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Pastors' Perspective-10/29/26 · Pastors Perspective

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  Speaker 1: Hello. Welcome to Pastor's Perspective. I'm your host, Brian Perez,
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  Speaker 1: anything that's on your mind. If you've got questions about
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  Speaker 1: any of those books on Phil Metzger's shelf, I'm sure
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  Speaker 1: Or, yeah, DMing us on the pastor's perspective Instagram or
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  Speaker 1: Phil Metzger from Calvary San Diego is here joining us
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  Speaker 1: on the show, as well as Brian Broderson. How are
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  Speaker 1: you guys doing?
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  Speaker 1: Well,
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  Speaker 1: I, I want to speak for Phil. Phil is doing
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  Speaker 1: extremely well. He is, he just looks so pastoral today.
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  Speaker 1: He's just, you know, bright faced and he's nicely shaved
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  Speaker 1: and his hair looks good and he's got a collared
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  Speaker 1: shirt on, which I am so impressed by all these things.
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  Speaker 1: And as you can probably tell, I have not followed
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  Speaker 1: Phil's example today. Um.
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  Speaker 1: I'm still wearing my pajamas actually. Well, not this is
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  Speaker 1: what a Sunday pastor looks like and Brian's what a
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  Speaker 1: Monday pastor looks like. Brian is what a, uh, packing boxes, uh,
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  Speaker 1: remodeling your house, uh, looks like, yeah, so.
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  Speaker 1: Well, I'm glad you took time away from that to
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  Speaker 1: come in here to the studio today. We so appreciate it. Yeah, I,
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  Speaker 1: but I was wondering about that book on Phil's shelf, um,
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  Speaker 1: when I met the Nephilim, I wondered, uh, is that
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  Speaker 1: he wrote that. That's what I thought. That's my new
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  Speaker 1: book that's coming out in, uh, yeah, it's coming out soon. I,
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  Speaker 1: I was hoping to get a foreword by you, but
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  Speaker 1: I guess, you know, I don't know.
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  Speaker 1: Well, I know a few people that could give you
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  Speaker 1: one actually. I know some that would want to give
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  Speaker 1: you one.
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  Speaker 1: All right, Phone lines are open at 888-564-6173 if you
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  Speaker 1: want to talk about the Nephilim or anything else, uh,
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  Speaker 1: preferably not the Nephilim, but, uh, I think we've exhausted
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  Speaker 1: that topic. I don't know if there's, if there's anything
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  Speaker 1: new we could say about it, but you could call in.
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  Speaker 1: The Nephilim are making a comeback. I mean, it's, are they, yeah, they're,
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  Speaker 1: they're big, big news these days. A lot of people
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  Speaker 1: talking about the Nephilim, uh, yeah, of course, online, where
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  Speaker 1: all the wacky stuff gets posted, right.
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  Speaker 1: Where the Nephilim hang out. Yes, yes.
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  Speaker 1: Let's go to the phones right away and uh maybe
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  Speaker 1: we'll read some of these questions later that were submitted online.
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  Speaker 1: Phone number again, 888-564-6173. And here's Mary in Chino Hills,
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  Speaker 1: who's listening on the KWave app. Thank you, Mary, for
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  Speaker 1: downloading the app and thanks for calling in today.
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  Speaker 1: Good afternoon. I would like to have, I'm working on
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  Speaker 1: my Women's weekly Bible study, and I'm going over 2
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  Speaker 1: Corinthians 11:23-27 where it goes into detail of the persecution, um,
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  Speaker 1: that Paul went through. And I was just wanting to
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  Speaker 1: get some commentary of the, uh, 40 lashes minus 1.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a reference to the times that he was
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  Speaker 1: um beaten.
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  Speaker 1: And it was beaten at the um.
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  Speaker 1: The command of of some magistrate. So, um, the 40
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  Speaker 1: lashes minus 1 was, that was the number of lashes,
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  Speaker 1: and they, they were 40, but then they would stop
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  Speaker 1: at 39 as sort of a show of, of mercy. Uh,
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  Speaker 1: so he's just commenting on the fact that he had, um,
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  Speaker 1: what does he say, 5 times that he received 40 stripes,
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  Speaker 1: or is it, yeah, I think it's, yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, so that's what that's what he's referring to there.
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  Speaker 1: OK, I was just wondering if there was a significance
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  Speaker 1: for the actual phrase of 40 minus 1 opposed to
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  Speaker 1: just saying 39 lashes. I was just curious if that
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  Speaker 1: had any significance. Yeah, I think if you read the
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  Speaker 1: new translation, it would probably say 39. It does.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, so it's just a, I look at every, I'm sorry,
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  Speaker 1: I look everything up in the New King James Version,
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  Speaker 1: but that gives me a good reference to look at
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  Speaker 1: a different, yeah, yeah, and the, and the, um.
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  Speaker 1: The new, the New Living Translation is a good, it's
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  Speaker 1: good to read alongside of the New King James, uh,
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  Speaker 1: because it will, it'll just kind of update some of
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  Speaker 1: those types of things.
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  Speaker 1: OK, great. Thank you very much. You're welcome.
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  Speaker 1: God bless you. Bye bye. You too. Thanks, Mary. Thanks
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  Speaker 1: for calling in today. So yeah, instead of 40 lashes,
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  Speaker 1: we stopped at 39. How nice. I mean, right, that's mercy. Yeah, yeah, and,
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  Speaker 1: and I think the indicator too is that um those
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  Speaker 1: were administered by the Jewish authorities because it was only
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  Speaker 1: the Jewish authorities that had the, you know, the display,
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  Speaker 1: the great display of mercy to give you one less
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  Speaker 1: than 40.
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  Speaker 1: Fill in a commentary on that from you. Well, does
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  Speaker 1: it wait, um, I'm looking because in the new Living
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  Speaker 1: it actually says the Jewish leaders. Oh, does it really? Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: And so now I'm flipping over to my new king Jimmy,
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  Speaker 1: and yeah, from the Jews, 500 from the Jews, OK, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
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  Speaker 1: So good, good catch on that. That's important, yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Thank you Mary for your phone call at 888-564-6173. Now
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  Speaker 1: let's read at least one question that was submitted online.
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  Speaker 1: This one is from Sarah, who, uh, reached out to
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  Speaker 1: us on Instagram. She DM'ed us and wrote, I'm grateful
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  Speaker 1: for the biblical insights and perspectives of the pastors and
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  Speaker 1: for Brian's eloquent, warm, and gracious hosting. I think she's
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  Speaker 1: talking about you. Remember, remember the other day when you
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  Speaker 1: were hosting for 90 seconds, 30 seconds? Oh, of course
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  Speaker 1: it was me, to be, I mean.
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  Speaker 1: It's obvious. It's obvious in the countless hours and hours
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  Speaker 1: of Brian Perez's hosting, she was certainly referencing that she
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  Speaker 1: was deeply moved by, yes, I was too, so yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I'm with her. I got it because you were very eloquent, warm,
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  Speaker 1: and gracious. Oh, I must remember that very much so, yes. OK,
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  Speaker 1: so Sarah says, my question is, um, my understanding is
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  Speaker 1: that God.
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  Speaker 1: Father and God the Son are distinct persons, yet both
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  Speaker 1: are fully God. Before Jesus was born as a human
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  Speaker 1: being on earth, did he already exist eternally as God
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  Speaker 1: the Son? If so, how should we understand his relationship
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  Speaker 1: with God the Father before the incarnation? Were they always
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  Speaker 1: distinct persons, and how can we understand this while still
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  Speaker 1: believing there is only one God? Phil Metzger, what do
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  Speaker 1: you say to Sarah?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, well, Sarah, you know, you're, you're, you're.
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  Speaker 1: This is a topic that obviously has been
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  Speaker 1: You know, it's one that, I mean, we're, we've been
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  Speaker 1: discussing for thousands of years is that trying to understand
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  Speaker 1: like how do you, how do you express and, you know,
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  Speaker 1: we've got analogies of the Trinity and like, and things
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  Speaker 1: like that and really what it comes down to is we,
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  Speaker 1: we take the scriptures for, I mean, the, the Bible
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  Speaker 1: gives us this, this clarity of Trinity, but in terms
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  Speaker 1: of like how can you perfectly understand it, that'll be
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  Speaker 1: for you and me in heaven one day. But yes,
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  Speaker 1: Three persons, one God, unique, but also one God. And
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  Speaker 1: so we see from the very beginning in Genesis, we
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  Speaker 1: see God, and even just the very term that is
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  Speaker 1: used for God is God's Elohim, but it is one God.
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  Speaker 1: Let us make man in our image, so God speaking
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  Speaker 1: to Himself, the three persons speaking to each other throughout, um,
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  Speaker 1: you know, I think it's in John 17 that it
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  Speaker 1: says that there was
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  Speaker 1: Uh, Jesus said of the Father, you loved me before
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  Speaker 1: the foundation of the world. In other words, there's been
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  Speaker 1: unity and harmony and love among the, the triune God
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  Speaker 1: since before Jesus was incarnated as, as a person.
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  Speaker 1: So, God the Son and God the Father and God
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  Speaker 1: the Spirit in eternal love, relationship, one God, three persons,
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  Speaker 1: is it confusing? Absolutely. From the, from our kind of
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  Speaker 1: like temporal perspective, it's like, how, how can that be? What, how,
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  Speaker 1: how is that possible? But of course we're talking about
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  Speaker 1: God and so, uh, what becomes possible is possible because
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  Speaker 1: he made it possible and so we accept it by faith.
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  Speaker 1: And we accept the word of God by faith, and
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  Speaker 1: we accept the, because the Bible tells us of the
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  Speaker 1: triune God, we accept that by faith.
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  Speaker 1: Pastor Bryant. Mhm.
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  Speaker 1: Um,
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I don't, I don't know that there's
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  Speaker 1: really anything that I would add. I mean there, there
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  Speaker 1: has been a historic debate regarding the eternal sonship, uh,
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  Speaker 1: so not, not regarding the eternal nature of Jesus because
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  Speaker 1: of course we of course know that he, uh, you know,
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  Speaker 1: has been God always from eternity. But the the question
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  Speaker 1: has been, would the sun apply to him before the incarnation?
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  Speaker 1: And, um, or in in some cases before the resurrection
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  Speaker 1: because uh when Peter is referencing um.
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  Speaker 1: The the passage that says, uh, you are my son today.
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  Speaker 1: I have begotten you, he, he puts it in the
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  Speaker 1: context of the resurrection. And so again, there, you know,
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  Speaker 1: there has been some historic debate about not whether Christ
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  Speaker 1: is eternal and distinct from the Father, but whether we
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  Speaker 1: should see him as eternally the Son. And um, so,
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  Speaker 1: you know, some people have landed on one side of
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  Speaker 1: that and others have landed.
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  Speaker 1: On a different side of that, and um I think
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  Speaker 1: that the
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  Speaker 1: The
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  Speaker 1: And, and I, I've, I've thought about it, and I,
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  Speaker 1: I do think that the uh
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  Speaker 1: To refer to the eternal sun, I think is, I
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  Speaker 1: think it is actually the the proper way to understand.
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  Speaker 1: That Jesus has been the son in in the sense of,
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  Speaker 1: you know, you know, this, this idea of begotten to
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  Speaker 1: the Father again, these are, these are complicated things in
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  Speaker 1: the sense that, um, you know, to be begotten means
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  Speaker 1: to proceed from, you know, to be born from and so, um,
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  Speaker 1: you know, we know that, you know, Jesus.
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  Speaker 1: Is the brightness of God's glory and the express image
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  Speaker 1: of His person or the exact representation of His person.
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  Speaker 1: So I, I think it's
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  Speaker 1: I think it's proper to refer to the eternal Son
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  Speaker 1: of God.
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  Speaker 1: Hope that helps you, Sarah. Thank you so much for
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  Speaker 1: DMing us on the Pastor's Perspective Instagram. 888-564-6173 is the
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  Speaker 1: number to call us today with your questions. Phil, do
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  Speaker 1: you ever feel like, um,
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  Speaker 1: Gosh, I need to do like a whole deep dive
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  Speaker 1: into the Trinity again, you know, people, people ask you
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  Speaker 1: questions about it and you're like, you know, I haven't
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  Speaker 1: really thought about that topic specifically, and you know, you
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  Speaker 1: get a little bit rusty in the sense of like
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  Speaker 1: all of the, the technicalities and the different perspectives and
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  Speaker 1: arguments and things. So, um, I came across a book
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  Speaker 1: in my library the other day just because I've been
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  Speaker 1: cleaning it out.
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  Speaker 1: And it was a, a study I had on the
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  Speaker 1: Trinity that I, I forgot that I even had that
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  Speaker 1: particular book and I thought, I should probably read this, just,
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  Speaker 1: you know, just to brush up my
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  Speaker 1: To stay sharp on the, on the topic. I feel
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  Speaker 1: like I can answer a question on the Nephilim easier
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  Speaker 1: than the Trinity. And I mean, you know, we get
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  Speaker 1: used to hearing certain questions, right? And then when somebody says, hey,
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  Speaker 1: can you explain, you know, I remember just like to
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  Speaker 1: the point that you're making there, Brian, when I first
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  Speaker 1: moved to Russia back in 1992.
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  Speaker 1: And I remember like thinking I got to be prepared,
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  Speaker 1: you know, I got to be ready to share my
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  Speaker 1: faith and all that. And then people are like, who
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  Speaker 1: is God? It's like, what do you mean? Who is God?
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  Speaker 1: Like I wasn't thinking that, that, you know, like, it's
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  Speaker 1: like you go back to like such a, a basic,
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  Speaker 1: but yet like, oh my gosh, that's really hard to explain.
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  Speaker 1: That's great. All right, here's Gary in Moreno Valley who
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  Speaker 1: listens to us on K-wave. Thank you, Gary, for calling 888-564-6173.
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  Speaker 1: What's your question for Brian and Phil?
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  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, hey, Miranda Phil. My question is, uh, when
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  Speaker 2: Jesus healed people,
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  Speaker 1: he would tell them not to tell anybody about it.
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  Speaker 1: What's the reason behind that?
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  Speaker 1: What do you think, Brian?
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  Speaker 1: Well, I think we're told in the scriptures themselves that
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  Speaker 1: um Jesus was wanting to prevent um
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  Speaker 1: An effort on the part of the people to take
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  Speaker 1: him and to make him a king by force. John's
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  Speaker 1: Gospel actually tells us that when it, uh, I think
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  Speaker 1: it's in the 6th chapter where it's dealing with Jesus,
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  Speaker 1: you know, having multiplied, uh, the, the loaves and the
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  Speaker 1: fishes and um.
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  Speaker 1: So the people, you know, seeing those miracles, they, they
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  Speaker 1: were inclined to take him and, you know, to kind
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  Speaker 1: of force him to um
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  Speaker 1: Publicly
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  Speaker 1: Take his position as king. And so I think that
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  Speaker 1: all of the different times, which are just a 22
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  Speaker 1: or 3, where he tells people not to, not to
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  Speaker 1: spread it, um, I think that's the purpose.
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  Speaker 1: For preventing a premature, um, you know, there, there's God
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  Speaker 1: has an appointed time where Jesus is going to be
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  Speaker 1: announced to the nation as the Messiah. And so this
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  Speaker 1: is like.
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  Speaker 1: To prevent that from happening prematurely, so, yeah, that's, that,
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  Speaker 1: that is it, and that, and that has like, I
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  Speaker 1: mean that is the core of it. On top of that,
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  Speaker 1: we could say like there's all these like little side
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  Speaker 1: branches that come out from that, the idea that Jesus
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  Speaker 1: wanted people to understand way more than just miracles, right?
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  Speaker 1: So miracles weren't gonna be the, the epitome or the
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  Speaker 1: like the foundation of his ministry wasn't a miracle, and
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  Speaker 1: people like, like Brian said though, the very core of
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  Speaker 1: that is, is at that level. The other thing I
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  Speaker 1: was thinking about too is like.
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  Speaker 1: Um, he didn't want people to misunderstand his mission. His
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  Speaker 1: mission wasn't just to do miracles, and that's the John
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  Speaker 1: 6 passage you were talking about, um, but that he
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  Speaker 1: came to die and that he came to pay for
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  Speaker 1: the sins of the world. So, he definitely, he didn't
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  Speaker 1: want to have any mission confusion there. He wanted it
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  Speaker 1: to be really clear, so nobody was gonna mess with
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  Speaker 1: the timing that the father had established. It's great. Does
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  Speaker 1: this help you, Gary?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I appreciate it. Thank you very much. All right,
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  Speaker 1: thanks for calling 888-564. What was that?
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  Speaker 1: Have a good day. Oh yes, thank you. You too.
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  Speaker 1: 888-564-6173 is the number to call us today here on
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  Speaker 1: I do wanna say something. Um, I can't remember exactly
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  Speaker 1: who it was, um, but somebody was telling me the
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  Speaker 1: other day just how much.
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  Speaker 1: They appreciate Brian Perez hosting this program.
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  Speaker 1: It was my mom. What a great job. It was
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  Speaker 1: your mom. You know what? That's, I forgot I ran
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  Speaker 1: into her at, uh, Target.
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  Speaker 1: She was buying you, she's buying you a, a new suit. Yes, yes,
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  Speaker 1: probably a razor not wearing, by the way, he's not
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  Speaker 1: wearing today, so not at all, uh, it wasn't your mom,
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  Speaker 1: I can assure you of that. But it was, it
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  Speaker 1: was a person who, I mean, I thought they were
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  Speaker 1: talking about me at first because they were just going
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  Speaker 1: on about Brian just gushing like how amazing he is,
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  Speaker 1: and I was like, of course. And then Brian's used
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  Speaker 1: to people talking to him, yeah, of course. And then
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  Speaker 1: they dropped the Brian Perez thing, and I was like, Oh,
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  Speaker 1: are you talking about him.
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  Speaker 1: I am joking about everything except somebody's really complimenting you and, uh,
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  Speaker 1: I had to agree. I said, Brian is a phenomenal
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  Speaker 1: host and you know, you weren't always the host of
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  Speaker 1: this program. That you're gonna say you weren't always phenomenal,
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  Speaker 1: which I wasn't. No, but you weren't always the host.
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  Speaker 1: And I think the program went up to another level
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  Speaker 1: when you stepped into
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  Speaker 1: When you sat in that seat is what the way
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  Speaker 1: I'm gonna phrase it. Thank you. It's been nine years now.
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  Speaker 1: Can you believe that? Are you kidding me? 2017. That
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  Speaker 1: is August 2017. I still remember that. I would, I,
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  Speaker 1: I would not have guessed that. I mean that, that
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  Speaker 1: Chuck and I sitting in the
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  Speaker 1: Where were we? We were somewhere in this building.
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  Speaker 1: before the studio was here, I think we were, uh,
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  Speaker 1: we just had a little makeshift, um, pastor's perspective thing
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  Speaker 1: had the studio moved here yet? I can't remember. No,
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  Speaker 1: we definitely were not in the studio. We were in
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  Speaker 1: just a, a room. Well, remember this studio used to
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  Speaker 1: be half the size that it was, so from there
• 18:23
  Speaker 1: to there.
• 18:24
  Speaker 1: There was a wall. There was a studio here. That
• 18:26
  Speaker 1: studio was my office, and it was also where I
• 18:28
  Speaker 1: did the news in the morning. And then on the
• 18:31
  Speaker 1: other side of that was the studio where it was
• 18:34
  Speaker 1: a long table with 4 seats, and we didn't have
• 18:38
  Speaker 1: all this room. I us. This was probably 2001 or 2002. OK,
• 18:43
  Speaker 1: so that was before I got here. Were we here then?
• 18:46
  Speaker 1: That was around the time we got here, OK, yeah,
• 18:48
  Speaker 1: but anyway, I, I saw this picture, you know, we're
• 18:50
  Speaker 1: both wearing Hawaiian shirts and we both are looking really,
• 18:54
  Speaker 1: you know, like we just stepped off the Newport Beach.
• 18:57
  Speaker 1: I was gonna say off a surfboard, yeah, yeah, but
• 19:00
  Speaker 1: it was, it was cool. Just like, oh wow, yeah,
• 19:02
  Speaker 1: I for I forgot about, you know, those moments. My,
• 19:05
  Speaker 1: my son called me today, uh, Char, and it was
• 19:08
  Speaker 1: just so.
• 19:09
  Speaker 1: He did an interview today. There's a guy that's writing
• 19:12
  Speaker 1: a book on, um, the history of Calvary and so forth, and, and, uh,
• 19:16
  Speaker 1: he was telling me, he said, you know, Dad, it
• 19:18
  Speaker 1: was just so great to talk to this guy about
• 19:23
  Speaker 1: my grandpa.
• 19:24
  Speaker 1: And not talk to him about Pastor Chuck or the
• 19:28
  Speaker 1: movement or any of that stuff, but just to be
• 19:31
  Speaker 1: able to tell him this is who he was to me,
• 19:34
  Speaker 1: you know, as my grandpa and I, he, he was, yeah,
• 19:37
  Speaker 1: he was, he was really, he said it was really, uh,
• 19:39
  Speaker 1: a joyful experience to just reminisce over, you know, just
• 19:45
  Speaker 1: the relationship that he had with his grandpa.
• 19:49
  Speaker 1: How neat. 888-564-6173. Uh, here's another question that was submitted online.
• 19:55
  Speaker 1: This one is from Carol, somewhat of a follow-up question, uh,
• 19:59
  Speaker 1: regarding Tuesday's show, uh, this past Tuesday, the 27th of October,
• 20:05
  Speaker 1: Pastor Phil said context is king, or maybe he said
• 20:08
  Speaker 1: context is key, one of those. But either way, he
• 20:11
  Speaker 1: is very right. A church that I went to put
• 20:14
  Speaker 1: Luke 6:38.
• 20:16
  Speaker 1: On their tithe and offering envelopes, and it made me
• 20:19
  Speaker 1: want to get up and shout, this verse has nothing
• 20:21
  Speaker 1: to do with money.
• 20:22
  Speaker 1: But I was afraid of being escorted off the premises.
• 20:25
  Speaker 1: If leaders would read Luke 6:27-42, they would have to
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: stop manipulating and getting people's hopes up. Jesus is not
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: talking about giving money in that verse. Other places, yes,
• 20:37
  Speaker 1: but not Luke 6:38. The context is about giving forgiveness
• 20:41
  Speaker 1: and mercy and judging rightly. Would you pastors agree with
• 20:45
  Speaker 1: this or not? Luke 6:38.
• 20:49
  Speaker 1: Well, Luke 6:38, of course, I mean, that's just, you know,
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: I
• 20:54
  Speaker 1: Wake up in the morning quoting Luke 16 rolls off
• 20:56
  Speaker 1: the tongue, doesn't it? It just rolls right off there. Is,
• 20:59
  Speaker 1: is this the, um, it will be given to you
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  Speaker 1: good measure pressed down running over, OK, uh.
• 21:08
  Speaker 1: You know, so I, I mean, you know, it's, of course,
• 21:12
  Speaker 1: people think these guys are answering the Bible question. So they,
• 21:15
  Speaker 1: but the fact that you just did that right now,
• 21:17
  Speaker 1: it did just kind of roll off your tongue. He
• 21:19
  Speaker 1: did just do that. Yes, yes. Well, you know, I
• 21:22
  Speaker 1: had to think like, OK, what, what passages are they
• 21:25
  Speaker 1: talking about? But anyway, uh, yes, I think to limit that,
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: you know, to, to limit that to just giving financially
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: would be a mistake. I think the context makes it much,
• 21:36
  Speaker 1: much broader than that.
• 21:38
  Speaker 1: So, and Phil's right, context is king or key or
• 21:42
  Speaker 1: either one.
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: It's both, it's both. Yeah, that context definitely, I mean
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: that you have to really twist that passage and you know,
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: completely orphan it from the rest of the chapter to
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: be able to make that message tithing and you'll receive
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: it right back, and uh yeah, that's the, that's where
• 22:03
  Speaker 1: context is king and it, it's definitely, contextually, it has
• 22:07
  Speaker 1: nothing to do with tithing in that way.
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: Is it wrong to use that entire thing? I don't
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: think it's wrong, but to make the takeaway, you're gonna
• 22:16
  Speaker 1: get back financially what you gave financially. That's a massive,
• 22:21
  Speaker 1: massive breach of, of the context.
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: Carol, thanks so much for sending in your question through
• 22:27
  Speaker 1: the pastor's perspective page at kwave.com. But I must say,
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: Pastor Brian, even though you were joking about, you know,
• 22:33
  Speaker 1: I don't wake up every morning, the fact that you were, OK,
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: Book of Luke chapter 6, verse 30, like in your
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: mind you could kind of pinpoint, oh yes, it's the
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: verse about this, right? How does, how do you do that?
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: How does that happen? Just years of reading. I mean, it's,
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: you know, 50 years of reading my Bible. That's what
• 22:52
  Speaker 1: it is. And, and of course, you know.
• 22:55
  Speaker 1: The older you get, as you guys will figure out
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: as you go, uh, the memory isn't as sharp as
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: it once was, so you're like, oh wait, where, um,
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: but yeah, thankfully, you know, I, I can still have
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: pretty good recall. No, I thought that was amazing. I
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: wasn't trying to say.
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: You couldn't quote the verse. I mean, I was saying you,
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: you did quote it. You, you knew exactly what it
• 23:19
  Speaker 1: was impressive. You're correct. I, I was impressive, especially when
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: he went on, Oh, I don't wake up and remember
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: the verse, but you're talking about the one that says,
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: and then he quoted it. That was, uh, that was
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: a Chuckism right there. Chuck would go up to our
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: youth camps, you know, when I was a kid and like.
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: I remember one dude getting so mad because Chuck Smith
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: went up there and didn't have a Bible, but he
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: literally verbatim quoted like the entire story of Daniel. Like,
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: we walked through, it felt like 3 chapters of Daniel
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: and somebody was like, he didn't have a Bible. It's like, bro.
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: He is the Bible. He just quoted. He's he's a
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: walking Bible, you know, that where I remember that. I
• 23:56
  Speaker 1: mean that happened lots of times like, like you're saying, Phil,
• 23:59
  Speaker 1: but I remember so vividly being, being in Israel and
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: being at the Sea of Galilee and just, you know, on,
• 24:07
  Speaker 1: on one of the hillsides, you know, with a group
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: of people.
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: And he basically just stood up and he taught the
• 24:14
  Speaker 1: whole Sermon on the Mount without ever opening the Bible.
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: And it was one of the best, um, expositions of
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: the Sermon on the Mount. I remember sitting there just
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: thinking this is absolutely phenomenal. He just goes right through
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: each of the beatitudes and then from there he just
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: keeps going and.
• 24:31
  Speaker 1: It's like, wow, amazing. So, but he didn't have his Bible. Well,
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: he did have his Bible. He just never opened it. Yeah,
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: it was, he put it in his heart, but I'll,
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: I'll tell you a funny Israel story with Chuck was, um,
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: like I think it was the last trip that I
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: went with him and I was leading worship. He had
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: me there to lead worship with him, so I'm, you know,
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: around him a lot, and I'd literally pull out my
• 24:51
  Speaker 1: guitar and get ready with songs to do, and then
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: he would lean over and say,
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: And this was, you know, later on, he's like, hey,
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: can you play this song? And he would pick some
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: like random hymn that we didn't even sing it. I mean,
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: I've never heard, and then, and he would do like
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: 3 or 4 different times, he would like, hey, can
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: you play this I'm like, no, I don't know that song.
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: He was so mad, he wasn't really mad, but he
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: was so perturbed at how limited my worship skills were
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: to not knowing how to play, you know, anything other
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: than kumbaya.
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: Yeah, 4 square songs that they used to sing in
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  Speaker 1: the 1950s.
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: Right, exactly. He had a memory, that's for sure. But then,
• 25:32
  Speaker 1: so the point that we were making, Brian Broderson, is
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: that you're there. You have arrived, you did it. You
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: just did that right in front of us. It was
• 25:39
  Speaker 1: pretty impressive.
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: OK, thank you guys. Now we want you to quote
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: the Sermon on the Mount. OK, here we go. We'll
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: follow along as you.
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: Jesse in Santa Ana listening on K-wave. Thank you for
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: calling 888-564-6173. What did you want to know?
• 25:56
  Speaker 2: Um, I have a question. It's, it's kind of, uh,
• 25:59
  Speaker 2: I was reading the book of Job and I've read
• 26:01
  Speaker 2: it many times, but this time I really, really trying
• 26:04
  Speaker 2: to do a study on it. And I noticed, uh,
• 26:07
  Speaker 2: his friends or so-called friends, his three buddies come in
• 26:10
  Speaker 2: and they have their little talks and going back and forth,
• 26:13
  Speaker 2: back and forth. And then Job has the final word
• 26:16
  Speaker 2: of what he's gonna say and he said, I'm done speaking.
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  Speaker 2: Right after that, then this other young kid, I think
• 26:21
  Speaker 2: his name was Elihu.
• 26:23
  Speaker 2: Comes in and says, well, I'm younger than you. I
• 26:25
  Speaker 2: may not have as much knowledge as you, but let
• 26:28
  Speaker 2: me say my piece. He said all his words, and
• 26:30
  Speaker 2: then God intervened and said, Job, where were you when
• 26:34
  Speaker 2: I created the play, you know, all the different things.
• 26:37
  Speaker 2: And then at the end, he said, Job, I want
• 26:39
  Speaker 2: you to pray for your 3 friends.
• 26:41
  Speaker 2: Um, and which he did, but he never mentions Elihu,
• 26:44
  Speaker 2: and Ellie who kind of appeared out of nowhere, and
• 26:47
  Speaker 2: I don't remember God asking him to pray for him,
• 26:49
  Speaker 2: and that was just my question, like, you guys have many, many,
• 26:52
  Speaker 2: any more insight on that?
• 26:56
  Speaker 1: He wasn't his friend.
• 26:59
  Speaker 1: You could tell by the things he said to him. Yeah, well,
• 27:03
  Speaker 1: he comes into the picture and you know, he's arrogant
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: and he's kind of like a young know it all,
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: you know, he says, I don't know as much as
• 27:10
  Speaker 1: you guys, but then he basically goes on to say,
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: you guys are stupid. I know everything and you should
• 27:15
  Speaker 1: listen to me.
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: And then when God appears to Job, he says, Who's
• 27:18
  Speaker 1: this that darkens counsel with words without knowledge? I think
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: he's referring to Elihu. Oh, not all, not all four
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: of them. Yeah, not all four of them. Yeah. So he,
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: so he kind of just dismisses him. And of course
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: the three friends are the ones that are with Job
• 27:31
  Speaker 1: throughout the duration. And so I think that's the reason why, um,
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: it's the 3 that are to be prayed for. Phil, yeah,
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: I agree. I think it, uh, I hadn't thought of
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: that first part. I love that. I think deadly accurate.
• 27:44
  Speaker 1: But I think that the, you know, again, if you
• 27:46
  Speaker 1: read the book of Job, the focus is on the
• 27:48
  Speaker 1: three friends. They're the ones that are just always there.
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: And so for God to then say, hey, let me
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: talk about your three friends, that doesn't have to mean
• 27:57
  Speaker 1: that nobody else is included, it's just they were the focus.
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  Speaker 2: Hm,
• 28:00
  Speaker 1: what do you think, Jesse?
• 28:01
  Speaker 2: I think it's great. Yeah, I just, I never thought
• 28:03
  Speaker 2: about it. He was specifically speaking to him alone cause
• 28:06
  Speaker 2: I was just kind of curious cause, you know, always
• 28:09
  Speaker 2: pray for everybody. Jesus says always, so I kinda like,
• 28:12
  Speaker 2: why didn't he pray for him? That kind of just
• 28:14
  Speaker 2: threw me off a
• 28:14
  Speaker 2: little bit.
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: All right, great. Thanks for calling. Um, so Cheryl, Cheryl's
• 28:20
  Speaker 1: actually been reading Job the past.
• 28:23
  Speaker 1: Week or whatever and so we've been having little uh
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: fun Job conversations, but she, she, you know, sometimes my wife,
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: she just gets the most amazing insights. I'm like how
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: did you, um, you know, how did you get that? But,
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: but she was saying about the friends of Job and
• 28:39
  Speaker 1: I thought, you know, it was a good perspective. She said,
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: you know, they, they weren't bad guys, they really were
• 28:43
  Speaker 1: trying to help Job. They just didn't know what they
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: were talking about and they couldn't imagine, they just couldn't
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: imagine that you.
• 28:52
  Speaker 1: You know, that your life being in such a mess
• 28:58
  Speaker 1: couldn't be connected to somehow you, you must have sinned. Job,
• 29:01
  Speaker 1: you just have to think harder about it. You have
• 29:04
  Speaker 1: to go deeper, you have to be more honest.
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: So you know she saw them as, you know, they were,
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: they were sincere but they were just completely wrong and
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: so I like that. Yeah, I, I, I actually really
• 29:15
  Speaker 1: like that. I thought that was good too and then
• 29:17
  Speaker 1: she had another cool insight that I'll tell you about
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: when we come back. Oh, a cliffhanger, a cliffhanger. We
• 29:22
  Speaker 1: love those.
• 29:23
  Speaker 1: 888-564-6173 is our number. Jesse, thank you for your phone call,
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: and we are gonna take a quick break and then
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: we'll be back with more of your questions. What do
• 29:32
  Speaker 1: you want to ask Pastors Brian Broderson and Phil Metzger?
• 29:36
  Speaker 1: Now's your chance. You've got like 30 minutes left. 888-564-6173. 888-564-6173.
• 30:19
  Speaker 1: We are back on Pastor's Perspective. 888-564-6173 is the number
• 30:25
  Speaker 1: to call. Pastors Brian Broderson and Phil Metzger here answering
• 30:29
  Speaker 1: your questions. Again, the number 888-564-6173. And this from our
• 30:34
  Speaker 1: unofficial historian Deloit. K Wave moved here into this building
• 30:38
  Speaker 1: in March of 2002.
• 30:41
  Speaker 1: 2002, 2002, which means next year will be the 25
• 30:44
  Speaker 1: year anniversary of us being in this building. We've been
• 30:48
  Speaker 1: on the air for 41 years, but in this building,
• 30:51
  Speaker 1: time for a party. That makes sense because like I said, I,
• 30:53
  Speaker 1: I think it was about 2001, 2002 that that picture
• 30:57
  Speaker 1: of us, yeah.
• 30:59
  Speaker 1: Fun stuff, right? All right, let's go back to the phones. 888-564-6173.
• 31:05
  Speaker 1: Gonna talk to Brenda. Whoops, Brenda. Hi, Brenda, what's your
• 31:10
  Speaker 1: question for us today?
• 31:13
  Speaker 1: Hi. Thank you for this ministry. Um, I'm studying 1
• 31:17
  Speaker 1: Samuel 16. I just wanted clarification on verse 14. Now,
• 31:24
  Speaker 1: the spirit of the Lord had departed from Saul and
• 31:27
  Speaker 1: an evil spirit from the Lord tormented him.
• 31:32
  Speaker 1: Is this because it's like a vacuum and the spirit, uh,
• 31:36
  Speaker 1: Holy Spirit left Saul and inner David, or is God
• 31:41
  Speaker 1: directing evil spirits?
• 31:44
  Speaker 1: Hm, what do you think, Phil?
• 31:45
  Speaker 1: I think this should speak more to like God allowed
• 31:48
  Speaker 1: rather than God like forced, but God allowed a a
• 31:52
  Speaker 1: a tormenting spirit. And so, yeah, does that make sense?
• 31:55
  Speaker 1: Like it's not a um it's not God's spirit, but
• 31:58
  Speaker 1: a demonic, a demonic thing and God allowed that to happen.
• 32:04
  Speaker 1: Brenda, OK, yeah, so, and it, it sounds like from
• 32:10
  Speaker 1: below the evil spirit would leave him when David was
• 32:13
  Speaker 1: playing the harp and then apparently would come back and
• 32:16
  Speaker 1: then they would call for David again.
• 32:20
  Speaker 1: But it's
• 32:21
  Speaker 1: Alright, just allowed.
• 32:25
  Speaker 1: What do you think, Brian? Yeah, I think, you know,
• 32:27
  Speaker 1: I mean, it says specifically that the spirit of the
• 32:30
  Speaker 1: Lord departed from Saul and then an evil spirit, and
• 32:34
  Speaker 1: I think it's almost like the um.
• 32:38
  Speaker 1: You know, the protection of the of the spirit of
• 32:41
  Speaker 1: God is removed from Saul. And so now Saul is, um,
• 32:46
  Speaker 1: you know, he's subject to these, um, demonic, uh, spirits
• 32:51
  Speaker 1: harassing him, which of course he's given himself over to
• 32:55
  Speaker 1: because when Samuel rebuke rebukes Saul, uh, he tells him that, uh,
• 33:03
  Speaker 1: his disobedience.
• 33:05
  Speaker 1: is equivalent to witchcraft, he says uh for.
• 33:11
  Speaker 1: Um, rebellion is, what, what, what are the words, but
• 33:17
  Speaker 1: something as iniquity and a rebellion is as witchcraft. So
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: he's giving himself over to the demonic by, by rebelling
• 33:26
  Speaker 1: against God's word. And so now this is just kind
• 33:28
  Speaker 1: of like the natural consequence of doing that.
• 33:33
  Speaker 1: Does this help you, Brenda?
• 33:35
  Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, thank you. Awesome. Thanks for calling us
• 33:38
  Speaker 1: today at 888-564-6173. Let's
• 33:43
  Speaker 1: Dive a little deeper with that. So what does that
• 33:45
  Speaker 1: say about maybe the power of music, or is this
• 33:49
  Speaker 1: something that was just for that time, or, you know,
• 33:51
  Speaker 1: when you feel tormented or something, uh, will turning on
• 33:56
  Speaker 1: K-wave weekend praise all of a sudden alleviate your, your torment, or,
• 34:02
  Speaker 1: or does it, is it only certain types of music
• 34:05
  Speaker 1: that might do it, if at all? What do you
• 34:08
  Speaker 1: guys think, Phil?
• 34:10
  Speaker 1: I, I think, um, I think it, you're, you're talking
• 34:12
  Speaker 1: in varying degrees of, I, I don't wanna use the
• 34:15
  Speaker 1: word torment, but since that's the word used there, tormenting spirit,
• 34:18
  Speaker 1: you know, for some people like, and we all know
• 34:21
  Speaker 1: this to be true, like, if you're just having like
• 34:24
  Speaker 1: seasonal depression, then like music, of course, can be really uplifting.
• 34:28
  Speaker 1: Right, or for other people, like certain songs in kind
• 34:31
  Speaker 1: of invoke like a evoke like a torment as well,
• 34:34
  Speaker 1: you know, right? Like, oh my gosh, I broke up
• 34:35
  Speaker 1: to my, my girlfriend dumped me and that was the
• 34:37
  Speaker 1: song that was playing or whatever. So there's like a, a,
• 34:40
  Speaker 1: a lower level of like emotional, spiritual kind of emotional.
• 34:45
  Speaker 1: torment that we all feel that like I think music
• 34:46
  Speaker 1: does have a, an up and down. I would, I
• 34:49
  Speaker 1: would say at the very top of that, what we're
• 34:51
  Speaker 1: talking about with Saul and with David is not necessarily,
• 34:55
  Speaker 1: at least this is my opinion, it's not necessarily the
• 34:57
  Speaker 1: music itself, but that the spirit was in that.
• 35:02
  Speaker 1: As David is worshiping, as David is, is singing to
• 35:05
  Speaker 1: the Lord, there's like the spirit was in it, and that,
• 35:08
  Speaker 1: that is what Saul was missing in his life, was
• 35:11
  Speaker 1: the presence of God to bring peace. He had rejected
• 35:14
  Speaker 1: the Lord and was constantly being tormented. So I, I
• 35:17
  Speaker 1: would say it at that level. Though I do shout out,
• 35:20
  Speaker 1: I think good worship can always change our emotional state,
• 35:24
  Speaker 1: but in terms of like spiritual torment, I would say,
• 35:27
  Speaker 1: you know, that's the presence of God in music.
• 35:31
  Speaker 1: That's not, that's a great answer. That's a great insight
• 35:34
  Speaker 1: to that, that last part, that the part that you
• 35:36
  Speaker 1: had before, um, of the fact that the spirit is
• 35:41
  Speaker 1: with David and so David's presence in the spirit through David,
• 35:45
  Speaker 1: that's what's having the, the calming effect on Saul. I
• 35:48
  Speaker 1: think that's really good. That's a great insight.
• 35:51
  Speaker 1: Well, because you, you think later when like when, when
• 35:54
  Speaker 1: Saul's chasing David and like David like would go in
• 35:56
  Speaker 1: and grab the staff and grab a part of the robe,
• 35:59
  Speaker 1: it was like the only time that Saul seemed reasonable
• 36:01
  Speaker 1: all of a sudden. Oh my, oh my son, he
• 36:04
  Speaker 1: seemed like it was like the calming presence of God
• 36:07
  Speaker 1: in the life of David, and it was no music
• 36:09
  Speaker 1: at that time, so no.
• 36:12
  Speaker 1: All right. Another call now, this one from Ron and
• 36:15
  Speaker 1: Tribuco Canyon, watching us on YouTube. Hey there, Ron, welcome
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  Speaker 1: to Pastor's Perspective.
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  Speaker 2: Hello pastors, thank you for taking my call. Um, I
• 36:25
  Speaker 2: had a question. I just wanted your thoughts on it. Um,
• 36:29
  Speaker 2: I was reading through Revelation lately, and I, you know,
• 36:32
  Speaker 2: I've read it many times over the years, and I've
• 36:34
  Speaker 2: always kind of assumed that when Babylon falls, that it
• 36:39
  Speaker 2: was God who judged it and destroyed it.
• 36:43
  Speaker 2: Uh, and primarily because in 188, uh, it sort of
• 36:48
  Speaker 2: says for these reasons, the plagues will come, pestilence, morning famine,
• 36:51
  Speaker 2: she'll be burned with fire, for the Lord God who
• 36:53
  Speaker 2: judges her is strong.
• 36:55
  Speaker 2: But I happened to notice a couple weeks ago when
• 36:58
  Speaker 2: I was reading through it in 17.
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  Speaker 2: It says that at the end of 17, um,
• 37:07
  Speaker 2: In verse 17, chapter 17, and the end of verse 16,
• 37:13
  Speaker 2: the beast, uh, and the 10 the beast and the
• 37:16
  Speaker 2: 10 horns will hate the harlot and make her desolate, naked,
• 37:21
  Speaker 2: eat her flesh and burn her with fire, for the
• 37:22
  Speaker 2: Lord God has, uh, put it in their hearts to
• 37:26
  Speaker 2: execute his purpose. So is God using the beast to
• 37:30
  Speaker 2: judge Babylon? I kind of thought the beast was the
• 37:34
  Speaker 2: creator of Babylon, but
• 37:37
  Speaker 2: Maybe you could help me understand.
• 37:39
  Speaker 1: Brian, um, yeah, those are great questions, Ron, and this,
• 37:44
  Speaker 1: this is one of the more difficult passages of scripture to,
• 37:51
  Speaker 1: to really untangle and um.
• 37:56
  Speaker 1: I, I, I think here.
• 37:59
  Speaker 1: You do have, it seems like 17 and 18, you
• 38:03
  Speaker 1: have different facets of Babylon, where 18 is clearly the
• 38:08
  Speaker 1: um
• 38:10
  Speaker 1: Uh, like, like the economic and, um, you know, all
• 38:15
  Speaker 1: of the, it's all, it's all about the trade and
• 38:18
  Speaker 1: everything that's going to be destroyed. And, and, um, you know, the, the,
• 38:22
  Speaker 1: the part of it that is what you just might
• 38:25
  Speaker 1: say the secular aspect of it. But then it seems
• 38:29
  Speaker 1: like 17 is addressing more like the spiritual nature of it.
• 38:35
  Speaker 1: So it's a two-sided thing. It's a
• 38:38
  Speaker 1: Um, there's a spiritual element to it. This is where
• 38:41
  Speaker 1: some people in the, in the past would see something
• 38:45
  Speaker 1: like um.
• 38:47
  Speaker 1: You know, in the end, people used to make reference to,
• 38:51
  Speaker 1: you know, thinking, thinking it was Rome, thinking that the, the,
• 38:55
  Speaker 1: the whore herself would be like, um, the church, the,
• 39:01
  Speaker 1: the apostate Church. And so it's the apostate Church that
• 39:05
  Speaker 1: is actually the one that's coming under the judgment, um,
• 39:09
  Speaker 1: by God, but through these, um, through these kings that
• 39:12
  Speaker 1: take over the
• 39:14
  Speaker 1: You know, just the more um secular aspect of everything. So, it's,
• 39:20
  Speaker 1: it's kind of like at this point, um,
• 39:23
  Speaker 1: Let's just say for argument's sake. So let's just say
• 39:25
  Speaker 1: there is an apostate church that plays a big role
• 39:27
  Speaker 1: in this. There's a certain point where that's just eliminated.
• 39:30
  Speaker 1: And now it's just pure, because you know, the kingdom
• 39:34
  Speaker 1: of the antichrist is going to come down to the
• 39:37
  Speaker 1: worship of the beast himself. So there's not going to
• 39:40
  Speaker 1: be any allowance for the worship of anything else. And
• 39:43
  Speaker 1: so it could be that this is what's being referred
• 39:46
  Speaker 1: to there. And as I said, could be, because it's,
• 39:50
  Speaker 1: it's very difficult to say, you know, with any certainty exactly,
• 39:54
  Speaker 1: you know, what is happening there.
• 39:56
  Speaker 1: Does this help you, Ron?
• 39:59
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean it,
• 40:00
  Speaker 2: it sort of almost made me think that the Babylon
• 40:05
  Speaker 2: represents the false church, false religion. God has the beast
• 40:09
  Speaker 2: destroy that to worship him, and then at the end
• 40:14
  Speaker 2: of 18, God destroys him. So it's like all sort
• 40:17
  Speaker 2: of cascades to a final end, but
• 40:19
  Speaker 1: that's just
• 40:20
  Speaker 1: my.
• 40:21
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and it's, you know, another difficulty is that you have, um, in,
• 40:27
  Speaker 1: in Revelation, even, you know, back in 13, you, you
• 40:30
  Speaker 1: do have like parts where is it the kind of
• 40:36
  Speaker 1: like the kingdom.
• 40:38
  Speaker 1: So let's just say you have a revived, let's just
• 40:40
  Speaker 1: say for argument's sake, you have a revived Roman Empire.
• 40:44
  Speaker 1: Is so when the beast is being referred to, is
• 40:47
  Speaker 1: it the empire or is it the, the emperor? So,
• 40:51
  Speaker 1: and I think sometimes there's a, there's a, there's a
• 40:54
  Speaker 1: blending between the two. And it's hard to distinguish between
• 40:57
  Speaker 1: is this the individual leader, or is this the empire
• 41:01
  Speaker 1: that is revived. So.
• 41:07
  Speaker 1: Ron, thank you for calling us today here on Pastor's Perspective. OK,
• 41:10
  Speaker 1: remember I told you about, yeah, I just wrote it
• 41:13
  Speaker 1: down because I remembered that we were supposed to come
• 41:14
  Speaker 1: back from the break. OK, and it's not that big
• 41:18
  Speaker 1: of a deal, but, um, you know, in the, in
• 41:21
  Speaker 1: the Job story, I have read, strangely enough, that Elihu
• 41:28
  Speaker 1: is supposed to be a type of Christ.
• 41:31
  Speaker 1: And you know, some commentators have said that. And then
• 41:35
  Speaker 1: when you read it, you're like,
• 41:37
  Speaker 1: What? Yeah, I mean.
• 41:40
  Speaker 1: How, how could they get that? So, uh, so just
• 41:42
  Speaker 1: in our conversations, Cheryl and I, she said, and do
• 41:45
  Speaker 1: you know that some people try to say that Eli, Eli,
• 41:48
  Speaker 1: who is a type of Christ, that is the most
• 41:49
  Speaker 1: ridiculous thing in the world. And I thought, you know what?
• 41:52
  Speaker 1: You're right, honey, that is a ridiculous.
• 41:56
  Speaker 1: Perspective, but you know, it's funny what you'll read in
• 41:59
  Speaker 1: Bible commentary sometimes that people thought you're like, wait, how
• 42:03
  Speaker 1: did you think that?
• 42:05
  Speaker 1: Now everybody tonight is gonna go read Job chapters 332
• 42:09
  Speaker 1: through 37 to see how in the world, I mean, how,
• 42:13
  Speaker 1: why do people think that though? I, it could be
• 42:15
  Speaker 1: some commentators said it one time and then somebody else
• 42:18
  Speaker 1: thought it sounded possible. What examples or do you know
• 42:22
  Speaker 1: any of that? What, well, it's a.
• 42:23
  Speaker 1: You know, supposedly here, you know, these guys are all
• 42:26
  Speaker 1: exhausted with none of the right answers, and now this
• 42:29
  Speaker 1: person comes on and he claims to be, you know,
• 42:32
  Speaker 1: full of wisdom, and I'm gonna sort it all out
• 42:35
  Speaker 1: for you. So I, I don't know. I mean, it's
• 42:37
  Speaker 1: like the, the, you know, the publisher should have read
• 42:40
  Speaker 1: that paragraph in that commentary and said, uh, let's leave
• 42:43
  Speaker 1: this out. Let's leave that, yeah, yeah.
• 42:47
  Speaker 1: So, good idea. All right, uh, Christian and Pomona listening
• 42:51
  Speaker 1: on K Wave. Hello. What's your question for pastors Brian
• 42:54
  Speaker 1: and Phil Metzko today?
• 42:57
  Speaker 2: Good evening, pastors. Um, a while ago, you folks were
• 43:00
  Speaker 2: talking about, um, Luke 6:38.
• 43:04
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, that was, uh, earlier in the program.
• 43:06
  Speaker 2: Yeah, used to justify tithing. Well, how do we compare
• 43:11
  Speaker 2: that against Malachi 3:10, which encourages giving for the apparent
• 43:19
  Speaker 2: purpose of being blessed in manifold blessings. Um, how do
• 43:25
  Speaker 2: we reconcile those two scriptures to avoid any contradiction?
• 43:30
  Speaker 1: OK, Phil, what say you?
• 43:32
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I, I would say it's a great question, thanks,
• 43:34
  Speaker 1: and thank you for asking it. It's, it's, it's good
• 43:36
  Speaker 1: to see that. So in Malachi, I would say the
• 43:38
  Speaker 1: difference between Luke 6, at least the way that people have,
• 43:41
  Speaker 1: when they try to take that out of context, which again,
• 43:43
  Speaker 1: if you keep it in the context, you won't have
• 43:45
  Speaker 1: to worry about that. If you take it out of context,
• 43:47
  Speaker 1: what you're doing is you're trying to make it a
• 43:49
  Speaker 1: reciprocal relationship. I give $10 I get $10 or I
• 43:55
  Speaker 1: get that back, where Malachi,
• 43:58
  Speaker 1: is very explicit in the idea that like, as you give,
• 44:01
  Speaker 1: God is gonna bless you.
• 44:03
  Speaker 1: It isn't a reciprocated, like a a direct reciprocation where
• 44:08
  Speaker 1: I gave shekels, I get back shekels, I gave dollars,
• 44:11
  Speaker 1: I get back dollars. It means as I give of
• 44:14
  Speaker 1: what God's given to me, he is going to be
• 44:16
  Speaker 1: blessing my life, and that is a promise, that is
• 44:19
  Speaker 1: a guarantee. God will never be outgiven by us. He
• 44:23
  Speaker 1: will bless us, but when we, when we make that.
• 44:26
  Speaker 1: Out of context in Luke 6, it's as if I
• 44:29
  Speaker 1: gave money and I'm, I'm gonna, it's better than the
• 44:31
  Speaker 1: stock market. I'm gonna get that same thing back and
• 44:33
  Speaker 1: that's unbiblical. But it's, but it's even, you know, it's
• 44:37
  Speaker 1: not even exactly that, Phil, because especially in the prosperity world,
• 44:41
  Speaker 1: it's give 10, get 1000. Right? Exactly. That's the big draw,
• 44:48
  Speaker 1: you know, exactly.
• 44:50
  Speaker 1: We all agree you give, you give 10, God's going
• 44:53
  Speaker 1: to bless your life, but it may not come back
• 44:56
  Speaker 1: in the, in the, um, it might not be a Benjamin,
• 44:58
  Speaker 1: you know, or, or anything like that, you know.
• 45:02
  Speaker 1: Does this help you, Christian?
• 45:04
  Speaker 2: It does. You know, I was just guessing, but you
• 45:07
  Speaker 2: guys nailed it exactly where I had it. So thank you.
• 45:11
  Speaker 2: And one more thing, um, I wanna thank Michael David
• 45:14
  Speaker 2: because I was saying, um, Luke 8:38, and he knew
• 45:18
  Speaker 2: that it was 6:38. So,
• 45:20
  Speaker 1: uh, that Michael David Bible scholar there. Yeah, you gotta watch.
• 45:24
  Speaker 1: That's why we have him around. That's right, can keep
• 45:26
  Speaker 1: us all.
• 45:27
  Speaker 1: We gotta have a, a, a match between you and
• 45:30
  Speaker 1: you and Mike to see who can find the addresses quicker. Uh, well,
• 45:36
  Speaker 1: I know the
• 45:37
  Speaker 1: General
• 45:39
  Speaker 2: location.
• 45:40
  Speaker 1: But I've kind of lost the address thing. That's how
• 45:44
  Speaker 1: it goes. The address goes. I know the street.
• 45:50
  Speaker 1: Somewhere over here in this vicinity.
• 45:53
  Speaker 1: I like that. That's a good, that's a good description.
• 45:56
  Speaker 1: Scott in Menefee watching us on YouTube. Hi Scott, waving
• 46:00
  Speaker 1: at you there. Uh, thanks
• 46:01
  Speaker 2: for
• 46:01
  Speaker 1: calling
• 46:01
  Speaker 2: 888-564-6173.
• 46:04
  Speaker 1: What did you want to ask today?
• 46:06
  Speaker 2: Hey, how are you doing guys? I really appreciate your ministry.
• 46:09
  Speaker 2: I've been listening.
• 46:11
  Speaker 2: I, I told, uh, Michael David probably 30 or 40 years.
• 46:15
  Speaker 1: Oh my goodness, whoa, that is
• 46:17
  Speaker 2: great. Hannagraph was honored. remember Hank Hanagraph, was that him?
• 46:22
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Hank, before, yeah, Hank was around, yeah, and that's how,
• 46:25
  Speaker 2: how far back it, how far back it goes. Anyhow,
• 46:28
  Speaker 2: my question is, uh, I listen to a couple of
• 46:31
  Speaker 2: Catholic channels just because I kind of, when I'm listening
• 46:33
  Speaker 2: to the radio as I'm driving, I think, well,
• 46:36
  Speaker 2: You know, it's better to listen to that if I
• 46:37
  Speaker 2: can't get anything else, uh, you know, and some of them,
• 46:41
  Speaker 2: some of the shows are pretty good, but I, what
• 46:43
  Speaker 2: my question was about, and this came up on one
• 46:46
  Speaker 2: of the shows, my question was one of about the
• 46:50
  Speaker 2: perpetual virginity of, uh, of Mary.
• 46:54
  Speaker 2: And what came to mind are the scriptures I think
• 46:57
  Speaker 2: that they, they, uh, put out there was, and let
• 47:01
  Speaker 2: me see if I.
• 47:03
  Speaker 2: Just lost my page here. Oh boy. Anyhow, talks about
• 47:08
  Speaker 2: how when Jesus was uh uh uh uh on the
• 47:12
  Speaker 2: cross and he looked to his mother.
• 47:15
  Speaker 2: And he looked to John.
• 47:17
  Speaker 2: The beloved, and he said to his mother, to John,
• 47:22
  Speaker 2: this is your mother, and to Mary, this is your son.
• 47:26
  Speaker 2: And what they were discussing, they were saying that in that,
• 47:30
  Speaker 2: that society back then, or, you know, the custom wouldn't
• 47:34
  Speaker 2: be to give your mother a way to live with
• 47:37
  Speaker 2: somebody that's not part of your family.
• 47:41
  Speaker 2: And I'm thinking, well, did he do that because there
• 47:46
  Speaker 2: wasn't anybody else but him.
• 47:48
  Speaker 2: You know, he was the only son, meaning Jesus.
• 47:52
  Speaker 2: Hm.
• 47:54
  Speaker 2: Does that make sense?
• 47:55
  Speaker 1: Yes, that doesn't make sense. And um I read that
• 47:59
  Speaker 1: passage this morning actually. The the um.
• 48:05
  Speaker 1: You know, I think, I think what's happening there is
• 48:07
  Speaker 1: that
• 48:09
  Speaker 1: At this stage, you have to remember that the brothers
• 48:12
  Speaker 1: of Jesus are not believers at this stage. Um, and so,
• 48:17
  Speaker 1: of course, John is, and there's there's speculation that John
• 48:21
  Speaker 1: and Jesus were cousins. We don't know that that is
• 48:25
  Speaker 1: actually the case, but you know, there are those who
• 48:28
  Speaker 1: think that um there's the reference to Mary's sister and
• 48:32
  Speaker 1: um there are those who think that the sister of
• 48:34
  Speaker 1: Mary was the mother of James and John. Um, whether
• 48:37
  Speaker 1: or not that's
• 48:38
  Speaker 1: True, we, we can't prove that one way or the other, but, um,
• 48:42
  Speaker 1: we know that, you know, Jesus, of course, had a
• 48:45
  Speaker 1: special relationship with John that is hinted at throughout the
• 48:49
  Speaker 1: Gospel of John, and then I think it's simply the
• 48:53
  Speaker 1: the responsibility of the family was upon the firstborn son.
• 49:00
  Speaker 1: So now Jesus is departing.
• 49:04
  Speaker 1: And he's passing on that responsibility to John because like
• 49:08
  Speaker 1: I said, at the present moment there are no, it's
• 49:11
  Speaker 1: not that he doesn't have brothers because we know he
• 49:14
  Speaker 1: does have brothers from other passages. The Catholic Church would
• 49:17
  Speaker 1: say that, oh well, those references to brothers are not,
• 49:20
  Speaker 1: they're not actual brothers, they're more like cousins. Well, no,
• 49:24
  Speaker 1: I mean there is a word for cousin in Greek
• 49:26
  Speaker 1: and the the word that's used there is not a
• 49:28
  Speaker 1: word for cousin, it's a word for brother. So, um,
• 49:33
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that's what's going on there.
• 49:36
  Speaker 1: Does that help you, Scott? Yeah,
• 49:39
  Speaker 2: yeah, I was just looking also at, uh, uh, Matthew
• 49:43
  Speaker 2: 13:55 where it says, isn't this the carpenter's son? Isn't
• 49:49
  Speaker 2: his mother's name Mary and aren't his brothers James, Joseph, Simon,
• 49:54
  Speaker 2: and Judas? Right, exactly.
• 49:56
  Speaker 2: That, yeah, I, so that's kind of a good
• 50:00
  Speaker 1: too, yeah, and the James, the James and the Judas
• 50:02
  Speaker 1: there are the authors of the epistle of James and
• 50:06
  Speaker 1: the letter of Jude.
• 50:08
  Speaker 1: So then the perpetual virginity of Mary, which is taught
• 50:12
  Speaker 1: by the Roman Catholic Church, yeah, well, this is, I
• 50:16
  Speaker 1: think it's, this is part of the Roman Catholic mythology,
• 50:19
  Speaker 1: you know, that there's the, the, the idea that somehow,
• 50:23
  Speaker 1: so the, the, the immaculate conception is the idea that
• 50:26
  Speaker 1: Mary was also born sinless and because she had to
• 50:30
  Speaker 1: be born sinless in order to have a sinless son
• 50:34
  Speaker 1: and then, um, that.
• 50:38
  Speaker 1: You know, then the.
• 50:40
  Speaker 1: The incarnation, the virgin birth, somehow, um, you know, she
• 50:45
  Speaker 1: remains a virgin because she doesn't.
• 50:49
  Speaker 1: Have any other children, um, but she does have a husband,
• 50:53
  Speaker 1: you know Joseph is her husband and Matthew specifically tells
• 50:57
  Speaker 1: us that they did not have a sexual relationship until.
• 51:01
  Speaker 1: The birth of Jesus and a till means yes there
• 51:05
  Speaker 1: was a till there or whatever. Phil, any thoughts?
• 51:09
  Speaker 1: I know, I think every bit of that was great,
• 51:11
  Speaker 1: good answers. I love that. I just taught that passage
• 51:14
  Speaker 1: in John too. It's so powerful. Yeah, yeah, I was
• 51:17
  Speaker 1: reading this today. I just thought, wow, you know.
• 51:20
  Speaker 1: Melinda and Murrieta, you are up next on Pastor's Perspective. Hi.
• 51:26
  Speaker 2: Hi, how are
• 51:26
  Speaker 1: you? Doing well, thanks. What did you want to know?
• 51:30
  Speaker 2: Um, I just have a question. I know that, um,
• 51:31
  Speaker 2: in the Bible, it says that yes, God gives, um,
• 51:34
  Speaker 2: spiritual insight and wisdom to, um, those who seek it,
• 51:37
  Speaker 2: but I have had this like, I, it's kind of
• 51:41
  Speaker 2: scary to see on, um, national, like radio, but, uh,
• 51:44
  Speaker 2: like 1/6 sense of like a scene is like spice of, um,
• 51:48
  Speaker 2: like death.
• 51:49
  Speaker 2: And whenever I see it, usually somebody dies within that
• 51:52
  Speaker 2: person dies within like a couple of months. I don't
• 51:54
  Speaker 2: know if it's because I'm close to them, but do
• 51:56
  Speaker 2: you think that is like of God, or do you
• 51:59
  Speaker 2: think that is of the devil?
• 52:01
  Speaker 1: Phil Metzger, what do you think?
• 52:04
  Speaker 1: Well, um, I don't think those are our only two choices.
• 52:06
  Speaker 1: That's where I would start. I don't think the two
• 52:09
  Speaker 1: choices are, it's either God or the devil, not to,
• 52:11
  Speaker 1: you know, kind of minimize your experiences, but you also
• 52:14
  Speaker 1: got to account for how the brain can play some
• 52:17
  Speaker 1: pretty wonky tricks on us, like, you know, the idea
• 52:21
  Speaker 1: of deja vu, for instance, is the concept of, I
• 52:24
  Speaker 1: have a short-term memory that, that, that my brain wires
• 52:27
  Speaker 1: into my long-term memory bank, so it makes me feel
• 52:30
  Speaker 1: like I've known that forever.
• 52:32
  Speaker 1: And so, you know, when, when we say, oh, I
• 52:34
  Speaker 1: have 1/6 sense of something, you might be having this
• 52:37
  Speaker 1: long-term brain wiring that made you feel like I've had
• 52:41
  Speaker 1: this thought about that, but it only happened after that
• 52:43
  Speaker 1: person died, but then your brain is telling you it
• 52:46
  Speaker 1: happened months before. I'm not trying to say that that's
• 52:48
  Speaker 1: what you've done. I'm just simply saying there's probably more
• 52:51
  Speaker 1: than those two options. Obviously, the easy answer would be, um,
• 52:55
  Speaker 1: if it happened, then it could be from God. If
• 52:57
  Speaker 1: it didn't happen, then it's definitely not from God, cause
• 53:00
  Speaker 1: God ain't gonna lie about anything.
• 53:02
  Speaker 1: And what good did that accomplish? Is there a, is
• 53:04
  Speaker 1: there a spiritual value to that? God's not giving a
• 53:07
  Speaker 1: sense for things that doesn't have value. So if it
• 53:10
  Speaker 1: has eternal value, maybe it, it turned you to go
• 53:13
  Speaker 1: share Christ with that person or whatnot, then, then I
• 53:15
  Speaker 1: would say that could be from the Lord. If it's
• 53:17
  Speaker 1: purely informational, I think the devil loves information, um, God
• 53:22
  Speaker 1: loves restoration. So I, I, I think those two things
• 53:24
  Speaker 1: are very different. 90 seconds, Brian. Oh, go ahead, Melinda.
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  Speaker 2: I'm sorry.
• 53:30
  Speaker 2: Sorry, I cut you off too. Um, no, I, that's
• 53:33
  Speaker 2: a different perspective. I've never looked at it cause, you know,
• 53:35
  Speaker 2: I used to write letters and like my uncle passed
• 53:37
  Speaker 2: away and then I would write a letter before he
• 53:39
  Speaker 2: even passed away and it would tell my dad that, hey,
• 53:42
  Speaker 2: like when he was alive, like, you know, I saw
• 53:44
  Speaker 2: Uncle Delbert die and maybe my sister's listening right now too,
• 53:47
  Speaker 2: but um, uh, yeah, but then he would pass away.
• 53:51
  Speaker 2: And then my sister, same thing with my sister, and
• 53:53
  Speaker 2: I don't think it was um maybe because of.
• 53:58
  Speaker 2: Uh, like, yeah, just for information, but maybe, yeah, maybe
• 54:01
  Speaker 2: it was because those families needed to say like, you know,
• 54:04
  Speaker 2: goodbye and lead them to Christ because my family's always been,
• 54:07
  Speaker 2: you know, believers in the Lord Jesus Christ as our
• 54:09
  Speaker 2: savior ever since we were children, so I think that, um, yeah,
• 54:13
  Speaker 2: maybe it was a different perspective I've never saw like
• 54:15
  Speaker 2: when I was younger, so, but thank you so much
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  Speaker 2: for that information.
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  Speaker 1: One minute, Brian. That's great. No, I would just say, I, I,
• 54:22
  Speaker 1: I would just say it's not the devil. So, because
• 54:25
  Speaker 1: the devil doesn't know when people are gonna die. He's
• 54:27
  Speaker 1: not in charge. God is in charge. So, so we're
• 54:31
  Speaker 1: gonna eliminate the devil. And then I think, I think
• 54:34
  Speaker 1: that was a good, good insight, Phil, with the, when
• 54:37
  Speaker 1: you said deja vu, I thought, I haven't had a
• 54:39
  Speaker 1: deja vu for a while, but it's like.
• 54:41
  Speaker 1: Yeah, when you have those, they are so weird. I mean,
• 54:44
  Speaker 1: you're just like, wait, I've, I've I've done this before.
• 54:47
  Speaker 1: I've been, you know, you're just in this moment where
• 54:51
  Speaker 1: you're like, I already lived this moment, but you didn't
• 54:54
  Speaker 1: live this moment. I'm having deja vu right now that
• 54:56
  Speaker 1: I've been in a room with you and with Phil
• 54:59
  Speaker 1: Metzger on the screen. Oh wait, I have. Yesterday, no, Tuesday, yes, but.
• 55:04
  Speaker 1: Yes, but that is crazy how the, the mind works,
• 55:08
  Speaker 1: the brain works, and crazy stuff that, yeah, yeah.
• 55:12
  Speaker 1: That is all the time we have on today's episode
• 55:14
  Speaker 1: of Pastor's Perspective. Melinda, thank you for calling in today
• 55:18
  Speaker 1: and uh yeah, we're gonna archive this one like we
• 55:21
  Speaker 1: archive all of them on Facebook, YouTube, and snow. Facebook, YouTube,
• 55:25
  Speaker 1: Apple Podcasts, and Spotify. I get confused with all those
• 55:29
  Speaker 1: different platforms and uh we will be here live again
• 55:32
  Speaker 1: tomorrow from 3 to 4 p.m. Pacific time. Thank you,
• 55:35
  Speaker 1: Phil Metzger. Thank you, Brian Broderson, and uh God bless
• 55:38
  Speaker 1: you all. Thanks for watching and listening to Pastor's Perspective.