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The Kenny Report | 5 May · The Kenny Report

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  Speaker 1: Line from the skying New Center.
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  Speaker 2: This is the Kenny Report.
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  Speaker 3: Thanks for joining me for the first Kenny Report in
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  Speaker 3: the second term of the alb and Easy Labor government.
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  Speaker 3: Now most of us expected that to happen, of course,
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  Speaker 3: but wow, back in majority, a thumping majority. With the
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  Speaker 3: coalition in disarray. This result shocked everyone from the Prime
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  Speaker 3: Minister down. I'll get the low down from Joel Fitzgibbon
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  Speaker 3: and we're to now for the coalition and the country.
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  Speaker 3: I'll talk to Senator just Center, Namba, jimper Price and
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  Speaker 3: Ann Rustin. Also on the polls, I'll catch up with
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  Speaker 3: John Black and find out where they went wrong. Also,
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  Speaker 3: Sophie Llsworth joins us from London, and Jemmer and Caroline
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  Speaker 3: joined me for the post election panel. Let's get cracking. Look,
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  Speaker 3: this result is disastrous for the country. Our fiscal pain
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  Speaker 3: is going to get even worse. The budget deth sits
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  Speaker 3: and the national debt will come back to hurt us all.
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  Speaker 1: Eventually, the energy chaos will get worse.
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  Speaker 3: By rejecting nuclear and doubling down on their renewables plus
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  Speaker 3: storage experiment, Labor will condemn us to power price hikes
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  Speaker 3: again and electricity shortages.
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  Speaker 1: Just ask Spain.
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  Speaker 3: And as for national security, well, Beijing, we'll be happy
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  Speaker 3: with this result. And that says it all.
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  Speaker 1: But let me start with the good news.
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  Speaker 3: First, almost all the polsters failed to see this labor
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  Speaker 3: landslide and coalition route coming, nor did the major parties,
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  Speaker 3: So that means for voters, commentators, and media politics remains
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  Speaker 3: delightfully unpredictable and exciting. The only person who controls the
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  Speaker 3: outcome is you when you number those boxes and put
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  Speaker 3: that ballot paper in the box. Second, over the past
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  Speaker 3: two weeks, more than eighteen million people cast votes at
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  Speaker 3: seven thousand, five hundred different polling locations in one hundred
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  Speaker 3: and fifty electorates across six states and two territories. And
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  Speaker 3: the worst thing that happened was a few harsh words
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  Speaker 3: and one bozo who thumped the volunteer. This is peaceful
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  Speaker 3: democracy in tough times. This is stridently contested politics working
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  Speaker 3: in a free and safe way. And that is a
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  Speaker 3: wonderful thing, a precious thing, a thing that most people
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  Speaker 3: on this planet are denied.
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  Speaker 1: So it's worth celebrating. We do it okay in this country.
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  Speaker 3: And that's why I have no compunction in offering my
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  Speaker 3: congratulations to Anthony Albanesi and all the millions of people
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  Speaker 3: who either helped the Labor campaign or voted to return
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  Speaker 3: the government. They've made their bed, now they get to
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  Speaker 3: lie in it. The other good news might be difficult
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  Speaker 3: to swallow, but believe me, it's good for the country,
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  Speaker 3: and that is that Labor has been returned in majority.
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  Speaker 1: Now it's a big majority, which makes it.
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  Speaker 3: Even harder for the coalition to get back into government
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  Speaker 3: at the next election. Sure, that's a worry, but it
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  Speaker 3: means that Albanesi and Labor don't rely on the Greens
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  Speaker 3: or the Tills to form government, and that is a
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  Speaker 3: good thing. It will help a bit by not dragging
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  Speaker 3: them too hard and fast to the loopy left. And
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  Speaker 3: in even better news, the Greens are in strife. They've
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  Speaker 3: lost at least two seats and even their leader Adam
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  Speaker 3: Bant is in danger of losing his seat in inner
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  Speaker 3: city Melbourne. Let's hope it's at least partly due to
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  Speaker 3: the ballot box reaction against the way the Greens have
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  Speaker 3: demonized Israel, adding to the trauma of Jewish Australians who
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  Speaker 3: face rampant anti Semitism. One wag took this argument directly
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  Speaker 3: to Bant on the weekend, after inviting him to send
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  Speaker 3: a birthday message.
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  Speaker 1: I'm Zach and this is Adam Hioey.
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  Speaker 3: Happy birthday, Zoey.
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  Speaker 4: Let's say together, I've demonized the Jewish community for my
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  Speaker 4: own political gain.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, Adam Bant there scurries away from the consequences of
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  Speaker 3: his own actions. We'll see whether he keeps his place
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  Speaker 3: in Parliament. But regardless, the Greens have been chastened by voters.
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  Speaker 3: Do we dare dream that they've passed their zenith? And
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  Speaker 3: there's one more bit of good news. The leader of
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  Speaker 3: our party and given the strong support of our party
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  Speaker 3: policies by the Austrange humidity, I believe the next Prime
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  Speaker 3: Minister of Australia Swell and Ritson.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, we were promised a new prime minister.
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  Speaker 3: Seriously, you're putting yourself up as the next prime minister
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  Speaker 3: of the country.
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  Speaker 1: You've never even been in Parliament.
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  Speaker 3: Absolutely well rights and said she'd come back for another interview.
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  Speaker 1: She never did. I guess she was too busy campaigning
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  Speaker 1: to be prime minister.
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  Speaker 3: We asked the trumpets architect there and bankroll the Clive
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  Speaker 3: Palmer as well, but he was a no show. But
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  Speaker 3: in breaking news tonight, the other good news for the
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  Speaker 3: country is that suwell And rights And is not the
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  Speaker 3: Prime Minister. She's not even in parliament. Rights And got
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  Speaker 3: less than three and a half percent of the vote
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  Speaker 3: in the New South Wales seat of Hunter. As for Palmer,
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  Speaker 3: after spending about sixty million dollars at this election, muddying
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  Speaker 3: the waters for no outcome, he's told the Daily Telegraph
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  Speaker 3: he might bow out of the political game now, saying
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  Speaker 3: that at seventy one, he's.
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  Speaker 1: Too old for it. That is good news.
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  Speaker 3: His interventions in politics have been entertaining and they've been
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  Speaker 3: good for the advertising budgets of commercial media, but in
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  Speaker 3: the end they've only ever been distracting and destructive. My
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  Speaker 3: favorite dictum in politics is that in politics, nothing is
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  Speaker 3: ever as good or as bad as it seems.
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  Speaker 1: And we're in.
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  Speaker 3: The phase now where the glory of the labor wind
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  Speaker 3: will be overstated, as will the crisis for the Liberals.
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  Speaker 3: Let me assure you of two things. Eventually labor will
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  Speaker 3: crash back to Earth and the coalition will rise. It's ever,
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  Speaker 3: thus the cycle continues.
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  Speaker 1: Now.
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  Speaker 3: That doesn't mean we overlook the historical shifts at play.
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  Speaker 1: Here for starters.
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  Speaker 3: The primary vote of the major parties put together has
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  Speaker 3: fallen below two thirds for the first time.
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  Speaker 1: This is a big moment. I think it's a long
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  Speaker 1: term change too.
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  Speaker 3: The minor parties and independence will continue to win about
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  Speaker 3: a third or more of the vote, meaning that while
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  Speaker 3: there's a majority government for now, we might need to
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  Speaker 3: get used to deals and coalitions European style politics if
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  Speaker 3: you like, in the future. And there's no avoiding the
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  Speaker 3: problems for the Liberals. They are not existential, but the
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  Speaker 3: Libs do face a massive rebuild and they're probably too
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  Speaker 3: far behind now to have any hope of winning.
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  Speaker 1: The next election.
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  Speaker 3: They're forced into a two term strategy from the outset.
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  Speaker 3: That's hope they used that time. Well, so what went wrong? Well,
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  Speaker 3: we all know it was a bad campaign, abysmal Really,
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  Speaker 3: I still don't know what the campaign theme was, what
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  Speaker 3: their main argument was. It escaped everyone and they failed
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  Speaker 3: to fight back against what labor threw at them as well.
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  Speaker 3: And let's face it, Peter Dutton was not a popular candidate.
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  Speaker 3: He's no charismatic leader like Bob Hawk or Bill Clinton.
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  Speaker 1: We all knew that, but neither was John Howard. The
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  Speaker 1: reason Dutton.
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  Speaker 3: Led in the polls a few months back was because
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  Speaker 3: he took up the arguments on immigration, on nuclear energy,
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  Speaker 3: on the cost of living, and one of the reasons
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  Speaker 3: he fell behind was he stopped doing that. Instead of
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  Speaker 3: making arguments leading the national debate, he was reduced to
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  Speaker 3: glib lines from focus groups provided by the Polsters, and
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  Speaker 3: instead of being upfront about the nation's economic and budgetary
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  Speaker 3: woes and the recklessness of Labour's giveaways, Dutton was sprooking
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  Speaker 3: giveaways of his own cuts to petrol tax and a
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  Speaker 3: tax rebate, even when he voted against Labour's future income
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  Speaker 3: tax cuts. It didn't make sense. These are the wrong
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  Speaker 3: policies because because you can't beat Labor at the giveaway game,
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  Speaker 3: and it also weakened the coalition's strong suit on economic management.
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  Speaker 3: Apparently the Liberals had a bigger tax reform agenda ready
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  Speaker 3: to go, but Shadow Treasurer Angus Taylor was forced to
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  Speaker 3: bin it. It was about the full indexation of taxation
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  Speaker 3: income tax thresholds, but there was no hint of this
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  Speaker 3: when I asked him about it during the campaign. The
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  Speaker 3: way then to deal with debt is obviously to grow
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  Speaker 3: the economy. You've got to control your spending and grow
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  Speaker 3: the economy so that debt shrinks. And one of the
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  Speaker 3: ways to help grow the economy is taxation reform.
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  Speaker 1: Are you're just going to dismiss.
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  Speaker 3: Labour's miserly of gimmicky tax cuts and do nothing, or
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  Speaker 3: you're going to give us some taxation reform, perhaps even
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  Speaker 3: indexation of rates to get rid of bracket creep. Well,
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  Speaker 3: we've already announced important tax changes, and right at the
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  Speaker 3: heart of that is accelerated depreciation.
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  Speaker 1: Some like to poop her this. We now know they
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  Speaker 1: had the reform, but they bind it.
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  Speaker 3: Real reform would have been welcome, a way to ensure
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  Speaker 3: that taxpayers keep more of their own money and to
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  Speaker 3: reinforce the need for small government. I think the giveaway
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  Speaker 3: that many analysts have underestimated from Labor was their promise
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  Speaker 3: to cut twenty percent from hex debts. That's sixteen billion
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  Speaker 3: dollars cut from all student loans. Sure this was fiscally irresponsible,
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  Speaker 3: but it was a direct election bribe for millions of
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  Speaker 3: young people and their parents. There's no doubt it bought votes,
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  Speaker 3: and that seemed obvious when the Prime Minister fronted his
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  Speaker 3: first press conference back in Canberra post election today, when.
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  Speaker 2: It comes to legislation and policy, what is the first
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  Speaker 2: item on the.
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  Speaker 1: Agenda for you?
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  Speaker 5: Twenty percent cut in student debt as I promised.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, he knows how big that was.
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  Speaker 3: Another mistake by the coalition was not doing more on energy.
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  Speaker 3: Of course, the one truly historic and necessary policy they
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  Speaker 3: took to this election was the.
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  Speaker 1: Nuclear energy Plan.
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  Speaker 3: All the facts, all the arguments stack up for this policy.
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  Speaker 3: You know, you've heard about it for months, if not years,
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  Speaker 3: on this program, and our nation is going to need
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  Speaker 3: to go down this path anyway if we're going to
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  Speaker 3: stick to net zero. Yet presumably they were warned off
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  Speaker 3: this issue by the Polsters and Dutton and his team
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  Speaker 3: avoided it. I would have taken the traveling media pack
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  Speaker 3: to Lucas Heights and shown all Australians the reactor already
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  Speaker 3: operating in Australia right now.
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  Speaker 1: I would have taken them to the bush to show.
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  Speaker 3: Them the destruction that the renewables roll out is delivering
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  Speaker 3: across the country.
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  Speaker 1: And I would have taken them to.
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  Speaker 3: A proposed nuclear reactor site to show them the infrastructure
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  Speaker 3: that's already there and to proclaim the logical benefits. Another
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  Speaker 3: more deep seated mistake by the Coalition was to misinterpret.
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  Speaker 1: The Voice referendum.
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  Speaker 3: I heard Coalition MPs and strategists talk about the percentage
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  Speaker 3: of No voters in various electorates as if that gave
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  Speaker 3: them some encouragement for Coalition votes. The two are completely unrelated.
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  Speaker 3: The Coalition need to understand that the Voice was defeated
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  Speaker 3: the moment they decided to app No referendum was going
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  Speaker 3: to pass without bipartisan support. And while arch Conservatives hated
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  Speaker 3: the Voice and couldn't wait to defeat it, most Australians
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  Speaker 3: started off liking the idea, then drifted away because of
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  Speaker 3: the lack of unity and because Albanize failed to provide
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  Speaker 3: enough detail. Many people voted against the Voice reluctantly, and
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  Speaker 3: they certainly didn't vote against the Voice as some kind
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  Speaker 3: of endorsement of the Coalition.
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  Speaker 1: Quite the opposite.
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  Speaker 3: When I privately tried to convince Dutton to support the
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  Speaker 3: Voice a couple of years ago, I warned him that
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  Speaker 3: if he opposed it and won, he'd confirmed the public
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  Speaker 3: view that he's tough and negative and not a modern leader.
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  Speaker 3: Now there's no doubt that referendum took some bark off
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  Speaker 3: alban easy and they'd helped Dutton. Then. It certainly helped
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  Speaker 3: Dutton there for a while. But look where each of
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  Speaker 3: them is now. There's one other major factor in this
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  Speaker 3: election that's been mentioned a bit, but I think we're
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  Speaker 3: in danger of underestimating it. And it reminds me of
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  Speaker 3: the famous words of the late Princess Diana.
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  Speaker 5: Well there were three of us in this marriage, so
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  Speaker 5: is a bit quoded.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, apart from Albernizi and Dutton, there was a third
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  Speaker 3: person in this contest and he isn't even an Australian citizen.
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  Speaker 2: This is Trumpian style fact resistant policy making.
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  Speaker 6: This is Dojie Dutton taking his cues, his instructions and
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  Speaker 6: his policies straight from the US.
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  Speaker 5: We don't have to adopt all of America's policies.
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  Speaker 6: To stop in bringing those Trump style politics here to Australia.
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  Speaker 6: Echoes of Trumpian politics here in Australia.
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  Speaker 5: And we never ever ever want an American style health
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  Speaker 5: system in this country.
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  Speaker 3: Peter Dutton wants to americanize our local schools and local hospitals.
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  Speaker 3: Government is trying, including the Prime Minister this morning, to
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  Speaker 3: frame Peter Dutton as Trump like.
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  Speaker 1: Is that an ode to Donald Trump.
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  Speaker 7: It is not an ode to Donald Trump.
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  Speaker 3: Labor is accussing the Coalition of copying its policies and
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  Speaker 3: slowly and straight from Donald Trump's playbook.
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  Speaker 8: Peter Dutton's campaign to be Prime Minister is just a
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  Speaker 8: cut and paste from the United States.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah so clear, isn't it?
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  Speaker 3: That Dutton was deliberately smeared with the Trump factor, fairly
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  Speaker 3: or unfairly.
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  Speaker 1: But the Coalition is not blameless.
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  Speaker 3: Some Coalition politicians and their supporters in the media have
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  Speaker 3: been cheerleaders for Trump, and for a while his triumph
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  Speaker 3: looked positive, a resurgence of conservatism and a fight back
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  Speaker 3: against wakeness and all the rest of it. But this
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  Speaker 3: has always been overdone.
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  Speaker 1: Here.
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  Speaker 3: Australia is just so different from the US, where we're
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  Speaker 3: not as brash, we're not as right wing, we're not
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  Speaker 3: as tribal in our politics, and because US voting is voluntary,
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  Speaker 3: their politics is all about energizing the base, whereas our.
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  Speaker 1: Politics is almost the opposite.
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  Speaker 3: With compulsory voting, it's all about winning the middle ground,
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  Speaker 3: appealing to the dissing, gauged. And once Trump blew up
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  Speaker 3: at Zelenski in the Oval office in March and then
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  Speaker 3: imposed tariffs on friends and foes alike. The gloss fell
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  Speaker 3: off Trump outside America, including in Australia, where undecided voters
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  Speaker 3: hated him, and just like it did in Canada, the
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  Speaker 3: Trump factor proved to be poison for conservatives Here. The
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  Speaker 3: dive appeared in the polls immediately. This really hurt the
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  Speaker 3: coalition support plunged. It was an easy hit for Labor
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  Speaker 3: and to put Dutton on the defensive. Yet, in the
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  Speaker 3: irony of all ironies, today Albanesi had a call with
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  Speaker 3: Trump and the US President told us he didn't even
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  Speaker 3: know who Dutton was.
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  Speaker 1: Well, he only had praise for Albanesi.
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  Speaker 5: Alberize, I'm very friendly with I haven't I don't know
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  Speaker 5: anything about the election.
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  Speaker 1: He's been very very nice to me, very respective to me.
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  Speaker 5: I have no idea who.
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  Speaker 3: The other person is that ran against him, and you
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  Speaker 3: know we've.
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  Speaker 1: Had a very big relation. Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Trump has had a huge impact on this election and
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  Speaker 3: he's all alban Easi's problem now, although given Trump loves
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  Speaker 3: a winner, albo might do okay with him too.
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  Speaker 1: As for the Liberal Party.
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  Speaker 3: Sure, they're light on for personnel, their state branches are
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  Speaker 3: disorganized and they face a long period in the wilderness
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  Speaker 3: under a new leader yet to be chosen, who'll struggle
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  Speaker 3: for recognition and attention. But as for their direction, what
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  Speaker 3: they need to get back to, it's all there, It's
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  Speaker 3: all still there. In their famous we believe statement, the
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  Speaker 3: Liberals believe in lean government that minimizes interference in our
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  Speaker 3: daily lives. They believe in freedom of thought, worship, speech
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  Speaker 3: and association, and the importance of family and the role
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  Speaker 3: of law and justice, as well as equal opportunity for
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  Speaker 3: all Australians. And they believe business and individuals, not government,
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  Speaker 3: are the true creators of wealth and employment. These are
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  Speaker 3: fundamental and while labor makes government ever bigger, the more
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  Speaker 3: and more people become dependent upon government, it's no reason
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  Speaker 3: for the Liberals to give up. It's all the more
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  Speaker 3: reason to argue the alternative before the Ponzi scheme of
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  Speaker 3: ever increasing government, higher taxing and spending and debt and deficits,
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  Speaker 3: Before that Ponzi scream, that Ponzi scheme crashes. The Liberals
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  Speaker 3: need to get cracking already.
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  Speaker 1: Let's go live.
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  Speaker 3: Now to coalition front bench of the Shadow Minister for
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  Speaker 3: Indigenous Australians, Senator just Center Nampa jimper Price joining us
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  Speaker 3: live from our springs.
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  Speaker 1: Great to talk to you, Center. You must have been.
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  Speaker 3: Shocked like everybody else by the size of the defeats
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  Speaker 3: for the coalition and the size of Labour's majority.
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  Speaker 1: What do you essentially put it down to?
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  Speaker 7: Oh, well, there are I guess there's many factors with
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  Speaker 7: regard to what brought about the shock when for Labor
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  Speaker 7: over the weekend, and there's a lot that we have
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  Speaker 7: to reflect upon as the coalition to determine where all
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  Speaker 7: our mistakes are. I mean, obviously polling was a huge one,
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  Speaker 7: following the polling that was presented to us without looking
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  Speaker 7: at alternative polling as well. You know, I think policies
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  Speaker 7: we should have locked in our policies that were pretty
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  Speaker 7: much determined long before the election was even called in
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  Speaker 7: terms of putting them to the Australian people. So the
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  Speaker 7: Australian people had a clear idea of what it is
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  Speaker 7: that we wanted to do to improve the country that we.
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  Speaker 1: All live in.
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  Speaker 7: But I think I think we have to this. I mean,
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  Speaker 7: in some ways, you look at the silver in that
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  Speaker 7: we know that Albanezi, after his miserable last three years,
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  Speaker 7: isn't going to turn this country around spectacularly and suddenly
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  Speaker 7: create a better economy at a lower cost of living
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  Speaker 7: environment for Australians, And certainly I know it. In closing
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  Speaker 7: the gap, I'll be watching very closely because I know
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  Speaker 7: that all they do is invest in bureaucracies and organizations
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  Speaker 7: and do very little to actually speak to those who
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  Speaker 7: are served or supposed to be served by these bureaucracies,
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  Speaker 7: and that has led to why there's such a widening gap.
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  Speaker 3: There's no doubt you need to get cracking on that
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  Speaker 3: policy work because you'll need to implement it. They're going
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  Speaker 3: to be bigger challenges I think by the time the
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  Speaker 3: next coalition government comes into play. But just looking at
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  Speaker 3: your own role, you must have been so frustrated during
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  Speaker 3: the campaign. You were hardly front and center. You had
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  Speaker 3: that government cost cutting role which a lot of people
• 19:59
  Speaker 3: try to linked to doze the Department of Governor efficiency
• 20:02
  Speaker 3: under Trump. Then when you made an appearance side by
• 20:05
  Speaker 3: side with Peter Dutton, you said make Australia great again,
• 20:08
  Speaker 3: as if that's not what we all want that Trump
• 20:11
  Speaker 3: factor meant there was a huge reaction to that and
• 20:14
  Speaker 3: you kind of disappeared again. So both your own lack
• 20:17
  Speaker 3: of prominence in the campaign, and this linking to Trump
• 20:20
  Speaker 3: must have frustrated you enormously.
• 20:23
  Speaker 1: Could you share your thoughts on all of that.
• 20:27
  Speaker 7: Yeah, sure, it was absolutely frustrating. You know, I think
• 20:33
  Speaker 7: we probably didn't capitalize enough on the outcome of the referendum,
• 20:37
  Speaker 7: the success of the coalition in that regard, you know,
• 20:42
  Speaker 7: the fact that we didn't pin that to the Prime
• 20:45
  Speaker 7: Minister effectively enough. I think that was a lost opportunity there,
• 20:52
  Speaker 7: you know, and watching the way the media, you know,
• 20:55
  Speaker 7: like a bunch of vultures will absolutely go you on
• 20:59
  Speaker 7: one particular issue and smear you with with you know,
• 21:03
  Speaker 7: another country's president. That that was a significant role that
• 21:08
  Speaker 7: I think some of the media played and frustrating.
• 21:11
  Speaker 3: Because yeah, but the way to deal with that is
• 21:15
  Speaker 3: to get out and argue your case every day, every
• 21:17
  Speaker 3: opportunity you get. You can't crash any of those misconceptions
• 21:21
  Speaker 3: or any of the lies unless you've got enough coalition
• 21:24
  Speaker 3: front benches back there arguing strongly.
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: And I didn't see enough of that happening.
• 21:30
  Speaker 7: Yeah, And and I guess you know that is that
• 21:33
  Speaker 7: is definitely a frustration. That's a frustration for me. That's
• 21:37
  Speaker 7: a frustration but others. There's certainly a frustration for those
• 21:41
  Speaker 7: of our supporters out there, and there's are a lot
• 21:44
  Speaker 7: of the issues that we will have to address as
• 21:47
  Speaker 7: a coalition going forward, and that will evidently come out
• 21:51
  Speaker 7: in the wash up after all of this as well.
• 21:53
  Speaker 7: To look at what the strategies were and how they
• 21:57
  Speaker 7: could have been done A.
• 21:58
  Speaker 3: Hell of a lot better to big questions for those
• 22:01
  Speaker 3: people right around this country who support you strongly, very
• 22:05
  Speaker 3: important about your own future. One is will you put
• 22:08
  Speaker 3: your hand up for a leadership position? The deputy leadership
• 22:11
  Speaker 3: of the Nationals perhaps, but even beyond that. While you're
• 22:14
  Speaker 3: answering that, would you consider I know, under the COLP
• 22:18
  Speaker 3: traditionally you must sit in the Nationals party room. Would
• 22:21
  Speaker 3: you consider seeking to change that so you could sit
• 22:24
  Speaker 3: in the Liberals party room?
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: Well?
• 22:28
  Speaker 7: Look, you know again, I guess the count hasn't been finalized.
• 22:33
  Speaker 7: We're all trying to get our heads around what's just happened.
• 22:38
  Speaker 7: There's a lot to consider going forward in all of this,
• 22:42
  Speaker 7: and what I do know is that we need to
• 22:45
  Speaker 7: figure out where we went wrong so we don't repeat
• 22:47
  Speaker 7: those mistakes, and to take a strategy that's going to
• 22:51
  Speaker 7: strengthen us going forward. And yeah, there is a lot
• 22:56
  Speaker 7: to consider at this point in time and going.
• 22:59
  Speaker 1: Forward, but so we'll give you a lead pass.
• 23:01
  Speaker 7: You can guarantee one thing, yep, is that I'm absolutely
• 23:07
  Speaker 7: going to go hard no matter what I'm doing, you
• 23:10
  Speaker 7: know where I land, and basically for the benefit of
• 23:16
  Speaker 7: all Australians and for the fact that I know that
• 23:18
  Speaker 7: you know, there are a lot of Australians out there
• 23:20
  Speaker 7: that I've got incredible support of and and certainly support
• 23:24
  Speaker 7: the direction in which you know preferably would like to
• 23:28
  Speaker 7: see Australia.
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: Just I'll I'll give you a lebel down.
• 23:32
  Speaker 3: I'll give you a lead pass on declaring your hand
• 23:34
  Speaker 3: for leadership because you had to wait for those votes
• 23:36
  Speaker 3: to be counted, but you didn't rule out trying to
• 23:38
  Speaker 3: switch to the Liberal Party room.
• 23:43
  Speaker 7: Yeah, Look, as I said, there's a lot to consider
• 23:45
  Speaker 7: right now at this point in time, and what we
• 23:50
  Speaker 7: need to be able to do is be in a
• 23:52
  Speaker 7: strong position going forward so that we can rebuild as
• 23:56
  Speaker 7: a coalition and you know, as part of the NATS,
• 23:58
  Speaker 7: we to support that lives in that direction absolutely, and
• 24:03
  Speaker 7: that is I'm a fighter. I'm a fighter, sure, no
• 24:06
  Speaker 7: matter what I'll be fighting.
• 24:08
  Speaker 3: Thanks just can't wait to catch up again. Thanks for
• 24:10
  Speaker 3: joining us. Senator just sent it. Naba jimber Price there
• 24:14
  Speaker 3: pointedly not ruling out switching to the Liberal Party. Imagine
• 24:18
  Speaker 3: she was in the Liberal Party that had helped them fight.
• 24:20
  Speaker 3: Perhaps we will see what unfolds there. Now. I'm going
• 24:23
  Speaker 3: to go to a defense minister, former Defense Minister Joshan S.
• 24:25
  Speaker 3: Gibbon in a moment, but before I go to him live,
• 24:28
  Speaker 3: I just want to show you what he said in
• 24:29
  Speaker 3: the election coverage on Saturday night.
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: I thought this is a very, very telling and sobering
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: piece of analysis for the Liberal Party.
• 24:39
  Speaker 4: What do all these people have in common other than
• 24:41
  Speaker 4: the fact that they led the Liberal Party at some
• 24:43
  Speaker 4: point Mendi's Holt, Gordon McMahon, Slenden, pa Cock, Howard, Hyson, Downer, Nelson, Turnbull,
• 24:51
  Speaker 4: Abbot and Dunton. They all represented seats the Liberal Party
• 24:57
  Speaker 4: no longer represents. Thank god they've hung on one.
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: And Cook d just extraordinary.
• 25:03
  Speaker 3: All the seats formerly held by Liberal Party leaders.
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: Now in the hands of other parties.
• 25:09
  Speaker 3: Joef has given joins me now from the Sydney CBD.
• 25:12
  Speaker 3: Good to talk to you again, Joel and the two
• 25:14
  Speaker 3: seats you mentioned at the end, Cook and one and
• 25:16
  Speaker 3: of course one held once by Fraser, the other by Scott.
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: Morrison, the whole held.
• 25:22
  Speaker 3: Now they're only two left and we think that Dan
• 25:25
  Speaker 3: teen who holds one and now, might put his hand
• 25:27
  Speaker 3: up for the leadership. It might be the curse of
• 25:29
  Speaker 3: one and upon him.
• 25:33
  Speaker 4: Well, I can make one prediction, Chris, the next Opposition
• 25:37
  Speaker 4: leader will not be the next Liberal prime minister.
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that is a fair prediction to make. It's a
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: tough ass. Now. We talked to you about the throughout
• 25:47
  Speaker 1: the campaign.
• 25:48
  Speaker 3: Obviously your confidence about Labor forming majority government increased throughout
• 25:53
  Speaker 3: the campaign.
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: It became more and more likely. But no one in
• 25:57
  Speaker 1: their wildest dreams in Labor.
• 25:59
  Speaker 3: Thought you'd in eighty five seats eighty six seats, did you.
• 26:05
  Speaker 4: No, not Maycres, not Peter Dutton, and not Anthony Alberneasy.
• 26:10
  Speaker 4: I think the Prime Minister has made that point himself.
• 26:13
  Speaker 4: No one saw this coming. And you know I was
• 26:16
  Speaker 4: on your program last Thursday night and I said that
• 26:19
  Speaker 4: the you gub poll looked like an outlier to me.
• 26:23
  Speaker 4: Happy to say, how I was wrong. It was much
• 26:25
  Speaker 4: closer than any of us were to predicting the final outcome. Look,
• 26:30
  Speaker 4: it became very clear in those final days that we'd
• 26:33
  Speaker 4: have a Labor government this week. The only question was
• 26:36
  Speaker 4: majority or minority. But gee, it's much more than.
• 26:40
  Speaker 1: That, Chris.
• 26:41
  Speaker 4: The spread, the spread is between the primary vote. I
• 26:45
  Speaker 4: think it's probably still sitting around fifty five to forty
• 26:48
  Speaker 4: five at the moment as the votes continue to come in.
• 26:51
  Speaker 4: But it's the biggest spread in an election since at
• 26:56
  Speaker 4: nineteen sixty six when Harold Holt beat for Corwall.
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it is extraordinary.
• 27:02
  Speaker 3: I'm going to talk polling later in the program with
• 27:06
  Speaker 3: John Black, but that makes it a significant victory that's
• 27:09
  Speaker 3: on a two party preferred basis.
• 27:11
  Speaker 1: The Labor party primary vote is still not high.
• 27:14
  Speaker 3: It's certainly higher than it was last time, and it's
• 27:17
  Speaker 3: about what the polling was predicting. But in the new
• 27:20
  Speaker 3: environment with so many minor parties and independence, thirty four
• 27:23
  Speaker 3: percent becomes a very big vote for Labor, doesn't it.
• 27:29
  Speaker 4: Yeah, that's right. I've been talking about this a lot.
• 27:31
  Speaker 4: Crouse sixty eight percent of the primary vote shared by
• 27:34
  Speaker 4: the two parties at the twenty two election, and it's
• 27:37
  Speaker 4: fallen further now another two points. Ex extraordinary and it's
• 27:42
  Speaker 4: changing the political dynamic in this country. By the way,
• 27:45
  Speaker 4: talking about Corwall, Corwall and Harold Holt, the big impact
• 27:50
  Speaker 4: on that election was the US presidentbj who visited Australia
• 27:54
  Speaker 4: only weeks before the election. In the Vietnam War was
• 27:57
  Speaker 4: such a big issue. Now, that's right, that's getting harder
• 28:00
  Speaker 4: and harder for the major political parties which such a
• 28:03
  Speaker 4: combined vote to have the courage to progress reform. And
• 28:08
  Speaker 4: at the Albaneze, he's got a wonderful opportunity now he
• 28:11
  Speaker 4: has a big buffer. He does some significant reform in
• 28:14
  Speaker 4: his first term, but I think there's an opportunity for
• 28:17
  Speaker 4: him now to continue on that reform path, and I
• 28:20
  Speaker 4: think he will. I think he'll use his mandate and
• 28:23
  Speaker 4: his authority to do some good things for the country.
• 28:26
  Speaker 3: Tell me about the Trump factor, because I think in
• 28:29
  Speaker 3: some ways it's been underestimated that. I don't want to
• 28:31
  Speaker 3: distract from the coalision's own problems. There's plenty to deal
• 28:34
  Speaker 3: with there. But this was a big factor, right because
• 28:37
  Speaker 3: Trump had that overall office meeting with Zelenski, and then
• 28:40
  Speaker 3: with the tariff decision, he upended the whole world and
• 28:44
  Speaker 3: changed perceptions. Even though a lot of people were antagonistic
• 28:48
  Speaker 3: towards him beforehand. It changed things dramatically and it became
• 28:51
  Speaker 3: a real black mark against conservatives right around the world.
• 28:57
  Speaker 4: It did indeed chrias I mean. And as he went
• 29:00
  Speaker 4: into the election in good shape. He'd done some good
• 29:03
  Speaker 4: things in government, he had a unified team for three years.
• 29:07
  Speaker 4: He was in good shape, and he campaigned magnificently, mistake
• 29:11
  Speaker 4: free and all of that stuck to his agenda and
• 29:15
  Speaker 4: his lines. But Peter didn't winto this election capable of
• 29:18
  Speaker 4: winning more seats than the government. But it all started
• 29:23
  Speaker 4: with the opposition to the tax cuts rule number one
• 29:26
  Speaker 4: never opposed tax cuts from opposition. The cyclone came along,
• 29:31
  Speaker 4: changed things just a little, gave the prime minister an
• 29:34
  Speaker 4: opportunity took prime ministerial and he grabbed that opportunity and
• 29:38
  Speaker 4: did good things there in Queensland. And then Trump just
• 29:41
  Speaker 4: flipped everything. And I think what happened there is the
• 29:45
  Speaker 4: government the opposition went into the election with a small
• 29:48
  Speaker 4: target strategy and then the cost of living crisis. That
• 29:51
  Speaker 4: was probably the right strategy, hoping the government the incumbent,
• 29:55
  Speaker 4: would just lose, but they had to scramble to change
• 29:59
  Speaker 4: their gg direction. And when you scramble, Chris, you start
• 30:03
  Speaker 4: making mistakes, particularly in opposition with limited resources, and they
• 30:08
  Speaker 4: made plenty of them.
• 30:09
  Speaker 1: They sure did. Joel.
• 30:11
  Speaker 3: Has been fantastic to have your labor perspective throughout the
• 30:14
  Speaker 3: campaign and look look forward to catching up again, Joel.
• 30:17
  Speaker 1: It's given there the former Labor Defense Minister. We've got
• 30:20
  Speaker 1: to get to a break.
• 30:21
  Speaker 3: On the other side, I'm going to catch up with
• 30:22
  Speaker 3: the former Labor senator now polling analyst John Black, to
• 30:25
  Speaker 3: talk about whether anybody saw this one coming. Let's catch
• 30:34
  Speaker 3: up with the former Labor senator expert number cruncher John
• 30:36
  Speaker 3: Black in Brisbane. Good to talk to you, John. You
• 30:39
  Speaker 3: must have been shocked by this, like everybody.
• 30:41
  Speaker 1: Did anybody get it right?
• 30:44
  Speaker 5: Look, I think you Go was the closest with their
• 30:47
  Speaker 5: estimate of the number of seats. It predicted such a
• 30:51
  Speaker 5: high number of seats for the ALP that I didn't
• 30:54
  Speaker 5: think it was possible, but are very close to it,
• 30:57
  Speaker 5: within one or two seats. And I didn't expect see
• 31:00
  Speaker 5: the coalition down below fifty seats. But when it came,
• 31:06
  Speaker 5: the swing was very late in that week. That's our
• 31:10
  Speaker 5: collective excuse, I think, but it was very sudden, very dramatic,
• 31:14
  Speaker 5: and there are a lot of people who'd made their
• 31:15
  Speaker 5: mind up that they didn't want to change, and they
• 31:18
  Speaker 5: declared that emphatically.
• 31:20
  Speaker 3: I suppose that late swing is understandable in that there's
• 31:24
  Speaker 3: a large cohor of undecided. We all knew that, and
• 31:27
  Speaker 3: also we knew that the election hadn't really engaged. So
• 31:30
  Speaker 3: maybe they only really switched on in that last week
• 31:33
  Speaker 3: and went would the status quote.
• 31:36
  Speaker 5: Yeah, and Chris, when you have a look at it,
• 31:38
  Speaker 5: the economic conditions were a lot more favorable for the
• 31:42
  Speaker 5: sitting government. There was an interest rate cut at the beginning.
• 31:45
  Speaker 5: There were very very favorable inflation figures which indicated that
• 31:49
  Speaker 5: we were likely to get an interest rate cut at
• 31:51
  Speaker 5: the next meeting of the RBA. Donald Trump just went
• 31:54
  Speaker 5: berserk and helped her re elect the Senate left government
• 31:59
  Speaker 5: in and he's done a similar job for us here.
• 32:02
  Speaker 5: And of course there were so many stumbles from Peter
• 32:06
  Speaker 5: Dutton and the coalition campaign team that really I wouldn't
• 32:10
  Speaker 5: have predicted, and he sort of dug in a bit
• 32:13
  Speaker 5: deeper in those last few days. His personal approval rating
• 32:17
  Speaker 5: just tanked, and as I said, I think before, if
• 32:20
  Speaker 5: your personal approval rating goes down by about ten points
• 32:23
  Speaker 5: in the space of a week. Then you're going to
• 32:25
  Speaker 5: knock off up to about three percentage points off your
• 32:28
  Speaker 5: primary vote. And that's pretty much what happened.
• 32:31
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 32:32
  Speaker 3: Well, we all said that it was going to be
• 32:33
  Speaker 3: a campaign that mattered, and that was supposed to be
• 32:35
  Speaker 3: a benefit for Peter Dutton because Albanizi had campaigned poorly before.
• 32:40
  Speaker 3: But Dutton had the problematic campaign. He was the one
• 32:43
  Speaker 3: making the stumbles and on the back foot and Albanizey
• 32:46
  Speaker 3: love him or loath him, no matter what you think
• 32:48
  Speaker 3: of the policies, he was quite confident and assured throughout
• 32:52
  Speaker 3: the campaign.
• 32:52
  Speaker 1: In fact, he got stronger as it went on.
• 32:55
  Speaker 3: I want to get your thoughts on the Polly. What
• 32:56
  Speaker 3: strikes me is that historically we've seen where polsters have
• 33:01
  Speaker 3: got it wrong. They've tended to underestimate the coalition or
• 33:04
  Speaker 3: the Conservative vote and overestimate the labor vote. This time around,
• 33:08
  Speaker 3: when you look at it, they all seem to do
• 33:10
  Speaker 3: the opposite. Have they tried too hard to make up
• 33:14
  Speaker 3: for the mistakes in the past so that now they're
• 33:16
  Speaker 3: inflating the coalition vote and they got the labor vote
• 33:20
  Speaker 3: closer to right.
• 33:22
  Speaker 5: Yes, they've admitted that to a certain extent, some of
• 33:24
  Speaker 5: the pulses were using the voice vote as a benchmark
• 33:27
  Speaker 5: to determine who was likely to vote for the coalition.
• 33:30
  Speaker 1: But that's nice. The voice was going to have no
• 33:32
  Speaker 1: relevance to this.
• 33:33
  Speaker 5: Surelyali absolutely, Dulali. Look, I thought that they may have
• 33:40
  Speaker 5: been underestimating the coalition voters instead of the labor vote,
• 33:46
  Speaker 5: but certainly that wasn't the case. I mean, we've seen
• 33:48
  Speaker 5: lots of demographic changes with young women who particularly young
• 33:52
  Speaker 5: women who haven't started a family yet, which they're doing later.
• 33:54
  Speaker 5: You know, they tend to be far more left wing,
• 33:57
  Speaker 5: and they tend to be much more accessible, a lot
• 33:59
  Speaker 5: more spare time that a mum of take couple of
• 34:01
  Speaker 5: kids with two jobs, you know, driving the kids to
• 34:04
  Speaker 5: them from soccer and that sort of thing. It's harder
• 34:06
  Speaker 5: and more expensive to get the more conservative votes, So
• 34:09
  Speaker 5: that tends to be the case. Certainly, not here. I
• 34:12
  Speaker 5: don't think we're at the bottom of it yet, Chris,
• 34:14
  Speaker 5: to be honest, and a bit of honesty never goes
• 34:17
  Speaker 5: astray when it comes to this.
• 34:19
  Speaker 1: Sort of thing.
• 34:19
  Speaker 3: Absolutely, we'll catch up again and talk about it in
• 34:22
  Speaker 3: some more detail.
• 34:22
  Speaker 1: John I appreciate your input.
• 34:24
  Speaker 3: John Black there, the former Labor senator, live from Brisbane.
• 34:27
  Speaker 1: We've got to get a break.
• 34:28
  Speaker 3: On the other side, The Liberal senator Anne Rustin joins
• 34:30
  Speaker 3: us plus Sophie Olsworth in London on the backlash against
• 34:33
  Speaker 3: Tony Blair.
• 34:34
  Speaker 1: Over net zero.
• 34:40
  Speaker 3: Let's catch up with Shadow Health Minister Anne rust And
• 34:42
  Speaker 3: joining us live from Adelaide.
• 34:44
  Speaker 1: Good to talk to you, Anne.
• 34:45
  Speaker 3: Although you're one of the front benches who's been accessible
• 34:47
  Speaker 3: throughout the campaign, give us your thoughts on having just
• 34:50
  Speaker 3: done three years of opposition. It's not a lot of
• 34:52
  Speaker 3: fun and now you're looking at the prospect of probably
• 34:55
  Speaker 3: six more. Well.
• 34:59
  Speaker 8: Look, obviously there is that we received on Saturday. Was
• 35:01
  Speaker 8: not the result that we were looking for. But you know,
• 35:04
  Speaker 8: the Australian people have spoken and we need to just regroup,
• 35:08
  Speaker 8: make sure that we learn from listening to Australians about
• 35:11
  Speaker 8: what they thought about us on Saturday, make the positive
• 35:14
  Speaker 8: changes that we need to make. Because a strong democracy
• 35:17
  Speaker 8: in this country, Chris is built on a strong government
• 35:19
  Speaker 8: and a strong opposition and we need to rebuild and
• 35:21
  Speaker 8: make sure that we're as quickly as possible present a
• 35:24
  Speaker 8: strong alternative government to the Australian people. So that's the
• 35:27
  Speaker 8: job going forward. But you know, the people of Australia spoken.
• 35:30
  Speaker 8: We have to absolutely respect their decision and now it's
• 35:33
  Speaker 8: time for us to regroup, rethink and rebuild and get
• 35:37
  Speaker 8: on with the job of being the opposition.
• 35:39
  Speaker 3: There are so many aspects to the defeat and therefore
• 35:41
  Speaker 3: so many aspects to.
• 35:42
  Speaker 1: Look to in the future.
• 35:44
  Speaker 3: So let me just focus on one right now, and
• 35:46
  Speaker 3: that is the enormous and fiscally irresponsible giveaways by Labor
• 35:51
  Speaker 3: at this election. You could look at the heckstebts being
• 35:55
  Speaker 3: forgiven to student loans. You can look at the tax
• 35:59
  Speaker 3: cuts they've promised starting next year, all these issues, the
• 36:05
  Speaker 3: rebates they're doing to artificially keep down the electricity prices
• 36:09
  Speaker 3: that they've pushed up. Did you get sucked into a
• 36:13
  Speaker 3: game where instead of calling this out, you tried to
• 36:16
  Speaker 3: offer giveaways of your own, therefore undermining your own record
• 36:21
  Speaker 3: and constituency for responsible economic management.
• 36:27
  Speaker 8: Well, look, I think quite obviously there are many things
• 36:30
  Speaker 8: that we need to look at in terms of reflecting
• 36:32
  Speaker 8: on what happened over the election campaign and over the
• 36:34
  Speaker 8: last three years, and one of those is to look
• 36:37
  Speaker 8: about how we're going to present ourselves going forward from
• 36:40
  Speaker 8: a fiscally conservative perspective, because that's what we are as
• 36:44
  Speaker 8: a party, and so we need to absolutely look at that.
• 36:46
  Speaker 8: But you're quite right. The government now has to work
• 36:49
  Speaker 8: out how it's going to pay for all of the
• 36:52
  Speaker 8: things that it's promised that you just listed in many
• 36:55
  Speaker 8: many more as well, and they've got to make sure
• 36:59
  Speaker 8: that they are actually building the economy. And that's what
• 37:01
  Speaker 8: concerns me is that I'm not sure that we saw
• 37:03
  Speaker 8: anywhere during the election campaign anywhere where the government actually
• 37:07
  Speaker 8: talked about how they were going to rebuild the economy,
• 37:09
  Speaker 8: how they were going to strengthen the economy, how they
• 37:11
  Speaker 8: were going to build productivity back into the economy, because
• 37:14
  Speaker 8: only through productivity and a strong economy you can afford
• 37:18
  Speaker 8: to be able to provide these sorts of things that
• 37:20
  Speaker 8: the Australian public quite clearly want is through a strong economy.
• 37:24
  Speaker 8: So I think there's a lot of work for us
• 37:26
  Speaker 8: to do, but I think we do need to get
• 37:28
  Speaker 8: back to those basics.
• 37:29
  Speaker 3: We learned that there was a policy developed inside the
• 37:32
  Speaker 3: coalition to advance the full indexation of income tax thresholds.
• 37:38
  Speaker 1: Now I love this policy.
• 37:39
  Speaker 3: It sounds boring, but essentially it means you're going to
• 37:42
  Speaker 3: make sure tax payers in the future keep more of
• 37:45
  Speaker 3: their own income.
• 37:46
  Speaker 1: They going to get ripped off by bracket creep.
• 37:49
  Speaker 3: And the other thing is that it then inhibits government
• 37:51
  Speaker 3: a restricts government from spending too much in the future.
• 37:55
  Speaker 3: But it's hard to bring in the first place, because
• 37:57
  Speaker 3: it's costly to bring in the first place.
• 37:59
  Speaker 1: But great reform.
• 38:01
  Speaker 3: We didn't even hear any discussion of it really in
• 38:03
  Speaker 3: the election campaign. Were you aware that the policy had
• 38:06
  Speaker 3: been compiled, approved and was ready to go and then
• 38:10
  Speaker 3: withdrawn at the last moment.
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  Speaker 8: Look, I'm not going to disclose what I did or
• 38:17
  Speaker 8: didn't know as part of leadership. You wouldn't expect me to.
• 38:19
  Speaker 8: I don't think Chris. But I think one of the
• 38:21
  Speaker 8: things that he is very clear is that we now
• 38:23
  Speaker 8: have an opportunity to rebuild, to look at a whole
• 38:26
  Speaker 8: suite of policies as part of this review process, to
• 38:29
  Speaker 8: make sure that what we're offering the Australian public at
• 38:31
  Speaker 8: the next election cospective of what they're asking us for.
• 38:35
  Speaker 3: Sorry to cut to off, you can't tell us that
• 38:37
  Speaker 3: you can't share that information. Understood, we'll keep asking others
• 38:41
  Speaker 3: just in the meantime, and very quickly, we're nearly out
• 38:43
  Speaker 3: of time. Would the Liberal Party welcome the CLP senator
• 38:47
  Speaker 3: from the Northern Territory just into the Namba, Jimper Price,
• 38:49
  Speaker 3: into its party room?
• 38:53
  Speaker 8: Well, obviously that's not a matter for me to discuss
• 38:56
  Speaker 8: on national television either. I mean, we are a very
• 38:59
  Speaker 8: very strong on coalition and we absolutely as one with
• 39:03
  Speaker 8: our National Party brothers and sisters in the Parliament, and
• 39:07
  Speaker 8: I think you know, we have worked together for a
• 39:09
  Speaker 8: very long time and you know, obviously you know we
• 39:13
  Speaker 8: continue to work.
• 39:13
  Speaker 1: Together with them.
• 39:14
  Speaker 8: But those sort of internal party matters are best left
• 39:17
  Speaker 8: to be internal party matters.
• 39:19
  Speaker 3: Thanks Anne, I really appreciate you turning up yet again,
• 39:21
  Speaker 3: I appreciate it greatly, Senator Ann Rustin. They're live from Adelaide.
• 39:25
  Speaker 3: Great for her and just sending out. But Jimber Price
• 39:27
  Speaker 3: to front up here. As you can imagine, there are
• 39:29
  Speaker 3: a lot.
• 39:30
  Speaker 1: Of coalition MPs keeping load to the ground. Just at
• 39:32
  Speaker 1: the moment.
• 39:33
  Speaker 3: Let's cross to Glasgow now not London, where the Sky
• 39:36
  Speaker 3: News contributor and the News Corp European correspondent Sophie Illsworth
• 39:41
  Speaker 3: is reporting from great to talk.
• 39:42
  Speaker 1: To you, Sophie.
• 39:43
  Speaker 3: The weather looks great there in Glasgow early in the morning.
• 39:47
  Speaker 3: Been any repercussions from the Australian election result in the UK.
• 39:53
  Speaker 9: Well, Chris certainly made a lot of headlines over here,
• 39:57
  Speaker 9: you know, the newspapers saying this shockras the decimation of
• 40:01
  Speaker 9: the coalition, and I think over here in the UK
• 40:04
  Speaker 9: they're probably just as surprised with how much the coalition
• 40:08
  Speaker 9: was smashed out of the park by the Albanezi government.
• 40:12
  Speaker 9: But watching from Afari's making a lot of headlines over here.
• 40:16
  Speaker 9: But of course we also have many issues to deal
• 40:19
  Speaker 9: with in British politics which always take precedence over here.
• 40:23
  Speaker 9: While Australia makes the news cruise, it's not always front
• 40:26
  Speaker 9: and center in the UK.
• 40:27
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Sure.
• 40:28
  Speaker 3: One issue overlaps though, and that is net zero and
• 40:30
  Speaker 3: what Tony Blair had to say about it.
• 40:32
  Speaker 1: Have a look at this.
• 40:34
  Speaker 10: People are being asked to make financial sacrifices and changes
• 40:38
  Speaker 10: in lifestyle when they know that their impact on global
• 40:41
  Speaker 10: emissions is minimal. And it goes on to say any
• 40:45
  Speaker 10: strategy based on either phasing out fossil fuels in the
• 40:48
  Speaker 10: short term or limiting consumption is a strategy doomed to fill.
• 40:54
  Speaker 3: Former UK Labor Prime Minister Tony Blair there caused a
• 40:58
  Speaker 3: big stir but I believe he's already been sort of
• 41:01
  Speaker 3: forced to pull his head in a bit.
• 41:03
  Speaker 1: He's talking sense, mind you.
• 41:07
  Speaker 9: Well, I think a lot of people are agreeing with him,
• 41:09
  Speaker 9: Chris in the UK. But this was certainly a comment
• 41:13
  Speaker 9: that the Prime Minister, so Kiirs Starmer wouldn't have been
• 41:16
  Speaker 9: too thrilled about. And the government did come out a
• 41:19
  Speaker 9: government spokesperson and basically did a bit of gas sliding
• 41:23
  Speaker 9: and said that he's effectively backing in their strategy. But
• 41:26
  Speaker 9: net zero is very much on the outside here, Chris.
• 41:32
  Speaker 9: The population doesn't seem to like it. And this is
• 41:35
  Speaker 9: what has been an absolute game changer for Reform UK's
• 41:39
  Speaker 9: Nigel Farage, because this is one of the issues that
• 41:42
  Speaker 9: perhaps the Coalition didn't bother doing in Australia, but they
• 41:46
  Speaker 9: have done here with Reform UK, and that is prosecute
• 41:49
  Speaker 9: the point that net zero will not work and it
• 41:52
  Speaker 9: needs to be quashed because if he's hurting the population,
• 41:55
  Speaker 9: it is costing them more to move to this green dream.
• 42:00
  Speaker 3: And Nigel Farrage and the Reform Party we've had a
• 42:02
  Speaker 3: big showing in local council elections. That's often a fore taste,
• 42:06
  Speaker 3: isn't it a sort of press as for what might
• 42:08
  Speaker 3: happen in the national polls later?
• 42:12
  Speaker 9: Absolutely, Chris so I had the council elections here in
• 42:15
  Speaker 9: the UK. He smashed it out of the park. Reform
• 42:18
  Speaker 9: won six hundred and seventy seven seats versus Conservative with
• 42:22
  Speaker 9: three hundred and nineteen seats and Laybor with ninety eight seats.
• 42:26
  Speaker 9: In the last figures I saw, Reform UK has proven
• 42:30
  Speaker 9: that this two party system political parties could be over.
• 42:35
  Speaker 9: And there's polls out every week here in the UK,
• 42:38
  Speaker 9: Chris showing that Reform UK is absolutely climbing in popularity.
• 42:43
  Speaker 9: Nigel Farage, in one poll I saw last week, is
• 42:46
  Speaker 9: tipped to be the next Prime minister, well ahead of
• 42:49
  Speaker 9: Kis Starmer. They have all the momentum, Chris.
• 42:52
  Speaker 3: Incredible stuff. Thanks for joining us. Sophie Olsworth their live
• 42:56
  Speaker 3: from Glasgow. She's off the Rome next as the conclave
• 42:58
  Speaker 3: gathers there at the Vatican later in the week, so.
• 43:01
  Speaker 1: We'll keep an eye on that too. But we're going
• 43:03
  Speaker 1: to go to a break now.
• 43:04
  Speaker 3: We'll catch up with Gematon Uni and Caroline durus So
• 43:06
  Speaker 3: after that get their thoughts on what went wrong for
• 43:09
  Speaker 3: the coalition and where to from here. Let's pick through
• 43:15
  Speaker 3: the intrails now with Gematon Uni from GT Communications get
• 43:19
  Speaker 3: a how are you and Caroline Durusso from the Royal
• 43:22
  Speaker 3: Report to host the Royal Report in Perth.
• 43:24
  Speaker 1: Let's get a quick summary to run.
• 43:26
  Speaker 3: Keep it pithy, because there's so many rabbit holes to
• 43:28
  Speaker 3: go down here at Caroline, obviously you're the president of
• 43:31
  Speaker 3: the West Australian Liberal Branch, but nothing much happened for
• 43:34
  Speaker 3: you guys over there, no.
• 43:38
  Speaker 6: Which when you look at some of the carnage and
• 43:40
  Speaker 6: the rest of the country is almost a relief. Look,
• 43:42
  Speaker 6: we did take a fair bit of our medicine last time,
• 43:45
  Speaker 6: and look from an organizational point of view, you know,
• 43:48
  Speaker 6: I think we pre selected candidates well, we fundraised well,
• 43:52
  Speaker 6: and we ran good grassroots campaigns. We also ended up
• 43:56
  Speaker 6: with the smallest two pp swing against us in the
• 43:59
  Speaker 6: country zero point six of a percent. And w Way's
• 44:03
  Speaker 6: the only state, actually Chris where the Labor primary went backwards.
• 44:06
  Speaker 6: So there from the doubly way point of view, and
• 44:09
  Speaker 6: of the things that we could influence, you know, given
• 44:13
  Speaker 6: what has happened elsewhere in the country. You're almost you're
• 44:16
  Speaker 6: not happy with that position, but you're almost grateful that
• 44:20
  Speaker 6: that's what it was. But you know, and it's been
• 44:24
  Speaker 6: trolled over plenty. There just wasn't enough really visionary policy
• 44:29
  Speaker 6: at the top for us to be able to sell
• 44:31
  Speaker 6: on the ground.
• 44:32
  Speaker 1: Well, yeah, look as the hell of a shop.
• 44:34
  Speaker 3: There's lots of angles on this, Jemmy, But I know
• 44:36
  Speaker 3: you were with our mutual good friend Nicole f former.
• 44:39
  Speaker 1: Federal MP, looking to get back.
• 44:42
  Speaker 3: You would have seen the personal side of the hope,
• 44:44
  Speaker 3: the hard work and the hope and then nothing.
• 44:46
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 44:47
  Speaker 2: I will say this, and I say this having been
• 44:51
  Speaker 2: courted for a political career over the years. I mean,
• 44:53
  Speaker 2: I'm a woman, I'm Italian, can't make sense, tick all
• 44:56
  Speaker 2: the boxes, but I genuinely have great respect for people
• 45:00
  Speaker 2: who put themselves on the line. And as Nicole did,
• 45:03
  Speaker 2: she to remind our viewers she never lost Boothby. She
• 45:06
  Speaker 2: retired from Boothby and had unfinished business, I suppose, and
• 45:12
  Speaker 2: just to see how hard she couldn't have worked any harder.
• 45:16
  Speaker 2: And on a personal level, she's a dear friend and
• 45:18
  Speaker 2: I love and respect her. But watching that play outs
• 45:20
  Speaker 2: the first time I've been that close to a campaign
• 45:23
  Speaker 2: at the cold Face on an election night and watching
• 45:26
  Speaker 2: that swing across the country. I mean, I don't I
• 45:30
  Speaker 2: mean I.
• 45:31
  Speaker 1: Didn't see it.
• 45:32
  Speaker 3: No, And no matter how much hard works someone like
• 45:34
  Speaker 3: her puts and you swept aside by other something that
• 45:38
  Speaker 3: Trump says on the other side of the world, or
• 45:40
  Speaker 3: the fact that there's a very popular premiere in South Australia,
• 45:42
  Speaker 3: people in Malanawskas and all the rest of it.
• 45:45
  Speaker 1: Just going on to the individuals.
• 45:46
  Speaker 3: I was always looking for a little bit of hype
• 45:48
  Speaker 3: by We never thought that Labor would lose this election.
• 45:51
  Speaker 1: Thought they might go into minority.
• 45:53
  Speaker 3: But I was hoping that some of the tills would
• 45:55
  Speaker 3: suffer some damage because I think they were a fraudulent
• 45:58
  Speaker 3: movement and because I think some of them have fanned
• 46:01
  Speaker 3: the flames of anti Semitism in this country. And on
• 46:04
  Speaker 3: Saturday night it wasn't too good. All the tills were
• 46:06
  Speaker 3: looking celebratory.
• 46:08
  Speaker 1: Here's Zoey Daniel in Goldstein.
• 46:11
  Speaker 6: This has been incredibly difficult, really hard.
• 46:18
  Speaker 3: We did it, yeah, as good as claiming victory there Gemma.
• 46:26
  Speaker 1: But it looks like she's probably going to lose that.
• 46:28
  Speaker 2: Sett I had a moment yesterday when I saw Tim Wilson.
• 46:31
  Speaker 2: He tweeted a picture of Ted Lasso turning pointing to
• 46:34
  Speaker 2: the Believe sticker or Believe sign above his office. If
• 46:36
  Speaker 2: you're a Ted Lasso fan, you know what I'm talking about.
• 46:39
  Speaker 3: Look I.
• 46:41
  Speaker 2: Like you, you know, take the climate. Two hundreds Simon
• 46:44
  Speaker 2: Holmes have caught money away from the TILL candidates and
• 46:47
  Speaker 2: they don't exist. Please tell me how they're not a party.
• 46:50
  Speaker 2: Of course, they're a party anyone.
• 46:51
  Speaker 1: It's a duck.
• 46:52
  Speaker 2: It clacks like a duck, seems like a bloody duck.
• 46:54
  Speaker 1: It's a duck.
• 46:54
  Speaker 2: So I'm hopeful that Zoe Daniel will bite the dirt,
• 46:58
  Speaker 2: and I'm hopeful that Monique Ryan, who I saw today
• 47:00
  Speaker 2: has rescinded her victory speech, will also bite the dirt.
• 47:03
  Speaker 2: Because they're cocky, they're entitled, and they're actually they offer nothing.
• 47:07
  Speaker 2: And I saw the member for Curtain who you know,
• 47:10
  Speaker 2: Parro probably has a better read on that seat. But
• 47:11
  Speaker 2: she certainly didn't romp it in. She definitely didn't romp
• 47:14
  Speaker 2: it in. But she's saying in the AFR, oh, you know,
• 47:17
  Speaker 2: the teals can still influence labor agenda. I mean fantasy.
• 47:21
  Speaker 1: That's the great thing. You're actually irrelevant. They are.
• 47:24
  Speaker 3: The Tills are officially irrelevant and on the way down.
• 47:27
  Speaker 1: So that's good news. The other good news is maybe the.
• 47:29
  Speaker 3: Greens on the way down too, with Adam Batt actually
• 47:32
  Speaker 3: fighting to keep his seat. If he loses it, I
• 47:35
  Speaker 3: hope it's because people were disgusted by what he said
• 47:38
  Speaker 3: and done on Israel. I'll show you again this little
• 47:41
  Speaker 3: clip where somebody caught him out.
• 47:43
  Speaker 4: I'm Zach and this is Adamoe.
• 47:46
  Speaker 3: Happy birthday, Zoe.
• 47:47
  Speaker 4: Let's say together, I've demonized the Jewish community for my
• 47:50
  Speaker 4: own political gain.
• 47:53
  Speaker 1: There's a good little Lambush, wasn't it. Caro. You'll take
• 47:56
  Speaker 1: on the Tills and the Greens.
• 48:00
  Speaker 6: I think in relation to the Greens, we've definitely seen
• 48:03
  Speaker 6: them pegged back this election, and I think that is
• 48:06
  Speaker 6: just good for the whole country. I think there's a
• 48:09
  Speaker 6: lot of people who you know, in the past have
• 48:12
  Speaker 6: protests voted the Greens or thought they were like cute,
• 48:14
  Speaker 6: fluffy environmentalists, and in the last term we have just
• 48:19
  Speaker 6: seen what rancid ferals they are. So I'm glad that
• 48:23
  Speaker 6: they're electoral consequences for people like the Greens. Because so
• 48:26
  Speaker 6: far they have carried on as if there are no
• 48:28
  Speaker 6: electoral consequences in so far as the Teals are concerned. Look,
• 48:33
  Speaker 6: it will be interesting to see what happens in both
• 48:35
  Speaker 6: those seats, but also Bradfield up in New South Wales,
• 48:39
  Speaker 6: a seat that was held by the Coalition, which is
• 48:41
  Speaker 6: on a knife edge. And it's really interesting to watch
• 48:44
  Speaker 6: the way that Postals are breaking. And that's why those
• 48:47
  Speaker 6: victory speeches have been rescinded because Postals, particularly in Kuyong
• 48:52
  Speaker 6: and Goldstein, have broken very heavily to the Coalition against
• 48:56
  Speaker 6: the Teals. They are irrelevant and in a seat like Curtain,
• 49:01
  Speaker 6: what I will say, and people always talk about how
• 49:03
  Speaker 6: much money gets spent on these campaigns, what I will
• 49:07
  Speaker 6: say is the money that was spent in Curtain was
• 49:09
  Speaker 6: raised in Curtain by the Liberal campaign, not the money
• 49:14
  Speaker 6: that was spent in the Teal campaign. Most of the
• 49:17
  Speaker 6: big money came out of the Eastern States.
• 49:20
  Speaker 1: Yeah, ye, spot on.
• 49:21
  Speaker 3: Thanks, Look, we've just got time for a quick word
• 49:23
  Speaker 3: from just on personnel. Apart from all the issues on
• 49:27
  Speaker 3: policy and whatever, the Lips need to attract higher.
• 49:30
  Speaker 1: They need to get people like you, They need to
• 49:31
  Speaker 1: win those.
• 49:32
  Speaker 2: Arguments hate me, No, and I do agree with that.
• 49:37
  Speaker 2: I think they need to do the work. And as
• 49:39
  Speaker 2: a liberal voter, they didn't do the work.
• 49:41
  Speaker 1: They didn't.
• 49:41
  Speaker 2: I'm going to vote for them because I ideologically believe
• 49:44
  Speaker 2: conservative is a better pathway. But they did not do
• 49:47
  Speaker 2: the work and that is lazy and they got belted
• 49:49
  Speaker 2: for it.
• 49:50
  Speaker 3: Thanks Jimmy, Thanks Carow out of time. Now here's Peter Quedlin.