Speaker 2: But I'm on the cost of for tours, and I'll just
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Speaker 2: I'm gonna put this. I'm gonna just be honest and
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Speaker 2: put it in my own perspective. I guess try to
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Speaker 2: put myself in. You know, I've been in this person's situation.
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Speaker 2: I think before if I think about it a lot
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Speaker 2: of times. For me, if I'm getting into something that
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Speaker 2: I'm into passionate about but yet I can't finish it.
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Speaker 2: For me, it is normally maybe I'm doing something I'm
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Speaker 2: passionate about, but somehow it's in a constrained to somebody
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Speaker 2: else's uh form. It would be just using Headless as
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Speaker 2: an example that saying he does this. Let's say I
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Speaker 2: told Headless I want to do this topic on the
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Speaker 2: show for myself. I was gonna do a solo, and
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Speaker 2: then he tells me how to do it. May I'd
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Speaker 2: be what I envisioned in my head. So now I'm
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Speaker 2: still doing what I like. But it's not you know,
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Speaker 2: that could be it, Uh, there could be something else
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Speaker 2: going on life that has me very upset and makes
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Speaker 2: me think less than of myself, and I start thinking
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Speaker 2: less than of myself and the work that I'm doing,
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Speaker 2: and then I'll stop. So maybe certain things like that.
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Speaker 2: Take a look at maybe other things in your life
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Speaker 2: that might be upsetting you and see if that's sort
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Speaker 2: of flowing into the things that you like doing.
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Speaker 3: Very good advice. I think a lot of us get
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Speaker 3: into that mindset. And if I was going to make
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Speaker 3: any sort of suggestion, maybe try either chigong or tai chi.
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Speaker 3: It's a great way to just slow things down. Having
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Speaker 3: the fire and water signs together. I think that's a
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Speaker 3: good recipe for steam. So maybe think about chilling out,
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Speaker 3: you know, I don't know. I think there's a lot
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Speaker 3: you could do with it, you know, I mean, look
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Speaker 3: at your planetary signs preferably, and start to redecorate in
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Speaker 3: the way that you want to see yourself, because how
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Speaker 3: you see your living arrangement around you is how you
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Speaker 3: eventually reflect on yourself. So always make sure that your
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Speaker 3: environment is in the type of configuration that would be
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Speaker 3: most conducive to what you're trying to accomplish. That's an
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Speaker 3: amateur functui. If you want to get it deep into it,
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Speaker 3: there's all sorts of stuff.
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Speaker 2: I like that. You know, sometimes there's a deep reflection
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Speaker 2: about what actually is going on and looking at it
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Speaker 2: from an above view, you know, right, some self reflection
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Speaker 2: can just help you. I love that.
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Speaker 3: I love it. So let's go to you king, let's
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Speaker 3: hear about some of your experiences.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, well, something that to start off with. Something that
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Speaker 1: I don't really talk about much when it comes to
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Speaker 1: these groups of esoteric thought and it's the cult, philosophy, spirituality,
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Speaker 1: all this kind of friend stuff that circles I run
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Speaker 1: around online, is that in my personal life is I
20:16
Speaker 1: was born with syllable polesy. And if you're unfamiliar with
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Speaker 1: super polesy is it's essentially like a neological muscle quote disability,
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Speaker 1: which I kind of disavow, kind of that word I
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Speaker 1: usually refer to as a condition. The reason why I
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Speaker 1: start off with this is I've had many spiritual and
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Speaker 1: paranormal experiences in my life, and I feel like it's
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Speaker 1: all negative to the fact that I have superlel polesy.
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Speaker 1: So essentially, how civil posing in my case at least
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Speaker 1: happened was at some point in the birthing process, I
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Speaker 1: got more liquid, more water in my brain than the
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Speaker 1: normal person, and so it it's on my right side.
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Speaker 1: And so your right side of the brain controls the
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Speaker 1: left side of your body. So my left side of
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Speaker 1: my of my body, my muscles are always tense, and
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Speaker 1: I have to put a lot of thought and effort
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Speaker 1: into even moving them on their own. It's like like
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Speaker 1: a poor connection. Like think of like during a storm
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Speaker 1: and you're trying to talk on the phone doing a
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Speaker 1: storm or something, and you just it is bad reception,
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Speaker 1: but you can still kind of hear it. That's kind
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Speaker 1: of how it is. Like I my right side has
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Speaker 1: to really assist my left and through that I have
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Speaker 1: from a very early age, I've had this diffinance in
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Speaker 1: my physical body and my spirit because I have a
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Speaker 1: lot of energy. I have a lot of things I
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Speaker 1: want to physically do, and trying to get my body
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Speaker 1: to do it or find ways to achieve it and
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Speaker 1: kind of communicate and translate that into the physical it's
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Speaker 1: always been really challenging for me. It's been an an
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Speaker 1: extra opt in doing so. I have drawn inward from
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Speaker 1: a very early age, and I think that drawing inward
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Speaker 1: to myself and having the these hermit like moments in
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Speaker 1: my life as made uh. I've been at the perfect
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Speaker 1: catalyst to have these paranormal, uh spiritual experiences. For instance,
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Speaker 1: when I was very very young, it was the first
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Speaker 1: time I ever went hunting.
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Speaker 3: UH.
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Speaker 1: My one of my first friends from elementary school, UH,
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Speaker 1: he was moved. He moved. I live in the kind
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Speaker 1: of the heart of America in the in the Midwest region.
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Speaker 1: Some of my my first friend, he moved from the
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Speaker 1: East Coast to the Midwest beach region and his family
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Speaker 1: bought a farm and I was staying over at his
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Speaker 1: house and his dad and brother decided to go hunting
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Speaker 1: in the morning. And it was the first time I
24:21
Speaker 1: had for hunting with anyone, and we took a It
24:26
Speaker 1: was me and my friend. This was like second or
24:29
Speaker 1: maybe third grade, and we had just had a BB
24:36
Speaker 1: gun and we was hunting small game like squirrels, rabbits,
24:41
Speaker 1: things like that. His dad and older brother was hunting
24:46
Speaker 1: bigger game and they had woods still on their farm
24:53
Speaker 1: property and we was just hunting on their property. And
24:59
Speaker 1: the reason I bring where they're from is these are
25:01
Speaker 1: people from the East Coast who you know, maybe wasn't
25:05
Speaker 1: familiar with the area or whatnot. They're kind of more
25:10
Speaker 1: city and they're getting used to country life, because you know,
25:14
Speaker 1: I wanted more of a simple, laid back life. And uh,
25:21
Speaker 1: when we get into the woods, my friend and I
25:25
Speaker 1: went one way and his dad and brother went the
25:29
Speaker 1: other way, and my friend had to be begun and
25:34
Speaker 1: I was following, uh, shortly behind him. And we had
25:38
Speaker 1: seen something moving and I think it was a rabbit.
25:43
Speaker 1: And we followed for a little while, and then at
25:50
Speaker 1: one point he's a bit ahead of me and he
25:54
Speaker 1: calls me over. He goes king, you need, you need,
25:57
Speaker 1: you need to come in and see this, and and
26:02
Speaker 1: I could tell in his voice like something was odd.
26:06
Speaker 1: And so I go over there expecting, you know, maybe
26:10
Speaker 1: the rabbit is doing something weird or something. But no
26:16
Speaker 1: way you see is there's these grouping of trees. In
26:21
Speaker 1: the shadow of one of the trees, there is a
26:26
Speaker 1: stereotypical Native American spirit, like full on Indian garbs and
26:33
Speaker 1: anything like what you would picture as in like Pocahontas
26:38
Speaker 1: or something night and he had some kind of spear
26:43
Speaker 1: stuck through him and it stuck through the tree and his.
26:45
Speaker 2: Eyes are glowing oh man.
26:48
Speaker 1: And it's kind of like if you ever seen the
26:51
Speaker 1: anime in Yasha how in Yasha is has the a
26:57
Speaker 1: arrows and he stuck to the tree. It was like
26:59
Speaker 1: that but a Native American spirit. And it freaked us
27:06
Speaker 1: out and we that's the fastest I've ever ran. And
27:11
Speaker 1: he ran all the way through the forest through his
27:16
Speaker 1: barn back into his uh, back his back door, which
27:23
Speaker 1: like withnaked, to his kitchen and where his mom was
27:26
Speaker 1: taking breakfast for all of us. Returned and we're like,
27:30
Speaker 1: we just saw this ghost. It's crazy. We were like
27:33
Speaker 1: freaking out, and his mom had to call his dad.
27:40
Speaker 1: His dad came back, and it was it was a
27:45
Speaker 1: pretty intense moment. And I still remember with that. I mean,
27:49
Speaker 1: it's it's such a vivid memory. And kind of end
27:54
Speaker 1: this story epilog to it is after we got older,
28:01
Speaker 1: we got into different classes in the middle school and
28:04
Speaker 1: high school, so we started getting other friend groups. We
28:07
Speaker 1: still talked, but we wasn't as clothes as what we
28:10
Speaker 1: was when we was kids. And when we graduated high school,
28:14
Speaker 1: I was just hanging out in the library and I
28:16
Speaker 1: saw him and we started just chatting up. Hey, you remember,
28:19
Speaker 1: you know all the stuff we did when we was kids,
28:22
Speaker 1: and I go, hey, yeah, you remember that time we
28:25
Speaker 1: went hunting and we saw that ghost, and me growing
28:31
Speaker 1: up since I had even more paranormal experiences after that
28:34
Speaker 1: and everything I had just you know, gone down the
28:38
Speaker 1: rabbit hole of researching all this stuff, and so I
28:42
Speaker 1: was open through these ideas. But as soon as I
28:45
Speaker 1: mentioned mentioned that shared experience we had, he freaked out
28:50
Speaker 1: and he was yeah, my dad went back like the
28:53
Speaker 1: next day and he didn't see anything, and so that
28:56
Speaker 1: was just our kid imaginations and like he was so
29:00
Speaker 1: apprehensive about it, like he did not want to talk
29:02
Speaker 1: about it whatsoever. He was this freaking yeah.
29:08
Speaker 2: So how many was that there was? Just it was
29:10
Speaker 2: two of yous, right or was it?
29:13
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was just two of us.
29:14
Speaker 2: But there's still as well that like if two people
29:16
Speaker 2: saw the same ship. Well, when you said we, I
29:20
Speaker 2: was like, oh boy, that just made it interesting. Both
29:22
Speaker 2: of the sort said he both ran. I was like,
29:24
Speaker 2: oh wow, it's not just him.
29:26
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was crazy.
29:29
Speaker 2: Yes, there have.
29:32
Speaker 3: You looked into the area at all to see if
29:34
Speaker 3: there was uh tribes or some battles or something that
29:38
Speaker 3: went on.
29:38
Speaker 1: Yeah, there was civil war battles all over here. I
29:41
Speaker 1: have another friend who I still talked to this day,
29:45
Speaker 1: and we went to elementary school together as well, and
29:51
Speaker 1: he actually had and this is his experience is not mine,
29:55
Speaker 1: so I can't talk much about it, but he has
29:57
Speaker 1: shared with me that he has dreams till this day
30:03
Speaker 1: about Civil War battles and like giant wolverine wolves, like
30:10
Speaker 1: like giant wolf wolf figures and giant battles and all
30:18
Speaker 1: this kind of stuff. And when we was in the
30:22
Speaker 1: elementary school, one of the field trips that every grade
30:25
Speaker 1: has to go to is we have to go to
30:29
Speaker 1: where these were this in particular battle of this area
30:34
Speaker 1: was was fought and it says the creepy area. And
30:39
Speaker 1: but like in elementary school, they have every class go
30:43
Speaker 1: to it and walk around and share this history. So
30:46
Speaker 1: there is a lot of Civil War, you know, and
30:52
Speaker 1: in this area, you know, there was a lot especially
30:56
Speaker 1: during the Civil War there was this fact, you know,
30:59
Speaker 1: this expresially in this area, back and forth on what
31:02
Speaker 1: side we was going to fight on, whether it was
31:08
Speaker 1: with the Confederacy, you know, or the Union in all
31:13
Speaker 1: this and that. So it's a lot and up you
31:16
Speaker 1: know a lot of native tribes and Indian lords from
31:24
Speaker 1: this area as well as far as more specifically where
31:30
Speaker 1: his his farm was, which his family didn't live there anymore.
31:36
Speaker 1: I would I would have to get in contact with him,
31:40
Speaker 1: and I can't really remember exactly where his farm was located,
31:45
Speaker 1: so I would have to get back with him and
31:48
Speaker 1: figure out what the area. Look at it up on
31:51
Speaker 1: a map and try to figure that out.
31:54
Speaker 3: Well, it sounds like it could be ritualistic, so there
31:56
Speaker 3: might be mounds thereby.
31:59
Speaker 1: Yeah, do you have.
32:01
Speaker 3: A lot of mountains in your area?
32:03
Speaker 1: Ah, we have a lot of cave systems. We have
32:10
Speaker 1: a excessive amount of of cave systems of this area
32:15
Speaker 1: and mountains and forests. And it's uh, yeah, it's it's
32:24
Speaker 1: interesting about that. And another experience I've had growing up
32:34
Speaker 1: was I swear that and this is the only experience
32:41
Speaker 1: that that I had. That's what even younger than my
32:47
Speaker 1: other experience. I just heard, you guys, my first family home,
32:52
Speaker 1: I've swore that my the hallway at least was haunted.
32:59
Speaker 1: And of course this could just be a kid being
33:02
Speaker 1: afraid of the dark, you know, one could say that
33:05
Speaker 1: or whatever, but I feel like there was more to it.
33:09
Speaker 1: In my the first house that my parents had when
33:13
Speaker 1: I was growing up and my sister. My sister was
33:16
Speaker 1: just a baby at a time, and my bedroom was
33:22
Speaker 1: at the very end of the hall and I would
33:24
Speaker 1: have waking false awakening like dreams before I even knew
33:30
Speaker 1: what false awakening dreams and all this stuff kind of was.
33:33
Speaker 1: I was, like I said, I was super young at
33:35
Speaker 1: this point, where I would wake up and something would
33:43
Speaker 1: come out of the hallway into my bedroom, like some
33:45
Speaker 1: kind of Demarnic like thing and attack me. And then
33:49
Speaker 1: like I would have dreams, I would be like, I
33:51
Speaker 1: would like wake up and I would fall out of bed,
33:54
Speaker 1: and what I would think would be when of my
33:56
Speaker 1: parents come and grab me from the floor and put
33:59
Speaker 1: me back on my But wasn't my parents. There's something
34:04
Speaker 1: betraying to be my parents. I would even have these
34:09
Speaker 1: really weird dreams of my mom fixing as a dinner
34:16
Speaker 1: and she would have make a biscuit for everyone, and
34:22
Speaker 1: so we would sit. In my dream, we would my
34:24
Speaker 1: mom would sit down and put our plates in front
34:27
Speaker 1: of us, and then everyone would get a biscuit, and
34:31
Speaker 1: then she would have one actual biscuit and we would
34:35
Speaker 1: have to take turns in this dream. And of course,
34:39
Speaker 1: because it was my dream, it would always my turn
34:41
Speaker 1: and take that extra biscuit and set it at the
34:45
Speaker 1: start of the hallway. And again, I'm young. I don't
34:48
Speaker 1: know about things like offerings and things. So this is
34:54
Speaker 1: a pure dream with unh program stuff. And you know,
35:02
Speaker 1: it wasn't like I was watching horror movies.
35:04
Speaker 2: So on the young to get that idea from.
35:07
Speaker 1: Yeah, And in my story, in my dream, I would
35:11
Speaker 1: always be super scared about it, and I would take
35:14
Speaker 1: this this extra biscuit and say that that started my hallway.
35:20
Speaker 1: And then for a second, nothing would happen, and I'll
35:23
Speaker 1: be like, well, I'm so hungry, I want to extra biscuit.
35:26
Speaker 1: Like nothing's happening, So then I would take the biscuit
35:28
Speaker 1: back and eat it. Then something would come out of
35:30
Speaker 1: the hallway and attack me. Uh. The last dream in
35:37
Speaker 1: the series of dreams that I will share with you
35:41
Speaker 1: is I had this Probably one of the craziest ones
35:44
Speaker 1: I had was I was it will be a dream
35:51
Speaker 1: of me setting on the couch and my baby's sister
35:56
Speaker 1: like on the other side of the couch, playing down
35:59
Speaker 1: when she was like still like a toddler kind of infant,
36:04
Speaker 1: and my dad would in my dream would have this
36:10
Speaker 1: brown blanket that we had when I was younger, and
36:14
Speaker 1: he would dreep it over his face and pretend like
36:17
Speaker 1: he was a ghost, and he would be like, oh, look,
36:20
Speaker 1: I'm a ghost. And then as he's doing this, I
36:24
Speaker 1: would look over, and I'm out of the hallway. Something
36:28
Speaker 1: that looked identical to my dad with that blanket over
36:31
Speaker 1: his head would walk out of the hallway and then
36:33
Speaker 1: say in between on the couch in between me and
36:36
Speaker 1: my sister, And in my dream, I was forced to
36:39
Speaker 1: look over at it, even though I knew it wasn't
36:41
Speaker 1: my dad with a blanket, because he was in front
36:43
Speaker 1: of me, and I would left up the blanket and
36:46
Speaker 1: I would see this demonic face. And I had all
36:52
Speaker 1: kinds of dreams like that involving this hallway, where like
36:57
Speaker 1: I would get up in the middle of the night
36:59
Speaker 1: and down the hallway and there would be like a
37:08
Speaker 1: and like little young child with like a bullhead in
37:15
Speaker 1: my sister's room, and they would come out of her
37:18
Speaker 1: room and charge and hit me in the chests and
37:19
Speaker 1: rain me up against the wall and all the and
37:22
Speaker 1: I was just terrified of this hallway, like as she
37:26
Speaker 1: like hysterically terrified of it.
37:34
Speaker 3: That's really interesting. Yeah, that that could definitely be associated
37:38
Speaker 3: with sort of picking up on a different frequency that's
37:41
Speaker 3: happening that other people aren't really catching on to.
37:45
Speaker 2: I remember when I was younger, you know, we my
37:49
Speaker 2: family believed that the house was one of my parents
37:51
Speaker 2: already did. So it wasn't like too hard to convince me.
37:54
Speaker 2: You know, my parents already believed. You know, I was like,
37:57
Speaker 2: all right, I'm not crazy for thinking this. They think
37:59
Speaker 2: it too, But I mean, definitely weird stuff happened. But
38:02
Speaker 2: you know, talking about the whole way, I just remember
38:04
Speaker 2: all of a sudden, it brought into like the whole
38:07
Speaker 2: fact that like I, my dad, and my mom all
38:09
Speaker 2: of us have seen like shadows, like we had the
38:11
Speaker 2: whole way between like the livery, like you'd come in
38:12
Speaker 2: the house, have like the fireplace, and then like the
38:16
Speaker 2: living room, and then they'd be like a bedroom, and
38:18
Speaker 2: then like a whole way another bedroom and then the kitchen.
38:21
Speaker 2: So in between like the living room and the kitchen,
38:24
Speaker 2: you could see like a shadow, like literally like somebody
38:27
Speaker 2: just walked down the fucking hallway. It was like all
38:31
Speaker 2: three of us have seen that. And there was one
38:32
Speaker 2: time where my mom thought the cap was rubbing against
38:36
Speaker 2: a leg for a minute and then look down to
38:39
Speaker 2: go like, you know, Petras say something that was like,
38:42
Speaker 2: nothing's there. She was like tough. So I have my
38:48
Speaker 2: mom told me these stories too, So I was all
38:50
Speaker 2: like this fucking the house is fucked up. As a kid,
38:53
Speaker 2: I was already you know, I was scared of the
38:55
Speaker 2: basement for sure. Now yeah, yeah, those one of those
39:01
Speaker 2: when you go up the stairs you're like running looking
39:02
Speaker 2: behind you. I was like a little kid, Yeah, keep
39:09
Speaker 2: it real.
39:11
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's it's interesting. I growing up, I was always
39:17
Speaker 1: very imaginative, and you know, I had imaginary friends and everything.
39:25
Speaker 1: I liked Betina like I was fighting ninja's. I was
39:28
Speaker 1: really into to think of the knitter turtles and stuff.
39:31
Speaker 1: So with pretin like I was fighting invisible ninjas and whatnot.
39:34
Speaker 1: And then I wanted to be like everyone else. And
39:40
Speaker 1: I saw the kids arounding maturing, and they wasn't out
39:43
Speaker 1: playing with their imaginations a lot. And so instead of
39:48
Speaker 1: just quitting, I had this weird ceremony. I did that.
39:51
Speaker 1: Thinking thinking back on it, I'm like, why did I
39:53
Speaker 1: do the ceremony as a kid? Uh? And essentially what
39:57
Speaker 1: it was is I had a goodbye party for all
40:00
Speaker 1: my imaginary friends. Would I imagine my house like full
40:04
Speaker 1: of my imaginary friends and we all highlight drinks and
40:08
Speaker 1: we was all I was saying goodbye to each and
40:10
Speaker 1: every one of them. And I walked around my house
40:12
Speaker 1: and I ended in my bedroom instead of just having
40:15
Speaker 1: them fade away, and imagined them being sucked into my forehead,
40:20
Speaker 1: which at this young age I didn't really know what
40:23
Speaker 1: third EyeT was and everything. I just wanted to keep
40:26
Speaker 1: them with me. And as I was growing up, instead
40:31
Speaker 1: of out orderly playing with imaginary friends, I would like
40:35
Speaker 1: put on headphones, listen to music, or just say in
40:38
Speaker 1: my room or pace or something that was kind of
40:43
Speaker 1: easy to do, and I would go inward and I
40:48
Speaker 1: will like imagine like a movie in my head where
40:55
Speaker 1: I would I would have you have like my I
40:59
Speaker 1: would usually referred him as Spencer. For some reason, I
41:02
Speaker 1: was called a Spencer, but it was my idellic version
41:05
Speaker 1: of myself that would be going on all these adventures
41:08
Speaker 1: and everything. I think that's why, UH storytelling had always
41:15
Speaker 1: been all these archetypes of things had always drawn to
41:18
Speaker 1: me because I had I've done ever since I was younger.
41:22
Speaker 1: I would get into these meditative space spaces, and like
41:25
Speaker 1: I was there, and even if I was setting down
41:29
Speaker 1: doing it and visualizing these adventures and everything, I would
41:33
Speaker 1: be rocking. And the more I would get into it,
41:36
Speaker 1: the harder I would like rock. And my family would
41:41
Speaker 1: always kind of tease me, like, oh, Chris, you're dissing
41:43
Speaker 1: your room, like rocking a lot, or you're pacing and
41:46
Speaker 1: stuff like this, And I would like imagining all these
41:50
Speaker 1: crazy scenarios and everything, and so I've I've always kind
41:56
Speaker 1: of drawn kind of that inward, and I think that's
41:59
Speaker 1: also part of it, because I've had this other experience
42:04
Speaker 1: back in twenty twenty one, I believe, So this is
42:07
Speaker 1: later in my adult life. Well, I had another false
42:11
Speaker 1: awakening dream, but I officer don't think it was a
42:14
Speaker 1: false awakening dream. I think it was masquerading as a
42:18
Speaker 1: false awakening dream because basically what happened was, I had
42:23
Speaker 1: this quote dream where I woke up immediately decided, Hey,
42:28
Speaker 1: I want to make some eggs, and I'm going to
42:31
Speaker 1: my end. I start making eggs. But then as I'm
42:35
Speaker 1: making eggs, I'm just like, wait a second, was there
42:37
Speaker 1: some people at my table in my dining room and
42:41
Speaker 1: I turned around and there were four drag aliens setting
42:45
Speaker 1: out my dining room table in this dream, and as
42:51
Speaker 1: soon as I turned around and see them, it goes white.
42:55
Speaker 1: And the next thing I remember is I'm in this
43:00
Speaker 1: dark room where I'm setting on this like metal chair,
43:08
Speaker 1: and there's other like ropes or chairs beside me, but
43:12
Speaker 1: it's dark, so I can't really see if there's other
43:14
Speaker 1: people or not. And in front of me there was
43:18
Speaker 1: like a like a projected screen from the light coming
43:22
Speaker 1: from behind me, and there was a human woman and
43:28
Speaker 1: she's projecting these scenes that looks something like something from
43:32
Speaker 1: the Sound of Music, where it's this same woman in
43:36
Speaker 1: these videos and pictures with children running through a field
43:41
Speaker 1: of butter flights, and she's trying to plead to us
43:43
Speaker 1: that it wasn't up to her that she had to
43:46
Speaker 1: take the children to see the butterflights, but she's hysterical
43:49
Speaker 1: about it. And right when that scene ends, it goes
43:59
Speaker 1: wide again. Then then I start to feel myself like
44:05
Speaker 1: I can start feeling my body and it's just like
44:07
Speaker 1: a white light, and but the white white is like piercing,
44:11
Speaker 1: like it could feel like kind of go through me.
44:14
Speaker 1: And I'm getting more and more senses of my physical
44:17
Speaker 1: body again, and I feel like I'm being lowered. And
44:22
Speaker 1: so what I think it was was at this moment
44:24
Speaker 1: because I've had out of body experiences kind of before,
44:28
Speaker 1: so I felt like it was kind of like a
44:30
Speaker 1: like a returning to my body that goes being lowered
44:33
Speaker 1: back into myself. And but I couldn't open my eyes.
44:36
Speaker 1: I knew this white light with like piercing almost like
44:39
Speaker 1: you have like at the dentist office or something. And
44:42
Speaker 1: then I wake back up and my my TV is on,
44:47
Speaker 1: which I hardly ever follow shit with my TV on,
44:51
Speaker 1: and I don't remember having my TV TV on prior
44:54
Speaker 1: to this, but you know how Netflix will like cycle
44:58
Speaker 1: it through art. And the cover art was for some
45:04
Speaker 1: Christmas thing that's called Alien Christmas, which has a clay
45:08
Speaker 1: mation of a gray alien dressed by Santa Claus and
45:12
Speaker 1: it's and I'm just like, what is this image? Why
45:17
Speaker 1: is it online TV? And then here's a crazy thing.
45:20
Speaker 1: When I wake up, I realize it's winter time. I'm
45:23
Speaker 1: pulled and I remember falling asleep with a hoodie on,
45:28
Speaker 1: so I I uncover my blanket and I realized my
45:31
Speaker 1: hoodie isn't on me, anymore. And the hoodie I was
45:36
Speaker 1: wearing is now folded up at the front of my
45:39
Speaker 1: bed inside out. And something that you know when I
45:44
Speaker 1: came back from my disability is when it comes to
45:47
Speaker 1: long sleeves, it's harder for me to put on because
45:50
Speaker 1: I can't really move my left hand, so my right
45:52
Speaker 1: side has to help my left arm get into long sleeves.
45:56
Speaker 1: And so it takes conscious, conscious effort for me to
46:00
Speaker 1: actually put on like long steadies and things. So it's
46:04
Speaker 1: not like something I could do half asleep or something
46:08
Speaker 1: like that.
46:08
Speaker 2: I really think about what they're doing.
46:10
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I have to have conscious thought about it.
46:14
Speaker 1: So yeah, And so around that time in my life,
46:18
Speaker 1: I was going through I guess what some may say
46:20
Speaker 1: a dark knight of the soul. I was in a
46:21
Speaker 1: highly emotional state, going through a lot of tourmoil in
46:25
Speaker 1: my life and everything at the moment, and so I
46:30
Speaker 1: had a lot of emotions I was trying to process,
46:34
Speaker 1: and I had things like that happening to me.
46:39
Speaker 3: I think you got incepted for a corporate espionage.
46:46
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's some wild stories. That's some wild dreams too.
46:51
Speaker 1: Yeah.
46:52
Speaker 2: Yeah, you were saying something before this is shows like
46:56
Speaker 2: two or three stories ago that made me wonder about
46:59
Speaker 2: something with my self. I think you were talking about
47:02
Speaker 2: like maybe memories or childhood memories. Do you ever wonder if, like,
47:05
Speaker 2: have you ever had like childhood memories? I even guess
47:07
Speaker 2: for you had listen if you ever had like childhood
47:08
Speaker 2: memories that you look back and you're like, is that real?
47:13
Speaker 2: Or it's like or is that like is this gonna
47:15
Speaker 2: sound crazy? I don't know how to explain it? Or
47:17
Speaker 2: is that an idea that I had what was actually real?
47:23
Speaker 2: Like and that sounds crazy. But There's been times where
47:26
Speaker 2: I'll have like certain images or like memories flesh and
47:29
Speaker 2: I'll be like, is that actually real? Though? Like I
47:31
Speaker 2: remember that, but like I don't know it just like
47:33
Speaker 2: almost seems weird in a sense when you kind of
47:36
Speaker 2: look back at it. I don't know how to explain it.
47:39
Speaker 3: No, I get it.
47:40
Speaker 2: You questioned your memories, You're like, wait, I don't know.
47:44
Speaker 1: Yeah, I've had it where I caught where I've talked
47:47
Speaker 1: to friends from my childhood or my sister and hey,
47:51
Speaker 1: remember that thing that happened while we were together, and
47:54
Speaker 1: they'd be like, I've never jne or anything like that,
47:57
Speaker 1: Like we've never been in that scenario. I'm like, I
48:00
Speaker 1: swear that that really happened.
48:02
Speaker 2: Like I've seen that happen people.
48:06
Speaker 1: Like why why don't you.
48:09
Speaker 2: I've seen that happen with people like no, dude, that
48:11
Speaker 2: never fucking happened.
48:12
Speaker 1: Don't know what you're talking about.
48:14
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it's kind of funny for the other person,
48:18
Speaker 2: like wait what sure?
48:19
Speaker 1: No? And yeah, I actually had another in college. I
48:28
Speaker 1: had a friend and we would hang out play card
48:31
Speaker 1: games and tabletop games, and you know, we maybe parky
48:35
Speaker 1: on with of some cannabis or or or he had
48:40
Speaker 1: a hookah. Maybe you would you would have a little
48:43
Speaker 1: bit of his hookah. And it was one time where
48:50
Speaker 1: we was all his house and his house was definitely
48:53
Speaker 1: had some paranormal activity, like I would have step for
48:56
Speaker 1: him and all these crazy stuff would happen, voices, ghost cats,
49:00
Speaker 1: all kinds of goody stuff. But he also had a
49:04
Speaker 1: house spirit, a brownie that we all interacted with at
49:08
Speaker 1: some point. And this one night we was it was
49:13
Speaker 1: some of us guys and we was all hanging out
49:15
Speaker 1: playing this tabletop card game, fantasy game, and we're smoking
49:24
Speaker 1: a little bit and everything, and that we had the
49:28
Speaker 1: light on in his dining room where we was playing,
49:31
Speaker 1: but the rest of the lights in the house was
49:33
Speaker 1: off and it was getting dark upside, and his front
49:41
Speaker 1: front door was like the front door would open, but
49:45
Speaker 1: the screen was closed, and you could see the light
49:47
Speaker 1: beam swimming in from the street lamp outside. And so
49:52
Speaker 1: were all sitting there and his his house. His brownie
49:56
Speaker 1: liked nicotine like of course, he liked tobacco out, so
50:01
Speaker 1: he would always come around when the hukah was out
50:04
Speaker 1: and everything like we would always get some activity, and so, uh,
50:08
Speaker 1: we had the hookah out, we had some cannabis, so
50:11
Speaker 1: of course we had to alter scene consciousness. But we're
50:13
Speaker 1: all flow stick kind of playing this card game. And
50:16
Speaker 1: I just look over because my friends taking a long
50:20
Speaker 1: time on his turn, so and I look over and
50:24
Speaker 1: again I'm kind of buzzed, and I see on the
50:32
Speaker 1: floor his house spirit who is in the form of
50:37
Speaker 1: like a small child on his hands and knees, trying
50:41
Speaker 1: to bet like he's a cat. And my friend had
50:43
Speaker 1: a couple of cats, so maybe trying to tege themselves
50:45
Speaker 1: as a cat. But I could tell you it was
50:47
Speaker 1: like a solid black mask with a shadow. It wasn't
50:51
Speaker 1: like one of his cats neither of his hat was
50:54
Speaker 1: black to begin with, and it had these again, like
50:57
Speaker 1: shimmering eyes, and that's just that's just Brownie. Anyway, he
51:02
Speaker 1: was looking up at the hugah and so I know
51:05
Speaker 1: he wanted some tobacco. So I looked over to my friend,
51:09
Speaker 1: your house spirit Brownie wants someone of this tobacco, Like
51:13
Speaker 1: he's like, really he wants like he wants something. Yeah,
51:19
Speaker 1: And as soon as I acknowledged it and my friend
51:23
Speaker 1: looked over, we both he didn't see the black mass,
51:27
Speaker 1: but we both saw from the light being casted on
51:32
Speaker 1: the walls from outside, like like a like a shadow,
51:39
Speaker 1: like a spirit corner. Were like, yeah, he's.
51:45
Speaker 3: I I ironically believe that the anime mushi sheet is
51:49
Speaker 3: a lot more like reality. Did we give it credit for?
51:53
Speaker 3: Have you ever seen that one?
51:54
Speaker 1: I don't think so.
51:56
Speaker 3: Oh it's fucking great. So there's this his uh the
52:00
Speaker 3: Japanese exorcist, right, but he has to get rid of
52:04
Speaker 3: these troublesome nature spirits that are attacking people in these
52:07
Speaker 3: different villages, and so like they'll they'll get an ear infection.
52:11
Speaker 3: And it's actually just one of these nature spirits that
52:14
Speaker 3: used to have a home there in that forest now
52:16
Speaker 3: is out of a place, and so it gets inside
52:18
Speaker 3: of their heads and it's like that's actually really close
52:22
Speaker 3: to reality, Like we're living in an area where we're
52:26
Speaker 3: not exactly sure what's going on, and you know, why
52:29
Speaker 3: things happen the way they do. There could be a
52:32
Speaker 3: lot of nature spirits involved, because you know, we take
52:35
Speaker 3: over their lands and the spirit you're talking about the brownie,
52:40
Speaker 3: I think mostly don't they don't they stick to like
52:43
Speaker 3: only houses, like they're kind of like a house spirit.
52:46
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, The whole idea of a brownie from folklore
52:52
Speaker 1: is they would and those different names from them, but
52:57
Speaker 1: I prefer brownies. I think that's to me, that's the
53:00
Speaker 1: name that kind of resonates the best. And a lot
53:06
Speaker 1: of them they would be kind of they wouldn't be
53:09
Speaker 1: like welcomed in or he invoked in, but once they
53:14
Speaker 1: made appearance, they would be like accepted, like you wouldn't
53:20
Speaker 1: want to like you wouldn't force them out, And Okay, well,
53:23
Speaker 1: I guess what I'm code existing with this thing now,
53:27
Speaker 1: And a lot of times it would be from some
53:34
Speaker 1: kind of if you might even kind have asked one
53:42
Speaker 1: to come into your home if he want a protector
53:46
Speaker 1: by putting some high bone or skull or mummified animal
53:52
Speaker 1: like a cat or something in your walls when you're
53:56
Speaker 1: building your home, or have some kind of something to
54:02
Speaker 1: kind of encourage it. And so if one bit show up,
54:07
Speaker 1: whether it was a gnome like entity, a fay like entity,
54:13
Speaker 1: or a ghost cat or something, whatever form it took
54:18
Speaker 1: for you, you would then kind of make a deal with that.
54:25
Speaker 1: You you wouldn't banish it out, and you would give
54:32
Speaker 1: a kind of offers, offerings like uh, tobacco or something,
54:36
Speaker 1: a lot of them, like the gnomes, like tobacco. And
54:44
Speaker 1: then you would even have these in gardens, like elemental
54:47
Speaker 1: spirits in your gardens as well. Some something run your
54:51
Speaker 1: property and h h. You would give it offering offerings,
54:58
Speaker 1: and then you would it would maintain your residence for you,
55:04
Speaker 1: where it would clean up your house for you, it
55:06
Speaker 1: would do some chores, It would protect it from any
55:10
Speaker 1: other spirits, kind of like how we was talking about
55:12
Speaker 1: on an Inspire symbol in the video how inspired to
55:14
Speaker 1: get rid of flies. It would be like this spirit
55:18
Speaker 1: is keeping away other spirits. It is how it would
55:23
Speaker 1: be described. So it would be like a protector of
55:25
Speaker 1: the home or like a like a treasure guardian, Like
55:30
Speaker 1: how we have these stories of like spirits guarding treasures.
55:35
Speaker 3: But there's a there's a show on Netflix called Hilda
55:39
Speaker 3: where she's traveling inside of this alternate dimension that exists
55:44
Speaker 3: behind these different pieces of furniture because she followed the
55:48
Speaker 3: brownie into that dimension.
55:50
Speaker 1: I love Hilda. It's such a good show. It's amazing. Yeah. Yeah,
55:57
Speaker 1: that show is so encoded. I love it. Yeah, that
56:01
Speaker 1: that's basically what it is.
56:04
Speaker 3: Absolutely. Yeah. I think if people got to know the
56:08
Speaker 3: spirits around them a little bit better, they might find
56:10
Speaker 3: that they really are on sacred ground. One of the
56:13
Speaker 3: big problems I think that exists in our societies. We're
56:16
Speaker 3: always looking thousands of miles away for sacred land when
56:20
Speaker 3: you could be on it right now if you just
56:22
Speaker 3: paid a little bit more attention, you know.
56:26
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's I.
56:27
Speaker 1: Also think, uh, why water plays a part of it?
56:31
Speaker 1: Can you know? You have I think stories of where
56:37
Speaker 1: like phase and certain kind of ginger spirits can't cross
56:49
Speaker 1: water streams or whether it's above ground or on the ground.
56:53
Speaker 1: So that's where you get ideas of like lay lines
56:55
Speaker 1: and dragon lines or fairy lions or whatever you want
56:58
Speaker 1: to report to the mass.
56:58
Speaker 2: I think I've actually seen that before. Yeah, something with
57:01
Speaker 2: like a stream actually stopped like them from crossing. That's interesting.
57:06
Speaker 1: Yeah, And like I going back to my super poalsy,
57:11
Speaker 1: the fact that it has to do with excessive water
57:16
Speaker 1: in the brain or etcepch a liquid in the brain.
57:19
Speaker 1: I view it as almost like a like a fairy portal,
57:27
Speaker 1: like's if you know what a fairy portal is. It's
57:30
Speaker 1: like a little bit of a water on a mirror,
57:34
Speaker 1: and it's supposed to be like this ceremonial kind of thing.
57:38
Speaker 1: I kind of view it like that all well, like
57:40
Speaker 1: a well spring. So the point is, I think not
57:45
Speaker 1: only my solitude within myself and this distinance between my
57:49
Speaker 1: spirit and my body, but also the fact that the
57:54
Speaker 1: whole idea is extra liquid. And of course, if you're
57:58
Speaker 1: relating it to movies, think of movie like limitless lucy
58:02
Speaker 1: things like that. But I also think it's it's water
58:06
Speaker 1: and the spiritual properties of water it has to do
58:10
Speaker 1: with it. I also, you know, I've had, of course
58:15
Speaker 1: experiences where I've seen quote, sleep prowless demons and stuff,
58:24
Speaker 1: and they bought and you know how I got rid
58:26
Speaker 1: of them. I'm tired of this bullshit. I just want
58:30
Speaker 1: to go back to bed and just like roll back
58:32
Speaker 1: over and pretend like they're not Even then they got
58:35
Speaker 1: pissed off that I wasn't scared of them or anything
58:37
Speaker 1: like I would just like I don't want to sleep.
58:40
Speaker 1: I just rolled back over and ignored them, and they
58:44
Speaker 1: left me alone.
58:45
Speaker 3: The fear associated with the sleep paralysis demon is worse
58:48
Speaker 3: than anything you'll actually experience of reality. Yeah, and once
58:53
Speaker 3: you can beat that fear, that's actually a huge accomplishment.
58:56
Speaker 3: It's like the worst kind of panic you can imagine.
58:59
Speaker 3: But just take it easy because that's what they feed on.
59:02
Speaker 3: They feed on that expression through the fear.
59:05
Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly.
59:09
Speaker 3: Yeah.
59:09
Speaker 1: And the experience our share that kind of started this
59:14
Speaker 1: whole thing, which that why I'm on the show that
59:19
Speaker 1: I shared with Nick that he was like, oh, you me,
59:21
Speaker 1: come on and share experiences with me? Is he? Nick
59:26
Speaker 1: asked me why I use in my symbol of symbolism
59:29
Speaker 1: for my channel, I use a lot of film reels,
59:32
Speaker 1: and he was asking me if I had a kind
59:36
Speaker 1: of mental fithical experiences with film rules or things like movies.
59:41
Speaker 2: Yeah, because like the logo I said, I use film
59:42
Speaker 2: reels in this in the logo. So when I saw yours,
59:44
Speaker 2: I was like, oh, okay, say.
59:48
Speaker 1: I haven't had anything with film rells. But I do
59:52
Speaker 1: consider the North Star my my angel from my channel.
59:57
Speaker 1: I really the North Star and as God's film reel,
1:00:03
Speaker 1: and it's kind of this funny, kind of symbolic thing
1:00:06
Speaker 1: that I do. But for my own experiences, I haven't
1:00:09
Speaker 1: had anything with real film reels. However, I didn't know.
1:00:12
Speaker 1: I did get a degree in film, and as I
1:00:16
Speaker 1: got more first in filming techniques and everything the tech
1:00:20
Speaker 1: aspects of film, even my my intro to photography class
1:00:27
Speaker 1: I took class that took a photography class, my instructor
1:00:31
Speaker 1: handed us our cameras and was like your light wizards,
1:00:36
Speaker 1: did this is your and these cameras on your wants?
1:00:41
Speaker 1: You're playing with what He was like, very like he
1:00:44
Speaker 1: was trying to be quirky because he was a fan
1:00:46
Speaker 1: of Word of the Rings and everything, so he wasn't
1:00:50
Speaker 1: trying to be like esoteric about it. He was just
1:00:53
Speaker 1: trying to be so cool.
1:00:56
Speaker 2: Yeah, but I mean think I really ate too though,
1:00:58
Speaker 2: manipulate the luck.
1:01:00
Speaker 1: But he like, yeah. But as I went to my
1:01:06
Speaker 1: degree and started and getting more experiences working with cameras
1:01:10
Speaker 1: and bringing the director of things and everything, and that
1:01:15
Speaker 1: got me visualizing things from other perspectives and seeing where
1:01:18
Speaker 1: I want the cameras to be laid out and how
1:01:22
Speaker 1: uh A, your settings will tell your story and your
1:01:27
Speaker 1: your perspective matters. And once I started doing that, that
1:01:31
Speaker 1: helped me kind of learn how to uh into these
1:01:40
Speaker 1: like lucid dreaming states. And I had this dream want
1:01:47
Speaker 1: where it's it's quite morbids, so this is you don't
1:01:53
Speaker 1: notice that the stream is going to have some some
1:01:56
Speaker 1: kind of morbid tones to it. I had this dream
1:01:59
Speaker 1: where I was I wasn't myself, I was another child
1:02:05
Speaker 1: going to school and I was in like a like
1:02:09
Speaker 1: a high school, and I was in that group of
1:02:11
Speaker 1: friends and we would all go to this classroom and
1:02:17
Speaker 1: tune this like like a CRT TV, like like the
1:02:21
Speaker 1: old two box TV, right between these channels and try
1:02:27
Speaker 1: to get this certain channel where it was all fuzzy,
1:02:32
Speaker 1: and that certain fuzzy channel will give us. It was
1:02:35
Speaker 1: almost like power Rangers were like when we tune to
1:02:38
Speaker 1: that channel, we would like power up into like our
1:02:41
Speaker 1: hero versions and everything, and we would fight all these
1:02:45
Speaker 1: creatures and it would have. In my dream, it was
1:02:49
Speaker 1: like we were protecting this school from these entities that
1:02:52
Speaker 1: was coming through these channels and whatnot. If you were
1:02:55
Speaker 1: seeing the horror B movie Terror version, which I saw
1:03:00
Speaker 1: years later, it was kind of like terror vision. And
1:03:05
Speaker 1: in this stream, our school was was going to be
1:03:09
Speaker 1: attacked and it was by this coming force and it
1:03:15
Speaker 1: was represented by this storm, and this giant storm overtook
1:03:21
Speaker 1: our school and in the middle of the storm, it
1:03:26
Speaker 1: blew our windows of the school open, and we all
1:03:29
Speaker 1: have had a huddle and all my all my friends
1:03:35
Speaker 1: in this stream, we was all trying to like we
1:03:38
Speaker 1: had the remote and we were trying to tune to
1:03:40
Speaker 1: this channel so we could all power up and face
1:03:42
Speaker 1: this entity that was causing this storm. And we I
1:03:47
Speaker 1: looked outside and in the middle of all the this storm,
1:03:51
Speaker 1: this giant cylinder like black cylinder, like a silo thing
1:03:56
Speaker 1: like came down from the sky and like landed in
1:04:02
Speaker 1: front of this our skull like giant black cylinder. It's
1:04:07
Speaker 1: almost like a silo. This this black mass came down
1:04:13
Speaker 1: and I knew like that was whatever that was, that
1:04:15
Speaker 1: was what we was fighting. And then sadly, in my dream,
1:04:21
Speaker 1: before we could to to that channel. The thing wipe
1:04:23
Speaker 1: everyone out and I went to the last one standing,
1:04:27
Speaker 1: and so it all got calm, and I had to
1:04:30
Speaker 1: walk through the wreckage of the destruction of this scene,
1:04:36
Speaker 1: and it's I won't going through details as a quite
1:04:38
Speaker 1: graphic of a dream. I walked through the wreckage. There's water,
1:04:43
Speaker 1: there's destruction everywhere. But as the dream was going on,
1:04:50
Speaker 1: it's switching from a first person's perspective to a third
1:04:55
Speaker 1: person's perspective to it, and like it's going on, getting
1:04:59
Speaker 1: all these two cinematic angles and everything right, and then
1:05:03
Speaker 1: I feel the presence of whatever process coming and you know,
1:05:12
Speaker 1: I'm seeing like destruction and chaos and death just everywhere,
1:05:17
Speaker 1: and this force is coming up and I don't see
1:05:20
Speaker 1: what the physical appearance of this force is, by just
1:05:23
Speaker 1: fill it and my my dream body gets lifted up
1:05:27
Speaker 1: against the wall on my arm guard beside me. I'm
1:05:31
Speaker 1: getting push up and up, and they're like almost like
1:05:34
Speaker 1: a force stroke, like when dark Clader like force chokes someone.
1:05:38
Speaker 1: And that's when the these different perspective, these different camera
1:05:45
Speaker 1: angles starts going crazier and crazy and are searching back
1:05:49
Speaker 1: and forth, and that's when I can start just like
1:05:55
Speaker 1: my false awakening, alien pseudo induction kind of dream. There's
1:06:02
Speaker 1: a parallel between each two walk I can in this
1:06:04
Speaker 1: dream kind of like the other dream. I can start
1:06:06
Speaker 1: feeling my arms that are beside me, and the angles
1:06:12
Speaker 1: I'm getting our our uh my dream perspective angle. So
1:06:20
Speaker 1: I've seen like all the destruction and everything as my
1:06:23
Speaker 1: body scheam lifted up and I fell in my arms.
1:06:26
Speaker 1: And then I'm seeing the ceiling fan in my bedroom
1:06:32
Speaker 1: as if I'm starting to wake up, and the ceiling
1:06:35
Speaker 1: fan is like the other perspective. But then I'm getting
1:06:40
Speaker 1: a third perspective of me looking down at my sleeping
1:06:45
Speaker 1: body in my bed, like my actual physical body sleeping
1:06:48
Speaker 1: in my bed. So I'm getting my these dream perspectives,
1:06:52
Speaker 1: I'm getting my waking perspective, and I'm getting this out
1:06:55
Speaker 1: of body perspective all at the same time. And it
1:07:00
Speaker 1: wasn't like a picture and a picture where it's like
1:07:03
Speaker 1: all these different boxes. It was I was seeing everything
1:07:08
Speaker 1: at the same time, which is hard to explain. It
1:07:10
Speaker 1: wasn't like cross it wasn't like the things are stacked
1:07:15
Speaker 1: up on top of each other. It was just like
1:07:17
Speaker 1: I could see everything at the same time.
1:07:20
Speaker 3: How many optic nerves are there that connect to the brain.
1:07:26
Speaker 1: I don't know. Off the top of my head.
1:07:30
Speaker 2: I don't I actually believe it or not. I don't know.
1:07:32
Speaker 2: I know there's twelve cranial nerves and not the optic
1:07:34
Speaker 2: nerves is one of those, but fuck yeah I should
1:07:36
Speaker 2: know that. Actually, Yeah, there's there's ones that go up, yeah,
1:07:39
Speaker 2: into your brain.
1:07:41
Speaker 3: Yeah, because it would be interesting if that matched up.
1:07:43
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, how many?
1:07:48
Speaker 1: Yeah?
1:07:49
Speaker 2: Yeah, I do think. I I do think when you
1:07:51
Speaker 2: start going up your optic nerve for some reason, in
1:07:53
Speaker 2: my opinion, I do think that's why. So getting into
1:07:55
Speaker 2: different perspectives of sight in sense, it's like because it's
1:07:59
Speaker 2: I think possibly that's where the orphan idea might be
1:08:02
Speaker 2: coming up from. That's just my opinion. Yeah, which is
1:08:07
Speaker 2: very much like when you were explaining kind of like
1:08:08
Speaker 2: viewing things from different angles.
1:08:11
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was really it was really crazy, and yeah,
1:08:15
Speaker 1: it's all these experiences are quite weird. I don't always
1:08:19
Speaker 1: seek it out, they just it just naturally happens for me.
1:08:23
Speaker 1: One of the times I did kind of seek it out, though,
1:08:26
Speaker 1: was back in college. Me and my coach friend of
1:08:29
Speaker 1: mine went on a road trip to go see a concert,
1:08:31
Speaker 1: and we also stayed at an air andbnb and there
1:08:34
Speaker 1: was this quote haunted mansion or manor right next to
1:08:38
Speaker 1: our B and B were or like a few streets away,
1:08:43
Speaker 1: a few miles away from our MBNB that was also
1:08:47
Speaker 1: by the concert. Then you said, we went saw the concert,
1:08:50
Speaker 1: say that airbnb, and then we're gonna go to a
1:08:55
Speaker 1: few other places around this area. And also, uh, drive
1:08:59
Speaker 1: by this quote haunted manor where there was all this
1:09:04
Speaker 1: crazy like death and the stuff that was happening here,
1:09:06
Speaker 1: and it was all boarded up, which was probably bad
1:09:12
Speaker 1: for us to do because both of us had experiences
1:09:17
Speaker 1: growing up and so we both were all like open
1:09:20
Speaker 1: and pain those to attract all these kinds of crazy experiences,
1:09:23
Speaker 1: and so we're both like, let's just go seek it
1:09:25
Speaker 1: out this one time. But it was crazy. We adn't
1:09:28
Speaker 1: planned our airbnb to be connected to all this activity,
1:09:32
Speaker 1: but the airbnb we happened to say that was one
1:09:36
Speaker 1: of these cases, was the renovated old house. And we
1:09:42
Speaker 1: walked to the Airbnb and there was the buck on
1:09:45
Speaker 1: the tble to like you guld log where everyone was
1:09:48
Speaker 1: coming from. Right beside that book was this other book
1:09:53
Speaker 1: and it was this old diary of all these old women.
1:09:58
Speaker 1: And I guess when they end this. And there was
1:10:00
Speaker 1: a letter that said the story above this second book
1:10:04
Speaker 1: came from And I guess when they were renovating this
1:10:07
Speaker 1: house they found this book in this diary in the
1:10:11
Speaker 1: wall with all these pictures. And I guess this guy
1:10:14
Speaker 1: would get all these in like the like forties, would
1:10:21
Speaker 1: have all these women come to this house and he
1:10:23
Speaker 1: would pick photos of them, and this was like his diary.
1:10:27
Speaker 1: And then they found it in this house's wall and
1:10:31
Speaker 1: we're like, well, this is crazy. We're looking through it
1:10:34
Speaker 1: and we're talking about it and I look over and
1:10:37
Speaker 1: on the bed I see a figure just hanging out
1:10:40
Speaker 1: and I'm like, do you see this? This is there
1:10:45
Speaker 1: was a guy hanging around the bed right now. And
1:10:50
Speaker 1: my friend looks over and she's like what, Like it was?
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