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Speaker 1: Jims is the reform it.
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Speaker 2: Well, good evening and welcome to the Bolt Report. I'm
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Speaker 2: James Macpherson coming up tonight. Labor has followed up their
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Speaker 2: climate Change Scare campaign with some of the world's most
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Speaker 2: ambitious emissions reduction targets. I'll get reaction from Barnaby Joyce
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Speaker 2: and from Ian Plymer. China's growing influence in the Pacific
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Speaker 2: is showing no signs of slowing down, and our government
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Speaker 2: is showing no signs of being able.
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Speaker 3: To counter it. Michael Schubridge joins me to discuss and
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Speaker 3: in one of.
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Speaker 2: The strangest stories of the year, the French President Emmanuel
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Speaker 2: mccron has promised to present a US court with scientific
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Speaker 2: proof that his wife is female. I'll see what my
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Speaker 2: panel has to say about that one, and we'll bring
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Speaker 2: you live pictures from Windsor Castle, where President Donald Trump
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Speaker 2: will be formally farewelled by King Charles and Queen Camilla.
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Speaker 3: Patrick Christie's will join us for that.
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Speaker 2: But first two days after warning us that if we
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Speaker 2: don't act on climate change, Brisbane will be turned into
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Speaker 2: Atlantis and towns will become Death Valley, the government has
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Speaker 2: announced its twenty thirty five emissions reduction target.
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Speaker 4: Today I announced that we have accepted their advice at
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Speaker 4: Australia's twenty thirty five emissions target be sixty two to
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Speaker 4: seventy percent.
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Speaker 2: And then came the predictable spin about what a great
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Speaker 2: opportunity all of this represents.
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Speaker 4: Our government knows that climate change is real and we
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Speaker 4: want to continue to seize the economic opportunity that the
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Speaker 4: energy transition offers our nation.
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Speaker 2: Translation, we've found a new way to tax you and
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Speaker 2: we've called it opportunity. Jim Charmers, Chris Bowen and Matt
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Speaker 2: Kean carried on like that split the atom rather than
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Speaker 2: figured out how to make electricity more expensive and less reliable.
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Speaker 5: The work that the Authority has established clearly and undeniably
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Speaker 5: is that Australia's clean energy transition is an economic growth opportunity,
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Speaker 5: not a drag. There is a path that will deliver
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Speaker 5: benefits and savings, not costs.
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Speaker 4: At our best ever economic opportunity. Our target sitting process
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Speaker 4: is the best, most rigorous in the world.
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Speaker 6: It's a golden economic opportunity for Australia, absolutely.
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Speaker 5: Central to the modern prosperous competitive economy.
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Speaker 2: Oh, it's all amazing, but the real question, of course,
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Speaker 2: the one you and I are most interested in is
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Speaker 2: what effect this flight of fantasy will have on power prices,
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Speaker 2: Because from the moment government's decided to replace the cheapest
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Speaker 2: form of energy with the most sanctomonious, we've had nothing
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Speaker 2: but the most expensive energy. If only virtue could keep
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Speaker 2: the lights on, Our energy bills seem to rise in
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Speaker 2: direct proportion to how many times politicians tell us energy
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Speaker 2: prices will fall. It's like a drinking game, except the
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Speaker 2: hangover comes with your quarterly statement. So what's the promise
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Speaker 2: this time? Will the Climate Change Authority as I like
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Speaker 2: to call them fortune tellers in suits, assure us that
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Speaker 2: household energy costs will fall by twenty percent about one
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Speaker 2: thousand bucks a year over the next decade. Let me
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Speaker 2: read from the report they say, and I quote. Expert
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Speaker 2: analysis by the Australian Energy Market Commission projects residential electricity
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Speaker 2: prices will fall by thirteen percent and average household energy
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Speaker 2: costs will fall by about twenty percent around one thousand
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Speaker 2: dollars a year over the next decade under a coordinated
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Speaker 2: renewables rollout. Well, there's three things that occur to me. First,
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Speaker 2: it's a projection. Second, it's a very vague projection. Energy
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Speaker 2: costs will fall by about twenty percent, give or take.
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Speaker 2: Maybe possibly if Jupiter aligns with Mars.
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Speaker 1: Then.
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Speaker 3: Third, it's a vague projection that no.
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Speaker 2: One will be able to assess for a decade, well
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Speaker 2: after Anthony Albanesi and Chris Bowen have retired to Tuscany.
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Speaker 2: Why would any of us put faith in this projection
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Speaker 2: when we've already been made fools of after believing this promise.
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Speaker 4: Reducing power prices by two hundred and seventy five dollars,
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Speaker 4: reducing power prices by two hundred and seventy five dollars.
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Speaker 7: By twenty twenty five, two hundred and seventy five dollars
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Speaker 7: a year.
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Speaker 3: Two one hundred and seventy five dollars a year. That's right.
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Speaker 2: We all remember being told power prices would fall by
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Speaker 2: two hundred and seventy five dollars within four years.
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Speaker 3: How'd that work out for you?
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Speaker 2: Now they want us to believe power prices will fall
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Speaker 2: by one thousand dollars in ten years. That's not policy,
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Speaker 2: that's stand up comedy. Speaking of which, check out today's routine.
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Speaker 2: The Prime Minister was asked for an exact figure by
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Speaker 2: which power prices would fall under his new emissions reduction target.
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Speaker 3: And he laughed.
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Speaker 2: He actually laughed at the question. In fact, journalists laugh.
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Speaker 1: Two.
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Speaker 2: The whole press conference turned into open mic night at
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Speaker 2: the Canberra comedy clubs.
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Speaker 8: Do you say this will put down with pressure on
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Speaker 8: energy crisis? By what you xati up?
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Speaker 4: You yourself laughed when you ask that question, So it
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Speaker 4: should be treated in the way, in the spirit in
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Speaker 4: which you've done.
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Speaker 2: Think about that that The political class chuckles, well, you
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Speaker 2: and I wonder whether we can afford to boil the kettle.
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Speaker 3: It's all just a bit of a joke to them.
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Speaker 2: When the laughter finally died down, and after Chris Bowen
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Speaker 2: picked himself up off the floor, the PM offered his
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Speaker 2: usual non answer.
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Speaker 4: What we know is if we don't act, there will
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Speaker 4: be a cost to the economy, as the Treasurer has outlined,
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Speaker 4: there will be lower wages, lower growth, less jobs, and
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Speaker 4: we know that it is in Australia's interest to have
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Speaker 4: an orderly transition. Translation, if you don't hand over your wallet,
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Speaker 4: the planet explodes and the Canberra press pack let him
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Speaker 4: just move on.
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Speaker 2: Here's the real joke, Anthony Albaneze. He could have answered
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Speaker 2: that question directly. He could have cited the projection in
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Speaker 2: the Climate Authority report that he was raving around. The
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Speaker 2: report projects a one thousand dollars reduction over ten years.
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Speaker 2: But the Prime Minister knows his promises, his projections, they're
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Speaker 2: all just for giggles, so he laughed and changed the subject.
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Speaker 3: Here's my point.
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Speaker 2: If the salesman won't even use the sales pitch, why
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Speaker 2: should the rest of us buy the product? Not that
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Speaker 2: any of us are being given a choice, Australia's orderly
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Speaker 2: transition to renewables seems a lot more like a hostage
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Speaker 2: situation to me. Well, joining me now is esteemed geologist
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Speaker 2: and author Professor Ian Plymer. Ian really great to have
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Speaker 2: you on the pro especially tonight. The government, as I said,
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Speaker 2: announced its twenty thirty five emissions reduction target, and I
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Speaker 2: want to ask you about that in a second. But first,
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Speaker 2: today's announcement was underpinned by the National Climate Risk Assessment
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Speaker 2: that was handed down on Monday, with experts warning if
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Speaker 2: we fail to take action, all hell is going to
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Speaker 2: break loose across the country. Let me get your thoughts
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Speaker 2: first on that. What did you make of the National
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Speaker 2: Climate risk assessment.
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Speaker 9: Well that was two hundred and fifty seven pages long
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Speaker 9: and it was eminently unreadable. For example, they're telling us
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Speaker 9: that the heat deaths are going to rise by more
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Speaker 9: than four hundred percent. Now we know from just a
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Speaker 9: very small sample of thirty two million people who have
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Speaker 9: died from climate deaths that more than ninety percent died
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Speaker 9: from cold weather and less than ten percent die from
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Speaker 9: heat from warm weather. So that's well known.
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Speaker 10: So we're just being lied to and if you're not
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Speaker 10: worried about that, then they're trying to frighten you. And
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Speaker 10: they're saying, oh, property values are going to fall by
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Speaker 10: six hundred billion, Well they put the average Australian in
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Speaker 10: the position where they can't.
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Speaker 9: Buy property so that one doesn't hurt. And then they've said,
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Speaker 9: well there's going to be two point seven million additional
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Speaker 9: days lost from illness. Well, it's an Australian hobby to
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Speaker 9: take a sickie, so that one's not going to hurt.
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Speaker 9: And their modeling has only been done on one sort
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Speaker 9: of target. Yet we know from other climate models, and
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Speaker 9: we've got more than two more than one hundred and
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Speaker 9: two climate models done over the last forty years that
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Speaker 9: not one of them work that when we measure compared
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Speaker 9: with models, the models overcook the planet. So as soon
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Speaker 9: as you hear the world model or the words model,
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Speaker 9: you know that you're being conned. But the conning gets
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Speaker 9: even better. They've used language which only bureaucrat could use,
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Speaker 9: and I quote, these narratives lack the granularity needed to
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Speaker 9: inform the possible subnational scale changes. Now what the hell
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Speaker 9: does that mean? And that's Canberra talk, and to talk
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Speaker 9: by eminently unemployable bureaucrats saying we haven't got a clue
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Speaker 9: what's going to happen. And when you look at the
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Speaker 9: list of people who helped them compile this report, these
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Speaker 9: people are eminently unknown. These people are funded by taxpayers.
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Speaker 9: They're funded in bears jobs and their job is to
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Speaker 9: frighten us. Witness, open your wallet.
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Speaker 1: And pay up.
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Speaker 9: So this is an absolute travesty. But what they don't
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Speaker 9: tell you are some of the calculations that you can
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Speaker 9: easily do. If you look at how much they want
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Speaker 9: to reduce our emissions. This is going to change global temperature.
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Speaker 9: And by using the same methods they years, you can
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Speaker 9: show that global temperature will reduce by zero point zero
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Speaker 9: zero zero seven degrees celsius. You can't even measure that.
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Speaker 9: So they're talking absolute nonsense. And they don't tell us
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Speaker 9: that China is building one new coal fired power station
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Speaker 9: every four days. They don't tell us that whatever China,
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Speaker 9: India and the US do, Australia's actions are a statistical
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Speaker 9: error in the whole of the reading. So we have
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Speaker 9: been fed the absolute nonsense which we expect, and that
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Speaker 9: Climate report really should go into the circular filing cabinet
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Speaker 9: that's just on the floor next to me.
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Speaker 2: Well, it was waived around in Canberra, as you said,
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Speaker 2: to frighten us all, and I guess soften us up
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Speaker 2: for today's announcement that the government will reorganize our entire
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Speaker 2: economy around a sixty two to seventy percent emissions reduction
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Speaker 2: target by twenty thirty five. Now you've looked at the
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Speaker 2: modeling that they have banded around today, modeling they've done
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Speaker 2: on costs and on benefits.
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Speaker 3: How much confidence should.
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Speaker 2: We have in their plan and in the modeling that
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Speaker 2: they have produced today.
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Speaker 9: Well, I think it's a big round figure which we
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Speaker 9: call zero. And we've got to remember that there are
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Speaker 9: some modeling figures that they didn't give us, and that
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Speaker 9: is that if you have this sixty percent reduction in emissions,
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Speaker 9: we lower global temperature by a number that you cannot measure.
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Speaker 9: It's so small. So I think the government has to
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Speaker 9: learn a lesson of life, and that as if you
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Speaker 9: dig a hole and you in real trouble, don't keep digging.
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Speaker 9: And that's what they're doing. They're digging a deeper hole
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Speaker 9: from forty three percent to above sixty percent, and they
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Speaker 9: don't realize what they're doing. Now, I'm a great supporter
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Speaker 9: of mister Bowen. I think this report is a wonderful report,
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Speaker 9: and it's a report that is important for his career
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Speaker 9: because this will bring it to an end quicker than
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Speaker 9: if we had forty three percent. This report is showing
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Speaker 9: us that the government is going to create the energy
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Speaker 9: crisis that is coming, it'll come quicker, which means that
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Speaker 9: we'll be able to solve it sooner. So I congratulate
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Speaker 9: the government in bringing the enjurity crisis closer to us.
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Speaker 9: And ultimately, when we have a massive crisis in this country,
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Speaker 9: someone might wake up to the fact that we once
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Speaker 9: had cheap, reliable electricity coming from coal and now we've
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Speaker 9: gone to very expensive, unreliable electricity, the ruinables which have
12:28
Speaker 9: been put into the grid, disrupting the grid, running out costs,
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Speaker 9: driving out any energy using industry, killing off farmers, and
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Speaker 9: destroying people's lives. Now they're telling us that the world
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Speaker 9: is coming to an end. And I didn't realize how
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Speaker 9: close we were to the end of the world. Now
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Speaker 9: I'm here at a wonderful motel in Roma, the Overlander Motel,
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Speaker 9: and Charles has told me easy owner that he's got
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Speaker 9: a wonderful seller. And I think I'm going to drink
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Speaker 9: it dry tonight. Because the government's telling me the world's
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Speaker 9: going to end. You've got to believe it.
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Speaker 2: Well, in just one more question before I let you
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Speaker 2: go down into that cellar. Of course, the Albanezy government,
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Speaker 2: I mean they've been quite conservative in their target range.
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Speaker 2: If you listen to people like Senator Pocock or Lewis,
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Speaker 2: Larissa Waters from the Greens or even Twiggy Forest, who
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Speaker 2: will want a minimum of seventy five percent emissions reduction,
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Speaker 2: I mean, the Albanize government's been quite conservative compared to
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Speaker 2: someonet Well, I'd like to.
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Speaker 9: See those three names you mentioned live in a cave
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Speaker 9: and after they had five days of foul weather and
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Speaker 9: hunting and gathering. Come out and tell me whether the
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Speaker 9: lifestyle they're trying to impoge onto everyone in Australia actually works.
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Speaker 9: Lead by example, Go and live in a cave. Leave
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Speaker 9: me alone, let me get on with life. Let our
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Speaker 9: farmers do what they do well and produce food, but
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Speaker 9: just get out of our lives.
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Speaker 2: Indeed, all right, well in Plymer, I appreciate you joining
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Speaker 2: me tonight, Thanks so much. Enjoy your time at Roma.
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Speaker 2: We're going to go to a break. When we come back.
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Speaker 2: Patrick Christie's will join us live from London, where King
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Speaker 2: Charles and Donald Trump farewelling one another before a meeting
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Speaker 2: with Keir Starmer that's coming up in just a moment.
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Speaker 2: Welcome back to the program. We'll go to Patrick Christie's
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Speaker 2: in the UK as soon as we get vision of
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Speaker 2: Donald Trump and the King. But joining me now is
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Speaker 2: National's MP and former Deputy Prime Minister Barnaby. Joyce Barnaby,
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Speaker 2: thanks for coming on the program. As I said, the
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Speaker 2: Prime Minister has announced Australia we'll have ten years to
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Speaker 2: reduce its carbon emissions by between sixty two and seventy
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Speaker 2: percent below levels from two thousand and five. Anthony Albinezi says,
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Speaker 2: this target is realistic and it's backed by science.
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Speaker 3: Have listened to some of what he had to say today.
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Speaker 4: This is a responsible target, backed by the science, back
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Speaker 4: by a practical plan to get there and bill on
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Speaker 4: proven technology. So right target to protect our environment, to
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Speaker 4: protect and advance our economy and jobs, and to ensure
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Speaker 4: that we act in our national interest.
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Speaker 3: So Barnaby, he says, we've got to do three things.
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Speaker 2: We've got to increase renewable energy, we've got to target
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Speaker 2: heavy emitting industries, and we've got to expand the use
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Speaker 2: of electric vehicles. What do you make of all of that?
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Speaker 2: I think we've just lost Barnaby Joyce. So we'll come
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Speaker 2: back to him. We'll go to Michael Schubridge, who is
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Speaker 2: waiting for us. I want to talk to you, Michael,
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Speaker 2: about Anti Albanese's trip to p and G this week.
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Speaker 3: Obviously it was an abject failure.
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Speaker 2: The treaty that was proposed between the two nations failed
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Speaker 2: to be signed. Albanezi is next in line, hopefully to
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Speaker 2: meet Donald Trump in you U, and he's now being
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Speaker 2: urged to encourage Trump to become more involved in the
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Speaker 2: Pacific to try and counter China's influence. The implication being
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Speaker 2: at the Albanese desperately needs some help.
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Speaker 3: What do you think of all of that.
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Speaker 11: Well, James, I think that would be crazy advice. Anthony
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Speaker 11: Albanesi is going into hopefully what is his first face
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Speaker 11: to face meeting with President Trump, looking needy enough. He's
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Speaker 11: clearly underspending on defense in our own nation security, so
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Speaker 11: he needs American help. He wants American nuclear submarines when
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Speaker 11: the Americans don't have enough of them for themselves. And
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Speaker 11: on top of that, he's meant to put a cherry
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Speaker 11: on top and say, oh, President Trump, there's one more
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Speaker 11: thing I need you to help me out in my
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Speaker 11: near neighborhood because I can't manage it.
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Speaker 12: Trump is an America first president.
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Speaker 11: He's saying allies need to do more for themselves, and
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Speaker 11: Albow is looking pretty needy already.
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Speaker 2: Michael, I'm sorry to interrupt you. I'll try and come
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Speaker 2: back to you, but we've now got vision of Donald
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Speaker 2: Trump and the King. So we're going to go to
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Speaker 2: the UK with Patrick Christie's. As you can see on
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Speaker 2: your screen, there's the King and the US President who
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Speaker 2: shared a dinner last night, a banquet at Windsor Castle,
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Speaker 2: and Trump is now being farewelled by the King. He
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Speaker 2: will join Kiir Stamer pomp and ceremony ends. That was
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Speaker 2: yesterday today, it's all about the politics. Patrick Christie's a
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Speaker 2: big night last night and there was genuine warmth between
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Speaker 2: the US President and members of the royal family.
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Speaker 8: Oh yeah, absolutely.
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Speaker 13: I mean, this was the historic second state visit, never
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Speaker 13: being done before for a US president, which actually President
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Speaker 13: Trump jokes about and then joking he says he hops
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Speaker 13: he's never done again.
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Speaker 8: But he's about to get into.
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Speaker 13: The beast, that big armored vehicle and take about a
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Speaker 13: fifty minute drive to Checkers, which is that grace and
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Speaker 13: favor country residents of our Prime Minister. He will be
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Speaker 13: greeted by the Prime Minister and his wife and apparently
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Speaker 13: they're going to be treated to an air displayed by
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Speaker 13: British Army parachuters and a bagpiper's performance. So obviously it's
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Speaker 13: been a rip roaring success so far, this visit kind
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Speaker 13: of displaying the soft power of the monarchy in Britain.
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Speaker 13: There are a couple of minor blemishes. Some people have
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Speaker 13: been arrested for beaming huge pictures of Trump with Jeffrey
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Speaker 13: Epstein on the side of Windsor Castle, And of course
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Speaker 13: he can't really go out and meet the public just
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Speaker 13: in case some of those hard left protesters that were
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Speaker 13: told don't really exist actually attack him. But there's a
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Speaker 13: big horse and carriage ride yesterday I flyover by the
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Speaker 13: Red Arrows. But like you said, today, now it's all
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Speaker 13: about the politics. We're hearing that there's going to be
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Speaker 13: around one hundred and fifty billion dollars worth of additional
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Speaker 13: US investment into Britain. That's tremendous news. But of course
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Speaker 13: the irony will not be lost on people that this
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Speaker 13: labor government, who has slagged President Trump for the best
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Speaker 13: part of a decade or more now really is now
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Speaker 13: relying on President Trump in order to try to boost
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Speaker 13: our economy, but also with their opinion polls which.
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Speaker 8: Are a record low.
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Speaker 13: The big thing to watch out for is going to
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Speaker 13: be at twenty past two UK time where there's going
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Speaker 13: to be a press conference between our Prime Minister and
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Speaker 13: the President of the United States. And the things to
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Speaker 13: look out for they're really all the fact that there's
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Speaker 13: been the Peter Mandelsson issue. Our US ambassador has just
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Speaker 13: basically resigned such been sacked for previously undisclosed links to
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Speaker 13: Jeffrey Epstein.
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Speaker 8: Was a tremendous friend of him.
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Speaker 13: That could get very awkward for the obvious reason couldn't hit.
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Speaker 8: So we'll see about that.
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Speaker 13: There's also a big free speech as you're taking place
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Speaker 13: in Britain that involves an American citizen as an American
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Speaker 13: lady who was investigated by police for things she puts
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Speaker 13: on social media. The police refused to tell what social
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Speaker 13: media posts they were investigating. Now that case has just
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Speaker 13: been dropped with impeccable timing, but I would expect that
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Speaker 13: to come up. And we have a new Foreign Secretary
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Speaker 13: as well, which is good because the previous Foreign Secretary,
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Speaker 13: David Lammy, called President Trump and neo Nazi sympathizing, woman
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Speaker 13: hating sociopath, whereas this one about Cooper has only called
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Speaker 13: him ignorance.
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Speaker 8: Inflammatory, devisive and appalling. So that's good. Just one of
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Speaker 8: the things to look out for quickly.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, sorry, Patrick, Just two things I wanted to ask
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Speaker 2: you about that maybe a bit awkward. One is that
20:35
Speaker 2: kirstarm is about to announce that they will officially recognize
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Speaker 2: a state of Palestine, but I think he's going to
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Speaker 2: delay that until Trump has left the country. And the
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Speaker 2: other thing I wanted to ask you about was these protests.
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Speaker 2: I mean, it seems to me they've been stirred up
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Speaker 2: in some part by comments from the London mayor, Sadik Khan,
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Speaker 2: who only a few weeks ago was inviting Trump to
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Speaker 2: come to London so he could be shown around.
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Speaker 13: Yeah, one hundred percent, absolutely, sort the words out of
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Speaker 13: my mouth. This Palestine issue is a big one. So
21:05
Speaker 13: you're right that this weekend, after President Trump has left
21:10
Speaker 13: kiss Armor is going to recognize Palestine as a state,
21:13
Speaker 13: whatever that really means, because if we can't clearly define
21:16
Speaker 13: where the borders of that state are, it does seem
21:19
Speaker 13: like something of a token gimmick.
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Speaker 8: But alas that's what he's going to do. We all
21:22
Speaker 8: know why.
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Speaker 13: He's going to do that, and we know he's going
21:24
Speaker 13: to do that to try to stave off some of
21:26
Speaker 13: the harder left in this country who have wrapped themselves
21:29
Speaker 13: in the Palestinian flag and indeed set up a new party,
21:32
Speaker 13: Jeremy Corbyn's new party, to try to essentially whip up
21:36
Speaker 13: all of those folks.
21:37
Speaker 8: So yes, he's going to do that. The other contrast.
21:40
Speaker 13: There is that is that President Trump is about to
21:43
Speaker 13: prescribe Antifa as a terrorist organization as we understand it.
21:49
Speaker 13: So we've got our Prime minister recognize in the Palestinian state,
21:52
Speaker 13: We've got the President of the United States recognizing Antifa
21:56
Speaker 13: as a terrorist organization. And there I think you see
21:59
Speaker 13: some of the key differences, don't you, between the two administrations.
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Speaker 8: That we've got here.
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Speaker 13: But you're right, those protests whipped up by the London
22:05
Speaker 13: Mayor in the wake of Charlie Kirk's execution really death
22:09
Speaker 13: sad demise.
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Speaker 8: I had hoped, many had hoped that.
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Speaker 13: We would see a toning down in rhetoric, that we
22:15
Speaker 13: would not be going out and calling everybody far right
22:18
Speaker 13: and Nazis and all of that stuff anymore. However, the
22:20
Speaker 13: memo has not got through to our dear Mayor of London.
22:23
Speaker 8: Had it.
22:24
Speaker 13: It seemed to double down on this issue, essentially saying that,
22:28
Speaker 13: you know, President Trump is guilty of hate speech. I
22:30
Speaker 13: mean also as well was very derogatory about a huge
22:35
Speaker 13: rally that took place in London on Saturday, which was
22:38
Speaker 13: called a Unite the Kingdom march, very patriotic rally, etc.
22:42
Speaker 13: He said that that reminded him of days of the
22:44
Speaker 13: nineteen seventies where we had the National Front and the
22:46
Speaker 13: far right and all of that very derogatory to people
22:50
Speaker 13: there and again smearing vasuades of the nation. You're right,
22:55
Speaker 13: really what he doesn't actually want to meet President Trump?
22:58
Speaker 13: He said he wanted to take him to like a
23:00
Speaker 13: cool I think it take him round to see the
23:02
Speaker 13: diversity of the area.
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Speaker 3: He said he'd take him to see.
23:06
Speaker 2: He said he'd take him to see mosques and mosques
23:09
Speaker 2: and diversity and all this stuff. It just there is
23:12
Speaker 2: a lot going on in the background as Trump meets
23:14
Speaker 2: with your Prime minister to get some deals done. It's
23:18
Speaker 2: going to be a fascinating day. Patrick Christie's I really
23:20
Speaker 2: appreciate you joining us from London.
23:22
Speaker 3: Thank you so much. All Right, we're going to go
23:24
Speaker 3: back to Barnaby.
23:26
Speaker 2: Joyce, who I think is still with us, to get
23:28
Speaker 2: back onto the government's announcement today regarding their emissions reduction targets.
23:33
Speaker 3: Barnaby I was saying to you before we went to
23:34
Speaker 3: the UK.
23:35
Speaker 2: The Prime Minister has said we need to increase renewable energy,
23:38
Speaker 2: we need to target heavy emitting industries and we've got
23:41
Speaker 2: to expand the use of electric vehicles. What did you
23:44
Speaker 2: think of his announcement? And where do you think this
23:46
Speaker 2: takes the country backwards?
23:50
Speaker 6: It's going to continue on the path of tragic path.
23:52
Speaker 6: We're on the industrialization of Australia. We're down to two
23:56
Speaker 6: our refineries, our steel industries on its knees, our alminym
24:00
Speaker 6: industries on the sneeze, our plastic industry has gone, our
24:02
Speaker 6: u ear industry has gone, record insolvencies in small business,
24:06
Speaker 6: and it's disastrous. It's just incomprehensible how they could continue
24:12
Speaker 6: on with this mad obsession when it's going to have
24:15
Speaker 6: no effect on the clonet whatsoever.
24:17
Speaker 1: Beyond even what doctor.
24:18
Speaker 6: Plymer says this, even if you believe the evidence that
24:23
Speaker 6: what they say of how they're going to produce temperature
24:25
Speaker 6: of the globe, it works on the globe.
24:27
Speaker 1: Participating the United States, not participating in.
24:30
Speaker 6: China, India, Russia, Indonesia, most of Africa, most of South America,
24:35
Speaker 6: Southeast Asia. So it's idiotic, it's an idiotic lemon light
24:40
Speaker 6: self immolation of our economy and absolute this obsession is
24:44
Speaker 6: absolutely crucifying the poorous in Australia. It's not going to
24:48
Speaker 6: do anything, So why is it happening? And this is
24:51
Speaker 6: the question got ask ourselves. Will follow the money always
24:54
Speaker 6: when you just can't work these things out. Follow the
24:57
Speaker 6: money to domestic billionaires, to internation, to multinationals such as
25:01
Speaker 6: BP and petros on.
25:02
Speaker 1: The biggest bloods in the world.
25:05
Speaker 6: Follow the money to the bureaucrats who basically lining their
25:09
Speaker 6: pockets with these quasi jobs.
25:12
Speaker 1: That's what's happening to us.
25:17
Speaker 2: One of the specifics I wanted to ask you about
25:19
Speaker 2: is the Climate Change Authority saying their report that in
25:22
Speaker 2: order to reach the government's goal, half of all cars
25:26
Speaker 2: sold from now till twenty thirty five would have to
25:28
Speaker 2: be electric. That's not going to happen without government intervention.
25:32
Speaker 1: Is it. Now? This is the socialism of this.
25:37
Speaker 6: This is the grand architecture of socialism, the primacy of
25:41
Speaker 6: the state over the individual, the government saying thou shout,
25:44
Speaker 6: you will have an electric car, you will buy this
25:47
Speaker 6: type of power. You will you know, live in this
25:49
Speaker 6: form of destitution because it's sort of great leap forward
25:53
Speaker 6: to sort of mal sleep forward by our noble government
25:57
Speaker 6: led by the incomprehensible Chris. I mean, you were being
26:01
Speaker 6: lad By Corispond. You're going to his wonderland. And you
26:05
Speaker 6: know this is we're supposed to try and mitigate the
26:08
Speaker 6: effect of the socialist state, the overarching effect of government
26:13
Speaker 6: in your life. We saw it with COVID, and now
26:15
Speaker 6: we're going to do with power and you can bet
26:16
Speaker 6: your life.
26:17
Speaker 1: They're on their way to food. Bet your life. They're
26:21
Speaker 1: going to hit me things.
26:23
Speaker 6: So what you've done to the power industry, you're going
26:25
Speaker 6: to do to your grocery.
26:26
Speaker 2: Bill Barnby, I appreciate your insights. Thanks so much for
26:32
Speaker 2: being with us tonight. We'll talk to you again next week.
26:35
Speaker 2: We're going to go to a break when we come back.
26:37
Speaker 2: Barack Obama ways in on Charlie Kirk's assassination as only
26:41
Speaker 2: Barack Obama can, by reinventing history and pointing the finger
26:45
Speaker 2: at Donald Trump. Well, Barack Obama has weighed in on
26:53
Speaker 2: the assassination of Charlie Kirk.
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Speaker 14: Have listened, obviously, I didn't, notorially cur I've was generally
27:03
Speaker 14: aware of some of his ideas. I think those ideas
27:09
Speaker 14: were wrong, and they.
27:12
Speaker 2: Have the Democratic leadership in a nutshell. I know nothing
27:16
Speaker 2: of what Charlie Kirk believed I never bothered to know
27:18
Speaker 2: anything of what Charlie Kirk believed. But I know what
27:21
Speaker 2: Charlie Kirk believed was all wrong. That was Obama just
27:25
Speaker 2: getting warmed up. And then, with the trademark sanctimony of
27:28
Speaker 2: a man who never once looked in the mirror, he
27:30
Speaker 2: blamed Donald Trump for Kirk's assassination. According to Obama, Trump
27:35
Speaker 2: is the one who's pushed extreme views. Views Obama assures
27:39
Speaker 2: us were never in my white House.
27:42
Speaker 14: I have to recognize that on both sides. Undoubtedly there
27:48
Speaker 14: are people who are extremists and who say things that
27:52
Speaker 14: are contrary to.
27:55
Speaker 15: What I believe are America's core values.
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Speaker 14: But I will say that those extreme views were not
28:04
Speaker 14: in my white house. I wasn't embracing them, I wasn't
28:16
Speaker 14: empowering them. I wasn't putting the weight of the United
28:19
Speaker 14: States government behind extremist views.
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Speaker 3: You're kidding us, aren't you.
28:26
Speaker 2: From the moment Obama took office in twenty oh nine,
28:29
Speaker 2: he did nothing but push extremist views.
28:31
Speaker 3: He was the architect of identity politics.
28:34
Speaker 2: And now he stands before America blinking innocently like a
28:37
Speaker 2: cat surrounded by feathers and asking who me?
28:42
Speaker 14: I don't understand how we got so toxic and just.
28:47
Speaker 1: So divide and so bitter.
28:49
Speaker 2: How did America get so divided? It's a mystery, but
28:52
Speaker 2: here's a clue. It was Obama who mocked millions of
28:56
Speaker 2: ordinary Americans as knuckle draggers clinging to guns and religion.
29:00
Speaker 2: It was Obama who sneered that the Midwest was full
29:02
Speaker 2: of xenophobic yokels, scared of people not like them.
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Speaker 14: Like a lot of small towns in the Midwest, they
29:09
Speaker 14: according to guns.
29:10
Speaker 4: Or religion, or.
29:14
Speaker 14: Antipathy to or with people who aren't like them.
29:17
Speaker 2: The irony in the wake of Charlie Kirk's assassination, the
29:20
Speaker 2: whole country is turning to guns and God, not because
29:23
Speaker 2: they're backward, but because they're desperate for safety and meaning
29:26
Speaker 2: in a nation Obama helped hollow out. Obama didn't just
29:29
Speaker 2: mock Americans for their belief in God, and in the
29:32
Speaker 2: Second Amendment, he mocked an entire nation and accused him
29:36
Speaker 2: of suffering from mummy issues.
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Speaker 1: We are still confused, blind shrouded with.
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Speaker 15: Hate, anger, racism, Mammy issues.
29:58
Speaker 2: Oh but I don't understand and how America got so
30:01
Speaker 2: toxic and bitter and divided he's like doctor Frankenstein, staring
30:05
Speaker 2: at his monster and wondering why it isn't better behaved.
30:09
Speaker 2: As for America having mummy issues, that might stem from
30:12
Speaker 2: Obama's relentless attack on the family unit as the building
30:15
Speaker 2: block of society. Obama initiated and propagated that crisis, treating
30:20
Speaker 2: morality like it was a.
30:21
Speaker 3: Kind of contagious disease.
30:23
Speaker 2: He turned the entire White House, you'll remember, into a
30:26
Speaker 2: celebration of gay pride. He legislated so that schools were
30:30
Speaker 2: forced to allow boys into girls' bathrooms.
30:33
Speaker 3: He allowed trans.
30:34
Speaker 2: Ideology to use the US military as a platform for
30:37
Speaker 2: social experiments. But he's the moderate, you understand, totally normal,
30:41
Speaker 2: nothing extreme to see here.
30:44
Speaker 3: These days.
30:44
Speaker 2: Obama is mainstream, so mainstream that he insists it's not
30:48
Speaker 2: enough for boys to have a father, they need to
30:51
Speaker 2: have gay men as role models.
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Speaker 15: I had a gay professor in college, a time when
31:01
Speaker 15: openly gay folks still weren't out, one who became one
31:04
Speaker 15: of my favorite professors and was a great guy and
31:08
Speaker 15: would call me out when I started saying stuff that
31:12
Speaker 15: was ignorant. You need that to show empathy and kindness,
31:19
Speaker 15: And by the way, you need that person in your
31:22
Speaker 15: friend group, so that if you then have a boy
31:25
Speaker 15: who is who, who's gay or non binary or what
31:29
Speaker 15: have you, they have somebody that they can go Okay,
31:31
Speaker 15: I'm not alone in this.
31:38
Speaker 2: Aboma was so extreme in his views that he accused
31:41
Speaker 2: anybody who didn't agree with his extreme views of extreme bigotry.
31:45
Speaker 2: Remember when he accused black men of being sexist because
31:48
Speaker 2: they weren't sure about voting for Kamala Harris.
31:51
Speaker 14: Part of it makes me think that, well, you just
31:55
Speaker 14: aren't feeling the idea of having a woman as president,
32:00
Speaker 14: coming up with other alternatives and other reasons for them.
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Speaker 1: That's not exciting, that's not a This shouldn't even be
32:09
Speaker 1: a question now.
32:12
Speaker 2: Of course, black men weren't worried about a woman becoming president.
32:15
Speaker 2: They were worried about a clueless idiot becoming president. But
32:18
Speaker 2: Obama's playbook was if you don't agree with me, you're
32:21
Speaker 2: not only wrong, you're immoral. And we could go on
32:24
Speaker 2: and on with examples of the way in which President
32:26
Speaker 2: Obama pushed extreme ideology and employed hateful retrick to divide America.
32:31
Speaker 2: I mean, this is a guy who thanked organizers of
32:34
Speaker 2: the Black Lives Matter riots, the.
32:36
Speaker 16: Violent riots several years ago in Ferguson and Baltimore, now
32:39
Speaker 16: drawing praise from President Obama.
32:41
Speaker 12: Praise the President.
32:43
Speaker 16: Thinking the leaders of the Black Lives Matter movement, thanking
32:46
Speaker 16: them for their efforts.
32:49
Speaker 17: We've also got some young people here who are making
32:52
Speaker 17: history as we speak, led many of the protests that
32:56
Speaker 17: took place there and shine the light on the injustice
32:59
Speaker 17: that was happening.
33:00
Speaker 1: People like Day mcassens.
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Speaker 17: It's done some outstanding war mobilizing in Baltimore around these issues.
33:09
Speaker 2: Obama, by his own admission, was an angry man who
33:12
Speaker 2: fomented an angry America.
33:15
Speaker 14: I want you to stay angry. I want you to
33:19
Speaker 14: stay frustrated.
33:22
Speaker 2: And so now, with Charlie Kirk assassinated, America shocked and grieving,
33:26
Speaker 2: Obama does what Obama always does. He takes zero responsibility,
33:30
Speaker 2: rewrites his own record and points his long bony finger,
33:33
Speaker 2: not at the killer, not at the leftist retric he
33:35
Speaker 2: spoke for years stoking things, but at Donald Trump. Obama
33:40
Speaker 2: created division, monetized division, and sermonized division, and now he
33:44
Speaker 2: lectures everybody about the dangers of division.
33:48
Speaker 3: It's the political.
33:49
Speaker 2: Equivalent of an arsonist demanding a medal for fire safety.
33:52
Speaker 2: The kind of America Obama created is best exemplified by
33:56
Speaker 2: this comment from Joy Barr on the View. She so
34:00
Speaker 2: despises Trump supporters she wouldn't want any of them to
34:04
Speaker 2: save her life even if she was choking.
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Speaker 6: I mean, I don't know.
34:07
Speaker 14: I wouldn't even let them give me a Heimlich maneuver.
34:10
Speaker 11: Yeah, that's how little I would I feel about people
34:13
Speaker 11: I don't know.
34:15
Speaker 2: The funny thing is Trump supporters like Charlie Kirk would
34:18
Speaker 2: certainly try to help her, and they wouldn't have needed
34:21
Speaker 2: any Thanks.
34:27
Speaker 3: All right, We're going to go back to David Schubridge.
34:29
Speaker 2: David, I'm sorry I had to interrupt our chat earlier,
34:32
Speaker 2: but we needed to go to the UK.
34:34
Speaker 3: Sorry, Michael Shubridge.
34:36
Speaker 2: I should have said, Michael, you were talking about the
34:40
Speaker 2: folly of Anthony Albanesi going to New York to meet
34:43
Speaker 2: Donald Trump and then asking Trump to come and help
34:47
Speaker 2: out in our region of the world, where Albanezi clearly
34:51
Speaker 2: is failing in terms of getting agreement among our Pacific neighbors.
34:56
Speaker 2: I note that one of Biden's key foreign policy advisors
35:00
Speaker 2: in Sydney this week was calling the meeting between Albanzi
35:04
Speaker 2: and Trump probably the most important and significant meeting between
35:09
Speaker 2: leaders of our two countries in any of our lifetimes.
35:13
Speaker 3: Would you agree with that?
35:14
Speaker 2: And how well positioned is Anthony Albanesi for such a meeting.
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Speaker 12: No, I don't agree with that.
35:21
Speaker 11: I think we're at risk of overhyping and overthinking this meeting.
35:26
Speaker 11: It's an issue because Prime Minister Albanesi has just taken
35:30
Speaker 11: so long to get a first meeting with the American
35:34
Speaker 11: President and that's a self inflicted problem. But for Donald Trump,
35:39
Speaker 11: he's got so many other things going on. I don't
35:42
Speaker 11: think he's spent much time thinking about this meeting or
35:45
Speaker 11: thinking about Australia.
35:47
Speaker 12: I think it's likely to be short and superficial.
35:50
Speaker 11: But if mister Albanesi goes in there looking incredibly weak
35:54
Speaker 11: and needy, it could all go very badly wrong.
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Speaker 3: You know that's true.
36:01
Speaker 2: Donald Trump does tend to respect strength, doesn't. He gives
36:04
Speaker 2: neediness a very short shrift. While all of that is happening,
36:09
Speaker 2: we've got Taiwan with their government releasing a new handbook
36:13
Speaker 2: teaching its citizens how to respond to an invasion from China.
36:17
Speaker 2: This comes, obviously, as tensions continue to rise between the
36:19
Speaker 2: two nations and the threat of a Chinese offensive looks imminent.
36:23
Speaker 2: A Taiwanese military spokesperson explained the purpose of the book,
36:26
Speaker 2: saying it's not to create panic, but to tell people
36:29
Speaker 2: you need to make preparations while there is peace, and
36:32
Speaker 2: when crisis happens, well you'll know what to do. The
36:36
Speaker 2: earlier you're prepared, he said. The earlier you study, the
36:39
Speaker 2: earlier you will be safe. When you hear quotes like
36:43
Speaker 2: this from the Taiwanese government, it makes you reflect on
36:46
Speaker 2: quotes like this from the Chinese government.
36:48
Speaker 8: Have a listen, tala.
36:52
Speaker 1: Ara jansh, what do you choose Jun Young.
37:00
Speaker 11: Sasanya to me in some good of fabio Kilo means
37:05
Speaker 11: you're greeting Jiang lubitch tailor.
37:11
Speaker 2: So Michael when you've got comments like that from Chinese officials. Meanwhile,
37:15
Speaker 2: Taiwan are giving out books on how to prepare for
37:18
Speaker 2: an invasion to their citizen read Does does this indicate
37:22
Speaker 2: that we're reaching a pointy part of this conflict?
37:27
Speaker 11: Well, terms, I think the first thing we've got to
37:29
Speaker 11: do is remind ourselves that that version of history from
37:33
Speaker 11: the Chinese government we just heard is a false version
37:36
Speaker 11: of history. Taiwan has never been ceded as a part
37:41
Speaker 11: of mainland China under communist control. But then we also
37:45
Speaker 11: have to realize chi Jinping is deadly serious about invading
37:50
Speaker 11: and taking control of Taiwan, and it's twenty four million
37:53
Speaker 11: people who are living happily and successfully in a democracy,
37:57
Speaker 11: making key things for our digital world. So what the
38:02
Speaker 11: Taiwanese government are doing is making that a harder problem
38:06
Speaker 11: for Shijinping because at the moment she isn't confident he
38:10
Speaker 11: can win, and that's what's stopping him.
38:15
Speaker 2: Just one more question before we go to a break.
38:17
Speaker 2: I noted that Pakistan and Saudi Arabia signed a new
38:21
Speaker 2: strategic defense pact. This was yesterday, with the two nations
38:24
Speaker 2: saying an attack on one would be considered an aggression
38:28
Speaker 2: against both. What does this alignment mean in the current
38:32
Speaker 2: realignment of nations right around the world. And does Israel's
38:36
Speaker 2: attack on Katar have any bearing on this sudden agreement
38:39
Speaker 2: between Pakistan and Saudi Arabia.
38:44
Speaker 12: Well, yes, in a way, it's not surprising.
38:47
Speaker 11: The Saudis and the Pakistanis have had close political and
38:50
Speaker 11: military relations for decades. But the mutual defense clause will
38:55
Speaker 11: be worrying India because it looks like it could tie
38:58
Speaker 11: the Saudis into an India Pakistan conflict and everybody will
39:03
Speaker 11: be watching. Is nuclear weapon cooperation a part of this
39:07
Speaker 11: new deal. I think it's happened because the US looks
39:11
Speaker 11: less reliable as a partner in that part of the world,
39:15
Speaker 11: and because of the heightened fears because of Israeli power.
39:23
Speaker 2: Michael Schubridge always appreciate your insights. Thanks for coming on
39:26
Speaker 2: the program tonight. Well, we're going to go to a break,
39:28
Speaker 2: but still to come. You won't believe what Emmanuel mccrong
39:32
Speaker 2: is getting up to. My panel will join me in
39:34
Speaker 2: a moment. Well, welcome back to the program. As you
39:42
Speaker 2: would be aware, Donald Trump is continuing his tour of
39:45
Speaker 2: the UK. Met with the King last night, and you
39:48
Speaker 2: can see on screen Trump arriving in Checkers for a
39:51
Speaker 2: meeting with Kirstama. He'll be exiting that chopper at any moment,
39:56
Speaker 2: I believe, and then he'll have a day of meet
40:00
Speaker 2: talking about big tech agreements between the US and America,
40:05
Speaker 2: and then of course a press conference which sensationally our
40:09
Speaker 2: national broadcast of the ABC has been banned from attending,
40:13
Speaker 2: which I'll talk to my panel about a little while later.
40:16
Speaker 2: While Trump is in Checkers. Camilla is entertaining Milania. They
40:21
Speaker 2: are joining they're looking at Queen Mary's doll collection and
40:26
Speaker 2: then a library in Windsor Castle, so you can see
40:29
Speaker 2: on your screen Milania there taking the morning with the Queen,
40:33
Speaker 2: and there's Trump arriving in Checkers for his meeting with
40:38
Speaker 2: Keir Starmer. Of course, an important meeting for Keir Starmer
40:41
Speaker 2: because he's under all sorts of leadership pressure at the moment.
40:44
Speaker 2: This is a wonderful distraction for him. And there's nothing
40:47
Speaker 2: like helping your leadership by being positioned beside great leaders
40:51
Speaker 2: to make yourself look statesmanly as well. So I think
40:54
Speaker 2: Keir Starmer has got a lot more writing on today
40:57
Speaker 2: than Donald Trump does.
40:59
Speaker 3: But Trump getting into.
41:01
Speaker 2: The security vehicle there, and of course he'll make his
41:04
Speaker 2: way to Keirstarmer's countryside home where they'll have that meeting
41:08
Speaker 2: before the press conference coming up. If there's any more pictures,
41:11
Speaker 2: we will bring them to you during the rest of
41:13
Speaker 2: the night. Well, I want to talk to you about
41:16
Speaker 2: just how crazy this world is getting, because just when
41:19
Speaker 2: you think it could not get any crazier, well, I
41:22
Speaker 2: think you know the answer, don't you. French President Emmanuel
41:25
Speaker 2: mccron and his wife Bridget have just announced they will
41:28
Speaker 2: present photographic and scientific evidence to US court to prove
41:34
Speaker 2: Missus Macron is a woman. Their lawyer has told the
41:37
Speaker 2: BBC the couple will present the documentation in a defamation
41:40
Speaker 2: suit they've taken against Candace Owens after she promoted her
41:44
Speaker 2: belief that Macron's wife was a man. Joining me now
41:49
Speaker 2: as Christy McSweeney from PR Council and Sky and his
41:52
Speaker 2: contributor James Bolt, James, this is peak twenty twenty five.
41:57
Speaker 2: Is it not a major world leader presenting scientific evidence
42:01
Speaker 2: to prove his wife is actually female. I can't believe
42:04
Speaker 2: the world has come to this.
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Speaker 7: It's a real en diamond on. I think everyone alive
42:10
Speaker 7: that we've come to this as a society. I'll tell
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Speaker 7: you what. I go a bit harder on free speech
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Speaker 7: than most and much more of a defender of people's
42:18
Speaker 7: right to express themselves freely. So I got to say,
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Speaker 7: and when you get to that, you find yourself defending
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Speaker 7: some of the stupidest and most ill made points that
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Speaker 7: you've heard. But I've got to say I would find
42:30
Speaker 7: it a bit uncomfortable if she was found to be ill.
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Speaker 7: It was illegal to say something like that, even as
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Speaker 7: stupid and as hurtful as it is. But then I
42:39
Speaker 7: have to wrestle with the other side of my brain,
42:41
Speaker 7: which goes, if someone was saying that about my wife
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Speaker 7: and I had the resources that Macron has to stop
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Speaker 7: that happening, I certainly want to be taking it lying down.
42:52
Speaker 7: I certainly want to be doing nothing about it. I
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Speaker 7: would probably be pursuing the exact same course of action
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Speaker 7: that he is.
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Speaker 2: Point and Christy, this story, as weird as it is,
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Speaker 2: at least it's all sorts of strange contradictions. For instance,
43:06
Speaker 2: why present scientific proof. Don't the progressive left insist that
43:09
Speaker 2: if you say you're a woman, you are This seems
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Speaker 2: an admission that gender is a fixed biological reality.
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Speaker 16: Oh, look, of course, well there's that element to it
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Speaker 16: as well, And I'll just build on what James was
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Speaker 16: saying in that.
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Speaker 12: Look, there's a.
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Speaker 16: Rule in politics that we have where if people are
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Speaker 16: making outlandish claims, your position, as someone in the position
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Speaker 16: of authority, in this case the French president the highest authority,
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Speaker 16: is just to ignore it and to not pay it
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Speaker 16: any attention, to not give it any currency, to treat
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Speaker 16: it for the stupidity. It is, but of course it's
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Speaker 16: a highly personal issue. It has got a lot of
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Speaker 16: currency around certain elements in the US media, and people
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Speaker 16: have used it to elevate their own social media standing.
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Speaker 16: But I do like the American person responding to the
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Speaker 16: action here, and I'm not going to mention her name
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Speaker 16: to give it currency, James in saying, using the very
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Speaker 16: American free speech and defeat. But of course this is
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Speaker 16: against France, and she doesn't like the fact that they
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Speaker 16: have filed the court at in her homestead of Delaware,
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Speaker 16: saying that it will significantly hurt her business. I think
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Speaker 16: that is the last part, the last concern that the
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Speaker 16: French president and his wife have looked. They have a
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Speaker 16: very unusual relationship from me. But my body deserves it.
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Speaker 2: You make it, you make You make a really great point, Christy,
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Speaker 2: that's a really great point. I just want to go
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Speaker 2: back to the UK for a second. Stay with me,
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Speaker 2: both of you. You can see their Trump meeting with
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Speaker 2: Keir Starmer. After this meeting, of course, there will be
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Speaker 2: a press conference. There's been fifteen journalists invited to the
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Speaker 2: press conference. But interestingly, as we watch the US president
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Speaker 2: and the British Prime to disappear inside there for their meeting.
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Speaker 3: The ABC here in Australia.
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Speaker 2: Of being told there's not enough room for their journalist
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Speaker 2: in the press conference that will follow the meeting we're
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Speaker 2: watching right now. This, of course, follows the altercation between
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Speaker 2: the US President and the ABC's US reporter John Lyons.
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Speaker 3: James Bolt.
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Speaker 2: What do you think of that the ABC being excluded
45:23
Speaker 2: from Trump's press conference this afternoon in the UK?
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Speaker 8: Is it fair?
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Speaker 7: I'll get to that in a second. I just can't
45:30
Speaker 7: help but watch that footage there and just think back
45:32
Speaker 7: to myself from the American Revolution that the American people,
45:35
Speaker 7: for it's so long and so bitterly, do not have
45:39
Speaker 7: the same sort of king like material that we just
45:41
Speaker 7: saw there. But look to the ABC. The official statement
45:45
Speaker 7: said that it was just a matter of logistics, so
45:48
Speaker 7: I think we have to take that as true. But yes,
45:50
Speaker 7: I get that it's the timing is so close to
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Speaker 7: John Lyons's efforts to finally be the person to speak
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Speaker 7: truth to Donald Trump that it's hard to set pray
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Speaker 7: the two. Sorry, if it is the case that Donald
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Speaker 7: Trump is so angry at the ABC that twenty four
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Speaker 7: hours later you can't have them at a press conference.
46:06
Speaker 7: I've got to say it's a little bit thin skin
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Speaker 7: from Trump. Maybe not completely unsurprising, but I swear like
46:14
Speaker 7: for the ABC, this is their grounding moment as a
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Speaker 7: news organization. Every news organization dreams of being on Donald
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Speaker 7: Trump's bad side, and I'm glad the ABC you finally
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Speaker 7: got there.
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Speaker 3: You're right though.
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Speaker 2: It's like when people you really don't like block you
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Speaker 2: on social media and then you advertise the fact as
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Speaker 2: a point that you've scored.
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Speaker 3: Christy.
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Speaker 2: I know a lot of people love to sink the
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Speaker 2: boot into the ABC, but I'm with James on this one.
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Speaker 2: I think the ABC have been dealtfairly just because of
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Speaker 2: an altercation in the US. They shouldn't be banned from
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Speaker 2: the London press conference because of course all of us
46:48
Speaker 2: are penalized, or at least those of us who might
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Speaker 2: watch the ABC.
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Speaker 16: Yeah, of course, it's own national broadcaster. It's a state visit.
46:56
Speaker 16: It's a very important relationship at that is on display
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Speaker 16: there between the US and the UK, and of course
47:03
Speaker 16: it has significant ramifications for Australia and our national broadcaster
47:08
Speaker 16: shouldn't be told of the last minute that there's no
47:10
Speaker 16: room for them. And of course you have to wonder
47:14
Speaker 16: if it is some sort of machination following the John
47:17
Speaker 16: Lyons exchange. You know, I don't know. It's probably going
47:21
Speaker 16: to be the making of the AB said world news
47:24
Speaker 16: desks around the world, but.
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Speaker 12: I think they should be there.
47:28
Speaker 16: It's a little bit churlish from Trump, I think, isn't it.
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Speaker 3: I think it is. Just before we go, I want
47:36
Speaker 3: to ask you about one other free speech issue.
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Speaker 2: Jimmy Kimmel Live has been canceled in definitely by the
47:42
Speaker 2: American ABC after his comments read Charlie Kirk. A lot
47:47
Speaker 2: of people are really glad about this. Others are saying
47:49
Speaker 2: it's an attack on free speech. Just quickly, James Bolt,
47:54
Speaker 2: what do you think of Jimmy Kimmel's program being canceled
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Speaker 2: after what he said about Kirk?
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Speaker 7: As singly as I can. If it's just the ABC
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Speaker 7: wanting to make sure that they can still distribute their
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Speaker 7: TV shows, this isn't a free speech issue. It's a
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Speaker 7: private organization making an employee decision based on money versus revenue.
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Speaker 7: If it is the case of the FCC needed Jimmy
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Speaker 7: Kimmel to go, then it is a free speech issue,
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Speaker 7: and that's disgraceful.
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Speaker 2: I think you've summarized it beautifully. Could not have said
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Speaker 2: it better myself. James Bolt, Christy McSweeney, thanks so much
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Speaker 2: for joining me. Well that's all i've got time for tonight.
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Speaker 2: Have a wonderful weekend, but stick around. Coming up right
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Speaker 2: now is Sharry Markson Good Night