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Autism Burnout (What YOU Need To Know) With Zack James · Aspergers & Autism Podcast [The Aspie World] AuDHD

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  podcast. This video.
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  I'm talking about create a burnout and Bernards for people
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  on the autism spectrum in general with my friend.
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  Zack James coming up. Hey guys, welcome back to the
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  ask me world. My name is Dan.
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  I have autism ADHD OCD and dyslexia and I'm making weekly
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  We should see this page a like and follow to daily uploads,
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  right? So as you can see, I have
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  somebody with me on the show today in this, in this episode.
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  This is Zach James. He actually runs around like a
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  few different channels, don't you do you run?
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  Yeah. How many channels?
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  Say to that were very no for publicly.
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  No. For, and your mom was probably
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  our most popular YouTube channel.
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  The big ones, the big boy. I think you guys are like
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  boasting, like Millions on the way you like 4 million 5
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  million. We go yawns.
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  I really kept track know while I'm guessing if I would say.
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  We're close to 5 million. We're getting there t.
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  That's so good. I have like a hundred.
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  Twenty two thousand subscribers yellow.
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  I'll get it and we'll get a million.
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  Don't worry about it. We'll do it.
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  Somehow we're gonna we're gonna do it.
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  Don't worry. You guys, um, we're all gonna do
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  it, but now it's still a pile of saying I love seeing awesome
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  creative people and then I love seeing success for creatives.
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  I just walk get my juices flowing.
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  So right so I was talking to Zack is pretty crazy actually.
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  So I start phones like as somebody said, hey check out his
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  stuff. He's funny and whatever and like
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  his Instagram is dope and he is screams also private which I
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  find quite interesting. So I follow you on Instagram and
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  then you certainly a DM saying like, hey somebody just talking
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  about you and my channel I was like what we had is that So we
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  then we just talking and, you know, shooting the convo about
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  autism in general and we both happen to be YouTubers and we're
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  both on the Spectrum and that's kind of, that's crazy, cool.
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  Right? And so, we decided that we would
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  do this video talking about like, autism burnout, but from
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  like a creative aspect. I think that's gonna be really
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  cool because I think like, there's so much you can take
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  away from this and there's so much conversation to be had if
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  I'll be a really cool conversation.
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  Isn't that right? Zach?
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  Yes, and it's very much. So Zach also has a deeper voice.
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  Voice than me. So I'm like the Chipmunk over
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  here and zaps like the he's like the baritone guy from the.
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  What's up? Bam that you know, what's up?
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  Uncle to the? Oh God.
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  They were like it. Something funny.
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  I'll get another name. Another like YouTube.
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  And oh, thanks. Oh wait in tights.
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  And in fact, yeah, they did be Lindsey Stirling.
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  Collaborate. Yeah.
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  Yeah. They did.
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  They did. They did a bunch of stuff Mother
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  crazy, but you said you like a bar, sounds like it from that.
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  His name is Abby. I think that's what do we got?
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  The other. Okay.
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  Anyway, this is besides the point.
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  So I prepared makes a list of discussion topics / questions.
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  I guess you could interpret as questions.
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  That means. I can discuss about lots of
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  burnout because I think like both of us being creators at
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  work like self-employed working at home and like the working on
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  YouTube is so it's like it's like a mile away from any other
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  job I've ever done in my life and there's some really
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  interesting takeaways in it and as act like, I don't know if you
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  have to know what videos are seen in mind, but a couple
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  months ago. I did a video where I was I was
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  talking about About one of the biggest things that like impacts
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  me. This isn't my discussion list.
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  This is just something that I just got off, the top of head.
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  What I'm thinking about is that, how lonely this job can be like,
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  I just feel like sometimes I'm sitting here on my own talking
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  to his camera thinking I'm the only one in this room.
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  Like I've been here for eight hours.
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  I'm going a bit crazy. So I don't know if you feel
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  that, you know, I would say that.
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  Honestly, I've always managed is probably the way of handling on
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  autism growing up, because I grew up moving around the world.
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  I grew up in about 26, other countries and that happened
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  between the age of 40 days of 15.
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  And that really forced me to get used to a lot of different
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  environments with a lot of different people and just being
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  comfortable with myself in general.
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  So I Guess in a lot of ways, no matter the environment.
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  I was in, I could be comfortable with myself.
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  And they've I wanted to be with people, I knew how to make that
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  work. So in the early days of YouTube,
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  10 years ago, me and a group of us other YouTubers would just
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  hang out and Skype calls for like 10 12 hours a day.
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  Just sitting there working on our own videos and this kind of
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  talking to each other fast forward today.
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  We're still friends a lot of us moved up in the industry and
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  hold really key. Positions, some are Executives
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  now and so it's really cool. Have those friendships and
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  connections that may not have existed.
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  If not with the idea of why not just Hempstead call that can
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  last all day. So maybe that's something I
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  would do in your position. You know, I think a lot of
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  YouTube, you know, this kid Discord check going and get
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  everybody to Discord chat and you don't have to have a topic
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  discussed in. Just kind of shoot the shit.
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  Yeah. Yeah just be there in the that's
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  an excellent. I see the same thing when I was
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  in Steel College. If you're American, I did the
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  same thing. I have like an open kind of
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  Skype call. Going all through the night with
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  my friend, who's also on my call.
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  So we just like talk and we'll be doing some more like, oh,
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  hey, did you get this answer? Right?
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  And I was kind of cool that work really well, but I never really
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  thought about it like that. And I think that's a great idea
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  because then you're always kind of connected to somebody because
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  it doesn't I do feel like I get kind of lonely.
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  I just super like this and motivating sometimes at the best
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  of times, especially with today's world, you know, with
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  this whole situation that work. Only doing wood and I think
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  seeing how society as a whole has adapted and taking on
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  Solutions like Zoom meetings, but not the zoom meetings for
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  company calls, but hey, let's all get on and do a Power with
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  each other and see how many beers league in drink before the
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  hour is up. And so see Society take on that
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  like evolution of being alone, but not being alone.
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  Is a good road map for anybody who feels alone regardless of
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  The situation we're currently in us the world.
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  Yeah, you know, a hundred percent like it's it's super
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  important and I guess it's important to like, kind of find
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  ways around like not feeling. So lonely, right?
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  I guess that's, that's super interesting, right?
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  So on to the actual topic for discussion, so this is an
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  interesting one. We spoke briefly about this
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  yesterday and I was talking about Jimmy from mr.
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  Beast, and I was saying that Jimmy to me.
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  Looks like a typical guy who's on the Spectrum.
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  Like, I relate so much to him in it and a lot of what he does and
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  how he makes his constant. I'm like, okay, it's totally on
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  the Spectrum. But this is a question for
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  discussion. Why do you think because I know
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  a lot of YouTubers are on the spectral?
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  Why do you think there are a bunch of people who are on the
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  Spectrum, not become YouTubers or vice versa?
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  Why do you think YouTubers are on the Spectrum?
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  I think is the versatility to be able to apply yourself and a
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  very welcoming environment. That's also challenging.
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  But challenging a way that seems to spark her interest.
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  Hmm. It's kind of like a like a
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  creative problem-solving environment.
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  Right? Exactly.
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  That's what that was. The big thing for me.
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  I saw it as like the opportunity of opportunities.
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  I knew it was going to be challenging but I was like, this
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  is better than Going to law school and then go into
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  politics. I totally see the next 20 years
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  of my life down that direction. Cool.
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  Yeah, I could knock it out of the park.
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  But I rather do something. That's a bitter that we're
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  crazy. Yeah.
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  Yeah. I know.
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  I, I really, I think that's amazing and like, there's
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  something that there's something about YouTube that like makes
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  it. I think it's this whole like
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  it's boundary-less as borderless.
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  It has this ability where you can be anybody and just put that
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  out there. It's the only job I've ever had
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  that I've stuck out for longer than a few months and it Kind of
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  like how has this. There's, I don't know.
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  There's there's like a almost like a, I don't know, like a
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  magnetic appeal to it. And then if you get that like,
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  we're like, I'm feel drawn to it.
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  Like there's something about it. Like when I think about creating
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  something, when I think about making something it's like I can
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  make a video on that or I could make this like, you know this
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  it's the outlet for my brain to exercise its kind of
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  creativeness, you know in a lot of ways I would say it's like
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  there's a magnetic appeal, but it This feels like a
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  gravitational slingshot, you know, like, the way they can
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  sling shot like the rocket before they send off to my, you
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  know, space. Yeah, exactly.
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  And to me, that's just really what it is.
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  Is like, there's this entity, there's this environment that
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  can pull in my creativity, but I instead of like it stuck in it,
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  it like can swing spot me back out into the world and I can
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  take something away from with it, and just have fun with it
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  too. At the same time.
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  Yeah, and I'll totally and I think Ike.
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  It's just, it's just so good for Creative brains.
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  And I think that a lot of people on the autism spectrum, Super
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  Creative that it just kind of just have this married approach
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  where it just works perfectly and everybody has a good time.
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  So, here's the thing, we're talking about burnout, right?
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  We're gonna go into bit more been out stuff.
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  But, so, do you think there's such thing as working too much?
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  Right? Because I don't know what your
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  working hours are mine a crazy like crazy.
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  Oh, yeah. Mine's gray.
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  I haven't gone to bed yet. CD actually.
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  I woke up. What's driver when I woke up,
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  when I work out. I woke up yesterday at 11
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  o'clock in the morning. So I've been up for about 21
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  hours now. 21 and a half hours. He looked at me night.
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  I was sleep. I use ice packs, they home.
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  All right. Yeah.
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  I got a good skincare routine. The thing is.
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  I just Get kind of homework and I just can't stop.
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  Sometimes. I literally will fall asleep in
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  my laptop sitting on my chest. And and now then suddenly, I'll
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  try to wake up and then hit me in the head.
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  I'm like, what is going on here? Yeah, I get that, where it
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  sometimes I forget to eat as well.
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  I do my girlfriend's like dude. Well, we're going to eat or
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  what. I'm like, oh, shoot.
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  I didn't even think about it, you know, like it's and drinking
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  as well. I have something I want to say.
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  Like I remembered to take regular breaks to eat and drink
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  because that's a huge one, but I think in terms of Too much where
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  I got. What point do you think you go?
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  Okay, enough is enough. I need to take some time.
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  What do you think that like Pinnacle Point is before you get
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  a burner? I think the balance of will
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  first see is important understand why we end up working
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  so much and I don't think it's necessarily the need to feel
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  like we have to work. But it's really the simple fact
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  that it's hard to turn off the brain, right?
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  And it's like one of the brain gets going.
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  It's like, you know, work is a very easy thing to entertain to
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  bring wood and yet it does exhaust you in many ways like
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  emotionally, because it can challenge you and you don't
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  always get that reward. So I think the balance is
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  Nosing. If you're not getting that
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  rewarder, instant reward from your work, then you need to find
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  the opportunity to reward yourself.
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  Let's show you don't have very good point.
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  Hey, not necessarily turn off the brain.
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  Like, I got one select, these McFarlane, Lego toys things, you
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  know, from like Rick and Morty and and Us South Park.
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  Yea, like I'll show you like this, but I got a bunch of these
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  that I haven't built it yet. But if I need to like, take a
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  break, but I want to turn off my brain all this packing.
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  And open one of these in this building for like an hour and
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  I'll feel good. I feel refreshed and get you a
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  gay that because I do the same thing and with like research
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  because like research is like my big thing.
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  I love research and stuff. So like I'll because I always
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  have to be learning. I don't feel the same.
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  Like, I always have to learn stuff like that.
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  My brain is Never full. It's like, it's like thirsty all
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  the time. So, I I have a point where I'm
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  like, I'm freaking out because I'm trying to edit and I'm that
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  it's not going, right? And I'm thinking, okay.
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  I need to take time off from just learn about like, you know,
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  Zero Point Energy or Quantum vacuum energy or you know,
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  something like like that. I think I think you're
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  absolutely fine on the mini. I never even realized.
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  I just I just did it, you know, but like my brain just went that
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  way. But it did get.
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  I have this like almost like a guilt sometimes when I'm doing
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  stuff, like researching for leisure.
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  I always think like I could be doing super productive right now
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  and I have this like, you know, this argument with myself like
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  should have and that's when I get better.
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  Yeah, I would say that really gets to.
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  Well. There's the whole different
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  times that gets me burnt out, right me as like that.
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  Me as a person trying to juggle all the things I want to do
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  throughout the day and being able to focus and not get caught
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  up in the thrill or something else.
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  Yeah, I can get burnt out myself.
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  And then I as like a company man who works in a very hostile
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  environment and when I see hostile environment, like you
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  have to realize companies like BuzzFeed did not meet their
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  their own projections and they have a dad to like lay off
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  people. So yeah, I run a company.
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  Luckily. My companies is too small to
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  fail. I never remember.
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  Lay off anybody. But I deal with challenges every
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  day with YouTube's algorithm and challenges, but I know that I
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  should not have to deal with if there was transparency and
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  that's where I get burned out. Because I think a lot of times
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  as an autistic person, I get burnt out when I'm not being
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  communicated with and when YouTube is not communicating
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  with me on how the platform works, it burns me out because I
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  know I do what I know what my click-through rates are I know
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  my watch time is I know what my audience retention is.
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  I study. I know that we upload every
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  single day. I know what we're doing.
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  Right? And is this sucks that something
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  like the word. Your mama being me so hard
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  because people get sent home from reviewing videos during
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  covid-19 that can burn me. I see circumstances.
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  I can't control. It really grabbed me out.
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  No, I totally hear you that did because that's like that.
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  That is kind of like almost like you get to a point where there's
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  no transparency or clear communication.
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  You get to a point where you just literally going around in
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  circles and then and it's not frustrating thing.
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  And you think oh, maybe it's a no no, no, it's not and that it
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  dies like, just woke up for that the worst and I totally
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  understand where you're coming from there.
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  And I do love that our whole algorithm challenge.
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  I love is a puzzle, but I love all that stuff and I'm really
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  into that. So we can always have another
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  conversation about But like, but in terms of like my hip, my next
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  question is like how do you know if you're heading towards a
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  burner, but I guess you kind of just covered that.
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  You know, you're you're you see kind of Hallmark's don't you you
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  see like I'm not getting clear. I'm not getting clear definition
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  here. I you start to feel
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  uncomfortable, right? Yeah, and I think is also
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  understanding that you, as a human being, you have to will.
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  Ideally you eat every day. We sometimes forget to eat, but
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  ideally every day and you You take care of yourself as a day,
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  right? So I always think of what am I
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  going to reward myself with that's not like food or anything
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  else that you're like, what is my my reward was?
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  My project was my thing that's going to make me feel like I
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  accomplished something one day could be laying down wooden for
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  from my balcony some change it into like a garden are just
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  making sure I clean my apartment or just making sure I can get
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  into that extra rep. When I work out a little Like
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  that, that made me feel like I accomplished more as a person
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  and not necessarily feel like work is all that makes me as a
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  person should because. Yeah, because it is that is that
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  kind of like violence? And I guess I do that sometimes
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  where I put like working out, like I should go like I love
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  running a little run for like maybe two to four miles like
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  when I got running. And so sometimes I get so
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  involved in like a project and I'm working and I'm taking on
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  all this stuff that I put this, the running aside and then I'm
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  not running. Then I start to kind of get Lie
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  down on myself, and I know I'm thinking it, like you said, it's
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  that reward of doing those things that you're not rewarding
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  yourself. And so, you know, you're heading
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  towards a slippery slope if you stop the reward, right?
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  Exactly. And I think a lot of times, we
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  just kind of limit ourselves to I found that like, I often limit
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  myself when it comes to how I wore myself.
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  I mean, look, you don't have to I kind of do a little anxiety
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  and a lot of ways but I've also again, I think it always having
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  grown up around the world. I don't the benefits of like
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  never I guess for me. I don't really associate things
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  to certain terminologies. Like, I know that they are real,
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  and they have real meaning, and that they aren't percent what
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  they are. But for me, is the individual
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  that I am, I looking like anxiety and I'm, like, that's
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  not exciting. I never called it anxiety as
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  called like, oh, that's a weird stupid feeling, and I hate it.
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  But, you know, I've done it enough.
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  I don't want enough. I know how to get over it.
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  So, you know, look, I'm going to remove myself and I'm going to
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  deal with the anxiety. I'm going to the airport hop on
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  a plane. Flights in hours of Sweden and
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  just have a really great time. We're really good-looking girl,
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  because why not? Why not do that?
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  Yeah. Why don't they do?
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  I know? Absolutely.
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  So this is this is kind of like living on some of my last and
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  final question. For this this cool video up.
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  Those kind of like, you know, from recovery from having a
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  burnout of experiencing burnout. What do you say?
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  Would be good and safe working strategies.
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  Like how would it be that? Would it be like taking that
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  time and having like an excessive reward like a vacation
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  or I think Well, I think a lot of ways you have to also
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  acknowledge that burnout is always going to be part of the
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  process, right? I would say.
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  Probably the biggest thing that I've, ER, because I come from a
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  very interesting family where my parents for two different
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  Generations. Like 16 might, they're 16 years
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  in Asia part. So it's really cool to have like
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  that perspective. They both got along really well
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  to get along really well, but my stepfather was definitely like,
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  you know, where you take, you got to grab Life by the balls,
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  right? He comes from a generation that
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  is what that is, but my mother came from like kind of posts
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  hippie. P generation.
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  So C is more of a gentle type person.
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  And so I, when I do with burnout, are when I go in a
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  thing that kind of makes me afraid, or it's going to stress
• 18:53
  me out. I don't get, I mean, I do get, I
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  will get discouraged for a moment, but I don't let that
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  turn me off. Right?
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  And I think what a lot of Critters from my observation and
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  this can people, I've known they get so emotionally invested in
• 19:09
  what they do that when they get burnt.
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  Out big complete, get skirts or burnt down 2% burnt, right, but
• 19:18
  when I look at him getting burnt out, I'm like, okay, that's
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  good. Because you know, every great
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  Forest is born from a forest fire.
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  This is what it is. So you got to burn that shit
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  out. Got to get rid of all the stuff.
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  That doesn't. Yeah, if it doesn't work, get
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  rid of it. Yeah.
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  Embrace it. No, but still it's like a
• 19:38
  Embrace but you can't ignore. Right?
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  So like it it's just a fact of the model but also the safe ways
• 19:44
  of doing and I think that you're absolutely right and some great
• 19:47
  advice actually the I'm still amazed by the whole Skype
• 19:50
  conversation thing. Such a simple thing that I've
• 19:52
  even done and I didn't even think about doing it, you know
• 19:54
  for work or my goodness. Come on down, you know, she's
• 19:57
  anything right Zach. Thank you so much for taking
• 19:59
  this time to have this discussion me.
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  I think that's gonna be super beneficial for every listening
• 20:03
  on the podcast. I'm on YouTube.
• 20:04
  Right now. And I think that this is just a
• 20:06
  great episode and you're doing a video on your own channel on you
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  ever autism or something very soon, maybe tomorrow or the day
• 20:12
  after or something. Yes, definitely.
• 20:15
  Within the next 24, 48 hours. It's yeah, you know, I've always
• 20:22
  been open about it, but I think, you know, for a lot of people,
• 20:26
  you know, who wants to your mama Channel, they not quite aware
• 20:29
  who exactly makes that type of show.
• 20:32
  And yeah, yeah, very cool too. I think the fans would really
• 20:36
  appreciate it. Yeah, me too.
• 20:37
  Did I think? Like, you'll be surprised.
• 20:39
  I always feel like people, like, I watch certain shows and then I
• 20:42
  realized that the people who make the shows are on the
• 20:44
  Spectrum are thinking. I wonder, I was so excited - all
• 20:47
  right. So you're going to have a huge
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  amount of people. We like the end of the spectrum.
• 20:50
  It's awesome. Like I think it's awesome that
• 20:52
  it really is awesome. Anyway, right?
• 20:56
  Chuck. Thanks so much fun on the show
• 20:57
  when you're awesome. I'll thank you for having me.
• 20:59
  I appreciate it. Anytime buddy.
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  All right, take it. Precision.
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