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Inventing Anna - Love It or Hate It? · Obnoxiously Pleasant

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SPEAKER_01: I'm Hanan.
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SPEAKER_01: I'm Lena.
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SPEAKER_01: And welcome back, everyone, to Obnoxiously Pleasant.
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SPEAKER_01: Today we're going to be talking about inventing Anna, the same thing that everybody else in America is talking about right now, right?
0:15
SPEAKER_00: Yes, yes.
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SPEAKER_00: What did you think?
0:17
SPEAKER_00: First, first, like just immediate reaction.
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SPEAKER_00: Did you love it or hate it?
0:21
SPEAKER_01: No, I really liked it.
0:22
SPEAKER_01: I really liked it.
0:23
SPEAKER_01: I I know it's really polarizing.
0:25
SPEAKER_01: People either love it or they hate it.
0:26
SPEAKER_01: I really liked it.
0:28
SPEAKER_00: I don't know.
0:28
SPEAKER_00: I think some of the characters just drove me insane.
0:30
SPEAKER_00: Like some of the characters, I just like, how are you real?
0:33
SPEAKER_00: Like this can't be, I mean, obviously it's not.
0:35
SPEAKER_00: It's not 100% real.
0:36
SPEAKER_00: Like, you know, they they make it clear in every episode that, you know, some of this is real and the other parts aren't.
0:42
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it's like they have that we whatever that weird statement is that it's like a disclaimer.
0:46
SPEAKER_01: The disclaimer that they put up, but I actually really like that disclaimer.
0:49
SPEAKER_01: And I really like that they have it in the most like um unassuming ways.
0:53
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, they were very creative about it.
0:54
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
0:54
SPEAKER_01: I mean, it's shown that.
0:55
SPEAKER_01: Let's be real.
0:56
SPEAKER_00: It's yeah, I mean, I like her, I like her stuff, and it was fun seeing all the characters, uh, her past characters from past shows.
1:02
SPEAKER_00: That was pretty cool.
1:03
SPEAKER_00: Um, but like just I think one of the things, like, there's some characters on there that I really just could not stand.
1:09
SPEAKER_00: And there was uh like the reporter.
1:12
SPEAKER_01: Oh, Vivian.
1:14
SPEAKER_00: Vivian, and obviously Anna, but Anna was that's she's the main character, whatever.
1:18
SPEAKER_00: That's a different thing.
1:19
SPEAKER_01: I will say something.
1:20
SPEAKER_01: I thought that Anna was like the woman, Julia Garner, right?
1:23
SPEAKER_01: That's the actress's niece.
1:24
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
1:25
SPEAKER_00: Julia Garner.
1:26
SPEAKER_01: Amazing.
1:26
SPEAKER_01: Because you know, she's also on Ozark.
1:28
SPEAKER_01: And oh, really?
1:29
SPEAKER_00: I haven't seen Ozark.
1:30
SPEAKER_01: Oh my god, she's so freaking good.
1:32
SPEAKER_01: She's so good.
1:33
SPEAKER_00: No, no, she's a good actress, she's a good actress.
1:35
SPEAKER_00: I don't like that wasn't an issue because I think it's expected if people hate that character, but she did a good job.
1:41
SPEAKER_00: And I didn't really hate her, but Vivian just got on my last nerve.
1:44
SPEAKER_00: Like the entire time, it's like she treated her pregnancy like it was a damn burden.
1:49
SPEAKER_00: Like, I get it.
1:49
SPEAKER_00: Like, you know, I get it.
1:50
SPEAKER_00: You're a working woman, I'm a working woman, you're a working woman, we have careers.
1:55
SPEAKER_00: Come on, dude.
1:56
SPEAKER_00: It was so annoying.
1:57
SPEAKER_00: Hanan.
1:58
SPEAKER_00: You're trying to tell me she didn't annoy you.
2:01
SPEAKER_01: No, I just thought she was.
2:02
SPEAKER_01: Here's the thing that like bothered me.
2:04
SPEAKER_01: She did not annoy me.
2:05
SPEAKER_01: No, no, no.
2:06
SPEAKER_01: I disagree with you.
2:06
SPEAKER_01: She didn't annoy me.
2:07
SPEAKER_01: There is one thing that really that really, really like got under my skin, which is like, I understand the life of like an investigative reporter.
2:16
SPEAKER_01: Like, I understand when you're really digging for something and you're really looking for something, I get that.
2:20
SPEAKER_01: But the thing that I thought was really um was really like weird was her level of like obsession with Anna and with who Anna was.
2:31
SPEAKER_01: Forget like how she treated her pregnancy.
2:33
SPEAKER_01: And I mean, I I see your perspective, but I for me it was super weird because it like this idea of who Anna Delvey was for her became this weird obsession.
2:44
SPEAKER_01: Is not even the correct word, it's like an understatement for how the media dealt with like the whole uh the whole like Anna Delvey situation.
2:50
SPEAKER_01: It was really freaking weird.
2:51
SPEAKER_01: She was beyond obsessed with beyond obsessed.
2:54
SPEAKER_00: I just yeah, I just hope that she wasn't like this in real life and they kind of over-dramatize this thing.
3:00
SPEAKER_00: Because I mean, like, it's just she's just not a likable person.
3:04
SPEAKER_00: She's not a likable person.
3:05
SPEAKER_00: Like, I don't even know.
3:06
SPEAKER_01: I love that actress, by the way.
3:08
SPEAKER_00: Oh, yeah, she's cool.
3:09
SPEAKER_00: Like, I mean, obviously, we all loved her.
3:10
SPEAKER_00: We grew up, like, you know, she was in my girl, right?
3:12
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah.
3:13
SPEAKER_00: I mean, like, and someone said on on Twitter, they were like, God damn, like I can't believe like this just shows me how old I am.
3:19
SPEAKER_00: Like, that's what like when you finally recognize who that is, you're like, oh my god, she's like old.
3:24
SPEAKER_00: And we're that means we're old.
3:26
SPEAKER_00: We're old, you know?
3:27
SPEAKER_00: Um, but then the other thing is about the whole like you know, her obsession.
3:31
SPEAKER_00: Um, you can you can love your job and you can be an amazing journalist, but like, you know, some of the things, and I know this is fake, and I know this is like half of it is not real, and I know it's it's it's Hollywood, and I get that, and it's for entertainment purposes, but like, can you at least like can like there's one thing that I was really upset with from the writers, and I think I mentioned this to you before.
3:52
SPEAKER_00: Like, as a journalist, you okay, so she admitted in real life, like I did some research, and she did say that she did give her clothes to Anna.
4:00
SPEAKER_00: Like, she actually left her, which is fun.
4:02
SPEAKER_00: Like, I'm okay, like that doesn't bother me so much because she's the one giving, even though you're not supposed to get involved.
4:07
SPEAKER_00: But the one thing that really bothered me was her staying at that one lady's house.
4:12
SPEAKER_00: I forgot the character's name.
4:13
SPEAKER_00: Like, she went to interview her about Anna.
4:15
SPEAKER_00: And you mean her parents?
4:18
SPEAKER_00: No, no, not Anna, not Anna's parents, her friend, one of her friends, the one that was on a boat with her boyfriend, and they would like, I can't remember her name.
4:25
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I think.
4:26
SPEAKER_00: She went to her house, she went to her house to interview her, and then Lily's like, Oh my god, it's like she says it's so late, you should sleep over.
4:32
SPEAKER_00: And as soon as she gets in, she gets her to change into some new clothes.
4:36
SPEAKER_00: She's like, Oh, let me just give you some comfortable clothes, and she does that, and then she ends up spending the night there, her and her husband.
4:41
SPEAKER_00: And I'm just like, no self-respecting journalist would do that.
4:45
SPEAKER_00: I don't know.
4:46
SPEAKER_00: I don't know.
4:46
SPEAKER_00: I I don't maybe I'm offended because like this is the feel of the man.
4:50
SPEAKER_00: I'm like, no, you could you can't accept, and then you know what?
4:52
SPEAKER_00: Fine.
4:53
SPEAKER_00: Okay, so you spend the night there, whatever situation, circumstances, but then she accepts a gift from um see, I should have like looked up the names of these characters again because I completely forgot the old in the beginning.
5:05
SPEAKER_00: Do you remember her name?
5:06
SPEAKER_00: No, hold on, let me look up the characters real quickly because I don't want to just keep talking without mentioning names.
5:12
SPEAKER_01: No, I think I think what you need to also remember is this is like a traumatized uh dramatized version of whatever the story was.
5:19
SPEAKER_01: And so, like, they're not gonna get all of these things like perfect.
5:22
SPEAKER_00: And they say that, and that's why I understand, but like, but but but Hanan, like really nobody is gonna talk.
5:28
SPEAKER_00: No one knows what a journalist is.
5:29
SPEAKER_00: Like, that's basic one-on-one stuff.
5:31
SPEAKER_00: Like, you just don't accept gifts.
5:34
SPEAKER_00: I think no, no, you do accepted that peacock thing, whatever the hell that was, like that super expensive.
5:40
SPEAKER_01: I would have taken it too.
5:41
SPEAKER_00: Re No.
5:43
SPEAKER_00: What are you gonna I mean, what is she gonna do with it anyway?
5:46
SPEAKER_01: It doesn't matter.
5:47
SPEAKER_01: I want it.
5:47
SPEAKER_01: I'm gonna take it.
5:49
SPEAKER_00: You know?
5:49
SPEAKER_01: No, I think I think you're you're over.
5:53
SPEAKER_01: I don't know.
5:53
SPEAKER_01: I think you're you're oh, I think it was Nora.
5:59
SPEAKER_00: Nora, remember?
6:01
SPEAKER_00: Um Yeah.
6:03
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, that was the character.
6:04
SPEAKER_00: Like, she accepted a freaking peacock from Nora.
6:07
SPEAKER_00: That's the same thing that Anna had sent sent her.
6:09
SPEAKER_00: But I'm just like, I don't know how real that is.
6:11
SPEAKER_00: But you just don't do that.
6:12
SPEAKER_00: I don't know.
6:12
SPEAKER_00: Like journalists can't do that, they can't accept gifts like that.
6:15
SPEAKER_00: Neither can government employees or you okay.
6:18
SPEAKER_00: I mean, yeah, that's that's basic.
6:20
SPEAKER_00: Um and can we talk about the husband?
6:23
SPEAKER_00: I really liked him.
6:24
SPEAKER_00: I'm sorry.
6:25
SPEAKER_00: He doesn't exist in real life.
6:27
SPEAKER_01: Do you really think he's supportive?
6:29
SPEAKER_01: That's why I really liked him.
6:30
SPEAKER_01: He was so supportive, he was so loving.
6:33
SPEAKER_01: I mean, the fact that she left like a week old baby with him, and she was like, I gotta well, actually, I don't know if she was a week old.
6:38
SPEAKER_01: She was a Yeah, I mean, maybe they they did that just for the month or something.
6:42
SPEAKER_01: But yeah, I can't remember in the show, but I remember she had just had a baby and then she had a lot of people.
6:45
SPEAKER_00: I think it was a couple of months because when I like I said, when I did facts from fiction, like I researched that, like what's true and what's not, because you know, a lot of this stuff is made up, and I think it was around two months, not like one week.
6:54
SPEAKER_01: Um but I really liked him.
6:55
SPEAKER_01: Like, I'm sure the even the real life husband, I would really like him too.
6:58
SPEAKER_01: Great guy, very supportive, very sweet.
7:01
SPEAKER_01: And he's just like getting people like that don't exist.
7:04
SPEAKER_00: I'm just letting you know.
7:05
SPEAKER_01: I mean, he clearly she's married to somebody like that in real life, right?
7:09
SPEAKER_00: I mean, how is he even like I don't know?
7:11
SPEAKER_00: I just she's so annoying.
7:12
SPEAKER_00: I don't know why he's even with her ass.
7:14
SPEAKER_00: No, that's just that's just me.
7:16
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I mean, I'm sorry.
7:17
SPEAKER_01: Like, I disagree with you.
7:20
SPEAKER_00: Okay, I mean, maybe.
7:21
SPEAKER_00: I mean, someone online was saying um they're like, uh, what do you look for in a man?
7:24
SPEAKER_00: And then someone put his picture, someone as understanding as this guy.
7:28
SPEAKER_00: I gotta put put that up there.
7:30
SPEAKER_00: I gotta include it in that.
7:31
SPEAKER_00: It was so funny.
7:32
SPEAKER_00: That is so true.
7:33
SPEAKER_01: But I will say, like, a lot of like just in reading about like inventing Anna and the response that it got, a lot of people loved it.
7:39
SPEAKER_01: Like, I thought it was really it, I thought it was really amazing because it shows how obsessed like a certain level of society in the United States of America is with like royalty or with you know heiresses or the concept of you know, duchesses or just weird, right?
8:01
SPEAKER_01: Like if somebody comes here to like this very like top echelon of society and says, I'm you know, this foreign investor with a fancy accent, automatically people just eat that shit up like without even doing any research.
8:14
SPEAKER_01: And it's the weirdest thing to me.
8:15
SPEAKER_00: It is people eat that stuff up, but you know what else you're eating up is this whole scammer.
8:20
SPEAKER_00: I mean, you had Tinder Swindler and then now inventing Anna.
8:24
SPEAKER_00: And then I saw this tweet, and it's like the funniest tweet ever.
8:27
SPEAKER_00: Um, it said, if Simon and Anna ever met, and then there's like this uh um screenshot of their uh uh WhatsApp conversation, and it's just so funny because he he sends her, uh, the card you gave me is not working.
8:39
SPEAKER_00: Uh call them.
8:40
SPEAKER_00: And then she responds with just run it again.
8:42
SPEAKER_00: Why are you bothering me with bothering me with this?
8:44
SPEAKER_00: And then he says, But my enemies, and she says, My father will wire it.
8:49
SPEAKER_00: And then he says, Still waiting for wire, every action has a reaction.
8:52
SPEAKER_00: And then she responds with, Don't you know I'm trying to create something amazing?
8:56
SPEAKER_00: I just thought that was funny.
8:57
SPEAKER_00: I mean, that was a cute.
8:58
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
8:58
SPEAKER_01: No, it's uh sweet.
9:00
SPEAKER_01: I I thought it I like just the whole the whole concept of um, but the Tinder swindler for me is very different than Anna Delvey because the Tinder swindler, which we what we talked about in the last episode, that was very like one-on-one, right?
9:15
SPEAKER_01: Like you're just going in, it's one victim.
9:18
SPEAKER_01: Um, even if it's not like even if it's multiple victims together, but it's like your attention kind of goes in one area at a time.
9:25
SPEAKER_01: It's a Ponzi scheme, right?
9:27
SPEAKER_01: Whereas Anna was like she just injected herself into this like part of society that is like, you know, like you you kind of need to be like I don't know, you need to be someone special, like either have a special last name or have really lots of money in your bank account.
9:44
SPEAKER_01: And she didn't have any of these things, she just kind of built this whole facade and people just accepted it.
9:49
SPEAKER_01: And to me, that is like it blows my mind a little bit more because it's not like she found just like a sliver and went in.
9:55
SPEAKER_01: She just like, she just she just like what you know, she introduced herself with this person and people just started like accepting it.
10:04
SPEAKER_01: Like nobody asked anybody.
10:05
SPEAKER_00: But here's the thing like you know, like I was watching her, and she she's obviously like I I would I don't know, like her personality is weird, and uh you and I would never even be in the same circles that she's running in.
10:15
SPEAKER_00: But I don't know, I you never know, but I don't get why anyone would be friends with her.
10:19
SPEAKER_00: Like, I don't care how much money you have or claim to have, she she wasn't nice.
10:23
SPEAKER_00: I mean, she's just in her own little world, though.
10:26
SPEAKER_01: So here's the thing like you don't like what we we don't really know who she is, right?
10:31
SPEAKER_01: Like, we're just going off of like this because what we watch again is like a dramatization of who this person was in real life.
10:40
SPEAKER_01: We don't know if she was nice or not nice, or this or that, or maybe people liked her because I mean, remember, this is New York City.
10:47
SPEAKER_01: Maybe people liked her because she was so fucking cutthroat, and because she was so fucking black and white, and because she was so direct.
10:54
SPEAKER_01: And maybe that's pe why people thought she was who she was.
10:58
SPEAKER_01: You didn't have any time to waste.
11:00
SPEAKER_01: Here's this person trying to make something, whatever this something is.
11:03
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, and maybe that's why people were like, Oh, yeah, she must be real, it must be, it must be like she must be serious about what she wants to do.
11:10
SPEAKER_01: At the end of the day, for me, nothing matters more than like Julia Gardner's performance in that show.
11:15
SPEAKER_00: Like, hand like half- she did a great job, but like, you know, at the end, and I wanted to talk about like this specific uh issue.
11:22
SPEAKER_00: I felt like at the end of the the show, like the last episode, they were not even just the last episode, but just like the overall uh feeling that I got from it, the conclusion was that they wanted us to try to feel bad for Anna.
11:36
SPEAKER_00: Um, I don't know if I'm the only one that felt I don't know if I'm the you didn't you didn't get that impression.
11:41
SPEAKER_01: No, I don't think that they wanted us, I I don't feel like they wanted us to feel bad for Anna as much as they um as much as I I think what you're saying is like maybe they're trying to like humanize her, and maybe that's what you didn't appreciate.
11:54
SPEAKER_00: I mean, I like the comment, which is fine.
11:56
SPEAKER_00: No, I don't have a problem.
11:57
SPEAKER_00: I mean, I like that she said this one line, uh, Vivian, the journalist.
12:01
SPEAKER_00: She says that, you know, uh men who defrauded uh like companies or like the whole Wall Street situation, men who actually did committed real fraud got away with a lot less.
12:13
SPEAKER_00: But she did commit fraud.
12:15
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, but like she tried getting alone.
12:17
SPEAKER_00: I mean, she did she did commit fraud, but like I mean, I see that.
12:22
SPEAKER_00: Like I'm not I'm not defending her.
12:23
SPEAKER_00: I just felt like they were kind of like the the whole idea that her and the lawyer felt so bad for her and they were so upset.
12:29
SPEAKER_00: I'm just like, but she deserves that she's in jail.
12:33
SPEAKER_00: Like I I I don't know, I just got the sense that they were trying to make us feel bad for her.
12:37
SPEAKER_00: I'm not gonna feel bad for someone who spent other people's money to live it up.
12:43
SPEAKER_00: I know that's the thing that's and even if these yeah, even if these people are rich assholes, it's still like I'm not gonna feel bad for you because this isn't your money and you're taking the easy way out, you know?
12:53
SPEAKER_01: So I I I don't have any kind of I don't know if the show tried to do that as much.
12:58
SPEAKER_01: I don't I like I didn't feel bad for her.
13:00
SPEAKER_01: I think what they were trying to do was basic uh I mean you could tell like I I understood it very differently.
13:09
SPEAKER_01: Like they knew that the only way that they were going to fix this for Anna was to I guess make people or help people uh see that she's not as maybe smart or a schemer as she tries to be.
13:24
SPEAKER_01: You know, maybe they did try to humanize her, and I think they did that on purpose, like they not being the show, but they being the people who were protecting or the the defending her, like her lawyer or whatever.
13:34
SPEAKER_01: Um, I do, however, think the most honest part of that entire show or the most honest statement about who Anna was as a person, um, you know, she had given all these stories about her childhood and how she grew up.
13:46
SPEAKER_01: And then when they had that scene with her mom, when Vivian went to Germany to meet her mom, and her mom's like, you know, when you have like a kid and you know that they're like never like you, like from the onset, you know that they're just not a part of you.
13:59
SPEAKER_01: And so that right there explains to you that, like, no, she was just always she was never content with who she was as a person, she was always looking to be somebody different.
14:08
SPEAKER_01: And for her mom to say that, you're like, Oh yeah, okay, like I get it.
14:11
SPEAKER_01: I don't know.
14:11
SPEAKER_01: I don't feel like they tried to humanize her.
14:13
SPEAKER_00: Okay, maybe not, but I think at for me, like my entire like okay, some of the episodes were so boring to me.
14:18
SPEAKER_00: Like, I'll be honest.
14:20
SPEAKER_01: They were a little long-winded.
14:21
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I'm just like, though, in that show.
14:23
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I mean, we'll we're we'll get to that.
14:25
SPEAKER_00: But like for me, it's like you could have done this in four episodes.
14:27
SPEAKER_00: Come on, man.
14:28
SPEAKER_00: Like, you're making me watch, what was it, nine?
14:29
SPEAKER_01: A lot of people say that.
14:30
SPEAKER_01: Like my sister was like, I couldn't get, I couldn't keep going after episode two.
14:33
SPEAKER_01: Like, I just couldn't keep going.
14:34
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, it wasn't very engaging.
14:36
SPEAKER_00: For me, it wasn't.
14:37
SPEAKER_00: I don't know.
14:37
SPEAKER_00: But um, I think what a lot of people, maybe not a lot of people, but I think part of it was uh she scammed like financial institutions and the New York City elite.
14:48
SPEAKER_00: And I think for some people, they take kind of comfort in there, like, okay, good for her.
14:52
SPEAKER_00: You know, I think there's there's one view of like that's the other viewpoint, you know.
14:57
SPEAKER_00: Um, but you mentioned the characters, and I think we should get back to that.
15:00
SPEAKER_00: Like, what who was who was your favorite character?
15:03
SPEAKER_01: Who was my favorite character?
15:04
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, or one of your favorites, it doesn't have to be so obviously like I loved, I don't I remember what his name on the show.
15:09
SPEAKER_01: I loved um, what did it call it?
15:11
SPEAKER_01: Scriberia.
15:11
SPEAKER_00: Like Scriberia.
15:12
SPEAKER_00: Oh my god, you and I both, everybody in Scriberia.
15:15
SPEAKER_00: Yes, yes, definitely.
15:17
SPEAKER_01: I was like, these people have my heart, right?
15:20
SPEAKER_00: Like that was the only like good part of that show for me.
15:23
SPEAKER_00: I looked forward to like seeing them.
15:25
SPEAKER_01: No, I mean, uh, there was a lot of good parts in the show.
15:27
SPEAKER_01: Like, I loved Scriberia.
15:29
SPEAKER_01: I thought it was so like, and so those folks are amazing.
15:33
SPEAKER_01: The other person that I loved on the show, like I was saying earlier, I loved Laverne Cox character, Casey.
15:38
SPEAKER_01: Casey, yeah.
15:39
SPEAKER_01: I like that really like that.
15:41
SPEAKER_01: I made me like L O L was the cop taking Rachel's.
15:45
SPEAKER_01: Um, remember when Rachel went into the city.
15:47
SPEAKER_01: Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
15:48
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah.
15:48
SPEAKER_01: He's like, So, did she take your credit card by force?
15:52
SPEAKER_01: Oh, did you give it to her?
15:53
SPEAKER_01: Did you give it she's like like that?
15:55
SPEAKER_01: I don't even know.
15:56
SPEAKER_01: Like, he didn't have a name.
15:57
SPEAKER_01: He's just like, you know, like a very small, but I was like, Man, that guy did a great job.
16:01
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, he did a great job.
16:02
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, he was.
16:02
SPEAKER_00: And and and that's it.
16:04
SPEAKER_00: So I like Casey.
16:04
SPEAKER_00: You and I are are in agreement about that.
16:06
SPEAKER_01: I like Casey because yeah, Casey.
16:09
SPEAKER_01: You know what I loved about Casey the most on this is Casey only cared about one person, herself.
16:14
SPEAKER_00: Well, yeah.
16:14
SPEAKER_00: I mean, she she took care to just not get too involved.
16:17
SPEAKER_00: And the best part, I think I laughed when um she tried getting her to buy her a first class ticket.
16:21
SPEAKER_00: And she's like, Um, no, you're writing coach, you know, exactly.
16:26
SPEAKER_00: Um, but then you mentioned Rachel, love her or hate her?
16:32
SPEAKER_00: Well, how do I say that?
16:34
SPEAKER_00: I mean, she gave me anxiety just watching.
16:35
SPEAKER_00: I'm just like, oh my god, get it together.
16:37
SPEAKER_00: I'm like, my blood pressure was rising.
16:39
SPEAKER_01: I'm just like you calm down.
16:42
SPEAKER_01: So, Rachel, here's the thing like Rachel is the kind of person that's like um, like she wanted to be a big timer, she wanted to be a high roller, she wanted like she so desired that life that she just her decision-making process was like not good in the process of her trying to get close to Anna.
17:01
SPEAKER_01: She wanted to so badly be like in the limelight and be with you know the New York City elite that she made some bad decisions.
17:09
SPEAKER_01: Now, do I feel bad for her?
17:12
SPEAKER_01: Um now this is gonna sound controversial.
17:17
SPEAKER_01: No, I don't feel bad for Rachel at all.
17:19
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I don't feel bad.
17:19
SPEAKER_00: I mean, she made out real I mean she got like a book deal out of it.
17:23
SPEAKER_01: No, no, forget the book deal, forget all of that stuff, forget all of that stuff.
17:28
SPEAKER_01: You are like rolling with somebody who you guys are like you don't know anything about this woman.
17:34
SPEAKER_01: You just want to be her friend.
17:35
SPEAKER_01: That's it, right?
17:35
SPEAKER_01: Because that's like is that what you got to you?
17:37
SPEAKER_01: Like she just so badly wanted to be close to Anna, right?
17:41
SPEAKER_01: And okay, if you think this woman is like a high roller, like why are you trying to compete when you know you can't compete?
17:47
SPEAKER_00: I know, I know.
17:48
SPEAKER_00: And I think I think the other um side of this is Neff.
17:52
SPEAKER_00: Neff was just I mean, I don't know.
17:56
SPEAKER_00: I mean, I I I commend her for trying to stay true to her friend and be there for her.
18:00
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, um, but I mean, come on, really?
18:05
SPEAKER_00: I mean, you you you can't ride or die for a scammer, man.
18:09
SPEAKER_00: You just can't.
18:10
SPEAKER_01: But here's the thing, it's like I think with Neff, she's it's not so much about like ride or die for a scammer.
18:15
SPEAKER_01: I think she's just like, okay, this woman is my friend, and did she do something wrong?
18:19
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, but am I gonna like throw her in the trash?
18:22
SPEAKER_01: No.
18:22
SPEAKER_00: But someone, I don't know if it was Casey or Rachel who told her so one of the characters said, Well, yeah, you got paid back.
18:29
SPEAKER_00: You know, but so I think that's the difference, also.
18:32
SPEAKER_01: I think Rachel, right?
18:34
SPEAKER_01: Was it Rachel?
18:35
SPEAKER_00: I think I think it was Rachel.
18:36
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, dude, Rachel, Rachel was just like, and you know, the here's the thing like I loved when they were in court and they were questioning Rachel because I'm like, Yeah, man, yeah, did you get scammed?
18:46
SPEAKER_01: Maybe.
18:47
SPEAKER_01: But like you got all this stuff out of it, and you've been sitting there just and Amex literally was like, sorry for your troubles.
18:53
SPEAKER_01: We're gonna like take it all away.
18:54
SPEAKER_01: You know what I mean?
18:55
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, did she lose her job?
18:57
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, but she got a book deal.
18:59
SPEAKER_00: She didn't lose her job, she wrote her job.
19:01
SPEAKER_00: No, she she ended up writing uh uh like her first person perspective of what happened when the story broke of, you know, the yeah, no, no, she stayed with Let me adjust this so it's centered.
19:11
SPEAKER_01: There we go.
19:12
SPEAKER_00: She she was she stayed with Vanity Fair, she didn't get she didn't get fired.
19:17
SPEAKER_01: She didn't give a and I felt like Rachel.
19:20
SPEAKER_00: Like I love that actress.
19:21
SPEAKER_00: I can I don't remember what her her name is.
19:22
SPEAKER_00: Let me see what her name is.
19:24
SPEAKER_00: Um, but I I love her.
19:25
SPEAKER_00: Like she's she's a great actress, she was in scandal and everything.
19:27
SPEAKER_00: She's gonna give me a lot of anxiety, but dude, she just I'm telling you, Rachel, like my anxiety was rising every time with her.
19:33
SPEAKER_00: Like I couldn't, like every time she's like just the constant crying, and I don't know, man.
19:38
SPEAKER_00: Like Casey was the best one.
19:39
SPEAKER_00: She had limits to her friendship with Anna.
19:42
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, and she knew better.
19:43
SPEAKER_01: And well, she had she has limits to her friends, she has limits with everybody in her life.
19:47
SPEAKER_01: Casey just has boundaries.
19:48
SPEAKER_01: That's like what you learned is Casey has boundaries, and Rachel had no boundaries.
19:52
SPEAKER_00: So and so did you like anybody else?
19:56
SPEAKER_00: Not really, honestly.
19:57
SPEAKER_01: Everybody else was just I'm telling you, there's very few people that stood out to me.
20:00
SPEAKER_01: One was the cop, the scriberia folks are amazing.
20:03
SPEAKER_01: Like yes, yes, those guys are awesome.
20:06
SPEAKER_01: Are amazing.
20:06
SPEAKER_01: Anna's husband.
20:08
SPEAKER_01: I loved um Anna's husband isn't real, so you can't like it.
20:12
SPEAKER_01: Sorry, not Anna's husband, I'm sorry, Vivian's husband.
20:14
SPEAKER_00: You know who I meant Vivian's husband, so yeah, he's not.
20:21
SPEAKER_01: I love the fact that, like, you know, there's all these stories that like Vivian, you know, made up about them.
20:25
SPEAKER_01: And then you learn, you're like, they're just they're like hardworking, like good people.
20:30
SPEAKER_01: It's they are not responsible for this like mess of a human being that they created.
20:34
SPEAKER_01: Like, and I love when the mom says, like, you know, sometimes you just know that this person isn't like you, and we knew that she wasn't like us, like she was number one of us.
20:42
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, no matter what you did, she's gonna do her own thing.
20:45
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, and I love that because it shows you sometimes because a lot of times, you know, when people do when you have people who become like evil, let's just use the word evil, or they rob people or scam people or whatever.
20:56
SPEAKER_01: People look and they're like, God, they must have come from a shitty ass family and a shitty ass household and a crappy upbringing.
21:02
SPEAKER_01: And sometimes, no, it's none of these things.
21:04
SPEAKER_01: Sometimes they're just shitty human beings and their genetics has nothing to do with it.
21:08
SPEAKER_01: You know what I mean?
21:08
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I mean, just like I don't know if you want to add anything else to it, but I just wanted to say, like, overall, I wish, like, just what I I would have liked to see.
21:16
SPEAKER_00: I don't know if they should have dramatized it, but maybe that they had their own reasons for it.
21:21
SPEAKER_00: Like, they did dramatize it.
21:22
SPEAKER_00: I don't think they should have.
21:23
SPEAKER_00: I I would have liked something more like Tinder Swindler, like a documentary where you showed me the actual facts and evidence and the and speak to people.
21:31
SPEAKER_00: But then again, I understand why they couldn't do that because maybe these people didn't want to talk on camera.
21:35
SPEAKER_01: Like it's I don't think you're really want to talk on camera, but uh again, it's like Shonda.
21:38
SPEAKER_01: Like I love that, but I love Shonda.
21:41
SPEAKER_00: I like Shonda.
21:42
SPEAKER_01: I don't I don't have a problem with the only I'm the only human in America still watching Grays.
21:47
SPEAKER_00: Yes, you are.
21:47
SPEAKER_00: No one else is watching that crap.
21:49
SPEAKER_00: I mean, oh my god.
21:56
SPEAKER_00: You watch Grays when it first started, and it was actually a decent show.
21:59
SPEAKER_00: I know.
22:00
SPEAKER_00: Turn this into a Gray's review.
22:01
SPEAKER_01: I know, but I do love me a good Shonda show, so that's why.
22:05
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I think I'm gonna be inventing Anna.
22:07
SPEAKER_00: I think it was very hard for me.
22:09
SPEAKER_00: Like I just played in the background at some points, and then I'm like, okay, I should pay attention to this part because it was just it was dragging on way too much.
22:15
SPEAKER_01: I loved, I loved how even in her like lowest of lows, right?
22:20
SPEAKER_01: Like lowest of lows, that's it.
22:22
SPEAKER_01: Everybody knows that she is a hot mess.
22:25
SPEAKER_01: Like everybody knows that she's a thief.
22:27
SPEAKER_01: She goes and she writes that check, deposits it, caches it, flies to LA, and she stays at the Chateau Marmont.
22:35
SPEAKER_01: And I'm like, Yeah, but see, that's the thing.
22:37
SPEAKER_00: Now, like what I wanted to say, you just reminded me.
22:40
SPEAKER_00: No one wants to talk about like the medical aspect of like like is she is she not like actually delusional?
22:46
SPEAKER_00: Like this person must have like some sort of mental absolue.
22:50
SPEAKER_01: She's absolutely delusional.
22:51
SPEAKER_00: And and that wasn't touched that like nobody talked about that.
22:54
SPEAKER_01: No, no, she is she's a psychopath, and it was touched upon the fact that she pretended to kill herself or to try and commit suicide.
23:02
SPEAKER_00: But no one, no one actually like we could we didn't actually find you know, I don't know how I mean I know they mentioned it a little bit.
23:09
SPEAKER_01: You can tell she's psychotic, and like and and there was moments where you can tell she's a freaking like she's a psychopath because one forget the trying to kill herself when Vivian was sitting there.
23:20
SPEAKER_01: That was fake though, but that's what I'm saying.
23:22
SPEAKER_01: When Vivian was sitting there and interviewing her, talking to her, and she just goes, That's what she wanted, right?
23:29
SPEAKER_00: You figured it out, and I was like, Holy crap, she isn't psycho.
23:33
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, she isn't.
23:33
SPEAKER_00: I mean, the fact that she would like throw temper tantrums, and this was true.
23:36
SPEAKER_00: I looked this up because of the the the clothes she got from the court.
23:39
SPEAKER_00: I'm like, get your ass in court.
23:42
SPEAKER_01: But that's the but that's the thing that you have to remember in her mind, she's someone so special.
23:47
SPEAKER_01: Like, she can't be wearing just any random old clothes.
23:50
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I don't know.
23:50
SPEAKER_01: But any any final thoughts?
23:53
SPEAKER_01: I loved it, I thought it was great.
23:55
SPEAKER_01: I I enjoyed it, I thought it was fun.
23:57
SPEAKER_01: Again, for me, I love the fact that it's dramatized because I do enjoy a good disconnect.
24:02
SPEAKER_01: Uh, like from real world, especially in light of everything that's going on in the real world right now.
24:07
SPEAKER_01: I really do enjoy a good disconnect.
24:10
SPEAKER_01: So you're different, you're very different than me.
24:13
SPEAKER_00: For me, it's like either give me the facts or dramatize the whole goddamn thing.
24:16
SPEAKER_00: But don't give me half and half.
24:17
SPEAKER_00: That just makes me like irritated because here I am searching on what really happened.
24:22
SPEAKER_00: Like that bothers me.
24:22
SPEAKER_00: Like, I don't want to do any extra work.
24:24
SPEAKER_00: I couldn't do that.
24:25
SPEAKER_00: Because I because I want to know what like some of the ridiculo ridiculous crap that was going on in the show.
24:30
SPEAKER_00: I'm like, I need to know.
24:31
SPEAKER_00: And some of it actually turned out to be true.
24:33
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, some of the stuff is true.
24:34
SPEAKER_00: But it's just too much work for me.
24:35
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, but I'm I mean, that's because you decided to do that.
24:38
SPEAKER_00: You should just be like me and not do it.
24:40
SPEAKER_00: I don't know.
24:40
SPEAKER_00: I can't.
24:41
SPEAKER_00: It's just that that's my nature.
24:42
SPEAKER_00: Like, I need to know what actually happened.
24:45
SPEAKER_00: And anyway, like I said, it was too long.
24:47
SPEAKER_00: Uh the main characters were annoying as fuck.
24:50
SPEAKER_00: Okay, like they were like just the reporter, just irritated.
24:53
SPEAKER_00: And I like that actress too.
24:54
SPEAKER_00: It just I couldn't, I couldn't deal with her.
24:57
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
24:58
SPEAKER_01: No, I um no, I I actually I really I liked her.
25:01
SPEAKER_01: Was she uh kind of obsessive?
25:03
SPEAKER_01: That's the thing that really drove me nuts was how obsessed she was.
25:06
SPEAKER_01: I thought that was a little weird, right?
25:08
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, but I did love how uh like despite what everybody says about the show trying to like you know humanize um Anna Delve, I actually think no, I think the show did a great job of showing that she was kind of a freaking psycho.
25:20
SPEAKER_01: Like she was a little bit of a psycho, and you could totally see that.
25:22
SPEAKER_01: The fact that she literally slow clapped for Vivian.
25:26
SPEAKER_00: So would you would you yeah, would you recommend this to someone who hasn't watched it?
25:30
SPEAKER_00: Absolutely.
25:31
SPEAKER_01: Absolutely.
25:32
SPEAKER_01: I have I've recommended.
25:33
SPEAKER_00: I mean, unless you have nothing else to watch, don't watch this anyway.
25:36
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25:38
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25:38
SPEAKER_00: Are we good?
25:39
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