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L64 Sasquatch Researcher Mel Skahan · The Eye of Jupiter Podcast

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Speaker 1: All right, guys, this was the live episode I had
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Speaker 1: with Mels Kahan. He's a Native American in the Pacific Northwest.
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Speaker 1: He is a he's like a forest industry guy, and
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Speaker 1: you know, he knows a lot about fires and you know,
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Speaker 1: logs and even logs, you know, like the maintaining of
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Speaker 1: our national force. And he does it for his for
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Speaker 1: his tribe in Oregon. And he started having these encounters
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Speaker 1: with you know, the Sasquatch back I think in nineteen
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Speaker 1: eighty eight, I think he told me eighty nine something
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Speaker 1: like that, and he just kind of goes through, you know,
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Speaker 1: slowly introducing, you know, the subject and how it kind
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Speaker 1: of came into his life and into his purview. And
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Speaker 1: it was a fascinating, like you know breakdown at the
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Speaker 1: beginning of it. There's a lot more to be told.
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Speaker 1: I'm sure of it. I'm going to have him back on.
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Speaker 1: I already told him I want to back on, and
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Speaker 1: he said yes, So he's going to be on again,
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Speaker 1: of course. And he has a great speaking voice. I
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Speaker 1: told him he should be a he should be what
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Speaker 1: they call you should do audio books because he has
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Speaker 1: that kind of voice. And it was a really cool show.
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Speaker 1: It was a live show, which we have every Friday
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Speaker 1: enjoy this live episode with mister mel sca him mm hmmm, Hello, Hi,
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Speaker 1: how are you sir?
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Speaker 2: Oh?
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Speaker 3: I'm doing good and uh, just keep him busy as usual.
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Speaker 3: You know, summer's here, so the high altitude snow melt
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Speaker 3: off is is you know, I can get into the
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Speaker 3: high country again on my camping trips.
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Speaker 1: Oh, that's cool down here. We just started. We did
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Speaker 1: one from the dry season, now we're beginning the wet season.
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Speaker 1: I'm down here on the you don't notice shore, but
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Speaker 1: I'm down here on the Yukatam Peninsula of Mexico. And
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Speaker 1: so it was hot and I mean one hundred and
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Speaker 1: ten for about a month and now we're about ninety
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Speaker 1: five with one hundred percent community. So yeah, we have
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Speaker 1: different different world orls. Yeah, you can get changed in
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Speaker 1: the climate.
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Speaker 2: You went from a coat to a sweater.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I haven't seen winter in about three years. Man,
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Speaker 1: it's really weird. I haven't experienced it in quite a
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Speaker 1: while after moving from Germany to here. So yeah, thanks
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Speaker 1: very much for accepting my invitation were coming on the
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Speaker 1: show that I'm really looking forward to talking to you
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Speaker 1: and seeing the perspective of somebody who knows it from
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Speaker 1: the way, you know, because everyone's different, but I would
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Speaker 1: love to hear your point of view. Sir, Please do
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Speaker 1: me a favorite, introduce yourself to me in the audience
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Speaker 1: as well, and tell me a little bit about yourself
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Speaker 1: and maybe where we can find you if you're promoting something.
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Speaker 3: Okay, well, my name is Meleskhan and I'm an enroll
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Speaker 3: member of the ACCUMM Nation located in central Washington, and
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Speaker 3: the reservation is about one point two million acres and
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Speaker 3: we have three quarters of that is timbered.
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Speaker 2: And so.
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Speaker 3: I have started my I started a forestreet career back
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Speaker 3: in nineteen eighty eight, if I remember, right, been a
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Speaker 3: long while, and then start what I started with the
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Speaker 3: Forest Service down here up here in central Washington, and
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Speaker 3: then decided to take my knowledge and everything back to
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Speaker 3: my home back on the Yakima Reservation, and then spent
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Speaker 3: twenty seven years with them working the forestry program.
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Speaker 2: And that's where my knowledge of.
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Speaker 3: Our object that we're going to be talking about comes
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Speaker 3: from all the encounters that I've had with him, not just.
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Speaker 2: Alone working, but working with others that have you walked
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Speaker 2: alongside me during I take a great deal of the
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Speaker 2: experiences that I've had.
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Speaker 1: Well and so being being a force. I had a
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Speaker 1: gentleman on yesterday who did the same thing. What is
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Speaker 1: his name? His name is Tom Contrell. Oh, yeah, yeah,
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Speaker 1: I was speaking to him yesterday. He basically did the
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Speaker 1: same thing. He'd like worked for the Forestry Service, and
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Speaker 1: he would have to cross creeks and to do that,
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Speaker 1: you have special regulations and stuff, and he said, oh, yeah,
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Speaker 1: then that's you know, that's when it all kind of
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Speaker 1: started for me too. So it's very interesting that two
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Speaker 1: gentlemen a row have that same kind of experience. So
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Speaker 1: how did this all start for you? I mean, where
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Speaker 1: did it begin? Did you have a fascination before this,
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Speaker 1: or did like it just kind of like come.
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Speaker 3: To you growing up as a child. You know, we
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Speaker 3: have certain unwritten laws and unwritten rules that we have
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Speaker 3: to follow, and one of them happened to be involving
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Speaker 3: bigfoot sasquatch, the forest people, and that you know, while
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Speaker 3: we're out, if they do come around, just don't be
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Speaker 3: around them, don't look them in the eyes. And then
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Speaker 3: at night, we had even stricter rules where if we
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Speaker 3: were camping or visiting folks where events may have happened
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Speaker 3: with them, then we weren't allowed to you know, open
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Speaker 3: the window because we always close the blinds, and wouldn't
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Speaker 3: whistle at night, wouldn't take a negative energy of crying
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Speaker 3: or doing anything else like that at night. I mean,
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Speaker 3: there's just just so many things that we had to
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Speaker 3: follow in order not to attract them. But they didn't
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Speaker 3: say anything about well out working what not to do,
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Speaker 3: and it just happens. They're they're there and you know,
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Speaker 3: they've they found me a lot. I didn't go looking
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Speaker 3: for them.
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Speaker 1: Well that's that's that's all. That's interesting. It also seems
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Speaker 1: you can correct me. I'm sure you know a lot
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Speaker 1: more about it than I do. Most certainly do like
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Speaker 1: they seem from what I've understood, they want to show
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Speaker 1: themselves to the people that they want to. But if
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Speaker 1: they don't want to, they can also just say no,
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Speaker 1: I don't want to do that either.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, you have to have a certain relationship.
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Speaker 3: Well, you have to have that that personality that they
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Speaker 3: want to to get to know they don't present themselves
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Speaker 3: to everybody or continually present themselves to everybody, not just
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Speaker 3: the single one, but multiples of them. And you can
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Speaker 3: go to another area, let's say sixty miles within the
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Speaker 3: state of Washington or one hundred miles into the state
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Speaker 3: of Oregon, and you make the contact by putting your
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Speaker 3: name out there. You tell them who you are. Well,
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Speaker 3: you just basically introduce yourself like you and I did
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Speaker 3: at the beginning of the show, and then that relationship
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Speaker 3: develops from there, and then you let them know who
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Speaker 3: you are why you're there, and then if you have
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Speaker 3: family members or friends, then you introduce those people with
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Speaker 3: you and just let them know that we're just here
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Speaker 3: to have you know, a good camp outing and if
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Speaker 3: you want to come around, you're more than welcome.
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Speaker 1: Oh wow, So you're making like an environment, like an
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Speaker 1: inviting atmosphere. You kind of it's probably something you have
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Speaker 1: to speak to yourself within and have some certain type
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Speaker 1: of connection with the forest because I know, I know
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Speaker 1: certainly feel very a piece of the forest. And then
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Speaker 1: you just kind of like just it just kind of happens.
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Speaker 3: You're saying for some people yes, yes, and then they
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Speaker 3: don't choose everybody. And I've known a lot of peop
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Speaker 3: people interviewing them during their encounters, some of them have
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Speaker 3: a negative encounter of a lot of roaring, yelling, screaming,
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Speaker 3: throwing rocks, throwing different items on from the forest floor,
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Speaker 3: from the trees, and you know, trying to get.
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Speaker 2: Them to get out of there.
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Speaker 3: Okay, So it just depends on what you're doing out
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Speaker 3: there that will help that relationship that you want to
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Speaker 3: build with them, and respect is the biggest.
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Speaker 1: Thing, right Okay, So I mean, so how did it start?
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Speaker 1: Like you. So you're out there doing your surveys or
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Speaker 1: whatever it is that you're doing. And how did how
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Speaker 1: did it begin?
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Speaker 3: It all started when, you know, with my four service days,
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Speaker 3: those those folks really didn't talk anything about Bigfoot because
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Speaker 3: it was too vast of a environment to be and
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Speaker 3: if you did speak of it, then it was like,
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Speaker 3: you know, they changed the subject. You know, no, you
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Speaker 3: didn't see anything. No, no, no no. But during my
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Speaker 3: fore service days. It started when I was a Wildlin
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Speaker 3: firefighter and we were on an assignment in Oregon and
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Speaker 3: we had been set out to this portion of the
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Speaker 3: fire which had been the fireland had already been created,
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Speaker 3: and we were trying to create that barrier to So
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Speaker 3: we were going in about thirty to forty feet putting
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Speaker 3: out all the hotspots so that it would not reignite.
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Speaker 3: And there was this deep little draw that we worked
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Speaker 3: in because we worked we were on a night shift
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Speaker 3: and this draw was part of our division that we
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Speaker 3: were working. So my squad was placed out on one
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Speaker 3: side and then you had to go down into the
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Speaker 3: draw and then walk to the other side to catch
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Speaker 3: up with the rest of them. So the first night
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Speaker 3: there was no problem going in and out of this straw.
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Speaker 2: But it was dark.
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Speaker 3: Usually I walked alone catching up with the with the
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Speaker 3: rest of the crew. And then the second night it
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Speaker 3: felt kind of eerie, but I didn't know why, but
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Speaker 3: I had no problem the first night, third night was okay,
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Speaker 3: it wasn't too bad. But then on the fourth day
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Speaker 3: that we were there, they took us out and they
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Speaker 3: replaced us with, of all people, a group of firefighters
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Speaker 3: from my reservation, the Accamanation, and.
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Speaker 2: So they put us on day day duty.
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Speaker 3: And the first night that the Acamanation crew went down
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Speaker 3: in or they started in and out just like we
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Speaker 3: did while we were there nights before, and.
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Speaker 2: They did even get fully lined out.
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Speaker 3: And then one of them saw a bigfoot Sasquatch forest
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Speaker 3: person as he was walking into the walking along the
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Speaker 3: fire line, put his headlight headlamp to the outer portion
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Speaker 3: of the fire and he was standing right there and
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Speaker 3: uh yelled bigfoot and then started running back to the
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Speaker 3: bus or the drop point where they started from. And
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Speaker 3: then one by one, like Domino's, they all just started
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Speaker 3: running back to back to the bus. And when we
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Speaker 3: the next morning the next day, they took a team
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Speaker 3: back in there and the crew the crew supervisor for
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Speaker 3: that bunch had a video camera, and then they walked
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Speaker 3: back in there, and then they found the foot tracks
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Speaker 3: that where he saw it, and then it went into
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Speaker 3: the fire, milled around into the fire, and then.
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Speaker 2: Walked back out and then left.
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Speaker 3: And so the crew did not want to go back
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Speaker 3: in there, and I think that day, that next day
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Speaker 3: they were they were sent home. But if I had
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Speaker 3: one more night in there, I would have had my
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Speaker 3: first sighting way back.
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Speaker 1: With when when was this about?
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Speaker 2: What time was this? This was about nineteen eighty eight,
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Speaker 2: nineteen eighty.
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Speaker 1: Nine, okay, okay, all right, so I was eight years old,
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Speaker 1: all right, Yeah, I've never had anything like that. I
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Speaker 1: grew up in like a metropolitan area. I mean, if
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Speaker 1: you go into western Maryland and Garrett Houney out that
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Speaker 1: way in the appolation, I'm sure or something out there.
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Speaker 1: It just never never occurred. And then when I do
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Speaker 1: go I did go hunting, it was in like you know,
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Speaker 1: little pockets of woods in between you know, developments and
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Speaker 1: things like that. It's but when you got out west
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Speaker 1: where you lived here, it's just such an open area
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Speaker 1: and there's so many places for these you know, for
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Speaker 1: them to thrive and to live and things like that.
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Speaker 1: So it's just and then you know, you all, you
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Speaker 1: probably have heard about them before that, I'm sure probably
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Speaker 1: within you know, within your within your your I would
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Speaker 1: say tribe, I don't want to be respectful, Okay, within
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Speaker 1: your tribe, there's you know a lot of stories passed
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Speaker 1: down to the generations and certain because that's pretty much
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Speaker 1: in every every one of them, you know, even here
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Speaker 1: in Mexico. You know, my my girlfriend's Mayan, so she's
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Speaker 1: Native American as well, and uh, you know, there's certain
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Speaker 1: things that gets carried along. And then when you finally
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Speaker 1: start confronting this, it's a whole different ballgame, isn't it.
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Speaker 2: Yes, it is. And then yeah, it.
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Speaker 3: Especially when you're alone when you're having these experiences, because
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Speaker 3: you know, eventually you learn that when you're in a
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Speaker 3: group setting two or three more than you know, of course,
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Speaker 3: you're going to feel a lot better because you have
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Speaker 3: other people with you. But when you're alone and you know,
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Speaker 3: you get that vibration or you get that sense and
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Speaker 3: then then the hair starts standing up on your on
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Speaker 3: your arms and that you're you're looking around. But when
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Speaker 3: you're with a group, then you were like, hey, you know,
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Speaker 3: do you use anybody else feel that? You know? You
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Speaker 3: can confirm that, you know, the birds just went quiet,
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Speaker 3: the squirrels went quiet. What's going on here?
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Speaker 4: Wow?
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Speaker 1: Could you describe what that feeling is like? Is it's
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Speaker 1: just like you know, I would imagine for someone who's
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Speaker 1: never been out in the maybe you're in a club
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Speaker 1: or a bar and you just feel this undertone of
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Speaker 1: like something's off here and I got to get out
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Speaker 1: of here. Or is it like much more visceral.
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Speaker 3: It just depends on the individual and the contact that
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Speaker 3: it wants to make with you. If it doesn't want
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Speaker 3: you in there, there's a thing that they can do
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Speaker 3: is called infrasounding, and that is a vibration that they
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Speaker 3: send out to you that could be negative or could
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Speaker 3: be positive. And if they don't want you in there,
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Speaker 3: that that infra sounding will be light and you'll get
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Speaker 3: the tingling feeling, you'll get a little bit of nauseousness
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Speaker 3: with it. And then when they when you get closer
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Speaker 3: or don't heat that warning, then that level of infra
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Speaker 3: sound increases to the point where, and this has happened
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Speaker 3: to me many times, where everything in you just doesn't
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Speaker 3: feel right. You feel like nauseous. You know, your eyes hurt,
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Speaker 3: your head hurts, your body starts to ache. And if
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Speaker 3: somebody else is with you and they come up to
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Speaker 3: you and say, hey, what's going on here? Says all
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Speaker 3: of a sudden, you know, I don't feel good. And
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Speaker 3: then I let him know. I says, well, there's somebody
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Speaker 3: here that doesn't want us here. We'll explain to them,
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Speaker 3: you know, because this is our job. That we were
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Speaker 3: here to do a job. And then when we're done,
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Speaker 3: we're walking out and you can have your place back.
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Speaker 1: Well, this is another Native American woman. She is I
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Speaker 1: believe in Oregon as well. And she she's went out
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Speaker 1: in the woods for think it was the last of
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Speaker 1: her kindnes supposed to be a year where they have
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Speaker 1: like a growing up type thing, you know, the ceremonial thing,
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Speaker 1: and she made it seven months. And I've been trying
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Speaker 1: to get her on, but we'll figure it out too.
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Speaker 1: So she always comes in and tags lone. I love
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Speaker 1: to hear what what what is your what? I what
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Speaker 1: does your your tribe?
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Speaker 2: What?
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Speaker 1: What do they say about these about the forest people?
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Speaker 4: You know?
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Speaker 1: Amongst sure you're you're the people that you live with.
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Speaker 3: Well, it just depends on the family units, the longhouses,
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Speaker 3: the different areas of the reservation.
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Speaker 2: Uh.
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Speaker 3: Some say you know they're bad luck, don't don't bother them,
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Speaker 3: And a lot of people also say that, you know,
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Speaker 3: leave them alone, excuse me, leave them alone. And uh,
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Speaker 3: you know if if you do since or come across one,
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Speaker 3: then you know, you just depart. You don't go chasing him,
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Speaker 3: you don't go hunting, and you don't try to gather
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Speaker 3: anything from them. Hairs, Uh, castings pictures. I was always
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Speaker 3: told from the very beginning, you'll never get a picture
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Speaker 3: of one, and that's that's been true to this day.
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Speaker 1: Wow.
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Speaker 3: But I have had friends that taking me places where
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Speaker 3: they have casted the tracks and been around them to
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Speaker 3: follow the tracks.
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Speaker 2: But you know, the cat played with it. You know,
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Speaker 2: they didn't make it really thick.
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Speaker 3: It was a real thing casting and so when they
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Speaker 3: go to pull it out of the ground, it breaks
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Speaker 3: apart because they didn't let it set up, set set
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Speaker 3: long enough, or it was too thin on the bouncer.
20:34
Speaker 2: You ride out that it that it shattered.
20:37
Speaker 3: So the truth of saying to an enrolled member of
20:41
Speaker 3: any tribe is like you'll never collect any evidence or
20:44
Speaker 3: they don't want you to have that evidence unless they
20:47
Speaker 3: present it to you. Uh, then you know, uh it
20:51
Speaker 3: will you know, break or it'll disappear, or you know
20:55
Speaker 3: a little something along that lines.
20:59
Speaker 1: Yeah, I never heard it quite like that. And normally
21:01
Speaker 1: when I hear it's like there either is there isn't,
21:03
Speaker 1: or we didn't let set long enough, or you can't
21:06
Speaker 1: see it. So yeah, I imagine there's some truth to that.
21:09
Speaker 1: Could you take us to could you possibly take us
21:12
Speaker 1: to the first time you had your your personal first
21:14
Speaker 1: encounter with one of the forest people.
21:16
Speaker 2: Okay, Yeah, I was working alone.
21:19
Speaker 3: I just started with a different position within the tribe,
21:24
Speaker 3: and I was I was a timber cruiser and I
21:27
Speaker 3: was sent out to an area and this was right
21:30
Speaker 3: around November, so it just started the snow in that
21:33
Speaker 3: higher elevation and I was sent.
21:38
Speaker 2: Into this spot where the timber was thick.
21:42
Speaker 3: It was a lodgepole pine stand so that it was
21:45
Speaker 3: very closed in and I was in a creek. So
21:52
Speaker 3: within the forestreet practices, we don't there's buffers put in
21:58
Speaker 3: for creeks depending on the floor. And so I was
22:02
Speaker 3: working in this area, I was crossing it and then
22:05
Speaker 3: side I was paralleling this creek getting further and further away,
22:09
Speaker 3: and tell my plots, because sometimes we collect data within
22:14
Speaker 3: that my parient area, and sometimes we don't. And but
22:18
Speaker 3: on this this journey, I had to collect the data
22:21
Speaker 3: in there, and so I had to put my my
22:24
Speaker 3: plots in in this lodge pole stand and it was dark,
22:29
Speaker 3: and then I heard the first growl come at me,
22:33
Speaker 3: and it was and you know, you hear something like
22:39
Speaker 3: that being in the in the woods. You know, you
22:42
Speaker 3: think of all your your main predators, bears, tugers, you
22:46
Speaker 3: go through all that. And I was like, okay, well
22:48
Speaker 3: I've got a bear, you know, off to my right.
22:51
Speaker 3: And so I worked my plot and then picked up
22:55
Speaker 3: and started going to the next one. And when I
22:57
Speaker 3: arrived at the next one, it did it again, but
23:00
Speaker 3: this time that that gral had a vibration to it,
23:04
Speaker 3: and it and it and it just went right through
23:07
Speaker 3: my body. And then I put my hands up and
23:10
Speaker 3: I looked over to the right because I knew exactly.
23:13
Speaker 1: Where where it comes from come from.
23:16
Speaker 3: And so I looked and I couldn't see anything. And
23:19
Speaker 3: then so I dropped to the ground and laid flat
23:22
Speaker 3: on my stomach to see underneath the drooping branches that
23:28
Speaker 3: were there, and I couldn't see anything because it was
23:30
Speaker 3: so dark. So I just, you know, never had this
23:35
Speaker 3: type of encounter with them. This was my first one,
23:39
Speaker 3: and so I went about worked my plot. Then I
23:42
Speaker 3: started going to the next one, and then the third
23:46
Speaker 3: one came out, and then the exact same thing, and
23:53
Speaker 3: then again the vibration went through me, and I put
23:57
Speaker 3: my hands up and I was like, I don't know
23:59
Speaker 3: who you are, what you are, but you know I'm
24:01
Speaker 3: out of here. And so I started walking, not straight
24:08
Speaker 3: back because I knew he was over or she or
24:11
Speaker 3: he was over on my right. So I took a
24:13
Speaker 3: long detour about three quarters of a mile to get
24:18
Speaker 3: back to my truck. And I wasn't followed. I didn't
24:23
Speaker 3: get that sense of being followed as I was walking
24:26
Speaker 3: out and I was taking it nice and slow. And
24:28
Speaker 3: this the stand, the timber stand had change. Once I
24:31
Speaker 3: got out of that drainage, I got up on the
24:35
Speaker 3: hillside and it was more of a open ponderosa pine stand,
24:39
Speaker 3: and so I looped back to get to my truck
24:44
Speaker 3: and then I saw a truck and I was about
24:47
Speaker 3: I was about thirty yards away when I heard this
24:50
Speaker 3: crack crash boom, so a tree had been pushed on
24:57
Speaker 3: and cracked it, and then heard it crash through the
25:00
Speaker 3: trees as it as it hit the ground. After that,
25:03
Speaker 3: and then I put my hands up and I said, okay,
25:06
Speaker 3: I said, I'm out of here. I says, I'm gone.
25:08
Speaker 3: I said, I won't be back for a while. You
25:09
Speaker 3: can have your spot back. And I had gone back
25:13
Speaker 3: down to the office and I told my co workers
25:18
Speaker 3: that I worked with in the same program. I told
25:20
Speaker 3: him what had happened, and I said, I need your
25:23
Speaker 3: guys' help to help me finish this. And both of
25:26
Speaker 3: them said, nope, no.
25:28
Speaker 1: You can.
25:28
Speaker 2: You can. You can finish that by yourself.
25:33
Speaker 1: Oh these are I thought these were like the manly men,
25:36
Speaker 1: you know, the smoke jumpers and stuff. Come on, guys,
25:38
Speaker 1: let's go all right, all right, But I go with you.
25:42
Speaker 1: I going with you. Just get to you know, give
25:44
Speaker 1: me a lista two by forward, a nail in or something,
25:46
Speaker 1: just so I feel that I might be saying.
25:49
Speaker 2: Well.
25:49
Speaker 3: I went back up about three days later, and I
25:54
Speaker 3: went out to finish the area, and but nothing bothered
25:58
Speaker 3: me when I had gotten when I went back.
26:01
Speaker 1: And this was and more or less what year was
26:04
Speaker 1: this then this.
26:05
Speaker 2: Was right around nineteen ninety five, ninety six.
26:10
Speaker 1: All right, so this has been going on for the
26:13
Speaker 1: better part of thirty years.
26:15
Speaker 2: Yeah, yep, pretty much.
26:16
Speaker 1: Wow. Okay, so so how did how did this start
26:21
Speaker 1: working itself out? You just more and more started to happen,
26:24
Speaker 1: and they presented himself to you, what is what has
26:27
Speaker 1: changed since that first incident?
26:30
Speaker 3: And what has changes that now? Realizing talking to co
26:36
Speaker 3: workers that we're having I mean, I have a hunting
26:39
Speaker 3: and fishing buddy. We go up all the time hunting
26:41
Speaker 3: and everything, and then we go down on a lot
26:42
Speaker 3: of Columbia River and do a lot of fishing down there,
26:45
Speaker 3: and we also work together.
26:47
Speaker 2: And I told him about it, and he told me.
26:51
Speaker 3: He says, oh yeah, he says, yeah, yeah, be careful
26:54
Speaker 3: bigfoot out there. And so he then he started sharing
26:58
Speaker 3: his encounters with me while working with the tribe as well,
27:02
Speaker 3: and then working with the Forest Service. He was he
27:04
Speaker 3: had followed like the same steps that I did. And
27:08
Speaker 3: uh so that's how we hit it off, and I
27:10
Speaker 3: think that's how we really became really good friends. And
27:15
Speaker 3: so anything that would happen, we would get told and
27:20
Speaker 3: then we would immediately go out out to the spots
27:25
Speaker 3: and try to try to find something to look for footprints,
27:28
Speaker 3: look for any type of evidence that would show us
27:31
Speaker 3: that they were there. And then you know, of course,
27:33
Speaker 3: you know I explained earlier, is that that's something that
27:36
Speaker 3: our elders told us that no, we're not supposed to
27:39
Speaker 3: be doing that, but we were doing it just to
27:42
Speaker 3: try to not present it to the world but to
27:45
Speaker 3: ourselves that you know, the different foot tracks and you know,
27:49
Speaker 3: the different type of events that we were experiencing while
27:52
Speaker 3: we were there. And you know, that's how this progressed
27:56
Speaker 3: from being scared of him, but also now starting to
28:01
Speaker 3: wonder who they were and how they moved, how they
28:04
Speaker 3: lived and where you know on the reservation that they lived,
28:10
Speaker 3: and how far they would go. And so when we
28:16
Speaker 3: started putting all this together over the years, then we
28:19
Speaker 3: started realizing that there's patterns to their movement. They just
28:24
Speaker 3: don't stay in one location. They'll go forty fifty sixty
28:28
Speaker 3: miles out from the spot where we have located them,
28:32
Speaker 3: and they're moving with the foods, they're moving with the calendar,
28:36
Speaker 3: and they're you know, moving with family units as well.
28:40
Speaker 3: Because we were finding adults with small with small kids
28:47
Speaker 3: with the little ones, and so just this continued progression
28:53
Speaker 3: of seeing all this was like, hey, they're just like us.
28:59
Speaker 3: You know, they're out, they're they're living, they're thriving, and
29:04
Speaker 3: you know they they do it twenty four seven, three
29:08
Speaker 3: sixty five, right, and so people are always want, you know,
29:12
Speaker 3: describing to us as how strong they are, how fast
29:15
Speaker 3: they are, and it was like, well, just i mean,
29:18
Speaker 3: that's what they do. I mean, they have no tools,
29:20
Speaker 3: they don't have electricity, you know, they they they're they're
29:25
Speaker 3: taught from a very young age to start learning how
29:30
Speaker 3: to live and so and that's the interactions that they
29:35
Speaker 3: start doing with everybody that goes out into the woods.
29:39
Speaker 1: You know.
29:40
Speaker 3: It's like when you know, you go to the park,
29:42
Speaker 3: you take your little ones to the park. You want
29:44
Speaker 3: them to play nice with everybody, and they learn, they
29:47
Speaker 3: learn how to do the marry around, they know, they
29:49
Speaker 3: learn how to do the swings, you know, they learn
29:51
Speaker 3: how to interact with other kids. And that's the same
29:54
Speaker 3: thing with these folks, is that they're taught from that
29:58
Speaker 3: same age on how to interrect and be comfortable around
30:04
Speaker 3: certain people.
30:06
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's it makes me wonder when you say that,
30:08
Speaker 1: you know, like they grow up in this environment and
30:11
Speaker 1: we grow up in the environment of this city. It
30:13
Speaker 1: makes me wonder if there was a point in time
30:15
Speaker 1: in our history and our evolutionary biology from a long
30:17
Speaker 1: time ago, especially you know Native Americans and even Native
30:22
Speaker 1: Europeans father back, you know what I mean. It just
30:24
Speaker 1: makes me wonder how much we lost due to this whatever,
30:28
Speaker 1: the silicon based civilization we now find ourselves in.
30:32
Speaker 2: You know, yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean it's a huge loss.
30:34
Speaker 3: I mean, I mean that's why we go out to
30:36
Speaker 3: woods to try to connect and yeah, you know, there
30:39
Speaker 3: there are you know, like certain families that are certain
30:42
Speaker 3: individuals within our our race that have those connections, you know,
30:47
Speaker 3: that be able to see talk uh you know to
30:50
Speaker 3: our past loved ones or you know, and they it's
30:55
Speaker 3: something that is inherited throughout who's ever family that was
31:01
Speaker 3: you know, the mom, the father, and then the kids.
31:04
Speaker 3: The kids pick it up. Just like my family. We
31:07
Speaker 3: we got it from my mother's side of the family.
31:10
Speaker 2: And so at a.
31:11
Speaker 3: Young age, you used to see the spirits used to
31:14
Speaker 3: interact with people. Was like, oh there, you know there
31:18
Speaker 3: talking in the corner.
31:19
Speaker 2: You know, what is he doing?
31:21
Speaker 1: He's out like the medicine. Man, you had that too
31:24
Speaker 1: in your traditions.
31:26
Speaker 2: I wouldn't call that.
31:27
Speaker 3: It was just a special energy that we were able
31:32
Speaker 3: to pick up on. Okay, yeah, and it had to
31:35
Speaker 3: be developed over time, you know. And that's what you know,
31:39
Speaker 3: your your adults, your elders, did you know the ones
31:42
Speaker 3: that do have that ability, they'll tell you. You know,
31:45
Speaker 3: you know, when your mom was your age, I taught
31:47
Speaker 3: her how to and so that's it's it's it's developed
31:52
Speaker 3: as you grow.
31:53
Speaker 1: That's so cool. There's a part of me that that
31:56
Speaker 1: instinctively knows that. And and and you know, you try
31:59
Speaker 1: to dive through you know, you know, Eastern mysticism like
32:03
Speaker 1: meditation and things like that. You're able to achieve some
32:05
Speaker 1: states of that. But I think we've lost so much
32:08
Speaker 1: through you know what we do. I think, like you're saying,
32:11
Speaker 1: I think we just took two different evolutionary paths, which
32:13
Speaker 1: is like, no, we're staying in the forest and we're
32:15
Speaker 1: going to be the masters of our reality. And you
32:18
Speaker 1: guys go into your houses and make your ram and
32:20
Speaker 1: noodles or whatever, and it's just so crazy.
32:24
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly, And that's uh, you know, you know,
32:29
Speaker 3: and in our tradition and everything is that when we
32:32
Speaker 3: do come across them, I said, you know, I explained
32:34
Speaker 3: that it was a fisherman and a hunter and a.
32:36
Speaker 2: Gatherer as well.
32:38
Speaker 3: And so if we're out gathering huckleberries first foods, roots, wildcarets,
32:43
Speaker 3: wild salary, and if one comes around, or if we
32:47
Speaker 3: know one is there, then what if we have collected
32:50
Speaker 3: we leave it behind and we can kidding myself because
32:54
Speaker 3: you know that they're there for a reason. I mean
32:56
Speaker 3: that that's what they live off. And then so you know,
32:59
Speaker 3: we want to take from them because that's their life.
33:02
Speaker 3: You know, we can go someplace else, jump in a
33:05
Speaker 3: car and go to another site and do that all
33:07
Speaker 3: over again where it could take them you know, you know,
33:10
Speaker 3: half a day, quarter of a day to get to
33:12
Speaker 3: another spot because we we've like overpicked or overgrazed the
33:18
Speaker 3: area for them. It's like I want to do that.
33:22
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like a coexistence of sorts, Like we know
33:24
Speaker 1: you're here, you know we're here. You don't really want
33:27
Speaker 1: to interact with us so much, but at the same time,
33:29
Speaker 1: we want to make sure that you guys, we know
33:32
Speaker 1: that you were probably here before us, and you're the
33:35
Speaker 1: masters of the domain and we're here, okay, here, take
33:39
Speaker 1: this what what?
33:41
Speaker 4: What was?
33:41
Speaker 1: What was it? Have you ever seen one before? Yes?
33:44
Speaker 2: I have.
33:45
Speaker 1: Could you describe that situation, walk us into it and
33:49
Speaker 1: for the layman that's myself, maybe you know, give us
33:51
Speaker 1: give me a description of what they look like.
33:54
Speaker 2: Okay.
33:55
Speaker 3: We I had a co worker with me and he
33:58
Speaker 3: had had experiences while working for Shoot with the tribe
34:01
Speaker 3: as well. So we were talking different stories while he
34:05
Speaker 3: was while we were working together for the about I
34:09
Speaker 3: think we were together about a month when this happened.
34:12
Speaker 3: And so we go up talk stories. You know, I've
34:14
Speaker 3: been up here. We drive by locations and he says,
34:17
Speaker 3: you know, this spot right here, one chased me out
34:21
Speaker 3: and or another time, you know, one had screened at
34:24
Speaker 3: me or threw stuff at me. So he had a
34:26
Speaker 3: lot of encounters. So we're going up to this spot
34:29
Speaker 3: to try to find an easier way over the hillside.
34:33
Speaker 3: And he's in a passenger seat and I'm driving. And
34:39
Speaker 3: so this was about one o'clock in the afternoon, so
34:41
Speaker 3: you know, bright day sun was out, and as we're
34:45
Speaker 3: driving through this spot on this dirt road, he got
34:51
Speaker 3: quiet and then he looked at me. He goes, there
34:54
Speaker 3: was something back there, and I said, well, what was it?
34:57
Speaker 3: And he goes, I don't know. So I stopped the
35:00
Speaker 3: vehicle and I was backing it up, and I go, well,
35:07
Speaker 3: what did you see? He goes, I can't, I don't know.
35:10
Speaker 3: You know, he was just stammering and everything, and he
35:12
Speaker 3: was So I backed the truck up, and then I
35:16
Speaker 3: turned to my left to make sure I don't hit it.
35:18
Speaker 3: I was looking in the mirror, and then off to
35:21
Speaker 3: the right he was looking, and then he goes.
35:24
Speaker 2: There it goes.
35:25
Speaker 3: And then I immediately looked off to his direction and
35:32
Speaker 3: there was one standing out in the open. This area
35:36
Speaker 3: had been logged with a pond, right next to a
35:39
Speaker 3: ponderosa pine tree, and he was arm was fully extended out, kind.
35:44
Speaker 2: Of like leaning on it.
35:45
Speaker 1: Wow.
35:46
Speaker 3: And then when he said there it goes, then that's
35:50
Speaker 3: when it dropped its right arm and then turned to
35:54
Speaker 3: its left, took a couple of steps, and then started
35:58
Speaker 3: to run uh away from us. Okay, So as it
36:05
Speaker 3: dropped its arm and started turning to its left, that's
36:08
Speaker 3: when I saw it. And so I saw I saw
36:11
Speaker 3: this huge he was We estimated to him to be
36:15
Speaker 3: about seven and a half to eight foot tall, and
36:18
Speaker 3: he was dark black in color and had a sol
36:21
Speaker 3: solid athletic build. I mean you could see the huge
36:24
Speaker 3: muscles on this. And we figured, you know, over time,
36:28
Speaker 3: I figured that after being in this that you know,
36:32
Speaker 3: the younger males, the younger females are thinner, you know,
36:36
Speaker 3: just like we are. When we grew up, you know,
36:38
Speaker 3: we were into sports and everything and wanted to be, you know,
36:43
Speaker 3: masters of whatever sporting event or after school goal that
36:49
Speaker 3: we were trying to do. And so he was built
36:53
Speaker 3: and then he was black in color, saw not a
36:57
Speaker 3: huge sagittal crest to the top of the but as
37:01
Speaker 3: he's moving away, I could see the shoulder movement as
37:05
Speaker 3: he had his arms straight down, and then he would
37:08
Speaker 3: swinging as he was running, and he moved so fast.
37:14
Speaker 2: And then he as he.
37:16
Speaker 3: Was running away, running away from us, then he turned
37:19
Speaker 3: to his right and then started running that direction. So
37:24
Speaker 3: he changed his ninety degrees to the right and then
37:29
Speaker 3: turned back to the left, and then then he was
37:33
Speaker 3: out of sight.
37:34
Speaker 4: Wow.
37:35
Speaker 3: And I used to say disappear, But when I say disappear,
37:38
Speaker 3: then people are like, well he vanished, like no, So
37:42
Speaker 3: I said, no, he got out of our sight, and
37:45
Speaker 3: that I remembered I had a camera in my vest,
37:48
Speaker 3: so I grabbed my vest and then I went and
37:52
Speaker 3: I started out after it. I started following the foot tracks,
37:57
Speaker 3: which were basically just impressions in the ground, because, like
38:00
Speaker 3: I stated early, this area was logged and so there
38:05
Speaker 3: wasn't a lot of dirt in there other than forestreet debris, branches, needles,
38:10
Speaker 3: tree needles and all that, and so I could see
38:13
Speaker 3: the impressions in the ground and I started following those.
38:16
Speaker 2: And then as a.
38:17
Speaker 3: Hunter, when when you wound an animal, you want to
38:19
Speaker 3: follow it to make sure that you don't make it
38:22
Speaker 3: let it suffer. So I started putting put ribbons on
38:25
Speaker 3: the ground where I was finding the tracks, and then
38:28
Speaker 3: I located where he left the flat area that we
38:32
Speaker 3: were on, and then he went downhill, which was about
38:36
Speaker 3: sixty to seventy percent, and then just I just let
38:40
Speaker 3: him go after that.
38:41
Speaker 2: And then I.
38:43
Speaker 3: Looked back and I saw my coworker was getting out
38:46
Speaker 3: of the truck and he started walking towards me, and
38:50
Speaker 3: he goes, why'd you stop. I says, well, I'm not
38:54
Speaker 3: gonna I'm not gonna go after him anymore. I mean,
38:56
Speaker 3: he's he's already over the hill.
38:58
Speaker 2: Wow.
38:59
Speaker 3: So we sat there talked about it for a while,
39:03
Speaker 3: and he couldn't get a really good estimation on the
39:07
Speaker 3: foot track on the feet itself because it was you know,
39:11
Speaker 3: impressions in the forestry debris. So you know, the height
39:16
Speaker 3: came from. We estimated it from when I grabbed a
39:19
Speaker 3: stick and I put it up in the air, because
39:20
Speaker 3: he was the one that initially saw where it was
39:22
Speaker 3: standing next to the tree. And so that's how we
39:25
Speaker 3: came up to around seven and a half to eight
39:26
Speaker 3: foot tall. And like I said, he was black in color,
39:31
Speaker 3: very muscular, and always kept his arms down by his
39:36
Speaker 3: side when he was running.
39:38
Speaker 1: He didn't run right, which is so different than what
39:40
Speaker 1: we do right.
39:41
Speaker 3: Yeah, So he kept him down on his side, and
39:43
Speaker 3: he was moving, you know, back and forth, and then
39:47
Speaker 3: looking at his large shoulders as they I mean, he
39:50
Speaker 3: was wide. And then so I started putting more ribbons
39:57
Speaker 3: in the ground. I started reach racing the steps when
40:01
Speaker 3: he took off, and it started off as a shuffle
40:06
Speaker 3: to the left, I mean, just because he was turning
40:09
Speaker 3: to the left, and then you know, it was just
40:12
Speaker 3: a matter of inches when he was shuffling to his
40:15
Speaker 3: left and then when he started on the full run
40:19
Speaker 3: this direction away from us, he started off at four feet,
40:24
Speaker 3: then it went to five feet, and then seven feet
40:29
Speaker 3: and then nine feet wow feet, so he had a
40:33
Speaker 3: twelve foot stride on a full run.
40:39
Speaker 1: So people get an understanding a basketball court if you're
40:42
Speaker 1: letting out the court, but the actual rim, if you
40:43
Speaker 1: lay that down at his ten feet, I'm six foot four.
40:47
Speaker 1: If I reach up, I'm reaching about seven and a
40:49
Speaker 1: half eight foot, So that's that plus another four feet.
40:53
Speaker 1: That's half a sees that's incredible. How does it make
40:56
Speaker 1: you feel to see something that, by scientific standards isn't
41:00
Speaker 1: supposed to exist? What did that make you feel in
41:02
Speaker 1: that moment with the gentleman you were with? Well, I mean.
41:08
Speaker 3: I knew immediately what I was looking at was something
41:12
Speaker 3: very very rare, and I had been waiting for such
41:16
Speaker 3: a long time because I've been following him for a
41:19
Speaker 3: while without actually seeing them. Might but hear them. I
41:22
Speaker 3: would hear them moving around. I would hear the woodnogs.
41:24
Speaker 3: That would hear the whoops, I'd hear the whistles, you know,
41:26
Speaker 3: all all the communication that they would have. But I've
41:29
Speaker 3: never had a signing up until that point and then
41:32
Speaker 3: when I did, I tried to just remember everything about
41:36
Speaker 3: it as it was happening. I mean, it was it
41:39
Speaker 3: was in an instant and like people you say, you know,
41:41
Speaker 3: why didn't you get a picture, It was like, well
41:44
Speaker 3: it didn't. Ye want to lose your focus off of
41:47
Speaker 3: it because this thing was so fast, so big, so dark,
41:51
Speaker 3: and so big. I mean, he it was fascinating to
41:57
Speaker 3: watch it, but to see, you know, putting all that
42:00
Speaker 3: together on the ground on his full on run stride
42:05
Speaker 3: was really really impressive to see. And so we just
42:11
Speaker 3: sat there, looked over the hillside, and he didn't make
42:15
Speaker 3: a sound or anything else while we were there. We
42:18
Speaker 3: sat there for about a half hour after we laid
42:22
Speaker 3: everything out, and then we just went to finish our
42:25
Speaker 3: location of our job site. And then so this is
42:30
Speaker 3: a two part story, so we had we had to
42:35
Speaker 3: go back in there the next day to go over
42:39
Speaker 3: the hill where he had gone, and so we got
42:43
Speaker 3: back up there about seven thirty eight o'clock in the
42:45
Speaker 3: morning and then just decided just to cross country and
42:49
Speaker 3: just head straight down the hill. And as we were
42:52
Speaker 3: working our way down, we were about a half a
42:54
Speaker 3: mile down when we came out to this rockout cropping,
43:00
Speaker 3: and so we were like, you know, steep hill, rough terrain,
43:05
Speaker 3: don't want to walk back up there. Let's find somebody
43:09
Speaker 3: that we can get a hold of on the radio.
43:11
Speaker 2: Pick us up at the bottom and they can take
43:12
Speaker 2: us around to our truck on top.
43:15
Speaker 1: Right.
43:15
Speaker 2: And so he hands me the radio.
43:18
Speaker 3: I start calling out and then he picks up basketball
43:22
Speaker 3: sized rock and then he rolls it over the hill
43:25
Speaker 3: and we're, you know, we're looking about let's see eighty percent.
43:28
Speaker 3: I mean, it's it's steep, and that's how We're watching
43:31
Speaker 3: the rock roll down the hill. And as I'm watching it,
43:35
Speaker 3: there was something down there that went really quick like this,
43:40
Speaker 3: And so I was watching the rock and then you know,
43:43
Speaker 3: a flash of that and I handed in the radio.
43:47
Speaker 3: I said, there's something down there, said I'm gonna go
43:50
Speaker 3: take a look and see what it was.
43:52
Speaker 2: So uh, he picked up.
43:54
Speaker 3: Another rock, and then you know, he tumbled another rock
43:58
Speaker 3: down and when I didn't see anything else but he
44:06
Speaker 3: I went down to the spot and all I saw
44:09
Speaker 3: were scuff marks in the soil. But then when I
44:14
Speaker 3: went further down over the hill, well I started finding
44:19
Speaker 3: not clear tracks in the dirt, but where it took
44:25
Speaker 3: off down the hill and sue, as I'm following it
44:29
Speaker 3: down the hill, his heel would hit in the soft
44:35
Speaker 3: soil and he had god slid down about four five
44:40
Speaker 3: feet six feet, So he was on a full run
44:45
Speaker 3: heel slide and then then his stride and then strike
44:51
Speaker 3: you with the heel again, then slide, and then he
44:54
Speaker 3: was doing this on a full run straight down the hill.
44:59
Speaker 3: And then he hooked off to the left, and then
45:02
Speaker 3: that's when I stopped tracking him because he got into
45:05
Speaker 3: a more rocky soil, rocky terrain. And then so I
45:11
Speaker 3: started going back up and then measuring everything back out again.
45:15
Speaker 3: And when I got inside of my partner, then I
45:20
Speaker 3: looked up, and then I went back to measuring, and
45:25
Speaker 3: then I worked my way up closer to him, and
45:28
Speaker 3: then when I looked up, he started running. He started
45:34
Speaker 3: running across the slope and then down towards me, and
45:37
Speaker 3: then there was a rock that was rolling where he
45:41
Speaker 3: was where he was at, and he gets to me
45:45
Speaker 3: and he goes, did you hear it? And I said no,
45:49
Speaker 3: I said I didn't hear anything. I told him I
45:51
Speaker 3: saw you kicked that rock loose up there, and he goes,
45:54
Speaker 3: I didn't kick that rock loose.
45:55
Speaker 2: That rock was thrown.
45:56
Speaker 3: At me, and I went, oh, what, he goes, Yeah,
46:00
Speaker 3: it was throwing at mean, he goes, I heard this look.
46:05
Speaker 2: And then I turned around and I looked up and
46:08
Speaker 2: next thing you know, I see this rock being tossed.
46:11
Speaker 2: He said.
46:12
Speaker 3: It wasn't rolling along the ground. This thing was hurled
46:15
Speaker 3: right at being. It landed right next to me on
46:17
Speaker 3: my left side. And then that's when I started running
46:20
Speaker 3: down to you. And so I went running up there
46:24
Speaker 3: to see if I could find the tracks, and then
46:26
Speaker 3: couldn't find anything. And so we worked our way to
46:30
Speaker 3: the plot, worked out our plot, and then it was
46:33
Speaker 3: it was late. It was like nine o'clock when we
46:36
Speaker 3: got back to the truck. And on because he he
46:42
Speaker 3: was too afraid to go back up the slope because
46:45
Speaker 3: of what had just happened to him, and so on
46:49
Speaker 3: the way up he would stop being. He goes, what
46:53
Speaker 3: are these tracks? It was like, it's a bear. And
46:55
Speaker 3: then we walk up again, you find more that's a bear.
46:58
Speaker 3: And then the third the third set of tracks that
47:01
Speaker 3: he found that I said, well, there you go, there's
47:04
Speaker 3: your rock thrower.
47:05
Speaker 2: I said. He went down that game trailing into the
47:07
Speaker 2: timber right there.
47:08
Speaker 3: And so we get back to the truck, and you know,
47:12
Speaker 3: I always told them stories about events, and he got
47:14
Speaker 3: he wondered why he was chosen by him to have
47:21
Speaker 3: that rock tossed at him, and I was like, well,
47:24
Speaker 3: come on, you you rolled two rocks down the hill
47:27
Speaker 3: and I told you down there, so I didn't roll
47:30
Speaker 3: the rock you did.
47:31
Speaker 2: So he circled above you.
47:33
Speaker 1: And then oh, there's kind of like a little tit
47:40
Speaker 1: for that game. I guess. My next question though, would be,
47:43
Speaker 1: is like, okay, these are all by chance. You know,
47:48
Speaker 1: you're working, you know, and as you're doing your job,
47:50
Speaker 1: you know, making your money, feeding your family, and you
47:53
Speaker 1: you come across these these these these forest people. Do
47:56
Speaker 1: you now go out separately and actually look for them
47:59
Speaker 1: or what is your process?
48:01
Speaker 4: Now?
48:02
Speaker 2: No, I don't.
48:03
Speaker 3: I don't go looking for my event that happened to
48:06
Speaker 3: me changed my life, changed the way I did things,
48:09
Speaker 3: and then changed my relationship with them. Years ago, I
48:12
Speaker 3: found some hair. Uh, while we were working, I collected
48:16
Speaker 3: the hair, put it away. You know, people would come
48:19
Speaker 3: to me and say, how do you know those are
48:20
Speaker 3: bigfoot hairs? I said, because what made him made this nest?
48:24
Speaker 3: And it and it wove everything together. And I said,
48:28
Speaker 3: bears don't do that, you know, deer don't that. They
48:31
Speaker 3: just slide everything into a out of the out of
48:35
Speaker 3: the center and then.
48:36
Speaker 1: Something It din't have to have an opposing thune just
48:38
Speaker 1: to you have to have something to grips of that
48:40
Speaker 1: I mean raccoons maybe.
48:43
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, and so uh yeah, So you know, everything
48:46
Speaker 3: was intertwined and I'm going through it and I'm pulling
48:49
Speaker 3: plucking out hairs, and then and and so a couple
48:53
Speaker 3: of a couple of years later, I was attending a
48:57
Speaker 3: house cleansing ceremony when the shaw men was making trying
49:03
Speaker 3: to get the how the spirit that was bothering the
49:06
Speaker 3: house out, and he told us during this that each
49:12
Speaker 3: one of us that were there, and there was twenty
49:14
Speaker 3: plus people that were there, and I said, each one
49:18
Speaker 3: of us was going to have a different experience. A
49:20
Speaker 3: past friend, past relative, you know, would come by and
49:23
Speaker 3: say hello, because they would be called in to assist
49:27
Speaker 3: to help not force this spirit like people do, but
49:31
Speaker 3: help guide it out. And that's what they wanted to do,
49:34
Speaker 3: was a gentle you know, these these folks to bring
49:37
Speaker 3: it out. And so when we started, I had no idea.
49:43
Speaker 3: It was the first time I'd ever been through anything
49:45
Speaker 3: like this, and it was pitch black. I can put
49:48
Speaker 3: my handlin in her hair and not see my hand
49:50
Speaker 3: at people sitting on the floor next to me. And
49:53
Speaker 3: then when the songs, when a ceremony started, nothing happened
49:58
Speaker 3: on the first song, but then on the second song,
50:01
Speaker 3: you know, you could feel the air change. He sent
50:08
Speaker 3: out a vibration from himself that just came from him
50:13
Speaker 3: and out to the on the floor underneath all of us,
50:18
Speaker 3: and then it went up into the ceiling. And I
50:20
Speaker 3: turned to the person to the left. I was like,
50:22
Speaker 3: but the forest vibrating or was it just me? And
50:25
Speaker 3: she goes, now the floor is vibrating and so and
50:28
Speaker 3: I'm like, I don't know what's going I kept pitch black,
50:33
Speaker 3: and so the third song started, and then that's when
50:39
Speaker 3: this event changed my life. Was I heard something walking
50:44
Speaker 3: around in the back and then I heard this, and
50:52
Speaker 3: I was like, I've heard it.
50:54
Speaker 4: Scared, that's scared, And the way you did that just scared.
50:58
Speaker 4: I got Harrison. I swore that was very good. You're
51:02
Speaker 4: really good at setting up the whole. Like I'm in
51:04
Speaker 4: the room with you now, this is great.
51:06
Speaker 3: Please, and so this this little whoop comes out, and
51:11
Speaker 3: I was like, I've heard this. And then I put
51:13
Speaker 3: my head down and I said, if if you are
51:15
Speaker 3: who I think you are, your whoop one more time.
51:18
Speaker 3: And then it went immediately. And then I was like, oh, no,
51:25
Speaker 3: no way, no way, this can't be a white You know,
51:28
Speaker 3: I've got a Sasquatch spirit coming to be. You know,
51:31
Speaker 3: everybody else, he said, you know, people, relatives, friends, you know.
51:36
Speaker 3: And so as I'm sitting there on the floor, I
51:42
Speaker 3: hear the boom boom the steps coming down the hallway
51:46
Speaker 3: towards towards us in the living room. And I don't
51:49
Speaker 3: know if anybody else is experienced in this or not,
51:52
Speaker 3: but you know, the singing and the drumming are going
51:55
Speaker 3: on by by the family here there. And he got
52:00
Speaker 3: into the living room and then he stepped towards my direction,
52:07
Speaker 3: but on the opposite side of the room yet. And
52:09
Speaker 3: then as he got closer than he started jumping. I
52:13
Speaker 3: mean just I could feel him jump, and I can
52:16
Speaker 3: feel him jumping on the floor and I could hear.
52:18
Speaker 2: Him going.
52:24
Speaker 3: And he was just boom boom jumping, and it was
52:29
Speaker 3: so loud that I almost I tried to cover my ears.
52:32
Speaker 3: But he's right in front of me, and he's doing
52:34
Speaker 3: all this, and he's and he's not just in front
52:38
Speaker 3: of me, but he's moving to the left, he's moving
52:40
Speaker 3: to the ract. And I had no idea what was
52:46
Speaker 3: going on. And this song as it was ending, he
52:50
Speaker 3: stopped jumping or dancing, and then he started walking back
52:55
Speaker 3: down the hallway and I could hear him stepping back
52:58
Speaker 3: down into the hallway, and then the song was over,
53:02
Speaker 3: and then he was gone. And then uh.
53:08
Speaker 1: He.
53:10
Speaker 3: The leader, the shaman, the medicine man. He started going
53:15
Speaker 3: around the room. You had, you had, you had so
53:18
Speaker 3: and so, you had a friend, you had your family
53:20
Speaker 3: member come over, touch you on the shoulder and try
53:22
Speaker 3: to community in communication with you. And then he gets
53:25
Speaker 3: around to me and he goes, well, you got something
53:27
Speaker 3: attached to you that you shouldn't and it once sit back,
53:33
Speaker 3: and so he goes to clear this up between the
53:37
Speaker 3: two of you. See me, after this, I will give
53:41
Speaker 3: you steps, have a ceremony set for you to return
53:45
Speaker 3: what you have taken.
53:47
Speaker 1: And then so the hair.
53:53
Speaker 3: Yeah, and so when I collected everything that he wanted
53:58
Speaker 3: that I needed, Uh, I was supposed to just walk
54:01
Speaker 3: out of the house and not tell anybody. And so
54:04
Speaker 3: I drove out to the site where the hair was collected,
54:07
Speaker 3: and when I walked down over the hill, I did
54:14
Speaker 3: this little ceremony that he told me to the offerings
54:19
Speaker 3: and everything in the prayer, and then finally offering the
54:22
Speaker 3: hair back to the individual. And so after I was done,
54:28
Speaker 3: I looked down to hill and I looked around and
54:31
Speaker 3: I go, I've done everything that I was asked are
54:36
Speaker 3: we Are we good? And you know it was something
54:39
Speaker 3: he told me I didn't have. I did this on
54:42
Speaker 3: my own, and then down the hill for me, I
54:45
Speaker 3: get this and I said, thank you. I don't be sasquatch,
55:01
Speaker 3: but I'm guessing that we're good. And then I packed
55:04
Speaker 3: everything up and I walked up back up to my vehicle.
55:08
Speaker 2: And then.
55:09
Speaker 3: Ever since then, my whole life's had changed with my
55:12
Speaker 3: interactions with them, because I get told, I get told
55:16
Speaker 3: by others that are intuitive more than I am at
55:20
Speaker 3: that time that they know who you are and they
55:24
Speaker 3: respect what they you did for the one.
55:27
Speaker 1: Wow, what I would love to We'll have to do
55:31
Speaker 1: this on another date to get more into like the
55:33
Speaker 1: I was trying to. We're setting up baseline, So what
55:36
Speaker 1: do you what are you planning on doing with all
55:38
Speaker 1: this information? Are you just trying to inform people about
55:41
Speaker 1: your experiences so that maybe when they go when they're
55:44
Speaker 1: a little more respectful or what is it that you
55:47
Speaker 1: your reason for coming on.
55:48
Speaker 3: Today, Well, I'm always sharing. You know, I learned from
55:54
Speaker 3: my elders. I eventually learned from my answers. It took
55:58
Speaker 3: a while, you know, took a couple of rocks to
56:00
Speaker 3: the head, you know, but you know the teachings that
56:04
Speaker 3: you know that are handed down to not just be
56:05
Speaker 3: but to everybody. You know, respect that because you know
56:10
Speaker 3: that experience, those experiences come from somewhere.
56:14
Speaker 2: And if you if.
56:15
Speaker 3: You think that, don't know, you know, it's not going
56:17
Speaker 3: to happen to me, Well you're going to be wrong,
56:20
Speaker 3: and you know you're gonna get righted for those experiences.
56:25
Speaker 3: And but to me, what I've learned, I want to
56:29
Speaker 3: make sure that everybody else also learns from here on
56:35
Speaker 3: that the respect that they you need to show them
56:38
Speaker 3: and to be a great neighbor. And you know, if
56:40
Speaker 3: they are in an area and they don't want you
56:43
Speaker 3: in the area, or if you're acting like a like
56:45
Speaker 3: a lunatic shooting guns or you know, do all this,
56:49
Speaker 3: you know, obnoxious stuff that you're you know, you're not
56:52
Speaker 3: treating Mother Earth correctly. They're gonna let you know and
56:56
Speaker 3: they're not gonna want you round. And so that's the
57:00
Speaker 3: teachings that I'm trying to to present. And it's not
57:05
Speaker 3: just me, but it's everybody else that I go out with.
57:08
Speaker 3: There's there's many people that I've made friends with that
57:11
Speaker 3: we are now not going out there wood knocking, We're
57:14
Speaker 3: not going out there hooting, We're not we're not trying
57:16
Speaker 3: to attract them because they already know you're Kevin. They
57:20
Speaker 3: already know who you are, and they already know that
57:23
Speaker 3: you're going to come to that spot. So you've got
57:26
Speaker 3: to give them a lot more credit. You you got
57:28
Speaker 3: to get out of here, you know what you think
57:31
Speaker 3: you know And no, you've got to keep that open mind,
57:34
Speaker 3: open heart, and your advancement and your your communication with them,
57:39
Speaker 3: your your interactions with them will grow stronger.
57:43
Speaker 1: So, I mean, I don't know if it's because of
57:46
Speaker 1: the Internet or or if it's because of you know
57:48
Speaker 1: that they're stepping up there, they're connected this to us.
57:52
Speaker 1: Do you think they're they're coming forth and like connecting
57:55
Speaker 1: with certain people to impart certain wisdom about their of living,
58:00
Speaker 1: about there being about who appreciate that.
58:03
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, I I I do.
58:05
Speaker 3: And I mean if you're if you're you're out there
58:11
Speaker 3: to expose them, if you're out there to to make
58:15
Speaker 3: them known to other people or to to the world,
58:18
Speaker 3: then you know you're you're you're you're in this for
58:21
Speaker 3: the wrong reasons. It's got to be a journey within
58:24
Speaker 3: that you have to pursue with them. And then once
58:27
Speaker 3: you make that communication, once you're once that that that
58:32
Speaker 3: light starts to shine and get brighter, then then you'll
58:36
Speaker 3: know that you're doing this correctly. And but if you're
58:39
Speaker 3: out there to expose them, they're not gonna do anything
58:43
Speaker 3: with you. They're they're gonna stay away. They're gonna know
58:45
Speaker 3: who you are. If you repeat repeat to the areas.
58:50
Speaker 3: They know your vehicle, they they know you, they know
58:53
Speaker 3: your family that you come out there with. Uh and
58:57
Speaker 3: uh so, I mean they they they they have learned
59:01
Speaker 3: over the years to get that knowledge and create that
59:05
Speaker 3: network to the other one. It's like, ohs town, we
59:08
Speaker 3: don't want time up here.
59:09
Speaker 1: Tom It won't be the first time I've heard of me.
59:15
Speaker 2: But he's got metal with them, so you know, he's cool.
59:19
Speaker 1: Yeah, maybe one day. There's there's certain people that I,
59:22
Speaker 1: you know, I wouldn't want to go with, and there's
59:23
Speaker 1: certain people like yourself, I would want to go with. Uh.
59:26
Speaker 1: With that experience you had with the medicine man and
59:29
Speaker 1: then the physical connected what what would you say they
59:32
Speaker 1: are or what like your best? How would you describe
59:36
Speaker 1: them best? To somebody who doesn't who's never heard of them, Say,
59:39
Speaker 1: you're from the middle another planet and you were like,
59:41
Speaker 1: we have these creatures here, Oh, what are they? How
59:44
Speaker 1: would you describe them to them?
59:47
Speaker 3: I would describe them as the one of the original
59:51
Speaker 3: beings that were put on this earth to live in
59:54
Speaker 3: coin coexistence with the with the rest of life around
59:58
Speaker 3: here and have maintained who they are since they've arrived.
1:00:03
Speaker 3: And Uh, each one of them, each group of them,
1:00:07
Speaker 3: they're they're all family. Every one of them is connected
1:00:10
Speaker 3: with each other, and each one of them, as you know,
1:00:14
Speaker 3: responsible h has has a job within that unit to protect,
1:00:20
Speaker 3: to watch, to teach.
1:00:23
Speaker 2: You know. It's just like our system that we have here.
1:00:27
Speaker 3: And so I mean that's that's the best I can
1:00:30
Speaker 3: describe it, that they're there they are us, but in
1:00:35
Speaker 3: tune with.
1:00:38
Speaker 2: The original, the original who they are.
1:00:43
Speaker 1: Right, Hopefully, hopefully, I think we're I don't know. There's
1:00:47
Speaker 1: a part of me that believes that we're headed back
1:00:48
Speaker 1: that way. I mean, you know, if you watch the news,
1:00:50
Speaker 1: you're gonna go no, it's not true. But at the
1:00:52
Speaker 1: same time, I've keep I've seem to be running into
1:00:55
Speaker 1: a lot of people. You know, you make this this,
1:00:57
Speaker 1: you know this the show, and you start talking to
1:01:00
Speaker 1: people and you realize I'm connected and I know this person,
1:01:03
Speaker 1: or you should talk to this person. You realize that
1:01:05
Speaker 1: more and more people are starting to be more connected
1:01:09
Speaker 1: with the environment, with one another. And I hope we
1:01:12
Speaker 1: keep going that way. And before I get you ropped
1:01:17
Speaker 1: out of here, is there anything that you're promoting to
1:01:18
Speaker 1: Damil that I can help you with?
1:01:20
Speaker 2: Well, I go around to different conferences.
1:01:25
Speaker 3: I'm doing a conference up in Chiliwac, British Columbia in September.
1:01:33
Speaker 3: All the presenters haven't been announced yet, but they got a.
1:01:38
Speaker 2: Hold of me.
1:01:39
Speaker 3: I was up there last year, and so he wanted
1:01:41
Speaker 3: me to come back, and so I said yes, And
1:01:45
Speaker 3: so it's a September. I think the nineteenth if I remember, right.
1:01:50
Speaker 3: And then also I helped put on our conference on
1:01:57
Speaker 3: the accumenation and the city city Yaka, which is called
1:02:01
Speaker 3: the organ or the organ it's called it's called the
1:02:04
Speaker 3: yakam A Bigfoot Con. And so we've already booked our guests.
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Speaker 3: And uh, it's the week the weekend before a Halloween,
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Speaker 3: and so you know, if anybody is interested in traveling
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Speaker 3: out to Yakima, then you know, look it up the
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Speaker 3: yak my chavor commerce website, the city Yakima, and well
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Speaker 3: we can we'll put on there.
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Speaker 1: But can we also find your information on your LinkedIn?
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Speaker 1: Right here? What I have at the bottom of the page.
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Speaker 1: What does that connect us to the LinkedIn there on
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Speaker 1: the screen?
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Speaker 2: I have no idea. I don't have any websites.
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Speaker 1: So oh really, okay, hopefully we're not run the wrong
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Speaker 1: mel here, all right.
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Speaker 2: Fair enough, take that off.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'll think disregard all of that, ladies and gentlemen.
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Speaker 1: I think I actually have it in a description too.
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Speaker 1: I type in your name. I've seen the pictures that
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Speaker 1: your linkedn goes.
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Speaker 3: All right, yeah, I guess, but no, I just have
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Speaker 3: a Facebook, I mean, front me on Facebook and then
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Speaker 3: you'll be.
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Speaker 2: Able to follow.
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Speaker 3: I mean, I'm not on it all the time, but
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Speaker 3: that's the only way that people can get hold of me.
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Speaker 3: You know, if people within the area are traveling up
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Speaker 3: in the area, you want to go out, I've got
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Speaker 3: a few special areas. I got two that I call
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Speaker 3: Shaggy and Scooby that are just hilarious and so. But yeah,
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Speaker 3: if you want to come up into the area and
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Speaker 3: we plan something out, then you know, I'll take I'll
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Speaker 3: take people and I'll show them.
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Speaker 1: That's fantastic, Mel. I appreciate it so much as any
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Speaker 1: possibility I can get you back on in the future
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Speaker 1: to get into what you're doing now. Sure, yeah, yeah, Okay,
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Speaker 1: that's fantastic. I appreciate it so very much that you
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Speaker 1: came one today and took time to impart some of
1:03:47
Speaker 1: your experiences of some of your wisdom what you have learned.
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Speaker 1: I really appreciate that.
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Speaker 2: Thank you very much. I'm glad you invited me.
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Speaker 1: Oh, the pleasure is all mine to us. See you
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Speaker 1: next time. Okay, guys, So that was Mel scan Uh.
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Speaker 1: You know, if you want to go out and reach
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Speaker 1: out to him, he's sometimes on Facebook if not connected
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Speaker 1: a chamber of commerce up there in Oregon or yeah, yeah, Yakima.
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Speaker 1: Sorry I can't remember all the names, and go and
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Speaker 1: go check them out. It's very interesting. I would love
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Speaker 1: to get into, like some newer stuff. When when I'll
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Speaker 1: contact you, maybe in a month or two. We'll do
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Speaker 1: it again. Okay, okay, all right, guys. I hope you
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Speaker 1: guys enjoyed the show. Thank you Mel once again, and remember, guys,
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Speaker 1: we are we are the I, we are aware, and
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Speaker 1: I love you all. Have a wonderful weekend, Sasha, everything