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The Spiritual Ego Trap In Heathen Spaces [RHR S7, EP17] · Random Heathen Ramblings

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support and. Being a person who has been now
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Heathen Ramblings. A lot of things have happened in
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my growth as a person. And one of the things that has
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been kind of on my mind to want to talk about is, you know, I'm
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sure that you folks out here that have your own, you know,
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you have your own things that are going on, right?
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You're you're watching content, maybe here or or listening to
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other podcasts or seeing other people.
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Put out material from a position of, we'll say authority.
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You know, coming from a position of claiming to know what they
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know. And not everybody who's doing
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stuff like this knows what they're talking about.
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Not everybody who's putting their voice out for the world or
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their persona or or whatever. Not everybody is, I guess.
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Qualified. Some people will go through
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this. Inflation of their ego and they
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claim that or they're not aware of it happening, but you know,
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through spiritual growth, through advancement in.
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Things that you've experienced, some people can allow that to be
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what's. Being seen right and and they'll
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put themselves out here in the world and they'll come across as
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some kind of expert. So the name of this?
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Episode or the topic or rather of this episode right is is you
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know this the, the trap of spiritual ego within Heathenry
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now. And when I say spiritually go
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right, I'm not talking about genuine confidence.
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I'm not talking about people who have the right credentials or
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the right movement behind what they're doing to say with a
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surety the things that they say. I'm talking about people that,
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again, you know, through their spirituality, get this.
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Sense of self that becomes inflated, like I said, you know,
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people that present themselves as an authority without any sort
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of depth behind it. Yeah, I picked up the whole of
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them all once. Or, you know, I read the poetic
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era or I'm, you know, I got my 23andMe results back and I am,
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you know, .0967% Viking or whatever.
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And. Stuff like that, right?
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Stuff that just. And believe and believe me,
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there are people out here that that will start up a channel,
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they'll create a TikTok account or they'll post on Instagram or
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wherever, right? And it's all for show.
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You know, that's like one example I can think of.
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Also, even if they're not putting themselves out on the
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Internet, they are still putting themselves out in their
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communities through, yeah, just just themselves, right?
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Just positioning themselves as being some sort of expert and
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and treating their personal experiences.
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While are while. While important and and they do
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have a place we'll get into that in this episode, but you know,
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treating their personal experiences as universal truth.
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We've covered things are like this and other episodes I've
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talked around, you know, the the validity of unverified personal
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gnosis, but being careful to make sure that that does not get
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positioned as truth or as fact or anything like that from
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reconstruction and perspectives or any sort of historical
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accuracy. There's folks out here that
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crave. And almost need the recognition
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or validation or status or title to be able to feel like.
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They're doing what they're doing properly.
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You know, it's like they use the path, they use the, the, the
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journey, if you, if you will, or along their journey on the path
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that they use it to elevate themselves above other people,
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kind of, you know. Like they're the, you know, the
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the authority that needs to be listened to to make sure that
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you're doing things correctly or or or or properly.
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So the path that they're on. These types that I'm talking
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about, right, giving me some examples becomes less about
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transformation and more about their own self importance.
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And like I said, I'm sure that this doesn't come as as any sort
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of shock or surprise that people like this right here.
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I'm sure you if you have been in the heathen community, the wider
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heathen community for any length of time.
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You've experienced this, you've seen creators come out there and
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you've seen people. Position themselves in their
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local communities if you have one and then some of the
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examples that I just gave manifest themselves with these
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people. And if you have and you want to
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share your your experience or share an example of something
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that you've seen along these lines, again, you can comment
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615-671-9832. Share your thoughts if you have
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one about this particular topic. But yeah.
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This is this is a thing. It's nothing new.
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It's been happening for us as long as probably has been.
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People have been people, you know what I mean?
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And this isn't just a heathen thing, but we're talking about
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this type of thing within the heathen community.
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So as I like to do a lot of times, I like to have some, if
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any, historical sources or any sort of sources that we can look
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to for examples on the type of topic that we cover here on the
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show. And.
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There are plenty of examples in in heathen sources that kind of
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warn against overconfidence when it comes to wisdom action.
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You know what I mean? Doing things, saying things,
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speaking things, especially, you know, the Speaking of things.
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There are stanzas throughout the Hove of them all.
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And again, as we talk about heathen beliefs or heathen
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worldviews, the Hove of them all always comes up.
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But I do want to always preface what I'm about to say in case
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this is your first time listening to this show.
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We're being exposed to my content.
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I have never, will never position the Hove of them all as
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some sort of equivalent to like the.
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Christian Bible. It's not a heathen book of
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instructions. It's practical wisdom, practical
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knowledge, things that. If you read them in the context
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of the time of history that it was written in, it reflects
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certain world views and and things of the people at the
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time. So it's very specific to that,
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but it is good. A lot of it is just good
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practical, common sense type stuff.
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So there are some standards. I don't have them memorized by,
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you know, verse number or stanza number or whatever, but there's
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there's a stanza that kind of talks about, you know, like the
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fool believes that he knows everything and he won't shut up
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about it. There's also places.
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Within that poem, that kind of applaud or congratulate or
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encourage a wise person and and, and.
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The good behavior of a wise. Person is that they listen
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carefully, they observe, they are mindful.
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They they speak carefully. You know they're not just.
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Blah blah blah blah blah. Talk in a big game, think you
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know, making it sound good using using.
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Big words with many syllables and so forth, you know, and then
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we also see not just in the, not just in the hover mall, but, you
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know, we see the importance of what a person's reputation is in
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society, their giffrain, their reputation.
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But it's always something that is earned, right?
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A reputation is earned. The infamous stanza, I think
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it's 127. No No 76.
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It's somewhere in like the 757677 area of of the Hoffman
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Mall that talks. You know the infamous cattle die
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kinsman, die you yourself. Will also die.
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And one thing that this is I know will never die is is the
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reputation of the one who has earned it or the fair fame of
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one who has earned it or different translations say
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different things. But the the point is that
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reputation, fair fame, these honour things of of of a status
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of of honour. Are earned, they are not
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claimed, you know. You have to take it.
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It takes. Time to accumulate a good
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reputation it takes time to accumulate fair fame it's not
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just something that you can walk into a town or walk into a
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village or walk into a city or join a community you know, and
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make this claim you know what I mean like we'll just say for.
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Example. I'll use myself, you know, as
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the example and and OK, I have, you know, been doing.
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Content for seven seasons and eight years or whatever it's
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been, you know, almost a decade worth of time spent on the
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Internet putting myself out here and you know, maybe my
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reputation by and large has been that of good you know, people
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generally support what I have to say there's.
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Always going to be the naysayers.
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There's always going to be the trolls, there's always going to
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be the haters. Kind of one of those things
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where if you are putting yourself out here and and you're
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doing good work. The benchmark that kind of lets
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you know you're on the right track is when you have people
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who mostly support you, but then you got those ones that come in
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and want to, you know, stir the pot and just troll you all the
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time. And I've.
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Had and still have plenty of those.
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But anyway, the point being is that if I go somewhere where
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I've never been heard of, I don't have a reputation and and
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they go, who are you? And you know.
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What's your claim and this and that I could claim it?
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But if I sad, you know, it would be better for me to show.
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Them right, let me show you what I have to offer.
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Let me show you my worth. Let me show you through deeds,
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through actions, rather than saying well.
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Yes, I am. I am he who is from Midgard
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Musings, you see. And I and I have a podcast from
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seven seasons and all this big talk and all that doesn't
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matter. The works matter.
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The deeds matter. Now the deeds will speak for
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themselves and people can see that.
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But you know, that's that's like one example I could give and
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even, you know, in the sources, right.
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I'll go back to the whole of them all with with some of the
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words of wisdom and the warnings that or the admonitions that
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come from that piece of literature.
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We don't see people being, you know, applauded or praised for
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just being the loudest voice and saying the most and talking the
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most, which it's more about the measured speech.
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You know, showing carefulness, thoughtfulness, the.
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Yeah, not just going out here and and yapping your jaw.
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You could see. Throughout other sources as
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well, if you want to look at some of the sagas I can think
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of, you know a Gil's Saga and Y'all's Saga as another one.
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Plenty of other sagas here, but those are just a couple that
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come to mind. Where in the the characters that
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the the people in the sagas are you know?
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There's there's, there's different characters, there's.
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Different people you, you know, and the ones who tend to.
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Act in ways that are prideful, if you will.
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They don't. They don't let the thing that
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happened or the thing that was done to them sink in.
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They, they, they. React to it instead of respond.
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The people that generally in these that that do stuff like
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that in the stories are are. They often just bring themselves
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to ruin, you know, arguments. Escalate into feuds because of
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ego. And it's like it's wisdom tied
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to restraint, right? Thinking of before you act.
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There's times when action is required without too much
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forethought. But in the majority of of
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things, you know, if you just take the time to think about
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what you're going to do before you do it, you'll come out.
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Better for it, it'll be a better outcome.
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So yeah, these feuds that escalate because of ego.
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Is not wisdom tied to restraint. It's, it's about dominance.
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It's about you know, you insulted me.
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This you you know and and. Are you killed?
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You know, you stole. You did this to me.
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Now I got to do back to you the vengeance, you know, and all
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that. So I like to think about this
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too, because as I was coming up with this podcast episode and
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I'm thinking where to go with it.
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You know, I can't help but think like the the general air about
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what heathen tends to attract, right?
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Are these people who are so bold in their in their ways, you know
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what I mean? Or they.
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Like it they like. They like the idea of healer
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because of its boldness, right? And you don't take any crap and
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you don't, you know, you answer, you know.
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Treachery with betrayal. This.
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Is another line in the hall of them all that often times gets
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positioned or leveraged to excuse or justify why if
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somebody mistreats you, you should mistreat them in return
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and all of this. But I got to thinking, you know,
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and sure, you can read it in that context, but what if, what
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if those? What if those things that were
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written about as? The world view of the people.
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In in the society at the time, it worked.
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There it it. But what if we look at it from
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our angle now go, OK, we're heathens in modern times, some
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of these things don't practically fit into our current
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society. And even back in the day when
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they were a part of society, how much better worth could things
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have gone if you know, like how many, how many, how many feuds,
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how many blood feuds could have been avoided in the sagas if
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people just didn't let their pride get wounded?
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You know? So I like to, I like to consider
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me personally, right? I like to consider these sagas
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as warnings, as examples of, yes, this is probably something
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that happened or something close to it that happened, but we're
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reading it now in our modern era.
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So they can be seen as warnings of, hey, don't do this.
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This is not the smart way to behave.
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This is not a good way to behave.
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This is not a way of honor. You know, we don't want to
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congratulate or admire, you know, inflated egos and the
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behaviors that come with it because it's dangerous.
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It can cause problems to things. It can damage the the threads of
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our weird and and others so much.
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So. So yeah, me personally, I would,
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I would, I like to learn what I can from the sagas and then take
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them into context as many times warnings on what not to do, not
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necessarily what to do. And you know, that's my take on
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it. So your take might be different.
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Feel free to again share your thoughts in the comments if you
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can. So actions, right?
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What leads up to actions are the things that are, are said before
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the action takes place. A lot of times we're, we're
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seeing egos getting stroked or we're seeing insults getting
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thrown. We're seeing words being flung
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around like daggers and and in these old sources in in the
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literature quite often what we. See is that, you know, they're
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showing a deep awareness of the power of speech.
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Words are magic. They weave spells.
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That's why it's called spelling. I've know you've all heard that
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term before. It's not an original quote, but
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when a one key thing to to keep in mind is it when it comes to.
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The the the. When it comes to the outcome of
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certain things, I'll words, things that are spoken like
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we'll say maybe curses or unneeding, you know, or, or or
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something, it's solemn things. It's, it's, it's words and yes,
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words overall, I believe you know.
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But but especially words of of like destruction or curses,
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right we see through the sources that they were treated as
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potent, strong. Forces in that society, right?
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No less than today. Or words again.
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Carry power. So if that's the case, and if we
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can confidently say that words have power and we even see.
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In older sources, that that concept was known then speaking
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carelessly, arrogantly, has consequences not that far of a
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stretch to come to that conclusion.
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It's kind of like the modern, you know, don't the modern
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phrase. Or, you know, something along
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the lines of, you know, don't, don't, don't write checks with
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your mouth that your hands can't cash.
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You know, don't talk. About it be about.
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It talk shit, get hit. These are modern things that
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that people are aware of what you know, our words have
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consequences. And even the gods show what the
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cost of the ego can bring. OK, look at Loki for.
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Example, I know Loki doesn't get a whole lot of attention on this
25:24
particular show. His his presence in the sources
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is much later than other gods and goddesses even it doesn't
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and and and he seems to be primarily a a God that is
25:47
appears and and again, the much like Snorri and and later on.
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It's it's it's hard to say for sure with confidence through
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other sources that we have that Loki was a known figure amongst
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the Scandinavian people. Definitely nothing like that or
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or definitely not on the continent.
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This. Figure Loki is a figure in the
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sources did not migrate from the continental areas of of Europe
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up up to the far north, but as a figure in the later sources.
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Whether it's the Poetic Edda, Prose Edda, what have you, he
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definitely is. Recognize they're seen as a a
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force of chaos or disruption, you know, I mean.
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He's constantly embodying characteristics of breaking
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boundaries and even mockery. Look at the Locus Center.
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You know he literally comes uninvited to a feast, half
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ripped off of his off of his butt and starts insulting
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everybody there now. Whether or not the the things
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that he was exposing were true, because they were.
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The things that he was saying and this isn't this is this is
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an important thing that I wanted to bring up, even though the
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things that Loki was was accusing the gods and goddesses
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of in Aegon's halt in the locus in a poem, even though they
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were. True.
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And he exposes those truths. Even though that's the case,
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he's doing so with a destructive agenda.
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People might look at it. And and, and have a take on it
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that's different than mine, and that's OK.
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You might, you might, you might look at Loki in in, in that
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context and see. Well, no, he was.
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He was the necessary force to bring about this this, you know,
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this awareness, right? My point for it though, is that
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being right doesn't make you wise.
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And delivery matters. Intention matters.
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I've had to personally wrestle with this myself.
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Umm, and come to a realization myself personally.
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That just because facts are facts and truth is truth.
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Sometimes that truth, sometimes those facts needs to be.
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Kept silent. Not all truths are meant to be
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exposed. Not all facts are meant to be
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revealed. And this is especially.
28:40
Hard when we're dealing with people who we care about or who
28:44
we love, or if we arrive. At a point in our spirituality
28:48
that we feel we have been enlightened or that we feel we
28:51
have been awakened to some universal truths, that everybody
28:56
should be awakened to them as well.
28:58
Everybody should know what I know, because how much better
29:02
would we all be if we did? And this is where the ego comes
29:08
in, that I want everybody to know what I know.
29:14
It's not for everybody to know. You didn't.
29:15
I didn't know the things that I know now.
29:18
Before it was time for me to know them.
29:20
Before I was awakened to them, before I did my own inner work
29:25
and my own spiritual, you know, discoveries were made, were made
29:30
clear. It's it's not for me to show
29:37
others they will find it themselves.
29:39
We can, we can be a sort of beacon, We can be, we can be a
29:47
light. In the darkness, as it were.
29:49
I know that sounds kind of cliche.
29:53
But for people. Out here that you know watch my
29:55
content or or have listened to me over the years.
29:58
If you go back even just a few years ago, you know there have
30:02
been. Gradual things about my content.
30:04
I was actually watching a clip of my own material from like
30:11
probably. Four years ago.
30:17
And yeah, it was a 5 minute clip.
30:22
And in the clip I'm like the things that I'm talking about
30:26
makes sense. But the way that I was saying I
30:30
could, I could. Sense my own bitterness.
30:33
I could sense my own anger coming through towards other
30:38
people, towards the kin of mine. I was not naming names, but I
30:44
was being very targeted in my approach on it.
30:46
And that that's, that's not how I want to be, you know, anymore.
30:55
It comes through. It does creep in.
30:57
There are times where I'm like, I'm going to make a Facebook
30:59
post or I'm going to post something on my channel.
31:02
I'm going to, you know, reveal something of a truth.
31:11
And the agenda behind it is to, in a sort of backhanded way,
31:16
target an individual or individuals.
31:21
You have to be careful with that, you know, because what is,
31:23
what is what you're doing actually for?
31:26
It's not for the right reasons. It's it's for stroking your own
31:30
ego, my own ego, knowing that I posted something here that
31:34
people are not going to see and they're going to react to it.
31:36
They're not going to know the context of things that I know.
31:38
The men, they're going to get something out of it perhaps.
31:40
And they're going to, yeah, you know, way to go.
31:42
And that's, and that's so much of what happens with anybody
31:46
that I don't care who you are, you put yourself out here on the
31:50
Internet. This is a trap that is easily.
31:52
Falling into there's a cost of knowing things.
31:58
Odin famously exposes that truth, but he does so when in
32:05
such a way that is not. It's just an awareness sort of
32:09
thing. It's a hate, you know.
32:13
This is what? Happens when you go looking for
32:17
answers, the things that you didn't know and that maybe you
32:21
shouldn't know. And if you really pry and if you
32:23
really dig and you go so far into that, that madness, you're
32:30
going to you're going to come out on the other side.
32:34
Scarred, you know, a lot of people like to exalt.
32:40
Odin in their views as you know, the high one and and.
32:48
Wise father. Victory Father.
32:49
All Father. All the names that he gets
32:51
right, man, talk about stroking an ego.
32:55
The guy has hundreds of names attested to him because of all
33:00
the things that he's associated with or known for or has done.
33:03
So yeah, sure, he's he's a knowledge seeker.
33:08
But he's a he's, he's sacrificed so much for it and it's resulted
33:12
in suffering. Yes, he's gained the the wisdom
33:16
of the runes and the mysteries, but he literally hung himself
33:20
for a week and 1/2 on Idris Hill in order to do it in agony.
33:24
No food, no drink, pierced by his own spear, cold and windy.
33:32
You know, it's not something that you can just claim cheaply.
33:39
This knowledge, this, this, these gifts, these things, they
33:41
come with a price. It comes with a cost.
33:45
So there's a. Very distinct difference between
33:48
earning wisdom and performing wisdom, anybody?
33:53
Can pick up a book. Watch some YouTube videos, you
33:58
know, listen to a bunch of podcasts or whatever, agree or
34:02
not agree with what's being said, and they come up with
34:04
their own approach and their own opinion on how to tell the world
34:09
what they think. Anybody can do that?
34:12
A lot of people have a lot of people are a lot of people will
34:17
that performative behavior. It's a, you know, it's and I've
34:25
been, you know, I've been doing this now for a long enough time
34:28
that I can confidently speak on this.
34:31
There was a time where none of what I'm saying right now should
34:35
have been coming out of my mouth, you know, and it didn't.
34:39
There were, there was actually one at one point in time where I
34:42
was going to do a video on a book on heathen customs and, and
34:54
what are called thus. And the book is pretty infamous
34:59
in the heathen community. It's called We are Our Deeds.
35:02
And I thought, yeah, I'm going to, I've read this book now.
35:05
I literally read it one time. I referenced it several times,
35:09
but I read it just the one time, you know, I was a baby heathen,
35:13
man. I'd been, you know, I'd barely
35:17
had I'd, I'd barely been a heathen for a couple of years at
35:21
that point. I'm about to put a video out on
35:23
my YouTube channel that I just created to talk about my
35:26
interpretation of things. And I got checked on that,
35:30
rightly so. Talking about you have no
35:33
business speaking on any of these things.
35:36
You have no, You have no idea when any of these things even
35:39
mean. You haven't experienced them
35:41
yet. You haven't.
35:42
Just because you've. Acquired the knowledge of the
35:46
book and just because you've read it one time, just because
35:48
you've, you know, referenced it here or there, you think it's,
35:53
you know, meaningful of this or that does not put you in a
35:56
position of authority to speak on it.
36:01
So stand down. Is what it was basically told to
36:06
me like that so. And I did.
36:07
I took that. It was a harsh lesson for me to
36:10
learn at the time, but I realized that, yeah, you know
36:11
what? I'm out of my lane.
36:13
I need and I need to stay in my lane.
36:18
So let's bring some of these things into.
36:21
Today and we're talking about. Source materials and the sagas
36:24
and you know, the gods and, and all of this and bring it into,
36:31
let's bring it into our modern world people.
36:33
Let's let's talk about identity over practice, because I think
36:40
in modern heathen spaces today it becomes very easy to identify
36:44
as something, whether it's being shaped by the aesthetic.
36:50
Right. You like the look of the tunic
36:51
or the dress or the furs or the. Hairstyles, right?
36:57
Whatever the thing might be, or you, you again, you become
37:03
really integrated into a community and you see.
37:05
People with titles of. Leadership, you know, go the
37:10
this and Chieftain that and you're all so and so, right?
37:17
You've got content creators looking cool, sounding cool,
37:23
doing cool things, right? Maybe you want your own online
37:27
persona? This identity over.
37:35
Practice is a very slippery slope because yes, our.
37:45
Identity does have an aesthetic. A heathen identity does have an
37:50
aesthetic, but it also doesn't. It's not going to make or break
37:54
you. As a person to have.
37:56
A tunic or have furs or have axes and all these kind, you
37:59
know what I mean? Like if you really want to have
38:01
a heathen identity then put on a comfortable cotton pair of pants
38:08
and and. Over shirt, maybe tunic, right
38:11
And pick up a hoe, Pick up a shovel, pick up a rake, pick up
38:14
a don't pick up a like pick up a garden tool.
38:16
Not to realize what I said there.
38:19
Kids don't go out picking up hoes.
38:24
Don't clip that, but anyway, live in the country, be a
38:30
gardener, be a be be somebody who lives off the country
38:32
because that's a heat that's that's even identity right
38:35
there. The country.
38:38
Dwellers the the the the heath dwellers.
38:40
It's what to be. Heathen is and right have a have
38:43
a relationship with the land. You can do that in a pair of you
38:48
know a pair of jeans and T-shirt, shorts and flip flops,
38:52
tank top, whatever. You know, you ain't got to have
38:54
a a whole ensemble or whatever. It's nice if you want to.
38:59
I mean, it's, you know, nothing against it.
39:00
Obviously I do. I have tunics that have been
39:02
gifts. I have, you know, certain things
39:05
that definitely have a certain appeal to them for.
39:09
The aesthetic that they bring. But it does not define my.
39:14
Practice. I practice Heathenry every day
39:18
outside of these threads, you know.
39:24
That's what it's about. Another one again, we talked
39:28
earlier in the show or I mentioned earlier on in the show
39:31
about UPG unverified personal gnosis.
39:36
Seems to me that they are still people.
39:38
Out here that come to Heathenry that have their UPG, they're
39:44
warned about it. Maybe they for a time.
39:48
Feel like it needs to be quenched or or not given any
39:51
sort of attention to. This is not what I'm about to
39:54
say does not. I don't want this to be
39:56
misconstrued. I do think that there is value
39:59
and there is valid placement it within our heathen practices for
40:04
UPG because at one point in time the traditions that we have now
40:09
were someone's UPG. They didn't have a source to go
40:12
off of, they had their experiences.
40:17
But one of the one of the one of the things that we need to be
40:20
careful of in modern times is. Because we have these sources,
40:23
because we have things that were known as traditions of a certain
40:28
culture, It's, it's very, we have to be very careful about.
40:32
Presenting our own UPG, our own unverified personal notices as
40:35
authority. And I think there's some people
40:38
out here that are still taking that and doing that.
40:42
It's, it's a real issue the, you know, presenting our personal
40:46
experiences as universal truth. Because you know.
40:50
I had a dream and Odin was there.
40:52
I, you know, was sitting outside by a river and I heard Freya or,
41:00
and I have been. I love hearing the, the, the,
41:02
the experiences that people have that they want to share with me.
41:07
I am not, I'm not downplaying your personal experiences.
41:10
I'm not, I'm not discrediting anything, but let's leave them
41:15
there. Let's work through that where
41:18
they where, where it belongs. Don't come out here and try to
41:21
position it as an authority. Don't try to have your personal
41:25
experience or anyone's personal experience be the reason why
41:29
you're not. You're you're doing something
41:31
that experience was for that person or for those people
41:34
involved and how that becomes woven into the fabric of their
41:41
weird and the people's weird around them.
41:46
It's very specific, it's personal.
41:55
Experience does matter, all right, You know, again, I go
41:59
back to that experience does matter.
42:00
Our experiences matter, but without any sort of grounding,
42:04
without any sort of knowing of. Source.
42:11
I guess this is the best way I could put it.
42:13
And it just becomes, you know, a self reinforcement or self
42:17
reinforcing action, you know. This is how the gods behave all
42:23
the time because of what I. Experienced just this one time.
42:32
It can, really. Inflate the ego along with
42:35
things like titles and status, right?
42:38
Status, status, whatever. Talk a little bit about that a
42:42
second. Ago, you know.
42:44
Where people love to have a title.
42:51
They love to be known by something other than who they
42:55
are, other than their name. They love to have a title in
42:57
front of their name. The Reverend of this, which is
43:00
crazy. First of all, to have a Pagan
43:06
person adopt. A.
43:08
A title of, of Christian authority, the Reverend so and
43:13
so I've seen that a lot, but you know, it'll, we'll talk about
43:18
heat in this, right? Heat in spaces where you know,
43:21
you're the go, the I'm the go the, OR even outside of titles,
43:25
right? Followers, making sure that
43:28
you're growing your followers on, on your personal or your
43:32
platforms, right? Tik Toks and Instagrams and
43:34
YouTube and whatever and trying to trying to position yourself
43:45
as an authority or you know, I keep saying yourselves, guys,
43:50
don't, don't don't mind how you're trying to scold people or
43:53
or whatever, but you know, themselves, we the people out
43:56
here trying to position themselves in a position of.
43:57
Authority because their platform has influence or they want their
44:01
platform to be influential and they want to be an influencer
44:04
and they want to be a creator of content and they want to, you
44:07
know, I went through that phase too.
44:10
So I'm speaking about this from experience.
44:12
It's it's it's an easy. Trap to fall into for for a lot
44:17
of folks. Some people it's not because not
44:20
a lot of people like to be on the Internet a lot, not a lot of
44:22
people want to have their faces or voices.
44:24
Seen or heard? There's plenty good people out
44:27
here that, you know, they don't want their, they don't want
44:32
their likeness. For the world to see.
44:36
But for those that do right? Seeking that status in spiritual
44:44
spaces, right, you can call me go the so and so all right so.
44:50
What if the people gave you that title?
44:51
So what if you earned it? I mean, it's a title.
44:54
It's like, I guess you should be proud of it if you've earned it.
44:58
And if it's a deed name that you've been assigned to your
45:02
people, but you know what I mean, that have have bestowed it
45:05
upon you. But don't get carried away with
45:07
it. Don't you know it's important to
45:12
remember? That right?
45:13
Like just because we've grown spiritually as individuals,
45:18
right? Talk about the ego.
45:22
Doesn't go away when we are are awakened to things or we grow.
45:29
If anything, it, it often just becomes more sophisticated and
45:32
becomes more, you know, we become so enriched with this
45:36
knowledge, with this, with this gift, with the wisdoms, with
45:42
the, with the this and with the that that, umm, sometimes our
45:47
egos become so. Sophisticated that it.
45:49
Keeping it in check is even harder than before.
45:54
Can confirm. Right, that is something that
45:56
I've definitely struggled with. So why is this a problem?
46:11
Well, first of all. This behavior can can cause
46:21
tradition to be distorted because the people that see the
46:29
behavior will assign that to the way.
46:35
They won't know any better. The newcomers, right?
46:37
The people that. Have no idea, You know, maybe
46:43
they're discovering a path themselves and they're coming
46:45
into contact. With these types of individuals
46:49
who have. Fallen into that.
46:53
Trap of of you know that spiritual ego so that can
47:02
distort the tradition of what? Things truly are and have been
47:06
and how we carry those old ways now into the into the modern era
47:12
and. So what people who don't know
47:15
about the traditions see is a path that feels.
47:18
Centered around individuals, not values, not not not not
47:26
traditions. And it's no surprise to me that
47:31
this is a. This is something that we're
47:33
talking about because I've, I've, when I first came into
47:37
heathen, you know, one of the things that I thought was
47:39
appealing to me about it was the fact.
47:41
That I can be, I can be my own individual, I can do my own
47:45
thing. There's no rules.
47:47
It's my way. I heathen how I want to heathen.
47:51
And there's, you know, there's no book of instructions that
47:54
tell me one way to. Be and I have to do it.
47:56
And if I don't, you know I'm going to be punished by the gods
48:00
or this or that. How liberating is that kind of a
48:03
feeling? And I think what we've lost
48:06
sight of is the fact that while there might not be any of those
48:11
types of things going on in Heathrow, no books of
48:13
instructions, no equivalents to Bibles or anything like that,
48:17
there are absolutely ways of doing things that are proper.
48:22
It is an orthopraxic belief system.
48:25
He then reads. It's there are proper ways and
48:27
right ways and correct ways of doing things.
48:30
And there are incorrect and improper and wrong ways of doing
48:33
things, and if that offends you, I'm sorry, get over.
48:37
It it's just the way it is. That's the truth.
48:40
There are proper. Ways of doing things and there
48:42
are improper ways of doing things and if you're going to if
48:50
you're going to do something and call it something that it needs
48:52
to be done the. Proper.
48:53
Way like or at least acknowledged.
48:59
You know, hey, you want to stumble?
49:02
Great. Where you want to do it?
49:04
Oh, let's go do it around the campfire.
49:05
Well, then it's not. A stumble, not a stumble
49:07
anymore, if you're outdoors and there's enough historical
49:12
information that backs that up, so call it something else.
49:16
Go drink your drinks around the fire and and hail the gods and
49:20
hail your ancestors and hail the heroes and give your toasts or
49:24
boasts right. Do it in a circle.
49:26
Share a horn if you want. None of that is historical
49:29
symbol. You can call it something else,
49:32
but it's important that we make these distinctions.
49:35
Otherwise the tradition gets distorted, right?
49:41
And that weakens communities. Because then people's people see
49:48
the truth of things. It creates, it creates this lack
49:51
of trust, it creates unnecessary conflict.
49:53
There's, there's, there's struggles between.
49:57
Who's right and who's wrong? Well, the go the.
50:00
Said this so he must or she must be right.
50:03
Why? Because they have this title
50:05
that they picked up or that was. Given to them or whatever,
50:08
right. And it's, you know, come so
50:11
fragmented and then you know, and, and by just by by just that
50:18
alone, it it halts personal growth.
50:21
You're all stuck on those things, the individual things,
50:29
not the, not the core values of things, you know, umm, and I'm
50:39
not the biggest, you know, I'm not like I'm not a Jungian.
50:42
I like a lot of Carl Jung's philosophies.
50:47
Umm, Nietzsche. You know, I like a lot of
50:49
different philosophers. Concepts on on the ego, but the
50:54
ego can actually reinforce itself through religion quite
51:00
quite famously, you know. So if our beliefs are always
51:08
confirming us, then we have we have a bit of an issue, right?
51:16
We're not being challenged. We're we're, we're, we're just
51:21
being reinforced. Our egos are being.
51:24
Stroked so kind of counterbalances this, right?
51:33
Bringing it back to a. Heathen way of it.
51:39
The reputation, a good reputation, fair fame.
51:45
That takes time. You don't declare something.
51:50
Of worth upon yourself it was. First of all, your worth was
51:58
demonstrated and then it was assigned.
52:04
To you, by your people. Your worth was determined by
52:08
what you did, not what you proclaimed or made a declaration
52:12
of, like Beowulf. Didn't just come into, you know,
52:21
was it Frothgar? He didn't just come into that
52:24
hall talking about he can kill Grendel without being challenged
52:32
about it, first of all, without being without that, that boast
52:35
being challenged. He went on and he showed.
52:42
That what he said he could do, he could do.
52:45
He demonstrates it. We are such a.
52:56
Widely dispersed or displaced society nowadays there's there's
53:00
so much of us like for for. Most of us here in the United
53:03
States that live east of the Mississippi, we, we are so
53:11
concentrated, yet we are. So dispersed, like I said,
53:17
there's more people population wise on the eastern half of the
53:22
United. States than there are in the
53:24
western half of the United States and yet I see more people
53:31
and you know, just because I see it doesn't mean that it's always
53:35
true right I again my my my my point of view isn't the final
53:42
authority either but as I say, it's interesting to see you know
53:45
people on the West Coast of the United States, which by and
53:52
large is a much more. Not as densely populated area as
53:56
the eastern East Coast or the eastern half of the United
53:59
States is they seem to be. More closely knit out there than
54:03
we are over here. And we again, we're more densely
54:05
populated. We have more people in areas
54:08
than they do. And yet we just we're so
54:13
dispersed. We don't, I had, you know, we
54:15
had our, we had a cigar bloat gathering here.
54:22
At my house and my wife's house here last week and just had a
54:27
few people over, a few of our nearest friends and say Ken, you
54:30
know our our Ken folk, even though they're not related by
54:33
blood, they are every bit of family to us.
54:38
And it was like, man, this is so great.
54:40
Like, why does it? Why does it go so long?
54:42
Why we wait? You know, whether it's waiting
54:45
purposefully or just time escapes you.
54:48
You know, you don't realize just how long it's been since we hung
54:50
out together, since we've done anything of, of meaning
54:54
together. So things like that should be
55:01
happening more because it's, you know, it's about positioning
55:05
community over. Self.
55:10
You know, working and weaving our we are together and and
55:14
strengthening bonds together, not just growing ourselves.
55:20
Right, that's it's day-to-day. Yes, that's what we that's what
55:24
we should be doing. We should also.
55:26
Be working with each other in our communities and and
55:29
strengthening those bonds because that is definitely a
55:35
value that is definitely traditional values of of of a
55:38
heathen society from those old, from those old ways.
55:43
They were kin based societies. They were obligation driven.
55:50
You are my kin. I am yours.
55:52
You are mine. We got each other's backs, you
55:57
know, and focus was on reputation.
55:59
Your reputation mattered. To have a poor reputation could
56:05
mean the difference between whether you survived the winter
56:08
or not, whether you ate. Well, or not.
56:12
So it wasn't about this reputation because I want people
56:15
to to, to think of me as as being, you know, Jesse's cool or
56:19
Jesse's awesome or this or that. Now as I want people to know
56:23
that Jesse's a good person, an honorable man.
56:26
And that should Jesse need something because of his
56:28
reputation, of course we're going to help him because he's
56:31
got a good reputation. If somebody has a bad
56:33
reputation, and this is even true in modern context, guys and
56:36
gals, right? I mean, how many people have you
56:38
come in contact with that your acquaintances, you know them,
56:44
you don't really call yourself friends, but you're familiar
56:46
with one another and man, that that there's just that one
56:50
person that is like, you know what, he's all right, she's all
56:55
right, but. Not going to not going to answer
57:01
a phone call at one of the morning forum if they're having
57:04
a rough time there, you know, let them figure it out on their
57:06
own. You know, I want to be the
57:09
person with the right people, not with everybody, but I do
57:13
want to have the reputation of being there for people that or,
57:16
you know, and living in ways that are honorable now that if I
57:22
need something from somebody, there's no hesitation.
57:27
It's, you know, I have access to that because I've earned it.
57:34
That's what I'm talking about. Reputation focus, not for the
57:37
self, not to inflate the ego to you know, like I'm a great
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person and everybody thinks so you know, it's it's to have
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those bonds of strength that those those Frith bound
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connections, because you know. Discipline should should ride
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over expression. We talked about this last week
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with Patrick. You know what you do repeatedly
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matters more than what you say occasionally or what you.
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It sure might sound good, but having that discipline, that's
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what matters. It's It's more than just an
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expression. And you know.
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If I have. To sit with something of a hard
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truth that, again, it's not. It's not a dig at anybody.
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It's not a dig at any group. It's, it's just a reality that I
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want to share because I've, I've sat with this truth myself.
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But if you're Heathenry nowadays, if, if the heathenry
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that we're practicing now makes anybody feel superior to others,
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OK, If the way that someone is doing something makes them feel
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superior to others, I would venture to say that that person
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or those people are not deep in the path, They're deep in
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themselves. They're so self absorbed.
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They've, they've taken so much of their experience and made it
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about themselves that that's become their identity.
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It's so, yeah, some things to think about, you know, I mean,
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at least it, you know, again, my view is not the view.
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It's if you think about what I've said today and it resonates
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with you, love to hear your thoughts about it.
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And then as you're thinking about it, I would ask yourself
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to ask the questions that I've asked myself.
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Do I? Am I seeking validation?
1:00:02
More than growth or overgrowth, am I speaking?
1:00:05
More than I practice am I treating my experience as
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unquestionable truth and then trying to put.
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Push that truth on others. Would I?
1:00:14
Would I? Would I be doing any of this?
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If I didn't have the podcast to talk about it on, Would I be?
1:00:20
Doing any of this, if nobody knew about it, I think these are
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questions that really bring what we've talked about today and put
1:00:32
it in a in a way that we can. Move forward with and and and
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take that and make the right changes.
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Make the make the necessary changes, you know.
1:00:44
Because listen, the goal, I see it as as any spiritual path,
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whether you're heathen or any other term that you refer to it.
1:00:54
But any goal of a spiritual path isn't to inflate.
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Ourselves or our egos. It's it's to refine it.
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I've talked about certain practices and experiencing what
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some would call ego death. Whether it be through shadow
1:01:16
work, whether it be through medicine, whether it be through
1:01:18
whatever process. I mean, the ego doesn't ever
1:01:27
truly die. It's refined.
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There's aspects of our ego that no longer serve us that we don't
1:01:34
give place to. We confront it and it's and it's
1:01:40
a refining process if. You think about what refinement
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is, what refining is is. It's not dumping the whole thing
1:01:50
out. It's not throwing the bath baby
1:01:52
out with the bathwater. It's making sure that what's
1:01:57
there is of service and what's not of service is dissolved.
1:02:12
So we can look at our sources as heathens we can.
1:02:17
We can look to the poems, we can look to the sagas, We can look
1:02:20
to. Folklore.
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Even now we can look to regional traditions, regional practices.
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And one thing that I don't think we'll see in any of these
1:02:38
sources, no matter what source we're looking at, one thing we
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won't see is perfect people. We won't find perfection.
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Heck, we won't even see that with the gods, right?
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The the source is really just. They show us so many real and
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practical things, the consequences of our actions, the
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consequences of pride, the values of restraint, the the,
1:03:01
the, the weight of a lived reputation.
1:03:07
And if you want to walk any of any path seriously, but
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especially if you want to take Heathenry seriously, then you
1:03:16
have to be willing to confront the uncomfortable things.
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Right. Not just.
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What you believe in, but the person who you're becoming
1:03:28
through it. What your beliefs are?
1:03:32
Shaping you into the type of person you're becoming through
1:03:35
those beliefs so. Facing that mirror, you know,
1:03:46
and not just. Not just in a glance.
1:03:48
Not just when you wake up in the morning to wash your face or
1:03:52
brush your teeth. Or comb your hair or fix your
1:03:55
appearance, right? Not just in those fleeting
1:03:59
moments, but really take the time.
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I actually did a a reflection exercise just this last month,
1:04:10
about a month ago now. You know where I sat in it was
1:04:17
outside, it was dark. I had candlelight to help
1:04:20
illuminate the space in front of me, but I had a bowl of water.
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And I sat there for 15 minutes just looking, gazing at my
1:04:34
reflection in the water, letting the things that were there that
1:04:42
I maybe didn't like to see or didn't like the look of.
1:04:47
I didn't shy away from it. I didn't, I couldn't ignore it.
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I didn't close my eyes to it. I didn't turn away.
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My face, if anything, I, I gazed more intently.
1:04:59
I, I really tried to see what it was that was being shown to me.
1:05:05
You know, is this something behind the mask?
1:05:09
As it were. That is coming through that I'm
1:05:12
being allowed to see that I need to.
1:05:14
Either give space. To or that I need to refine,
1:05:18
right? What am I looking at here?
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What am I seeing? What is what is being shown to
1:05:22
me? And in that process and through
1:05:27
those practices, I was given some very needed messages, some
1:05:35
much needed medicine, if you will.
1:05:40
And it and it that itself right there might not be a traditional
1:05:45
heathen thing. We don't necessarily have a
1:05:47
source that says anything about doing that, but it is an
1:05:51
absolutely for me, it was, it was, it was a great tool to
1:05:55
leverage in my spiritual practice.
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And it really gave me the, the chance to examine myself.
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So whether you have a physical mirror, or whether you look in
1:06:10
the water at your reflection, or whether you close your eyes and
1:06:16
look at yourself through your mind's eye, you know, be ready
1:06:22
to face the ugly. Be ready to face the grim.
1:06:27
Be ready to face the vulnerable parts of yourself, the hurt
1:06:35
parts of yourself, the damaged parts of yourself, the wounded
1:06:39
parts of yourself and be and give yourself that grace and
1:06:44
realize that there's work that needs to be done and, and, and
1:06:47
then heal through that. It's a beautiful thing.
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I wouldn't. I would.
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I guess I would part ways with you.
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Today on this episode with with just that, you know, don't be
1:07:01
afraid to look in the mirror. Don't be afraid to give space to
1:07:06
what you don't, you know, you don't want to confront.
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Don't let the ego be the focus. And yeah, man, that's I think
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that's it. That's everything I got for you
1:07:24
this week. So again, thank you all for
1:07:27
tuning in for this week's episode.
1:07:29
I hope you enjoyed it. If it resonated with you, if
1:07:31
there's anything about this that.
1:07:34
Stood stood out to you. Would love to hear what you have
1:07:36
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1:07:55
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1:08:03
supporters, all the listeners, all the viewers.
1:08:05
Thank you for the support. Have a great week, have a great
1:08:09
weekend. And until we talk to each other
1:08:12
again, may the gods continue to notice you and may your
1:08:17
ancestors. Smile upon you, see you in the
1:08:20
next one. None.