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- 0:00Welcome to reformed thinking. Today we're really getting into
- 0:04the weeds, looking at Jonathan Edwards and how he constructs
- 0:07his argument for original sin. Right.
- 0:09Specifically, that first foundational step.
- 0:12Exactly. We're focusing on how he tries
- 0:14to prove that there's a natural propensity to sin in humanity.
- 0:18And crucially, he separates this from proving whether that
- 0:21tendency is actually, you know, morally corrupt.
- 0:24That comes later. Yeah, that separation is key to
- 0:26understanding his method. So our mission, if you like, for
- 0:30this deep dive is to really unpack the logical steps Edwards
- 0:33takes. We want to see how he argues
- 0:35that the universal, constant fact that everyone fails to keep
- 0:39God's law perfectly isn't just bad luck or circumstance.
- 0:43But that it demonstrates an inherent, an effectual tendency
- 0:46within human nature itself, a tendency towards sin and, as he
- 0:50argues, consequently, towards eternal ruin.
- 0:53So we need to follow his logic carefully, distinguish the
- 0:56observation, what actually happens from the judgable about
- 0:59it. OK, let's start with the logical
- 1:01framework. Yeah, the groundwork, the big
- 1:03question here seems simple, but it's got huge implications,
- 1:06doesn't it? Does the fact that everyone
- 1:08without exception commits some sin prove there's a fixed
- 1:12natural tendency towards it? Or could it just be, you know, a
- 1:16series of unfortunate events influenced by the world around
- 1:19us? Edwards really pushes us to
- 1:21think. Almost like scientists here
- 1:25looking at human behavior as data.
- 1:27Right. Cause and effect.
- 1:29And the first thing is his definition of propensity or
- 1:31tendency. This is where he sets the stage
- 1:33very carefully. How does he define it then?
- 1:36He defines it not as some inner feeling, but as a prevailing
- 1:40liableness or exposiveness to a specific outcome.
- 1:44It's functional. OK.
- 1:45So it's about the likelihood of something happening based on the
- 1:48nature of the thing. Pretty much.
- 1:49It's about a fixed reality that you figure out by seeing what
- 1:52results it produces. It's not something you just know
- 1:54intuitively, you have to infer it.
- 1:56You infer it, and he's very clear.
- 1:57It is inferred no other way than by observation of events.
- 2:02So if we can't see the tendency itself, what kind of observation
- 2:05proves it? It's about the commonness or
- 2:07constancy. That's the.
- 2:08Key, not just a one off event. No, he says.
- 2:11If something happens just once, or maybe sporadically, reason
- 2:15can't conclude there's a fixed propensity.
- 2:18A single mistake could be an accident.
- 2:20But if it happens consistently. Constant failure points to a
- 2:23fixed reality in the cause. To understand the nature of
- 2:27something, you need steady, predictable results.
- 2:30OK, so that brings us to the cause and effect rule he relies
- 2:33on. Yeah, this is the philosophical
- 2:35engine of the argument. He's basically saying human
- 2:37nature is like a system and we're observing its output.
- 2:41And if the output the effect is steady.
- 2:43Then the cause must be steady. A steady effect argues a steady
- 2:46'cause it's basic logic. So if the effect sinfulness
- 2:50happens consistently in everyone.
- 2:53Then reason tells you there must be a stated prevalence in the
- 2:56cause. The underlying tendency has to
- 2:58be strong enough, effectual enough, to guarantee that
- 3:01outcome it. Can't be a weak 'cause if the
- 3:03effect is universal. Right.
- 3:04If the cause wasn't sufficient, the effect wouldn't be so
- 3:07constant. The fact that it always happens
- 3:09proves the cause has this systematic bias or weight
- 3:12towards that result. A preponderation, as he puts it.
- 3:16Which leads us nicely into that dye analogy that really makes it
- 3:19clear. It does.
- 3:20It cuts through a lot of the abstraction, he says.
- 3:22Imagine a dye. You throw it millions of times,
- 3:24no skill involved, just random throws.
- 3:27OK, and suppose it constantly falls on the same side every
- 3:31single time, or almost every time.
- 3:33What do you conclude? Well.
- 3:35You know the dye is loaded, right?
- 3:36Something's wrong with its balance or.
- 3:38Weight. Exactly.
- 3:39You'd have not the least doubt there's a propensity in the dyes
- 3:42constitution. Maybe it's weighted unevenly.
- 3:45The point is you don't need to see inside the dye.
- 3:48The constant outcome is the proof.
- 3:50The constancy of the effect proves the underlying state.
- 3:53So in this analogy, human nature is the dye, yes, And all the
- 3:57different lives people live in all sorts of circumstances.
- 4:00Those are the throes, right? And the constant result falling
- 4:04on the side of sin must logically prove there's an
- 4:07internal fixed propensity in human nature itself.
- 4:11We're just watching the mechanism work.
- 4:12And notice at this stage he hasn't even touched whether this
- 4:15propensity is morally bad or good.
- 4:19He's just established its existence as a fact.
- 4:21Right, he's locked it in based on observation and causality.
- 4:25He's observed the universal failure, linked it through the
- 4:28cause and effect rule to an unseen internal state.
- 4:32It's clever because it forces opponents to either deny basic
- 4:36causality, which is irrational. Or deny the observable fact that
- 4:40everyone sins, which goes against scripture and, frankly,
- 4:43experience. So the existence of the
- 4:45propensity is established before we even get to the arguments
- 4:48about fairness or blame. OK, so we have the logical tool
- 4:51now. What's the data?
- 4:53What's the steady effect Edwards points to?
- 4:55It's that universal, unavoidable fact.
- 4:58All mankind commit some sin that everyone fails to keep God's law
- 5:03perfectly. This is the baseline reality
- 5:05acknowledged even by those who argued against him on original
- 5:08sin. And we need to be clear about
- 5:09the standard here. It's perfect obedience, not just
- 5:12being mostly good. Absolutely.
- 5:14The moral law demands perfection.
- 5:16Any deviation, even the smallest one, counts as failure.
- 5:19And this failure, he says, is the issue that all men do
- 5:22actually come to. Everyone ends up here.
- 5:24And because it's universal, every single person sins at
- 5:28least once. This single fact triggers the
- 5:31catastrophic consequences. He talks.
- 5:33About OK, what are those? This guaranteed failure results
- 5:36in a degree of sinfulness that he argues, implies and infers
- 5:41utter ruin, even extreme misery and eternal ruin.
- 5:44Because the law is absolute. Yes.
- 5:46If the law says the soul that sins shall die and everyone
- 5:50sins, then the logical result under that legal framework is
- 5:54unavoidable. So no man living can be
- 5:56justified by the law. Correct.
- 5:58Every single person is automatically exposed to
- 6:01condemnation simply by failing to meet the standard of perfect
- 6:04obedience. The ruin is guaranteed by the
- 6:07failure. It doesn't matter how big or
- 6:09small the sin is at this point in the gagic.
- 6:11Not for the basic fact of condemnation.
- 6:13Under law, any sin breaks the covenant of works it ensures a
- 6:17demerit of and just exposing this to eternal ruin.
- 6:21And this isn't a rare outcome, it's the universal constant
- 6:24result. So proving a tendency to sin is
- 6:27effectively proving a tendency toward ruin.
- 6:29The. Consequences tied directly to
- 6:31the failure itself. Edwards then strengthens this
- 6:34point by looking at the consistency across different
- 6:37situations. It's not just that people fail,
- 6:40but they fail everywhere, always.
- 6:42Right the constancy across circumstances.
- 6:44This is a powerful empirical point.
- 6:46If failure only happened in one type of society or situation,
- 6:50you can blame the environment. But that's not what we see.
- 6:52No, he points out, this failure happens despite an immense
- 6:56diversity of persons and circumstances.
- 6:58All countries, climates, nations, different historical
- 7:02ages, different upbringings, different social conditions.
- 7:05Rich, poor, educated, uneducated.
- 7:08Doesn't matter whether you look at the most advanced societies
- 7:11or the most isolated tribes, people with the best moral
- 7:14training or the worst. The result is the same sin
- 7:18happens. It's like taking that loaded and
- 7:20throwing it everywhere on the moon underwater.
- 7:22Exactly. If it still keeps landing on the
- 7:24same side, you become even more certain the problem is internal
- 7:27to the dye he. Uses the analogy of a tree,
- 7:29doesn't he? Yes, if you have a specific kind
- 7:32of tree and you planted in every possible soil and climate
- 7:35imaginable and it always produces bad fruit.
- 7:38Then you know the problem isn't the soil or the climate, it's
- 7:41the nature of that kind of tree. Precisely.
- 7:44The failure isn't environmental, it's characteristic of the
- 7:47species. So the constant bad fruits in
- 7:50across all human circumstances proves the nature and tendency
- 7:54of the humankind. It's a powerful statistical
- 7:56argument, really. Therefore, he concludes, the
- 7:59apparent and acknowledged fact of universal sin proves, by the
- 8:03rules of cause and effect, a propensity within the present
- 8:06nature of mankind. A.
- 8:07Propensity to do what? Eternally to ruin themselves by
- 8:10sin. The tendency is proven, and it's
- 8:13ruinous consequence is proven just by observing the consistent
- 8:16outcome. OK, so the propensity exists and
- 8:19it leads to ruin. The next logical step is where
- 8:22does it come from? Where is it located?
- 8:24Right. Edwards acknowledges the surface
- 8:26observation. We see people prone to sinful
- 8:29indulgence, often linked to so many sensual appetites, and so
- 8:33apartment to indulge them. So things like greed, lust,
- 8:36anger related to our physical desires.
- 8:38Yeah, but where does that aptness, that readiness to
- 8:41indulge, actually originate? He frames it as an internal
- 8:45issue. How so?
- 8:46He says it must come either from the body which God hath made the
- 8:49physical constitution in itself, or be immediately and originally
- 8:53seated in the soul itself. Either way, body or soul, the
- 8:58root is within the human makeup, not external to it.
- 9:01But this is where his opponents, like Doctor Taylor, tried to
- 9:05find an escape hatch. They the external evasion.
- 9:07Exactly. They'd concede, OK, yes,
- 9:09everyone sins, but they'd argue the tendency isn't truly in
- 9:13human nature. So.
- 9:14Where do they put it? They blamed the general
- 9:17constitution and frame of this world.
- 9:20They argue the world is just full of so many and strong
- 9:23temptations. So the idea is the soul starts
- 9:27out pure, but it gets placed in this corrupting world, and the
- 9:31world inevitably makes its sin. That's the argument.
- 9:34The environment is the source of the corruption, not the nature
- 9:36itself. Edwards had account of that,
- 9:38obviously. How did he do it?
- 9:39He uses a systemic argument. He says look, if any creature
- 9:42proves to be bad or fails in the proper situation, God designed
- 9:46for it. It's intended environment.
- 9:47Then you have to conclude that the creature itself has an evil
- 9:50nature, or at least a defective 1 relative to its purpose in
- 9:54that situation. Does that make sense?
- 9:56Like the clock analogy you mentioned earlier if it's
- 9:59designed for a certain humidity but always fails in that
- 10:03humidity. You blame the clock's design,
- 10:05not the humidity it was made for.
- 10:07OK, Edwards puts it formally. A propensity properly belongs to
- 10:11a being's nature if it's the necessary consequence of its
- 10:14nature interacting with its proper situation in the
- 10:17universe. And our proper situation is this
- 10:19world. Right.
- 10:20And this world, he argues, is as much of God's ordering as man's
- 10:24nature itself. You can't to separate the
- 10:26creature from the environment God specifically made for that
- 10:29creature. They function together as a
- 10:31system. So the opponent's attempt to
- 10:34blame the world is a false separation.
- 10:36Edwards argues it is the fact that this world always results
- 10:40in sin for humans proves there's a pernicious tendency belonging
- 10:43to their nature. The consistent failure in the
- 10:46intended environment points back to an inherent flaw or
- 10:49vulnerability in the creature design for that environment.
- 10:52The world pulls the trigger, but the gun was already loaded, so
- 10:55to speak. That's a way to put it.
- 10:57The nature has an inherent susceptibility that the
- 11:00environment invariably activates.
- 11:03And then he uses their own theology against them.
- 11:05Yes, the refuting divine authorship through concession.
- 11:08This is quite clever. He takes their idea that the
- 11:11world infallibly pollutes a pure soul and shows the devastating
- 11:16implication for their view of God.
- 11:18How? He asks the simple, powerful
- 11:20question, who created the world? God did.
- 11:24So if God created a world that is designed in such a way that
- 11:27it naturally and infallibly pollutes every soul placed.
- 11:30Within it, then, God becomes the ultimate author of that
- 11:32pollution, the author of sin. Which contradicts the opponent's
- 11:36own belief in a righteous, holy God who is not the author of
- 11:39sin. It forces them into a corner.
- 11:42And he even quotes them. Yes, he points out that Doctor
- 11:45Taylor himself describes this world as being full of God's
- 11:48riches, mercy and goodness. Ah, so if the world itself is
- 11:53fundamentally good, as even the opponent admits.
- 11:55Then how can it be the ultimate source of this universal,
- 11:58inevitable corruption? It doesn't add up.
- 12:00So the blame has to fall back onto human nature itself.
- 12:03Exactly. It pushes the problem back
- 12:05inside the person. The infallible tendency must be
- 12:08rooted in man's nature. The propensity is inherent.
- 12:12Whether it's more bodily appetite or a lack in the soul,
- 12:16the point is it's in the human system.
- 12:18That's the crucial step. He eliminates the environmental
- 12:20excuse and allocates the necessity for sin firmly within
- 12:24the human constitution. OK, we've established the
- 12:27propensity exists and it's inherent to human nature.
- 12:30Now, how strong is this tendency?
- 12:33This is where Edwards argues its strength based on the unfailing
- 12:36nature of the effect. The fact that sin is not just
- 12:39common, but universal and constant proves the propensity
- 12:43is of the highest kind, meaning meaning it's not just a slight
- 12:46inclination or a strong probability.
- 12:48He defines this highest kind of tendency as one that is
- 12:52universally invincible. Invincible.
- 12:54That sounds strong. Like unavoidable.
- 12:56Functionally, yes, he says. It really amounts to a fixed,
- 12:59constant, unfailing necessity. If an outcome happens 100% of
- 13:03the time across millions of cases, then for all practical
- 13:06purposes it's a necessary outcome of the system as it
- 13:09currently operates. So he's deriving necessity from
- 13:11the sheer consistency of the observation.
- 13:14Precisely. It's an empirical necessity.
- 13:16He's observing that in fact, humans never succeed in
- 13:19achieving sinless perfection, therefore failure is in that
- 13:23sense necessary. So while people still make
- 13:26choices to sin the. Overall system human nature in
- 13:29its current state is so tilted or flawed that the outcome,
- 13:32universal failure, is guaranteed.
- 13:34The propensity ensures the effect.
- 13:36That's a key distinction. It's not saying people are
- 13:38puppets, but that the internal constitution makes sin
- 13:41inevitable overall. Right.
- 13:43And what's really striking here is how he uses the concessions
- 13:46of hopelessness from his opponents to back this up.
- 13:48He shows how they basically admit this necessity.
- 13:51Yeah, he points to their own words.
- 13:53For instance, Doctor Taylor says mankind's situation under the
- 13:56Law, the law threatening death for every sin, must be quite
- 14:00deplorable if they have no relief from the mercy of the
- 14:03Lawgiver. Deplorable.
- 14:04Why is that significant? Edwards jumps on that if the
- 14:07situation is deplorable without mercy, it implies it's
- 14:10functionally hopeless. Otherwise, why call it
- 14:13deplorable if people could actually succeed through their
- 14:16own efforts under the law? Good point.
- 14:19It implies the only way out is mercy, meaning self salvation
- 14:23through law keeping is impossible.
- 14:25It's a powerful rhetorical point.
- 14:28Their own language betrays a sense of helplessness, conceding
- 14:31that justification by works is off the table unless God steps
- 14:34in with mercy. Do they say anything else that
- 14:36supports this? Yes, Edwards knows they speak of
- 14:39trying to fulfill the law perfectly as truly impossible.
- 14:42Impossible. Yes, impossible for the law
- 14:44demanding sinless obedience to actually give life specifically
- 14:48because of the weakness of our flesh.
- 14:50Wow, so they admit impossibility due to human weakness?
- 14:53Which perfectly confirms Edwards's point about an
- 14:56invincible propensity if achieving perfect obedience is
- 14:59truly impossible for humans in their current state.
- 15:02Then the failure is necessary and the propensity is as strong
- 15:06as Edwards claims, invincible. It validates his claim that the
- 15:09tendency to sin is so powerful that attempting to escape death
- 15:13by law keeping is hopeless without divine intervention.
- 15:17And what's the practical consequence of this invincible
- 15:20necessity? Spiritual futility under the
- 15:22law. Edwards concludes that because
- 15:24of this fixed propensity, all human efforts to achieve
- 15:27righteous by works are lost labor.
- 15:30Wasted effort. And it's impossible for them to
- 15:32expect ought but death based on their own performance under the
- 15:36law. OK, but we have to be careful
- 15:37here. Does this necessity, this
- 15:39impossibility of perfection mean people aren't guilty?
- 15:42Does it remove responsibility? That's a crucial point, and
- 15:45Edwards addresses it directly. No, it does not remove guilt.
- 15:48Why? Because the propensity to sin,
- 15:50even if it comes from a defect or an infirmity like a lack of
- 15:54original righteousness, still results in an actual
- 15:57transgression of God's commands, and that transgression is justly
- 16:01condemned. So the source of the sin, the
- 16:03defective nature, doesn't excuse the act of sin.
- 16:06Correct. The necessity of sinning leads
- 16:09to a genuine demerit of and just exposedness to eternal ruin.
- 16:15Failing to meet God's standard is still a failure of duty, and
- 16:18duty is owed regardless of the creatures internal state.
- 16:21So the universal failure means universal condemnation.
- 16:24Even if that failure was unavoidable given our nature,
- 16:28this maintains God's justice. Exactly.
- 16:30The argument structure is now complete.
- 16:32Edwards believes he's proven the propensity exists, it's inherent
- 16:35in human nature, it's invincibly strong, and its consequences
- 16:39ruin and condemnation. All based, he argues, on
- 16:42observable facts that even his opponents concede hashtag tags
- 16:45of the summary and final thought.
- 16:47OK, let's try to pull this together for everyone listening.
- 16:49We've walked through a pretty dense, logical argument from
- 16:51Edwards. What are the main takeaways?
- 16:53I think we can break it down into four key pillars he built.
- 16:56First, the very idea of tendency or propensity isn't some
- 17:00mysterious feeling. It's proven entirely by
- 17:03constancy. Right, you see, the effect
- 17:05happened over and over again universally, and that's how you
- 17:08know there's a fixed tendency causing it.
- 17:10Observation is key. Second, what is that constant
- 17:13effect in humanity? It's universal sinfulness.
- 17:16Everyone fails perfect obedience, and under God's law,
- 17:19that failure automatically leads to utter ruin and condemnation.
- 17:22OK, third, third. Because this failure happens
- 17:26consistently across every imaginable human circumstance,
- 17:29different cultures, times, conditions, it proves the
- 17:32tendency isn't just external, it's an inherent pernicious
- 17:35tendency within human nature itself, operating in the world
- 17:38God designed for it. The blame the world argument
- 17:41doesn't hold up. Got it.
- 17:43And the final pillar. Finally, the sheer fact that
- 17:46this failure is always the outcome, something even
- 17:48Edwards's opponents admitted was impossible to avoid, proves the
- 17:52tendency is of the highest degree.
- 17:54It amounts to an invincible necessity.
- 17:57Escape through human effort alone is functionally
- 17:59impossible. So the logical conclusion of all
- 18:01this? The conclusion Edwards drives us
- 18:03toward is that humanity state just based on observable reality
- 18:08and the demands of the law, is one of complete hopelessness for
- 18:12self salvation. Which then makes God's mercy not
- 18:15just nice, but absolutely necessary.
- 18:18It's the only way out. Exactly.
- 18:20The law, in revealing this universal, necessary failure,
- 18:24highlights our total inability and therefore magnifies the need
- 18:28for and the glory of God's grace in providing another way.
- 18:32Now this brings us back to that careful distinction Edwards made
- 18:34at the start. He spent all this effort proving
- 18:37the existence and necessity of this tendency towards sin and
- 18:40ruin based on facts. Right, he meticulously built the
- 18:43case for the what and the how strong.
- 18:45But he intentionally held back on proving its moral quality.
- 18:48So here's the thought to leave you with if the facts
- 18:50established this inherent, universally invincible necessity
- 18:53towards sin and ruin, what kind of oral argument has to come
- 18:56next? Yeah, what further step is
- 18:58needed to prove that this observed, functionally
- 19:00disastrous tendency is also, in the eyes of a perfectly
- 19:04righteous God, truly corrupt and depraved in itself?
- 19:07Establishing the fact of the propensity is one thing.
- 19:10Establishing its inherent guilt or moral corruption is the next
- 19:14layer. And that's the bridge to the
- 19:16deeper aspects of the doctrine of original sin, which involves
- 19:19inherited guilt and moral pollution, a crucial and perhaps
- 19:23even more debated step. Different, something to think
- 19:25about. We'll have to tackle that moral
- 19:27dimension in a future deep drive.
- 19:29Thanks for joining us on Reformed Thinking.