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Mega Edition: Ghislaine Maxwell And The Go No Where Argument Made To The 2nd Circuit (5/15/26) · The Vault: The Epstein Files

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Speaker 1: Everyone, and welcome back to the Epstein Chronicles. On this
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edition of the show, we're going to talk a little
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bit more about Scotty David and the situation surrounding the
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revelations he shared with the media after the trial. Now
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we've covered this obviously since it's happened, and we have
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talked about it quite a bit, but there's a new
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article out today in the New York Times that gives
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us a little bit more context and we hear from
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some more experts. And when it comes to these legal issues,
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it's always a good idea to get as much information
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from as many sources as possible because there's always going
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to be differing opinions when it comes to legal issues.
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You have some people who look at the law one way,
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some people who see it another way, and you know,
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they break down the scenarios that we might see come about.
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And for me, I'm certainly not a lawyer, So when
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it comes to this kind of stuff, as far as
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the machinations behind the mistrial, what goes into it, how
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it all comes about, if it will come about, I
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certainly don't have the expertise to dive in and break
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it down a bullet point for bullet point. So what
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I like to do is add the opinions of all
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of these different lawyers, as many different opinions as we
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can possibly find, so that we can hear as much
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information as possible, get as much context as possible, and
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then try and figure out what the hell is going on,
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because we all know we don't get the full story.
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We have to piece it together ourselves. Things are never
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put into the proper context, and then well, you know,
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the disinformation is off and running, right. So I think
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it's important to get as many opinions from the legal
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experts as possible when it comes to a situation like this,
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and it's up it's up to you folks to decide
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what you believe or what you don't believe. My advice is,
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don't listen or get information from anybody who's trying to
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tell you how to think or how to you know,
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what you should do or what you shouldn't do, or
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who you should like. That's just crazy. That's just crazy.
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There are way bigger problems out there, right, and anybody
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who's out there trying to tell other people how to
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live or what they should be doing. I have an
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automatic distrust for people like that. So when we talk
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about stuff on this podcast, that's why I always provide
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the links for you, and that's why we go off
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of these articles that are posted right here in the
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legacy media because it's easy, a lot easier to keep
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things in order that way, right, a lot easier to
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dive into things and find out what's the truth and
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what's not. So today, like I said, we're gonna add
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a little more context, and we have this article from
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the New York Times. The author is Benjamin Weisser. Headline,
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Glen Maxwell's bid for a new trial faces a major hurdle.
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The rule that a judge cannot ask what happened in
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the jury room could block an attempt by miss Maxwell's
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lawyers to overturn the verdict. So again, all of the
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little small details that go into something like this that
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unless you follow these cases in court, you're not gonna
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be hipped to. So let's jump in and let's see
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what's going on here. The judge questioning potential jurors for
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the Glen Maxwell sex trafficking trial when she asked a
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thirty five year old Manhattan man identified as Juror fifty
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whether he had any doubt about his ability to be
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fair to both sides. No Juror fifty replied the judge
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pressed him, did he have any reason to think he
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could not be impartial? I do not, replied the man
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who ended up as a member of the jury that
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convicted miss Maxwell on five of the six count she faced.
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So we know that Glenn Maxwell's legal team they're going
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to sink their teeth into this, and they already have obviously,
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but they're going to do everything in their power to
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get another trial, to get a chance to have their
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client have another day in court. And hopefully that doesn't occur,
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but we have to be prepared for all of the scenarios.
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But revelations in the news media that Juror fifty and
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a second jur each disclosed personal histories of childhood sexual
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abuse to their fellow jurors during deliberations have clouded the
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verdict and led to a flurry of new court filings
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focused on jury impartiality. And again, I think it's very
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important that we have an impartial jury, right, I mean,
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if it's you or me or you know of our
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loved ones, we want an impartial jury. And I think
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it's crucial for society to make sure of that. But
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what it comes down to is what happened here as
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far as the questionnaire, and I think that if he
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did lie on it, then they will have some sort
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of basis here to at least make an argument. But
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if they can't prove that, then I don't even understand
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what the defense thinks they're going to accomplish here. Ms
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Maxwell's lawyers, citing Juror fifty's comments in the news media,
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have said they will seek a new child. The judge
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Alice and j Nathan of Federal District Court has asked
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both sides for their views on whether a court inquiry
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is appropriate and if so, what its nature should be.
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So that's the point that they're at right now. They're
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you know, figuring out all of the details on what
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should happen here, what should occur if there should be
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a court inquiry, what needs to be the next step.
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Now we know that the court has moved forward with
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sentencing for Maxwell, and the sentencing data is in June,
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so they've moved forward with that portion of it. Now,
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does that mean that they're not going to, you know,
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look at a mistrial. Perhaps no, but it's nice to
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see that the progress is still being made in trying
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to assess the impact of the jury room disclosures that
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Juror fifty described in the news media, and potentially those
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of the second juror as well. The judge is likely
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to be blocked by one of the legal systems most
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stringent and time honored rules. She cannot ask the jurors
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what happened during their deliberations, and the jurors are not
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allowed to tell her. So the game of loopholes and technicalities. Huh,
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coming back to bite Maxwell right on the rear end.
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You know, these people love to play their game of loopholes,
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their game of technicalities. They love to use that and
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the system to avoid prosecution, to avoid being held to account.
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But now, well, the shoe is on the other foot,
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and the technicalities and the loopholes might prevent Glen Maxwell
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from getting another trial. Even though jurors may speak to
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the news media or write about their experiences, the Supreme
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Court has held that any jurors statements or testimony about
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the inner workings of deliberations cannot be used by lawyers
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challenging a verdict or by a judge deciding whether to
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overturn it. Wow, So there you go. And this is
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what I mean. I am not a lawyer, right, and
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when we have these kind of legal issues, it's important
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that we dive in and get as much as we
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can because it's confusing stuff. At least for me it is.
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You know, I look at some of this legal stuff
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and you know, my eyes start to cross. I feel
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like I'm going to pass out, you know, the whole nine.
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It's like being in ninth grade again and getting smacked
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with Trigg for the first time. So I get it, right,
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It's a lot. But that's why I'm here every day,
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and I try to provide this kind of context so
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that we could have, you know, a common man's look
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at things, certainly not a Harvard graduate either. By the way,
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as you can all tell, the only exception the Supreme
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Court has said is where overt statements during deliberations show
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a juror was motivated by racial animists in voting to convict. Well,
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I think that's a good idea, huh, because we all
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know there's a bunch of vile racists on this planet, still,
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a bunch of people who are stuck in you know,
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a century gone by, who just won't fix themselves. So
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certainly a good law there. The court has been extraordinarily
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protective of the jury as a black box at Richard L.
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Jolly a law professor at Southwestern Law School in Los
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Angeles who has written extensive about the jury system. And again,
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this gentleman here, Richard L. Jolly, he's a law professor
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at Southwestern Law School in Los Angeles, and this is
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what he does. He writes about this stuff and you know,
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breaks it down. So when we have a situation like this,
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it's always nice to get the opinions from these experts,
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and then that way, when you're forming your opinion, you're
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educated properly. You have the right information so that you
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can form an opinion and decide what's what. We really
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don't want a court to scrutinize every jury's considerations, he said.
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We don't want the court to dig in and start
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policing how the jury is reaching its verdict. These twelve
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people show up, they do their job, they go home,
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he added, And I think that's a fact right now.
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The only thing I will say is if there's some
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lying going on and somebody is trying to place themselves
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on the jury with the express purpose of having an
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ax to grind. Then that's a bad look, that's not good,
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and that needs to be investigated and fixed. If it's
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the truth and that's what happened, and I think having
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an investigation into this is the right move. The jurors
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in the widely watched Maxwell trial her testimony over three
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weeks showing that miss Maxwell had helped the disgraced financier,
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pedophile Jeffrey Epstein entice groom and sexually abused teenage girls. Now,
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I don't think another trial would show any different. Like
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I said yesterday, I think that the evidence is there.
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It's a mountain high and it's not going to change.
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If there's five trials, ten trials, or one hundred trials,
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the result will be the same. Glen Maxwell is guilty
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and she will be convicted. The jurors, whose names were
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not made public by the court, deliberated for five full days.
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They sent out a series of notes with questions for
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the judge and requests for copies of transcripts before announcing
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their verdict on December twenty ninth. Now we remember back
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to the trial phase of this, and you know, the
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jurors were sending a few notes. They took their time deliberating,
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and let's remember they found her innocent on one count.
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If there was an ax to grind, don't you think
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all these counts would have been guilty. So I think
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that's something that the prosecution is going to be able
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to use in their favor as well. Moving forward here.
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A few days later, jurorff fifty revealed in an Instagram
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post that he had participated as a juror in the trial.
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The post has since been taken down. In interviews with
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several news outlets, juror fifty said he was proud of
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the verdict and that he had found the four women
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who testified about being childhood survivors of miss Maxwell to
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be credible. Yeah. Well, anyone listening found them credible for
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the most part. I mean, look, we didn't get to
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hear their commentary. We didn't get to hear their testimony,
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and obviously that makes it more impactful, right, But just
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reading the transcript, reading the notes, it was heart wrenching
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to hear these ladies talk about what they went through
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at the hands of Maxwell and Epstein. He also revealed
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that during deliberations he had disclosed that he had been
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sexually abused as a child and not revealed that abuse
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until years later. He also explained to his fellow jurors
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that he cannot remember every detail of his abuse, but
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that he did not, but that did not mean it
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had not occurred. And again, this is something that has
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been talked about a lot. You might forget some of
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the little details, but you're not gonna forget the main
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detail of your abuse. The jury room went silent as
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he told his story, jur fifty said in an interview
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with the Daily Mail dot Com. A second juror, in
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an interview with The New York Times, also described being
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sexually abused as a child and discussing that experience during
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jury deliberations. The jur who requested anonymity, said the disclosure
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appeared to help influence the jury's discussions. Despite the broad
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prohibitions on delving into the jerry's deliberations, Judge Nathan could
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examine how the two jurors responded to the detailed questionnaires
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that hundreds of prospective jurors filled out in the weeks
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before the trial. And here's where the rubber's going to
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meet the road. In my opinion, when you boil away
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all the fat and get right down to it. This
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is where we're at. Did they lie on these questionnaires.
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If they did, there's gonna be some trouble. If they didn't, well,
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it's on the defense. Question forty eight asked whether the
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potential juror had ever been a victim of sexual harassment,
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sexual abuse, or sexual assault, or even received unwonted sexual advances,
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and if so, whether that would affect their ability to
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serve fairly and impartially in the trial. Benjamin Broffman, a
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prominent defense lawyer in New York with no involvement in
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the Maxwell case, said a lot will depend on whether
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or not either juror lied on their questionnaire when answering
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these specific questions. And that's again, I don't mean to
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harp on it, but this is really what it's gonna
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come down to. Did they lie or didn't they lie?
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If they lied, I would expect a new trial. If
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they didn't lie, well, enjoy the Boloney sandwiches, Glaine. Indeed,
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he said, in a case like Maxwell's, perhaps the most
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important question to be asked of perspective jurors was whether
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they had a history of sexual abuse. It's not just
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I was the victim of a crime. Mister Broffman said,
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but I was the victim of the same crime that
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the defendant is being accused of committing. And again for
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somebody who is, you know, just sitting here in the
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peanut gallery, it seems like that's a bad look and
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it seems like it's something that the court would address.
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But again, there's a lot that goes into this, and
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nothing is ever that easy when we're dealing with the
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justice system, right, there's so much nuance, in so much
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wiggle room, and so many technicalities and loopholes, it's almost
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impossible to navigate it. Although miss Maxwell was not specifically
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charged with sexual abuse, such crimes by mister Epstein were
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at the center of the case. Jerrorf fifty told Reuters
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that he flew through the questionnaire and did not recall
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being asked about his personal experiences with sexual abuse. He
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said he would have answered such questions honestly. Reuters reported
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it is not known how the second juror filled out
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the questionnaire. And again, just because all boys says he
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would have been honest, that doesn't mean we have to
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believe him, right, you know, trust but verify. So we're
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gonna need to see the questionnaire to see what's what.
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Both juror fifty and the second juror were called for
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a second round of Jerry's selection, where Judge Nathan, drawing
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in part on their response to the questionnaire, conducted questioning.
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Neither of the jurors was asked whether they had been
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abused sexually or voluntar here that they had been during
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the questioning. Legal experts that Judge Nathan will have to
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determine whether the defense, had it known of the two
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jurors histories, could have successfully challenged them for cause because
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they could not be impartial. And this is what it's
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going to come down to, right, is the defense going
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to be able to come up with a scenario that
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convinces the court that Maxwell was treated in a manner
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that is not proper, that it was not an impartial
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jury room, and that the jurors were tainted. That's what
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they're going to argue now. If they're going to be
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successful or not, that's anyone's guess at this point. If,
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on the other hand, the juror says that this was
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a mistake, that he missed the question, that he misunderstood
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the question, miss Penzas said, then you could have an
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inquiry from Judge Nathan about whether that juror was still
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fair and impartial. Was that juror still willing to follow
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the court's instructions? Was that juror still going in with
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an open mind? Said Mith miss Penza, who helped win
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the twenty nineteen racketeering conviction of Keith Rainiery, the Nexium
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sex cult leader. You know, it would be nice to
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have a racketeering charge here. Huh, No racketeering, No rico
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for Glenn Maxwell and Jeffrey Epstein and their friends. Must
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be nice to have buddies in high places. Stephen Giller. Gillers,
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who teaches legal ethics at New York University School of Law,
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said that if either juror had failed to reveal their
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abuse history in the questionnaire, Judge Nathan would want to
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know the answer to the question that she would have
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asked had the jurors filled out the questionnaire accurately. If
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it was intentional, that counts against the jur and raises suspicion.
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Professor Giller said, if it was a mistake or overlooked,
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then that counts in the favor of crediting the juror.
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If he now says it didn't affect my deliberation at all.
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So it's kind of the trust game. I guess, did
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you really mean it? Was it a mistake? Wasn't it
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a mistake? You know? And so the story goes on.
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But again it's going to come down to what Judge
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Nathan sees here, what she believes happened, and if she
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thinks this dude Jury number fifty was bs and around,
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or if he was being truthful and maybe missed something.
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So it's going to be very interesting to see what
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the court decides here. While Judge Nathan considers what to
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do in the Maxwell case, the revelations appear to have
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prompted at least one other judge on the same court
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to underline the importance of filling out a jury questionnaire accurately.
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Last week, Judge Jesse M. Furman was addressing a group
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of potential jurors being screened for another high profile trial
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of the lawyer Michael Avenatti, who is pleaded not guilty
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to charges he stole three hundred thousand dollars from the
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pornographic film actress Stormy Daniels. Yeah, you know, when that
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whole entire union came about Michael Avenatti and Stormy Daniels,
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whoever saw that storm on the horizon. Two knuckleheads working together.
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It is absolutely essential that you answer all of the
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questions truthfully, the judge said, adding that the jurors would
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be under oath and their responses would be given under
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penalty of perjury. Soon he returned to the topic. You
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must answer each and every question truthfully and completely, he stressed. Then,
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after the group was sworn in, he became emphatic because
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I cannot say it too many times. Let me repeat,
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he started it again. So, look, this is an issue, right,
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This is definitely an issue that is going to rear
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its ugly head. This is definitely something that we're going
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to have to keep an eye on right as it unfolds,
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because it has huge implications moving forward, and it's going
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to be real interesting to see how Judge Nathan rules here.
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I've never really been that interested in all of the minutia,
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all of the little nuance that goes on in the courtroom.
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But boy, oh boy, has my interest certainly pen grabbed.
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All Right, folks, that's gonna do it for this morning's edition.
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We will will be back tonight with the evening update.
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Some context episodes are coming your way. Hope that all
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of you have a great day. If you'd like to
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contact me, you can do that at Bobby Kapuci at
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on Twitter at bo bbu Y Underscore c ap u Cci.
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The link that we discussed can be found in the
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description Boxland Maxwell filed for an appeal of the depositions
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that were set to be released on Monday. Well, the
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Second Circuit Court of Appeals has recognized her emotion and
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they have decided to hear the case. So I thought
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that this was probable. I thought that the Second Circuit
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Court of Appeals would at the very least see this
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case right. It wasn't something that they were going to
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just dismiss out of hand, and as of today, that
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is exactly what they're going to do. And again, that
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doesn't mean that the depositions are going to stay sealed forever. Unfortunately,
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it does mean that they will not be revealed to
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the public on Monday. It looks like September twenty second
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is going to be the day where the Appeals Court
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makes their decision or has their hearing and will know
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a lot more then. But tonight we have an article
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from the Miami Herald originally, but it's being run in
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the Tampa Bay Times and the headline is Epstein confidant,
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co conspirator, fellow child abuser, general all around scumbag Gilen
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Maxwell wins fight to keep records sealed for now. This
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article was authored by Ben Wheter and Kevin G. Hall.
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Kelan Maxwell's controversial deposition from a twenty fifteen lawsuit will
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remain sealed until at least late September, after a federal
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appeals court agreed late Friday to hear her request to
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block the release of the deposition by the accused sex
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trafficker and alleged madam aka co conspirator aka boss aka
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General Scumbag to disgraced financier Jeffrey Epstein. And again, it
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was very likely that the Second Circuit Court of Appeals
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was going to hear this case. The real question becomes
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not if they were going to hear the case, how
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they're going to rule. And like I stated earlier, they
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already have precedent for releasing documents in this same exact
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court room. So I'm not going to make any predictions
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one way or the other because I don't know enough
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about their overall rulings within that court to know which
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way they're going to go. But what I will say
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is that precedent usually plays a huge deal in things
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like this, so I would not be shocked either way
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at this point. But you would think that the same
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court that dumped the two thousand pages in the Epstein
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case would find it hard to deny the judge's order
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in this case when it is very similar. The action
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by the US Circuit Court of Appeals for the Second
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Circuit effectively stops the release scheduled for Monday of a
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deposition given by Maxwell and another one she wants blocked
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involving a mysterious person known only as J. Doe One.
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So not only is it the Maxwell deposition, remember it's
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the other deposition as well. And as far as we
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know in the public sphere, the person's name is J.
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Doe one, So John Doe one. Who that is? It's
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anybody's guess at this point. Right for my money, I
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think it's going to be somebody of significance, But again
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that's just a guess. Maxwell's appeal will be heard September
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twenty second, so that will be the day. I'm guessing
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that will see which way the wind blows. Now, I
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don't know if they rule against her, if the documents
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are released right away, or if there's some sort of
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waiting period. That is a question that I'll have to
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look a little bit more into. The release of the
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documents stems from a pleading by the Miami Herald on
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behalf of its investigative reporter, Julie K. Brown, whose Perversion
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of Justice series in November twenty eighteen spotlighted how Epstein
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escaped justice in two thousand and eight despite overwhelming evidence
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that he had sexually abused women and underaged girls. And again,
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Julie Brown's piece did definitely put some spotlight on what
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was going on right opened up some eyes. But if
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everybody would have just listened to what these survivors were saying, Virginia,
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I mean Maria and Annie in the nineties, Virginia after
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and the other girls, then I have to tell you, folks,
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we wouldn't have to be relying on something like this
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because all of these people would have been put away
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a long time ago before they could have been involved
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in creating more misery. Lawyers for The Herald filed a
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motion Friday opposing any further delay on the document release.
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The District Court made specific, well reasoned findings on the
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record determining that Miss Maxwell's deposition testimony, among other judicial records,
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should be unsealed, argued Christine and Walls with Holland and Knight.
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To overturn the Court districts the District Court's ruling, Miss
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Maxwell will need to show that the court abused its discretion.
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She cannot do so. And again, that's another thing that
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goes in to the favor of this stuff being released.
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I really don't think that they have a tenable position
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here right They don't have a position that can be defended.
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All they're doing is looking to muddy the waters, like
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PRESCA said, and slow things down. And while they have
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accomplished that in one regard, on the other hand, things
26:19
are on fire right now. Like I said, those of
26:23
us following this case, the stuff that came out in
26:25
those documents probably wasn't going to be earth shattering. But
26:29
to those who have not been following this case, the unsullied,
26:33
as I've dubbed them, well, those people, they are all
26:37
over what has been released in those documents and people
26:41
want answers. US District Judge Loretta Presca this week ordered
26:48
the unsealing and release of dozens of documents from a
26:50
now settled defamation suit involving Virginia Roberts, who claims Maxwell
26:55
brought her and other underage girls to Epstein, who sexually
26:59
abused them and traffic them to powerful men. Not only
27:02
that Gilaine Maxwell was taking part in the abuse. That's
27:06
a very important part to add. Presca chided Maxwell's lawyers
27:10
for delays and shot down two attempts Thursday to slow
27:13
down the release of all documents, which then began trickling
27:17
out late Thursday night. They tried their usual tactics, right,
27:22
They tried the old okie doke. They tried to slide
27:25
in at the eleventh hour and get everything barred from
27:28
coming out, and it did not work. And Presca, while
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not only denying their request, she basically made fun of them.
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Now in federal detention in Brooklyn after her July second
27:42
arrest on federal charges, Maxwell appealed the unsealing of a
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deposition she gave in the twenty fifteen defamation suit because
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it is the basis for the perjury charges brought against
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her in the Southern District of New York. Her lawyers
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argued before PRESCA, without presenting proof that lawyers for Robert
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It's improperly shared the deposition with federal prosecutors. And again
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they're going to make all sorts of assertions. They're going
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to do their best to get their client off. And
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that's their job, right It's up to the prosecution to
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meet them at every turn and turn them away. It's
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up to them to counter every strike thrown by the
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defense must be countered and answered with something as thundering
28:25
or more from the prosecution. And what you see with
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her defense team here is these guys know that they're
28:33
up against it, and they understood that even the documentation
28:37
that was released already, the six hundred and thirty eight pages,
28:40
was damning. What they really understand though, Oh, they really
28:45
understand that this deposition and the other deposition, they have
28:49
the potential to blow this case wide open, wide open.
28:56
The broad outlines of the deposition are known. Maxwell is
28:59
said to have been obstructive, refusing to answer questions about
29:02
the sexual habits of Epstein or her own personal life.
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In the transcript of a deposition of Roberts released Thursday night,
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The Epstein accuser said under oath that Maxwell allured her
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from a job at now President Donald Trump's mar A
29:17
Lago club to become a messuse for Epstein. Roberts alleged
29:22
Maxwell groomed her and others to be sexual playthings for
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Epstein and his friends. And we know this right. We
29:28
know for a fact that she worked at mar A Lago,
29:30
and we know that that's where she was recruited from.
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Those are indisputable facts. And like they stated a second ago,
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we have the broad outline for the deposition already. We
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know some of the tidbits, We know some of the
29:43
stuff that's in it. But for me, it adds context.
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When you have receipts that you can look back on
29:49
and you can point to, and you can provide and
29:51
you can share with people, it carries a lot more
29:54
weight than just saying no, look, trust me, I know
29:56
that this is a fact. Again, it is not what
30:02
we know, it is what we can prove. Her lawyers
30:07
in the civil suit suggested that the deposition had been
30:10
released to the government by Roberts lawyers in violation of
30:13
a protective order barring its release to law enforcement, suggesting
30:17
that Maxwell's lawyer might try to challenge the perjury charges
30:20
she faces in the criminal case. And again they're looking
30:24
for the loopholes, right, It's not that Maxwell didn't commit
30:27
the crime. It's not that she didn't commit perjury. Oh no,
30:31
it's the fact that those documents are out there now,
30:34
shut up, all right. She perjured herself multiple times. Everybody
30:38
knows it, and now she's getting called on her bs.
30:42
It's the same with the WikiLeaks dumps. They wanted you
30:45
to focus on the fact that they got so called
30:48
hacked the WikiLeaks emails, and they didn't want you focusing
30:53
on the content of those emails. And it's the same
30:57
shit here. It's always the same world games with these people,
31:01
the same sort of word salad. Well, we're not buying it.
31:06
We now read between the lines, and we know that
31:09
coming into all of these situations we have to be
31:14
very skeptical of everything and everyone involved. Now, Robert's lawyers
31:20
rejected the accusation as completely and utterly false in a
31:23
filing Friday. Maxwell's counsel made no effort to contact us
31:27
before making these serious charges, nor, as we understand it,
31:31
did they make any effort to check what the government
31:34
Robert's lawyers wrote. And that's what they're trying to do
31:37
with this sort of situation. Maxwell's team is trying to
31:41
make it look like there's improper behavior on the part
31:45
of the prosecution and the lawyers for the girls. They
31:49
want to have another ace in their hole, right, something
31:52
they can point to. They're trying to destroy credibility, and
31:56
it is very obvious what they're doing right now. While
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Maxwell was successful and at least temporarily blocking the release
32:03
of the disputed depositions, Friday, her legal team in the
32:06
criminal case was rebuffed earlier Friday and its attempts to
32:10
negotiate a protective order that would allow them to publicly
32:13
identify in filings alleged survivors of Epstein and Maxwell who
32:18
were not party to the criminal case. If those alleged
32:22
survivors had come forward publicly, I'm really glad that they
32:26
shot this down right, because the last thing these survivors
32:29
need is more drama, more idiots trying to track them down.
32:34
On behalf of these sick bastards that they're pulling the
32:39
string on that they're telling the world what they did.
32:42
These are dangerous. People were dealing with folks, right. We
32:44
got people that are involved in the highest levels of government,
32:47
some of the richest people in the world, and we
32:50
would be naive to think that there are not great
32:53
lengths that they would go to to get themselves out
32:57
of trouble. Deciding to participate in or contribute to a
33:03
criminal investigation or prosecution is a far different matter than
33:07
simply making a public statement relating to miss Maxwell or
33:12
Jeffrey Epstein. US District Judge Allison J. Nathan wrote in
33:16
denying the request, along with denying a request for greater
33:20
restrictions on the use of discovery materials by the government
33:23
and the witnesses. So they're positioning themselves obviously for discovery.
33:29
That's going to be a key here, because that's when
33:32
the rubber meets the road in these cases, When we
33:34
get to the discovery phase and all of the evidence
33:38
is submitted for both sides to see, that is when
33:41
the rubber hits the road and we find out just
33:44
how good these lawyers are at their craft. In another development,
33:50
late Friday, the Epstein Estate released its third quarter accounting
33:53
report from April first to June thirtieth. The document reveals
33:58
how lawyers are receiving large payayments from the estate. This
34:01
bothers me. I am tired of seeing this estate pay
34:04
out money to all these other jerk off clowns. Meanwhile,
34:09
the girls have not received one single dime yet from
34:12
this silly ass compensation fund. I'm starting to have my
34:15
doubts about that as well. One firm, Hughes, Hubbard and Reid,
34:23
received more than one million dollars in the three month period.
34:26
Troutman Sanders LLP received almost eight hundred thousand dollars in
34:30
the period. US Virgin Islands based Keller Hall's Ferguson Kroblin
34:35
PLLC received more than three hundred and twelve thousand dollars.
34:39
What are they all doing? What is all of this
34:41
money going? Why does he need all of these lawyers.
34:45
Shouldn't the estate just be handling it the estate on
34:47
its own with a team of lawyers. Why aren't these
34:51
funds seized and frozen? The report highlighted two payments into
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the newly created Epstein's Survivor's Compensation Fund, together worth more
35:03
than two point eight million dollars. Oh, a whole two
35:05
point eight million dollars. Huh? Forgive me if I'm not
35:08
impressed considering the amount of money we're talking about here,
35:12
Considering the magnitude of this man's fortune that is stashed
35:16
overseas and hidden in other banks, that we might not
35:20
have the evidence of right now, the evidence that would
35:23
lock it in, but the circumstantial evidence and reports from
35:28
people like Steve Hoffenberg who would know well that leads
35:31
us to believe that there is much more than the
35:35
I can see. The report also shows that Epstein sold
35:40
for almost one point one million dollars a Bell helicopter
35:43
that was allegedly used by Maxwell, who had a helicopter's
35:47
pilot's license to bring young girls to Epstein's Little Saint
35:50
James Island. And not only little Saint James Island, but
35:54
she would do the same thing from the airport in
35:57
Santa Fe, New Mexico. I know that well. I had
36:01
sources confirmed that to me while I was in Santa Fe.
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Not only that. Earlier today, Alan, I kept my underpants
36:14
on dirty ass Dershowitz was on the Tucker Carlson Show,
36:18
and Tucker Carlson, shockingly enough, was asking him some pretty
36:21
damn hard questions. And I'll tell you what folks. It
36:25
almost looked like dirty Dirsh was having a Prince Andrew
36:29
kind of moment. Now, Tucker Carlson didn't go as hard
36:33
as he could have, but he most certainly did ask
36:35
questions that nobody else was asking. He asked him about
36:38
Bill Clinton, He asked him about his involvement with Epstein.
36:43
And I'll tell you what, Dershowitz made some statements that
36:46
sure sounded like some lies. They sure sounded like they
36:50
weren't based in truth, the statements that he was making
36:53
trying to defend his buddy Clinton. And then the funniest
36:56
part to me was when he tried to use all
36:58
of these other people that were supposedly around when he
37:02
was on the island as character witnesses. Half of them
37:05
are accused of being involved with Epstein as far as
37:07
in the trafficking ring, and the other half of them
37:10
are were enablers. So who does this guy think he's kidding?
37:15
And also on that Tucker Carlson program before I forget,
37:18
Tucker Carlson asked Dershowitz directly directly, was Jeffrey Epstein an
37:26
intelligence asset? And Dershowitz of course went into this big spiel.
37:30
Oh no, he's not part of the intelligence apparatus. Oh,
37:34
he's definitely not in the massade or the CIA or
37:38
nobody asked you any of that. Why are you throwing
37:39
around the CIA in the massade? Bro, I'm telling you
37:44
right now. Dershowitz was absolutely shook. And another thing that
37:50
Tucker asked him that I found the mind bogglingly shocking
37:54
that it was being asked on Fox News of all places,
37:57
was he said to Dershowitz. They were talking about Dershowitz's
38:01
personal relationship with Epstein, right, and you know, Dershowitz said
38:05
he stayed at the houses, et cetera, et cetera, and
38:09
then he had the audacity to say that his relationship
38:13
with Epstein was only professional. And Tucker Carlson said, well,
38:18
I don't know about you, and I'm paraphrasing here, I
38:21
don't know about you, but I don't let anybody. You know,
38:24
I don't stay at anyone's house if I'm not their friend.
38:27
What does that even mean? Basically is what Tucker was
38:29
asking him. And of course Dershowitz went into his old
38:32
spiel blah blah blah blah blah, and it was a
38:36
pretty interesting interview to say the least Dershowitz look shook
38:42
as hell, and I'm gonna I have to say, I
38:45
think that this interview right here, folks, is a pendulum
38:48
swinging kind of interview and the sort of interview that
38:51
can come back and haunt him. So if you haven't
38:56
checked that clip out yet, if you didn't see the
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Showitz and Tucker Carlson interview, you should definitely check that out.
39:04
I'm sure a clip will be on YouTube or Fox
39:06
or whatever. I'll take a look as well and see
39:08
if I can find a clip, and if I can,
39:11
I will put it on my Twitter page. So that
39:15
is all for tonight, folks. Tomorrow is a very busy
39:20
day for me in my personal life. Now. We have
39:24
hockey on from nine am till about ten pm. It's
39:28
like March madness for hockey fans now, so I'll be
39:32
locked in watching a bunch of hockey. UFC is also on,
39:35
so obviously I'll be watching that as well. So if
39:39
I'm slow answering emails tomorrow or answering Twitter questions or
39:44
stuff that I'm tagged in, nothing personal, taking a little
39:48
private time to hang out with my pops, eat some food,
39:51
watch some sports, and try and forget about the whole
39:54
all this madness that's going on around us. So I
39:58
hope that everybody's enjoying your their Friday night. I hope
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that if you're out, you're being responsible. Please do not
40:04
drink and drive. And if you'd like to contact me,
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