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Rachel Wilson vs NotSoErudite: It's fiat not feminism that killed the family! · Honey Badger Radio

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  Speaker 1: Good morning, good afternoon, good evening, wherever you may be.
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  Speaker 1: to Honey Badger Radio. My name is Brian. I'm here
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  Speaker 1: with Allison. And this is Maintaining Frame. Rachel Wilson versus
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  Speaker 1: Not So Erudite. It's flat. It's fiat, not feminism, that
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  Speaker 1: killed the family. We're going to be performing an inquisition
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  Speaker 2: That's an interesting term.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: All right. But let's, do you want to just start
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  Speaker 2: by replaying?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, well, we're going to, yeah, we're going to play
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  Speaker 1: a little bit. So this is a debate in case
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  Speaker 1: you guys are new here between Kyla and And I
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  Speaker 1: already forgot her last name, but it's not that important. Kyla,
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  Speaker 1: who is also known on the internet as Not So Erudite,
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  Speaker 1: and Rachel Wilson. And they're debating whether or not feminism
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  Speaker 1: is doing more good or harm. And the tactic that Kyla,
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  Speaker 1: Not So Erudite, is putting forward, well, it started off
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  Speaker 1: with things like, well, if it weren't for feminism, you
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  Speaker 1: wouldn't be able to be here and, you know, do
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  Speaker 1: a debate. You wouldn't be able to own a credit card.
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  Speaker 1: You wouldn't be able to own a property. You wouldn't
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  Speaker 1: be able to start a business. You wouldn't be able
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  Speaker 1: to get an education. The usual stuff that they bring
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  Speaker 1: up that's all bullshit. And so that wasn't working. And
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  Speaker 1: so Rachel basically said her focus seems to be on
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  Speaker 1: the birth rate. I don't think it's the worst thing.
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  Speaker 1: I think that it's something that we do need to
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  Speaker 1: keep society going. But it's sort of like her primary focus.
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  Speaker 1: And so because of that, Kyla is grappling onto this
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  Speaker 1: as an opportunity for her to make it about something else.
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  Speaker 1: So she's basically trying, oh, it's not because of feminism.
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  Speaker 1: It's because of McGold standard getting off of, you know,
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  Speaker 1: currency and these other things. It couldn't possibly be feminism.
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  Speaker 1: It has to be all these other factors, right? So
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  Speaker 1: that's where they're at right now in the debate.
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  Speaker 2: I would respect if she was actually genuinely engaging in
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  Speaker 2: with the economic argument, but I don't feel like she is.
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  Speaker 2: I feel like this is just a series of gotchas.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. That's yeah. Yeah. Well, that's all these people have is,
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  Speaker 1: is they, all they have is rhetoric. They don't, they
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  Speaker 1: don't actually want to stand on like, That's why they don't,
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  Speaker 1: they never, have you noticed that they never tell you
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  Speaker 1: like a rock solid solution? Like here's a plan, here's
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  Speaker 1: what you should do. It's always, well, what we should
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  Speaker 1: do is we should have conversations about conversations, about conversations.
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  Speaker 1: And it's like a constantly swirling down the toilet hole
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  Speaker 1: very slowly. But they don't offer anything substantial because if
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  Speaker 1: they do, if they say, here is my, you know, solution.
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  Speaker 1: then it opens them up to have their solutions observed
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  Speaker 1: to see if they're practical and if they work. And
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  Speaker 1: of course, if these people even know what the problem is,
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  Speaker 1: which they don't. So that's why they play rhetorical games,
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  Speaker 1: because like most online debate feminist types, they're just there
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  Speaker 1: to increase their clout, raise their status, and make some money.
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  Speaker 1: And I think that's what Kylo's doing, so.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, all fine goals, as long as you
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  Speaker 2: have something actually worth contending with. I mean, the real
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  Speaker 2: problem is that they morally impugn their critics. They don't
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  Speaker 2: present anything that can actually be examined. And they're creating
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  Speaker 2: the disease in a lot of the cases that they
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  Speaker 2: then say they're curing. And when you talk about... having
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  Speaker 2: a conversation about the conversation. It just comes to mind
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  Speaker 2: the feminist-derived psychology of men and masculinities field, which puts
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  Speaker 2: probably close to a quarter of a billion dollars each,
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  Speaker 2: probably each year, if you consider the Movember funding, which
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  Speaker 2: has been basically taken over by that ideology. They put
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  Speaker 2: that much money into having a conversation about getting men
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  Speaker 2: to seek help. You know how much money they put
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  Speaker 2: into creating help for men to seek?
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  Speaker 1: Right? Almost zero. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: It's not none. Although I still have to go through
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  Speaker 2: all this.
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  Speaker 1: Well, how much of what little actually is supposedly going
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  Speaker 1: to men ends up going somewhere along the bureaucratic pipeline
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  Speaker 1: of into the pockets of people who actually, you know,
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  Speaker 1: are just going to take the money.
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  Speaker 2: Almost all of it.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: I'll be quite frank. Almost all of it. Like, uh, that, that,
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  Speaker 2: that quarter of a billion dollars is not going to mend. It's, it's,
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  Speaker 2: it's going to rent seeking and conversations about conversations. And, uh,
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  Speaker 2: the re and if I just restrict it to November,
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  Speaker 2: cause I haven't done every single individual organization that throws
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  Speaker 2: its hat and supposedly, uh, helping men to learn to
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  Speaker 2: seek the help that they don't bother to fund. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: they stopped doing anything practical for men's mental health in 2016. Sure, yeah.
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  Speaker 2: They still put a little bit of funds towards prostate
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  Speaker 2: cancer and other stuff like that.
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  Speaker 1: So they can say they're doing it, yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, so they can say they're doing it. And because
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  Speaker 2: there's probably no political conflict with doing that. But in
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  Speaker 2: terms of actually providing mental health services, no conflict. Last
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  Speaker 2: time they did was in 2016. Yeah. And now they
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  Speaker 2: just tell men, they just go, they hire influencers to
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  Speaker 2: do promotions on encouraging men to seek help. It's like,
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  Speaker 2: I don't like comparing this to CAFE, the Canadian, well, sorry,
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  Speaker 2: the Canadian Center for Men and Families. They have like
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  Speaker 2: less than a million dollar budget and they do tons
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  Speaker 2: of services for men. Right. It's crazy amount of services for,
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  Speaker 2: for the money that they get. And Movember has a
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  Speaker 2: quarter of a billion dollar budget somewhere around there. I
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  Speaker 2: know it's definitely in the multiple hundreds of millions and
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  Speaker 2: they do fucking all. So just, it came to mind
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  Speaker 2: when you were talking about conversations about conversations, I know
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  Speaker 2: this is, this is actually is related, but it's related
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  Speaker 2: in a way that requires a lot of steps. So
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  Speaker 2: why don't we bring it back to the argument and, uh,
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  Speaker 2: Shall we just start with either a.
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  Speaker 1: Summary of erudites? Well, no, I'm going to play. I'm
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  Speaker 1: just going to play this. Let them speak with their
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  Speaker 1: own words. Just erudite.
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  Speaker 2: Speak with their own mouths.
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  Speaker 3: Yes.
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  Speaker 1: Erudite.
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  Speaker 3: Yep.
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  Speaker 2: And we'll see what they say. I know.
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  Speaker 3: How many of you would prefer your wife to go
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  Speaker 3: to work and your children to be raised in daycare
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  Speaker 3: so that you can work less? None.
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  Speaker 2: None.
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  Speaker 4: Of course not.
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  Speaker 5: Exactly.
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  Speaker 4: So. They prefer to be home with their kids as well.
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  Speaker 4: I suspect they would probably prefer to be able to
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  Speaker 4: know your kid's first words. You don't want to watch
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  Speaker 4: your kid walk for the first time? You don't want
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  Speaker 4: to be there? You just want it on film footage
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  Speaker 4: because you're at work?
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  Speaker 3: Andrew worked 60, 70 hour weeks for 12 years and
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  Speaker 3: still was a very.
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  Speaker 6: you know, integral part of the kid's life.
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  Speaker 4: Well, the issue is it's not a critique of dads
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  Speaker 4: and saying that you guys are bad dads. I think
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  Speaker 4: you guys are probably excellent dads who love your kids.
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  Speaker 4: And in fact, you're working to provide for your kids.
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  Speaker 4: But this idea that mom stays home.
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  Speaker 2: Rachel, make a point.
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  Speaker 1: No.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, I know I'm bad for this, but at
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  Speaker 2: least I'm not doing it in an official capacity or semi-official. Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Okay.
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  Speaker 2: Well, let's go on this tangent.
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  Speaker 4: Dad works. It is denying you guys the ability to
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  Speaker 4: spend time with your children. You are trading it. Do
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  Speaker 4: you know what the number one regret of all men
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  Speaker 4: in hospice? Do you know what the number one regret
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  Speaker 4: is of all men in hospice? Not spending enough time
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  Speaker 4: with their kids.
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  Speaker 2: It is.
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  Speaker 1: All right.
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  Speaker 2: I got to get in there, Brian. I got to
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  Speaker 2: get in this. All right. Because there's a bunch of
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  Speaker 2: things that need to be unpacked here. First of all,
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  Speaker 2: according to feminists, the number one regret for women in
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  Speaker 2: hospice is getting married and having children. So, you know,
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  Speaker 2: your grandma wishes you'd ever were born. At least according
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  Speaker 2: to feminists. I know it's a little bit biased, so
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  Speaker 2: that may not be true, but it's also not improbable.
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  Speaker 2: Your grandfather regrets not being able to spend more time
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  Speaker 2: with his family. Your grandmother regrets that you ever... existed
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  Speaker 2: in the first place because she would have preferred to
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  Speaker 2: spend more times watching Cats, you know, the musical. And
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  Speaker 2: I'm actually quoting something that we covered here on Honey
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  Speaker 2: Badger Radio. I believe we did anyway. A little bit
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  Speaker 2: of a blur now. But the other thing is that
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  Speaker 2: what she's saying is, What Kyla is saying here is
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  Speaker 2: completely false based on the statistics on income and work.
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  Speaker 2: The cultures or the subcultures that actually credit men for
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  Speaker 2: provision expect less. Mm-hmm. And the men who have homemakers,
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  Speaker 2: and I'm not endorsing the lifestyle, so I have my
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  Speaker 2: own critique of it, but I'll be honest, based on
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  Speaker 2: the statistics, they work less than other men. So she's
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  Speaker 2: talking to these men and she's saying, oh, wouldn't you
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  Speaker 2: want a working, and this is specifically what she's saying,
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  Speaker 2: wouldn't you want a working wife in order to be
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  Speaker 2: able to spend more time with your kids?
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  Speaker 1: Mm-hmm.
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  Speaker 2: In complete ignorance of the statistical reality of how these
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  Speaker 2: families are arranged, if you are a feminist man, because
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  Speaker 2: that's what she's saying men should be, they should be feminists,
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  Speaker 2: they should want this particular lifestyle, you are probably not
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  Speaker 2: gonna have kids. So talking about whether or not you
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  Speaker 2: wanna spend more time with them is a moot point
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  Speaker 2: because men on the left are less likely to have
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  Speaker 2: kids in the first place, significantly less likely. But even
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  Speaker 2: after that, they still have a substantial provision expectation. And
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  Speaker 2: in fact, even to get into the relationship, into a marriage,
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  Speaker 2: which they do later, which is why their fertility is
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  Speaker 2: so much less, they have to earn more than a conservative.
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  Speaker 2: So she's saying, oh, wouldn't you want to be a
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  Speaker 2: feminist man because you're going to get time with your kids,
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  Speaker 2: it's going to be more privileged? Nonsense! Women on the
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  Speaker 2: left are even more, they have even higher standards for
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  Speaker 2: provision than women on the right, or church-going women in particular.
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  Speaker 2: Because when you control for church-going, both moderate and conservative
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  Speaker 2: men have the same level of income to be married.
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  Speaker 2: So a lot of it is based on being part
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  Speaker 2: of a culture that still shames women for their pride,
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  Speaker 2: their vanity, their envy, and their status-seeking. as you know
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  Speaker 2: what were they called the um the seven sins seven
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  Speaker 2: deadly sins you still have a concept of that yeah
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  Speaker 2: uh but anyway so these so what she's saying is
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  Speaker 2: oh wouldn't you want a wife who works who's a
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  Speaker 2: feminist because you're going to get a better deal you're
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  Speaker 2: going to be expected to earn less no you're going
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  Speaker 2: to be expected to earn more you're going to be
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  Speaker 2: you're going to be allowed to have more time with
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  Speaker 2: your children what children yeah essentially when you sign on
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  Speaker 2: to be a man on the left or a feminist man,
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  Speaker 2: you sign on to use your income for her lifestyle expectations,
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  Speaker 2: not to have more access to your children, which you
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  Speaker 2: may not even have. That's not where it goes, guys.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know if you noticed, but feminism is incredibly selfish.
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  Speaker 2: So when you end up with a feminist woman, her
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  Speaker 2: income goes to her lifestyle. It doesn't go to affording
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  Speaker 2: you more time with your kids. And also you have
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  Speaker 2: to have more of it to even be considered by
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  Speaker 2: her as marriageable. So I just wanted to point that
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  Speaker 2: out there. So right off the bat, we're on this
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  Speaker 2: weird tangent where she's trying to pretend like feminist women
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  Speaker 2: are some kind of boon to men. They're not. Okay,
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  Speaker 2: let's continue. Hopefully Rachel will.
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  Speaker 1: Get to it. I just want to add one other
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  Speaker 1: thing to this. I think it's, I think it's, let's
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  Speaker 1: say imprecise for not so erudite to try and use
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  Speaker 1: this statistic about men in hospice. I would imagine that
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  Speaker 1: everyone in hospice wishes they could spend time with the
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  Speaker 1: people they love, no matter how much time they spent
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  Speaker 1: with them in life, because they know their life is
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  Speaker 1: coming to an end. So it's kind of ridiculous. Like,
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  Speaker 1: what guy in hospice is like, oh man, I wish
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  Speaker 1: I could have played through Metal Gear Solid one more time.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, I don't think there are any, but there
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  Speaker 1: might be some. But my point is, if you had
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  Speaker 1: family and children and grandchildren and you've built all that
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  Speaker 1: and you've spent all the time in the world with them,
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  Speaker 1: every moment you were able to give... When you're on
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  Speaker 1: death's door, you still wish you could spend more time
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  Speaker 1: with your kids. It has nothing to do with supposedly
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  Speaker 1: being unable to be involved. And remember, she just completely
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  Speaker 1: ignored that Rachel said that Andrew worked 60 hour weeks
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  Speaker 1: and still spent time with his kids and was very involved.
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  Speaker 1: She just ignored that because believe it or not, a
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  Speaker 1: man who is involved with his children will make time
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  Speaker 1: for his children. Like, They will, okay? This idea, this argument,
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  Speaker 1: it doesn't work. And again, if you're on your deathbed
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  Speaker 1: and you're surrounded by nurses and shit, maybe, first of all,
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  Speaker 1: that might be one of the reasons why you wish
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  Speaker 1: you could spend some time with kids because maybe you
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  Speaker 1: didn't have any and that's why you're being watched by
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  Speaker 1: people who don't know you. But even if you did
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  Speaker 1: and you're in hospice because your family members can't help you, like,
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  Speaker 1: I know a guy from my church who.
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  Speaker 1: His name was Lou. I think I brought him up
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  Speaker 1: once before. He was 95 years old and he would,
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  Speaker 1: and he was a great guy, you know? And I, I,
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  Speaker 1: I met him at church and I would go and
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  Speaker 1: I'd see him and we, I'd chat with him cause
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  Speaker 1: he was so old. And I, and I figured, you know,
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  Speaker 1: this guy's like seen a lot, you know? And he's,
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  Speaker 1: and he would tell me about his wife who had
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  Speaker 1: passed away a few years before and like how much
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  Speaker 1: he missed her. Now, is that because he didn't spend
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  Speaker 1: time with her when they were together or No. Now
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  Speaker 1: he's gone. He did pass away like in the last
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  Speaker 1: month or so. And I'm pretty sure he had like
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  Speaker 1: kids and grandkids and great grandkids. And I'm sure that
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  Speaker 1: on his deathbed, he was probably like, I wish I
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  Speaker 1: could see them one more time because that's what all of,
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  Speaker 1: that's a human thing. So I'm just saying that that's
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  Speaker 1: kind of, to me, that falls flat on its face
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  Speaker 1: to say, oh yeah, people who are about to die,
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  Speaker 1: they miss people they know in life. Yeah, no shit.
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  Speaker 1: You know? And look, it's sad, but it's going to
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  Speaker 1: happen to all of us. Like we're going to get
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  Speaker 1: to a point where we're going to be on our
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  Speaker 1: deathbed and we're going to be thinking about like how
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  Speaker 1: we wish we could have spent more time with this
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  Speaker 1: person or that person. But that's not because you did
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  Speaker 1: something wrong in life. That's probably just because, again, there's
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  Speaker 1: just not enough time. There's never enough time. So it's
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  Speaker 1: just kind of like, and it's a little bit gross
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  Speaker 1: to even try to invoke that. But anyway, that's just me.
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  Speaker 3: All right.
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  Speaker 1: So let's keep going.
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  Speaker 4: And why is because they are told, particularly from this side,
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  Speaker 4: that you're not a good enough man if you're not
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  Speaker 4: solely providing for your family.
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  Speaker 1: That's bullshit because it's the women on your side that
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  Speaker 1: demand so much from men. Again, she's just lying. Just
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  Speaker 1: lying through her teeth.
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  Speaker 2: Well, she just doesn't know. Honestly, the stuff that I'm
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  Speaker 2: looking at, this isn't stuff that's published anywhere. The work
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  Speaker 2: that I'm doing is completely original research. And they don't
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  Speaker 2: publish it, probably because it is damning. It is really damning.
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  Speaker 2: And it also, when you project forward the situation in
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  Speaker 2: terms of marriage, it's like, what are we all investing in?
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  Speaker 2: This is the thing we need. This is a problem.
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  Speaker 2: I project forward to when people, like kids today, will
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  Speaker 2: be 45, so in 2070. We're not gonna have marriage
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  Speaker 2: in 2070 if we keep going along this route. And
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  Speaker 2: at that point, it's like, well, what are we all
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  Speaker 2: working for if we don't fix this problem? People invest
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  Speaker 2: in a culture for a reason. Maybe they wanna be
• 18:37
  Speaker 2: remembered for something or they wanna invest in something that
• 18:40
  Speaker 2: will be remembered. And if we don't fix the crisis
• 18:43
  Speaker 2: in marriage, We're not going to be. We're a failed civilization.
• 18:48
  Speaker 2: We're a ruin. Arguing over basically bullshit. Where the deck
• 18:56
  Speaker 2: chairs are going to go on the Titanic. And I
• 18:59
  Speaker 2: know that's depressing, but we need to start developing the
• 19:02
  Speaker 2: political will to solve this problem because it directly impacts
• 19:07
  Speaker 2: the worth of everybody's actions right now in our culture
• 19:12
  Speaker 2: and the decisions that we make. I mean, doesn't it
• 19:16
  Speaker 2: change what you're thinking and what you're deciding when you
• 19:19
  Speaker 2: know that you're basically contributing to a sinking ship? Does
• 19:27
  Speaker 2: it develop the political will to do something about the
• 19:29
  Speaker 2: sinking ship as opposed to everything else that we do,
• 19:33
  Speaker 2: what we talk about in our politics? But yeah, she
• 19:36
  Speaker 2: doesn't know about it, probably. She doesn't care to look.
• 19:41
  Speaker 1: Well, yeah, I mean, I think that's just as bad.
• 19:43
  Speaker 1: It's like, well, maybe she doesn't know, but she's also
• 19:46
  Speaker 1: not trying to figure it out. But she wants to
• 19:48
  Speaker 1: argue in that she wants to argue. to make an
• 19:50
  Speaker 1: argument that involves this data. And of course... Oh, I agree.
• 19:55
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Yes. And she wants to make these arguments with
• 19:59
  Speaker 2: ignorance of the actual data. Which, you know, I guess
• 20:03
  Speaker 2: it's an internet argument. What can you expect? But still, like,
• 20:08
  Speaker 2: I mean... Does she have no curiosity about what she's
• 20:10
  Speaker 2: actually talking about? And where is her authority coming from
• 20:14
  Speaker 2: if she hasn't done the research? And I mean, yes,
• 20:18
  Speaker 2: I can understand the ignorance because basically there's one Princeton
• 20:22
  Speaker 2: study from 2011 on the destruction of marriage and giving
• 20:29
  Speaker 2: us a little glimpse into what the thing, the monster
• 20:33
  Speaker 2: from the id that's destroying marriage. And other than that,
• 20:36
  Speaker 2: it's complete silence, complete silence on what will end our civilization.
• 20:43
  Speaker 2: What's going to destroy it? I mean, there are other
• 20:47
  Speaker 2: things that will probably hit quicker, but they're basically just
• 20:51
  Speaker 2: a twinned element, like a fellow traveler of the devaluing
• 20:57
  Speaker 2: of men in marriage, which is the devaluing of men
• 21:00
  Speaker 2: in the economy. But let's listen to some more.
• 21:03
  Speaker 1: All right.
• 21:06
  Speaker 4: Even though the reality is that the corporate elites at
• 21:08
  Speaker 4: the top have made it damn near impossible for you
• 21:11
  Speaker 4: to do so on one income. What is upper middle
• 21:15
  Speaker 4: class right now? I think it's like $ 93, 000 in certain states.
• 21:17
  Speaker 4: That's a lot of money. A lot for one person.
• 21:23
  Speaker 4: And the reality is you guys have almost no negotiating
• 21:26
  Speaker 4: wage power, mostly because we're flooding things with reduction of
• 21:29
  Speaker 4: jobs through AI. And also because, again, of this expectation
• 21:33
  Speaker 4: that you are paying the cost of fatherhood, so moms
• 21:36
  Speaker 4: get motherhood. And I don't love either of these trades.
• 21:40
  Speaker 4: What I want is a situation where families can flourish.
• 21:43
  Speaker 4: But it's not... It's not some simple, small thing. It's
• 21:48
  Speaker 4: so much more complicated than that. And if we don't
• 21:51
  Speaker 4: have the real conversations about the people pitting us against
• 21:54
  Speaker 4: each other while they're raking in millions and billions, trillions,
• 21:58
  Speaker 4: I think now, at the top, we're never going to
• 22:01
  Speaker 4: solve this issue. We're just going to keep pointing at
• 22:03
  Speaker 4: men and pointing at women and being like, it's all
• 22:05
  Speaker 4: each other's fault. It's not. It's bad antitrust law and
• 22:09
  Speaker 4: a K-shaped economy that's fucking with all of us.
• 22:12
  Speaker 2: I agree.
• 22:14
  Speaker 1: All right.
• 22:14
  Speaker 2: First of all, wasn't this Rachel's opportunity to rejoin?
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: I don't remember. But can I just say, I really despise, though.
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: It's not men and women. It's not this or that.
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: It's the elites. It's the top. That is... Class struggle rhetoric,
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: it should be rejected outright. Even if there's some truth
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: to it, I will not accept it. I will not
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: accept it. Because people at the bottom. No, no, no.
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: People at the bottom are stronger than the people at
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: the top. But the problem is people like Kyla are
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: doing tremendous damage to the people at the bottom. And
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: then saying, I'm not doing that to you. The elites
• 22:59
  Speaker 1: are doing that to you. Well, guess what? Men and
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: women are not getting married. They're not having kids. Right?
• 23:06
  Speaker 1: That's not because of fucking Bill Gates. That's because they
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: have chosen not to because the woman got it in
• 23:11
  Speaker 1: their head that being married to a man is oppression.
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: Bill Gates didn't do that to them. Okay? Or whoever.
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: I'm sure that she wouldn't say Bill Gates. She'd probably
• 23:19
  Speaker 1: say Elon Musk or something. But I'm sure that the
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: fucking Rocket guy is not the one responsible for the birthright.
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: In fact, he was one of the people calling it out. But,
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: you know, I'm just saying this is all a distraction because, again,
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: she's all about the rhetoric. Look, guys, let's not do
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: the gender war thing. It's a distraction from the elites,
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: the freaking elites, guys. No. No, we're doing this right now.
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: We can't settle anything else until we handle what's happening
• 23:46
  Speaker 1: at the bottom floor. So, yeah.
• 23:49
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm going to go to a different direction with this.
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 23:55
  Speaker 2: And I'm going to say that... I think Bill Gates
• 23:59
  Speaker 2: might be responsible for some of the birth rate decline
• 24:02
  Speaker 2: with his policies. And I think we can lay some.
• 24:07
  Speaker 1: Of this at the feet of the law. What policies
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: did Bill Gates pass? Does Bill Gates have policy power?
• 24:13
  Speaker 2: Well, not policy. Well, like some of his funding initiatives.
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: Yeah, sure. I'm sure that rich people invest in this shit.
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: But again, at the end of the day, Allison, human
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: beings make choices. This is the shit that Natty used
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: to say. She would tell me, oh, Elon Musk is
• 24:31
  Speaker 1: a transhumanist fucking technocrat. And he's going to force your
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: brain into a jar. And he's going to make you
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: live forever. And you're going to reach singularity. And I'm like,
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: he'll have to fucking kill me then. Like, if that's
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: even true. Because at the end of the day... I
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: make a choice. I can say, yes, I'll go along
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: with this or not, right? So, yes, maybe Bill Gates
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: is throwing billions of dollars at feminist research and feminist advocacy.
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: Probably true. But women, at the end of the day,
• 24:59
  Speaker 1: and men, they end up supporting that shit. And that's
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: the level that it has to get cut off at. So, yeah,
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: I mean, powerful people are going to try. Yeah, we
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: just need to say no. at the end of the day,
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: there will always be rich and powerful people that are
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: trying to control the masses. Okay. There's not much we
• 25:19
  Speaker 1: can do unless you want to go out and do
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: the fucking, you know, uh, become like Luigi Mangione, but I.
• 25:25
  Speaker 2: Don't powerful people. Yeah.
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: You get some on your side in the government. Yeah. Sure.
• 25:30
  Speaker 2: To go control those other rich and powerful people.
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: Oh, look at that.
• 25:34
  Speaker 2: They're colluding. To create Fed backstopping.
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: At the end of the day, again, all of that,
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: I can grant all of that. At the end of
• 25:42
  Speaker 1: the day, human beings at the bottom level, they make
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: a choice to support or resist the, you know, whatever
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: it is that's going on. But... I will not stand
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: shoulder to shoulder with someone who doesn't care about the
• 25:57
  Speaker 1: future of my species and wants to see it shrink
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: into nothing because they also have a problem with freaking elites.
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: And I'm like, well, look, I have a problem with
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: your ideology. I want to destroy that. Then we can
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: move on from there. Once like feminism is completely burned
• 26:17
  Speaker 1: ash and nobody like has any respect for it at all.
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: And people are like realizing that men are human beings
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: and they actually like, you know, are not dangerous and
• 26:26
  Speaker 1: they're not scary. And that children and family is good
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: because we want to keep everything running. Once we have
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: that established for like, I don't know, a couple of generations,
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: then maybe we can start looking at like what's going
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: on at the top levels with like you know, fraud
• 26:41
  Speaker 1: and graft and all these other things. But we can't
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: do it now because men and women can't even like,
• 26:47
  Speaker 1: you know, agree on what's true. So like the freaking
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: elites conversation is pointless. And again, it's class struggle rhetoric
• 26:55
  Speaker 1: BS that she has no intention of actually addressing, because
• 26:59
  Speaker 1: she even said, well, this is the problem, and the
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: solution is something, but not the thing we're doing right now.
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: We shouldn't be debating. She doesn't have a solution, because
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: she's not supposed to present one.
• 27:11
  Speaker 2: Sort of. She has a solution. It's government action, I'm guessing.
• 27:17
  Speaker 1: The right kinds of government is the good government, not
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: the bad government.
• 27:21
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and apparently completely ignorant to the fact that that
• 27:25
  Speaker 2: never happens. Right. It's all the government always lands on
• 27:30
  Speaker 2: the side of big business. Right. So good luck. Good
• 27:34
  Speaker 2: luck with that. But I would like to actually address
• 27:38
  Speaker 2: the argument that she's making, because what she's doing is
• 27:41
  Speaker 2: she's doing all little old feminism. You're attacking little old feminism. Oh,
• 27:46
  Speaker 2: you're just attacking us. Oh, but we're the underdog. We're
• 27:50
  Speaker 2: we're just this little thing. No, you're not. Absolutely not.
• 27:55
  Speaker 2: And this idea that you can separate feminism from the elite,
• 28:01
  Speaker 2: which is something that Rachel brings up because of the
• 28:04
  Speaker 2: Ford Foundation, also Carnegie and Rockefeller, as well as the government,
• 28:08
  Speaker 2: of course, all funded this stuff.
• 28:12
  Speaker 1: Sure.
• 28:12
  Speaker 2: All funded this ideology. And you can look at it
• 28:17
  Speaker 2: in the funding records. So the idea that you can
• 28:21
  Speaker 2: actually separate this ideology... from the people who founded it,
• 28:26
  Speaker 2: who were billionaires, at least of their time. Right?
• 28:31
  Speaker 1: No.
• 28:33
  Speaker 2: Little old feminism is a pet project of the very
• 28:37
  Speaker 2: elites that she calls out. So you can't extract the two.
• 28:42
  Speaker 2: They come together. They are paired. And she's trying to
• 28:46
  Speaker 2: pretend that, in other words, the elite project to... destroy
• 28:53
  Speaker 2: the relationship between men and women and destroy men's identities
• 28:59
  Speaker 2: is just, it's, it's, it's not an elite project. It's
• 29:03
  Speaker 2: just little old feminism, the little engine that could, right?
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 29:09
  Speaker 2: Yeah. No, you guys said we're going to destroy marriage
• 29:13
  Speaker 2: and you did right. And trying to deflect onto elite actors, Right.
• 29:23
  Speaker 2: And trying to say, no, we're separate from that. It's them.
• 29:26
  Speaker 2: They did that by ruining the economy. Well, yeah. They
• 29:31
  Speaker 2: used feminism to ruin the economy, though. That was their
• 29:35
  Speaker 2: instrument or one of them. Well, a main one, at
• 29:38
  Speaker 2: least the one that justified it and instigated it. the
• 29:40
  Speaker 2: firewall and prevented a lot of the actual solution or
• 29:46
  Speaker 2: enabled a lot of the damage. But yeah, the point
• 29:50
  Speaker 2: that I want to address is she's doing an aw
• 29:53
  Speaker 2: shucks feminism. When feminism is in like thieves with the
• 29:58
  Speaker 2: elites that she's calling out. Now, maybe not Musk, but
• 30:03
  Speaker 2: certainly others and ones that came before him. But anyway,
• 30:08
  Speaker 2: let's continue.
• 30:09
  Speaker 1: All right.
• 30:11
  Speaker 4: Breathe with the problems you outline. It's not good. It
• 30:14
  Speaker 4: is a problem, but it's not feminism.
• 30:19
  Speaker 2: Well, thank you. Thank you for asserting that.
• 30:23
  Speaker 1: Everything is true, but we didn't do it. When they
• 30:28
  Speaker 1: say the freaking elites, by the way, they're talking about patriarchy.
• 30:31
  Speaker 1: So she's just going to say it's patriarchy that did this.
• 30:35
  Speaker 2: All right.
• 30:36
  Speaker 1: Which is weird because patriarchy also wants to force women
• 30:38
  Speaker 1: to have kids. But I guess it's also forcing women
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: not to have kids. Patriarchy is a very confusing thing.
• 30:46
  Speaker 3: So you might remember in my opening how I said
• 30:48
  Speaker 3: that one third of all American men are not in
• 30:51
  Speaker 3: the workforce. It's a historic low male participation rate.
• 30:55
  Speaker 6: Do you know why? It's not just automation.
• 30:58
  Speaker 3: It's that most of these men have no prospect of
• 31:01
  Speaker 3: marriage or family that they can see. And so they
• 31:05
  Speaker 3: don't see any point. And they're going to stay at
• 31:07
  Speaker 3: home and live in mom's basement and play video games
• 31:10
  Speaker 3: where they can at least pretend to be winning the
• 31:12
  Speaker 3: game of life. Men need challenge. They need to be
• 31:15
  Speaker 3: able to go out into the world and overcome and
• 31:18
  Speaker 3: become who they are. That's what being a man is.
• 31:20
  Speaker 3: And when you send all the women to work and
• 31:22
  Speaker 3: tell them, Don't get married.
• 31:24
  Speaker 6: That's dangerous.
• 31:25
  Speaker 3: You'll get abused, which, by the way, is a total
• 31:26
  Speaker 3: myth and a complete lie. All we did with no-fault
• 31:29
  Speaker 3: divorce was shift the pool of abuse from married women
• 31:33
  Speaker 3: to women living with their boyfriend. You are 40% more
• 31:37
  Speaker 3: likely to be abused in a cohabitative relationship than you
• 31:40
  Speaker 3: are if you're a married woman. And what has happened
• 31:44
  Speaker 3: is There's no true solutions. This pie in the sky, like, oh,
• 31:47
  Speaker 3: we'll just have UBI and socialism, and then everyone can
• 31:50
  Speaker 3: stay home with the kids, and.
• 31:52
  Speaker 6: Everybody can just work part time.
• 31:55
  Speaker 3: Again, if you value this first world high standard of living,
• 31:58
  Speaker 3: that's not going to happen without the men that go
• 32:01
  Speaker 3: out there and make it happen. And everything you enjoy
• 32:04
  Speaker 3: about this first world standard of living was built by
• 32:06
  Speaker 3: men who were willing to risk death to get the
• 32:09
  Speaker 3: girl and have the family and go out there and
• 32:13
  Speaker 3: risk something and build great things that took multiple generations
• 32:17
  Speaker 3: to build.
• 32:18
  Speaker 6: For their future, for their children.
• 32:21
  Speaker 3: And if you're not going to give them children and
• 32:23
  Speaker 3: you're not going to marry them, they have no incentive
• 32:25
  Speaker 3: to do that.
• 32:27
  Speaker 6: That's where the problem is.
• 32:28
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 32:31
  Speaker 1: Do you have any issues with what Rachel said there?
• 32:36
  Speaker 1: Or should we just keep going?
• 32:38
  Speaker 2: I think it's basic. I mean, it's going from a
• 32:41
  Speaker 2: different direction than I necessarily would, but I can't see
• 32:45
  Speaker 2: anything wrong with it. I mean, it's true. men are
• 32:49
  Speaker 2: primarily responsible for the work that gets society running, that
• 32:54
  Speaker 2: runs society. And as long as they have no, when
• 32:59
  Speaker 2: you look at the marriage statistics and it's, it's unavoidable,
• 33:02
  Speaker 2: you look at that and you're like, what the hell
• 33:04
  Speaker 2: am I investing in, in this situation? Yeah. Like it. And,
• 33:10
  Speaker 2: and it's not, it's not that you, it's not investing
• 33:13
  Speaker 2: in humans. Like you don't want society to continue, but
• 33:16
  Speaker 2: if this problem isn't fixed, everything we do is just empty.
• 33:23
  Speaker 2: Like we're, we're, we're, we're being part of something that,
• 33:26
  Speaker 2: and you know, like ultimately in the vast crush of time,
• 33:31
  Speaker 2: I suppose, you know, things are empty, but isn't it
• 33:35
  Speaker 2: important at least not die because you're an idiot, right?
• 33:39
  Speaker 2: Do we have to Darwin award our entire civilization? Is
• 33:44
  Speaker 2: that the way we go? can't we go with a
• 33:46
  Speaker 2: little more dignity you know in our time um but
• 33:50
  Speaker 2: yeah that's so i know i don't not necessarily disagree
• 33:53
  Speaker 2: with anything she said here so let's continue i'm sure
• 33:56
  Speaker 2: she'll be interrupted shortly.
• 33:57
  Speaker 6: You still haven't addressed it.
• 34:05
  Speaker 4: Sure So lots to tackle there. One third of men
• 34:11
  Speaker 4: are not in the workplace anymore. Isn't the GDP still
• 34:13
  Speaker 4: going up? So if men are the most important for
• 34:16
  Speaker 4: that and they're the highest output and women are filling
• 34:18
  Speaker 4: in all those spots, why is our GDP still increasing
• 34:21
  Speaker 4: while men's workplace participation is decreasing? Is that maybe because
• 34:24
  Speaker 4: women are.
• 34:25
  Speaker 2: Able to also be- Because GDP is bullshit.
• 34:27
  Speaker 1: Yeah, this is their favorite thing. It's like, oh, GDP
• 34:30
  Speaker 1: number go up. Therefore, why men no work? It's a
• 34:39
  Speaker 1: bad way to measure it. Yeah, go ahead. It includes what?
• 34:42
  Speaker 2: It includes government spending.
• 34:43
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it includes government spending, yeah. Which, like, most of
• 34:47
  Speaker 1: the jobs.
• 34:47
  Speaker 2: Well, the government can be like, you know, I want
• 34:48
  Speaker 2: the GDP to go up. Let's increase their spending.
• 34:51
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah. But anyway... And women mostly do government jobs, too.
• 34:55
  Speaker 1: So there may be more women working, but they're not
• 34:58
  Speaker 1: building anything because they're being paid by taxpayer dollars because
• 35:02
  Speaker 1: they're working government jobs. So women are taking taxpayer dollars
• 35:05
  Speaker 1: not only as welfare, but also as when they work.
• 35:10
  Speaker 1: Because if they work for the state, then they're getting
• 35:15
  Speaker 1: taxpayer dollars all the same. And men are still the
• 35:18
  Speaker 1: ones that are net paying into that, even though there's
• 35:21
  Speaker 1: fewer men working. So again, that doesn't address Rachel's question.
• 35:25
  Speaker 1: Because I think that it's true that men will be
• 35:29
  Speaker 1: more ambitious if there is a reason to. And I know...
• 35:33
  Speaker 1: There are people who watch us that are like, well,
• 35:35
  Speaker 1: you know, I work and I don't want to get married. Well,
• 35:37
  Speaker 1: good for you, but most men do. That's just a fact, guys.
• 35:41
  Speaker 1: I'm sorry. Most men, like, and I hope it's most men,
• 35:45
  Speaker 1: the overwhelming majority of men want to work and they
• 35:49
  Speaker 1: want to get married to a good woman and they
• 35:51
  Speaker 1: want to have children. That's what most men want and
• 35:53
  Speaker 1: they'll always want that. And that's not going to go away.
• 35:56
  Speaker 1: That's sort of like built into our dna it's like
• 35:59
  Speaker 1: part of what we are so if most of them
• 36:02
  Speaker 1: are not working it's probably because they see the writing
• 36:05
  Speaker 1: on the wall it's not most but there's a chunk
• 36:08
  Speaker 1: of them and they're like well i'm not going into
• 36:09
  Speaker 1: this why it's like it's too risky and i think
• 36:12
  Speaker 1: that that's the right response right so kyla doesn't have
• 36:17
  Speaker 1: a solution for that problem all she can do is
• 36:20
  Speaker 1: say well it must not be happening because gdp go
• 36:22
  Speaker 1: up i mean what else could it be It's so retarded. Okay.
• 36:31
  Speaker 2: Well, I mean, okay. So we basically have a GDP
• 36:34
  Speaker 2: that's based on positional signaling at this point rather than productivity.
• 36:39
  Speaker 2: But that just means GDP goes up because we printed it.
• 36:43
  Speaker 2: It's meaningless.
• 36:46
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's meaningless.
• 36:48
  Speaker 2: We fudge the numbers. GDP goes up, right? Everything is
• 36:53
  Speaker 2: a claim upon a claim upon a claim. It's Hayes
• 36:55
  Speaker 2: artistry all the way down. It's positional economy. And men
• 36:58
  Speaker 2: can be, they can be leaving this economy simply because
• 37:04
  Speaker 2: it's disgusting to a lot of the way that men think,
• 37:10
  Speaker 2: at least based on my research. You know, if men,
• 37:14
  Speaker 2: and this is something that's around the world, it's not
• 37:16
  Speaker 2: just post-industrial Western society. Around the world, men identify with
• 37:24
  Speaker 2: being productive, that is producing things. with their own two hands,
• 37:30
  Speaker 2: producing and protecting things. This is the foundation of the
• 37:34
  Speaker 2: male identity as discovered or as elaborated in, I think
• 37:39
  Speaker 2: it's Gilmore's, The Manhood in the Making. And he looked
• 37:43
  Speaker 2: across the world at how different groups of men established
• 37:49
  Speaker 2: what they thought manhood was. And there is a commonality
• 37:53
  Speaker 2: to all of them, which is a man gives more
• 37:56
  Speaker 2: than he takes. Like a man A man is somebody
• 38:00
  Speaker 2: who provides prosperity, somebody who provides wealth, somebody who provides
• 38:05
  Speaker 2: for his family and his community. He gives more than
• 38:08
  Speaker 2: he takes. That's a man, according to all around the world.
• 38:14
  Speaker 2: And that attitude is completely antithetical to a culture of
• 38:19
  Speaker 2: positional signaling and extraction. So you focus on the position
• 38:24
  Speaker 2: you hold and what you can extract from that position.
• 38:28
  Speaker 2: as opposed to what you can produce with your own
• 38:30
  Speaker 2: two hands. And part of the horror of this, and
• 38:36
  Speaker 2: I'm going to bring up the psychology of men and masculinities,
• 38:39
  Speaker 2: because this is the big flower, this is the big
• 38:42
  Speaker 2: fruit of feminism, is the psychology of men and masculinities field.
• 38:45
  Speaker 2: And part of the horror of that field is it
• 38:49
  Speaker 2: has taught generations of young men that the concept of
• 38:54
  Speaker 2: custodial provision, it's almost like aliened. The idea that that
• 38:59
  Speaker 2: is what men are, or how they define themselves around
• 39:03
  Speaker 2: the world, in the past, and even now, even though
• 39:07
  Speaker 2: they can't acknowledge that it's a collective male identity, that
• 39:10
  Speaker 2: men define themselves by giving more than they take, that
• 39:15
  Speaker 2: feels to, I think, a lot of young men as
• 39:17
  Speaker 2: something alien, like it's almost false in a way. And
• 39:23
  Speaker 2: yet that is the definition that men choose for themselves
• 39:26
  Speaker 2: and attempt to pursue. When they define manhood, You give
• 39:31
  Speaker 2: more than you take. Now, how do you create an
• 39:34
  Speaker 2: extractive regime based on the position you can signal and
• 39:38
  Speaker 2: what you can extract from it when most men define
• 39:42
  Speaker 2: themselves in this way and see other men in terms
• 39:45
  Speaker 2: of that definition?
• 39:46
  Speaker 4: You can't.
• 39:48
  Speaker 2: The culture just resists it. So the psychology of men
• 39:52
  Speaker 2: in masculinity field, which is derivative of feminism, changes the culture.
• 39:57
  Speaker 2: It changes how young men or men generally see themselves
• 40:01
  Speaker 2: in each other. And it changes what's valued in corporate
• 40:05
  Speaker 2: culture and government culture. And it changes it from provide
• 40:09
  Speaker 2: the thing, do the thing, protect the thing, to what's
• 40:13
  Speaker 2: my position and what can I get out of it?
• 40:17
  Speaker 2: And that's, you can lay at the feet of feminism.
• 40:20
  Speaker 2: They created that cultural change. And they did it by
• 40:25
  Speaker 2: taking men's custodial provision and saying, that is the site
• 40:29
  Speaker 2: of female oppression.
• 40:31
  Speaker 1: Right?
• 40:32
  Speaker 2: You want to destroy something? You say it harms women.
• 40:35
  Speaker 2: You want to constrain something? You want the government to
• 40:38
  Speaker 2: control something? You say it harms women. And that's what
• 40:42
  Speaker 2: they did. And that would bring me to the timeline
• 40:46
  Speaker 2: of funding by these... I'm going to use what she
• 40:51
  Speaker 2: would term the elites, the extractive elites, and the funding
• 40:55
  Speaker 2: of feminism as an ideology. But, you know, let's get
• 41:00
  Speaker 2: back into this argument.
• 41:05
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 41:06
  Speaker 2: Unless you don't want to.
• 41:07
  Speaker 1: Oh, you want me to play more? I got a
• 41:09
  Speaker 1: rumble rant really quick. No, no, no. It's okay. I
• 41:14
  Speaker 1: want to let her finish. Roboto says, for a dollar,
• 41:18
  Speaker 1: when has it ever really mattered what men want historically?
• 41:21
  Speaker 1: The upper privileged woman believes all is good because for her,
• 41:26
  Speaker 1: all is good for her. Some of it can be
• 41:29
  Speaker 1: measured by money, not all. Okay. Thank you for that.
• 41:33
  Speaker 1: I think that there is an attitude that life should
• 41:37
  Speaker 1: be a certain way that I think is a something
• 41:42
  Speaker 1: that people struggle with, but these women struggle most of all,
• 41:46
  Speaker 1: because they think that there's, it's like where the, I
• 41:48
  Speaker 1: deserve attitude comes from. Like nobody deserves anything really. Um,
• 41:53
  Speaker 1: you get what you get. We can't really help that.
• 41:55
  Speaker 1: But like, I think that this is like a, an
• 41:59
  Speaker 1: attitude of entitlement coming from women for the most part,
• 42:02
  Speaker 1: but anyway, let's keep going.
• 42:03
  Speaker 4: Workplace potentially and, and, and accommodate for some of these things.
• 42:07
  Speaker 6: We're not doing the two minutes anymore. No, there's a lag.
• 42:11
  Speaker 6: There's a lag with birth rate, too.
• 42:13
  Speaker 1: I'll defer to you, Rachel, because... Sure.
• 42:16
  Speaker 3: Well, I'll just answer this one quickly. It's something that
• 42:18
  Speaker 3: a lot of people don't understand about demographics. You can
• 42:20
  Speaker 3: have below replacement rates for quite a long time before
• 42:25
  Speaker 3: you all of a sudden hit, that's why they call
• 42:26
  Speaker 3: it a cliff. Because it'll look like, oh, and this
• 42:29
  Speaker 3: is why people say, oh, we're actually overpopulated. There's too
• 42:31
  Speaker 3: many people. And the population is still growing. It's an
• 42:37
  Speaker 3: actual delayed thing where it keeps growing. And then all
• 42:40
  Speaker 3: of a sudden, it goes, bam, and it hits this low.
• 42:43
  Speaker 3: And again, I have graphs on my phone I wasn't
• 42:46
  Speaker 3: able to put on there, but if you look at Russia,
• 42:48
  Speaker 3: South Korea, China, places that have tried this, that's exactly
• 42:51
  Speaker 3: what you see with their birth rate. It'll go up, up, up,
• 42:54
  Speaker 3: and then it'll sharp downturn and then they try to
• 42:57
  Speaker 3: get it back up and it never recovers. So it's
• 43:00
  Speaker 3: like a snowball effect. So yes, GDP is still going
• 43:03
  Speaker 3: up for now. we have maybe 30 to 50 years
• 43:07
  Speaker 3: before we hit serious trouble that we might not recover
• 43:10
  Speaker 3: from for like many generations.
• 43:12
  Speaker 2: Um, okay.
• 43:16
  Speaker 1: Do you want to say anything to that or should
• 43:18
  Speaker 1: I play, uh, Kyla's reaction or response to that? Alison,
• 43:25
  Speaker 1: are you there? Are you there? Hello? Yeah, sure.
• 43:29
  Speaker 2: I was just, I, I'm fighting the mute button. Um,
• 43:34
  Speaker 2: I think that she's being very optimistic.
• 43:37
  Speaker 1: So 30 to 40 years if we don't change it
• 43:40
  Speaker 1: is as optimistic? Yeah, that's... You think it's going to
• 43:44
  Speaker 1: be sooner than that then?
• 43:46
  Speaker 2: There are two things going on. There's the marginalization of
• 43:50
  Speaker 2: men in the economy, masculinity in the economy. And I
• 43:55
  Speaker 2: would say that the destruction of the marriage market, which
• 43:59
  Speaker 2: I focus on marriage because married people have children. If
• 44:04
  Speaker 2: you don't have marriage, you don't have children.
• 44:07
  Speaker 3: Right?
• 44:09
  Speaker 2: Everything else is secondary. Right? So the marginalization of men
• 44:13
  Speaker 2: in the economy is probably going to hit a lot
• 44:16
  Speaker 2: sooner than the marginalization of men in the marriage market
• 44:20
  Speaker 2: and the birth rate crisis. It's more like the birth
• 44:25
  Speaker 2: rate crisis is the nail in the coffin. Yeah. In
• 44:29
  Speaker 2: the coffin. But what kills the society is... this marginalization
• 44:36
  Speaker 2: of masculinity in the economy, stop being able to feed ourselves.
• 44:41
  Speaker 2: And I would say that that's, it's gonna hit faster
• 44:46
  Speaker 2: than the marriage crisis and gonna come on sooner. And
• 44:53
  Speaker 2: my hope is that that will create the conditions to
• 44:56
  Speaker 2: actually deal with the problem. I've called it the pain
• 45:00
  Speaker 2: for about eight years. It's the thing that motivates people
• 45:05
  Speaker 2: to start actually addressing the marginalization of men and masculinity,
• 45:10
  Speaker 2: which underpins all men's issues. And the hope is that
• 45:16
  Speaker 2: when the pain hits, people have the will to recognize,
• 45:21
  Speaker 2: or that's my work. I'm trying to create the body
• 45:26
  Speaker 2: of work that explains what happens, what has happened. and
• 45:32
  Speaker 2: that we will have the will to actually do the
• 45:35
  Speaker 2: changes that need to occur to solve the problem and
• 45:39
  Speaker 2: get out of the pain. And then once we do that,
• 45:44
  Speaker 2: probably the side effect is we'll have solved the marriage
• 45:47
  Speaker 2: crisis too. So it's a bit of a silver lining.
• 45:52
  Speaker 2: Maybe my version is more optimistic, but also more pessimistic
• 45:56
  Speaker 2: than Rachel's. But if we don't fix the marginalization of men,
• 46:02
  Speaker 2: as a result of feminist conjecture, then yeah, it's not
• 46:08
  Speaker 2: gonna be fun. I'll just put it that way. But
• 46:11
  Speaker 2: I mean, it's not been fun for a lot of
• 46:13
  Speaker 2: men for a long time, right? It's not been fun
• 46:16
  Speaker 2: for a lot of guys who've been basically locked out
• 46:20
  Speaker 2: of marriage and family formation, who've had to deal with
• 46:24
  Speaker 2: overt marginalization in the economy, or have had to deal
• 46:30
  Speaker 2: with false accusations, losing their children, ruinous child support, right?
• 46:35
  Speaker 2: Who've had to deal with being victims of domestic violence
• 46:39
  Speaker 2: and sexual assault with no services, like all of these
• 46:42
  Speaker 2: other forms of marginalization of men. It hasn't been fun
• 46:45
  Speaker 2: for them for the last 60 years, right? So I
• 46:48
  Speaker 2: don't know. I'm not really that choked that it won't
• 46:51
  Speaker 2: be that fun for the rest of society when the
• 46:55
  Speaker 2: payment comes due for treating men like crap.
• 46:59
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 47:00
  Speaker 2: All right, let's... All right. That was a little bit
• 47:03
  Speaker 2: of anger, but... That's all right. Shall we continue?
• 47:06
  Speaker 1: Maybe.
• 47:06
  Speaker 4: I'm sure you don't have a single source for that claim,
• 47:08
  Speaker 4: but that's fine.
• 47:09
  Speaker 6: I just said, look at South Korea, look at China,
• 47:11
  Speaker 6: look at Russia.
• 47:12
  Speaker 4: Well, that would be great if you would tackle the
• 47:14
  Speaker 4: Gulf states, but again, a really big problem with your
• 47:16
  Speaker 4: narrative that you're pushing here... The Gulf states are behind us, though.
• 47:18
  Speaker 4: A big problem with the narratives that you're pushing here
• 47:20
  Speaker 4: is that the Gulf states are not letting women participate
• 47:22
  Speaker 4: by and large. They are getting increasingly educated, and yet
• 47:25
  Speaker 4: their birth rate is still declining. Yeah, they're like 70
• 47:28
  Speaker 4: years behind us. And their GDP is booming and growing because,
• 47:32
  Speaker 4: to be honest.
• 47:32
  Speaker 3: Because they're seven years behind us. They'll have this problem
• 47:34
  Speaker 3: a century.
• 47:35
  Speaker 4: I will tell you why it's booming. The reason why
• 47:37
  Speaker 4: it's booming is because rather than allowing women to participate
• 47:40
  Speaker 4: in the workforce at all in Saudi Arabia, Qatar, and Kuwait,
• 47:42
  Speaker 4: what they do is mass migration. They bring in a
• 47:45
  Speaker 4: whole bunch of people, particularly from Trinidad and Tobago. They
• 47:48
  Speaker 4: bring in all of these low-wage workers that they treat
• 47:50
  Speaker 4: as second-class citizens to prop up their economy so that
• 47:53
  Speaker 4: they can keep doing these things.
• 47:54
  Speaker 2: Literally, what the hell is she talking about? This woman
• 47:57
  Speaker 2: has never lived in any of these states, I'm guessing.
• 48:01
  Speaker 2: If you think that the Muslims in Saudi Arabia, like
• 48:07
  Speaker 2: the men in Saudi Arabia, are going to let their
• 48:09
  Speaker 2: women do the work they make Pakistanis and Indians do,
• 48:14
  Speaker 2: Indian men do, you got another thing coming, my dear.
• 48:17
  Speaker 2: She thinks they're going to have their women... working like
• 48:27
  Speaker 2: 14-hour shifts breaking concrete. What kind of nonsense is this?
• 48:35
  Speaker 2: And then she looks at this society and she says, well,
• 48:37
  Speaker 2: this is relevant to us. No, it's not relevant to
• 48:40
  Speaker 2: our society. It's not a situation where they're years behind.
• 48:46
  Speaker 2: It's because they are incredibly resource-rich economies. They have huge
• 48:53
  Speaker 2: dividends from the resources that they sell. And they create
• 48:58
  Speaker 2: gigantic construction projects. And they have almost a permanent underclass.
• 49:06
  Speaker 2: I don't want to say slavery, but it's pretty damn
• 49:08
  Speaker 2: close of these immigrants that do the work that they
• 49:15
  Speaker 2: don't want to do. Because they don't have to do it.
• 49:18
  Speaker 2: They're rich. Rich. Why the hell would they do this?
• 49:22
  Speaker 2: Why the hell do you think they're going to let
• 49:24
  Speaker 2: their princesses do this? This is the funny thing. Everybody
• 49:28
  Speaker 2: thinks Muslim men are some kind of different species. They're not.
• 49:33
  Speaker 2: They're exactly as custodial. exactly is not wanting their women
• 49:38
  Speaker 2: to have to do shitty jobs so they give them
• 49:41
  Speaker 2: to the foreign men right like this is crazy but
• 49:46
  Speaker 2: regardless you can't just go like oh the gulf states
• 49:50
  Speaker 2: what she means is the muslim states.
• 49:53
  Speaker 5: You can't just go oh let's just lump them all
• 49:56
  Speaker 5: together okay which ones are creditors which ones are debitors
• 50:00
  Speaker 5: right have you looked at feminism in these cultures and
• 50:04
  Speaker 5: the diffusion of feminism in these cultures. What kind of
• 50:07
  Speaker 5: marriage formation regimes do they use? All of this changes
• 50:13
  Speaker 5: how the birth rate is affected.
• 50:15
  Speaker 2: And yes, post-industrially, like as people's cost or quality of
• 50:22
  Speaker 2: life increases, their fertility decreases. Generally, not always true because
• 50:28
  Speaker 2: that happened, like there was significant, quality of life increases
• 50:33
  Speaker 2: in the U.S. between the 40s and the 60s. And
• 50:37
  Speaker 2: guess what happened to the birth rate, guys? Guess what?
• 50:40
  Speaker 2: It skyrocketed. So even her idea, oh, we go look
• 50:48
  Speaker 2: at the Gulf states and their fertility is declining and
• 50:52
  Speaker 2: there's no feminism. We also have other situations where there
• 50:57
  Speaker 2: have been increases in standard of living and there have
• 51:00
  Speaker 2: been baby booms. You know, people applied that increase to
• 51:04
  Speaker 2: producing more children. Okay, there's all kinds of factors. You
• 51:11
  Speaker 2: can't look at one particular group and say, well, they
• 51:16
  Speaker 2: are going down because of these other factors and say
• 51:19
  Speaker 2: feminism has nothing to do with it. Well, maybe not there.
• 51:21
  Speaker 2: Maybe you're right. Maybe it is post-industrial there. Maybe it's
• 51:25
  Speaker 2: a combination of post-industrial and kin selection culture, marriage regime.
• 51:30
  Speaker 2: Maybe it's a combination of that and being a debitor
• 51:32
  Speaker 2: nation in which they're importing international development bank initiatives and expectations.
• 51:41
  Speaker 2: You can't just blanket me like this is just a
• 51:42
  Speaker 2: freaking gotcha, guys. She's using this as a gotcha, as
• 51:46
  Speaker 2: a blunt instrument. And she's misusing it. Probably because, again,
• 51:52
  Speaker 2: she hasn't looked at the actual statistics. Because when you
• 51:56
  Speaker 2: do control everything... And I know this doesn't really support
• 52:00
  Speaker 2: Rachel Wilson's argument, but it does support the argument that
• 52:05
  Speaker 2: the proximal cause, the most essential primary cause of the
• 52:11
  Speaker 2: destruction of marriage is feminism. When you control everything, women working,
• 52:15
  Speaker 2: women's education, post-industrial economy, and you look at the ex-Soviet
• 52:22
  Speaker 2: bloc countries, They were okay with fertility until the feminist
• 52:27
  Speaker 2: nation attacked in the form of the international development banks.
• 52:31
  Speaker 3: Right?
• 52:33
  Speaker 2: So it's like, yeah, sure, we can have the conversation
• 52:36
  Speaker 2: about how different economies, different debitor versus creditor statuses, different
• 52:41
  Speaker 2: marriage regimes absorb feminism differently. But that's not the conversation
• 52:45
  Speaker 2: she's having. She's just using it as a gotcha, which
• 52:48
  Speaker 2: it isn't. It's just, hey, look, I have this blunt
• 52:54
  Speaker 2: instrument that I don't understand. I'm going to thump you
• 52:56
  Speaker 2: on the head with it, Rachel. Surely that will work.
• 53:03
  Speaker 1: All right.
• 53:04
  Speaker 2: Shall we listen to some more?
• 53:06
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Since that's what we're here for. I got another
• 53:09
  Speaker 1: super rumble rant. Roboto gives a dollar and says, would
• 53:13
  Speaker 1: it be wrong to say I wish for the brown hair?
• 53:16
  Speaker 1: woman to go and join islam as well move to
• 53:20
  Speaker 1: a gulf state forever well she'll be taken care of
• 53:24
  Speaker 1: believe it or not so um she just won't be
• 53:27
  Speaker 1: able to get uppity but anyway let's keep going.
• 53:31
  Speaker 2: There's a lot of muslim women who are feminists too
• 53:36
  Speaker 2: yes that's.
• 53:36
  Speaker 4: True Women out of the workforce, you are going to
• 53:39
  Speaker 4: have to fill it with something else. And it's not
• 53:41
  Speaker 4: just going to be just men. The reality is, especially
• 53:44
  Speaker 4: if it's a 50-year problem, you're creating an acute crisis
• 53:47
  Speaker 4: where you will absolutely need to just bring in way
• 53:49
  Speaker 4: more mass migration to replace all this. That's just the
• 53:52
  Speaker 4: reality of what you're prescribing for people. So again, birth
• 53:55
  Speaker 4: rate going down, I agree. Not great. We should probably
• 53:59
  Speaker 4: try to fix that. But the conversation is about feminism
• 54:02
  Speaker 4: and you keep insisting it's feminism's fault. But again, the
• 54:06
  Speaker 4: Gulf states easily demonstrate that it's not. Nobody looks at
• 54:10
  Speaker 4: Kuwait and Qatar and goes, wow, the bastion of feminism.
• 54:13
  Speaker 4: Nobody thinks that, obviously.
• 54:17
  Speaker 1: But wait, but wait, does Kuwait and Qatar have feminism?
• 54:22
  Speaker 1: Because she seems to be like, there's this like assumption
• 54:27
  Speaker 1: that Oh, obviously they don't have it because they're Muslim nations.
• 54:31
  Speaker 1: But you just said that there are feminist Muslims. And
• 54:35
  Speaker 1: that Islam, I mean, it's been said by feminists that
• 54:39
  Speaker 1: Islam is the most feminist religion. I mean, I think that, like,
• 54:45
  Speaker 1: if you're the Taliban, you're probably like, no, we're not
• 54:48
  Speaker 1: doing that. But these are just, like, Muslim nations. They're
• 54:53
  Speaker 1: not necessarily... extremists they're not islamist nations like islamist organizations
• 54:58
  Speaker 1: like isis or the taliban so.
• 55:01
  Speaker 2: Let me get in here for a second okay all
• 55:03
  Speaker 2: right go ahead the taliban is a culture like it's
• 55:06
  Speaker 2: more than just muslim i know it's a culture that's
• 55:09
  Speaker 2: repeatedly repeatedly invaded and basically um turned itself into a
• 55:20
  Speaker 2: militaristic repel like repelling like a culture that's all about
• 55:25
  Speaker 2: military and military force because they've been repeatedly invaded so
• 55:31
  Speaker 2: you know you do that and that's what you end
• 55:32
  Speaker 2: up with you end up with a culture that is
• 55:36
  Speaker 2: women give birth men fight all right what a surprise
• 55:40
  Speaker 2: you invade them enough times and they're like well we
• 55:42
  Speaker 2: want to survive so women you give birth and men
• 55:44
  Speaker 2: you fight what do you expect That isn't necessarily what
• 55:51
  Speaker 2: comes out of Muslim culture if it has, you know,
• 55:56
  Speaker 2: billion dollars of trillion dollars of oil revenue. And yes,
• 56:00
  Speaker 2: it's entirely consistent that that Islam has strict standards of provision,
• 56:10
  Speaker 2: not just for by husbands, for their for their their wives, but.
• 56:16
  Speaker 2: sisters and have to be provided provided for by brothers
• 56:20
  Speaker 2: daughters by fathers there's the whole network of provision and
• 56:25
  Speaker 2: you can totally have within that concept within that women
• 56:29
  Speaker 2: being taken care of by their male relatives a toxic
• 56:33
  Speaker 2: feminist attitude i don't see why that these two things
• 56:36
  Speaker 2: are incompatible.
• 56:38
  Speaker 1: At all.
• 56:40
  Speaker 2: What do you think you can have resentment towards men
• 56:43
  Speaker 2: within that context You can have a belief in the
• 56:48
  Speaker 2: worthlessness of men, the disgustingness of their sexuality. All of
• 56:53
  Speaker 2: that is entirely consistent with Islamic custodial laws towards women.
• 57:00
  Speaker 2: There's nothing stopping it. And I want to point out
• 57:03
  Speaker 2: that people don't realize this, but when you look at
• 57:06
  Speaker 2: the international statistics on domestic violence, Muslim women, they top
• 57:11
  Speaker 2: the charts. And everybody's like shocked by this. But it's not,
• 57:17
  Speaker 2: it's like, no, this is just because a culture has
• 57:20
  Speaker 2: a strong expectation of a division between a public and
• 57:24
  Speaker 2: a private life and that women are part of the
• 57:26
  Speaker 2: private life. Right. And an expectation that women's sexuality be
• 57:31
  Speaker 2: guarded against men and an expectation of provisioning women and
• 57:36
  Speaker 2: even protecting them. Like the provision goes along with being
• 57:40
  Speaker 2: able to, to establish women, the ability to provide for them,
• 57:45
  Speaker 2: so they restrict movements and all of that. You think
• 57:48
  Speaker 2: that's inconsistent with being a virulent feminist? No. So yeah,
• 57:54
  Speaker 2: you're entirely right, Brian. We don't even know. We don't
• 57:56
  Speaker 2: know what's going on. It could be that Kuwait has
• 58:00
  Speaker 2: a whole bunch of virulent feminism. It could be that
• 58:05
  Speaker 2: the culture itself, even without Western feminism, has virulence towards men.
• 58:11
  Speaker 2: Who knows? It could also be that, yes, cultures that
• 58:16
  Speaker 2: are post-industrial reduce the amount of children they have. But
• 58:18
  Speaker 2: here is a blunt instrument to go back towards not
• 58:25
  Speaker 2: so erudite. Did I get it right that time?
• 58:30
  Speaker 1: Yes. Yes, you did.
• 58:32
  Speaker 2: All right. Why is it that Muslim debitor nations see
• 58:40
  Speaker 2: significantly less fertility than Muslim creditor nations, right? What's going
• 58:48
  Speaker 2: on there? Because the creditor nations actually have a higher
• 58:53
  Speaker 2: standard of living, right? They experience that and they're not
• 58:57
  Speaker 2: seeing the same decline in fertility as the debitor nations,
• 59:02
  Speaker 2: which do have the, let's say the impositions of their
• 59:07
  Speaker 2: creditors morality upon them. So where's that coming from? But again,
• 59:13
  Speaker 2: like you can't just look at the entire landscape around
• 59:18
  Speaker 2: the earth and say, well, this place disagrees with your
• 59:22
  Speaker 2: thesis because it doesn't necessarily because Feminism is metabolized differently
• 59:28
  Speaker 2: based on different economies, different creditor statuses, different marriage formation regimes.
• 59:36
  Speaker 2: So you can't just be like, oh, well, here's a no,
• 59:38
  Speaker 2: it doesn't necessarily discredit you. OK, let's let's keep going.
• 59:44
  Speaker 1: All right. I got a super chow from Xeranks. He
• 59:47
  Speaker 1: gives us five. And says, I think the idea of
• 59:51
  Speaker 1: burning the ideology to ash is fraught with issues. I
• 59:54
  Speaker 1: criticized someone who said we need to destroy feminism. I
• 59:58
  Speaker 1: asked him what he was doing to counter it. We
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 1: still have people saying slash thinking feminism used to be
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 1: granting the ideology of positive. I know what we're doing
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 1: here and I'm not trying to harsh you guys. I'm
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 1: just looking at what's going on and the talk of
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 1: destroying feminism sounds a lot like repeal the 19th to me.
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 1: It's not going to happen. And if civilization falls and
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 1: we get that awful reset I don't want. This situation
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 1: is bound to happen again. I think resilience is what's needed.
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 1: I can't help but think that when the refrain is
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 1: men are having to work twice as hard for women
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 1: that are four times less than their great grandmothers or
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 1: something along those lines. And then so many say people
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 1: are weak overall in comparison to our ancestors. I think
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 1: we would do better pursuing meaning and willingness to be
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 1: strong in the face of adversity rather than seeking the
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 1: destruction of of the cancerous ideology of feminism. Just my
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 1: two cents, adding a tip to the length. Well, we
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 1: can walk and chew gum at the same time, Xerix.
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 1: But yes, that's all I'll say to that.
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 2: Well, why don't we just stop funding it?
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 1: Yeah, we can certainly take the money away.
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it can exist, but we stop funding it. I mean,
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 2: we don't really have that choice. Or perhaps stop believing
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 2: it would be the real litmus test. Which is what
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 2: we're trying to do. Getting people to stop believing feminism.
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 2: And even believing the things that they don't realize are feminist.
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 2: The stuff that feminism did that nobody seems to realize
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 2: is feminist. But anyway, let's hear some more from R2 here.
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 1: Let's go back.
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 4: So, your narrative runs into immediately counter-competing information. You talked
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 4: about manufacturing. Again, manufacturing didn't get crushed because of women's
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 4: push into the workforce. It got crushed by the Triffin Dilemma.
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 4: The U.S. has massive trade.
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 1: The Triffin Dilemma, duh.
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 2: Okay, wait, wait, wait. Manufacturing didn't get crushed by women
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 2: going in... Did Rachel even suggest that?
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 1: Uh, no, she did not.
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 2: I mean, I would, but I don't recall Rachel doing that.
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 2: So I'm curious where, I guess this is just another gotcha.
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's kind of like the tactic.
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 2: I'm going to hit Rachel with my gotcha stick.
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 4: Everyone knows this.
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 1: I'm sorry, go ahead.
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 2: Okay, yes, the triplet dilemma is like 1950s. And then.
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 2: Going off of the gold standard is 1971. And the
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 2: U S is industrial output doubled between 1960 to 1979.
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 2: And in fact, in 1979, it had its highest rate
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 2: of workers employed in like manufacturing.
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 2: Okay. So I'm not sure if, uh, If she's got
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 2: her dates all lining up properly. It's almost like it
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 2: was the change from the gold standard to fiat was
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 2: a precondition, but she needed something else. Something else that
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 2: happened in the 70s. All right, let's keep going.
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 1: Couldn't tell you what that was. Okay, let's keep going.
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 2: Yeah, mysterious.
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 4: You talked about manufacturing. Again, manufacturing didn't get crushed because
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 4: of women's push into the workforce. It got crushed by
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 4: the Triffin dilemma. The U.S. has massive trade deficits. Everyone
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 4: knows this. So in this situation, when the U.S. dollar
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 4: is the global currency, everyone wants to bring business here
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 4: because it's like the hot spot. It's the best place
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 4: to be, and the American dollar goes far. Manufacturing gets
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 4: crushed because....
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 2: Wait, why would it get crushed if everyone wants to
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 2: bring business to the U.S.? Wouldn't that mean they're bringing
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 2: their manufacturing to the U.S.? Or do you mean business
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 2: of some other sort? that doesn't involve productivity. Okay, let's
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 2: keep going. Let's see where she goes with this.
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 4: Because American workers want higher wages because our cost of
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 4: living is higher because everyone's bringing their business here and
• 1:04:28
  Speaker 4: everyone's infusing cash all the time. You have to deal
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 4: with the real economic issues that are causing the issue,
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 4: not just blame feminism.
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 2: Wow, this is gobbledygook. Yeah. Okay. All right. Do you
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 2: want me to respond to that or shall we go
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 2: with what?
• 1:04:44
  Speaker 1: You want to hear Rachel's and then you respond to it? Yeah.
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 2: Sure, let's do that.
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 1: You got two minutes as well?
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 3: I'll try this one more time. I'm not blaming every
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 3: economic problem on feminism. I'm blaming one economic problem, the
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 3: only one that matters, which is demographics.
• 1:05:03
  Speaker 2: I'm blaming every economic problem on feminism. I'll do it.
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 1: I'm raising my hand. Okay, I knew you were going
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 1: to say that. Let's let Rachel finish her argument.
• 1:05:13
  Speaker 4: Gulf states.
• 1:05:13
  Speaker 3: There's a lot of different, yeah, they still have above
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 3: replacement because all the women aren't working.
• 1:05:18
  Speaker 6: They don't.
• 1:05:19
  Speaker 4: They're under-replaced. I do it the same way that Rachel
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 4: didn't interrupt you on the last one. I want to
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 4: give her the same.
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 3: The whole world is going this way. So all the
• 1:05:26
  Speaker 3: countries that are still above replacement, which is only a handful,
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 3: are trending down. And when those people, so you said immigrants,
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 3: you're right. Saudi Arabia imports their entire workforce. We're trying
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 3: to do that in the West. And what happens? Number one,
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 3: all the places we're trying to bring immigrants from are
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 3: now getting below replacement as well. So you're running out
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 3: of other people to bring over.
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 4: But two, when you.
• 1:05:49
  Speaker 3: Bring those people over from those cultures where there's no
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 3: feminism into the West, within one generation, their birth rate
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 3: drops to as low as the native population in the West.
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 3: So you bring someone over from Pakistan where the birth
• 1:06:01
  Speaker 3: rate is still like one of the highest in the world,
• 1:06:03
  Speaker 3: you bring them to the UK where there's feminism, you
• 1:06:05
  Speaker 3: send their daughters to college and send their daughters to
• 1:06:07
  Speaker 3: the workforce, they also only have 1.5.
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 6: Children per women.
• 1:06:11
  Speaker 3: So no, my claim, you're strawmanning me again, my claim
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 3: is not every economic problem is caused by feminism.
• 1:06:18
  Speaker 6: Of course not.
• 1:06:20
  Speaker 3: But the one that is caused by feminism will be
• 1:06:23
  Speaker 3: the only one that matters because if there's no people,
• 1:06:26
  Speaker 3: there's no future. And you still haven't told me how
• 1:06:29
  Speaker 3: you're going to combat that. How are you going to
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 3: have your first world feminist utopia where the men and
• 1:06:34
  Speaker 3: the women both work part-time, everyone gets to stay home,
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 3: however we're going to work.
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 6: That, everybody gets to follow their dreams and do what
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 6: they want?
• 1:06:41
  Speaker 4: I think that's called a straw man.
• 1:06:42
  Speaker 6: How do we get to do that with below replacement
• 1:06:46
  Speaker 6: birth rates?
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 1: So she, Rachel said, and I think this is a
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 1: big point because we've said this too. She said that
• 1:06:57
  Speaker 1: the thing is, is that you can import people here
• 1:07:01
  Speaker 1: from other countries. But what's going to happen is they're
• 1:07:03
  Speaker 1: going to come here. They're going to have kids. And
• 1:07:06
  Speaker 1: within a generation, they're also going to experience the same
• 1:07:08
  Speaker 1: birth problems. Because they're going to send their kids to
• 1:07:12
  Speaker 1: school or they're going to have their kids consuming media
• 1:07:14
  Speaker 1: or being on social, you know, whatever. And they're just
• 1:07:17
  Speaker 1: going to get inundated with feminist content. talking points and
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 1: they're just going to absorb them. So that's what Rachel
• 1:07:24
  Speaker 1: is saying. Like, you know, every, the whole world is
• 1:07:27
  Speaker 1: going in the same direction because the whole world is
• 1:07:30
  Speaker 1: adopting the same suicidal ideology. Yeah. Yeah.
• 1:07:37
  Speaker 2: Well, okay. You can disentangle a few things. Post-industrial nations
• 1:07:43
  Speaker 2: do see fertility declines. but they don't necessarily see fertility
• 1:07:48
  Speaker 2: declines below replacement. That needs an explanation. It's as simple
• 1:07:53
  Speaker 2: as that. There are other factors that lead to fertility
• 1:07:58
  Speaker 2: declines than feminism, but feminism is the terminal one. It's
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 2: the one that will take a society from, eh, we're managing,
• 1:08:09
  Speaker 2: we're maintaining ourselves, to complete crater, a complete crater. And
• 1:08:14
  Speaker 2: South Korea is sort of the test case of that.
• 1:08:19
  Speaker 2: And also the ex-Soviet bloc countries are additional test cases
• 1:08:24
  Speaker 2: of that. Now, the Gulf states, particularly the creditor nations,
• 1:08:29
  Speaker 2: which do see above replacement level fertility, they have things
• 1:08:35
  Speaker 2: that resist both feminism and particularly the noxious feminist qualities,
• 1:08:41
  Speaker 2: which is destroying the custodial relationship between men and women, right?
• 1:08:48
  Speaker 2: They have the means to resist a lot of this.
• 1:08:51
  Speaker 2: The debitor nations don't, and you see significant decline with them. Now,
• 1:08:56
  Speaker 2: I'm still trying to tease out the causal relationship but yes,
• 1:09:01
  Speaker 2: there are other factors that feminism that lead to a
• 1:09:04
  Speaker 2: decline in birth rate. For example, for many centuries, about
• 1:09:09
  Speaker 2: half of children would die before they became adults. That
• 1:09:13
  Speaker 2: was a factor that restricted total fertility. That's something we changed.
• 1:09:20
  Speaker 2: You know, and maybe as a result of that, maybe
• 1:09:23
  Speaker 2: humans try to find a homeostasis and they just end
• 1:09:27
  Speaker 2: up giving birth at replacement when they know that their
• 1:09:31
  Speaker 2: children are not going to die. Or they want to
• 1:09:33
  Speaker 2: pile in more resources into fewer children. That's another factor.
• 1:09:39
  Speaker 2: That doesn't mean that the reduction in fertility means the
• 1:09:42
  Speaker 2: destruction of the human race. Because if people are reducing
• 1:09:47
  Speaker 2: their fertility because they don't need to have as many
• 1:09:49
  Speaker 2: children because less children die, that is not a total
• 1:09:53
  Speaker 2: reduction in fertility. Or alternatively, if they're having a replacement
• 1:09:58
  Speaker 2: level of children and investing more in them, whatever's leading
• 1:10:01
  Speaker 2: to that, also not a problem. What's a problem is
• 1:10:06
  Speaker 2: what is destroying marriage. And this is why marriage is
• 1:10:09
  Speaker 2: such a critical factor here, right? Because... If you look
• 1:10:15
  Speaker 2: at it in terms of what is destroying, if you
• 1:10:17
  Speaker 2: see that women are more fertile in marriage, then if
• 1:10:22
  Speaker 2: you destroy marriage, you destroy fertility. Okay, so if you
• 1:10:26
  Speaker 2: have a situation, in particular, I'll remove liberal women from
• 1:10:33
  Speaker 2: the pool of the West because they really decline everything, right?
• 1:10:37
  Speaker 2: If you look at married women, moderate and conservative and church-going,
• 1:10:45
  Speaker 2: they are maintaining at a slightly above replacement level fertility, okay?
• 1:10:53
  Speaker 2: And that would be fine if they were marrying at
• 1:10:57
  Speaker 2: rates that they did in the past, which they are not.
• 1:11:00
  Speaker 2: So married women are still maintaining their fertility for the
• 1:11:04
  Speaker 2: most part. In Australia, they're increasing their fertility. So some
• 1:11:07
  Speaker 2: places are seeing increases in fertility among married women. So
• 1:11:11
  Speaker 2: what's the real problem here? The problem is that there
• 1:11:14
  Speaker 2: are so many women staying single. Staying single. And that
• 1:11:19
  Speaker 2: suppresses fertility. So if we got most women married, we
• 1:11:23
  Speaker 2: would be fine. Okay?
• 1:11:27
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:11:27
  Speaker 2: So obviously, you know, the problem isn't a total decline
• 1:11:34
  Speaker 2: in fertility. Okay? Yeah. It isn't whatever she thinks it is,
• 1:11:39
  Speaker 2: like the increase in women's education, workplace, quality of living, post-industrial,
• 1:11:47
  Speaker 2: whatever she's throwing out. When you look at the stats,
• 1:11:51
  Speaker 2: it's that not enough women are married. That's it. So
• 1:11:56
  Speaker 2: the point at which the knife meets the destruction, like
• 1:12:03
  Speaker 2: the stabbing of our society, is marriage. The point of
• 1:12:08
  Speaker 2: the damage is at marriage, and everything falls down from that.
• 1:12:14
  Speaker 2: So if you're looking at where the damage is coming from,
• 1:12:17
  Speaker 2: is the increasing loss of marriage in the West, then
• 1:12:22
  Speaker 2: what is destroying that? Really, is it actually post-industrial civilization?
• 1:12:32
  Speaker 2: Is it women working? Is it women getting education? No.
• 1:12:36
  Speaker 2: What's destroying marriage in the West is what feminists injected
• 1:12:42
  Speaker 2: into the relationship between men and women. All of the baggage,
• 1:12:50
  Speaker 2: all of the hatred, all of the zero-sum thinking, all
• 1:12:54
  Speaker 2: of the, oh yeah, if he's custodial towards you, that's oppression.
• 1:12:59
  Speaker 2: If he's protective, he's being controlling, all of that. Do
• 1:13:04
  Speaker 2: you get what I'm saying? Maybe what I'm saying is
• 1:13:07
  Speaker 2: a little bit... I'm not saying it right. But when
• 1:13:11
  Speaker 2: you situate where the harm is coming from, you can
• 1:13:14
  Speaker 2: see that it isn't because of post-industrial civilization. It isn't
• 1:13:18
  Speaker 2: whatever Kyla is talking about. It has to be in
• 1:13:23
  Speaker 2: marriage formation. And you're sort of limited in what you
• 1:13:27
  Speaker 2: can say is harming marriage formation. Okay?
• 1:13:33
  Speaker 1: So.
• 1:13:34
  Speaker 2: Okay, anyway, so let's continue.
• 1:13:38
  Speaker 1: All right.
• 1:13:40
  Speaker 3: If women are working, they're not going to have babies,
• 1:13:42
  Speaker 3: and that's the only part of my argument that matters.
• 1:13:45
  Speaker 2: Sure, yeah.
• 1:13:45
  Speaker 4: So I can repeat for you.
• 1:13:46
  Speaker 1: Can you get back over to Kyla for two minutes?
• 1:13:48
  Speaker 4: I've responded to this multiple times, which again, declining birth
• 1:13:52
  Speaker 4: rate is not feminism. It is feminism. Modernization. This is
• 1:13:56
  Speaker 4: why Saudi Arabia, as it modernizes, has a decline, which,
• 1:14:00
  Speaker 4: by the way, is below replacement. Saudi Arabia's is like 1.7
• 1:14:02
  Speaker 4: right now. So no, they're not replacing themselves.
• 1:14:06
  Speaker 2: No, not if you actually control for immigration. No, that's
• 1:14:10
  Speaker 2: not the case. The native population in Saudi is still
• 1:14:13
  Speaker 2: above replacement. I think significantly. They're close to three. And
• 1:14:18
  Speaker 2: then the other big counter-argument in the Middle East is Israel.
• 1:14:22
  Speaker 2: Even secular Jews in Israel are well above replacement. Well,
• 1:14:26
  Speaker 2: not well, they're like a 2.5 or something like a 2.3
• 1:14:30
  Speaker 2: or 2.5, right? So how do you explain that? High
• 1:14:35
  Speaker 2: degrees of women working, high degrees of employment, high degrees
• 1:14:39
  Speaker 2: of education, post-industrial society, still maintaining its fertility. If it's
• 1:14:45
  Speaker 2: all industrial society that does it, like post-industrial society, And
• 1:14:50
  Speaker 2: of course, this cuts against Rachel's argument too, because it
• 1:14:53
  Speaker 2: doesn't seem to be women working or women getting education
• 1:14:57
  Speaker 2: that's doing it. But anyway, let's continue.
• 1:15:02
  Speaker 1: The other thing is, is that if Kyla's right, that
• 1:15:05
  Speaker 1: modernization is the reason. Let's just say, let's say that's true.
• 1:15:10
  Speaker 1: So what should we do? Should we just like become
• 1:15:14
  Speaker 1: Luddites and have kids? Yeah. How do we do that?
• 1:15:18
  Speaker 1: Are people going to do that? I don't, I don't
• 1:15:20
  Speaker 1: believe it's true for the record. I don't think it's true.
• 1:15:23
  Speaker 1: I think people, um, when it's easier to have children,
• 1:15:28
  Speaker 1: people will have more children maybe, but even poor people
• 1:15:31
  Speaker 1: have lots of kids. So it's not that, but I'm just,
• 1:15:35
  Speaker 1: I'm yeah, I know they have more. Uh, so what
• 1:15:38
  Speaker 1: I'm basically thinking is if, if you're going to say, well,
• 1:15:42
  Speaker 1: modernization is what's causing it, then you, you're basically saying we're,
• 1:15:47
  Speaker 1: we're basically doomed because like, You don't want to stop
• 1:15:50
  Speaker 1: living in a modern first world, right, Kyla? I mean,
• 1:15:54
  Speaker 1: you like having your phones and your internet. No, I'm
• 1:15:57
  Speaker 1: just saying, like, you're blaming something that cannot be changed,
• 1:16:03
  Speaker 1: but it can be adapted to. And one way you
• 1:16:05
  Speaker 1: can adapt to it is to basically, like, you know,
• 1:16:09
  Speaker 1: promote marriage and pair bonding. But she's not going to
• 1:16:13
  Speaker 1: do that because that's not feminist. Which is... It's funny because...
• 1:16:18
  Speaker 1: It's almost like feminism is against marriage and pair bonding.
• 1:16:21
  Speaker 1: But anyway.
• 1:16:22
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's literally what they said. Yeah, I know.
• 1:16:24
  Speaker 1: I know. That's literally step zero. Okay, so let's keep going. What?
• 1:16:33
  Speaker 2: I just wanted to say that the... Okay, she's going
• 1:16:37
  Speaker 2: to start talking about the steep decline.
• 1:16:41
  Speaker 1: Right?
• 1:16:42
  Speaker 2: But so, yeah, you're right. Like, what... do we just
• 1:16:45
  Speaker 2: want to stop being part of a post-industrial society? I
• 1:16:47
  Speaker 2: don't think we can probably kill us.
• 1:16:49
  Speaker 1: It probably, we probably can't, but again, yeah. And that's
• 1:16:52
  Speaker 1: why it doesn't make a lot of sense because all
• 1:16:55
  Speaker 1: throughout history, we have made massive leaps technologically for whatever reason, right?
• 1:17:02
  Speaker 1: At every point you can point at different things. And
• 1:17:06
  Speaker 1: only since the seventies has this somehow resulted in a,
• 1:17:10
  Speaker 1: a massive decline in, in, Pair bonding, marriage, and children.
• 1:17:15
  Speaker 1: So it seems to me that even if you said
• 1:17:20
  Speaker 1: this is because of modernization and not feminism, then you
• 1:17:24
  Speaker 1: would have to say, well, okay, when we have to
• 1:17:27
  Speaker 1: fix it, how do we fix it? Oh, we have
• 1:17:29
  Speaker 1: to get people to get married again and have babies again.
• 1:17:31
  Speaker 1: All right. Well, what's the obstacle to that? people getting
• 1:17:35
  Speaker 1: back together and having babies again. Is there an obstacle
• 1:17:38
  Speaker 1: to that? Oh, it's the economy. No, no, no. That's
• 1:17:40
  Speaker 1: not true because poor people have a lot of kids. Uh,
• 1:17:43
  Speaker 1: what's the obstacle? I mean, all you got to do
• 1:17:46
  Speaker 1: is basically just grant everything and then see where she
• 1:17:48
  Speaker 1: like takes you. And it's going to land on feminism.
• 1:17:51
  Speaker 1: Although she's not going to want to use the word.
• 1:17:53
  Speaker 1: She's going to say, well, it's, uh, it's an, uh,
• 1:17:55
  Speaker 1: excess of, uh, uh, women's, uh, no, no men. It's patriarchy.
• 1:18:03
  Speaker 2: I can tell you where they land.
• 1:18:04
  Speaker 1: Yeah, go ahead.
• 1:18:05
  Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly. That is where they landed.
• 1:18:07
  Speaker 1: Yeah, they're going to land on patriarchy.
• 1:18:09
  Speaker 2: That is where the Princeton 2011 analysis landed. Not exactly patriarchy,
• 1:18:12
  Speaker 2: but men's identity threat is where they landed.
• 1:18:14
  Speaker 1: That's patriarchy.
• 1:18:17
  Speaker 2: Yeah, probably. It's just like it's using economic jargon. But, well, like, okay.
• 1:18:23
  Speaker 2: So let's set aside the Gulf nations, which have their
• 1:18:27
  Speaker 2: own issues and are not as she describes. Well, let's
• 1:18:31
  Speaker 2: just look at... the US and hold the fact that
• 1:18:36
  Speaker 2: everybody in the US lives in a post-industrial civilization constant.
• 1:18:41
  Speaker 2: So that variable is held constant in the US. Now
• 1:18:46
  Speaker 2: we just look at the demographics that actually have children.
• 1:18:50
  Speaker 2: right okay married women married women who are moderate or
• 1:18:55
  Speaker 2: conservative in particular church going they still have children It
• 1:19:01
  Speaker 2: doesn't matter if they're rich or poor. In fact, I
• 1:19:04
  Speaker 2: believe that if you're a conservative or a church going,
• 1:19:10
  Speaker 2: if you are richer, you might have more children, might not,
• 1:19:13
  Speaker 2: but it's basically flat across, right? So the income is irrelevant, okay?
• 1:19:22
  Speaker 2: If you control for enough factors, poor people will have children,
• 1:19:27
  Speaker 2: rich people will have children, Women who work will have children.
• 1:19:30
  Speaker 2: Women who have education will have children. And all of
• 1:19:32
  Speaker 2: these women are in a post-industrial civilization. Where you're seeing
• 1:19:38
  Speaker 2: a decline in married women having children is if they
• 1:19:40
  Speaker 2: are left-leaning. Then they have less children. In fact, significantly less.
• 1:19:47
  Speaker 2: But they still have more children if they're married than
• 1:19:50
  Speaker 2: single women. So holding post-industrial economy constant, just looking at
• 1:19:56
  Speaker 2: the demographic factors in the US, the women who do
• 1:20:00
  Speaker 2: not have children are single liberal women. And liberal women
• 1:20:08
  Speaker 2: who are married will have children. The problem is that
• 1:20:12
  Speaker 2: singledom is sort of a co-traveler of liberalism and left-leaning.
• 1:20:17
  Speaker 2: So for whatever reason, Women on the left are far,
• 1:20:23
  Speaker 2: far more likely to be single. And single women do
• 1:20:27
  Speaker 2: not have as many children. Even black and Hispanic women
• 1:20:31
  Speaker 2: who are not married do not have as many children
• 1:20:34
  Speaker 2: as black and Hispanic women who are married. And then
• 1:20:38
  Speaker 2: white and East Asian women don't have children out of marriage.
• 1:20:43
  Speaker 2: And what ideology encourages women to be single and encourages
• 1:20:48
  Speaker 2: them to view marriage as a source of their oppression?
• 1:20:51
  Speaker 2: And why is it that fertility marriage rates and thus
• 1:20:55
  Speaker 2: fertility rates exactly map to the ideology that encourages women
• 1:21:03
  Speaker 2: to be single and encourages them to see marriage as oppression.
• 1:21:10
  Speaker 2: And that in that ideology, the women who have it
• 1:21:13
  Speaker 2: have even higher standards for provision, even though they're not
• 1:21:17
  Speaker 2: supposedly holding men to the standard of provision. and yet
• 1:21:21
  Speaker 2: they held them to a higher standard functionally. So they
• 1:21:24
  Speaker 2: end up being far more single. Okay, so why is
• 1:21:27
  Speaker 2: it that that's where the fertility problems in the West
• 1:21:32
  Speaker 2: sort of, why is it all there? You get what
• 1:21:35
  Speaker 2: I'm saying, Brian?
• 1:21:36
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:21:38
  Speaker 2: Why is it when you're holding everything constant, or you're
• 1:21:42
  Speaker 2: holding the post-industrial economy constant, why is it that's where
• 1:21:46
  Speaker 2: the fertility problem lies? So you can't say that, oh,
• 1:21:51
  Speaker 2: there's parts of the U.S. that aren't post-industrial. We're not
• 1:21:55
  Speaker 2: talking about the Amish, right? We're just talking about regular
• 1:21:58
  Speaker 2: people who live with electricity and telephones and indoor plumbing
• 1:22:05
  Speaker 2: and everything else. Why is it that infertility concentrates in
• 1:22:13
  Speaker 2: the left and concentrates with single women? Which concentrate on
• 1:22:19
  Speaker 2: the left. Why is that?
• 1:22:21
  Speaker 1: I don't know. Good question.
• 1:22:22
  Speaker 2: If there is not an ideological component to it. And
• 1:22:27
  Speaker 2: why is it that when you go back in time,
• 1:22:31
  Speaker 2: the decline in marriage starts with the left?
• 1:22:38
  Speaker 1: Mm-hmm.
• 1:22:40
  Speaker 2: And the decline in fertility starts with the left. If
• 1:22:44
  Speaker 2: it has nothing to do with the ideology, then why
• 1:22:47
  Speaker 2: is it that the adherence to the ideology, the closest
• 1:22:51
  Speaker 2: adherence to the ideology get hit first by infertility and singledom?
• 1:22:58
  Speaker 2: It's a thinker. It's a thunker. You know, it's like
• 1:23:01
  Speaker 2: you got to really rub your chin and think about that.
• 1:23:04
  Speaker 1: Boils the noodle.
• 1:23:07
  Speaker 2: Boils the noodle that the adherence to an ideology that
• 1:23:10
  Speaker 2: said we are going to destroy marriage and marriage is
• 1:23:13
  Speaker 2: the site of oppression for women end up being more
• 1:23:16
  Speaker 2: single and having fewer children. Really boils. But yeah, you're right.
• 1:23:21
  Speaker 2: It boils the noodle. The noodle is boiling.
• 1:23:25
  Speaker 1: Yep. Almonds activated.
• 1:23:27
  Speaker 2: All right.
• 1:23:29
  Speaker 1: Let's let's keep going. Let's keep going.
• 1:23:31
  Speaker 4: As you modernize and give people more education, they choose
• 1:23:34
  Speaker 4: to postpone marriage and they have less children as a
• 1:23:37
  Speaker 4: result of it. It's really that simple. But that's not feminism.
• 1:23:40
  Speaker 4: That is actually education. That's capitalism.
• 1:23:43
  Speaker 1: Wait, it's education? What are they learning, Kayla? What are
• 1:23:47
  Speaker 1: they learning? You said it's education, not feminism. Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.
• 1:23:54
  Speaker 1: You're repeating yourself.
• 1:23:55
  Speaker 4: Choose to postpone marriage and they have less children as
• 1:23:58
  Speaker 4: a result of it. It's really that simple. But that's
• 1:24:01
  Speaker 4: not feminism. That is actually education. That's capitalism. And it's
• 1:24:05
  Speaker 4: kind of the Protestant work ethic. Because if there's any
• 1:24:08
  Speaker 4: system that tells you, delay gratification, hustle and work hard,
• 1:24:12
  Speaker 4: make sure you're a steward of the future, it's probably
• 1:24:15
  Speaker 4: something like a capitalist system with economic incentive to grow, grow, grow,
• 1:24:19
  Speaker 4: and a Protestant work ethic that says work, work, work.
• 1:24:22
  Speaker 4: That's what you're actually contending with here. Does feminism have
• 1:24:26
  Speaker 4: impacts on certain things? Yeah, I think it's made women
• 1:24:28
  Speaker 4: particularly significantly more.
• 1:24:30
  Speaker 2: Choosy than their partners. Yeah, this is where the weakness
• 1:24:31
  Speaker 2: of the work argument comes out really bad. When you
• 1:24:35
  Speaker 2: actually just don't even look at the work argument And
• 1:24:39
  Speaker 2: just look at the marriage. Single women don't have children.
• 1:24:42
  Speaker 2: Married women do. It completely negates what she's talking about now.
• 1:24:50
  Speaker 2: And unfortunately, the work argument gives her a lot of
• 1:24:53
  Speaker 2: surface to attack. All right, let's keep going.
• 1:24:57
  Speaker 1: All right. Also, no, guys, she's going after my capitalism. Okay.
• 1:25:02
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 1:25:03
  Speaker 4: For example.
• 1:25:04
  Speaker 1: And McChristianity too, the Protestant work ethic.
• 1:25:06
  Speaker 4: If you look at these bad college women, for example,
• 1:25:10
  Speaker 4: they're the group getting married more than anyone else since 2010.
• 1:25:13
  Speaker 4: They are the highest population to get married. Their marriages
• 1:25:16
  Speaker 4: last longer. They have a divorce rate that's way lower
• 1:25:19
  Speaker 4: than everyone else, by the way. Their children are more successful.
• 1:25:21
  Speaker 4: Their children contribute to the economy significantly more. I'd love
• 1:25:24
  Speaker 4: to get those ladies having children more too. Let's invest
• 1:25:27
  Speaker 4: in more technologies to kind of help them increase their
• 1:25:30
  Speaker 4: window of IVF. But I'm sure you're opposed to that, right?
• 1:25:33
  Speaker 4: There's all sorts. Let's get tax credits. Yeah, let's laugh
• 1:25:35
  Speaker 4: at it. You guys want to solve the birth rate
• 1:25:37
  Speaker 4: problem unless you actually have solutions that are about modernization.
• 1:25:40
  Speaker 4: Because your actual enemy here today isn't feminism. It's modernization.
• 1:25:45
  Speaker 4: And we're never going back to monkey. So you may
• 1:25:47
  Speaker 4: as well give up on that one.
• 1:25:50
  Speaker 2: Okay, but the big issue, And she's probably just looking at,
• 1:25:58
  Speaker 2: she's not controlling for ideology. She's not controlling for church going.
• 1:26:03
  Speaker 1: She says that college women are getting married and staying married.
• 1:26:08
  Speaker 1: I don't think that's happening. I don't think that's, I
• 1:26:12
  Speaker 1: don't know where she's getting those numbers. I think that
• 1:26:16
  Speaker 1: women go to college to find a man most of
• 1:26:18
  Speaker 1: the time. So maybe they do get married and then
• 1:26:21
  Speaker 1: they like bring their college debt with them. But I
• 1:26:24
  Speaker 1: don't think that I don't think that they're staying married.
• 1:26:28
  Speaker 1: And again, I think they're only going because they're looking
• 1:26:30
  Speaker 1: for a high value man of which there are very
• 1:26:34
  Speaker 1: few because there are as many men going to college
• 1:26:38
  Speaker 1: and they're not hustling.
• 1:26:41
  Speaker 2: She's probably just looking at the population of married college women.
• 1:26:47
  Speaker 1: Oh, college age, it's college age women. College age women.
• 1:26:50
  Speaker 2: Okay, so married post-college, like women who've gone through, gotten
• 1:26:55
  Speaker 2: their education.
• 1:26:55
  Speaker 1: Or maybe they didn't go to college, they just got
• 1:26:57
  Speaker 1: married at college age.
• 1:26:58
  Speaker 2: No, no, what I'm saying is that she's talking about
• 1:27:01
  Speaker 2: a particular population, I think. And she's looking just at
• 1:27:07
  Speaker 2: the women who have post-secondary education and got married, as
• 1:27:12
  Speaker 2: opposed to the entire population of women who have had
• 1:27:17
  Speaker 2: post-secondary education. So what you could find, right? Let's just
• 1:27:23
  Speaker 2: run through this scenario, which I'm sure she hasn't controlled for.
• 1:27:27
  Speaker 2: Let's say you have, I don't know, 20 or sorry,
• 1:27:31
  Speaker 2: like maybe 30% of a female graduating body that's conservative
• 1:27:37
  Speaker 2: versus like 70% that isn't, right? Now what ends up happening,
• 1:27:41
  Speaker 2: you follow them for 10 years The conservatives are all married.
• 1:27:45
  Speaker 2: They have education, but they're conservative or they're church going because,
• 1:27:48
  Speaker 2: you know, people who are religious do also go into
• 1:27:52
  Speaker 2: colleges and get degrees.
• 1:27:54
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 1:27:54
  Speaker 2: So you're looking at that and they comprise the majority
• 1:27:57
  Speaker 2: of the women who end up married.
• 1:27:59
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 1:27:59
  Speaker 2: So once you're looking at 32, what's in the 30s.
• 1:28:03
  Speaker 2: Most of the women married are part of the college
• 1:28:07
  Speaker 2: graduates who are married are conservative college graduates. The non-conservative
• 1:28:13
  Speaker 2: college graduates or the liberal college graduates, because moderates can
• 1:28:17
  Speaker 2: be part of this too, the liberal college graduates haven't
• 1:28:20
  Speaker 2: gotten married. So they're not even the part of the
• 1:28:23
  Speaker 2: population that's being studied when you talk about college, female
• 1:28:27
  Speaker 2: college graduates who get married. You see what I'm saying? Mm-hmm. Right.
• 1:28:32
  Speaker 2: And then when you're looking at that population, you may
• 1:28:35
  Speaker 2: end up looking at a population that's heavily skewed towards
• 1:28:38
  Speaker 2: conservative women. And then you look at that and you say, oh,
• 1:28:43
  Speaker 2: they're less likely to divorce. They're more likely to have children. Well, duh.
• 1:28:47
  Speaker 2: Because the liberal women haven't gotten married in the first place.
• 1:28:50
  Speaker 2: So they're not being counted in the college women who
• 1:28:54
  Speaker 2: get married pool. Or they're significantly less in the college
• 1:28:59
  Speaker 2: women who get married pool. You see what I'm saying?
• 1:29:02
  Speaker 2: That's like survivorship bias. It's an example of survivorship bias
• 1:29:06
  Speaker 2: and selection. So it's entirely possible that she's right. Women
• 1:29:12
  Speaker 2: who have college degrees are less likely to get divorced,
• 1:29:16
  Speaker 2: but it's also entirely possible that the women who have
• 1:29:19
  Speaker 2: college degrees and get married are more likely to be
• 1:29:23
  Speaker 2: conservative or moderate and church going.
• 1:29:26
  Speaker 3: Okay.
• 1:29:28
  Speaker 2: So it's a completely, it could be.
• 1:29:31
  Speaker 1: Oh, yeah.
• 1:29:32
  Speaker 2: Yeah. You see what I'm saying?
• 1:29:34
  Speaker 1: Yeah, no, I see what you're saying. Like, just simply
• 1:29:37
  Speaker 1: saying they're college-age women doesn't necessarily mean that. No, no,
• 1:29:42
  Speaker 1: college graduates. Or college graduates, sure. But she was saying
• 1:29:46
  Speaker 1: college age.
• 1:29:48
  Speaker 4: Oh.
• 1:29:49
  Speaker 2: Oh, so it was even worse.
• 1:29:50
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:29:51
  Speaker 2: I thought she was saying college graduates.
• 1:29:53
  Speaker 1: No, no, college-age women. She probably misspoke. Yeah.
• 1:29:56
  Speaker 2: Well, maybe. She probably misspoke. Because what she was saying,
• 1:29:59
  Speaker 2: from what I heard, was that women who had college
• 1:30:03
  Speaker 2: had better marriage. So women who had gone through college,
• 1:30:06
  Speaker 2: gotten a degree, were more likely to get married, or
• 1:30:09
  Speaker 2: not more likely to get married, but more likely to
• 1:30:11
  Speaker 2: have marriages that lasted. And what I'm saying is that
• 1:30:15
  Speaker 2: it's survivorship bias. Because what could be happening is that
• 1:30:20
  Speaker 2: women on the left who go through college are so
• 1:30:24
  Speaker 2: much less likely to get married that they don't show
• 1:30:27
  Speaker 2: up in numbers, in the statistics on college graduate women
• 1:30:32
  Speaker 2: who get married. See what I'm saying?
• 1:30:34
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah. I see what you're saying. I see what
• 1:30:37
  Speaker 1: you're saying. Yeah.
• 1:30:39
  Speaker 2: It's statistics.
• 1:30:39
  Speaker 1: All right.
• 1:30:40
  Speaker 2: So if he hasn't controlled for it, it's a meaningless statement.
• 1:30:43
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:30:44
  Speaker 1: It's an orphan statistic then. Is that what you mean?
• 1:30:47
  Speaker 1: Like it doesn't, it doesn't have the other factors. All right.
• 1:30:50
  Speaker 1: Sleepy Ozzy gave us $ 5 super chow and said, Allison,
• 1:30:54
  Speaker 1: would you say it's better for guys to go to
• 1:30:56
  Speaker 1: the trades than university to better position themselves for the
• 1:30:59
  Speaker 1: coming pain? What university courses would still be worth it?
• 1:31:03
  Speaker 1: Is something like nursing still practical or would you just
• 1:31:06
  Speaker 1: say only go for things like engineering or accounting?
• 1:31:10
  Speaker 2: Well, I mean, I'll be honest with you. Nursing, you're
• 1:31:14
  Speaker 2: going to experience a lot of bias and probably overt
• 1:31:18
  Speaker 2: hostility as a man. This is the nursing is apparently
• 1:31:22
  Speaker 2: one of the worst. So you have to consider that.
• 1:31:25
  Speaker 1: It's dominated by women, so yeah.
• 1:31:27
  Speaker 2: It's dominated by women. Probably overt hostility. Wait, wait, wait, wait.
• 1:31:33
  Speaker 2: I've got to keep going. Yes, there are degrees that
• 1:31:37
  Speaker 2: are probably worth it. The reason why I say men
• 1:31:41
  Speaker 2: in particular should start from a presumption that they're not
• 1:31:44
  Speaker 2: going to university is because you should really have your
• 1:31:49
  Speaker 2: ducks in a row as to why you're going to university.
• 1:31:52
  Speaker 2: So if you're in the top of your class, and
• 1:31:54
  Speaker 2: you go into a major that's majority male, you probably
• 1:31:57
  Speaker 2: will be fine if you avoid the campus social life entirely,
• 1:32:02
  Speaker 2: which can be hard when you're young, right? Be hard
• 1:32:05
  Speaker 2: to maintain that level of discipline. So it might be
• 1:32:09
  Speaker 2: worth it for you if you treat it like a job,
• 1:32:11
  Speaker 2: you treat it like I'm here to work and learn.
• 1:32:14
  Speaker 2: I'm not here to socialize. I'm not here to be
• 1:32:17
  Speaker 2: a sexual amenity for the customers that the university actually wants, right?
• 1:32:24
  Speaker 2: That's not a bad idea. However, the other thing is
• 1:32:26
  Speaker 2: that you are giving up. People don't talk about this,
• 1:32:30
  Speaker 2: but men do also sort of have a fertile window
• 1:32:33
  Speaker 2: and it's because of what they can attract.
• 1:32:36
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 1:32:36
  Speaker 2: So. If you give up those years that you're taking
• 1:32:42
  Speaker 2: your degree and if you take an undergraduate, probably go
• 1:32:45
  Speaker 2: for a master's. Right. If you give up those years,
• 1:32:50
  Speaker 2: those are years you're giving up earnings. and potentially finding
• 1:32:54
  Speaker 2: a partner who will start a family with you during
• 1:32:58
  Speaker 2: those years. So in essence, you're giving up those years
• 1:33:02
  Speaker 2: for a benefit in your late 30s and 40s in
• 1:33:05
  Speaker 2: terms of income, when you're starting to actually overcome the
• 1:33:11
  Speaker 2: time you took out of the workforce and you're starting
• 1:33:13
  Speaker 2: to earn comparatively, and when you also basically pay off
• 1:33:18
  Speaker 2: your student loans. So it's something to consider. The question is,
• 1:33:22
  Speaker 2: do you want to go into a trade school, take
• 1:33:26
  Speaker 2: a two-year, get into the labor force, start earning and
• 1:33:33
  Speaker 2: start being able to afford a family while you're in
• 1:33:36
  Speaker 2: your 20s and early 30s? Or do you want to
• 1:33:39
  Speaker 2: wait to get that benefit in your late 30s or 40s?
• 1:33:44
  Speaker 2: So it's not just about total income benefit. It's also
• 1:33:48
  Speaker 2: about timing. And if you wait... you will reduce your
• 1:33:53
  Speaker 2: fertility as a man, right? So if you get married
• 1:33:56
  Speaker 2: when you're 35, you're probably gonna have one kid. If
• 1:33:59
  Speaker 2: you get married prior to 25, you're more likely to
• 1:34:01
  Speaker 2: have two or more. So that's something to consider, right?
• 1:34:05
  Speaker 2: And also you don't wanna go into college if you
• 1:34:09
  Speaker 2: have any, if at any point you think, you know,
• 1:34:13
  Speaker 2: I might drop out, don't do it. Because being a
• 1:34:16
  Speaker 2: dropout can be worse than having never gone in the
• 1:34:20
  Speaker 2: first place. So the reason why I say that is
• 1:34:24
  Speaker 2: just be very mindful of not just what they say
• 1:34:29
  Speaker 2: is the benefit, which they overstate massively, but also the
• 1:34:34
  Speaker 2: potential detriments. And you're going to be out of the workplace.
• 1:34:39
  Speaker 2: It's going to be a while before you really see
• 1:34:41
  Speaker 2: the benefits. And you're going to be subjected to a
• 1:34:44
  Speaker 2: culture that is very much heavily slanted against you. and
• 1:34:49
  Speaker 2: treats you like a convenience or an amenity for the
• 1:34:53
  Speaker 2: customers that they actually want, which is women. So you
• 1:34:56
  Speaker 2: got to think about that and don't go into nursing.
• 1:34:59
  Speaker 2: Please don't.
• 1:35:00
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:35:01
  Speaker 2: Do anything but that.
• 1:35:02
  Speaker 1: If you, if you're interested in a trade, you can
• 1:35:05
  Speaker 1: do that and start your own like small business or something.
• 1:35:09
  Speaker 1: Like I know guys around here that do landscaping and
• 1:35:13
  Speaker 1: heating and air conditioning. They make a lot of money
• 1:35:17
  Speaker 1: and they don't answer to anyone. So it's an option.
• 1:35:21
  Speaker 1: I know it's scary to try something like that, but
• 1:35:24
  Speaker 1: it might be the best move for men. Especially if
• 1:35:27
  Speaker 1: you have some friends that also want to do something
• 1:35:29
  Speaker 1: like that and avoid this feminized hellhole that we call
• 1:35:34
  Speaker 1: corporate America. But okay. Anyway, let's get back to the video.
• 1:35:41
  Speaker 1: Go a little bit more.
• 1:35:48
  Speaker 3: Okay, so first of all, you said it's a capitalism
• 1:35:52
  Speaker 3: problem along with a modernization problem. That doesn't explain how
• 1:35:55
  Speaker 3: communist China and communist Russia had this happen to them
• 1:35:59
  Speaker 3: first before any capitalist nation. Because in communism, it was, yeah,
• 1:36:04
  Speaker 3: have the babies, but mainly go to work because we
• 1:36:07
  Speaker 3: need to fill the factories and everybody needs to be
• 1:36:09
  Speaker 3: a proletariat worker, right? They experienced this before capitalist countries
• 1:36:14
  Speaker 3: did and to the biggest degree.
• 1:36:15
  Speaker 6: So it can't just be capitalism. Second of all, Telling
• 1:36:19
  Speaker 6: women to wait to have children.
• 1:36:21
  Speaker 2: Unfortunately, that's incorrect.
• 1:36:24
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 1:36:24
  Speaker 2: The Soviets maintained a higher fertility. Even past the West,
• 1:36:30
  Speaker 2: I believe. At least according to my statistical analysis.
• 1:36:36
  Speaker 1: But that's because they needed workers. So the purpose of
• 1:36:38
  Speaker 1: it was to make people go to work. So they
• 1:36:40
  Speaker 1: could have people go to work.
• 1:36:41
  Speaker 2: Well, yeah, but they still managed it. So, I don't know,
• 1:36:43
  Speaker 2: maybe tell women that the purpose is to create proletariats.
• 1:36:45
  Speaker 1: Who knows?
• 1:36:47
  Speaker 2: I'm not going to bat for communism. I'm just simply
• 1:36:49
  Speaker 2: saying the statistics. But the example that counters this is
• 1:36:55
  Speaker 2: probably the 60s, the 70s and 60s. Women were going
• 1:37:00
  Speaker 2: into the workplace and they were still having children. So
• 1:37:04
  Speaker 2: this isn't a capitalism thing. Rachel is right. There's no
• 1:37:12
  Speaker 2: reason to believe that We can't have an advanced capitalist system.
• 1:37:16
  Speaker 2: In fact, there's no reason to believe we can't have
• 1:37:17
  Speaker 2: an advanced capitalist system where most women don't work. So, yeah,
• 1:37:22
  Speaker 2: that's not. And also, how is it like she's saying
• 1:37:26
  Speaker 2: that this is all a result of fiat? And then
• 1:37:30
  Speaker 2: she says, but it's capitalism. Well, which is it? Yeah, well,
• 1:37:34
  Speaker 2: because capitalism is not. Is not like it. Capitalism is
• 1:37:39
  Speaker 2: taking profit. from being productive, right? Investing in capital and
• 1:37:46
  Speaker 2: being productive. I know it's become a bad word, but
• 1:37:49
  Speaker 2: let's get it back to what it actually means. It
• 1:37:52
  Speaker 2: means that a CEO takes his income from his product,
• 1:37:57
  Speaker 2: like the product that he, he, he creates by investing
• 1:38:01
  Speaker 2: in capital and labor. That's what it means.
• 1:38:04
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:38:04
  Speaker 2: Okay. So it doesn't have it. Yeah. It's, uh, and
• 1:38:09
  Speaker 2: when she says, well, this is a result of Fiat. Well, that's,
• 1:38:13
  Speaker 2: Not capitalism, is it? Because fiat currency isn't about productivity.
• 1:38:18
  Speaker 2: It isn't about substrate. It isn't about standing for delivery.
• 1:38:23
  Speaker 2: It's about making claims.
• 1:38:27
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 1:38:27
  Speaker 2: And protecting claims over productivity. So, yeah, that's like the
• 1:38:32
  Speaker 2: inverse of capitalism. So I'm not sure where you're going
• 1:38:36
  Speaker 2: for that, but OK, let's listen to some more.
• 1:38:39
  Speaker 1: Yeah, let's go a little bit more.
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  Speaker 6: Because IVF will be there.
• 1:38:43
  Speaker 3: People who say that haven't looked into IVF and how
• 1:38:46
  Speaker 3: abysmal the failure rate is. First of all, it's massively expensive,
• 1:38:49
  Speaker 3: and even if you completely subsidized it like they do
• 1:38:51
  Speaker 3: in Israel, it's horrific to put women through. Have you
• 1:38:55
  Speaker 3: ever had to inject yourself with a crap ton of
• 1:38:57
  Speaker 3: hormones and go through all the things that you have
• 1:38:59
  Speaker 3: to go through for IVF?
• 1:39:00
  Speaker 6: It's miserable. And if you wait.
• 1:39:02
  Speaker 3: Until you're 40, it has a less than 10% success rate,
• 1:39:06
  Speaker 3: about the same as conceiving naturally.
• 1:39:08
  Speaker 6: It doesn't work.
• 1:39:09
  Speaker 3: So telling women to wait for IVF is cruel and
• 1:39:13
  Speaker 3: unusual punishment.
• 1:39:14
  Speaker 6: It's a horrible idea.
• 1:39:15
  Speaker 4: I think that's called a straw man.
• 1:39:17
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 1:39:19
  Speaker 1: All right, I'll let her respond.
• 1:39:20
  Speaker 2: That's a great, yeah.
• 1:39:23
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I think.
• 1:39:25
  Speaker 4: Oh, what did you call that? I think we call
• 1:39:28
  Speaker 4: that a straw man. Because, yeah, of course my solution
• 1:39:31
  Speaker 4: that I've outlined isn't just wait for IVF.
• 1:39:33
  Speaker 1: She has not actually outlined any solutions. I just want
• 1:39:37
  Speaker 1: to remind everybody. I haven't heard anything yet, but she
• 1:39:39
  Speaker 1: keeps implying that she's already said something.
• 1:39:42
  Speaker 2: I don't know if.
• 1:39:45
  Speaker 1: Maybe she was speaking on like a frequency that was only...
• 1:39:49
  Speaker 1: You can only pick up if you're a bat. But
• 1:39:52
  Speaker 1: I didn't hear her say anything about a solution. So
• 1:39:55
  Speaker 1: let's see what she says, which she apparently has outlined
• 1:39:58
  Speaker 1: many times and everyone has ignored.
• 1:40:00
  Speaker 4: In fact, one of the things that I think most
• 1:40:02
  Speaker 4: importantly has to happen is a college level radical reformation.
• 1:40:06
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 1:40:06
  Speaker 4: The idea that to just like work in mid-level.
• 1:40:08
  Speaker 1: OK, what's a college level radical reformation? What is that?
• 1:40:12
  Speaker 1: What is that? What does that mean?
• 1:40:14
  Speaker 4: HR, you need a bachelor's degree is fucking crazy.
• 1:40:17
  Speaker 6: I'm sorry.
• 1:40:18
  Speaker 4: There's no world that you need to be like Aristotle in,
• 1:40:21
  Speaker 4: you know, back of the day said that doesn't matter.
• 1:40:24
  Speaker 4: What you need is more technical schools so that people
• 1:40:27
  Speaker 4: can expedite, get into the careers that they actually want,
• 1:40:29
  Speaker 4: that are economical, that are pushing our GDP. All these
• 1:40:32
  Speaker 4: fluffy industries, by the way, are what makes our country
• 1:40:35
  Speaker 4: dominate the world. So careful what you insult there.
• 1:40:37
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 1:40:38
  Speaker 4: These fluffy tech jobs, by the way, sitting there, what's
• 1:40:41
  Speaker 4: more like fluffy and soy than sitting and like working
• 1:40:44
  Speaker 4: on a computer. I don't know.
• 1:40:46
  Speaker 1: Rachel hasn't said anything about tech jobs being fluffy. I
• 1:40:48
  Speaker 1: think she was referring specifically to the jobs that women
• 1:40:52
  Speaker 1: typically pursue, which are these cushy office jobs, air condition
• 1:40:59
  Speaker 1: or climate controlled buildings, and not the stuff that men
• 1:41:03
  Speaker 1: do that generally is riskier for a number of reasons,
• 1:41:05
  Speaker 1: but also more demanding because, you know, if anything, AI
• 1:41:10
  Speaker 1: is killing women's jobs, right? I think I may be wrong.
• 1:41:14
  Speaker 1: I don't know. It's still early and it's hard to say,
• 1:41:17
  Speaker 1: but I think that AI is mostly dealing with the
• 1:41:20
  Speaker 1: kind of work that women in administrative positions would have done. So.
• 1:41:26
  Speaker 4: I feel like men should be sweating, right? By your mind.
• 1:41:30
  Speaker 4: I love men sitting on copiers.
• 1:41:32
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 1:41:32
  Speaker 4: You guys go off Kings. What you actually need to
• 1:41:35
  Speaker 4: talk about here is a radical reformation of the education system.
• 1:41:39
  Speaker 2: Can I actually respond to that?
• 1:41:41
  Speaker 1: Yeah, go ahead. All right.
• 1:41:43
  Speaker 2: The jobs that she's talking about have not increased their
• 1:41:45
  Speaker 2: male share since, like, 1970s.
• 1:41:50
  Speaker 3: Right?
• 1:41:50
  Speaker 2: These men have not gone into HR and PR and
• 1:41:56
  Speaker 2: into middle management. That's women. And bureaucratic jobs. So the
• 1:42:00
  Speaker 2: jobs that she's talking about, no. There hasn't been seen it.
• 1:42:03
  Speaker 2: There isn't an increase of men in those jobs. They're
• 1:42:07
  Speaker 2: overwhelmingly female. And the increase in those jobs has come
• 1:42:11
  Speaker 2: from women. So most women are doing a job that
• 1:42:18
  Speaker 2: is mandated by law. So it's a government job. Or
• 1:42:21
  Speaker 2: it's a job that is a result of government policy,
• 1:42:24
  Speaker 2: like HR and PR and all the DEI stuff. So yeah,
• 1:42:30
  Speaker 2: those jobs are female. And yes, they are threatened by AI.
• 1:42:36
  Speaker 2: So good luck. All right, let's keep going.
• 1:42:39
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:42:40
  Speaker 4: This craziness. Join me over here, okay? I'm down for it.
• 1:42:43
  Speaker 4: If you want to talk about women getting maternity leave
• 1:42:46
  Speaker 4: and dads getting pat leave and it being required by
• 1:42:48
  Speaker 4: the company to pay for it and not the government,
• 1:42:52
  Speaker 4: I'm all down for it. I want moms to stay
• 1:42:54
  Speaker 4: home for like a year. I want dads to stay
• 1:42:56
  Speaker 4: home for at least six months to a year. It's
• 1:42:58
  Speaker 4: tradable between the two. I think that's awesome. Norway does it,
• 1:43:01
  Speaker 4: and it's fucking awesome, by the way. If you.
• 1:43:08
  Speaker 1: If you do that, companies are going to be only
• 1:43:11
  Speaker 1: hiring people who they know are going to stay. And
• 1:43:14
  Speaker 1: you can't force them to hire people who are going
• 1:43:17
  Speaker 1: to have kids and want like a year off. So
• 1:43:20
  Speaker 1: you're creating a problem. Sorry.
• 1:43:23
  Speaker 4: Also, you want to know before you laugh about it,
• 1:43:25
  Speaker 4: the childhood outcomes.
• 1:43:27
  Speaker 1: Also, Norway is like, isn't it like 95% white? Is
• 1:43:31
  Speaker 1: that what you want? I think that might be one
• 1:43:35
  Speaker 1: of the reasons too, but whatever.
• 1:43:37
  Speaker 4: Of children whose parents get mat and pat leave, you
• 1:43:40
  Speaker 4: might want to guess it's really fucking good. Yeah, they're
• 1:43:42
  Speaker 4: really successful children. So I want to deal with the
• 1:43:46
  Speaker 4: birth rate issue just as much as you do by
• 1:43:48
  Speaker 4: radicalizing the speed of getting people from education into it.
• 1:43:51
  Speaker 4: I think the tax that we put on the young
• 1:43:54
  Speaker 4: in America is insane.
• 1:43:56
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but then how are you going to pay the
• 1:43:58
  Speaker 1: people who want maternity leave and paternity leave if you
• 1:44:00
  Speaker 1: don't tax the shit out of everybody else? Like, these
• 1:44:04
  Speaker 1: arguments are imploding on themselves. Oh, people should get paid
• 1:44:08
  Speaker 1: to stay home and raise their kids. But also, we
• 1:44:11
  Speaker 1: shouldn't tax anybody. Well, how the fuck are we going
• 1:44:15
  Speaker 1: to pay them? You're retarded.
• 1:44:18
  Speaker 4: You want boomers to stop just gobbling?
• 1:44:21
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, you were quiet for a while, so
• 1:44:23
  Speaker 1: go ahead.
• 1:44:24
  Speaker 2: I had to switch my microphone. Okay. Okay. What does
• 1:44:30
  Speaker 2: this fucking matter? Like, I feel like we're in the
• 1:44:33
  Speaker 2: weeds here. Let's drag it back to what matters. There
• 1:44:37
  Speaker 2: was one ideology that said we want to destroy marriage.
• 1:44:41
  Speaker 2: What is it, Simon de Bouvier, who said we can't
• 1:44:43
  Speaker 2: allow men, women to choose to be wives and mothers
• 1:44:46
  Speaker 2: because too many wouldn't do it?
• 1:44:48
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Rachel said that at the beginning of this debate.
• 1:44:51
  Speaker 1: Simone de Beauvoir.
• 1:44:54
  Speaker 2: Eternity leave. Maternity leave. How we want to organize family life,
• 1:44:58
  Speaker 2: I don't think that it's really up to us. Why
• 1:45:00
  Speaker 2: are we talking about this? It's up to the individuals
• 1:45:02
  Speaker 2: who are having children. Okay? Let's just get back to
• 1:45:06
  Speaker 2: brass tacks. There is one ideology that situated the site
• 1:45:11
  Speaker 2: of female oppression in marriage. There's one ideology that said, hey, marriage,
• 1:45:16
  Speaker 2: let's destroy that. Okay? And they did. And marriage is
• 1:45:22
  Speaker 2: where fertility happens. All right, who cares about the rest
• 1:45:28
  Speaker 2: of this? It is irrelevant. Okay, let's see what... Yeah,
• 1:45:35
  Speaker 2: all right.
• 1:45:37
  Speaker 4: Up all the wealth at the top and then holding
• 1:45:39
  Speaker 4: on to their assets so that it's not there for
• 1:45:41
  Speaker 4: anybody else. And I think the moment you make life affordable,
• 1:45:43
  Speaker 4: so it's not $ 45, 000 to have a baby, suddenly people
• 1:45:46
  Speaker 4: want to have kids a lot more.
• 1:45:49
  Speaker 2: Okay, look, if you're going to bring in demographics and
• 1:45:53
  Speaker 2: impact on fertility... And of course you're not going to
• 1:45:56
  Speaker 2: recognize this, but the biggest impact is a woman being single.
• 1:46:00
  Speaker 2: And the biggest impact on her being single is whether
• 1:46:03
  Speaker 2: or not she's on the left. Whether or not she's
• 1:46:06
  Speaker 2: a feminist. Whether or not she actually agrees that women
• 1:46:11
  Speaker 2: shouldn't have the ability to become wives and mothers because
• 1:46:14
  Speaker 2: it's the site of female oppression. Because poor women have children.
• 1:46:20
  Speaker 2: They have four children in some cases. So it's not
• 1:46:24
  Speaker 2: poverty or it's not poorness. And they managed to get
• 1:46:29
  Speaker 2: it together in a way that a wealthy liberal woman
• 1:46:32
  Speaker 2: just can't. For some reason.
• 1:46:37
  Speaker 1: All right, let's.
• 1:46:39
  Speaker 2: Boy.
• 1:46:39
  Speaker 1: OK, what?
• 1:46:40
  Speaker 2: Rachel just looks really done with this shit.
• 1:46:45
  Speaker 1: She's just like tired of, you know, the way that.
• 1:46:48
  Speaker 1: First of all, Kyla's arguments, they kind of implode on themselves.
• 1:46:51
  Speaker 1: But also her tone is really like she's becoming more
• 1:46:56
  Speaker 1: and more sarcastic and obnoxious. Yeah. But like at first
• 1:46:59
  Speaker 1: she was really pandering, especially to men. Oh, it's so annoying.
• 1:47:03
  Speaker 1: She was like, oh, guys, I really care about you
• 1:47:05
  Speaker 1: so much. I do. I really do. It's like, shut up.
• 1:47:09
  Speaker 4: But anyway, that's going to be my guess.
• 1:47:17
  Speaker 3: Yeah, so this is a math problem, which is why
• 1:47:20
  Speaker 3: I started my opening with all those infographics for you,
• 1:47:24
  Speaker 3: because you cannot subsidize your way out of this problem.
• 1:47:28
  Speaker 6: In order to be able to have enough.
• 1:47:30
  Speaker 1: Nope, what, nope, like you disagree with her? No, you can't,
• 1:47:34
  Speaker 1: I know, I agree with Rachel.
• 1:47:38
  Speaker 2: You cannot subsidize yourself out of this problem. I might disagree...
• 1:47:42
  Speaker 2: Because I have said that if you want to spend
• 1:47:44
  Speaker 2: money on anything, maybe IVF would be the thing to
• 1:47:47
  Speaker 2: spend money on. Not welfare, not replacing men, not family
• 1:47:52
  Speaker 2: courts or collecting child support payments. But maybe you shouldn't
• 1:47:59
  Speaker 2: do that. And also, if we do that, we do
• 1:48:02
  Speaker 2: that as, hey, we screwed ourselves. Let's fix it in
• 1:48:06
  Speaker 2: whatever way we can in the next generation. Don't screw
• 1:48:09
  Speaker 2: ourselves kind of situation. It's not It is not a
• 1:48:12
  Speaker 2: solution we want to embrace.
• 1:48:14
  Speaker 1: Okay, it's expensive. No, I, well, that's, I think what
• 1:48:18
  Speaker 1: she is saying, cause she didn't make some kind of
• 1:48:21
  Speaker 1: like religious argument against it or anything like that. She
• 1:48:24
  Speaker 1: simply said the process is very, um, inconvenient for women.
• 1:48:30
  Speaker 1: It's very expensive and it doesn't work like most of
• 1:48:33
  Speaker 1: the time. So it's like, what, what, why even do it?
• 1:48:37
  Speaker 1: Why don't you just consider, uh, getting married and having
• 1:48:41
  Speaker 1: kids early instead of like believing. Cause I think what
• 1:48:43
  Speaker 1: the reason why women put it off is also because
• 1:48:47
  Speaker 1: they believe either because they have been told to, or
• 1:48:50
  Speaker 1: they want to, I think it's mostly that they want
• 1:48:52
  Speaker 1: to believe that they can wait. And the truth is
• 1:48:55
  Speaker 1: that if you want kids, you have to consider that
• 1:48:58
  Speaker 1: early because Consider it. I'm not saying everyone has to.
• 1:49:02
  Speaker 1: I'm saying that if it's something you think you want,
• 1:49:06
  Speaker 1: you have to consider it early. And if you don't,
• 1:49:08
  Speaker 1: you can't just be like, well, they'll invent something that'll
• 1:49:12
  Speaker 1: let me do this later. Because there's no guarantee of that.
• 1:49:15
  Speaker 1: You might not find a man at that point either because,
• 1:49:18
  Speaker 1: you know, the men... of this same generation, they are
• 1:49:21
  Speaker 1: looking for women like way earlier than these women are.
• 1:49:25
  Speaker 1: So the men are going to find women, probably, because
• 1:49:28
  Speaker 1: there are some, right? They're out there. So these women
• 1:49:31
  Speaker 1: that are waiting, they're just going to find themselves like they've,
• 1:49:35
  Speaker 1: you know, put up their eggs or whatever. And yeah,
• 1:49:37
  Speaker 1: the truth is, is that the artificial insemination stuff, the
• 1:49:40
  Speaker 1: IVF stuff, and the sperm banks, they don't work most
• 1:49:44
  Speaker 1: of the time. They have a really high failure rate.
• 1:49:46
  Speaker 1: So it's like, is this... I can understand... that it
• 1:49:49
  Speaker 1: should have, you know, be like a last ditch of
• 1:49:52
  Speaker 1: a final like backup option for sure. But it's, it's
• 1:49:56
  Speaker 1: also still impractical, like completely impractical.
• 1:49:59
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 1:49:59
  Speaker 1: So.
• 1:50:00
  Speaker 2: And then the other thing is, what are they delaying
• 1:50:02
  Speaker 2: their child wearing our child having children for if they
• 1:50:06
  Speaker 2: want them?
• 1:50:07
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:50:07
  Speaker 2: Like why are they spending like their first, even if, okay.
• 1:50:12
  Speaker 2: Even if you spend your early twenties trying to find
• 1:50:15
  Speaker 2: a partner, right. Why are you spending it having random hookups?
• 1:50:20
  Speaker 2: instead of trying to find a partner. Because what seems
• 1:50:27
  Speaker 2: to be happening is the life cycle is you spend,
• 1:50:29
  Speaker 2: you do the debauchery in college and then you spend
• 1:50:32
  Speaker 2: your late 20s and 30s trying to find your partner.
• 1:50:36
  Speaker 2: Maybe you should slide that back and forego the debauchery
• 1:50:40
  Speaker 2: and try to find the partner when it's more feasible.
• 1:50:44
  Speaker 2: And then in your late 20s and 30s, you can
• 1:50:47
  Speaker 2: get down to business. But anyway, I think that we
• 1:50:53
  Speaker 2: should continue.
• 1:50:55
  Speaker 1: All right.
• 1:50:55
  Speaker 2: And maybe find a place that we can.
• 1:50:57
  Speaker 1: Put our bookmark. Yeah, we're going to stop soon, but
• 1:50:59
  Speaker 1: we can, yeah.
• 1:51:01
  Speaker 3: Okay.
• 1:51:01
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 1:51:02
  Speaker 6: We're not Norway. This is a very large country.
• 1:51:04
  Speaker 4: Well, I said private institutions would cover it. At least
• 1:51:08
  Speaker 4: deal with what I'm saying. Or you could straw man.
• 1:51:10
  Speaker 4: That's fine. We're doing straw man hour now.
• 1:51:12
  Speaker 3: Go ahead. You can't subsidize your way out of this.
• 1:51:15
  Speaker 3: We'll just pay for people to be able to be parents.
• 1:51:18
  Speaker 3: We'll just give them infinite time off so they can
• 1:51:20
  Speaker 3: spend more time. I already explained this is a math problem.
• 1:51:23
  Speaker 3: When you have one third of men in the country
• 1:51:25
  Speaker 3: not even participating in the workforce, you're Your social safety
• 1:51:28
  Speaker 3: nets are already about to collapse. You cannot add paid
• 1:51:31
  Speaker 3: family leave and have everybody working a part-time job.
• 1:51:36
  Speaker 2: Okay, you can have this, my dear, but you can't
• 1:51:42
  Speaker 2: have 60% of women employed by the government and other
• 1:51:48
  Speaker 2: government mandated services.
• 1:51:50
  Speaker 1: What else are they going to do, Allison? Dig ditches?
• 1:51:52
  Speaker 1: They're not going to do those things. Well, but now
• 1:51:57
  Speaker 1: they're being oppressed again. Children are oppression. They can do
• 1:52:02
  Speaker 1: other work, but not that work. Isn't it funny? Let's
• 1:52:09
  Speaker 1: go along with what you're saying, right? That women can't
• 1:52:11
  Speaker 1: work for the government because they can't take government pay.
• 1:52:14
  Speaker 1: They have to get regular jobs. But there's only so
• 1:52:16
  Speaker 1: many of those that are going to be cushy enough.
• 1:52:19
  Speaker 1: So they may actually have to do real physical work,
• 1:52:22
  Speaker 1: which is not going to be as, let's say.
• 1:52:27
  Speaker 1: As productive as the men, but at least we'll have
• 1:52:29
  Speaker 1: more people doing it. But the thing that's funny about
• 1:52:32
  Speaker 1: that is that the reason why those women will be
• 1:52:35
  Speaker 1: in that position is because they didn't want to stay
• 1:52:38
  Speaker 1: home and raise kids because that was too much work. Meanwhile,
• 1:52:41
  Speaker 1: they're going to be, I mean, even if I'm being
• 1:52:44
  Speaker 1: really hyperbolic and saying that they're going to do jobs
• 1:52:46
  Speaker 1: that they normally would never do, like lumbering, like being
• 1:52:50
  Speaker 1: lumberjacks or lumberjanes or Alaskan fishermen or working in construction
• 1:52:57
  Speaker 1: or repairing the roads or roofing or you know whatever
• 1:53:02
  Speaker 1: right in the in the coal mine like i'm not
• 1:53:04
  Speaker 1: saying that it's impossible but if those women find themselves
• 1:53:08
  Speaker 1: doing those jobs like later on uh because they decided
• 1:53:13
  Speaker 1: they didn't want to have kids because being a mother
• 1:53:15
  Speaker 1: is oppression and it's slave labor well isn't that funny
• 1:53:18
  Speaker 1: you're actually doing harder work than you would have if
• 1:53:21
  Speaker 1: you'd have just became a mother or whatever, right? It's
• 1:53:25
  Speaker 1: just interesting because it's going to be more, it'll be
• 1:53:30
  Speaker 1: more work, you know, it'll make the parenting thing look
• 1:53:33
  Speaker 1: really appealing is what I'm saying. So, anyway.
• 1:53:40
  Speaker 2: I just, I, how much do men, how much are
• 1:53:43
  Speaker 2: you going to pile on men? If you're already men,
• 1:53:46
  Speaker 2: you have to fund these avocado toast jobs, the middle management,
• 1:53:51
  Speaker 2: the PR, the HR, the, The government mandated jobs and
• 1:53:55
  Speaker 2: the government jobs. How much more are you going to
• 1:53:57
  Speaker 2: pile on this increasingly destroyed substrate of men who actually
• 1:54:03
  Speaker 2: do labor? Or actually are productive either through labor or
• 1:54:08
  Speaker 2: producing things.
• 1:54:10
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:54:11
  Speaker 2: All right. Let's let's let's.
• 1:54:12
  Speaker 3: See what Rachel subsidize college for everyone. This is what
• 1:54:17
  Speaker 3: started the problem. The smart countries that are gonna still
• 1:54:21
  Speaker 3: be here and are gonna be dominating in the future,
• 1:54:23
  Speaker 3: I would wager are the ones who are going to
• 1:54:25
  Speaker 3: prioritize producing actual goods, including things like food, their own power,
• 1:54:32
  Speaker 3: they will have energy independence, that's all male-dominated industries. The
• 1:54:37
  Speaker 3: smart countries are going to say, hey, ladies, here's some
• 1:54:40
  Speaker 3: incentive for you to stay out of the workforce early
• 1:54:43
  Speaker 3: on in life.
• 1:54:44
  Speaker 6: Have a family.
• 1:54:45
  Speaker 3: We're going to make women staying home and raising their
• 1:54:47
  Speaker 3: own children the affordable thing. Not some kind of weird
• 1:54:50
  Speaker 3: government subsidy where mommy and daddy both work, but you
• 1:54:53
  Speaker 3: get a bunch of government subsidized time off for like
• 1:54:56
  Speaker 3: the first year or two of your child's life. I
• 1:54:58
  Speaker 3: don't know if you know this, but they live longer
• 1:55:00
  Speaker 3: than a year or two.
• 1:55:01
  Speaker 6: They still need you when they get older.
• 1:55:04
  Speaker 4: My dad young, unfortunately.
• 1:55:06
  Speaker 6: Be a lot smarter.
• 1:55:07
  Speaker 3: Rather than to just double down on all the shit
• 1:55:10
  Speaker 3: that has caused all the problems to say, maybe this
• 1:55:12
  Speaker 3: was the wrong approach and maybe looking into the future,
• 1:55:15
  Speaker 3: we should prioritize long-term stability and make families independent of
• 1:55:19
  Speaker 3: the government rather than continue to double down on government's
• 1:55:22
  Speaker 3: your daddy policies.
• 1:55:23
  Speaker 4: Gotcha.
• 1:55:25
  Speaker 2: Okay. All right. All you have to do is just
• 1:55:29
  Speaker 2: take away the incentives for women's jobs. Of course, that'll
• 1:55:36
  Speaker 2: crash the GDP, but women's jobs, like, stop funding them.
• 1:55:45
  Speaker 2: Stop making the government jobs. These government jobs are paid
• 1:55:50
  Speaker 2: for by men's taxes. Lower them to the bare minimum.
• 1:55:57
  Speaker 2: And then where are women going to work? They're not
• 1:56:02
  Speaker 2: going to take men's jobs. When you get rid of
• 1:56:05
  Speaker 2: this entire positional economy, excuse me, I'm gonna cough. Okay,
• 1:56:13
  Speaker 2: sorry guys. When you get rid of this entire positional economy,
• 1:56:17
  Speaker 2: when you get rid of the government jobs, plus all
• 1:56:21
  Speaker 2: of the jobs that are really about HR and PR,
• 1:56:26
  Speaker 2: then you're left with the jobs that produce something or
• 1:56:31
  Speaker 2: create a service or provide an infrastructure provide infrastructure, which
• 1:56:35
  Speaker 2: are dominated by men. And then that's the solution. You
• 1:56:40
  Speaker 2: don't have to take anything away from women. Just stop
• 1:56:42
  Speaker 2: giving something to women. I guess that's the same thing
• 1:56:44
  Speaker 2: in their minds. Keep going. All right.
• 1:56:50
  Speaker 4: So speaking of fluffy dream worlds, oh my goodness. Honestly, Rachel,
• 1:56:57
  Speaker 4: I want to live in your fan fiction utopia too.
• 1:57:00
  Speaker 4: It sounds fucking awesome. How are you going to do
• 1:57:02
  Speaker 4: that though? Because it seems like you know, if you
• 1:57:04
  Speaker 4: want your economy to be successful and booming, it seems
• 1:57:07
  Speaker 4: like the countries who are best at it went, well,
• 1:57:09
  Speaker 4: we definitely want all people who are best at human
• 1:57:12
  Speaker 4: capital to be in the spaces that they're most efficient at.
• 1:57:16
  Speaker 1: Go ahead.
• 1:57:18
  Speaker 2: Okay, wait, but doesn't this contradict what you said about
• 1:57:22
  Speaker 2: Trifold's dilemma? You're saying that capitalism sucks, right? And now
• 1:57:29
  Speaker 2: you're saying that The economy that followed, well, your version
• 1:57:33
  Speaker 2: of capitalism, which is really financialization, you know, the economies
• 1:57:37
  Speaker 2: that followed that are the most successful. And yet you're
• 1:57:41
  Speaker 2: also criticizing them as being terrible. Am I losing my
• 1:57:48
  Speaker 2: mind here?
• 1:57:50
  Speaker 1: No, she is, of course, contradicting herself. Yeah. And she's
• 1:57:55
  Speaker 1: also projecting, but go ahead.
• 1:57:58
  Speaker 2: She's saying that these are the best economies. These are
• 1:58:00
  Speaker 2: the best economies, except nobody can afford a family or live.
• 1:58:04
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah.
• 1:58:06
  Speaker 2: I know.
• 1:58:07
  Speaker 1: Which is it?
• 1:58:09
  Speaker 2: Nobody... nobody can make enough money to have children in
• 1:58:11
  Speaker 2: this best economy and it's the best economy because we
• 1:58:15
  Speaker 2: put women in the jobs they should be in but
• 1:58:18
  Speaker 2: nobody can afford a.
• 1:58:19
  Speaker 1: House yeah modernization is bad but also the best because
• 1:58:23
  Speaker 1: women are working now but modernization is bad it caused
• 1:58:27
  Speaker 1: our problems.
• 1:58:27
  Speaker 2: Yeah Yeah, modern sedition is bad, but it also causes
• 1:58:32
  Speaker 2: the fertility problem and cost of living crises. I don't know.
• 1:58:38
  Speaker 2: It's like, like I said, I keep thinking, like, is
• 1:58:40
  Speaker 2: this gobbledygook unless she gets the gotcha?
• 1:58:43
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Right?
• 1:58:44
  Speaker 2: And then she just filibusters. Oh, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Like,
• 1:58:47
  Speaker 2: I mean, I also filibuster, so let's just say I
• 1:58:52
  Speaker 2: see it when I know it when I see it.
• 1:58:54
  Speaker 2: She's filibustering, and then she does the gotcha. All right.
• 1:58:59
  Speaker 1: Do one more. Yeah, let's let's do one more and
• 1:59:02
  Speaker 1: see what she says to it.
• 1:59:03
  Speaker 2: Bookmark.
• 1:59:04
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:59:05
  Speaker 4: It seems like, you know, we've done things like we've
• 1:59:08
  Speaker 4: tried to have comparative advantages. So we go, why have
• 1:59:11
  Speaker 4: one woman at home teach two kids? When that same
• 1:59:13
  Speaker 4: woman who's a really talented teacher can teach 15 kids
• 1:59:17
  Speaker 4: and that other woman who is now not teaching her
• 1:59:19
  Speaker 4: kids because another woman that is wonderful and that we
• 1:59:21
  Speaker 4: regularly trust is teaching her children and that woman can
• 1:59:24
  Speaker 4: go and do something else successful in whatever way that
• 1:59:26
  Speaker 4: she would be. Maybe it's making delicious brownies, which by
• 1:59:29
  Speaker 4: the way, don't knock brownies, okay? Never knock brownies until
• 1:59:32
  Speaker 4: you've tried one, right? But when we're talking about.
• 1:59:35
  Speaker 1: Who hasn't tried a brownie?
• 1:59:36
  Speaker 4: Who hasn't tried brownies?
• 1:59:41
  Speaker 1: Why is she like making arguments against things Rachel never said?
• 1:59:45
  Speaker 1: You're anti-brownie. Nobody said anything about that. All right. I'm sorry.
• 1:59:49
  Speaker 1: Go ahead, Allison. What are you going to say? Or
• 1:59:51
  Speaker 1: do you want to like let her finish?
• 1:59:54
  Speaker 2: No, I think we should end on the brownie straw man.
• 1:59:57
  Speaker 1: All right. We'll end it on the brownie straw man.
• 1:59:59
  Speaker 1: That's fine.
• 1:59:59
  Speaker 2: I think this is the most solid argument that not
• 2:00:02
  Speaker 2: so erudite.
• 2:00:04
  Speaker 1: Well, here's the thing though. Like, She wants women in education.
• 2:00:10
  Speaker 1: She wants them to be teachers.
• 2:00:11
  Speaker 2: Why?
• 2:00:12
  Speaker 1: Because women dominate education, but that's because those are government jobs, mostly.
• 2:00:18
  Speaker 1: But if you're homeschooling, you don't need, first of all,
• 2:00:23
  Speaker 1: there are, we do home, like the people that live here,
• 2:00:27
  Speaker 1: they do homeschooling. And they take turns. The women will
• 2:00:31
  Speaker 1: teach their neighbors' kids as well, and then they'll, like,
• 2:00:35
  Speaker 1: pass it on to other people. So it's not something
• 2:00:38
  Speaker 1: that you need the government involved with, is what I'm saying.
• 2:00:41
  Speaker 1: The government doesn't have to be involved with education. But
• 2:00:43
  Speaker 1: Kylo wants women making money in this, and, you know,
• 2:00:47
  Speaker 1: homeschooling doesn't make money, per se, but it does educate
• 2:00:51
  Speaker 1: your kids. So.
• 2:00:55
  Speaker 1: Anyway... Go ahead, Allison. Do you want to say anything else?
• 2:01:02
  Speaker 2: I think I can agree with not so erudite. Brownies
• 2:01:06
  Speaker 2: are pretty tasty.
• 2:01:07
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I like brownies.
• 2:01:10
  Speaker 2: I don't think I agree with casting shade that Rachel
• 2:01:13
  Speaker 2: would not agree with brownies being tasty.
• 2:01:15
  Speaker 1: No, that was completely out of line.
• 2:01:19
  Speaker 2: Nobody said that.
• 2:01:21
  Speaker 1: I just want to point out that.
• 2:01:27
  Speaker 2: She talks about fiat. So she's, I don't know, maybe
• 2:01:32
  Speaker 2: I shouldn't talk about this because it might take a
• 2:01:34
  Speaker 2: little long, but going off the Bretton Woods, going off
• 2:01:37
  Speaker 2: the gold standard, why? Well, the professed reason is to
• 2:01:44
  Speaker 2: stop speculators from distorting the worth of the dollar. And
• 2:01:50
  Speaker 2: those speculators were like the Swiss banks, the Bank of
• 2:01:54
  Speaker 2: England and the French banks, taking their gold back from
• 2:01:58
  Speaker 2: the American reserve. And they did that because they were
• 2:02:03
  Speaker 2: worried because they could see that the U.S. was creating
• 2:02:08
  Speaker 2: more claims on their gold than they could honor. So
• 2:02:11
  Speaker 2: that's what was happening there. And then the U.S. goes
• 2:02:17
  Speaker 2: on the fiat standard. And I notice what's really interesting is,
• 2:02:20
  Speaker 2: first of all, when you look at what was going
• 2:02:22
  Speaker 2: on at that time, I know she brings this up
• 2:02:24
  Speaker 2: as some kind of gotcha. But if you actually look
• 2:02:27
  Speaker 2: at what's going on at the time, when they said, oh,
• 2:02:30
  Speaker 2: we're going to take the U.S. dollar off the gold standard, Walker,
• 2:02:34
  Speaker 2: who was part of all this, who was the undersecretary
• 2:02:37
  Speaker 2: for the Treasury at the time, thought or at least
• 2:02:41
  Speaker 2: seemed to assume that they were going to go back
• 2:02:43
  Speaker 2: on the gold standard and they were going to repin
• 2:02:47
  Speaker 2: it at $ 38 versus $ 35. So when they took it
• 2:02:49
  Speaker 2: off the gold standard, an ounce of gold was worth $ 35.
• 2:02:53
  Speaker 2: And he thought it was going to be repinned at
• 2:02:56
  Speaker 2: They thought it was temporary. But suddenly it didn't become
• 2:02:59
  Speaker 2: temporary because these things never are. And what's really interesting
• 2:03:04
  Speaker 2: is when you look, it's just really fast. I'm just
• 2:03:06
  Speaker 2: going to leave this for people to cogitate on. Because
• 2:03:09
  Speaker 2: while all this argument was happening with government policy, like
• 2:03:14
  Speaker 2: fiscal policy in the US government, we see the Ford Foundation, Carnegie,
• 2:03:20
  Speaker 2: and eventually government as well, starting to fund the fem-cell
• 2:03:25
  Speaker 2: lunatics who were concocting the bullshit known as feminism. So
• 2:03:33
  Speaker 2: at the same time, as we go off the gold standard,
• 2:03:38
  Speaker 2: all of feminism starts to get funded. Like, I mean,
• 2:03:42
  Speaker 2: two of the year almost.
• 2:03:45
  Speaker 5: Isn't that fascinating?
• 2:03:46
  Speaker 2: It's just an interesting coincidence. that the primary move to
• 2:03:51
  Speaker 2: going from a substrate-based economy where claims are honored to
• 2:03:56
  Speaker 2: an economy of claims and positional signaling coincides with a
• 2:04:03
  Speaker 2: lot of the actors involved in this funding feminism. And again,
• 2:04:08
  Speaker 2: when I first read the early corpus, I'm like, who
• 2:04:12
  Speaker 2: read this crap and was like, yeah, this should become
• 2:04:15
  Speaker 2: This should become the foundation for how we teach men
• 2:04:19
  Speaker 2: and women about the relationship between men and women. This
• 2:04:22
  Speaker 2: should become the academic foundation of family, right? Our understanding
• 2:04:27
  Speaker 2: of family, of research into family and the relationship between
• 2:04:29
  Speaker 2: men and women. It's these fem cells, these insane, smelly,
• 2:04:35
  Speaker 2: resentful fem cells, right?
• 2:04:38
  Speaker 5: Everyone's like, yeah, these are the women.
• 2:04:41
  Speaker 2: And their wonderings, that should become the foundation for the
• 2:04:44
  Speaker 2: most essential relationship in our society. That's what we should
• 2:04:49
  Speaker 2: base it on. The rantings of a bunch of grotesque,
• 2:04:57
  Speaker 2: personality disordered women. And I was always looking at this
• 2:05:00
  Speaker 2: and I'm like, how did that happen? And I wonder
• 2:05:04
  Speaker 2: if what they were saying was really useful To the
• 2:05:08
  Speaker 2: people who wanted to create a positional economy, switch the
• 2:05:12
  Speaker 2: economy from something that is about delivering productivity and making
• 2:05:17
  Speaker 2: things work and doing the thing to something that's about
• 2:05:20
  Speaker 2: signaling your position and extracting what you can from it.
• 2:05:23
  Speaker 5: I wonder.
• 2:05:24
  Speaker 2: I'm just putting it out there, guys, because it's such
• 2:05:26
  Speaker 2: a coincidence. You need to look at this timeline. It's amazing.
• 2:05:30
  Speaker 2: All right. I'll hand it back to you, Brian. Actually, no.
• 2:05:33
  Speaker 1: Wait.
• 2:05:33
  Speaker 2: I'll do the things.
• 2:05:34
  Speaker 3: Wait.
• 2:05:34
  Speaker 1: You didn't do the things. Okay.
• 2:05:36
  Speaker 2: All right.
• 2:05:36
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 2:05:36
  Speaker 2: Yeah. I only signaled them, you see. Now I have
• 2:05:40
  Speaker 2: to actually do them.
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