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No Bad Days: Masai Russell Talks Confidence Over Cockiness & Shifting From Hurdling Underdog To The One To Beat · Hurdle with Emily Abbate

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Speaker 1: When that gun goes off, like what everyone else says,
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Speaker 1: like none of that matters, Like of course, thank you
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Speaker 1: guys for seeing something in me. But at the end
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Speaker 1: of the day, MASSI is the one that has to
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Speaker 1: get on that line, execute it, do it, and really
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Speaker 1: not talk about it, but really do it.
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Speaker 2: What's shaking everyone?
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Speaker 3: Emily Body Here, you are listening to another episode of Hurdle,
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Speaker 3: a podcast featuring the mindset, secrets, and true stories of
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Speaker 3: the most inspiring women in sports and wellness, empowering you
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Speaker 3: to live a healthier, happier, more motivated life and.
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Speaker 2: Of course conquer your own hurdles.
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Speaker 3: This week, I am giddy to sit back down with
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Speaker 3: the absolute powerhouse that is Messiah Russell. We recorded this
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Speaker 3: interview together over at Nike's global headquarters just last week,
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Speaker 3: brush off of her mind blowing twelve fourteen, the second
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Speaker 3: fastest one hundred meter hurdle time in history.
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Speaker 2: But the momentum did not stop.
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Speaker 3: There, because just this past weekend she went out and
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Speaker 3: completely dominated one hundred meter hurdles of the pre Classic,
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Speaker 3: matching the meat record with a stellar time of twelve
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Speaker 3: twenty four. I always love the chance to sit down
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Speaker 3: with Massi. We first talked for the show. I'll link
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Speaker 3: that episode in the show notes. Last October, leading up
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Speaker 3: to the New York City Marathon, she was in town.
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Speaker 3: It was a vibe, and of course this conversation no
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Speaker 3: shortage of inspiration from this legend. We talk about the
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Speaker 3: difference between having confidence and being cocky. We talk about
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Speaker 3: how she gets.
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Speaker 2: Her mind right when there are so.
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Speaker 3: Many expectations based on her stellar recent performances, and how
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Speaker 3: it feels to be in contention for a world record.
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Speaker 3: It's only a matter of time, she says, and that
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Speaker 3: is what makes me so excited. It's her relentless pursuit
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Speaker 3: of her greatness, her confident attitude. This was one of
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Speaker 3: those conversations that I felt like a better version of
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Speaker 3: myself after we were done, going into the rest of
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Speaker 3: my day, and I hope that.
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Speaker 2: You feel the same way.
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Speaker 3: Speaking of being at Nike's headquarters, I do have an
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Speaker 2: For the rest of.
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Speaker 3: as a part of a special after Dark Tour series
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Speaker 3: celebrating the race, and I have the good fortune of
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Speaker 3: helping produce it. I'm actually in the first episode of
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Speaker 2: Goes live today, So beyond me.
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Speaker 3: Lookout for that, listen wherever you listen to this podcast,
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Speaker 3: and a huge shout out to the entire phenomenal team
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Speaker 2: This has been a joy.
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Speaker 3: I am honored to be a woman working in sport
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Speaker 3: right now. I am so excited to continue to elevate
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Speaker 3: and uplift her voice around the world, and so I
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Speaker 3: will continue to do it.
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Speaker 2: You're un Hurdle.
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Speaker 3: I will help coach be do it over there, and
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Speaker 3: as always, I want to hear from you. So if
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Speaker 3: And with that, let's get to it. Let's get it's
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Speaker 3: a hurdling today. I am sitting down with Massih Russell.
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Speaker 3: She's an Olympic champion. Her reputation precedes her. Welcome back
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Speaker 3: to hurdles to the SAI. How are we doing.
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Speaker 4: I'm good, I'm amazing.
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Speaker 2: I'm amazing.
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Speaker 3: Happy to be here, happy to be here. We are
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Speaker 3: at p h K right now, the proper name for Nikes.
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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, oh yeah, we're here.
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Speaker 3: Okay, Yeah, I know I just asked you how you're doing.
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Speaker 2: But how are you doing? Really? We're a few days
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Speaker 2: out from PRE.
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Speaker 3: This is gonna go live shortly after PRE, so how
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Speaker 3: are you doing really right now?
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Speaker 4: Yeah? I'm doing really really well.
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Speaker 1: I mean, of course, at this very moment, I've had
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Speaker 1: a really really early start this morning. But yeah, to
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Speaker 1: be here, to make you here, to be present, I'm happy.
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Speaker 1: I'm blessing. You know, organ is not close, so I'm
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Speaker 1: just happy to be here.
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Speaker 2: Yeah.
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Speaker 3: Are you someone that struggles with the jet lag like
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Speaker 3: I struggle with the jet lag because I'm coming from
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Speaker 3: New York, you're coming from Kentucky.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, okay, Yeah, I don't struggle too too bad.
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Speaker 1: I just like to get in two days before I
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Speaker 1: compete so I can just like chill walk around, like
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Speaker 1: not even think about the race, just free flowing and
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Speaker 1: just existing. So no, I don't really And I actually
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Speaker 1: like coming to the West Coast because I get to
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Speaker 1: gain three hours back.
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Speaker 2: Not mad about that, not mad about that.
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Speaker 3: Do you actually feel like you're capable of chilling walking
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Speaker 3: around not thinking about the race two days before the race? Yeah?
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Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I feel like that's been my strength this year.
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Speaker 1: Is just like when the race comes, like handle the
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Speaker 1: race for what it is at that time, but like
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Speaker 1: before and after, it's just like I have a life,
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Speaker 1: you know, I'm a sigh. I like to walk around,
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Speaker 1: I like to shop, I like to eat, I like
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Speaker 1: to do all these things. And then when I'm practicing
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Speaker 1: throughout the week, that doesn't change, and I'm still able
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Speaker 1: to run fast times in practice. So I'm like, why
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Speaker 1: does it have to change when you're approaching a competition
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Speaker 1: two days before or day before? You know?
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Speaker 3: Yeah, do you feel like you've always been capable of
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Speaker 3: kind of turning that switch on and off this something
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Speaker 3: that you said you're a little bit better at now.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I would say, as I'm getting older, and I'm
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Speaker 1: just like starting to realize, like this is just my job.
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Speaker 1: You know, like when you go to your job, you're
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Speaker 1: not like overthinking, you're not trying to change anything. It's
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Speaker 1: just showing up to do the job that you practice
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Speaker 1: and do every day. So I feel like, like I said,
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Speaker 1: as I've gotten older, I've definitely started to pick that
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Speaker 1: up more and more, and Yeah, I'm starting to love
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Speaker 1: it because it just has made track more enjoyable. It's
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Speaker 1: made my life more less stressful, not more stressful, less stressful,
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Speaker 1: and I'm able to just like be calm and free.
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Speaker 3: It's really special to hear you talk about it that way, firstly,
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Speaker 3: because a lot of people don't feel that way about
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Speaker 3: their job. They're not like, oh my god, how exciting
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Speaker 3: that I get to go do my job to day.
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Speaker 3: And you have found so much success in your job
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Speaker 3: in relatively a short amount of time. So it's like
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Speaker 3: you're on this upward trajectory and you're still able to
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Speaker 3: find the common that that's rare.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, no one hundred percent.
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Speaker 1: So that's why I feel like as I get older
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Speaker 1: every year, I feel like I learned. I feel like
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Speaker 1: I only get better, I only accomplish more, I only
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Speaker 1: learn more about myself. So you know, it is like
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Speaker 1: a strength that.
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Speaker 4: I've picked up. And like you said, a lot of
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Speaker 4: people don't love their jobs.
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Speaker 1: But I'm like, if I'm going to be doing this,
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Speaker 1: especially for the next couple of years, you know, by
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Speaker 1: the grace of God, I have to find the join it.
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Speaker 1: I can't be stressed, I can't be nervous. I can't
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Speaker 1: just get all rouled up over nothing. Like I know
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Speaker 1: how to hurdle, I know how to compete.
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Speaker 4: I know who I am. So it's like, go out
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Speaker 4: there and be you.
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Speaker 2: I love it. Go out there and be U.
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Speaker 3: Yes, speaking of knowing how to compete, you've been doing
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Speaker 3: it quite well, like I said, ye as of late
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Speaker 3: that twelve one four, How are we feeling because that
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Speaker 3: happens since the last time that I saw you.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I know it's actually insane, but I mean it's
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Speaker 1: everything that I would have expected anymore.
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Speaker 4: So it's not surprising. I know that there's more in
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Speaker 4: the tank.
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Speaker 1: I know what I was doing and training before that race,
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Speaker 1: So for me to even like think about the numbers
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Speaker 1: that I'm going to reach, the numbers that I'm going
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Speaker 1: to run, and I don't even want to put a
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Speaker 1: number on it because I honestly don't even know what
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Speaker 1: I'm capable of at this point.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, you know what I love about you is there
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Speaker 3: is such a distinct difference between knowing who you are,
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Speaker 3: knowing what you're capable of, and being what you're not,
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Speaker 3: which is cocky. Yeah, and you walk up to that
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Speaker 3: start and you are very sure of what you bring
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Speaker 3: to the table.
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Speaker 2: A lot of people struggle with that.
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Speaker 3: How have you gotten too this place where you can
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Speaker 3: separate the two, so between being cocky and then also
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Speaker 3: knowing what you bring to the table and then showing
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Speaker 3: up with that confidence.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I feel like in high school, I actually struggle
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Speaker 1: with this a lot because people were always like trying
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Speaker 1: to tell me that I was cocky. But I've never
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Speaker 1: seen that or like felt that way about myself. And
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Speaker 1: you know, I think it's just high school, you know,
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Speaker 1: like people not really understanding the definition of like what
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Speaker 1: Kaki is versus confidence. Like I've always had an im
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Speaker 1: missed level of confidence about me but I've also been
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Speaker 1: able to be a very tangible person. People can resonate
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Speaker 1: with my story in they not see it in a
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Speaker 1: cocky light, you know.
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Speaker 4: So I think for me, I mean, the way that
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Speaker 4: I view.
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Speaker 1: It is that I have had very humble beginnings. I
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Speaker 1: have not come from a winning background. I have had
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Speaker 1: to work for everything that I've gotten, which is why
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Speaker 1: I think that my audience and the people that follow me,
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Speaker 1: they're so you know my I feel like my my
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Speaker 1: fan base is so tight knit because of the confidence
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Speaker 1: that I zoo. But it's also in a way that
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Speaker 1: I'm so sure about myself, and it's also confidence in
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Speaker 1: the work that I put in, in all the hardships,
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Speaker 1: all the doubt, everything that has gone into it.
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Speaker 4: So it's not like, oh, I think I'm better than anybody.
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Speaker 1: It's I respect everybody, but I also know that I'm
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Speaker 1: just as great as everybody, if not the best out
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Speaker 1: there on the line.
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Speaker 3: If not the best. So let's talk a little bit
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Speaker 3: about that. How do you navigate the pressure that comes
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Speaker 3: with going into let's say a meat like pre How
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Speaker 3: do you speak to yourself leading up to a big
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Speaker 3: moment like that.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think last year, after the Olympics. It kind
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Speaker 1: of prepared me for where I'm at now, like twenty
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Speaker 1: twenty five. Like after the Olympics, it was like a
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Speaker 1: learning curve. It was all right, you're coming back into
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Speaker 1: the season as the Olympic champion. I didn't know what
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Speaker 1: that entailed. I didn't know what that looked like. I
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Speaker 1: didn't know what that felt like. I was confused when
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Speaker 1: I was going to the track and all these cameras
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Speaker 1: were on me, I'm like, oh, like, y'all are really
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Speaker 1: expecting for me to do something like I'm the Olympic Champion,
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Speaker 1: But in my mind, I'm still the same person. Well
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Speaker 1: I was the same person, but I'm still not MISSI
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Speaker 1: Ross to the Olympic champion. In my mind, I'm still
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Speaker 1: just Missi Russell with no accolades, know anything. So when
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Speaker 1: everyone one was putting all these expectations on me, I
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Speaker 1: was like, oh.
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Speaker 4: This is a different realm, you know, So I think
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Speaker 4: I had to learn what that looked like.
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Speaker 2: What did it look like it looked like?
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Speaker 1: For one surprisingly a lot of doubt. I was doubting
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Speaker 1: myself a lot. I'm like, okay, I have this title,
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Speaker 1: I'm expected to do what everyone expects of me. But
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Speaker 1: if I don't live up to that, then I feel
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Speaker 1: like I have no worth at all. And no one
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Speaker 1: should ever feel like that, regardless of if you've good
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Speaker 1: or not, Like no one could ever take away me
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Speaker 1: winning the Olympics ever, like that's setting stuff in history forever. So,
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Speaker 1: you know, it just looked a little different like last year.
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Speaker 1: It was just like I said, it was a learning curve.
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Speaker 1: It was just different. It was a different realm. It
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Speaker 1: was just it was a new space. And for me,
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Speaker 1: I also learned that my whole entire track career, I
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Speaker 1: was in the chase. I was the one trying to
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Speaker 1: get to the top spot. I was the underdog. So
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Speaker 1: I still kind of had that underdog mentality when I
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Speaker 1: already had won. I'm like, I am the reigning Olympic champion.
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Speaker 1: I have run twelve one twice. So now I had
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Speaker 1: to take a step back after the season last year
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Speaker 1: and realize I'm not the underdog no more, like I'm
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Speaker 1: the one who people are trying to get.
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Speaker 4: So my mindset has to shift.
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Speaker 1: And of course I didn't realize that because I've approached
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Speaker 1: track with that mindset my whole entire career. So That's
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Speaker 1: why I feel like, now, like I said, I'm learning
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Speaker 1: and we're starting to see the payoff of you know,
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Speaker 1: putting in that work, understanding who I am, changing my
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Speaker 1: mindset of like you're not the underdog no more. You're
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Speaker 1: you're the one. You're massy russel, you are talented, you're great.
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Speaker 1: You put the work in and that's the only thing
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Speaker 1: that you have to have confidence in. So that's why
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Speaker 1: I feel like once I get to the line, like
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Speaker 1: once I get to these meats, once I approach these races,
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Speaker 1: it's not a difference. It's just just do you be
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Speaker 1: who you know you are? Yeah, And it's just to
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Speaker 1: go out there and compete and be the best competitor
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Speaker 1: that I.
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Speaker 4: Know I can be.
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Speaker 3: It's so funny because it's like when you aren't on top,
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Speaker 3: you feel like you have less to lose, and then
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Speaker 3: you have this big moment where you come out the
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Speaker 3: champion and it's like, shoot, like here I am having
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Speaker 3: all of this doubt when you just showed yourself exactly
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Speaker 3: what you're capable of, which is so ironic and it's
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Speaker 3: so relatable, Like yeah, it's like it's almost scary.
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Speaker 4: To do the thing that you set out to do
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Speaker 4: no one hundred percent.
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Speaker 1: You said it so plainly, like it's it's almost like
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Speaker 1: a like a reverse psychology kind of thing, like when
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Speaker 1: you win, it's like now you feel like you have
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Speaker 1: way more to lose, and then when you're not, you're
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Speaker 1: just like kind of existing. Like and that's what that
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Speaker 1: was another thing that kind of like shifted in my
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Speaker 1: mindset where it's like now that I want, I feel
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Speaker 1: like I can't mess up.
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Speaker 4: I feel like I can't lose. I feel like I
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Speaker 4: can't have a bad.
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Speaker 1: Day, Whereas before anyone was paying any attention to me,
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Speaker 1: it's like, oh, I can have a bad day, and
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Speaker 1: you know, it could sweep under the rug. But I
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Speaker 1: feel like once you hone in on why you are
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Speaker 1: in the position that you're in and why you are
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Speaker 1: the person that you are, and once you just like
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Speaker 1: change your perspective on it, I think that that's where
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Speaker 1: you know, true legacy starts to be built. I feel
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Speaker 1: like that's where everything just starts to change because I
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Speaker 1: feel like I kind of steered away from the competition.
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Speaker 4: I kind of steered away from wanting to be in
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Speaker 4: the spotlight.
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Speaker 1: I wanted to and not I mean, of course, I
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Speaker 1: didn't like display that, but I didn't want the attention
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Speaker 1: to be on me when I was going to racist.
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Speaker 4: But now I like I kind of feed off of that.
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Speaker 1: I'm like, you know, people are expecting from me to
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Speaker 1: run fast, people are expecting these things to me.
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Speaker 4: I'm gonna give them a show. Like that's my mindset.
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Speaker 1: It's like like I feel like sometimes like us as humans,
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Speaker 1: like we just like take the negative outlook or we
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Speaker 1: take the safe outlook because we're scared to step into
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Speaker 1: like what we're really meant to do. But sometimes it's like,
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Speaker 1: you know, you can only respect somebody trying. Like, the
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Speaker 1: first thing you got to do is try. The first
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Speaker 1: thing you have to do is step into who you are.
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Speaker 1: And then I feel like once you can trust yourself
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Speaker 1: to step into what you can do and you show
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Speaker 1: yourself that you're able to do it, that's where I
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Speaker 1: feel like it's just open game.
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Speaker 3: The hitters are the people that aren't even willing to try.
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Speaker 3: Oh absolutely, It's like the people sitting on the couch.
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Speaker 3: They're sitting on the couch, they're not getting out there,
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Speaker 3: they're not putting themselves out there.
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Speaker 2: And here you are showing up and you're doing it
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Speaker 2: the best that you can.
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Speaker 3: Speaking of the best, speaking of good, when you have
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Speaker 3: a good practice, when you have a good effort, Describe
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Speaker 3: how that feels to me.
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Speaker 1: I mean, it really feels amazing, because I mean, I
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Speaker 1: put so much work into my craft, so I don't.
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Speaker 1: I don't want to say I don't really have bad
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Speaker 1: days anymore.
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Speaker 4: But I'm so detail oriented.
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Speaker 1: I pay so much attention to like how I'm striking
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Speaker 1: the hurdle, how I'm striking the ground, what I'm doing,
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Speaker 1: So like I feel like I've I'm now sharpening.
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Speaker 4: This statue of like just greatness.
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Speaker 1: So like I feel like when I was younger, when
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Speaker 1: I was first starting to learn how to hurdle, like
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Speaker 1: even my freshman year in college, like I was still
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Speaker 1: learning how to like really hurdle because I started as
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Speaker 1: a four hundred hurdler, you know, I was like, I
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Speaker 1: never seen it as a bad day because it's like
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Speaker 1: it's always a day to grow.
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Speaker 4: So I don't.
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Speaker 1: I haven't had a bad day in a long time
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Speaker 1: where I'm like disappointed, but like those good days, Like
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Speaker 1: I mean, honestly, every time I leave the track, I
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Speaker 1: just know that I've done everything that I can, and
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Speaker 1: it leaves me with the smile on my face because
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Speaker 1: I mean, I can't go no harder than what I'm
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Speaker 1: doing right now. So it's like the only thing I
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Speaker 1: can do is sleep good at night, trust what I
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Speaker 1: put into this, and let the results speak for themselves.
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Speaker 3: There's so much power in the perspective that you're choosing. Yeah,
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Speaker 3: there is so much power in the perspective that you're choosing,
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Speaker 3: which is I don't have bad days, right. You're speaking
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Speaker 3: that into existence, you are speaking it to be. Maybe
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Speaker 3: not everything is going to go always as I would hope. However,
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Speaker 3: I am willing to give it everything I can each
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Speaker 3: and every time that I show up, and by doing that,
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Speaker 3: I don't have bad days again. So many people struggle
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Speaker 3: with seeing that side of the coin, with seeing missed
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Speaker 3: opportunity maybe or things not going as they'd hoped as
16:44
Speaker 3: something that is happening for them. Was there a specific
16:48
Speaker 3: moment where you realize that there could be so much
16:51
Speaker 3: power in this positive perspective.
16:54
Speaker 4: I think for me, I started to change my perspective
16:58
Speaker 4: just on life.
16:59
Speaker 1: My last year in college, all my friends were going
17:03
Speaker 1: pro all my friends were at the World Championships. I
17:06
Speaker 1: honestly don't even know what I was thinking about when
17:08
Speaker 1: I was competing, like my first four years, Like I
17:10
Speaker 1: don't even know what my mindset was.
17:11
Speaker 4: I feel like I was just kind of existing.
17:13
Speaker 1: But then I think once I kind of locked into
17:16
Speaker 1: the mindset, locked into the perspective that I took to
17:20
Speaker 1: track that I took on myself, I think that that's
17:24
Speaker 1: where like the major shift started to occur because I
17:26
Speaker 1: started to just.
17:27
Speaker 4: Be aware of my thoughts.
17:30
Speaker 1: I was aware of what I was, what I was thinking,
17:34
Speaker 1: and how I wanted to be perceived, how I wanted
17:36
Speaker 1: to be, Like I just kind of was just existing,
17:38
Speaker 1: like I wasn't even thinking. So then once I started
17:41
Speaker 1: to put more effort into speaking, speaking, positive speaking life,
17:46
Speaker 1: writing down my goals, doing all these things to just see,
17:49
Speaker 1: like you know, you never know what could come out
17:52
Speaker 1: of it until you try once again, Like if you try,
17:57
Speaker 1: like you've already won half the battle, and you saw
18:01
Speaker 1: a profound chef, And I saw an immense shift, like
18:05
Speaker 1: it was insane, Like at that year, I broke the
18:08
Speaker 1: collegiate record indoor and outdoor.
18:11
Speaker 4: We're in twelve thirty six.
18:12
Speaker 1: My best at that time was twelve seventy one, and
18:15
Speaker 1: then I'll ropped from twelve to seventy one to twelve
18:17
Speaker 1: thirty six, and yeah, it was just crazy. So I
18:19
Speaker 1: feel like when you just lock into who you are,
18:22
Speaker 1: lock into your thoughts, understand that all thoughts aren't bad thoughts,
18:26
Speaker 1: that your thoughts are just your thoughts and what you
18:28
Speaker 1: put flesh into or what you put life into, that's
18:32
Speaker 1: the reality that you'll get out of it. But like, like,
18:35
Speaker 1: quiet your brain down. Sometimes it'll tell you things that
18:37
Speaker 1: like aren't true, Like you're the one that can decide
18:40
Speaker 1: what is true. Not a thought of negativity coming in
18:44
Speaker 1: your mind, It doesn't have anything to do with you.
18:46
Speaker 1: It's like, are you gonna receive that and believe that
18:49
Speaker 1: or are you gonna like, no, this is my reality
18:51
Speaker 1: and this is what I'm gonna do.
18:52
Speaker 3: Yeah, you get to decide why you respond to your thoughts.
18:55
Speaker 3: You mentioned going from twelve seven at twelve three a
18:58
Speaker 3: lot different than you going from twelve one four to
19:01
Speaker 3: twelve one.
19:01
Speaker 2: Too.
19:01
Speaker 3: When we're talking about gains and improvements that are so microscopic,
19:07
Speaker 3: you've got to dial in really on your strengths physically,
19:11
Speaker 3: what would you say those hundredths of a second, where
19:15
Speaker 3: are those coming from for you right now.
19:17
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think for me, the biggest thing is just
19:19
Speaker 1: gonna come from just reacting from the ground and yeah,
19:24
Speaker 1: just powering through the finish line.
19:26
Speaker 4: I ran a really like clean race.
19:28
Speaker 1: I still don't feel like I was like one hundred
19:30
Speaker 1: percent press all the way to the finish line when
19:32
Speaker 1: I ran my twelve fourteen, And like I was saying earlier,
19:35
Speaker 1: like where I was at in training was like not
19:38
Speaker 1: really conducive for a twelve fourteen, which was really impressive
19:42
Speaker 1: to me. So I know, like what we've done this week,
19:46
Speaker 1: you know, just kind of like backing off just a
19:47
Speaker 1: little bit. You know, we still have a long season,
19:50
Speaker 1: but yeah, just getting prepared for this weekend has been
19:52
Speaker 1: fun because it's just like like I told you, like
19:54
Speaker 1: I don't I don't even know what I'm capable of.
19:56
Speaker 1: I'm not putting a number on it. I've heard a
19:58
Speaker 1: lot of people putting numbers on like what they believe
20:00
Speaker 1: that I can do. So I'm like I received that.
20:02
Speaker 1: I received that once again. I'm not like shutting it down.
20:05
Speaker 1: I'm not like not stepping into what people see of me.
20:07
Speaker 1: Like it's a blessing for people to be like, oh,
20:10
Speaker 1: you're gonna break the wor record, You're gonna do this,
20:11
Speaker 1: You're gonna do that, Like and I've been saying it
20:12
Speaker 1: for a long time.
20:13
Speaker 2: And pressure is a privilege.
20:15
Speaker 4: Yeah, And I think I told you that when we
20:17
Speaker 4: talked the first time.
20:18
Speaker 2: Yeah.
20:18
Speaker 1: And like I said last year, when I was going
20:21
Speaker 1: into World Championships, like everyone expected for me to win,
20:24
Speaker 1: like I didn't really understand how to like navigate that.
20:26
Speaker 4: I didn't.
20:26
Speaker 1: I feel like I put what everyone else thought of
20:29
Speaker 1: me on my plate in my mind. So like you know,
20:33
Speaker 1: of course, like people telling me I'm gonna bak the
20:34
Speaker 1: war record, I'm just like at the end of the day,
20:36
Speaker 1: like I have to do it.
20:36
Speaker 4: At the end of the day.
20:37
Speaker 1: I have to compete at the end of the day
20:39
Speaker 1: when that gun goes off, like what everyone else says,
20:41
Speaker 1: like none of that matters, Like, of course, thank you
20:43
Speaker 1: guys for seeing something in me. But at the end
20:45
Speaker 1: of the day, Massa is the one that has to
20:47
Speaker 1: get on that line, execute it, do it, and really
20:50
Speaker 1: not talk about it, but really do it. So yeah,
20:53
Speaker 1: it's not about really like impressing the world. It's just
20:56
Speaker 1: like show a mess out who I believe that I am.
20:59
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, say, we're quantifying your speed here by
21:02
Speaker 3: the time that you cross that line. But when you
21:04
Speaker 3: think about what speed feels like, what speed means to you,
21:09
Speaker 3: tell me what comes up.
21:10
Speaker 1: I think the main thing that comes up to me
21:12
Speaker 1: when I think about speed is just like being free,
21:15
Speaker 1: being light, like just flowing in the wind. And yeah,
21:19
Speaker 1: just like it's just effortless, you know, just like feeling
21:22
Speaker 1: just feeling light, feeling effortless, and just doing what I'm
21:26
Speaker 1: meant to do. I feel like I've always I've always
21:28
Speaker 1: raced boys, I've always raced against my brothers, I've always
21:32
Speaker 1: beat people in field day.
21:33
Speaker 4: I was just looking at the kids and at the field.
21:35
Speaker 1: Day, I'm like, wow, like this is a great time,
21:37
Speaker 1: Like and I feel like it's just pure to what
21:40
Speaker 1: we've all done growing up. Like everyone wants to race,
21:42
Speaker 1: everyone wants to see who's the fastest. So the fact
21:45
Speaker 1: that now I'm able to translate my speed to the track,
21:47
Speaker 1: translate what I've done as a kid to a profession
21:50
Speaker 1: to change the world, to change lives, it's truly, truly,
21:54
Speaker 1: truly like been an honor. Like when I think about it,
21:56
Speaker 1: I can honestly get emotional because who I am now
22:00
Speaker 1: was like who I used to look up to.
22:01
Speaker 4: So it's really an honor.
22:03
Speaker 2: It's it's so.
22:04
Speaker 3: Cool, and I get goosebumps as you talk about it,
22:06
Speaker 3: because thinking about a younger you, we all think about
22:09
Speaker 3: that person. We all do things as we come into
22:11
Speaker 3: this adulthood where we're doing things that our younger self
22:14
Speaker 3: would be proud of.
22:15
Speaker 2: And what is so special sometimes is when.
22:18
Speaker 3: You realize that you're not living the life that you
22:21
Speaker 3: dreamed of, because now you're doing things that you never
22:24
Speaker 3: could have even aspired to. Like you, as a young girl,
22:27
Speaker 3: never thought I'm going to break a world record in
22:29
Speaker 3: the one hundred meter hurdles. O.
22:31
Speaker 1: Never like, I mean, my biggest goal is like literally
22:34
Speaker 1: just to make the Olympics, like and I don't I
22:36
Speaker 1: didn't care however that looked.
22:38
Speaker 4: I'm like, I just want to be an Olympian. And
22:39
Speaker 4: you could have you could be in speed skating, yeah,
22:41
Speaker 4: like in that could right, I didn't know what that
22:43
Speaker 4: would look like.
22:44
Speaker 1: I just wanted to be an Olympian, but like, okay,
22:46
Speaker 1: to become an Olympian, but then also when the Olympics,
22:49
Speaker 1: then to also become the American record holder, then to
22:52
Speaker 1: also become All Diamond League record holder, US Child's record holder,
22:57
Speaker 1: Like all.
22:57
Speaker 4: These things, I'm just like, whoa like?
22:59
Speaker 1: I didn't think that this is like all in the plan,
23:01
Speaker 1: you know, So it's surely a blessing as always, So
23:04
Speaker 1: people like just keep dreaming, keep believing, keep trusting in yourself,
23:07
Speaker 1: Like you have to be your own biggest cheerleader. You
23:10
Speaker 1: have to believe in yourself, and you just have to
23:14
Speaker 1: have like yourself surrounded by good people. If you're not
23:16
Speaker 1: surrounded by the right people, the people who you're around
23:18
Speaker 1: can really determine who you become.
23:20
Speaker 2: It's so true.
23:21
Speaker 3: And for you, with again all of these eyes on you,
23:24
Speaker 3: it becomes of the utmost importance for you.
23:27
Speaker 2: Just stay in your own lane.
23:29
Speaker 3: Obviously there's a pun there about being on the track,
23:31
Speaker 3: But for you, how do you keep the blinders on?
23:35
Speaker 3: How do you focus on the thoughts that MESSI has
23:38
Speaker 3: instead of what you're hearing all around you, the times
23:41
Speaker 3: that people are projecting.
23:42
Speaker 2: Yeah, that sort of thing.
23:43
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think it just always will go back to,
23:45
Speaker 1: like my training, It'll always go back to what I
23:48
Speaker 1: practice in just the confidence that I've that I have
23:51
Speaker 1: in the work that I put in. This year, I
23:53
Speaker 1: put in work every year, like that's one thing that
23:56
Speaker 1: like no one has to worry about with me. But
23:58
Speaker 1: like this year, I feel like it's been more strategic,
24:00
Speaker 1: it's been more consistent. I've always been able to run
24:03
Speaker 1: fast times, but sometimes it'll look like this, sometimes it
24:05
Speaker 1: look like that.
24:06
Speaker 4: Sometimes it'll be inconsistent for me.
24:08
Speaker 1: This year, for like, the consistency and my training, the
24:11
Speaker 1: consistency and the attention to detail has made the biggest
24:15
Speaker 1: difference in how I approach competition, because.
24:18
Speaker 4: It's not what is it going to be, It's just
24:20
Speaker 4: it's another day.
24:21
Speaker 1: It's another day, same ten hurdles, maybe a different race,
24:25
Speaker 1: maybe a different field, but the hurdles stay the same.
24:28
Speaker 4: I stay the same. Nothing really changes.
24:30
Speaker 1: It's just about showing up and executing and once again
24:34
Speaker 1: keeping those blinders on like you said, and I mean
24:38
Speaker 1: like I will continue to go back to like last year,
24:40
Speaker 1: just prepare me for where I'm at. You know, sometimes
24:42
Speaker 1: we don't always understand why we go through the things
24:44
Speaker 1: that we go through, you know, coming up short at
24:46
Speaker 1: the World Championships, coming forth, like sometimes those things don't
24:50
Speaker 1: make sense. But then like when you get down the
24:52
Speaker 1: road and when you look at where you're headed and
24:53
Speaker 1: where you're going and what you've accomplished. It's like, Okay,
24:55
Speaker 1: I had to have that loss. I had to have
24:57
Speaker 1: that experience to get to where I'm at now. So
25:00
Speaker 1: every that's why I say I feel like I would
25:01
Speaker 1: never lose, like I will literally, Yeah, statistically I may lose,
25:05
Speaker 1: but everything from a loss, I always take it as
25:08
Speaker 1: a lesson to just set me up for where I'm at,
25:11
Speaker 1: and I continue to like just shock myself because I'm
25:14
Speaker 1: just like every single time I feel like I'm doubted.
25:16
Speaker 4: Every single time I like.
25:17
Speaker 1: I statistically lose, it's like I always turn it around
25:22
Speaker 1: for something greater.
25:40
Speaker 3: You said, it has been really about attention to detail
25:44
Speaker 3: this time around.
25:45
Speaker 2: When you say that, give me some of the details.
25:47
Speaker 2: What are we paying attention?
25:48
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm just like really focusing in on my start.
25:51
Speaker 1: I'm focusing in on just how I approached the hurdle,
25:55
Speaker 1: what I'm eating, how much I'm sleeping, Like I was
25:57
Speaker 1: doing all these things of course last year, but it
26:00
Speaker 1: just wasn't consistent across the board. Like I was sleeping
26:03
Speaker 1: really well, but I wasn't eating all the way as
26:06
Speaker 1: healthy as I could all the time.
26:08
Speaker 4: You know, I had some pizza earlier. But hey, you know,
26:10
Speaker 4: you gotta have a little fun here and there.
26:13
Speaker 1: But but yeah, like really just being intentional on my
26:18
Speaker 1: I feel like my block starts like just really focusing
26:20
Speaker 1: on my start, focusing on being consistent in my start,
26:23
Speaker 1: my power.
26:25
Speaker 4: Just like yeah, just being consistent in my blocks, because
26:28
Speaker 4: I know, for me, once.
26:29
Speaker 1: I get over the first two hurdles, like I will
26:32
Speaker 1: always say, even before I had like I feel like
26:36
Speaker 1: getting close to perfecting my start, I was like, you know,
26:38
Speaker 1: as long as I get to the first two hurdles,
26:39
Speaker 1: like I know, a lot of people can't compete with me.
26:41
Speaker 1: So like now I feel like I'm gotting that on
26:43
Speaker 1: lock and then like my foot speed, everything is just
26:46
Speaker 1: like the blocks is just to set up for everything.
26:48
Speaker 1: So once I get my blocks like consistently the same
26:53
Speaker 1: every single time, like which I have this year, but
26:55
Speaker 1: like of course like even more consistency, just still practicing it,
26:58
Speaker 1: just making sure that it's like ingrained my brain, I
27:01
Speaker 1: think that that's where we'll see like even crazier time.
27:05
Speaker 1: So that's why I say I'm not putting a number
27:07
Speaker 1: on anything. Yeah, a lot of people have putting numbers
27:09
Speaker 1: on like what they believe what do they say? I mean,
27:12
Speaker 1: I've heard twelve o seven, twelve o.
27:14
Speaker 2: Seven some have said some have said twelve o seven.
27:17
Speaker 1: Yeah, some have said twelve oh seven. I've heard sub twelve,
27:19
Speaker 1: like eleven nine or something.
27:22
Speaker 2: I can't even take a deep breath in.
27:24
Speaker 1: Yeah, I know, But like you know, when you just
27:26
Speaker 1: see I mean, I mean I watched an Cuba's and
27:29
Speaker 1: seeing Jacobe Thart run twelve seventy five, like break the record,
27:32
Speaker 1: I'm like, that doesn't even look right, you know what
27:35
Speaker 1: I'm saying. So I feel like the people, you know,
27:37
Speaker 1: when I run sub twelve. Yeah, I've always said that.
27:39
Speaker 1: I feel like I could be the first woman to
27:41
Speaker 1: break twelve seconds in the hundred hurdles. It's gonna look
27:44
Speaker 1: it's gonna look like what the heck, you know, But
27:46
Speaker 1: then the way the evolution works, it's like it takes
27:49
Speaker 1: one person and show that it's possible, then everyone else
27:52
Speaker 1: kind of comes along. So I just want to be
27:53
Speaker 1: that trailblazer to really pave the way for something that
27:57
Speaker 1: no one could have ever seen.
27:59
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm sure as you were coming up in sport,
28:02
Speaker 3: there were individuals and other women that you watched and
28:05
Speaker 3: thought that's exactly who I want to be.
28:07
Speaker 4: Yeah, no one, That's how I feel about Dawn.
28:10
Speaker 1: That's how I feel about I Mean, I don't run
28:11
Speaker 1: the four hundred anymore, but like syn Rache's ross, like
28:13
Speaker 1: I used to run the four hundred, I'm like, oh,
28:14
Speaker 1: I want to be like her. I want to win
28:16
Speaker 1: gold medals at the Olympics. I want to look this
28:18
Speaker 1: good while doing it, you know, just doing it to
28:20
Speaker 1: the best, you know. So I feel like, yeah, it's
28:24
Speaker 1: it's you know, I'm speechless because you just never know,
28:29
Speaker 1: like what your life will will be when you just
28:32
Speaker 1: continue to dream and believe.
28:33
Speaker 3: Yeah, and as you continue to dream and believe, you
28:36
Speaker 3: have a number of tools at your disposal that help
28:38
Speaker 3: you show up and show out.
28:40
Speaker 2: I know among those tools the shoes that you're wearing
28:43
Speaker 2: on the track.
28:43
Speaker 3: And something that's super interesting to me is that you've
28:46
Speaker 3: had an opportunity through your work as a Nike athlete
28:49
Speaker 3: to give feedback and be a part of that feedback loop.
28:52
Speaker 2: What's that process like for you? I want to touch
28:54
Speaker 2: on that before I let you go to that.
28:55
Speaker 1: Yeah. I think for me, I haven't said too too much.
28:58
Speaker 1: I feel like I'm still like the new you on
29:00
Speaker 1: the block, like when it comes to Nike. But I
29:03
Speaker 1: mean anything I've ever asked for, like Nike has you know,
29:06
Speaker 1: given me the resources, They've been able to support me.
29:09
Speaker 1: Anytime I ask for a million spikes, they provide me
29:11
Speaker 1: with that because I feel like I have to have
29:13
Speaker 1: a new pair of spikes almost every single time I
29:15
Speaker 1: can pee. So you know, they're just trying to, of course,
29:17
Speaker 1: make sure that we're able to do our job at
29:19
Speaker 1: the best that we can possibly do it at. And
29:21
Speaker 1: I mean even being overseas when you know your luggage
29:25
Speaker 1: is lost, like people are in place to make sure
29:27
Speaker 1: that you have that proper support so it never goes unseen.
29:30
Speaker 1: And I mean I'm always grateful for, you know, my sponsor,
29:33
Speaker 1: because they make sure that, like I'm comfortable, cozy, and
29:36
Speaker 1: I'm able to perform at the highest level I can.
29:38
Speaker 3: You touched on this before, but for you, you often
29:42
Speaker 3: look in the mirror and it's not like the first
29:43
Speaker 3: thing that you see is MESSI Russell and Olympic champion,
29:46
Speaker 3: something that's about to break and putting it into the universe,
29:49
Speaker 3: the world record for the one hundred meter hurdles. But
29:52
Speaker 3: someone comes to your Instagram page, and that's who they
29:54
Speaker 3: see when you look in the mirror, MESSI what is
29:56
Speaker 3: it that you see looking back at you?
29:58
Speaker 1: Shoot, I don't even some honestly, I feel like that's why,
30:01
Speaker 1: like people always say like, I'm so humble, because I
30:03
Speaker 1: feel like sometimes, which is always a good thing, I
30:05
Speaker 1: forget who I am. It's like, you know, you gotta
30:07
Speaker 1: have a fine line, like you got to remember who
30:09
Speaker 1: you are but also respect everyone that you're around. But
30:11
Speaker 1: I do think that that's what makes me feel so
30:14
Speaker 1: tangible to people and so lovable, like like people like
30:18
Speaker 1: just love me. I mean just love yeah, you know,
30:21
Speaker 1: like people like and I'm just like every time I
30:23
Speaker 1: hear how like I've impacted someone's story, I've impacted someone's journey,
30:26
Speaker 1: I'm always like taking it back because I'm like, I'm
30:29
Speaker 1: just like existing. I'm just doing what i feel like
30:31
Speaker 1: i'm called to do. I'm just going to the track.
30:33
Speaker 1: I'm working hard, I'm being good to people. You know,
30:35
Speaker 1: I'm doing my part. So then when I see what
30:39
Speaker 1: I put out come back to me, I'm always like, oh, shoot,
30:42
Speaker 1: like I forget that, you know, people look up to
30:44
Speaker 1: me like this, I forget because I'm just like still
30:47
Speaker 1: locked in on like just being the best me and
30:49
Speaker 1: it really inspires me. So sometimes for me, when I
30:52
Speaker 1: look in the mirror, I don't usually see what like
30:54
Speaker 1: the rest of the world sees. I just see like
30:56
Speaker 1: someone that really doesn't have anything yet, you know, which
30:59
Speaker 1: ound's crazy, But it's like I still have things that
31:01
Speaker 1: I need to accomplish, the still things that I want
31:03
Speaker 1: to accomplish that I know I will accomplish. To consider
31:06
Speaker 1: myself one of the goats, one of the greats, one
31:08
Speaker 1: of the legends in this sport, I have to break
31:10
Speaker 1: more records. I have to get more medals, I have
31:12
Speaker 1: to win more Diamond League titles. I have to do
31:13
Speaker 1: all these things. So for me, of course, for the
31:16
Speaker 1: rest of the world, it's like, oh, Massa the Goat,
31:18
Speaker 1: But like to me, it's like MASSI that, yeah, she
31:20
Speaker 1: won the Olympics, but I'm gonna do it again. I
31:23
Speaker 1: want to do it again and again and again so
31:25
Speaker 1: that it can be undeniable of what greatness looks like
31:30
Speaker 1: and who Massai Russell is, because I feel like a
31:32
Speaker 1: lot of people downplay who I am sometimes and of
31:36
Speaker 1: course like I don't do it to like shut people up,
31:39
Speaker 1: but you know, sometimes you gotta let people remember, like
31:42
Speaker 1: you know, I'm not I'm not to be played with.
31:44
Speaker 2: You let it out.
31:46
Speaker 3: You gotta let them know so you heard it here. First,
31:48
Speaker 3: we've got a twenty twenty four Olympics. We've got a
31:49
Speaker 3: twenty twenty eight Olympics. We've got a twenty thirty two Olympics. Besides,
31:52
Speaker 3: like I'm gonna keep on coming back for more, Well.
31:55
Speaker 1: I ain't gonna keep coming back. Like you know, if
31:57
Speaker 1: if it's over, you know, I'm a respect really hang
32:00
Speaker 1: it up. But I'm saying, at the time where I
32:03
Speaker 1: am in my prime in quotes, doing my thing, I'm
32:07
Speaker 1: able to make a difference in this sport. I told myself,
32:10
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna regret not doing what I know I
32:13
Speaker 1: could do with this time that I have. Now, I
32:15
Speaker 1: feel like a lot of people, you know, no knock
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Speaker 1: to anybody, but I feel like a lot of people
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Speaker 1: miss out on the time that they have of getting
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Speaker 1: and then when it's at the end of their career
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Speaker 1: they're trying to get it back.
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Speaker 4: It's like, no, like, I have the opportunity, now, I
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Speaker 4: have what it takes. Now, I have the body, now, I.
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Speaker 1: Have everything now because I'm not going to be able
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Speaker 1: to run for the rest of my life, definitely, And
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Speaker 1: I want to make a difference now, like because what
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Speaker 1: are we waiting for? It Like saying that we have
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Speaker 1: tomorrow is like even like it's crazy because you don't
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Speaker 1: know what tomorrow brains like, make a difference today.
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Speaker 3: It's just like you said before, Yes, pressure is a privilege,
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Speaker 3: but also presence is a privilege, and hearing how present
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Speaker 3: you are and what you have going on right now,
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Speaker 3: it is what enables you to be so good yes,
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Speaker 3: at what you do. So final question, right now, you
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Speaker 3: have an option side to offer yourself a piece of advice.
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Speaker 3: Let's talk about where you went before, in those moments
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Speaker 3: where you realize, okay, shoot, I'm an Olympic champion, I'm
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Speaker 3: showing up. I have a target on my back and
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Speaker 3: that can feel really overwhelming. But knowing what you know now,
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Speaker 3: what advice do you offer to yourself when you're thinking
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Speaker 3: about that target?
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Speaker 1: Yeah? I think the biggest thing that I the advice
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Speaker 1: that I'm given to myself, my past self or even
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Speaker 1: just Massia right now is just like you put the
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Speaker 1: work in, there's no reason to doubt, there's no reason
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Speaker 1: to change anything. You've been consistent in everything that you've done,
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Speaker 1: so just be you, be free in whatever the result is.
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Speaker 4: Be happy with the result, but never regret.
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Speaker 2: Never regret Massi Russell. I'm so happy that we were able.
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Speaker 4: To sit down.
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Speaker 3: For those that aren't following along with you just yet
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Speaker 3: on the socials, let them know.
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Speaker 2: How do they find you?
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Speaker 1: Yeah, you guys can find me honestly across any platform, YouTube, Instagram, TikTok.
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Speaker 4: No no samp chick.
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Speaker 1: At Massi, m A S A I Underscore Russell r
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Speaker 1: U S S two S S two l's and yeah, honestly,
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Speaker 1: after you look at Messiah, it should come up.
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Speaker 2: It'll be number one. It'll be number one.
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Speaker 3: I'm over at Hurdle podcast at Emilia Vadi another hurdle conquered.
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Speaker 2: Catch you guys next time