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S2E15 - Sister_ Mother_ Advocate_ Ashley Griggs on Life After Hailey_s Disappearance(M4A_128K) · Luke's English Podcast

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Speaker 1: In Tragedy a true crime podcast, we discuss missing persons, cases,
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Speaker 1: a True crime Podcast.
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Speaker 2: I'm Elisa and I'm Michael, and today we're.
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Speaker 1: Joined by Hailey's sister, Ashley. Ashley has been closely involved
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Speaker 1: in the search for answers since Haley disappeared, working alongside
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Speaker 1: her family to understand what happened and to keep attention
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Speaker 1: on her case. Ashley will share who Haley is beyond
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Speaker 1: the missing person report, walk through the known timeline surrounding
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Speaker 1: her disappearance, and discuss the unanswered questions that continue to
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Speaker 1: concern her family. Her perspective offers important context on both
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Speaker 1: the investigation and the ongoing impact this case has had
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Speaker 1: on those closest to Haley. Thank you for being here
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Speaker 1: and welcome to the show. Yes, thank you for having me.
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Speaker 2: Okay, what we're going to do that we kind of
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Speaker 2: started this season is, you know, some of the obviously
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Speaker 2: most of the topics we're talking about are pretty tough,
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Speaker 2: so we'd like to start a little bit lighter. So
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Speaker 2: what we get into is kind of a question game.
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Speaker 2: So Alisa, why don't you kick us off?
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Speaker 1: All right? So your first question pancakes or waffles?
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Speaker 3: Uh?
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Speaker 1: Waffles. I think we're the.
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Speaker 2: Same, right, Michael, I think so, you know, one of
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Speaker 2: the things out here's how we know, Yeah, this is
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Speaker 2: how we know. I didn't realize that Alisa would have
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Speaker 2: this affinity to go to waffle House as often as
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Speaker 2: she wants to go, because, let's face it, it's not
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Speaker 2: top shelf stuff here. But you can get a waffle,
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Speaker 2: and that's what she actually wants. And so waffle House waffles.
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Speaker 1: Mine gets chocolate chips on it, and you get peanut
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Speaker 1: butter chrips, peanut butritter chips. Yeah. And I actually looked
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Speaker 1: to see if you guys have waffle House out there
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Speaker 1: in the Pacific Northwest, and I don't think you do,
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Speaker 1: do you?
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Speaker 3: I don't think so we have pancake houses and I hops,
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Speaker 3: but other than that, we don't really have specific waffle houses.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, there's a place. It's a chain. It's called waffle House,
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Speaker 1: and some people really love it and some people don't.
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Speaker 1: They're open twenty four hours, right.
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Speaker 2: They are they open twenty four hours in fact, in
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Speaker 2: the southeast.
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Speaker 1: Yes, you can.
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Speaker 2: Actually tell how powerful hurricanes is going to be here
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Speaker 2: because if they don't close the waffle house, that's a
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Speaker 2: good sign. If they close the waffle house, you need
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Speaker 2: to beat the hell out leave.
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Speaker 1: Yes, interesting, and I know they have come in Denver.
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Speaker 1: I've seen waffle houses in Denver. I don't know that
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Speaker 1: they go any farther west.
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Speaker 3: I don't think so.
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Speaker 1: You know, if you ever make a trip out to
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Speaker 1: the middle of the country, I strongly suggests.
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Speaker 2: You know and shout out to Maggie. I know Maggie's
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Speaker 2: not gonna like this, but we're definitely trying to still
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Speaker 2: encourage people to go visit waffle houses and see what
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Speaker 2: everyone's talking about and what they're missing.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm surprised. I never heard of that. I used
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Speaker 3: to live in Colorado for a couple of years.
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Speaker 1: So yeah, there's one in the Denver metro area. There
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Speaker 1: might be more than that, but I know that one
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Speaker 1: for sure. Maggie was in our listener round table when
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Speaker 1: we covered Ian Rogers's case, and she's not a fan
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Speaker 1: of waffle House, so we always send her pictures then
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Speaker 1: we go, so shout out to Maggie. All right, tell
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Speaker 1: us about your favorite vacation.
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Speaker 3: Ooh, I went to Hawaii with my brother. Unfortunately Haley
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Speaker 3: was not a part of that, but we went and
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Speaker 3: celebrated my grandfather's memorial actually, and spent a week in
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Speaker 3: Hawaii and going on that oh goodness, what is it
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Speaker 3: called the Road to Dahana. Yeah, you're checking out all
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Speaker 3: the cool beaches, you know. I'm just really spending that
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Speaker 3: qualitay time of my family.
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Speaker 1: Hawaii. Great choice. Yes, I love Hawaii. So we have
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Speaker 1: a sort of an interesting story about favorite vacations. Many
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Speaker 1: many years ago. We were at you know, the holiday
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Speaker 1: work Christmas party. Michael worked for a really small office.
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Speaker 1: I think there were maybe ten people, and so we
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Speaker 1: were having a sit down dinner and going around the
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Speaker 1: table talking about our favorite vacation. It came to him first,
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Speaker 1: and he started talking about this fly fishing trip that
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Speaker 1: we had taken to Montana, which I had to interrupt
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Speaker 1: him and say, that was actually my least favorite vacation ever.
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Speaker 1: So it was a really stranger like his very favorite
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Speaker 1: was my least favorite. It was hot. It was one
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Speaker 1: hundred and five degrees in Montana. We were camping and
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Speaker 1: we did not have an air conditioner at the time
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Speaker 1: in that that we had, and I just like pass, no,
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Speaker 1: thank you, but for you.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, it was the one of the best fly fishing
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Speaker 2: trips I've ever been on. So it's still it's one
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Speaker 2: of my top five. Still, as much as she was miserable,
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Speaker 2: you made it.
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Speaker 3: You made it.
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Speaker 2: You made it through.
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Speaker 3: I did.
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Speaker 1: But remember we stopped at a hotel room on the
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Speaker 1: way back because we were like, I'm.
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Speaker 2: Gonna yeah, she wasn't gonna talk to me much longer
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Speaker 2: if I didn't get her into an air conditioner. So
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Speaker 2: that's why the hotel happened.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, it's so funny story there, all right, last question,
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Speaker 1: where do you see yourself five years from now? Oh?
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Speaker 3: Well, I'm a mom so raising my kids. Hopefully I
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Speaker 3: am moving to Oregon soon to get out of this state.
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Speaker 3: But I work for a trucking company and I've been
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Speaker 3: pretty successful doing my position now, so working and being
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Speaker 3: a family person. We're also working on a nonprofit getting
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Speaker 3: that started for my in my sister's name. You know,
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Speaker 3: it's going to be bugs Legacy, So just being a
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Speaker 3: big part of that and being a mom.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, Michael, where do you see I guess it's us.
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Speaker 1: Where do you see us five years from now?
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Speaker 2: Celebrating you answering that question.
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Speaker 1: Because I said us, And yes, it's actually really funny.
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Speaker 1: You're funny. I feel like in five years right now,
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Speaker 1: we do a lot of traveling in our travel trailer.
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Speaker 1: I feel like we'll still be doing that in five years,
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Speaker 1: maybe not at the same clip that we are now.
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Speaker 1: Like last year, I think we'd ten thousand miles. This
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Speaker 1: year we're going all the way to Las Vegas, all
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Speaker 1: the way up to Mine, not all the way back
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Speaker 1: down to the southeast. So I mean, I think we'll
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Speaker 1: still be doing that, maybe just not as much as
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Speaker 1: we are now agree much, I would think, and maybe
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Speaker 1: kind of hang down here in the southeast and enjoy
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Speaker 1: the beaches. And I heard you talk about surfing. We're
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Speaker 1: really big into paddle boarding, kayaking. Water is a big
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Speaker 1: thing for me, having grown up in the Denver area.
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Speaker 1: I'll be around water as much as I can now,
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Speaker 1: so that's kind of what I'm thinking. Hopefully that's kind
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Speaker 1: of on your radar. To Michael, oh, of course. Okay, good,
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Speaker 1: all right, Well, thank you for that. It was good
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Speaker 1: getting to know you a little better. And we'll just
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Speaker 1: call herself the waffle Crew because I kind of like it.
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Speaker 1: It's good to me as long as they're crispy, no
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Speaker 1: saggy waffles. Yes, that makes sense to me. Same, all right,
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Speaker 1: So let's talk. Let's start our conversation about Haley, and
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Speaker 1: we want to start out with just asking you what
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Speaker 1: do you want people to know about Haley.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, my sister is you know, one of a kind
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Speaker 3: type of people. You know. She she did struggle with
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Speaker 3: addiction pretty early on in her life, unfortunately. But she
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Speaker 3: was a great sister. She was a great mom to
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Speaker 3: were girls, She was a great friend, she was great.
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Speaker 1: You know, family member.
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Speaker 3: Over a Haley was always lighted up the room when
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Speaker 3: she were to walk into She always made sure that
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Speaker 3: everyone else was taken care of, especially myself and my brother.
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Speaker 3: She always was a caretaker. And like I said, unfortunately,
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Speaker 3: addiction was one of those things that just happened to
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Speaker 3: really take a toll on her and was one of
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Speaker 3: those things that unfortunately we couldn't be.
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Speaker 1: Something that is really important to us and our listeners
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Speaker 1: know this is that we really want to get to
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Speaker 1: know the person, like the actual person, and we do
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Speaker 1: not name someone by maybe some of their behaviors or
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Speaker 1: things that were overwhelming to them. Those don't define the
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Speaker 1: people that we're talking about. And we found that Harpers
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Speaker 1: families feel like that's what happens, and in the news
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Speaker 1: and all that kind of stuff, it just becomes more of,
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Speaker 1: you know, so and so the addiction instead of naming
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Speaker 1: the person. Then, so we were just really grateful that
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Speaker 1: you're bringing all these great positive things to the forefront,
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Speaker 1: because sometimes those things get missed. We have learned when
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Speaker 1: these kinds of unfortunate things happen to people. So and so,
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Speaker 1: speaking about that, take yourself back to kind of the days,
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Speaker 1: months and weeks before she went missing. Did you notice
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Speaker 1: anything unusual happening or something that, as you reflect, stood
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Speaker 1: out to you.
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Speaker 3: Not off the top of my head, my sister and I,
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Speaker 3: you know, since she was in active recovery, we weren't
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Speaker 3: extremely close like we had been when I was younger,
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Speaker 3: you know, she kind of bounced in, bounced out, would
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Speaker 3: kind of come and go as she pleases, wouldn't really
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Speaker 3: stay in contact, but would make sure that you know,
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Speaker 3: every now and then, Hey just wanted to check in,
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Speaker 3: how are you doing.
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Speaker 1: So when it comes to.
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Speaker 3: The timeline of her leading up to it, no, just
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Speaker 3: because it wasn't abnormal for her not to check in
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Speaker 3: on a daily basis, unfortunately.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, And that's what makes it more complicated than it
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Speaker 1: already is. Is when you have someone that you're in
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Speaker 1: constant communication with, uh and maybe it's like a day
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Speaker 1: and you don't hear from them, then you started those
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Speaker 1: red flags kind of go up. But it seems like
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Speaker 1: in this case, wasn't there kind of a gap between
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Speaker 1: when she was verifiably last seen and when she was
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Speaker 1: reported missing.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, so the last time she was seen was in
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Speaker 3: around Thanksgiving of twenty twenty four, and she wasn't reported
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Speaker 3: missing until January of twenty twenty five. You know, like
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Speaker 3: I said, it wasn't abnormal for her to you know,
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Speaker 3: not communicate. You know, she you know, battled with a
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Speaker 3: lot of things personally, and you know, we would reach
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Speaker 3: out she wouldn't always have like a phone or a
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Speaker 3: way to communicate with us. She didn't have you know,
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Speaker 3: a cell phone to be able to just call and
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Speaker 3: whenever she wanted. She really used you know, like the
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Speaker 3: the third party apps like Facebook and what is that app?
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Speaker 3: What's app? Is that? What's called? So we didn't really
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Speaker 3: get the chance to just pick up the phone and
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Speaker 3: call her. So yeah, there was a pretty big gap.
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Speaker 3: Like I said, nothing really stood out to us, to
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Speaker 3: the family because it wasn't abnormal for her.
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Speaker 1: Mm hmmm, yes, So who can you tell us who
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Speaker 1: did report her missing and what happened, you know, in
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Speaker 1: the days directly after she was reported missing.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, of course, her best friend Shasta actually reported her missing.
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Speaker 3: You know, she noticed that she hadn't reached out in
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Speaker 3: quite a while. She had reached out a couple of times,
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Speaker 3: never really got a response, and Shasta called called it in.
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Speaker 3: She immediately started setting up searches in the area, hunting
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Speaker 3: down you know, leads. She still is to this day
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Speaker 3: trying to find leads, talking to people out on the street,
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Speaker 3: putting herself in positions that weren't necessarily safe, just to
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Speaker 3: figure out answers for my sister. You know, her ID
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Speaker 3: and some other items for my sister were located outside
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Speaker 3: of or inside of a bush outside of an apartment building,
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Speaker 3: and that's kind of where it all I guess started.
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Speaker 3: You know. She started from there, hunted down you found it,
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Speaker 3: and then continued to search. I mean, to this day
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Speaker 3: she goes out and searches probably every day.
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Speaker 1: Yes, we have. What we have learned during the course
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Speaker 1: of this work is there seems to always be one
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Speaker 1: like bright, shining, fierce star in every story, no matter
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Speaker 1: who we're covering, there's always that one person who is
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Speaker 1: just doing whatever it. Sometimes there's more than one, but
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Speaker 1: there's always that one beacon. And we have spoken with
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Speaker 1: Shasta and you know, one of the calls that I
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Speaker 1: was going to have with her, she wasn't able to
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Speaker 1: get back to me because she had been out at
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Speaker 1: like two and am two am in the morning. Something
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Speaker 1: had happened and she'd gotten a lead and she went
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Speaker 1: out after it. And yeah, so what you're describing, obviously
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Speaker 1: you all know and have experienced over the course of
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Speaker 1: this and we've just experienced that just in our short
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Speaker 1: time of getting to know you guys and hear about
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Speaker 1: Haley's story. So Chassa, is that one fierce shining star
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Speaker 1: in this story? And so can you talk to us
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Speaker 1: about law enforcement's response to the missing person's report? Oh gee.
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Speaker 3: In my personal opinion, I don't really think that they
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Speaker 3: did much. You know, when it comes to what is
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Speaker 3: the word called, oh gosh, uh, you know, shining light,
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Speaker 3: I should say all my sister's case or social media
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Speaker 3: or anything. They just were like, Nope, we're not going
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Speaker 3: to do any of that. You can do it, but
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Speaker 3: we're not going to do any of that. Anytime anybody
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Speaker 3: from news or media or even the Daily News reached
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Speaker 3: out to comment on it, they refused. You know, personally,
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Speaker 3: being a sister of somebody that has been missing, that
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Speaker 3: has three daughters, you know, one of which I am raising,
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Speaker 3: you know, they deserve answers. We deserve answers, and for
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Speaker 3: them to, in my opinion, not respond or give us
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Speaker 3: updates or really have anything to do with it, it's terrifying,
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Speaker 3: you know. Like you said at the beginning of the show,
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Speaker 3: they see Haley, they see that she has a drug addiction,
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Speaker 3: she's had previous other mental illnesses, and they just pin
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Speaker 3: of as, oh, she was a drug eat no big deal.
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Speaker 3: That's not the case. My sister doesn't just go missing,
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Speaker 3: you know. So it's it's very frustrating. It's very worrisome
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Speaker 3: that law enforcement just paint this picture and then throw
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Speaker 3: it on the counter for later.
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Speaker 2: You know, talk more about the ID that you found
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Speaker 2: the bush, any details around that you can share.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, so they found an ID, they found a bag,
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Speaker 3: they found a tablet, and some other items that can't
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Speaker 3: be named, but you know, one of those things was
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Speaker 3: claimed by somebody else saying, oh, that wasn't Haley's, this
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Speaker 3: was actually mine, which later on we found out was
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Speaker 3: actually false. And they had been accessing my sister's Facebook
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Speaker 3: after she had been reported missing. And to this day
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Speaker 3: they can't find that tablet. Now it's gone her ID,
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Speaker 3: you know, that was recovered but still hasn't been given
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Speaker 3: to family. It still had help for evidence. Couldn't really
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Speaker 3: figure anything out about that, honestly.
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Speaker 1: So are you saying that these items were discovered, taken
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Speaker 1: to law enforcement, and then the tablet was the released
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Speaker 1: to somebody else? So what you're describing these.
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Speaker 3: These items were found by somebody else, obviously, and some
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Speaker 3: of the items were taken to law enforcement and others were.
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Speaker 1: Not oh, I see, Yeah, so someone kept the tablet
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Speaker 1: and then that's how they were able to log in.
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Speaker 1: Shasta talks about she does not how that what that
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Speaker 1: looked like on Facebook, But I don't think that we
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Speaker 1: had clarity because we were asking questions about how did
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Speaker 1: somebody get into her account? But this helps clear that up.
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Speaker 2: That bridges that gap because I was we were trying
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Speaker 2: to figure out like how did they have access things
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Speaker 2: like that, but if they had a tablet that she
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Speaker 2: already had things automatically logging in that owl makes it
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Speaker 2: out that.
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Speaker 1: Maybe was something exactly.
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Speaker 3: And it's crazy because you know, we have notifications on
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Speaker 3: our phone and we get notifications on a daily you know,
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Speaker 3: friends and family. Her daughter, her oldest daughter, is actually sixteen,
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Speaker 3: and at one point she got notifications, Oh Haley is
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Speaker 3: on TikTok, she wants to be your friend, you know,
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Speaker 3: or these random posts being posted on Facebook of you know,
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Speaker 3: my family doesn't know me, this was on purpose or
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Speaker 3: I deserve this, just come ripe me. This person was
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Speaker 3: posting very vulgar things pretending to be her and it
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Speaker 3: you know her her daughter has social media, you know,
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Speaker 3: her family has social media, and just to see those
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Speaker 3: things and not see any action by you know, the
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Speaker 3: Sheriff's department or even any police.
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Speaker 1: It's terrifying trying at least to figure out who's posting
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Speaker 1: that information and then maybe determining if they do have
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Speaker 1: some kind of connection or just happened to be around
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Speaker 1: when this tablet was found and said oh, hey, here's
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Speaker 1: a tablet. I'm going to take it. But then that's malicious,
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Speaker 1: like if you're just going to be ooh, I found
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Speaker 1: a tablet, You're not just going to go and do
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Speaker 1: these horrible things that you're describing. So I think this
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Speaker 1: is something we definitely need to continue to pursue and
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Speaker 1: think about as we sort of investigate this, because that's
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Speaker 1: very strange to me.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, you don't have to use the name, but I'm curious.
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Speaker 2: Did you ever were able to track down who who
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Speaker 2: had the tablet?
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Speaker 3: We have suspicions, but we have not been able to
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Speaker 3: one hundred percent confirm there got it.
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Speaker 1: This is very that's very interesting. We haven't had a
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Speaker 1: situation come up like this where someone else outside of
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Speaker 1: what we believe to be involved, has something that belongs
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Speaker 1: to someone who's missing. I don't think that's come up yet.
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Speaker 1: So this is a new thing for us to kind
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Speaker 1: of think about how to dig into and maybe shed
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Speaker 1: some light on what's going on there. So explain to
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Speaker 1: us what you know about this last verifiable sighting of
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Speaker 1: her in November. Oh goodness.
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Speaker 3: So she went up, you know, mushroom poking with a
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Speaker 3: guy named Nick in a stolen truck that we've actually
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Speaker 3: found out, went out to the woods, went mushroom picking.
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Speaker 3: He came out.
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Speaker 1: She did not.
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Speaker 3: That truck, which I actually found on Facebook and talked
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Speaker 3: to the police officers about, had actually been found wrecked
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Speaker 3: up in the woods, and they returned it to the
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Speaker 3: owner before they realized that this was tied to my
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Speaker 3: sister's case. So that truck is actually, crazy enough up
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Speaker 3: located actually up in my area, which is about I
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Speaker 3: would say two and a half to three hours away
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Speaker 3: north from where that location is, you know. And once
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Speaker 3: I was able to you know, get more details on
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Speaker 3: that truck and get it back to the deputyc they
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Speaker 3: said that they checked it, but there was no evidence
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Speaker 3: that my sister was ever in that truck, although there
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Speaker 3: was sightings of her being in that truck. That was
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Speaker 3: the last place that anyone saw her.
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Speaker 1: Are these eyewitness sightings or are they traffic camera sightings?
20:04
Speaker 3: Mostly eyewitnesses, people that had seen her, people that knew
20:10
Speaker 3: that who.
20:11
Speaker 1: She was with.
20:12
Speaker 3: You know, she got picked up in that specific truck
20:15
Speaker 3: from places.
20:18
Speaker 1: So the suspicion is that Nick had this vehicle for
20:21
Speaker 1: a while, even though it was stolen.
20:23
Speaker 3: Yes, he had it for a little bit of time,
20:26
Speaker 3: even though it was stolen. That was a trend that
20:31
Speaker 3: has come to light, that he would steal vehicles crash them.
20:36
Speaker 3: There was this place that was known up in that
20:39
Speaker 3: area where the truck was found to wreck them and
20:41
Speaker 3: then they would be pushed off into basically off a
20:45
Speaker 3: cliff in that truck was up located near that same area.
20:51
Speaker 1: So this is the equivalent of what happens down here
20:53
Speaker 1: in Florida. People take vehicles, driving them around, junk them up,
20:58
Speaker 1: and then put them in canal and get ponds and
21:03
Speaker 1: rivers and things like that.
21:05
Speaker 2: There's a lot of cliffs to toss them over.
21:07
Speaker 1: Not in Florida, Yeah, there are a lot of sinkholes.
21:12
Speaker 3: Yeah. And up here in Washington, you know, we have
21:14
Speaker 3: a lot of tree land, We have a lot of
21:16
Speaker 3: state land hunting land. Yes, and so to even locate
21:22
Speaker 3: the last exact place my sister could have been is
21:26
Speaker 3: almost impossible, unfortunately. And you know Nick had keys to
21:32
Speaker 3: Warehouser Land, which is you have to have a key
21:34
Speaker 3: to get in. Where he got that key, We have
21:38
Speaker 3: no idea, but that's even a possibility. You know. We've
21:41
Speaker 3: had videos sent to us of him walking.
21:44
Speaker 1: Through land where people.
21:46
Speaker 3: Are like, where are we going, and he's like, you'll
21:48
Speaker 3: just see, You'll just see. And it's like these crazy
21:51
Speaker 3: lakes out in the middle of nowhere where you would
21:53
Speaker 3: have never known that they were there ever, you know.
21:56
Speaker 3: So even seeing those videos, you know, thinking back of
22:00
Speaker 3: let's go mushroom hunting and then her just never coming out,
22:02
Speaker 3: it's like, will we ever? Will we ever get answers
22:05
Speaker 3: to that?
22:06
Speaker 1: At that point? I have one more question about this truck.
22:09
Speaker 1: Do you have like the make the model because we
22:12
Speaker 1: have because we have. Michael has gotten very adept at
22:17
Speaker 1: using satellite software and public websites to capture images of
22:23
Speaker 1: vehicles and timestamp them. And I'm wondering if you have information,
22:28
Speaker 1: like identifiable information about this vehicle and could give us
22:31
Speaker 1: like the approximate geographical area, he could possibly be doing
22:35
Speaker 1: some work and creating a timeline of where this vehicle is.
22:38
Speaker 3: That's correct. So I don't know the exact location that
22:43
Speaker 3: it was found up in the woods, but it was
22:46
Speaker 3: a red lifted Ford. I don't remember them making the model,
22:51
Speaker 3: but I know that I have it in my messages
22:54
Speaker 3: to the Sheriff's office. So once I can locate those,
22:57
Speaker 3: I can definitely let you know.
23:00
Speaker 1: That would be great. And we're talking about like October November,
23:04
Speaker 1: maybe in December of twenty twenty four, that would be perfect.
23:11
Speaker 1: And then what is the town that we like? What
23:14
Speaker 1: is the most well known town that we would kind
23:16
Speaker 1: of start our search from.
23:18
Speaker 3: Probably Rose Valley was last place that she was known
23:21
Speaker 3: to go up to with this guy.
23:25
Speaker 1: Okay, that's extremely helpful. Now we've been to the Pacific Northwest,
23:29
Speaker 1: but we don't know it the way we know Florida
23:31
Speaker 1: the way we know Colorado, like we've been to like
23:34
Speaker 1: the touristy places right at Olympic National Park, Mount Rainier,
23:37
Speaker 1: that kind of stuff. So this is extremely helpful for us.
23:42
Speaker 1: Definitely gives us a place to start and do some
23:45
Speaker 1: more investigation. I have started to sort of think about
23:48
Speaker 1: these cases as puzzles, and it's a weird puzzle. Because
23:51
Speaker 1: you don't know what puzzle you're trying to finish with,
23:54
Speaker 1: because you don't know the outcome, but you know that
23:57
Speaker 1: you have to have certain pieces and put them in
23:59
Speaker 1: certain places. And I think this conversation about the truck
24:02
Speaker 1: is very important and will help us to maybe help
24:06
Speaker 1: build something as well. We should let you know that
24:09
Speaker 1: I will be requesting any and all information from the
24:13
Speaker 1: local law enforcement agency. Sometimes they give us stuff, sometimes
24:17
Speaker 1: they don't, but I am going to be requesting that
24:19
Speaker 1: and I will look specifically for some more information about
24:22
Speaker 1: the truck. You talked about Shasta and the searches talk,
24:27
Speaker 1: and you talked about law enforcement. What did the searching
24:31
Speaker 1: look like from a family perspective and community perspective?
24:35
Speaker 3: Oh lord, So, as you know, I'm a mother. I'm
24:39
Speaker 3: currently expecting, but I have two of my own, well
24:43
Speaker 3: one of my own I'm raising Haley's youngest, and then
24:47
Speaker 3: I also have a step son. So we're pretty busy,
24:51
Speaker 3: you know, appointments and all that stuff. So I've only
24:53
Speaker 3: been able to attend a few searches. But and my
24:56
Speaker 3: mom can share some more about her story. But you know,
25:00
Speaker 3: the first search of my mama Bir went on. She
25:02
Speaker 3: actually fell and broke her leg and her arm. Wow,
25:06
Speaker 3: and the very first, yeah, very first. She actually just
25:09
Speaker 3: got her knee replacement and is still out of work
25:12
Speaker 3: from that fall. So that's been that's been a crazy ride.
25:17
Speaker 3: We have gone out, me and my fiance have gone
25:19
Speaker 3: out with Shasta and I remember going out on this
25:25
Speaker 3: road and just questioning every little person we could see,
25:29
Speaker 3: and you know, we thought what he saw a little
25:31
Speaker 3: bit of hope. At one point, you know, this guy
25:34
Speaker 3: you know, had asked about the flyer and we told him, hey,
25:37
Speaker 3: look this is the last person she, you know, she
25:39
Speaker 3: was seen with. Here's a picture. And he goes, oh
25:42
Speaker 3: my gosh, that looks like the guy down the road.
25:45
Speaker 3: And he said, he owns a little bit of land.
25:48
Speaker 3: He's known to you know, do drugs. He has people
25:50
Speaker 3: on and off of his property all the time. YadA, YadA, yadda.
25:54
Speaker 3: Go to Jim Bob, I don't remember his name at
25:56
Speaker 3: this point, but go to Jim Bob's on the street
25:59
Speaker 3: and he'll tell you all about it. And me and
26:01
Speaker 3: Shasta look at each other and we're just like, no way,
26:04
Speaker 3: no way, this can't be happening. So we go to
26:07
Speaker 3: Jim Bob's house and sure enough he's like, nope, don't
26:11
Speaker 3: know anything, can't help you. So that was a dead end.
26:14
Speaker 3: It was very, very sad.
26:17
Speaker 1: You know.
26:17
Speaker 3: One tip that we got was always to look down
26:19
Speaker 3: embankments and you know, look at any little hole we
26:22
Speaker 3: could find, or trenches or you know anything. And you know,
26:26
Speaker 3: my boyfriend climbed down or my fiance now climbed down
26:31
Speaker 3: a very large and steep embankment because we had noticed
26:36
Speaker 3: a tart, you know, down there over by a tree
26:41
Speaker 3: and Shasta and I just kept looking at it and
26:43
Speaker 3: looking at it, and we're like, that just doesn't look right.
26:46
Speaker 3: It just doesn't look like you know, it's very suspicious.
26:50
Speaker 3: And you know, when you're looking at something for so long,
26:53
Speaker 3: your mind kind of makes you see things, right. That's
26:55
Speaker 3: kind of at the point that we were at is,
26:58
Speaker 3: you know, we've been out there for so long, and
27:01
Speaker 3: we were looking so hard. We had drove so far
27:04
Speaker 3: out in the middle of nowhere, and I mean he
27:07
Speaker 3: ended up going down there and finding some cars that
27:09
Speaker 3: had been down there for years. Nothing crazy, a bunch
27:13
Speaker 3: of popcorns and beers and you know, like I said, cars,
27:17
Speaker 3: the tarp dead end, just a bunch of leaves and
27:20
Speaker 3: trash unfortunately, but the anxiety and all of the mixed
27:26
Speaker 3: emotions going into searches like that, you know, and the
27:30
Speaker 3: ups and downs of have you seen her? Have you not?
27:33
Speaker 3: What can you guys tell us about this area? You know?
27:37
Speaker 3: And that one thing still sticks out to me, that
27:40
Speaker 3: that guy's property. You know, Hey, go talk to this
27:44
Speaker 3: person and he knows exactly what happened. He knows because
27:48
Speaker 3: he's friends with that guy. And then us just immediately
27:52
Speaker 3: getting turned down. I mean, granted this guy was older,
27:55
Speaker 3: probably in his sixties, seventies maybe, but it's still very
28:00
Speaker 3: very concerning that, you know, this guy that we spoke
28:03
Speaker 3: to is like, go talk to that person. He knows him,
28:06
Speaker 3: he knows him for sure, and then getting shut down.
28:10
Speaker 3: Basically the door shuved in our face.
28:13
Speaker 1: Did you report that to law enforcement? We did?
28:16
Speaker 3: Okay, nothing came of it.
28:18
Speaker 1: I'm great, I'm glad that you did. So many times
28:21
Speaker 1: people talk about these kinds of things and then we
28:23
Speaker 1: asked them and they say no, and we're like, oh,
28:26
Speaker 1: you know, any little thing, any tiny little thing. We say.
28:30
Speaker 1: So many times, law enforcement decides what's important and what's not.
28:36
Speaker 1: If if it's something that you know, sparks like this
28:39
Speaker 1: obviously resonated with you, then people should talk about it.
28:42
Speaker 1: And one thing that kind of really stuck with me
28:46
Speaker 1: is you're telling you're talking about you're searching. Is even
28:50
Speaker 1: a couple of weeks ago, we were it's not really
28:52
Speaker 1: a hike. We were taking a walk in a wooded
28:55
Speaker 1: area of Florida, and I said to Michael, I said,
28:57
Speaker 1: you know, these things that we do now in the
28:59
Speaker 1: woods hit differently for us because we have missing two
29:03
Speaker 1: people who are missing, who could be anywhere in these woods,
29:07
Speaker 1: and we're out walking and we know what they were
29:09
Speaker 1: both wearing when they went missing, and specific colors, and
29:12
Speaker 1: so as I'm walking along, I'm looking because it's blue.
29:16
Speaker 1: One of them was wearing a blue shirt. You're not
29:17
Speaker 1: going to necessarily just see that out in the woods
29:19
Speaker 1: here in North Florida. So I'm literally looking for something blue,
29:24
Speaker 1: something I would have never even thought. Whatever happened, you know,
29:28
Speaker 1: is has changed the trajectory of sometimes the things that
29:31
Speaker 1: we do. Even driving down the road, I'm looking on
29:33
Speaker 1: the side, is there a cell phone? Is there something there?
29:35
Speaker 1: So while I don't the people who are missing are
29:39
Speaker 1: not connected to me, and the way you are connected
29:41
Speaker 1: to Haley, we hit it hits the same for us. Yeah,
29:47
Speaker 1: So talk about the impact that her disappearance has. I mean,
29:51
Speaker 1: obviously you are raising one of her children, So just
29:55
Speaker 1: tell us. And it hasn't been it's been we a
29:57
Speaker 1: little over a year. How is this still impact you?
30:01
Speaker 3: Yeah, so I've had her youngest, uh, basically since birth.
30:05
Speaker 3: It's been it's been very tough. You know, we weren't
30:09
Speaker 3: able to get any pictures of her and her daughter,
30:11
Speaker 3: her youngest daughter to share with her, and her youngest
30:16
Speaker 3: daughter is a very medically fragile child. You know. I
30:21
Speaker 3: go to probably ten plus appointments a month for her alone,
30:25
Speaker 3: not including myself, not including my fiance or or step
30:29
Speaker 3: cent or even my own son, but her alone. That
30:33
Speaker 3: has been a huge impact. I do work. I'm fortunate
30:38
Speaker 3: enough to be able to work for a family owned business.
30:41
Speaker 3: I see the owners almost on a daily basis, them
30:44
Speaker 3: just really supporting family. I'm able to take that time
30:47
Speaker 3: away from work to be able to get to these
30:49
Speaker 3: appointments because we could have up to three to four
30:52
Speaker 3: appointments a week, and then you know, you have to
30:55
Speaker 3: keep you know, the state involved, and you know, everybody
30:59
Speaker 3: else but it's been a huge impact because how do
31:02
Speaker 3: you explain to, you know, these three girls, what happened
31:07
Speaker 3: to their mom? Where's their mom? Why did they never
31:10
Speaker 3: know their mom? What happened to their mom? Why don't
31:14
Speaker 3: we know? Why didn't the police do anything. It's very
31:18
Speaker 3: hard to think about, you know what we're going to
31:21
Speaker 3: say when these girls get older.
31:24
Speaker 1: It's very hard. And we are currently covering a case,
31:29
Speaker 1: a missing person's case out of Catskill, New York. It's
31:31
Speaker 1: Audrey Heron and she's been missing since two thousand and two.
31:35
Speaker 1: And at the time when she went missing, she also
31:37
Speaker 1: had three children, and one was ten and the others
31:41
Speaker 1: were littler, so they don't necessarily have recollection. But her
31:46
Speaker 1: oldest daughter, who was ten at the time, did come
31:50
Speaker 1: on and talk with us about the impact losing her
31:53
Speaker 1: mom at ten under the circumstances that you're describing, has
31:58
Speaker 1: had on her. And just you know, the not known
32:00
Speaker 1: and the questioning, and you know, is someone close to
32:02
Speaker 1: the case involved and all of these kinds of things,
32:06
Speaker 1: and so you know, it's a there are some similarities there,
32:09
Speaker 1: and I think Santia is just you know, she is
32:12
Speaker 1: an amazing example of perseverance, agreed right through and she's
32:17
Speaker 1: we spoke with her, she's actually she is pregnant as well,
32:20
Speaker 1: and we were talking about her CrossFit jumping. She's like, oh,
32:23
Speaker 1: I'm still jumping, just not a lot. So you know,
32:27
Speaker 1: it is, I think in the moment, very challenging to
32:31
Speaker 1: think about how that will impact those children. But we
32:34
Speaker 1: can tell you that Sancia is a she's a survivor
32:37
Speaker 1: right and she's I don't know come through it is
32:39
Speaker 1: the right term. But she's done really well for herself
32:43
Speaker 1: and she's great Manafair's advocate for her mom. And I
32:47
Speaker 1: just want to say, as a side note, I we
32:48
Speaker 1: really look forward to hearing more about the nonprofit that
32:53
Speaker 1: you guys are working on and getting our yellow shirts.
32:56
Speaker 1: I know Shasta is working on getting us some of
32:58
Speaker 1: Hayley's yellow shirts and she's going to send those out
33:02
Speaker 1: to us so we can start spreading the word on
33:04
Speaker 1: the opposite side of the country.
33:07
Speaker 3: Yes. Yes, so it's still at the very beginning stages
33:11
Speaker 3: obviously of this non profit, but it is going to
33:14
Speaker 3: be an organization for people that are struggling with you know,
33:19
Speaker 3: mental health and substance abuse to be able to get
33:23
Speaker 3: the resources that they really need in an outreach. You know,
33:27
Speaker 3: it has a lot of bearing with us. You know,
33:31
Speaker 3: my mom is a recovering addict. She's been cleaned for
33:33
Speaker 3: over twenty years. Shasta is also a recovering addict. She
33:38
Speaker 3: has been clean for several years. One of Amanda, she'll
33:42
Speaker 3: be on one of the episodes. She's also a recovering addict.
33:46
Speaker 3: Best friends with my sister, you know, my stepfather, you
33:49
Speaker 3: know my sister. So this has a huge impact on
33:52
Speaker 3: me just being the advocate. You know, I never went
33:55
Speaker 3: down that path. I saw it and I kind of
33:58
Speaker 3: chose a different path from me, myself and a family.
34:01
Speaker 3: But you know, the bugs legacy is Haley's legacy. It
34:06
Speaker 3: is something that will forever be with us. You know,
34:09
Speaker 3: we used to call her my mom, used to call
34:12
Speaker 3: her little bug that actually got passed on to her
34:15
Speaker 3: oldest daughter, and now we call her a little bug.
34:19
Speaker 3: She's obviously she's sixteen now, so we don't really get
34:21
Speaker 3: the chance she probably yes, But yeah, it's mostly just
34:27
Speaker 3: for an outreach and resources for those that are really
34:29
Speaker 3: struggling and really want to, you know, help themselves. We
34:32
Speaker 3: don't have enough of that, you know, we have a
34:34
Speaker 3: lot more substance abuse in Washington than we do resources,
34:38
Speaker 3: and it's really unfortunate.
34:41
Speaker 1: Is there anything that you wanted to share about Haley
34:43
Speaker 1: or about this case that we did not give you
34:45
Speaker 1: an opportunity to share?
34:48
Speaker 3: No, you know, Haley, Haley was a great person overall.
34:51
Speaker 3: Like I said, she she struggled from a young age
34:54
Speaker 3: from you know, substance abuse and mental health, but that
34:57
Speaker 3: doesn't define who she is. She is a loving person
35:00
Speaker 3: and she's kind, she's spunky, she's outgoing. She was definitely
35:04
Speaker 3: a trouble maker, that's for sure, but she always had
35:08
Speaker 3: made sure that everyone was okay and always had everybody
35:11
Speaker 3: else's back. You know, whenever somebody was in trouble or
35:16
Speaker 3: you know, felt threatened in any way, Hailey was there.
35:19
Speaker 3: She had your back no matter who you were. You know,
35:21
Speaker 3: Hailey was a great person. She was a great mom
35:24
Speaker 3: when you know, when she was able to. But yeah,
35:29
Speaker 3: I just I just hope that one day closures brought
35:33
Speaker 3: to us and especially to her daughters.
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