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Joe Rogan Experience _2530 - Timothy Alberino · Luke's English Podcast

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  Speaker 1: Podcast. Check it out the Joe Logan Experience Trained by
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  Speaker 1: Day Joe.
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  Speaker 2: Rogan podcast By Night, All day.
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  Speaker 1: Seems fine to meet you, great to be with you.
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  Speaker 3: I've seen a lot of your content online, but the
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  Speaker 3: one that got me the most was absolutely the Giant
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  Speaker 3: in Afghanistan, the Kandahart Giant story. And I don't know
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  Speaker 3: if you know, but I had Devin Lrat on the
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  Speaker 3: podcast The arm Wrestler, and he told the story about
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  Speaker 3: how when he was in the Canadian military, he was
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  Speaker 3: deployed in Afghanistan and one of the guys that he
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  Speaker 3: was working with over there had to have a conversation
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  Speaker 3: with a warlord, with a local warlord, and he said,
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  Speaker 3: this guy was eight feet tall. He said, this guy
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  Speaker 3: was fucking huge, and not.
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  Speaker 4: Just tall, but wide.
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  Speaker 3: He said it was the biggest man he's ever seen
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  Speaker 3: in his life.
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  Speaker 1: Well, I've heard a lot of things about giants in Afghanistan,
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  Speaker 1: and I find that, you know, I talk about a
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  Speaker 1: lot of different topics. I talk about a lot of
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  Speaker 1: UFO stuff, and I say some things that I know
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  Speaker 1: are that I know can get me in trouble. But
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  Speaker 1: nothing makes me more nervous than talking about giants. Specifically
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  Speaker 1: the Kandahar Giant and the giants in Kandahar in general. Why,
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  Speaker 1: you know, mainly because when I talk to people who
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  Speaker 1: know things, they're very, very nervous when we get to
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  Speaker 1: this topic, and some of them will just flat out
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  Speaker 1: will not talk about giants in general, but specifically giants
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  Speaker 1: in Afghanistan. And some of these guys are high level
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  Speaker 1: guys that worked at the Pentagon, and they'll talk rather
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  Speaker 1: freely with me about UFOs, but as soon as we
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  Speaker 1: broach this topic, it's like they warn't. They literally will
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  Speaker 1: warn me be careful with this topic.
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  Speaker 3: What what do you make of that?
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  Speaker 1: Well? I think that the topic of giants is intermeshed
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  Speaker 1: with the occult. That's my personal theory because nothing else
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  Speaker 1: makes sense. Who cares if there's eight foot tall guys, right,
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  Speaker 1: big deal?
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  Speaker 3: Well there's eight foot tall humans, right, there's We were
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  Speaker 3: just talking about that young kid that's a basketball player
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  Speaker 3: that's seven foot nine, right.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: So there's actual giants that are in public, right that
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  Speaker 3: like play for the NBA, right that they're out there,
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  Speaker 3: you could meet them.
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  Speaker 1: But when I talk when I say giants, I'm talking
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  Speaker 1: about nine to twelve feet tall. That's that's eight to
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  Speaker 1: twelve feet tall. Would would I would I would classify
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  Speaker 1: an eight foot tall person as a giant as well,
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  Speaker 1: as long as they don't have gigantism, right, that's a
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  Speaker 1: completely different thing. Gigantism is a disability.
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  Speaker 3: This Kandahart giant story is very crazy because what's interesting
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  Speaker 3: about it is the people that I've talked to that
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  Speaker 3: have been in Afghanistan, that were deployed in Afghanistan, not
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  Speaker 3: just Devon but other people, they don't dismiss it. They say,
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  Speaker 3: We've heard some weird shit about that place. And the
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  Speaker 3: thing that they always say is you've got to realize,
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  Speaker 3: like Afghanistan is an old country. It's old, and it's
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  Speaker 3: very remote, like most of it is very mountainous. It's
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  Speaker 3: controlled by war lords. And you know, look, there's these
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  Speaker 3: what are those? Are they Greek or Roman? Those structures
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  Speaker 3: that are there that were that date the Greek They
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  Speaker 3: look like Greek temples that date back to Alexander the
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  Speaker 3: Great and archaeologists can't study them.
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  Speaker 4: They can't go there because it's too dangerous.
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  Speaker 1: It's one of the most remote places on the planet. Specifically,
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  Speaker 1: because it's so dangerous, you can't just go strolling around Afghanistan.
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  Speaker 1: You probably would It probably would be easier to go
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  Speaker 1: to Antarctica than Afghanistan. And it's so hilarious. So the
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  Speaker 1: story of the Kandahar Giant.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, let's tell a story.
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  Speaker 1: This story has grown into a mythology over the years.
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  Speaker 1: Years ago, I was working with a gentleman named Steve
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  Speaker 1: Quail and we started a production company called Jen six Productions,
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  Speaker 1: and we were making documentary films mainly about giants, mainly
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  Speaker 1: on the topic of giants.
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  Speaker 3: Giants has referred to in the Bible in history, the
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  Speaker 3: Smithsonian giants.
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  Speaker 1: That's right, Biblical and historical accounts of giants. So I
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  Speaker 1: was traveling around the world investigating giants and Steve is
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  Speaker 1: known for his investigations into giants. And he got a
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  Speaker 1: phone call from an elderly woman who told him, you
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  Speaker 1: need to talk to my son. My son has a
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  Speaker 1: story he needs to tell you. And she had to
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  Speaker 1: convince her son to talk to Steve, and ultimately he did,
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  Speaker 1: and he was active duty. He was a Sea one
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  Speaker 1: thirty pilot active duty. He actually went on coast to
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  Speaker 1: coast with Steve. They went on coast to Ghost together
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  Speaker 1: and he related his story. I believe it. George norri him,
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  Speaker 1: Steve and George, and then later on we flew him
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  Speaker 1: into bos in Montana to put him in our documentary
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  Speaker 1: film that we were making, and he did not he
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  Speaker 1: wanted to be filmed in silhouette. He did not want
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  Speaker 1: his face out there, even though he knew that they're
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  Speaker 1: going to be able to mark him just by his voice.
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  Speaker 1: So he flies into Bozeman, we meet with him, he
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  Speaker 1: shows us his credentials. He was active duty C one thirty,
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  Speaker 1: and then he told us the following story, among many
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  Speaker 1: other things that he told us. He said, back in
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  Speaker 1: two thousand and five, he was deployed in Afghanistan and
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  Speaker 1: Iraq running missions as a c HE one thirty cargo pilot,
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  Speaker 1: and oftentimes they would have him fly into Bagram Airfield
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  Speaker 1: and these were routine missions, and so on one of
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  Speaker 1: these missions, he's flying into Bagram, but this time when
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  Speaker 1: he landed, he was met. As soon as he deplained,
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  Speaker 1: he was met on the tarmac by some individuals that
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  Speaker 1: he describes as the babysitters. He calls him the babysitters.
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  Speaker 1: He thinks they were either army intelligence or air force
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  Speaker 1: intelligence guys, and they didn't tell him, but this was
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  Speaker 1: different because when he disembarked, they told him no photos,
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  Speaker 1: no mention of this. Ever, this never happened, so he
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  Speaker 1: knew that whatever was about to happen was top secret.
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  Speaker 1: And he had flown classified missions before, usually retrieving Teliban
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  Speaker 1: guys what he described as high valued assets. But this
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  Speaker 1: was different because there were intelligence guys on the tarmac
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  Speaker 1: waiting for something. And it turns out what they were
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  Speaker 1: waiting for was the cargo that was being delivered on
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  Speaker 1: a forklift to the sea one thirty and the pilot
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  Speaker 1: says that the first thing that struck him as this
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  Speaker 1: cargo is moving toward him and his crew was the odor.
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  Speaker 1: He said, it smelled like this like musk, bio and death,
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  Speaker 1: and it was extremely pungent. And when the cargo arrived,
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  Speaker 1: it was on an air cargo palette which is seven
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  Speaker 1: y nine, and there was a he could see that
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  Speaker 1: there was a person on the pallet in the fetal position,
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  Speaker 1: and this individual was so large that his hands and
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  Speaker 1: his feet and part of his head were hanging off
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  Speaker 1: a palette, and he and his loadmaster, and there were
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  Speaker 1: some marines who accompanied the pellet, who accompanied this cargo
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  Speaker 1: they were actually putting their feet up to this guy's feet,
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  Speaker 1: this dead giant's feet, and seeing how small their feet
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  Speaker 1: were compared to his. Now, the giant had red hair,
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  Speaker 1: he had six fingers on each hand, six toes on
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  Speaker 1: each foot. His feet were wrapped in like a crude
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  Speaker 1: canvas foot, and he was solid as a rock. Again,
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  Speaker 1: most of his body was covered by a tart. But
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  Speaker 1: the pilot and the guys around him were hitting him
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  Speaker 1: with their fists, and he came up to about their midsection,
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  Speaker 1: laying in the fetal position, and the pilot told me
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  Speaker 1: he was solid as a rock, this guy. And he
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  Speaker 1: asked the Marines what happened? Where did this guy come from?
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  Speaker 1: And they told him that they had heard that there
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  Speaker 1: was a team that was out in Afghanistan that was
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  Speaker 1: looking for Taliban or something, and they came upon a
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  Speaker 1: cave because there was a nearby village in the villagers
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  Speaker 1: where we're bringing food and other artifacts in the mouth
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  Speaker 1: of this cave, and so they thought that they're aiding
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  Speaker 1: and abetting the Taliban, So they went into the cave
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  Speaker 1: and rather than encountering the Taliban, what they found was
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  Speaker 1: this enormous humanoid who killed them all and then according
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  Speaker 1: to these soldiers, they deployed another team to go look
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  Speaker 1: for that team, and when they found the cave, they
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  Speaker 1: found the traces of that other team. They were ready,
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  Speaker 1: they were prepared, and they were able to kill the giant.
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  Speaker 1: In fact, the soldiers told the pilot that the giant
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  Speaker 1: was eating on members of the team who had who
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  Speaker 1: had killed previously. But these new guys they took him
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  Speaker 1: down and then they had a transport helicopter come in
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  Speaker 1: and airlift him to Bogram.
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  Speaker 3: Did you ever try to find records of who was
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  Speaker 3: there and casualties that were reported, deaths that were reported.
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  Speaker 1: It's very difficult. The Pentagon actually released a statement some
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  Speaker 1: years ago, which is bizarre to me, you know, basically saying,
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  Speaker 1: in paraphrasing, the Kandahar Giant incident never happened. There was
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  Speaker 1: never a giant that was killed in Afghanistan.
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  Speaker 4: The Pentagon.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, it was a recent It was like a spokesman
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  Speaker 1: from the Pentagon or something, or a release from the Pentagon.
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  Speaker 4: Is this available online?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, they actually felt the need to debunk this.
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  Speaker 4: That's hilarious. Now, that gets me sketchy.
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  Speaker 1: Well, I believe the pilot because he was a very
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  Speaker 1: credible guy. He didn't want his name out there. He
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  Speaker 1: didn't want fame or notoriety. He was very nervous. He thought,
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  Speaker 1: there's a good chance that they're going to recognize me
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  Speaker 1: by my voice. He was on Coast to Coast a
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  Speaker 1: m and then he's on in our documentary. There's a
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  Speaker 1: good chance I'm going to get recognized and there's going
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  Speaker 1: to be some reprisal. He was nervous. Now, they weighed
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  Speaker 1: the giant before they loaded him on the C one
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  Speaker 1: thirty because they have to load everything that goes under
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  Speaker 1: the see. The load master weighed him. He weighed eleven
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  Speaker 1: hundred pounds and they estimated his height at ten to
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  Speaker 1: twelve feet tall. And so they loaded him onto the
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  Speaker 1: C one thirty and then they flew him to Katar,
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  Speaker 1: and then they unloaded the cargo and Qatar and our
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  Speaker 1: pilot told me he heard through the grapevine that the
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  Speaker 1: body ended up at right Patterson Air Force Base. He said,
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  Speaker 1: I don't know, that's just what I heard. So this
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  Speaker 1: is a first hand account from the C one thirty
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  Speaker 1: pilot who flew the body himself from Barbara Airfield to Qatar.
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  Speaker 4: Why does all the weird shit go to right Patterson.
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  Speaker 1: That's a good question.
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  Speaker 4: You know, that's where the weird shit goes.
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  Speaker 1: Right Patterson used to have the Blue Room. I don't
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  Speaker 1: know if they still have it, but they used to
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  Speaker 1: have a room there called the Blue Room where they
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  Speaker 1: had all of the alien artifacts that had been recovered
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  Speaker 1: that they were studying, and it was completely off limits
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  Speaker 1: to anybody except for people who had access, the very
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  Speaker 1: few who had access. But the Kandahar Giant, you know
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  Speaker 1: that story. A colleague of mine, Eli Marsouli, he had
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  Speaker 1: another guy come to him, a different guy. We interviewed
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  Speaker 1: the pilot step and I LA had another guy come
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  Speaker 1: to him that was I can't remember the details. He
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  Speaker 1: was a Special Forces guy. He had firsthand knowledge of
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  Speaker 1: the event as well. And we're not sure if it's
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  Speaker 1: the same one or a different one, if there was
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  Speaker 1: just one incident with the giants, or if there were
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  Speaker 1: multiple incidents. Now years later, this would be just a
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  Speaker 1: couple of years ago, because we published that film I
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  Speaker 1: think back in twenty sixteen, but just a couple of
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  Speaker 1: years ago. And I do have to be very careful here.
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  Speaker 1: I ran into a gentleman who was very high up.
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  Speaker 1: Let's say in the operations happening out there during the
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  Speaker 1: Iraq War and in Afghanistan, and this individual had he'd
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  Speaker 1: flown a lot of missions and he was a commander,
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  Speaker 1: and I asked him. We were having a casual conversation
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  Speaker 1: and he starts to walk away, and I said, hey,
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  Speaker 1: you were in flying missions in Afghanists And I said,
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  Speaker 1: did you have you ever heard about the Kandahar Giant?
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  Speaker 1: And his wife was standing next to me and he's
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  Speaker 1: sort of walking away. He turns around. The blood rushes
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  Speaker 1: out of his face and he literally goes like this
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  Speaker 1: to me, points to his phone, and his wife whispers,
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  Speaker 1: he can't talk about that. So later on I was
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  Speaker 1: able to. We agreed to meet it later on and
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  Speaker 1: in a very controlled environment, and he related a story
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  Speaker 1: to me that's the most wild story I've ever heard
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  Speaker 1: in my life. And I'm sorry, I can't relate it.
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  Speaker 1: I love this guy, I want to protect him, but
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  Speaker 1: it's not the Giant of Candahar. It's the giants of Kandahar.
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  Speaker 1: There's more than one the military has known about it. Then,
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  Speaker 1: aside from him, I talked to other soldiers who've also
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  Speaker 1: who've also had knowledge of that. The specific incident that
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  Speaker 1: I decided earlier, but then also in general the giants
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  Speaker 1: in Afghanistan. And I have a friend of mine who
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  Speaker 1: I met some years ago. Actually, I was with Lue
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  Speaker 1: Alisando at Loose Bar in Wyoming and there is a
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  Speaker 1: friend of Luz who's now a friend of mine there
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  Speaker 1: and we were talking about the Kandahar Giant. I was
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  Speaker 1: just telling him the story I told you, and he
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  Speaker 1: just couldn't believe it. He thought, this is nuts, this
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  Speaker 1: is crazy. And I said, Okay, do something for me.
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  Speaker 1: Next time you're talking to somebody in government or in
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  Speaker 1: the military who you think maybe might know something about this,
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  Speaker 1: bring it up. See what happens. So he called me
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  Speaker 1: one day and he said, Tim, you're not going to
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  Speaker 1: believe it. He said, I was talking to I have
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  Speaker 1: to be very careful here too. He said, I was
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  Speaker 1: talking to a certain individual who works for a senator.
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  Speaker 1: He's a staffer. I think I believe he's one of
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  Speaker 1: the chief of staff for the senator, or at the
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  Speaker 1: very least an advisor. And he's got a military background,
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  Speaker 1: special Forces. And he said, I was sitting there. We're
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  Speaker 1: really good friends. He said. We're having a casual conversation
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  Speaker 1: as we always do. And just in the midst of
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  Speaker 1: this conversation, I said, hey, what what do you know
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  Speaker 1: about the Candahar giant? And he said his face completely contorted,
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  Speaker 1: and he was no longer just they were no longer
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  Speaker 1: just being happy and laughing. He became very stern and
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  Speaker 1: he and he said, what have you gotten yourself into?
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  Speaker 1: What are you looking into? He said, you need to
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  Speaker 1: be really careful, and he wouldn't tell him anything else.
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  Speaker 1: That's the kind of reaction that I get and others
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  Speaker 1: get whenever we try and get information on this story.
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  Speaker 3: It's a very fun story. I don't know why it's
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  Speaker 3: so fun, but it's very fun. But the question is
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  Speaker 3: what would be the reason why they would want to
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  Speaker 3: keep something like this a secret. I don't I don't
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  Speaker 3: totally understand it.
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  Speaker 1: I don't either.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, if there really were.
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  Speaker 3: A race of giants that survived, let's assume that what
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  Speaker 3: we're talking about is what's referenced in the Bible, right,
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  Speaker 3: Let's let's assume or at least the Book of Enoch, right,
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  Speaker 3: the Nephilim right, if we're talking about giants, like the
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  Speaker 3: thing about giants is like Native Americans have stories about
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  Speaker 3: redheaded giants. They talk about the same thing about them
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  Speaker 3: having six fingers and six toes. They have these same myths,
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  Speaker 3: like how is it that people from the Middle East
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  Speaker 3: and people from North America have this same ancient story
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  Speaker 3: and what is it? What is it in reference to?
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  Speaker 3: Like why does that it's ubiquitous?
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  Speaker 1: This? I mean, legends of giants are universal all.
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  Speaker 4: Over the Why I hide that? That's what I understanding.
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  Speaker 3: Like the stories about the Smithsonian are always fascinating because
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  Speaker 3: the stories are there have been archaeological digs and they
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  Speaker 3: have discovered like enormous femurs that they thought were like
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  Speaker 3: wooly mammoth or something, and then they realized like, well,
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  Speaker 3: this is a giant human. And they find hair and
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  Speaker 3: the hair is red, and that they and that they
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  Speaker 3: take these bones and they tuck them away somewhere.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, this is always the myth.
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  Speaker 3: They tuck them away in the basement of the Smithsonian
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  Speaker 3: or somewhere else, and for whatever reason, the general public
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  Speaker 3: is not allowed to know about this. And I don't
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  Speaker 3: totally understand what is it about giants that they would
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  Speaker 3: try to key from us, Like if they find a
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  Speaker 3: new species of dinosaur that's extinct, they'll let you know, fascinating, amazing,
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  Speaker 3: they find Homo floresciensis, or however you say it, the
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  Speaker 3: little hobbit people. Let you know, look, we found a
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  Speaker 3: little hobbit people, pretty cool giants for whatever reason.
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  Speaker 1: You know, it is a it's a conundrum. And if
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  Speaker 1: it's real, it's you think it's giants in general?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, oh yeah, what makes you think it's real?
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  Speaker 1: Okay, So let me tell you why I think that
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  Speaker 1: this thing being covered up, and then I'll tell you
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  Speaker 1: why I think it's real, and we'll go to Sardinia
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  Speaker 1: for that. So I, like you have been wondering for
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  Speaker 1: a long time, like what is the big deal? And initially,
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  Speaker 1: people in my field, especially people who are coming from
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  Speaker 1: a biblical perspective, the common answer is, well, the existence
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  Speaker 1: of giants would affirm the Biblical narrative, right, and so
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  Speaker 1: these secular atheist types don't want the biblical narrative affirm.
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  Speaker 1: That can't be right because the existence of giants doesn't
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  Speaker 1: just affirm the Biblical narrative. It affirms the myths and
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  Speaker 1: legends of every ancient culture across the globe, including the Bible.
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  Speaker 1: So it's not something that's specific exclusive to the text
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  Speaker 1: of scripture, so it would just affirm all these legends
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  Speaker 1: in general. So the only thing that makes sense to
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  Speaker 1: me at this point, and the other line of thinking,
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  Speaker 1: by the way, would be that it would somehow conflict
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  Speaker 1: with the theory of evolution by natural selection, which I
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  Speaker 1: don't really buy into that either, because they would just
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  Speaker 1: say that this branch of humanoids they descended from gigantopithecus
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  Speaker 1: or something like that. I don't think it would be
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  Speaker 1: that difficult of a problem for the theory of evolution
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  Speaker 1: binatial selection either. I'm not myself an evolutionist, but I
• 19:16
  Speaker 1: don't see them having that difficult of a problem here.
• 19:20
  Speaker 1: So the only thing left on the table for me
• 19:22
  Speaker 1: is that there's something very sinister going on in regard
• 19:25
  Speaker 1: to the remains of giants. And if you study the
• 19:32
  Speaker 1: mythology of giants all over the world, especially in the
• 19:36
  Speaker 1: ancient Near East, you will discover that there was in
• 19:39
  Speaker 1: fact a cult of giants, that there were cultures that
• 19:42
  Speaker 1: venerated giants, and that there was a very particular belief
• 19:46
  Speaker 1: about giants. And this goes back into the Book of Enoch,
• 19:51
  Speaker 1: and the idea is that this race of beings who
• 19:54
  Speaker 1: are not entirely human. They're hybrids that when they die
• 19:58
  Speaker 1: you can still make content with their spirits, with their souls,
• 20:02
  Speaker 1: they can be summoned. They in fact, these are the
• 20:05
  Speaker 1: demons that these are in the New Testament of the Bible.
• 20:08
  Speaker 1: These are the demons that possess people. This is the
• 20:10
  Speaker 1: origin of demons, by the way, in Hebrew cosmology. So
• 20:15
  Speaker 1: there's this pervasive idea again, especially in the ancient eariest,
• 20:20
  Speaker 1: that dead giants can be communicated with and can possess
• 20:25
  Speaker 1: living human beings their spirits, and so you have a
• 20:28
  Speaker 1: cult of giants to the ancient Earies, especially among the Canaanites,
• 20:32
  Speaker 1: and the Canaanites they had Actually there's various customs and
• 20:43
  Speaker 1: rights related to giants, but one of the specific ones
• 20:46
  Speaker 1: that we know about is called kiss them, the right
• 20:49
  Speaker 1: of kiss them. And there's a fantastic book written by
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: my friends Derek and Shearon Gilbert called Veneration where they
• 20:55
  Speaker 1: detail the right of kiss them and this idea of
• 20:59
  Speaker 1: making intact with the spirits of dead giants and the
• 21:02
  Speaker 1: veneration of giants and the right of kispum was it
• 21:06
  Speaker 1: was practiced broadly speaking in the ancient areas, but specifically
• 21:09
  Speaker 1: among the Amorites and other Canaanite clans as well. And
• 21:15
  Speaker 1: what they would do is they would hold a feast
• 21:18
  Speaker 1: and then they would invite the dead to come and
• 21:22
  Speaker 1: join them at the feast. So this was a necromantic right.
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: And they would they would evoke the dead, and they
• 21:30
  Speaker 1: believed that the dead would come and eat with them. Now,
• 21:32
  Speaker 1: the kings, and specifically the Amorite kings, they would invoke
• 21:36
  Speaker 1: the spirits of the Mighty Ones, the Great Ones, the
• 21:39
  Speaker 1: giants of old, the refaim. The Biblical account names various
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: different clans of giants that inhabited the Levant during and
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: after the conquest by Joshua and the Hebrews. And you
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: had the Anachem, who descended from the Nephelene. You had
• 21:58
  Speaker 1: the Refayeen, Zamzumim, the Emim. These are various clans of
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: giants that are specifically named in the Bible. Of course,
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: we get Goliath of Gath, Gath as a Philistine city.
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: After Joshua entered the Promised Land, they drove out and
• 22:14
  Speaker 1: eradicated a lot of these giant clans, but some of
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: them remained. Some of the individuals remained, and they were
• 22:21
  Speaker 1: primarily went to the Philistine cities of Gaza, Gath and Ashdod,
• 22:26
  Speaker 1: and so you have Goliath of Gath, who David encounters
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: later in the biblical text. So it's these heroes of old,
• 22:32
  Speaker 1: these descendants of the Nepheline, that the Amorites and the
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: ancient Near Easterners are attempting to make contact with because
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: they have knowledge and these are possessing spirits, and so
• 22:45
  Speaker 1: the right of kisspoon that the kings would summon the
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: refaim by name, and you can find this in the
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: Eugaritic texts. Yugurit was an Amorite city state located on
• 22:59
  Speaker 1: on the shore of the Mediterranean in what is today
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: northern Syria, and they have uncovered documents where the Emrii
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: kings are summoning, specifically by names, summoning dead giants the
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: Refaen and the idea is to summon them and then
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: to become empowered by their spirits. They're possessing spirits. Again,
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: this goes back to the tradition of Enoch that the
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: giants when they die, their spirits are in sort of
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: a state of suspended animation and they can be revived,
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: They can be resurrected, as it were, and can be
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: made to inhabit the bodies of human beings. So there's
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: this ancient cult that existed in the ancient Near East
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: and in other parts of the world, and it's associated
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: with the cult of Bale. So you have Bail. The
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: giants are thought of as the warriors of Bail. So
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: today we know that the cult of Bale persists. I
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: mean the Epstein Files, we know that the cult of
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: Bail is still being practiced.
• 24:02
  Speaker 4: When you say the Epstein Files, what do you mean?
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: There's references to Bail, and there's there's the there's this
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: recurrent theme of bail worship and Bail Jesus. Jesus refers
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: to Bail as Satan in the New Testament, so it's
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: basically Satanism. It's it's a Satanic cult.
• 24:22
  Speaker 4: And how's the reference in the Epstein Files.
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: There's some there's some references to Bail. I can't remember
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: the exact references, but there's there's a there's apparently a
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: cult of Baale and the elites are obsessed with some
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: of the elites. I don't know who or how many
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: of them, but it's becoming increasingly apparent that there's a
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: a that there's an infatuation with these ancient Near Eastern cults,
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: specifically the Canaaniddish cults. And so the reason why I'm
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: going through all of this is because I think it's
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: still alive and well today in society, and I believe
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: that they're using the bones the remains of giants in
• 24:59
  Speaker 1: these practice. I think it's extremely dark. I think this
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: is part of the reason why, part of the reason
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: why there may be a cover up around it. Nothing
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: else makes sense to me. Nothing else makes sense to
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: me in terms of the cover up.
• 25:14
  Speaker 3: In terms of the coverable, it makes sense to me
• 25:17
  Speaker 3: that you have incredibly powerful, wealthy people that don't want
• 25:20
  Speaker 3: to be exposed as being perverts and whatever the fuck
• 25:25
  Speaker 3: they were up to. And there's all the weird shit
• 25:28
  Speaker 3: with beef jerky and pizza, you know, there's these very
• 25:33
  Speaker 3: strange references that seem to not be talking about beef
• 25:36
  Speaker 3: jerky and it's some kind of a code. And there's
• 25:40
  Speaker 3: also the fact that he brought an enormous amount of
• 25:44
  Speaker 3: sulphuric acid, like right after he was indicted to the island,
• 25:48
  Speaker 3: Like I forget how many gallons of it, but barrels
• 25:51
  Speaker 3: of sulfuric acid, which is what you would use to
• 25:54
  Speaker 3: dissolve bodies. So it's like it seems like there's a
• 25:57
  Speaker 3: lot of reasons for a cover up. If this guy
• 25:59
  Speaker 3: was running some sort of blackmail operation and had information
• 26:05
  Speaker 3: on powerful people, you would that would make sense that
• 26:09
  Speaker 3: that's why they would cover it up.
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: Well, that's the cover up of the pedophilia.
• 26:14
  Speaker 3: Or just but even if it's not pedophilia, even just
• 26:18
  Speaker 3: adultery or drug use or whatever.
• 26:22
  Speaker 5: The ball thing apparently comes up on a bank file,
• 26:28
  Speaker 5: and it may have been misinterpreted. It does say be
• 26:30
  Speaker 5: a A L dot name. People who are digging into
• 26:35
  Speaker 5: this say that it might have just been a misinterpretation.
• 26:37
  Speaker 5: That's the only mention of it.
• 26:39
  Speaker 4: Misinterpretation.
• 26:41
  Speaker 5: Uh yeah, I mean it's another page here shows that.
• 26:44
  Speaker 5: Here's like the document it might have just doesn't even
• 26:48
  Speaker 5: say it there that I can see it.
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm not sure exactly here's where it says it,
• 26:53
  Speaker 1: you know, exactly where bail is referenced specifically, Yeah, right
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: there for one place for sure. Bank document.
• 26:58
  Speaker 5: I don't know if that has anything and do it
• 27:00
  Speaker 5: the occult specifically, but.
• 27:02
  Speaker 3: Just imagine if it's the name of Satan and this
• 27:05
  Speaker 3: is the name of your bank account.
• 27:07
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, that's quite odd.
• 27:11
  Speaker 4: Yeah, that's at least creepy. Yeah for sure, at least creepy.
• 27:15
  Speaker 1: Yeah. So you have this, this this scenario in which
• 27:19
  Speaker 1: let's just say for the sake of argument, that it's true, okay,
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: that the legends are true, the giants are real, that
• 27:26
  Speaker 1: that you can make contact with.
• 27:27
  Speaker 3: Their spirits through their bone.
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: Through maybe through their remains. That or at least people
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: believe this, and so.
• 27:36
  Speaker 3: There's some sort of a method that they use.
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: Yeah, well, okay, so this will get us into Sardinia.
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: So whenever anyone asks me, what's the what's the best
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: evidence you've ever seen for the existence of giants. Now
• 27:48
  Speaker 1: you've already cited some some some historical context around this.
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: The legend of giants is every word. It's in every continent,
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: and you have giants aside from the Biblical account obviously
• 27:59
  Speaker 1: all over the Mesopotamia. The cult of giants in the
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: United States during the era of the Smithsonian Gate, the
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: Smithsonian's apparent the Smithsonian Institution's apparent cover up of giants,
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: especially the ones that were being discovered in the mounds
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: here in the United States, but it's pervasive in Peru,
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: there's legends of giants and uh, the natives, the indigenous
• 28:23
  Speaker 1: peoples absolutely believe there was a premordial race of giants.
• 28:26
  Speaker 1: The same thing in Central America. They believe there was
• 28:29
  Speaker 1: a premortal race of giants that was destroyed in a cataclysm,
• 28:31
  Speaker 1: specifically a flood. That's what the income believed that Beta
• 28:35
  Speaker 1: Coach of the Guy Beta Coacha created first a race
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: of giants, but they were they were they were stupid
• 28:40
  Speaker 1: and evil, and so he destroyed them in a flood.
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: Same same story down in up in Mexico and among
• 28:46
  Speaker 1: the Aztec and the Native Americans, the six finger red
• 28:50
  Speaker 1: haired giants and so forth. So there's a lot of
• 28:55
  Speaker 1: historical context, and I would and of course it's anecdotal,
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: but it's but how much anecdotal evidence just at one
• 29:01
  Speaker 1: point does anecdotal evidence just become evidence when there's when
• 29:04
  Speaker 1: it's so pervasive all over the world. So, as I
• 29:11
  Speaker 1: was traveling around the world studying giants and researching this
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: topic and investigating different stories and legends, I went to Malta,
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: which is very interesting. Obviously, lots of legends of giants
• 29:21
  Speaker 1: in Malta associated with the megaliths. And then and then
• 29:25
  Speaker 1: I kind of hit ground zero for giants, which is
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: the island of Sardinia. And the island of Sardinia is
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: located west of Rome. It's part of Italy. It's in
• 29:35
  Speaker 1: the western Mediterranean below Corsica. And many people don't realize
• 29:41
  Speaker 1: this about Sardinia, but Sardinia has the highest has the
• 29:48
  Speaker 1: most megaliths anywhere on Earth. It has the highest concentration
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: of megaliths anywhere that I've been, as far as I'm
• 29:57
  Speaker 1: aware of. There are these massive megalithic towers called nurragi
• 30:04
  Speaker 1: that were constructed allegedly by the or conventionally by the
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: the Neurogic civilization, Bronze Age civilization. And there are today
• 30:18
  Speaker 1: still at least seven thousand of these things standing. You
• 30:21
  Speaker 1: can go to Sardinia and see seven thousand Nuragi towers.
• 30:25
  Speaker 1: They're at one time ten to thirty thousand of these
• 30:30
  Speaker 1: megalithic towers, and some of these towers stood over one
• 30:34
  Speaker 1: hundred feet tall.
• 30:35
  Speaker 4: CHAMMIKHOI sees the pictures of the.
• 30:39
  Speaker 1: Yeah, how would he look Nuragi, Sardinia, Nuragi different things.
• 30:44
  Speaker 5: So I don't I guess this is it.
• 30:47
  Speaker 1: Is that?
• 30:48
  Speaker 4: Yeah, that's what it is.
• 30:50
  Speaker 3: So what is the timeline of this neurogic how do
• 30:53
  Speaker 3: you say it, neurogic.
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: The neurogic civilization. It's the Bronze Age.
• 30:56
  Speaker 4: Yeah, the Bronze Age. So what is that.
• 30:58
  Speaker 1: Thirty three hundred to thirty three hundred BC to about
• 31:01
  Speaker 1: twelve hundred BC.
• 31:03
  Speaker 4: And that's what this stuff is from.
• 31:05
  Speaker 1: And they say it was They say that these were
• 31:07
  Speaker 1: built in the Bronze Age. That's the conventional idea. And
• 31:12
  Speaker 1: again there's seven thousand of them on the island today,
• 31:16
  Speaker 1: but they're up up to I've seen estimates up to
• 31:18
  Speaker 1: thirty thousand, including of the museum in Sardinia. And aside
• 31:24
  Speaker 1: from these towers, they also have these are by the way,
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: these are megalithic. So these are these are megalithic towers
• 31:31
  Speaker 1: that are constructed in the Cyclopean style and Cyclopean masonry.
• 31:36
  Speaker 1: Cyclopean architecture is the trademark of megaliths worldwide and Cyclopean
• 31:42
  Speaker 1: this is the this is the the archaeological term for
• 31:46
  Speaker 1: the technique Cyclopean, referencing the Great Cyclopies of Greek mythology,
• 31:51
  Speaker 1: who are believed to be the inventors of tower building.
• 31:55
  Speaker 1: And you know, the builders, the offspring of the gods
• 31:57
  Speaker 1: who are the great builders and masons. That's the that's
• 32:02
  Speaker 1: the mythology. But the trademark of Cyclopean architecture is that
• 32:07
  Speaker 1: these are large stones that are fitted together without the
• 32:09
  Speaker 1: use of any binding agent like mortar, without any kind
• 32:12
  Speaker 1: of mortar. And you have exquisite examples of Cyclopean masonry
• 32:18
  Speaker 1: in different parts of the earth, like in Peru, the
• 32:20
  Speaker 1: walls of Saksaiwamanar are absolutely amazing, breathtaking lye beautiful in
• 32:28
  Speaker 1: regard to their design and the polygonal, tightly fitting blocks,
• 32:32
  Speaker 1: immense blocks of stone, whereas in Sardinia these are crude blocks,
• 32:38
  Speaker 1: the crudely worked blocks of basalt and granite and limestone
• 32:45
  Speaker 1: that are fitted together but without the use of mortar.
• 32:47
  Speaker 1: So they are built in the Cyclopean style. Again, some
• 32:49
  Speaker 1: of them were one hundred feet tall, and they had
• 32:53
  Speaker 1: some of them were for defensive purposes, and some of
• 32:57
  Speaker 1: them had a wooden platform that crown the top, and
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: that platform was buttressed by other very large stones that
• 33:03
  Speaker 1: were that were finally cut sometimes basalt. I've seen some
• 33:06
  Speaker 1: of these stones in Sardinia, and I've been to the
• 33:08
  Speaker 1: island a few times researching the towers and giants. And
• 33:14
  Speaker 1: aside from the towers, these megalithic towers, you also have
• 33:18
  Speaker 1: megalithic tombs which are called to this day the tombs
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: of the giants, and you can go and visit them.
• 33:26
  Speaker 1: There were there's eight hundred of them extent today and
• 33:30
  Speaker 1: archaeologists believe there were many more in the past. Noone
• 33:33
  Speaker 1: knows exactly how many, but oftentimes it seems to me
• 33:36
  Speaker 1: that the towers and the tombs are closely associated. If
• 33:39
  Speaker 1: you feel a function, I think that is that is
• 33:44
  Speaker 1: interlated and the megalithic tombs of the giants the legends,
• 33:51
  Speaker 1: and according to legend and Sardinia, they were associated with
• 33:55
  Speaker 1: the bodies of giants. But of course today you have
• 33:58
  Speaker 1: armchair archaeologists will say that's just myth. You couldn't even
• 34:02
  Speaker 1: fit bodies inside of these tombs. Yes you could. I mean,
• 34:05
  Speaker 1: none of these guys have ever bothered to go to
• 34:07
  Speaker 1: Sardinia with a tape measure. I did, and yes you can.
• 34:11
  Speaker 1: You can fit the bodies of nine eight, nine ten
• 34:14
  Speaker 1: foot tall guys in these tombs without a problem. And
• 34:18
  Speaker 1: there's two different styles of megalithic tombs in Sardinia. You
• 34:21
  Speaker 1: have the steely style, which there's a large steely stone,
• 34:29
  Speaker 1: a monolithic stone in the front with a little doorway
• 34:32
  Speaker 1: in it, and a doorway is almost like a little
• 34:33
  Speaker 1: doggy door at the bottom, but it's big enough, I
• 34:37
  Speaker 1: mean a young person could crawl through it. And then
• 34:41
  Speaker 1: you have the trilithon doorway, this style of megalithic tomb,
• 34:45
  Speaker 1: which is a larger doorway. You still have to like
• 34:47
  Speaker 1: a guy my size would still have to bend down
• 34:49
  Speaker 1: to get inside. But the tombs are configured the same,
• 34:51
  Speaker 1: they're shaped the same, these two different styles. And what
• 34:56
  Speaker 1: a lot of people misunderstand about the tombs is the
• 34:59
  Speaker 1: tombs were not built to house the bodies of giants.
• 35:05
  Speaker 1: They were built on top of the interred giant. So
• 35:10
  Speaker 1: the giant was inhumed beneath the tomb. It was buried
• 35:12
  Speaker 1: beneath the tomb, and then the edifice was built on
• 35:15
  Speaker 1: top so that opening.
• 35:17
  Speaker 4: Where are you getting this information, Oh, this.
• 35:19
  Speaker 1: Is known in Sardinia. I spent a lot of time
• 35:23
  Speaker 1: researching the tombs of the giants in Sardinia and talking
• 35:26
  Speaker 1: to various experts.
• 35:28
  Speaker 3: And who are these experts, like local historians, like.
• 35:31
  Speaker 1: What some of them? Yeah, there's there's you can go
• 35:33
  Speaker 1: to the You can also go to the museums in
• 35:36
  Speaker 1: Sardinian and read a lot of this stuff. Now the
• 35:40
  Speaker 1: I have a friend named Paula Loy, who's uh, she's
• 35:44
  Speaker 1: a she's a I think she's the best tour guide
• 35:48
  Speaker 1: in Sardinia, and she's extremely knowledgeable about all this stuff.
• 35:51
  Speaker 1: She'd take you to the museum and you walk through
• 35:52
  Speaker 1: all of this information with her. And they have little
• 35:55
  Speaker 1: models in the museum of the the tombs of the Giants,
• 36:00
  Speaker 1: And there's a legend in Sardinia that it's called the
• 36:06
  Speaker 1: It's called the right of incubation, and this is a
• 36:10
  Speaker 1: necromantic right that was practiced by the Sardinians, and it
• 36:14
  Speaker 1: describes the purpose of the tombs. So the tombs, when
• 36:16
  Speaker 1: you walk into the tombs again, they're megalithic. The walls
• 36:19
  Speaker 1: are megalithic. Some pretty large stones incorporated in these tombs.
• 36:23
  Speaker 1: When you walk into the tombs, there's a gallery inside.
• 36:26
  Speaker 1: And the gallery is rather large. You could fit a
• 36:29
  Speaker 1: body of vagina in there, but that's beside the point,
• 36:31
  Speaker 1: because that's not the purpose of the tomb. The purpose
• 36:34
  Speaker 1: of the tomb, of the gallery inside the tomb is
• 36:38
  Speaker 1: to is for the it's to accommodate a young person
• 36:46
  Speaker 1: during a rite of passage, and during the Bronze Age,
• 36:51
  Speaker 1: you're talking about boys from twelve to fourteen years old,
• 36:54
  Speaker 1: right generally speaking. And they would go into the tomb alone,
• 36:58
  Speaker 1: and they would be sealed in the tomb. So that
• 37:01
  Speaker 1: little doggie door that's in the Stelle, the steely version
• 37:05
  Speaker 1: of the tombs of the Giants, they would crawl in
• 37:08
  Speaker 1: there and then they would be sealed inside. And there's
• 37:10
  Speaker 1: a little on most of those steely tombs there's a
• 37:14
  Speaker 1: little hole at the top as well, so there's so
• 37:16
  Speaker 1: it's not like they're there's sealed in there and they
• 37:19
  Speaker 1: can't breathe or anything. No, they they would go in
• 37:22
  Speaker 1: there and they would spend some days in the tomb alone.
• 37:25
  Speaker 3: That's one of the.
• 37:26
  Speaker 1: Doors with the steely monolithic stone. And they're all shaped
• 37:31
  Speaker 1: the same. It's hard to tell because they've been disassembled,
• 37:34
  Speaker 1: many of them have been disassembled, but you can see
• 37:38
  Speaker 1: they're the trilithon. That's a trilithon tomb. That's a that's
• 37:42
  Speaker 1: something else that's a well. But the tombs are all shaped.
• 37:46
  Speaker 1: You can see down there, see right the picture right
• 37:48
  Speaker 1: below that one. There you go, see how the tombs
• 37:51
  Speaker 1: are shaped. Yeah, now that's all. All these tombs are
• 37:54
  Speaker 1: shaped that way. This has to do with the right
• 37:56
  Speaker 1: of incubation. So the young person would go inside the gallery.
• 37:59
  Speaker 1: They'd be sealed inside that the young boy and they
• 38:01
  Speaker 1: were the purpose of this was to incubate inside of
• 38:04
  Speaker 1: the gallery in order to be empowered and energized by
• 38:08
  Speaker 1: the spirit of the mighty One buried beneath the tomb.
• 38:13
  Speaker 1: And again, according to legend, the mighty ones were giants.
• 38:16
  Speaker 1: So I don't think it's coincidental that the tombs are
• 38:18
  Speaker 1: actually shaped like a womb if you look at that
• 38:22
  Speaker 1: the view of the tomb from above. Originally, when I
• 38:26
  Speaker 1: was researching this in Sardinia, I thought it was shaped
• 38:30
  Speaker 1: like a bull's head, which would be something like the
• 38:35
  Speaker 1: iconographic of Molek or something like that Canaan Niddish. But
• 38:39
  Speaker 1: I realized that actually this is shaped like a womb.
• 38:42
  Speaker 1: The tomb looks like a womb. If you pull up
• 38:45
  Speaker 1: a womb, you'll see what I mean. It looks like
• 38:47
  Speaker 1: a womb. A shaped like a womb. And this was
• 38:50
  Speaker 1: to accommodate the right of incubation. And so these young people.
• 38:54
  Speaker 1: The ideas they're in there, they are communing, incubate in
• 39:00
  Speaker 1: the presence of the dead hero buried beneath, and they're
• 39:04
  Speaker 1: absorbing their spirit, their prowess. And then the tomb is
• 39:09
  Speaker 1: unsealed and the young person emerges from the womb, as
• 39:12
  Speaker 1: it were, it's like a new birth. They're now they
• 39:16
  Speaker 1: went in a boy, they're now coming out a man,
• 39:19
  Speaker 1: empowered by the spirit of the of their ancestral heroes.
• 39:23
  Speaker 1: So these are called to this day the tombs of
• 39:26
  Speaker 1: the Giants. Now you can say, well, that's just that's
• 39:30
  Speaker 1: just mythology, that's just Sardinian legend. The problem is, you
• 39:35
  Speaker 1: can interview people, or at least you could in times past,
• 39:39
  Speaker 1: interview Sardinians all across the island who have themselves dug
• 39:45
  Speaker 1: up the bones of giants, or encounter the bones of
• 39:47
  Speaker 1: giants and in some kind of a in some context,
• 39:52
  Speaker 1: usually around the towers, the Nuragi towers. I interviewed dozens
• 39:57
  Speaker 1: of people in Sardinia, most of them elderly, who had
• 40:01
  Speaker 1: themselves encountered the bones of giants in different contexts. While
• 40:06
  Speaker 1: plowing in fields, they pull up bones, or they would
• 40:10
  Speaker 1: find the bones in the tombs or whatever. And it's
• 40:14
  Speaker 1: very easy to dismiss the whole thing as while they
• 40:16
  Speaker 1: were just digging up megafauna, right, the bones of mastodons
• 40:20
  Speaker 1: and giant sloths. The problem is some of these bones
• 40:23
  Speaker 1: had jewelry, some of them had had Roman coins associated
• 40:27
  Speaker 1: with them, some of them had rings on the fingers
• 40:29
  Speaker 1: and necklaces around the neck, the collar, and they would
• 40:36
  Speaker 1: actually and most of these were old timers, because this
• 40:42
  Speaker 1: doesn't it's not really happening anymore in Sartiny. This is
• 40:44
  Speaker 1: something that was happening in the sixties, fifties, forties, thirties
• 40:46
  Speaker 1: and back, but especially between like post World War two,
• 40:52
  Speaker 1: when the island was undergoing a process of industrialization and
• 40:55
  Speaker 1: they were building new roads and digging for foundations and stuff,
• 41:00
  Speaker 1: they were digging up the bones of giants. And there's
• 41:04
  Speaker 1: a particular church called Santa Anastasia in Sardinia, and it's
• 41:10
  Speaker 1: in the region of Sadada. And I interviewed two gentlemen
• 41:14
  Speaker 1: in Sardinia, two guys who were officially employed by the
• 41:19
  Speaker 1: municipality and by the University of Kagetti cajettis the capital
• 41:22
  Speaker 1: city of Sardinia. They were specifically employed to excavate the ruins,
• 41:27
  Speaker 1: the neurogic ruins on the premises of the Church of
• 41:31
  Speaker 1: Santa Anastasia. Santa Anastasia is a small, little Catholic church,
• 41:35
  Speaker 1: but if you go there you'll see that even today
• 41:37
  Speaker 1: you can see the remains of a neurogic settlement there.
• 41:41
  Speaker 1: There's a there are nuragi towers there. It's just it's
• 41:45
  Speaker 1: an archaeological site. And these two individuals, one of them,
• 41:49
  Speaker 1: his name was Giuseppe, the other's name was Roberto, and
• 41:52
  Speaker 1: Giuseppe worked there from He worked there from I believe
• 41:57
  Speaker 1: it was nineteen seventy nine to nineteen eighty one, and
• 42:01
  Speaker 1: then Roberto worked there from nineteen eighty two to nineteen
• 42:04
  Speaker 1: eighty four. Both of these guys employed officially in an
• 42:08
  Speaker 1: official capacity from the municipality of Sadada to do this excavation,
• 42:13
  Speaker 1: and so they would be there. The protocol was you
• 42:16
  Speaker 1: go and you excavate the ruins, and all the artifacts
• 42:20
  Speaker 1: you find get put into the church. So all the
• 42:23
  Speaker 1: artifacts went into the Church of sant Anastasi. And you
• 42:25
  Speaker 1: can see this church by the way if you pull
• 42:27
  Speaker 1: it up. It's called sant Anastasia and Sardinia, and all
• 42:31
  Speaker 1: the bones were put into the church. All the artifacts
• 42:33
  Speaker 1: were put into the church. And among the artifacts that
• 42:37
  Speaker 1: were being collected were the skeletons of giants, and not mastodons,
• 42:43
  Speaker 1: not giants, loographs. These guys they well, of course not
• 42:47
  Speaker 1: but these guys were very reluctant to talk to us.
• 42:51
  Speaker 1: The one guy, Roberto, was very nervous. He said, we
• 42:55
  Speaker 1: were told never to talk about this. This never happened again.
• 42:58
  Speaker 1: This was back in the eighties. He did think anything
• 43:00
  Speaker 1: of it. He wasn't told go to sant Anastasi and
• 43:03
  Speaker 1: look for the bones of giants. He was just told
• 43:05
  Speaker 1: go excavate the site. He was one of the excavators
• 43:08
  Speaker 1: at sant Anastasia, and the whole thing was being the
• 43:12
  Speaker 1: whole thing was being supervised by the municipality and the university.
• 43:16
  Speaker 1: And he dug up personally, he said, he dug up
• 43:20
  Speaker 1: the bodies, two bodies, ten foot tall, guys full skeletons,
• 43:25
  Speaker 1: and he laid them out in these ones he laid
• 43:27
  Speaker 1: out in the courtyard of the church, and he said,
• 43:30
  Speaker 1: he notified the people in Kagetti of the discovery. And
• 43:34
  Speaker 1: what would happen is all the artifacts that would go
• 43:36
  Speaker 1: into the church are in this case outside of the church.
• 43:39
  Speaker 1: Somebody would come at night and take him all away.
• 43:42
  Speaker 1: So they get there in the morning, all the artifacts
• 43:44
  Speaker 1: are gone. He didn't know where they went. The other individual, Giuseppe,
• 43:49
  Speaker 1: he also excavated giants from sant Anastasia, various various artifacts
• 43:55
  Speaker 1: related to the giants, gigantic plates, gigantic cups, and gold blets,
• 44:00
  Speaker 1: chalices they excavated. They excavated a lot of different artifacts,
• 44:05
  Speaker 1: rings and ear rings and necklaces and all kinds of
• 44:09
  Speaker 1: all manner of artifacts. And he told me that he
• 44:13
  Speaker 1: remembers a particular case in which he and his wife.
• 44:16
  Speaker 1: His wife was helping you. On this particular day, they're
• 44:18
  Speaker 1: excavating in the ruins and they found a skull that
• 44:21
  Speaker 1: was so large. The sculls were three to four times
• 44:23
  Speaker 1: larger than ours. He found this skull that was very large,
• 44:27
  Speaker 1: and it had part of the vertebrae attached. Some of
• 44:29
  Speaker 1: these remains were not just skeletal. There was like almost
• 44:32
  Speaker 1: like mummified, and he and his wife together carried it
• 44:37
  Speaker 1: into the church. He told me that while they were digging,
• 44:40
  Speaker 1: they unsealed a compartment inside of one of the towers.
• 44:46
  Speaker 1: There's this large room that was sealed like it was
• 44:51
  Speaker 1: just it had collapsed or whatever. It was sealed, and
• 44:53
  Speaker 1: they opened it up and they went inside and there
• 44:57
  Speaker 1: was a giant, this very large person sitting at a
• 45:00
  Speaker 1: table and there were there's a really large plate and
• 45:06
  Speaker 1: an oversized chalice there, and he even had he was
• 45:10
  Speaker 1: eating oysters and mussels and clams that were still on
• 45:14
  Speaker 1: the plate. And he was very large. I mean, these
• 45:17
  Speaker 1: guys are when I say large, are nine to twelve
• 45:19
  Speaker 1: feet tall. That's how tall these guys are. And they
• 45:22
  Speaker 1: were it was remarkable. He was extremely well preserved, and
• 45:26
  Speaker 1: because apparently he had been almost like hermetically sealed in
• 45:29
  Speaker 1: this thing. And so they they took all the artifacts
• 45:33
  Speaker 1: and the bones and put them into the church and
• 45:35
  Speaker 1: the next day they were all gone. I mean, this
• 45:37
  Speaker 1: was the procedure. Was these guys uncovered a lot of
• 45:40
  Speaker 1: interesting stuff at those at that that one particular, that
• 45:45
  Speaker 1: one particular excavation at the church of sant Anastasia in Sadrea,
• 45:50
  Speaker 1: and they were filling the church up with so many
• 45:52
  Speaker 1: artifacts that Giuseppe told me that he went over to
• 45:56
  Speaker 1: the mayor and he told the mayor, is there anywhere
• 45:59
  Speaker 1: else that he can put these bones? These artifacts because
• 46:02
  Speaker 1: we're running out of space in the church. And he
• 46:05
  Speaker 1: was surprised at the mayor's response. The mayor looked at
• 46:08
  Speaker 1: him and said, mind your own efing business, put the
• 46:12
  Speaker 1: artifacts in the church and shut your mouth. So these
• 46:18
  Speaker 1: are the kind of stories I would hear all the
• 46:20
  Speaker 1: time in Sardinia. I mean I could go on and
• 46:22
  Speaker 1: on and on. I talked to one guy that was
• 46:25
  Speaker 1: cy Virgilio, it was his name. He was one hundred
• 46:28
  Speaker 1: years old, very very interesting guy, and SI had been
• 46:34
  Speaker 1: on a site when he was a young man. He
• 46:37
  Speaker 1: told me a couple of stories, but he told me
• 46:39
  Speaker 1: that he was he was. He was working in a
• 46:41
  Speaker 1: vineyard one time and they were excavating. In this they
• 46:45
  Speaker 1: weren't excavating, they were they were tilling the soil to
• 46:48
  Speaker 1: plant a vineyard. And as they're tilling the soil, they
• 46:52
  Speaker 1: start to dig up bones and they realized he's a
• 46:55
  Speaker 1: very large skeletal remains. And they found like twenty of them,
• 47:02
  Speaker 1: and they were laying on top of each other in
• 47:03
  Speaker 1: a crisscross pattern. And so as soon as they started
• 47:07
  Speaker 1: to find these bones, the owner of the vineyard said,
• 47:09
  Speaker 1: stop stop, I have to notify the authorities. So he
• 47:13
  Speaker 1: notifies the authorities. And they came back to the workers
• 47:14
  Speaker 1: and said, you guys have to get out of here.
• 47:16
  Speaker 1: The authorities are coming. You have to leave now. And
• 47:19
  Speaker 1: Si said that everyone left, but he hid in the
• 47:23
  Speaker 1: bushes until everyone had left, and he went back to
• 47:26
  Speaker 1: work in the field because he said, I needed the
• 47:29
  Speaker 1: money and I wanted to actually get paid for the
• 47:31
  Speaker 1: day's wage. So I went back and I worked, and
• 47:33
  Speaker 1: I kept killing the field, and he said, all of
• 47:35
  Speaker 1: a sudden, well, the owner of the field came back
• 47:39
  Speaker 1: and he said, what are you doing here. I told
• 47:41
  Speaker 1: you to leave, and he said, I needed the money,
• 47:43
  Speaker 1: so I'm going to keep working. And the guy said, no, no,
• 47:45
  Speaker 1: I'll pay you double. Just get out of here. And
• 47:46
  Speaker 1: while they're talking, the government guys pull up, and they
• 47:50
  Speaker 1: pull up in some various vans and they come out
• 47:54
  Speaker 1: and they start taking pictures of all the bones and
• 47:59
  Speaker 1: they they take pictures of the bones of these skeleton
• 48:03
  Speaker 1: skeletal remains that are laying in these cross configurations, and
• 48:07
  Speaker 1: then they load them all into the vans and then
• 48:09
  Speaker 1: they went up into the nearby newrage. There was a
• 48:12
  Speaker 1: new rage. They were one of these megalithic towers and
• 48:15
  Speaker 1: they were inside the New Rage looking at something, taking pictures,
• 48:18
  Speaker 1: and so I said that they they sealed up like
• 48:22
  Speaker 1: with cement. They sealed up this, this tunnel, this there's
• 48:27
  Speaker 1: something inside of it. And then they and then they left.
• 48:32
  Speaker 1: And I heard dozens of these kind of stories in Sardinia, dozens.
• 48:36
  Speaker 1: These people have no reason to lie to me. I mean,
• 48:38
  Speaker 1: these are most of these are old timers. They we
• 48:41
  Speaker 1: didn't pay them. They they you know, they live out
• 48:46
  Speaker 1: in the country. If you've ever ever been to Sardinia,
• 48:48
  Speaker 1: it's it's it's it's like going back in time in Italy.
• 48:51
  Speaker 1: These are very simple people who live out in the country.
• 48:53
  Speaker 1: But as I said earlier, the bones that these giants
• 48:56
  Speaker 1: are being found with artifacts.
• 48:59
  Speaker 5: Try to interrupt, I'm looking at a story, but they're
• 49:01
  Speaker 5: they're talking about finding skeletons. They're they're calling them skeletons,
• 49:05
  Speaker 5: they're calling them giants, but they're referring to statues, and.
• 49:09
  Speaker 1: Those are the giants of problem. Those are those are
• 49:15
  Speaker 1: just statues of the giants of Monte Promo.
• 49:19
  Speaker 5: I mean there's news articles, it goes back to the seventies.
• 49:21
  Speaker 1: Yeah, those are just statues. Yeah, those are in the museum.
• 49:24
  Speaker 5: There but they call them skeletons, is the only thing
• 49:26
  Speaker 5: I was saying.
• 49:26
  Speaker 1: So there's like a little no, they're they're they're stone,
• 49:29
  Speaker 1: They're in the museum. They're about seven feet tall. I
• 49:31
  Speaker 1: think some people wonder if those are actually covered skeletons.
• 49:36
  Speaker 5: I saw another article here which said, like they found
• 49:38
  Speaker 5: two giant skulls, but they're talking about the statues.
• 49:45
  Speaker 1: Yeah, those Some people wonder if those statues actually represented
• 49:48
  Speaker 1: the you know, the the anatomical proportions of the giants.
• 49:53
  Speaker 1: I don't know, I don't know that that's the case.
• 49:56
  Speaker 1: But yeah, that's about all you're going to hear.
• 49:57
  Speaker 3: If you just seems that there's not a photo something
• 50:05
  Speaker 3: of all these things, or that some wealthy crazy person
• 50:10
  Speaker 3: didn't get a hold of someone and say, listen, I'll
• 50:13
  Speaker 3: give you ten million dollars, get me a hand. You know,
• 50:16
  Speaker 3: I want to put it in a glass case in
• 50:18
  Speaker 3: my house. We know that they've done that with Egyptian stuff.
• 50:22
  Speaker 3: A lot of Egyptian artifacts have been.
• 50:23
  Speaker 1: Pilford artifacts from a lot of artifacts from Peru, Central
• 50:28
  Speaker 1: South America. Yeah, there's a there's a very robust black market,
• 50:31
  Speaker 1: which is so.
• 50:32
  Speaker 4: Wild, like who are these people that have these things.
• 50:34
  Speaker 1: That's a good question. Well, I was told in Sardinia.
• 50:37
  Speaker 1: They told me that in some cases they that the
• 50:40
  Speaker 1: bones were confiscated. They were gathered up and thrown into
• 50:45
  Speaker 1: vehicles and carted away. Said told me another story where
• 50:51
  Speaker 1: he was digging a foundation for house, and he in
• 50:53
  Speaker 1: an associate and they they came upon a very large
• 50:57
  Speaker 1: sarcophagus and they pried it open, and he said there
• 51:00
  Speaker 1: was a body of a very large person inside and
• 51:02
  Speaker 1: had a black It was wearing some sort of black fabric,
• 51:05
  Speaker 1: and there were coins that were minted from Antoninus Pious,
• 51:14
  Speaker 1: Roman emperor from that time. And they reported there was
• 51:19
  Speaker 1: a local priest and they told the priest that they
• 51:20
  Speaker 1: found a body. Right, we found a dead body. What
• 51:23
  Speaker 1: do we do? And so the priest came over and
• 51:25
  Speaker 1: he looked down to the pit. He said, give me
• 51:27
  Speaker 1: the coins. I gave him the coins. He said, break
• 51:29
  Speaker 1: the bones up and distribute them in the foundation of
• 51:32
  Speaker 1: the house. I mean this was You know, if you
• 51:35
  Speaker 1: went to Sardinia today, I think you would think to yourself, Okay, yeah,
• 51:39
  Speaker 1: I can see how there's no one's taking pictures or
• 51:41
  Speaker 1: anything over here. This is like going way back in
• 51:44
  Speaker 1: time in Italy, especially especially back in the forties, fifties
• 51:49
  Speaker 1: and sixties when most of these things happened. Now, the
• 51:51
  Speaker 1: excavations at Santanastasia happened in the late seventies early eighties,
• 51:55
  Speaker 1: but all these other stories are coming from the sixties, fifties, forties.
• 52:02
  Speaker 1: I mean, there was just so many people who I
• 52:05
  Speaker 1: talked to, you know, random people would tell me as
• 52:08
  Speaker 1: I interviewed them that, oh, yeah, yeah, I was digging
• 52:11
  Speaker 1: in my basement one time, and you know, years ago,
• 52:13
  Speaker 1: and I dug up a hand. It was a hand
• 52:16
  Speaker 1: and five fingers, and you know, it was three times
• 52:19
  Speaker 1: the size of my hand and now fosh fingers. Yeah,
• 52:22
  Speaker 1: that's random. That could just be you know, megafauna something.
• 52:26
  Speaker 1: I don't know how many what a giant sloth hand
• 52:28
  Speaker 1: looks like or whatever. And let me say this, there
• 52:30
  Speaker 1: is no question, none, no question that a lot of
• 52:34
  Speaker 1: the accounts that you hear about giants, not the ones
• 52:37
  Speaker 1: associated with coins and jewelry, but a lot of the
• 52:39
  Speaker 1: accounts that you hear about giants and the skeletons of giants,
• 52:43
  Speaker 1: they do have prosaic explanations. A lot of them do
• 52:46
  Speaker 1: end up being megafauna bones, especially giant sloths and stuff
• 52:50
  Speaker 1: like that. There was a case in Peru, actually was
• 52:52
  Speaker 1: in Ecuador. This is referenced in the chronicles of Peru,
• 52:55
  Speaker 1: that there's a place called Santa Elena and it's a
• 52:59
  Speaker 1: peninsula in in Ecuador. And there's various chroniclers who talk
• 53:06
  Speaker 1: about this, and these are the chroniclers who chronicled the
• 53:08
  Speaker 1: history of the conquest of Peru, the Pisado and the
• 53:13
  Speaker 1: conquistadors who defeated the Inca, and they say that, you know,
• 53:19
  Speaker 1: there was a race of giants, that there's giants came up.
• 53:22
  Speaker 1: The natives told the conquistadors and the chroniclers that according
• 53:26
  Speaker 1: to legend, giants came over the sea on large reed boats.
• 53:31
  Speaker 1: And these giants were they were very very large, and
• 53:34
  Speaker 1: they had they had red hair, and some of them
• 53:38
  Speaker 1: were naked, and some of them were dressed in very
• 53:43
  Speaker 1: primitive clothing. And they landed on the shores of sant Elena,
• 53:47
  Speaker 1: one of the places they landed, and they began to
• 53:49
  Speaker 1: terrorize the local population. The indigenous people hated them because
• 53:53
  Speaker 1: they were they were eating all of the food. I mean,
• 53:56
  Speaker 1: the natives said that they consumed fifty times the amount
• 54:02
  Speaker 1: of food is a regular sized person, and so the
• 54:06
  Speaker 1: natives hated them. They said that the giants built these
• 54:08
  Speaker 1: deep wells. They dug these really deep wells which you
• 54:11
  Speaker 1: could still see. The conquistators said, we could still see
• 54:13
  Speaker 1: them today. They built these houses with very large blocks
• 54:16
  Speaker 1: and huge beams of wood, which were still there when
• 54:18
  Speaker 1: the conquistators are writing about this in the sixteenth and
• 54:23
  Speaker 1: or seventeenth and eighteenth centuries. And according to legend, these
• 54:28
  Speaker 1: giants they were sodomites, and they didn't have any women
• 54:33
  Speaker 1: with them, and they were basically struck down by God.
• 54:37
  Speaker 1: And the natives have that and other legends regarding giants
• 54:42
  Speaker 1: being destroyed by God in various ways. But it turns
• 54:45
  Speaker 1: out that Santa Elena is it's one of the most
• 54:54
  Speaker 1: important sites for megafauna bones, and there's tons of megaphon,
• 54:59
  Speaker 1: especially giant sloths. So you have lots of MegaFon of
• 55:03
  Speaker 1: bones in Santa Lena. And I have no doubt that
• 55:07
  Speaker 1: the the the the natives and the people living during
• 55:14
  Speaker 1: that time in the aftermath of the conquest of the
• 55:18
  Speaker 1: inc Empire thought that those were the bones of giants.
• 55:21
  Speaker 4: Right, because there was no giant sloths alive.
• 55:23
  Speaker 1: At that time. Exactly, and and and in some of
• 55:27
  Speaker 1: the accounts you can see where they're saying in the
• 55:29
  Speaker 1: giants and and you know, we uncovered a giant that
• 55:31
  Speaker 1: was had a deformed body, and I thought, oh, that's
• 55:35
  Speaker 1: probably a It's probably a giant sloth or something. Right, So, yeah,
• 55:38
  Speaker 1: there's a lot of that, unquestionably, and you have to
• 55:41
  Speaker 1: be very careful as a researcher. And in the beginning,
• 55:43
  Speaker 1: I when I when I this was years ago, when
• 55:46
  Speaker 1: I first started out researching this stuff, I made the
• 55:48
  Speaker 1: mistake of of just taking that story literally and believing, oh, yeah,
• 55:54
  Speaker 1: they were digging up bones of giants Santa Lena, until
• 55:56
  Speaker 1: I realized that that is like one of the best
• 55:59
  Speaker 1: places in the world to find megafauna bones. So obviously
• 56:02
  Speaker 1: you have to concede to the facts of reality they're
• 56:05
  Speaker 1: digging up megafona there. However, however, there are other stories
• 56:11
  Speaker 1: that come from the chronicles in Peru where there's no
• 56:15
  Speaker 1: way they're talking about megafauna. And these stories come from
• 56:19
  Speaker 1: the same chroniclers who from which we derive from the
• 56:23
  Speaker 1: same text from which we derive the history of the
• 56:25
  Speaker 1: conquest of Peru. The same guys, guys like Bernabe Cobo
• 56:30
  Speaker 1: and Antonio la Klancha and Piedro Ciesa de Leone, all
• 56:33
  Speaker 1: of the you know, the famous chroniclers, and there's one
• 56:37
  Speaker 1: case in particular I find very intriguing. There's lots of them.
• 56:40
  Speaker 1: By the way, when I was in I was I
• 56:41
  Speaker 1: lived in Peru for ten years at some point, and
• 56:44
  Speaker 1: then later on I went back to Peru and doing
• 56:46
  Speaker 1: various investigations. When I was looking into this, making documentaries
• 56:50
  Speaker 1: about giants, and when I was in Peru, I was
• 56:53
  Speaker 1: in Puno some years ago, probably back in twenty fifteen
• 56:56
  Speaker 1: twenty sixteen. I was in Puno and I met with
• 56:59
  Speaker 1: an archaeology just in Puno. His name was Edmundo de
• 57:03
  Speaker 1: la Vega, very well known archaeologist, and I asked him, Hey,
• 57:09
  Speaker 1: are there any accounts of giants in the historical records here?
• 57:13
  Speaker 1: And he said, yeah, I think there's a couple accounts
• 57:16
  Speaker 1: of giants, And I said, okay. He said, I don't
• 57:20
  Speaker 1: think there's many, but I think there's a couple. Okay. Well,
• 57:23
  Speaker 1: the next morning he comes walking into my hotel in
• 57:26
  Speaker 1: the lobby and he's got a big smile on his
• 57:27
  Speaker 1: face and he hands me a disc and he said,
• 57:31
  Speaker 1: I went after we talked, I went into the archives.
• 57:33
  Speaker 1: They have access to the digital archives, and I did
• 57:36
  Speaker 1: a word search to try and see if I could
• 57:38
  Speaker 1: find some of these accounts of giants. He said, I
• 57:40
  Speaker 1: cannot believe how many references to giants there are in
• 57:44
  Speaker 1: the chronicles, and he handed me the disc and I
• 57:48
  Speaker 1: opened the files, and indeed there were many. Now some
• 57:51
  Speaker 1: of them were in reference to Santelena, but some of
• 57:55
  Speaker 1: them were much more remarkable. For example, give you one
• 57:57
  Speaker 1: example here, there was a Jesuit priest, a Pablo Jose Ariaga,
• 58:05
  Speaker 1: who was going around Peru and he wrote a book
• 58:08
  Speaker 1: called The Extirpation of Idolatry in Peru. I think it
• 58:11
  Speaker 1: was sixteen oh two, and he's he's going around Peru
• 58:16
  Speaker 1: with the what are called which were called the bi Citaloes,
• 58:20
  Speaker 1: who were these were officials, They were clergymen that were
• 58:26
  Speaker 1: dispatched to Peru who were extirpating idolatry. These were the
• 58:31
  Speaker 1: They were very fair of these people, these bc thalois,
• 58:34
  Speaker 1: these official idolatry hunters, basically because they were brutal. And
• 58:40
  Speaker 1: what they would do is they would go with the
• 58:42
  Speaker 1: priests into the villages. They would find out what are
• 58:45
  Speaker 1: the natives worshiping? And then they would destroy it and
• 58:48
  Speaker 1: then force convert the population the population, and they chronicled
• 58:53
  Speaker 1: everything they they everything they found because they had to.
• 58:56
  Speaker 1: This was an official assignment, right, so they chronicle everything
• 58:58
  Speaker 1: that they find. This village. They're going to this village,
• 59:01
  Speaker 1: they're worshiping this We broke it into pieces, or we
• 59:04
  Speaker 1: burned it in the fire. And these are official records.
• 59:09
  Speaker 1: And among these records, and this is this comes from
• 59:11
  Speaker 1: as they said, Pablo Jose Ariaga, but also later on
• 59:14
  Speaker 1: Antonio la Klancha, who is a Augustinian monk. It enlarges
• 59:19
  Speaker 1: the story. He expands on the story using other documents,
• 59:23
  Speaker 1: including including Ariaga's version, and the story goes that Ariaga
• 59:33
  Speaker 1: and the Bis tales they went into the village and
• 59:36
  Speaker 1: they were led. They inquired what are you worshiping? Where
• 59:39
  Speaker 1: are your gods? And the indigenous people of Peru, they
• 59:45
  Speaker 1: they worshiped wakas. And the waka could be anything. It
• 59:48
  Speaker 1: could be an idol, it could be a mountain, it
• 59:50
  Speaker 1: could be a hill. It was just walk Us. Even
• 59:53
  Speaker 1: to this day they call him walk Us. And so
• 59:55
  Speaker 1: they inquired, where are you walk Us? And they led
• 59:57
  Speaker 1: them to the other side of the village where they're
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 1: a large cave, and they go into the cave and
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 1: when they went in there they record that there were
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 1: many dead gentiles and among them were two giants dressed
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 1: in coombe and they were enshrined. Now that's very interesting.
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 1: Comby coombe is a very fine fabric. That is, it
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 1: was used exclusively by the Inco nobility. In fact, it
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 1: was illegal for anyone else to wear coombe. Only the
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 1: Inco nobility could wear coombe. It's very fine fabric, so
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 1: it's very ceremonial and it belongs by law to the
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 1: noble class. So these indigenous people, they can't wear coombe.
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 1: But yet they dressed these two and it said that
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 1: the bodies were well preserved, almost like mummified. They dressed
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 1: these two giants in coombe and they were enshrined in
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 1: this tomb. And so when they realized that they were
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 1: worshiping these giants, these dead giants, and the natives told
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 1: them that these were their ancestors, these were their progenitors.
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 1: That's what they told the the bcthes of Idolatry. They
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 1: took the bodies out of the tomb and they burned
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 1: them in the village. Now that's very interesting to me
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 1: because you have two bodies, not just skeletal remains, bodies
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 1: of giants decayed with time, but still quite well preserved,
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 1: dressed in kombe. This doesn't sound like a giant sloth
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 1: to me. This doesn't sound like a mastodon. This is
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 1: something else, and it corresponds to all the legends among
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 1: the natives there in Peru regarding the existence of giants
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 1: who were their progenitors. So those are just those are
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 1: some historical details of historical counts that I find very intriguing.
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 3: Well, there's so many of them, that's what's we And
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 3: there's also this very bizarre desire that people have of
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 3: destroying things from the past. Yeah, we find that with
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 3: I mean, the Taliban did that. You know, There's there's
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 3: a bunch of different incredible archaeological sites that were destroyed
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 3: by past civilizations. We just talked the other day about
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 3: the Kylosa Temple in India about how they tried to
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 3: destroy that for a couple of years. They sent a
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 3: thousand people. They could barely put a dent in it.
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 1: Who was trying to destroy that?
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 5: Oh?
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 4: Who was it, Jamie. Do you remember some uh.
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 1: Or something.
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 3: Who they came upon this temple that they didn't like
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 3: that someone else had built it, and someone else owned it,
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 3: and someone else had constructed it. You know the Kylosa
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 3: temple that was built entirely out of stone.
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 1: Yeah, the one that was built like literally carved into
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 1: the ground.
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 3: In the side of the mountain. Yea emperor say that,
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 3: you could say, you're really good with working. What's his
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 3: name looks like to me? I've never heard. What's the
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 3: second one?
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 4: R Rang?
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 1: I don't know.
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 3: Arang Zeb historical figure widely reported to have ordered the
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 3: destruction of the Kilossa Temple in sixteen eighty two. However,
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 3: his mission failed because the monolithic temple was carved top
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 3: down from a single solid volcanic rock. As army could
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 3: only disfigure some sculptures before giving up.
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 1: Oh, this was in sixteen eighty two.
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 3: Yeah, But it's just wild that people have always had
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 3: this inclination to destroy old, fascinating things.
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's right, especially you find this what's really sad.
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 1: As in Central America, among the Aztec the Maya, there
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 1: were many codexes of the Aztec and the Maya that
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 1: were intentionally destroyed by by the Catholic Church, by various
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 1: agents of the Catholic Church, would intentially destroy these codexes.
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 1: Could you imagine the information that was stored in those things?
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 3: Well, how about the Library of Alexandria. Yeah, and who
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 3: knows what was in there? Yea, and they burnt that
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 3: several times. It's there's The historical accounts in North America
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 3: are interesting because there's actual newspaper stories from God was it?
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 3: Like I believe it's the eighteen hundreds. Do you know
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 3: what I'm talking about?
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 1: Yeah, there are all kinds of newspaper stories about giants and.
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 3: The newspaper stories about giant skeletons that have been discovered
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 3: and excavated.
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 1: Yes, from the mid eighteen hundreds to the early nineteen.
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 3: Hundreds, and somehow or another, they all relate to the Smithsonia.
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 1: Most of them are associated with the mounds and the
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 1: mound builders. There were thousands of mounds east of the Mississippi.
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 1: I mean, people don't realize how many of these mounds
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 1: there were. And these are you know, the monumental mounds
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 1: and earthworks. Some of them still stand today. Not all
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 1: of them are burial mounds. You have different kinds of mounds.
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 1: Some of them are effigy, some of them are platform mounds,
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 1: but many of them are burial mounds. And many of
• 1:04:58
  Speaker 1: them contain contained very prosaic things like the bones of
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 1: native people. But some of them were said to have
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 1: contained some very very interesting artifacts, and among those artifacts
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 1: were the bones of giants, according to the newspaper reports.
• 1:05:13
  Speaker 1: Now there's a lot of them from the eighteen hundreds. Yeah,
• 1:05:19
  Speaker 1: I mean there's ten feet high, eighteen seventy two. Yes,
• 1:05:22
  Speaker 1: especially in the latter part of the eighteen hundreds.
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 4: How tall was it, Jimmy, I mean, it's just it's a.
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 3: Giant, over ten feet high, according to Lewis and Richard
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 3: Collins History History of Kentucky.
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 1: Now, the contention is, of course, that that these are
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 1: wildly exaggerated, and that the newspapers were engaging in hyperbole.
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 1: And that's true to some extent. I have no problem
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 1: with that. I think that's hoaxes. I've brought some of
• 1:05:49
  Speaker 1: them were hoaxes, A lot of hoaxes. Sure, some of
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 1: them were hoaxes. And then and then, you know, these
• 1:05:53
  Speaker 1: are the periodicals in the United States at the time,
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 1: we're very competitive.
• 1:05:56
  Speaker 4: What is that photos? That bullshit? That far left photo?
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 1: Now, that far left one, that one was actually that's
• 1:06:03
  Speaker 1: a disputed one. Some people believe that one is in fact,
• 1:06:07
  Speaker 1: was proven a hoax. Other people think there might be
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 1: a conspiracy that, in fact, it wasn't a hoax because
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 1: it was actually on display for a while. I don't know.
• 1:06:16
  Speaker 1: I don't think there's any way to know. But so
• 1:06:20
  Speaker 1: many articles during that time we're discussing these astounding discoveries
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 1: of the bones of giants and mounds. In fact, I
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 1: don't know if you're aware, but even it appears that
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 1: even Abraham Lincoln references this in some lecture notes. He
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 1: was waxing poetically in some lecture notes about Niagara Falls,
• 1:06:41
  Speaker 1: and he says, in those notes you can still read
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 1: them today. You can put them up and read them now.
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 1: He says, the eyes of that extinct species of giants
• 1:06:49
  Speaker 1: whose bones fill the mounds of America have gazed upon
• 1:06:53
  Speaker 1: Niagara as ours do. Now. Those are from Lincoln's lecture notes.
• 1:06:57
  Speaker 1: I believe it's eighteen forty five the date of those.
• 1:07:00
  Speaker 4: Oh, I got to read that.
• 1:07:01
  Speaker 1: Now here's the contention. Okay, this is interesting because here's
• 1:07:04
  Speaker 1: the contention. The contention is that he was talking about
• 1:07:07
  Speaker 1: mastadons and mammoths megafauna. That's what people say, because he
• 1:07:13
  Speaker 1: does mention Macedon and the mammoth later on in the lecture.
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 1: In the speech, however, what they won't tell you is
• 1:07:24
  Speaker 1: before he mentions that he's talking, he's in a biblical context,
• 1:07:28
  Speaker 1: and he's talking about He references Jesus and Moses and
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 1: Adam right before he references the giants whose bones are
• 1:07:37
  Speaker 1: found in the mounds of America.
• 1:07:39
  Speaker 3: See, so, the eyes of that species of extinct giants
• 1:07:44
  Speaker 3: whose bones filled the mounds of America have gazed upon
• 1:07:47
  Speaker 3: Niagara as ours do now, contemporary with the whole race
• 1:07:51
  Speaker 3: of men older than the first man. Niagara is strong
• 1:07:56
  Speaker 3: and fresh today as ten thousand years ago. The mammoth
• 1:08:01
  Speaker 3: and Macedon now so long dead that fragments of their
• 1:08:05
  Speaker 3: monstrous bones alone testify that they ever lived, have gazed upon,
• 1:08:10
  Speaker 3: gazed on Niagara in that long, long time, never still
• 1:08:15
  Speaker 3: for a single moment, never dried, never froze, never slept,
• 1:08:18
  Speaker 3: never rested.
• 1:08:19
  Speaker 4: That seems like he's talking about Mastadon.
• 1:08:21
  Speaker 5: Very well, very well, could be talking about the thousands
• 1:08:24
  Speaker 5: of miles of water that they all would have seen.
• 1:08:28
  Speaker 1: Well, he could be talking about masdons and mammos, but
• 1:08:30
  Speaker 1: look what he references before he gets to the giants,
• 1:08:33
  Speaker 1: Christ and Moses. Where's that a Adam?
• 1:08:35
  Speaker 5: He says, there's still more that calls up an indefinite pass.
• 1:08:38
  Speaker 5: When Columbus first sought this continent, when Christ suffered on
• 1:08:40
  Speaker 5: the cross, and Moses led Israel through the Red Sea. Nay,
• 1:08:44
  Speaker 5: even when Adam was made. And he's talking, you know,
• 1:08:47
  Speaker 5: you know.
• 1:08:48
  Speaker 3: So he came from the hand of his maker. Now
• 1:08:52
  Speaker 3: niagra was roaring here the eyes of that species of
• 1:08:56
  Speaker 3: extinct giants whose bones filled the mounds of America. That's
• 1:09:00
  Speaker 3: what's weird. Yeah, now bones filled the mounds of America.
• 1:09:03
  Speaker 1: So here's the question. Did were the mounds of America
• 1:09:08
  Speaker 1: filled with the bones of masadons and giant sloths?
• 1:09:11
  Speaker 4: And no, no, they weren't.
• 1:09:12
  Speaker 1: Now, there have been some fragments of bones from mammoths
• 1:09:16
  Speaker 1: and massadons found in the mounds, that's true. They were.
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 1: They look to be ritual pieces that people were buried with,
• 1:09:25
  Speaker 1: that were used for ceremonial purposes or something like that.
• 1:09:28
  Speaker 1: Maybe some of them were carved ornately but like people
• 1:09:31
  Speaker 1: weren't digging up the skeletons of giant sloths and macedons
• 1:09:34
  Speaker 1: and mammoths and the mounds routinely, that it was very rare.
• 1:09:37
  Speaker 3: But it seems like if you found dead giants in
• 1:09:41
  Speaker 3: the mounds that it would be more specific, you would
• 1:09:45
  Speaker 3: talk about it more than just that.
• 1:09:47
  Speaker 1: I don't know.
• 1:09:48
  Speaker 4: I don't know.
• 1:09:49
  Speaker 1: The references is ambiguous, so to wonder is he talking
• 1:09:53
  Speaker 1: about dead giants in the biblical context, which he's clearly
• 1:09:57
  Speaker 1: in a biblical context before he gets it, or is
• 1:10:00
  Speaker 1: he talking about macedons?
• 1:10:02
  Speaker 3: And the issue is that there are giants in the.
• 1:10:03
  Speaker 1: Bible, and also that when he wrote, when he pinned
• 1:10:07
  Speaker 1: this these lecture notes, there were newspaper articles circulating in
• 1:10:10
  Speaker 1: the United States announcing the discovery of the bones of
• 1:10:13
  Speaker 1: giants in the mountains. So it's it's it's up for debate.
• 1:10:17
  Speaker 1: I don't know the answer.
• 1:10:18
  Speaker 3: There's got to be somebody who works at the Smithsonian.
• 1:10:22
  Speaker 4: That is sick of this.
• 1:10:25
  Speaker 3: Yeah, there's gotta be some whistleblower that just take your
• 1:10:32
  Speaker 3: fucking camera phone, I can't tell there and filmed something.
• 1:10:37
  Speaker 1: Man.
• 1:10:37
  Speaker 3: It just it seems like if there really are some
• 1:10:42
  Speaker 3: remnants of some of these things.
• 1:10:46
  Speaker 4: And then the thing that's interesting is.
• 1:10:48
  Speaker 3: You know what is the museum that John Reeves has
• 1:10:54
  Speaker 3: issue with?
• 1:10:56
  Speaker 5: The National American History Museum.
• 1:10:58
  Speaker 1: I think.
• 1:11:00
  Speaker 5: I know it's in Manhattan.
• 1:11:01
  Speaker 1: I don't know.
• 1:11:03
  Speaker 3: So my friend John Reeves, are you aware of him?
• 1:11:05
  Speaker 3: He owns the Boneyard in Alaska, Okay. So this is
• 1:11:11
  Speaker 3: this area of a lot. John's a miner and he
• 1:11:15
  Speaker 3: museum in natural history. So he's a miner and he
• 1:11:19
  Speaker 3: bought this land in Alaska and they're doing gold mining
• 1:11:23
  Speaker 3: and they're blasting into the permafrost with hoses, and they
• 1:11:27
  Speaker 3: have found an enormous amount of mammoths, cave bears, animals
• 1:11:34
  Speaker 3: that weren't even supposed to be living in Alaska at
• 1:11:37
  Speaker 3: the time.
• 1:11:37
  Speaker 4: So now they have to.
• 1:11:38
  Speaker 3: Like reformulate their idea of what the population of these
• 1:11:44
  Speaker 3: lands were at this time. But also a layer of
• 1:11:47
  Speaker 3: like dark carbon that indicates there was some sort of
• 1:11:50
  Speaker 3: an event. All of this is sub ten thousand years ago,
• 1:11:54
  Speaker 3: so he's finding I mean, he has warehouses. This is like,
• 1:11:58
  Speaker 3: fully go to the bone Yard Instagram, please, he has
• 1:12:03
  Speaker 3: warehouses of this stuff that he's pulled out of the ground.
• 1:12:07
  Speaker 3: He won't let anyone take it, because the Museum of
• 1:12:09
  Speaker 3: Natural History has some of this stuff from the previous owners.
• 1:12:13
  Speaker 3: They have tons of it, and they would not release
• 1:12:16
  Speaker 3: it to him even though it's his property. So this
• 1:12:19
  Speaker 3: is I mean, he's finding enormous mastadon skeletons, mammoth tusks.
• 1:12:25
  Speaker 3: I mean they find tons of them, tons. I mean,
• 1:12:29
  Speaker 3: he has warehouses, he built a scientific research facility there,
• 1:12:33
  Speaker 3: and he's like, people can come here and study it,
• 1:12:35
  Speaker 3: but I'm not letting any post alone with there.
• 1:12:37
  Speaker 4: Shout out to post.
• 1:12:39
  Speaker 3: Masted on teeth and bones. He actually gave me this.
• 1:12:43
  Speaker 3: This is a mammoth tooth. That they take some of
• 1:12:47
  Speaker 3: these things and they carve artwork into it, which to me.
• 1:12:50
  Speaker 4: The artwork is kind of fucked. It's kind of weird
• 1:12:52
  Speaker 4: that they.
• 1:12:53
  Speaker 3: Do that because it's this is like a petrified a molar.
• 1:12:58
  Speaker 1: Rather Wow, that really cool?
• 1:13:00
  Speaker 4: Yeah, amazing. Yeah.
• 1:13:03
  Speaker 3: So this is all from his property, So I mean.
• 1:13:06
  Speaker 1: Well, why why is there such a distribution of megafauna
• 1:13:10
  Speaker 1: bones there.
• 1:13:11
  Speaker 3: His belief is that there was some sort of a
• 1:13:14
  Speaker 3: mass extinction event that happened whatever year it was. You know,
• 1:13:19
  Speaker 3: that coincides with the younger Dry's impact theory. And he
• 1:13:23
  Speaker 3: and when and when he's had some of these things
• 1:13:26
  Speaker 3: tested and dated, they do their posts, they're around this time,
• 1:13:32
  Speaker 3: and he thinks that there was some sort of a
• 1:13:34
  Speaker 3: mass extinction event and the flooding led them all to
• 1:13:39
  Speaker 3: be washed away into this one very particular area because
• 1:13:43
  Speaker 3: it's a deep concentration of these bones, too many that
• 1:13:46
  Speaker 3: seem to have died around the same time and all preserved.
• 1:13:50
  Speaker 3: So it seems like, because they're preserved in the permafrost,
• 1:13:53
  Speaker 3: that this is something that happened, was an enormous event.
• 1:13:57
  Speaker 3: The bodies are washed down into this one area, and
• 1:14:00
  Speaker 3: because of the landscape, because of the contours of the land,
• 1:14:03
  Speaker 3: they're collected into this one area. And it's not a
• 1:14:07
  Speaker 3: big place. I think it's four to six acres that
• 1:14:09
  Speaker 3: he's pulling most of these things out of, and there's
• 1:14:11
  Speaker 3: several other places that he's now finding things in as well.
• 1:14:16
  Speaker 1: You know, I find really fascinating are the specimens that
• 1:14:19
  Speaker 1: they find of mammoth and mastodon that are frozen solid
• 1:14:23
  Speaker 1: with chewing food.
• 1:14:24
  Speaker 3: Yeah, with broken legs. Sometimes, right, there's some sort of
• 1:14:29
  Speaker 3: an impact, some massive shock wave that kills them all instantly.
• 1:14:33
  Speaker 1: Yeah, instantly freezes them. Yeah, and I think one of
• 1:14:37
  Speaker 1: the hypotheses that I've heard is that, you know, you had,
• 1:14:42
  Speaker 1: referencing the younger Driest impact event, you had a potentially
• 1:14:46
  Speaker 1: a comet or comets that were ripping through the atmosphere
• 1:14:49
  Speaker 1: at such high rates of speed that they were pulling
• 1:14:51
  Speaker 1: in the vacuum of space that sub zero temperature air
• 1:14:55
  Speaker 1: and like blasting it down on the Earth. Yes, and
• 1:14:58
  Speaker 1: that that air was so cold it would instantly freeze
• 1:15:01
  Speaker 1: whatever was in its path. You know, it's these comments
• 1:15:04
  Speaker 1: are breaking through the atmosphere. I don't know if that's true,
• 1:15:06
  Speaker 1: but it's it's very difficult to explain how you can
• 1:15:09
  Speaker 1: how you can flash freeze something like that, right, And
• 1:15:12
  Speaker 1: then in other parts of the Earth, you have apparent
• 1:15:14
  Speaker 1: biomass burning. So you have you have mastodons over here
• 1:15:18
  Speaker 1: freezing right solid. You have other MegaFon over here that
• 1:15:21
  Speaker 1: were clearly swept up in a flood. You have other
• 1:15:24
  Speaker 1: MegaFon and other kinds of extinct plants and stuff that
• 1:15:27
  Speaker 1: I have evidence of burning, biomass burning. So it's like
• 1:15:31
  Speaker 1: some sort of absolutely unimaginable cataclysm. Yes, that that struck
• 1:15:39
  Speaker 1: planet Earth at some time circle eleven thousand BC, and.
• 1:15:42
  Speaker 3: It seems like there's a lot of physical evidence in
• 1:15:45
  Speaker 3: terms of aridium and soil samples. It seems it's very
• 1:15:49
  Speaker 3: common in space, very rare on Earth. Layers of iridium
• 1:15:52
  Speaker 3: and then the dark carbon layers of burnt material. It
• 1:15:56
  Speaker 3: seems there was an incredible fire, so we were probably
• 1:15:59
  Speaker 3: hit by asteroids. They also find that nuclear glass, the
• 1:16:03
  Speaker 3: same stuff that they found during the Trinity explosion. They
• 1:16:06
  Speaker 3: find little particles of that everywhere. That seems to indicate
• 1:16:09
  Speaker 3: a huge impact that happened. And this is what Randall
• 1:16:13
  Speaker 3: Carlson also believes. The same timeline was what caused the
• 1:16:18
  Speaker 3: melting of the ice layer over North America and created
• 1:16:21
  Speaker 3: the Great Lakes and caused the massive flooding and the
• 1:16:27
  Speaker 3: land features that you see from space. If you look
• 1:16:29
  Speaker 3: down from satellite imagery, it clearly looks like there was
• 1:16:33
  Speaker 3: just immense amounts of water that washed over the land.
• 1:16:36
  Speaker 1: Yeah and Yeah, Randall talks a lot about the impact
• 1:16:41
  Speaker 1: of those comets on the ice sheets, the Laurentide ice sheet,
• 1:16:44
  Speaker 1: for example, two miles thick. What happens when you slam
• 1:16:47
  Speaker 1: a comet into a two mile thick ice.
• 1:16:49
  Speaker 3: Sheet the size of a city.
• 1:16:52
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you superheat it, then you have all the ejecta
• 1:16:54
  Speaker 1: coming off of it, uh huh, and landing in forest
• 1:16:57
  Speaker 1: and igniting the forest.
• 1:16:59
  Speaker 3: And of course, if you have advanced civilizations at the time,
• 1:17:02
  Speaker 3: which I believe they did, you have a mass extinction event.
• 1:17:06
  Speaker 1: Everything island, nothing left.
• 1:17:08
  Speaker 3: A few people survive somewhere in the world, and it
• 1:17:11
  Speaker 3: takes thousands of years for them to reinvent.
• 1:17:13
  Speaker 1: Civilization, especially the civilizations living on in the coastal areas,
• 1:17:17
  Speaker 1: the banks of rivers where a lot of civilizations are.
• 1:17:20
  Speaker 1: They're gone, right, I mean they're gone.
• 1:17:22
  Speaker 4: They're gone.
• 1:17:22
  Speaker 3: And not only that, the level of the ocean rises significantly,
• 1:17:27
  Speaker 3: and that's all documented fact, historically accepted everyone, you know, geologists, archaeolosis.
• 1:17:34
  Speaker 3: Everyone accepts that this is something that happened. And then
• 1:17:37
  Speaker 3: that the ice sheets in North America were a mile
• 1:17:40
  Speaker 3: two miles high. Three quarters of the entire continent covered
• 1:17:44
  Speaker 3: with ice recently. In terms of like the Earth, when
• 1:17:49
  Speaker 3: you're going back eleven and twelve thousand years ago, that's
• 1:17:52
  Speaker 3: not a long time ago, and this whole thing covered
• 1:17:55
  Speaker 3: in ice. And then you also have the almost instantaneous
• 1:17:59
  Speaker 3: extinction of sixty five percent of all North American megafauna,
• 1:18:02
  Speaker 3: which is kind of crazy, Yeah, kind of crazy.
• 1:18:05
  Speaker 4: What caused that.
• 1:18:06
  Speaker 1: Which some anthropologists still maintained today, that that that that's
• 1:18:10
  Speaker 1: because the humans people kill them, Yes, the hunted them
• 1:18:13
  Speaker 1: into extinction. It's absolutely absurd. With it's absolutely.
• 1:18:18
  Speaker 3: Absurd spears and add addles. I mean, we don't even
• 1:18:21
  Speaker 3: know if they had bows and arrows yet, right.
• 1:18:23
  Speaker 1: It's just it's clearly something catastrophic happened in the in
• 1:18:29
  Speaker 1: the relatively recent past. Yes, and this is as I said,
• 1:18:32
  Speaker 1: it's the same with giants. You know, you have this
• 1:18:34
  Speaker 1: ubiquitous testimony about giants. Well, concurrent with that, you have
• 1:18:38
  Speaker 1: this ubiquitous testimony about cataclysm.
• 1:18:40
  Speaker 3: Have you seen the work that there's this Italian guy.
• 1:18:43
  Speaker 3: Will send you the article, Jamie. There's this Italian guy
• 1:18:46
  Speaker 3: that is proposing that the I'll send it to Jamie,
• 1:18:52
  Speaker 3: that there's a way of measuring the erosion on the
• 1:18:59
  Speaker 3: outside of the pyramids that he believes indicates they are
• 1:19:02
  Speaker 3: at least ten thousand years older.
• 1:19:04
  Speaker 4: Than we believe so far.
• 1:19:06
  Speaker 3: I'll send this to you, Jamie. But this is you know,
• 1:19:15
  Speaker 3: obviously disputeds old, super controversial. At least he's talking about
• 1:19:21
  Speaker 3: the erosion on the granite and that there's by studying
• 1:19:26
  Speaker 3: erosion and by studying the timeline of erosion. And this
• 1:19:32
  Speaker 3: is something that Ban van kirkwork has talked about when
• 1:19:35
  Speaker 3: you look at the older, non updated versions of some
• 1:19:40
  Speaker 3: of the sites in Egypt where it's clear that there
• 1:19:43
  Speaker 3: was original stone and then there was a stone that
• 1:19:45
  Speaker 3: was built on top of that. Okay, So here's the article.
• 1:19:49
  Speaker 3: So the heading of the article, please, so it says,
• 1:19:52
  Speaker 3: could the Great Pyramid be far older than we thought?
• 1:19:54
  Speaker 3: A new study says yes. And if you go to
• 1:19:57
  Speaker 3: it down there, what he's saying is, so this is
• 1:20:00
  Speaker 3: from January of twenty twenty six, go up a little
• 1:20:03
  Speaker 3: bit right there, bigger. A paper release to January twenty
• 1:20:07
  Speaker 3: twenty six, Italian engineer Alberto Donini presents an unconventional dating
• 1:20:13
  Speaker 3: approach known as the relative erosion method, but she argues
• 1:20:16
  Speaker 3: may challenge the long accepted chronology placed in the construction
• 1:20:19
  Speaker 3: of the pyramidve of Cufu around twenty five hundred and
• 1:20:22
  Speaker 3: sixty BC. According to Donnini's calculations, erosion patterns at the
• 1:20:27
  Speaker 3: pyramid's base could suggest a construction date tens of thousands
• 1:20:30
  Speaker 3: of years earlier, potentially as far back as the late
• 1:20:34
  Speaker 3: Paleolithic period. The claim, if substantiated, would have far reaching
• 1:20:38
  Speaker 3: implications for the history of ancient Egypt and early civilization.
• 1:20:42
  Speaker 3: Yet it also raises immediate questions about methodology, assumptions, and
• 1:20:46
  Speaker 3: how such results could be interpreted within archaeological science. Well,
• 1:20:49
  Speaker 3: I don't think archaeology is a science. I just I
• 1:20:53
  Speaker 3: think what archaeology is is they're looking at stuff and
• 1:20:56
  Speaker 3: they're guessing, and they're using science, and then they're also
• 1:20:59
  Speaker 3: they have timelines that they established that they're very reluctant
• 1:21:03
  Speaker 3: to let go of. And we've seen this with the
• 1:21:06
  Speaker 3: dating of go Beckley Tepe. We've seen this with the
• 1:21:09
  Speaker 3: erosion around the tempo of the Sphinx. They're very reluctant.
• 1:21:14
  Speaker 1: Well, simultaneously disregarding the ubiquitous testimony of our ancient antecedents
• 1:21:21
  Speaker 1: who say that their ancestors were far greater than them.
• 1:21:24
  Speaker 3: Look at this right here. Other points yield far higher value.
• 1:21:28
  Speaker 3: Several measurements suggest erosion equivalent to twenty thousand to more
• 1:21:32
  Speaker 3: than forty thousand years of exposure, while the arithmatic mean
• 1:21:37
  Speaker 3: of all twelve points produces a result of approximately twenty
• 1:21:41
  Speaker 3: four nine hundred years before present. Corresponding to roughly twenty
• 1:21:45
  Speaker 3: two thousand, nine hundred BC. I mean, holy shit if
• 1:21:49
  Speaker 3: that's accurate. And then you have also Filipo Biondi's work
• 1:21:54
  Speaker 3: where they're looking at the radio toomography below the pyramids
• 1:21:58
  Speaker 3: and they have these structures that go one point two
• 1:22:00
  Speaker 3: kilometers down into the earth.
• 1:22:02
  Speaker 1: Did you see my uh? I did an interview on
• 1:22:06
  Speaker 1: I made an appearance on Pierce Morgan's show, and Piers
• 1:22:10
  Speaker 1: had on Howis Alas and I didn't know that I
• 1:22:14
  Speaker 1: was going to be interacting with Howiesa or sorry, Zahi
• 1:22:19
  Speaker 1: was the other way around. I didn't know that I
• 1:22:23
  Speaker 1: was going to be interacting with him. I was just
• 1:22:25
  Speaker 1: told that they wanted me to come on and talk
• 1:22:26
  Speaker 1: about pyramids and stuff.
• 1:22:28
  Speaker 4: But then Piers Pierce loves a good scramble.
• 1:22:30
  Speaker 1: Yeah, he loves, he loves so he set me up like,
• 1:22:34
  Speaker 1: here's your opportunity to say whatever you want. You know,
• 1:22:36
  Speaker 1: it's me and Jimmy Corsetti and some other people. Here's
• 1:22:39
  Speaker 1: your opportunity to ask Zahi whatever you want. And I'm
• 1:22:42
  Speaker 1: thinking to myself, I don't I don't really have anything
• 1:22:45
  Speaker 1: to ask this guy. But then it occurred to me,
• 1:22:47
  Speaker 1: I actually have. Me and my team are in possession
• 1:22:50
  Speaker 1: of some state of the art ground penetrating radar technology
• 1:22:53
  Speaker 1: that we used to great effect in Peru. And so
• 1:22:56
  Speaker 1: I'm thinking about this discovery, this alleged these alleged mega
• 1:23:00
  Speaker 1: structures under the pyramids, and I'm thinking, you know, it
• 1:23:03
  Speaker 1: wouldn't be that difficult. You don't have to you don't
• 1:23:05
  Speaker 1: have to detect them all the way down. You just
• 1:23:07
  Speaker 1: have to verify that there's something there, right, And so
• 1:23:12
  Speaker 1: I posited this to Zahi, and you know, I told them, look,
• 1:23:19
  Speaker 1: I've got this equipment, would you facilitate us coming down there?
• 1:23:22
  Speaker 1: And and and it's it's it operates off of a
• 1:23:24
  Speaker 1: drone platform, so you don't you don't have to drag it.
• 1:23:27
  Speaker 1: It's it's a fly. You can fly it around the pyramid.
• 1:23:31
  Speaker 1: You don't have to touch the pyramid. You just fly
• 1:23:32
  Speaker 1: it or in the vicinity of the pyramids and see
• 1:23:35
  Speaker 1: if you can detect something. I mean, there's there's no
• 1:23:39
  Speaker 1: there's you know, you would do no injury to any
• 1:23:42
  Speaker 1: sort of any artifacts there. And he seemed like he
• 1:23:46
  Speaker 1: was very open to the idea, you know, on camera
• 1:23:48
  Speaker 1: and said that basically told peers, get your people in
• 1:23:52
  Speaker 1: contact with him so that, you know, give him my
• 1:23:54
  Speaker 1: information so I can reach out to him. Of course,
• 1:23:57
  Speaker 1: that never happened, so it would not be that difficult
• 1:24:00
  Speaker 1: to verify that. And that's why I'm wondering why you
• 1:24:03
  Speaker 1: don't have to dig right.
• 1:24:05
  Speaker 3: Why wouldn't you want as much exploration at the most
• 1:24:08
  Speaker 3: spectacular site that human beings have ever erected on the
• 1:24:13
  Speaker 3: face of the earth that has a very controversial timeline,
• 1:24:16
  Speaker 3: that's right, I mean, even the conventional timeline super controversial,
• 1:24:20
  Speaker 3: because like, how the fuck did they do it? Even
• 1:24:22
  Speaker 3: if you just accept that it's twenty five hundred BC, Okay, great?
• 1:24:26
  Speaker 4: How I mean?
• 1:24:28
  Speaker 3: I mean, I don't know why it being older is
• 1:24:31
  Speaker 3: more controversial because it's still the same because people the same.
• 1:24:35
  Speaker 3: It's human beings that lived a long time ago, that's
• 1:24:39
  Speaker 3: all we're talking about. But why are they sticking to
• 1:24:41
  Speaker 3: twenty five hundred PC's because that they've always said that
• 1:24:44
  Speaker 3: they know, they've always said with great certainty and from
• 1:24:48
  Speaker 3: a position of authority, that this is what we know.
• 1:24:51
  Speaker 3: We know Kufu did this, we know this guy did this,
• 1:24:54
  Speaker 3: but you don't really know. And there's also an incredible
• 1:24:57
  Speaker 3: amount of evidence that these guys wrote their name on
• 1:25:00
  Speaker 3: everything when they were in power. They like to put
• 1:25:04
  Speaker 3: their names on everything.
• 1:25:05
  Speaker 1: Or recarve the head of the sphinx.
• 1:25:07
  Speaker 3: Yeah, well that's definitely true. Yeah, it's definitely different. There's
• 1:25:11
  Speaker 3: some controversially about that as well, because there's layers of
• 1:25:13
  Speaker 3: stone that have different gradients, a different hardness, and there
• 1:25:17
  Speaker 3: are different types of stone and the face. The controversy
• 1:25:22
  Speaker 3: is that the face is like a harder stone and
• 1:25:24
  Speaker 3: it wouldn't erode as quickly. The problem with that is
• 1:25:28
  Speaker 3: like the stuff that's eroded for a long period in
• 1:25:31
  Speaker 3: history was covered in sand and we know that for afect,
• 1:25:35
  Speaker 3: so there was no erosion going on during that period
• 1:25:37
  Speaker 3: of time. Yet it's massively more eroded than the face.
• 1:25:40
  Speaker 1: Well, I think that one of the fundamental problems that
• 1:25:42
  Speaker 1: we have as as modern Westerners looking at this stuff
• 1:25:47
  Speaker 1: is we have an inversion of the timeline of history.
• 1:25:50
  Speaker 1: When we look at the timeline of history, we generally
• 1:25:54
  Speaker 1: view our antecedents as like cavemen. Yeah, these are very
• 1:25:59
  Speaker 1: ignorant people. They're basically, you know, chimpanzees with better brains,
• 1:26:04
  Speaker 1: and as we progress through the timeline of history, were
• 1:26:06
  Speaker 1: becoming increasingly more intelligent, increasingly more capable of building, and
• 1:26:12
  Speaker 1: of building these monuments and technology and so forth. So
• 1:26:15
  Speaker 1: we see ourselves as the pinnacle of the human species,
• 1:26:20
  Speaker 1: like we're the smartest, we're the greatest. That's not the
• 1:26:23
  Speaker 1: way that the ancients viewed the antidiluvian world. That's not
• 1:26:26
  Speaker 1: the way that they view their antecedents. They see the
• 1:26:29
  Speaker 1: For them, it was the inverse. For them, they were
• 1:26:33
  Speaker 1: always trying to recover the glory of the people that
• 1:26:37
  Speaker 1: had come before them, the majesty of the civilization that
• 1:26:40
  Speaker 1: had come before them. So when they look back down
• 1:26:45
  Speaker 1: the timeline of history, they're the dummies. And the further
• 1:26:49
  Speaker 1: you go back, the more extraordinary people.
• 1:26:51
  Speaker 3: Are because they were closer to it, right, and they
• 1:26:55
  Speaker 3: all have a myth of the flood and the antiliban
• 1:26:59
  Speaker 3: world general, and they lived in a timeline that was
• 1:27:02
  Speaker 3: closer to that and more accepted because they probably had
• 1:27:06
  Speaker 3: a knowledge an understanding, at least the earliest ones that
• 1:27:10
  Speaker 3: they didn't make this and so they probably passed that down.
• 1:27:14
  Speaker 1: Yeah, well they I think they inherited traditions from their
• 1:27:16
  Speaker 1: ancestors about these things, you know. I mean, you have
• 1:27:21
  Speaker 1: this this idea of golden age among the ancients the
• 1:27:26
  Speaker 1: Golden Age, meaning there was a time on Earth. That
• 1:27:29
  Speaker 1: the Greeks coined that particular phrase, the Golden Age the Egyptians,
• 1:27:33
  Speaker 1: the ancient Egyptians called it Zeptepi the first time. There's
• 1:27:35
  Speaker 1: a time on Earth when the gods descended to the
• 1:27:39
  Speaker 1: earth and cohabited with human species and to some extent
• 1:27:44
  Speaker 1: commingled with the human species, and that it was during
• 1:27:48
  Speaker 1: this time that knowledge was transferred and that great cities
• 1:27:53
  Speaker 1: were built dis cours. This is where the myth of
• 1:27:55
  Speaker 1: Atlantis falls into this category. And then their world was
• 1:28:02
  Speaker 1: suddenly and catastrophically destroyed. And what we've been doing since
• 1:28:08
  Speaker 1: that destruction, in the mind of the agents, what they've
• 1:28:10
  Speaker 1: been doing since that destruction, was attempting to rebuild, to
• 1:28:13
  Speaker 1: rediscover the lost knowledge from that age, to recover it,
• 1:28:17
  Speaker 1: and to try and try and emulate their superior ancestors.
• 1:28:26
  Speaker 1: That's what you see everywhere, everywhere around the world. Doesn't
• 1:28:29
  Speaker 1: matter if you're in Egypt or if you're in Peru.
• 1:28:31
  Speaker 1: You see the same sort of thing. The same thing applies,
• 1:28:35
  Speaker 1: by the way, for the megaliths in Peru. I don't know,
• 1:28:39
  Speaker 1: have you been to Peru. Now? Some of the most
• 1:28:41
  Speaker 1: astounding megaliths that you'll see anywhere in the world. I
• 1:28:46
  Speaker 1: referenced earlier the walls of saxiwe Woman, absolutely phenomenal Cyclopian architecture.
• 1:28:52
  Speaker 1: And of course the construction of those walls is attributed
• 1:28:56
  Speaker 1: to the INCA. So if you ask are geologists in
• 1:29:00
  Speaker 1: Peru who built Saksai Waman, who built Machipichu, who built
• 1:29:05
  Speaker 1: Jan Tai Tambo, It's always gonna be the same answer,
• 1:29:07
  Speaker 1: the Inca. The Inca built it. Now the problem is,
• 1:29:12
  Speaker 1: there's no record of the Inca building those walls. And
• 1:29:15
  Speaker 1: if you ask the the the ancient Ketchra people, if
• 1:29:20
  Speaker 1: you ask the actually the Ketchra people, the Ketchra people
• 1:29:23
  Speaker 1: who continue in their ancient traditions, the ones who are
• 1:29:25
  Speaker 1: there today, and they still wear their their typical vestments,
• 1:29:32
  Speaker 1: and and they still speak Kechuwa. If you talk to
• 1:29:35
  Speaker 1: them and you ask them who built the walls of
• 1:29:39
  Speaker 1: Saxei Waman, specifically Soaksai Woman, they'll tell you a race
• 1:29:42
  Speaker 1: of giants. This goes back to those you know, our progenitors,
• 1:29:46
  Speaker 1: the giants. The giants built Soxei Woman. If you go
• 1:29:48
  Speaker 1: up to if you go up to Titi Kaka Lake
• 1:29:53
  Speaker 1: Titty Kaka, and you ask the Aimata people who built Tijuanaku,
• 1:29:58
  Speaker 1: which is on the other side of Lake Titty Kaka
• 1:30:01
  Speaker 1: and Bolivia who built those megalithic edifices. The giants are progenitors,
• 1:30:06
  Speaker 1: That's what they'll tell you. So and I don't necessarily
• 1:30:09
  Speaker 1: think that giants built all this stuff. I don't necessarily
• 1:30:11
  Speaker 1: think that at all. I just think that there's everyone
• 1:30:14
  Speaker 1: is acknowledging that that something extraordinary happened in the past,
• 1:30:19
  Speaker 1: that that the our antecedents were much more impressive than
• 1:30:23
  Speaker 1: we've given them credit for, I mean, our antidiluvian antecedents,
• 1:30:27
  Speaker 1: and that that in many cases, like you said, there's
• 1:30:32
  Speaker 1: no inscriptions on megalithic stuff anywhere. You go to Machu
• 1:30:37
  Speaker 1: Machu Pichu, and it's apparent that in Saksiwama, Machipichio, Gente Tambo,
• 1:30:42
  Speaker 1: and other places in Peru. It's a parent that the
• 1:30:45
  Speaker 1: inca is certainly built on top and they took advantage
• 1:30:48
  Speaker 1: of these megalithic foundations, right anyone would, I mean, if
• 1:30:50
  Speaker 1: you're going to build an edifice, you would you would
• 1:30:53
  Speaker 1: use the superior foundations here of massive stones and you'd
• 1:30:56
  Speaker 1: build on top and you try to you try to
• 1:30:57
  Speaker 1: emulate that style of building because it's anti seismic for
• 1:31:00
  Speaker 1: one thing. So Machu Picchu, it's evident to me, and
• 1:31:05
  Speaker 1: I think anybody who walks walks around that complex, you
• 1:31:11
  Speaker 1: can see. And we have to keep in mind that
• 1:31:13
  Speaker 1: much of Manchu Pichu today is a reconstruction. It's an
• 1:31:15
  Speaker 1: archaeological reconstruction. Except for the foundations. We have pictures from
• 1:31:19
  Speaker 1: Hiram Bingham, original pictures in black and white of what
• 1:31:23
  Speaker 1: Machu Piachu looked like when he discovered it accidentally, and
• 1:31:28
  Speaker 1: what's there. The megalithic foundations are there. That's what's there,
• 1:31:32
  Speaker 1: the megalithic foundations, and you see the inca built on
• 1:31:37
  Speaker 1: top of those foundations, and that's what a lot of
• 1:31:39
  Speaker 1: the archaeological reconstruction today reflects. So if you walk around
• 1:31:44
  Speaker 1: in Machu Picchu, I remember I've been there several times
• 1:31:47
  Speaker 1: filming and doing different things. And I remember one time
• 1:31:49
  Speaker 1: I was I was with my colleague Anselm Peter Romblin.
• 1:31:52
  Speaker 1: We had a guide with us and he was an
• 1:31:55
  Speaker 1: older gentleman, very very knowledgeable, and he was one of
• 1:31:59
  Speaker 1: their official guys at Manchu Pichu, and we're walking around
• 1:32:03
  Speaker 1: and he's telling us different things about the Inca and
• 1:32:05
  Speaker 1: how they did certain things. And certainly the Inca built
• 1:32:07
  Speaker 1: a lot up there, There's no question about it. Inca
• 1:32:09
  Speaker 1: were impressive. I'm not taking anything away from the Inca.
• 1:32:12
  Speaker 1: But if you look at some of the edifices at
• 1:32:15
  Speaker 1: Manchu Pichu, you can see these magnificent megalithic foundations, big stones,
• 1:32:20
  Speaker 1: polygonal fit together so tightly you couldn't pass a butter
• 1:32:24
  Speaker 1: knife between the joints. And then you have on top.
• 1:32:27
  Speaker 1: But sometimes people describe as Inca slop on top, where
• 1:32:30
  Speaker 1: it's like they kind of they're kind of trying to
• 1:32:32
  Speaker 1: match the style of below, but it's it's not as precise,
• 1:32:35
  Speaker 1: it's not as fine. And you can see the clear delineation,
• 1:32:39
  Speaker 1: clear delineation between the megalithic and then what the Inca
• 1:32:42
  Speaker 1: are doing, and then also the archaeological reconstruction. And I
• 1:32:46
  Speaker 1: remember asking this guide of ours. I pointed across the
• 1:32:50
  Speaker 1: courtyard to some beautiful, this exquisite polygonal fund foundational wall
• 1:32:56
  Speaker 1: with just sort of crude Inca stuff on top, and
• 1:33:00
  Speaker 1: I said, why are there two different styles here? Why
• 1:33:05
  Speaker 1: do you see these large megalithic blocks fit together so precisely,
• 1:33:10
  Speaker 1: and then you have this other style, and you know,
• 1:33:14
  Speaker 1: keeping in mind the archaeological reconstruction, but there wasn't enough
• 1:33:18
  Speaker 1: of the site there that they could model what they
• 1:33:20
  Speaker 1: did based on what the INCA had done. And he said,
• 1:33:24
  Speaker 1: because they liked the way it looked, that was the answer.
• 1:33:28
  Speaker 1: They liked the way it looked. And I said, you
• 1:33:32
  Speaker 1: can't really believe that. I mean, you're not an idiot, right.
• 1:33:36
  Speaker 1: They didn't do that because they liked the way it looked.
• 1:33:39
  Speaker 1: The reason why there's an inferior mode of building on
• 1:33:42
  Speaker 1: top of those megalithic foundations is because they didn't know
• 1:33:45
  Speaker 1: how to do that. They did the best they could,
• 1:33:48
  Speaker 1: and they were very good, right attempting to adopt the
• 1:33:51
  Speaker 1: Cyclopean style. They were good the INCA. But the only
• 1:33:55
  Speaker 1: reason you would do that, the only reason you would
• 1:33:58
  Speaker 1: put inferior architecture on top of superior foundations, is because
• 1:34:02
  Speaker 1: you don't know how to do that.
• 1:34:03
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:34:04
  Speaker 3: Well, it's also the just the sheer size of these blocks.
• 1:34:09
  Speaker 3: It just gives you so many questions because it's it's
• 1:34:13
  Speaker 3: not like you could recreate that with whatever the INCA had.
• 1:34:19
  Speaker 3: That's what's confusing in order to move those stones into
• 1:34:23
  Speaker 3: position and then put them and construct them in a
• 1:34:26
  Speaker 3: way that it appears like they've been melted into place.
• 1:34:29
  Speaker 4: Yeah, you're You're like, how how are you moving them?
• 1:34:33
  Speaker 4: How are you placing them?
• 1:34:34
  Speaker 1: You should go to a Johnta Tombo. Okay, so you
• 1:34:37
  Speaker 1: go to Johntae Tambo, which is in between Cusco and Machipichi.
• 1:34:41
  Speaker 1: You have to go to a Johntay Tomba to get
• 1:34:42
  Speaker 1: on the train to go up to Manchi Picher. It's
• 1:34:44
  Speaker 1: the only way to get there. And oh, John Tay
• 1:34:47
  Speaker 1: Tambo has some of the most exquisite megalithic architecture on
• 1:34:50
  Speaker 1: planet Earth. It is so beautiful the way that they
• 1:34:54
  Speaker 1: were able to and it's it's large megal ethic blocks,
• 1:34:57
  Speaker 1: and there's two different styles represented there. You have the
• 1:35:00
  Speaker 1: polygonal like at the walls of sex I Woman in Peru,
• 1:35:03
  Speaker 1: and then you have the interlocking blocks like at Tiwanaku.
• 1:35:07
  Speaker 1: Both of those styles are there. And there's this one
• 1:35:10
  Speaker 1: spot at John Tai Tambo that I love to take
• 1:35:12
  Speaker 1: people to because you're going up the stairs and the
• 1:35:17
  Speaker 1: wall curves as you're going up the stairs, the wall curves. Now,
• 1:35:21
  Speaker 1: if you and I were building a wall today, even
• 1:35:24
  Speaker 1: if we were like the best, we were the best
• 1:35:26
  Speaker 1: masons in the world, and we're building a wall for
• 1:35:28
  Speaker 1: I don't know, for some billionaire in his house. We
• 1:35:33
  Speaker 1: would interlock the blocks in the corner like everyone does everywhere, right.
• 1:35:37
  Speaker 1: Or if it's cement, you could take cement because it's
• 1:35:39
  Speaker 1: cement is pliable and you could make whatever shape you want.
• 1:35:42
  Speaker 1: But if it's blocks, you're going to interlock the blocks
• 1:35:44
  Speaker 1: into that corner or do something like that. You know
• 1:35:46
  Speaker 1: what they did it on Johntai Tambo. They curved the
• 1:35:50
  Speaker 1: stone into the wall. They curved the stone, so they
• 1:35:54
  Speaker 1: took the stages of that. Yeah, you could pull up
• 1:35:56
  Speaker 1: stones and they cut the stone so that it curved
• 1:36:00
  Speaker 1: into the corner. Who would do that? That is so intricate,
• 1:36:04
  Speaker 1: That is so difficult.
• 1:36:06
  Speaker 4: And by what technology?
• 1:36:08
  Speaker 1: By what technology? But here's the interesting thing. You find
• 1:36:10
  Speaker 1: that same the same fingerprints of these builders all over
• 1:36:13
  Speaker 1: the world. You find the same thing. In in Egypt
• 1:36:17
  Speaker 1: they curved stones. Some of those stones are curved into
• 1:36:19
  Speaker 1: the corners and other places where there's megalithic instructions. I mean,
• 1:36:24
  Speaker 1: these guys there is a there is like a ubiquitous
• 1:36:27
  Speaker 1: knowledge of masonry in the world. The fingerprint is everywhere,
• 1:36:32
  Speaker 1: everywhere you go. It's interesting because one of the things
• 1:36:35
  Speaker 1: I was trying to trying to to to convince this
• 1:36:40
  Speaker 1: this guide of ours at Machu Picha this one time
• 1:36:43
  Speaker 1: of was look here's a problem you guys come over
• 1:36:45
  Speaker 1: to Macha Pichu. So, yeah, that's that, socks I woman.
• 1:36:50
  Speaker 1: No curve stone. Now, I'm talking about a stone that's curved.
• 1:36:52
  Speaker 1: See that there where it says inca stonework uh in
• 1:36:57
  Speaker 1: the mid Yeah, socks I woman. They'll take it's a
• 1:37:00
  Speaker 1: large stone. That one looks like it's curved in the wall,
• 1:37:02
  Speaker 1: but that's not a very large stone. Socks I woman
• 1:37:04
  Speaker 1: will take a large stone and they'll curve it into
• 1:37:06
  Speaker 1: the wall. It's I don't see socksy woman in any
• 1:37:10
  Speaker 1: of those you have to type. I'm sorry, not socks woman.
• 1:37:13
  Speaker 1: Oh John ta tomboh john Ti tombo O l l
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  Speaker 1: A n t O l l A n t A y.
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  Speaker 2: T a n b o O l l o l
• 1:37:24
  Speaker 2: l a n t a y a t a y
• 1:37:31
  Speaker 2: t a m b o. Whoa, that's that's uh tombo
• 1:37:38
  Speaker 2: And I'm looking.
• 1:37:38
  Speaker 1: For that curved u.
• 1:37:40
  Speaker 4: What is the nubs? What are the nubs?
• 1:37:43
  Speaker 1: I don't know. There's another fingerprint of this all architectures everywhere.
• 1:37:47
  Speaker 1: No one really knows. I mean, there's a lot of
• 1:37:49
  Speaker 1: interesting theories out there, but I think at the end
• 1:37:51
  Speaker 1: of the day, nobody has any idea what the heck
• 1:37:54
  Speaker 1: those nubs are.
• 1:37:55
  Speaker 4: Those things are so spectacular.
• 1:37:57
  Speaker 1: Look at Look at the wall, Look at the Look
• 1:37:58
  Speaker 1: at the wall right there at Ojontae Tambo, that cow
• 1:38:03
  Speaker 1: exquisite that is that's nuts. I mean, it is just
• 1:38:06
  Speaker 1: absolutely astonishing.
• 1:38:08
  Speaker 3: And the weight, the weight of these things. Yeah, and
• 1:38:11
  Speaker 3: the fact that they're they're carved and placed in a
• 1:38:15
  Speaker 3: way that would absorb the energy of earthquakes.
• 1:38:18
  Speaker 1: Yes, they're anti seismic. Yeah, they're anti seismic. That's why
• 1:38:21
  Speaker 1: they do it that way, which is now I want
• 1:38:24
  Speaker 1: incredible technology. Think about this. Okay, so you are you
• 1:38:28
  Speaker 1: are with Francisco Pisarro. You're a conquistador in fifteen thirty
• 1:38:35
  Speaker 1: three or fifteen thirty two or fifteen thirty four, I
• 1:38:37
  Speaker 1: can't remember exactly when you landed, and you're walking through
• 1:38:40
  Speaker 1: Peru and you see this, you see this kind of
• 1:38:45
  Speaker 1: architecture as you're conquering Peru, you overthrow the Inca and
• 1:38:50
  Speaker 1: then you go to build, which they did. They overthrew
• 1:38:53
  Speaker 1: the Inca capital city of Cusco. They go to build
• 1:38:56
  Speaker 1: their cathedrals. They built lots of cathedrals and palaces for themselves. Right,
• 1:39:01
  Speaker 1: so you have the Inca palaces and cathedrals. They took
• 1:39:05
  Speaker 1: the blocks from Saksawaman, they took the upper layer of
• 1:39:08
  Speaker 1: blocks and they used them to build their cathedral. Okay,
• 1:39:11
  Speaker 1: there's a couple cathedrals downtown Cusco that were built with
• 1:39:14
  Speaker 1: the blocks from saxe Woman. They didn't build it like that.
• 1:39:17
  Speaker 1: They didn't build their cathedrals like that. They took those
• 1:39:20
  Speaker 1: blocks and they just put them together with mortar like
• 1:39:22
  Speaker 1: they do in Europe. So here's a question that I
• 1:39:25
  Speaker 1: always ask people who think that, you know, the Inca
• 1:39:27
  Speaker 1: were doing that. If you were an architect at that time,
• 1:39:31
  Speaker 1: why in the world wouldn't you have forced the Inca
• 1:39:34
  Speaker 1: to teach you that style so that you could build
• 1:39:37
  Speaker 1: your cathedral. I mean, you would be the greatest architect
• 1:39:40
  Speaker 1: in the world, right you could build You could build
• 1:39:43
  Speaker 1: the most magnificent cathedrals in the world in the Cyclopean style.
• 1:39:48
  Speaker 1: If you understood how they did it. So if the
• 1:39:51
  Speaker 1: Inca were the ones who built it, why didn't they
• 1:39:53
  Speaker 1: force the Inca to teach them how to build?
• 1:39:56
  Speaker 4: Just look at that. That is so crazy, that's really
• 1:39:59
  Speaker 4: sad down right.
• 1:40:02
  Speaker 1: Well, those are in the process. That's so John Tai Tombo.
• 1:40:05
  Speaker 1: That's a temple of the sun at the summit.
• 1:40:07
  Speaker 5: It looks the faces of it look so smooth.
• 1:40:10
  Speaker 1: That's so John, that's so JOHNI tomboll. And this was
• 1:40:13
  Speaker 1: in the process of being constructed at the top when
• 1:40:16
  Speaker 1: it halted. You can see the blocks there. Those blocks
• 1:40:19
  Speaker 1: that you're just looking at were some Yes, those blocks
• 1:40:23
  Speaker 1: are in the process of being transported, and they were
• 1:40:26
  Speaker 1: being they were being worked right there. They were being
• 1:40:30
  Speaker 1: prepped to be incorporated into the walls, and it just halted.
• 1:40:37
  Speaker 1: And the conventional explanation is that it halted because the
• 1:40:39
  Speaker 1: Spanish arrived, that's what halted the work. But but I
• 1:40:44
  Speaker 1: think what halted the work was cataclysm. Personally, I think
• 1:40:48
  Speaker 1: that's what halted the work. Something like a younger drives
• 1:40:51
  Speaker 1: impact was that Jimmy.
• 1:40:54
  Speaker 5: Right here, it looks like the face of the wall,
• 1:40:55
  Speaker 5: you know, like it looks like it's all uniform and
• 1:40:57
  Speaker 5: fits together, right, but if that right here, there's part of.
• 1:41:01
  Speaker 1: Yeah, there's filler in the backing, and that's like, yeah,
• 1:41:03
  Speaker 1: they have filler in the backing some of them, Yeah,
• 1:41:05
  Speaker 1: some of them. The blocks are it's just gigantic blocks.
• 1:41:08
  Speaker 1: Others it's like the facade is exquisite, and.
• 1:41:11
  Speaker 5: Like what we have here brick You know that brick
• 1:41:13
  Speaker 5: in the back of the background. You used to just
• 1:41:15
  Speaker 5: be brick at the other studio.
• 1:41:16
  Speaker 4: Uh huh, kind of like that, right, right, I know
• 1:41:19
  Speaker 4: what you're saying. Yeah, but except these are normal.
• 1:41:23
  Speaker 1: Or yeah, I mean the place there was a point
• 1:41:28
  Speaker 1: of the guy standing there was a picture of the
• 1:41:29
  Speaker 1: guy standing in the corner. There's a guy standing in
• 1:41:31
  Speaker 1: the corner that I was referencing earlier. You just had there.
• 1:41:34
  Speaker 1: It is right there, that guy.
• 1:41:35
  Speaker 4: No, the one below it.
• 1:41:37
  Speaker 1: I don't think you can see the corner right there
• 1:41:39
  Speaker 1: the middle. You see the guy standing there, Yeah, yeah,
• 1:41:41
  Speaker 1: right there behind him, there's this You can see how
• 1:41:44
  Speaker 1: the stone below him it's curved into the corner. That's
• 1:41:47
  Speaker 1: not a separate stone, that's it's literally curved into that corner.
• 1:41:52
  Speaker 1: It's it's just so weird. Bending.
• 1:41:55
  Speaker 4: The nubs are weird. They are weird, and it's weird
• 1:41:57
  Speaker 4: that they.
• 1:41:58
  Speaker 3: Occur all over the world, and it's like it speaks
• 1:42:00
  Speaker 3: almost to like, is that how they carried them and
• 1:42:04
  Speaker 3: placed them? Is that part of the construction. Is that
• 1:42:08
  Speaker 3: something about how they made them that they left these nubs?
• 1:42:12
  Speaker 3: Like what is what are the nubs?
• 1:42:13
  Speaker 1: No one has any idea what the nubs are?
• 1:42:15
  Speaker 3: That seems so weird that we have no answer to
• 1:42:18
  Speaker 3: a feature that occurs over and over again and all this.
• 1:42:23
  Speaker 1: All over the world.
• 1:42:27
  Speaker 5: They keep showing these three those they kind of look
• 1:42:30
  Speaker 5: like the nubs, but they look way different than Yeah,
• 1:42:32
  Speaker 5: they're a lot rougher.
• 1:42:32
  Speaker 1: See those See those smaller pieces of stone there in
• 1:42:35
  Speaker 1: between the large blocks. That's an anti seismic property. That's
• 1:42:39
  Speaker 1: a technology that they use so that the rocks can
• 1:42:41
  Speaker 1: shift and move and and not crumble. That's m it's ingenious.
• 1:42:47
  Speaker 1: And like I said, you have two different styles here
• 1:42:49
  Speaker 1: to Gente Tamball. You have you have the polygonal and
• 1:42:53
  Speaker 1: then you have the the interlocking rectangular. Those are two
• 1:42:56
  Speaker 1: different styles in the same site. That's one of the
• 1:42:58
  Speaker 1: things that makes Johntay Tamble fascinating. And that rectangular interlocking
• 1:43:02
  Speaker 1: style comes from Tiwanaku, which is another amazing megalithic site
• 1:43:08
  Speaker 1: in Bolivia.
• 1:43:09
  Speaker 3: What's interesting is when you combine all these sites all
• 1:43:12
  Speaker 3: over the world and you have all these questions that
• 1:43:15
  Speaker 3: are very similar, like how.
• 1:43:17
  Speaker 4: How did they do this? Why?
• 1:43:19
  Speaker 3: Why is this stuff the oldest stuff? Why is this
• 1:43:22
  Speaker 3: stuff the bottom stuff? Why is the base of it
• 1:43:25
  Speaker 3: the most spectacular construction? And why does it seem like
• 1:43:28
  Speaker 3: more primitive stuff is on top.
• 1:43:29
  Speaker 1: Of that because they like the way it looked.
• 1:43:31
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's but it's the same question over and over again,
• 1:43:36
  Speaker 3: and the reluctance to propose that perhaps the oldest stuff
• 1:43:42
  Speaker 3: is more complicated because the civilization was more complex.
• 1:43:45
  Speaker 1: That's it.
• 1:43:46
  Speaker 3: That's what they're unwilling to They're unwilling to open up
• 1:43:49
  Speaker 3: that door. But that door is the only door that
• 1:43:51
  Speaker 3: makes any sense.
• 1:43:51
  Speaker 1: It's not only is the civilization complex, the knowledge was universal.
• 1:43:56
  Speaker 1: That's a problem that has a problem.
• 1:43:58
  Speaker 3: It's the knowledge was universal, because that means you're talking
• 1:44:00
  Speaker 3: about a seafaring, traveling civilization.
• 1:44:03
  Speaker 1: You're talking about something that's a lot more impressive than cavemen. Right.
• 1:44:08
  Speaker 3: So, especially if this guy, this Italian guy, is right
• 1:44:12
  Speaker 3: in terms of his because twenty thousand BC We're supposed
• 1:44:16
  Speaker 3: to be just brutes. Oh yeah, caveman wearing Yeah, we're
• 1:44:22
  Speaker 3: wearing animal skins.
• 1:44:23
  Speaker 4: We have spears.
• 1:44:26
  Speaker 1: You're a chimpanzee with a bit of brain. Back then, yeah,
• 1:44:29
  Speaker 1: And as I said before, you know, you look at
• 1:44:31
  Speaker 1: that kind of architecture and you and I were we
• 1:44:37
  Speaker 1: to encounter the Inca. Go back in time in the
• 1:44:42
  Speaker 1: late fifteen hundreds, the inc are still around. The builders,
• 1:44:46
  Speaker 1: they alleged builders of these monuments. I mean they were
• 1:44:48
  Speaker 1: building Ojiante Tombol right when you arrive, they quit building.
• 1:44:53
  Speaker 1: Why did the Spanish architects not incorporate any of that
• 1:44:58
  Speaker 1: right into their buildings?
• 1:44:59
  Speaker 4: Why did they not the technique, that.
• 1:45:01
  Speaker 1: Superior technology that's anti seismic. And the point is illustrated
• 1:45:05
  Speaker 1: because in Cusco they built their cathedrals, right, they knocked
• 1:45:08
  Speaker 1: down the palaces of the Inca and they raised the
• 1:45:13
  Speaker 1: cathedrals in in Cusco. And guess what happens. You get
• 1:45:18
  Speaker 1: a big earthquake. The cathedrals crumble to the ground except
• 1:45:23
  Speaker 1: for their megalithic foundations, which remain unmoved. Earthquake comes, cathedrals fall,
• 1:45:29
  Speaker 1: the walls of sox eye woman stand and it's happened
• 1:45:32
  Speaker 1: various times throughout history. Who what architect would not have
• 1:45:37
  Speaker 1: taken advantage of that knowledge had it been available to
• 1:45:41
  Speaker 1: them during the time of the Inca. Yeah, I mean,
• 1:45:44
  Speaker 1: like I said, you could build the most magnificent cathedrals
• 1:45:47
  Speaker 1: on planet Earth, and you could make the Inca build
• 1:45:49
  Speaker 1: it for you. And now you can say that the
• 1:45:52
  Speaker 1: Inca refused, would have refused to pass this knowledge on? Okay? Maybe?
• 1:45:57
  Speaker 1: I mean there was a society within the Inca. You know,
• 1:46:01
  Speaker 1: they were taught by the Grandes almaltas they called them,
• 1:46:04
  Speaker 1: who were the great teachers of the Inca nobility and
• 1:46:07
  Speaker 1: the keepers of the secrets and so forth. The Inca
• 1:46:09
  Speaker 1: didn't even have written language. They used key pus key
• 1:46:12
  Speaker 1: puus was a it's a system of ropes and knots,
• 1:46:15
  Speaker 1: of string and knots. They didn't even have written language.
• 1:46:18
  Speaker 1: So absolutely extraordinary. And there is nobody can give me
• 1:46:23
  Speaker 1: an adequate explanation as to why such amazing knowledge is
• 1:46:27
  Speaker 1: just forgotten. I mean, would we forget how to build computers? No,
• 1:46:34
  Speaker 1: so why would we just forget how to build megaliths?
• 1:46:38
  Speaker 1: Why that's not something you forget? These things don't fall
• 1:46:42
  Speaker 1: down in earthquakes, that's something you pass on carefully from
• 1:46:45
  Speaker 1: one generation to the next, unless, like our ancient antecedents,
• 1:46:49
  Speaker 1: tell us, there was a cataclysm that rocked the earth
• 1:46:53
  Speaker 1: and eliminated the civilizations that were inhabiting the earth. That's
• 1:46:59
  Speaker 1: to me, that's the best explanation.
• 1:47:02
  Speaker 3: Well, it's certainly the most logical explanation. If you weren't
• 1:47:05
  Speaker 3: attached to a timeline, if you didn't have this timeline
• 1:47:09
  Speaker 3: that these archaeologists insist upon, then you would say, Okay, clearly,
• 1:47:14
  Speaker 3: we know that a cataclysm occurred. Clearly we know the
• 1:47:16
  Speaker 3: younger Drys impact theory is accepted, and especially now.
• 1:47:21
  Speaker 1: So becoming more so overtimes, more.
• 1:47:24
  Speaker 3: Likely, much more likely that there was something going on
• 1:47:28
  Speaker 3: that we don't totally understand tens of thousands of years ago.
• 1:47:33
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I think we would do very well
• 1:47:36
  Speaker 1: to listen to take serious the myths and legends.
• 1:47:40
  Speaker 3: Well, it's also weird that like the Aztecs, Like I
• 1:47:44
  Speaker 3: used to think that the Aztecs created those temples and
• 1:47:47
  Speaker 3: those pyramids, and then I found out fairly recently that
• 1:47:52
  Speaker 3: they never even claimed to have no they say they
• 1:47:55
  Speaker 3: found them, that these were the birthplace of the gods.
• 1:48:00
  Speaker 1: See That's what I was going to say about Machu Picchu.
• 1:48:02
  Speaker 1: So you know what the name of Machu Picchu is
• 1:48:04
  Speaker 1: not Machu Picchu. And catch what's E jumpu? And I
• 1:48:07
  Speaker 1: jumpu means the abode of the gods or the dwelling
• 1:48:10
  Speaker 1: of the gods. This is how they viewed the megoaliths.
• 1:48:14
  Speaker 1: I mean, this is how if we were primitive people
• 1:48:16
  Speaker 1: coming upon these megalithic structures, what would we think? The
• 1:48:19
  Speaker 1: gods must have done this? The gods lived here, and
• 1:48:22
  Speaker 1: so then we would rebuild, we would reinhabit the habitation
• 1:48:25
  Speaker 1: of the gods.
• 1:48:25
  Speaker 4: Yeah, why would you live anywhere else?
• 1:48:27
  Speaker 3: If you live there, right, and it would be the
• 1:48:29
  Speaker 3: architecture you've ever imagined exactly. Why would you let some
• 1:48:33
  Speaker 3: idiots take it over? You wouldn't give me that that's mine?
• 1:48:36
  Speaker 1: You wouldn't.
• 1:48:37
  Speaker 4: Yeah, of course.
• 1:48:38
  Speaker 3: You know there's other the weirdness of Peru, like the
• 1:48:41
  Speaker 3: Nazca lines, like what the what the hell is all
• 1:48:44
  Speaker 3: that about?
• 1:48:45
  Speaker 1: I don't know, I don't know. That's a great mystery.
• 1:48:47
  Speaker 4: There's a lot of weirdness to Peru.
• 1:48:49
  Speaker 1: There's a lot of weirdness.
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  Speaker 3: And how about those the ancient tapestries that show those
• 1:48:55
  Speaker 3: three fingered, three toad big headed people with big eyes,
• 1:48:59
  Speaker 3: and it's ubique and these are a thousand years old.
• 1:49:04
  Speaker 1: Then you have the Paracous culture with those massive elongated
• 1:49:08
  Speaker 1: skulls in the in the Procus culture, by the way.
• 1:49:11
  Speaker 1: You know when people see these elongated skulls online, I was.
• 1:49:14
  Speaker 1: I've been in Procress a lot. They've done a lot
• 1:49:15
  Speaker 1: of research down there on the Procress culture and other things,
• 1:49:20
  Speaker 1: made some interesting discoveries, by the way, with our drone
• 1:49:22
  Speaker 1: with our GPR unit. But you see these images online,
• 1:49:26
  Speaker 1: you think that the Procus people, their skulls are so
• 1:49:29
  Speaker 1: large and elongated, you think these must have been big people, right,
• 1:49:33
  Speaker 1: that's what it looks like. No, they were tiny. They
• 1:49:37
  Speaker 1: were really little. They were bizarre there. They're more the
• 1:49:42
  Speaker 1: morphology of their body was different than oursy.
• 1:49:46
  Speaker 4: With big heads.
• 1:49:47
  Speaker 1: Yes, the Procress people were very small, and they had
• 1:49:49
  Speaker 1: a proclivity to live in underground. They had subterranean dwellings
• 1:49:56
  Speaker 1: and their eye sockets of some of these elongated skulls,
• 1:49:58
  Speaker 1: the eye sockets are like twenty five percent and larger
• 1:50:00
  Speaker 1: the orbital socket. So they big eyes, elongated skull, very
• 1:50:05
  Speaker 1: diminutive people in some cases living underground.
• 1:50:07
  Speaker 4: But I've heard people.
• 1:50:11
  Speaker 3: Have theories about Neanderthals that neanderthals with larger eye sockets
• 1:50:15
  Speaker 3: as well might have been able to see at night
• 1:50:19
  Speaker 3: like the way deer can and the way you know,
• 1:50:22
  Speaker 3: other animals that are nocturnal can see at night, that
• 1:50:26
  Speaker 3: they have a different kind of eye structure. Obviously we
• 1:50:28
  Speaker 3: don't know what the eye structure was, but if you
• 1:50:30
  Speaker 3: have a significantly larger eye socket and get a significantly
• 1:50:35
  Speaker 3: larger eyeball, it seems I mean, we know that nocturnal
• 1:50:39
  Speaker 3: vision exists and cats, and exists in a bunch of
• 1:50:42
  Speaker 3: different animals, but the idea of it existing in primates,
• 1:50:46
  Speaker 3: we you know, we kind of dismissed that.
• 1:50:48
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean a bigger eye gathers more like, yeah,
• 1:50:51
  Speaker 1: so it's a it's it's a nocturnal feature that.
• 1:50:54
  Speaker 3: We have no idea what the soft tissue structure of
• 1:50:56
  Speaker 3: their eyes was.
• 1:50:57
  Speaker 1: Like, no, no, now. Granted, for all the skeptics out there, yes,
• 1:51:03
  Speaker 1: many of the elongated skulls in Peru another place around
• 1:51:05
  Speaker 1: the world are the result of cranial deformation. So yes,
• 1:51:10
  Speaker 1: they were deforming their skulls with headboarding, cradle headboarding and
• 1:51:13
  Speaker 1: binding and so forth, there's evidence of that, and you
• 1:51:17
  Speaker 1: can see the evidence when you're there if you know
• 1:51:18
  Speaker 1: what you're looking for on the skulls. But I don't
• 1:51:21
  Speaker 1: believe that that explains all of the elongated skulls, not
• 1:51:26
  Speaker 1: just improve other parts of the world, but especially in Peru.
• 1:51:28
  Speaker 1: There are some examples of elongated skulls that I mean,
• 1:51:32
  Speaker 1: look like a look like a genetic alteration, is the
• 1:51:41
  Speaker 1: best way I can say it. So there's this, there's
• 1:51:44
  Speaker 1: a and you can pull this up, Jami if you
• 1:51:46
  Speaker 1: can find it. There's a there's a mummy. I'm trying
• 1:51:49
  Speaker 1: to think of the name of the of the museum
• 1:51:53
  Speaker 1: where it's house. There's a I think it's the San
• 1:51:55
  Speaker 1: Marcos Museum in Lima. There's a mummy, the first mummy
• 1:52:00
  Speaker 1: that was discovered by Julio Tejo. Julio Teju or one
• 1:52:03
  Speaker 1: of the first, if not the first. Julio Tajo was
• 1:52:06
  Speaker 1: the imminent archaeologist that discovered the Procss culture, and he's
• 1:52:09
  Speaker 1: like their greatest archaeologist in Peru. Was a phenomenal archaeologist
• 1:52:13
  Speaker 1: and he discovered all kinds of things about the Procss
• 1:52:15
  Speaker 1: culture and he dug up this mummy and it is
• 1:52:21
  Speaker 1: it is the most bizarre mummy I've ever seen in
• 1:52:24
  Speaker 1: my life. It has a massive, elongated skull.
• 1:52:27
  Speaker 3: Massive, And we showed a few of those the other
• 1:52:30
  Speaker 3: day when Cassie Coppersmith was on. We showed a few
• 1:52:32
  Speaker 3: of these ones that don't have the sagital future. Yeah,
• 1:52:35
  Speaker 3: they're weird, like the just the actual structure of the
• 1:52:39
  Speaker 3: skulls different.
• 1:52:40
  Speaker 1: But this one has the skin on it, except for
• 1:52:43
  Speaker 1: part of the face is gone, but it's got the
• 1:52:44
  Speaker 1: skin on it, so you can actually see what this
• 1:52:47
  Speaker 1: skull looked like with the skin on it. And then
• 1:52:49
  Speaker 1: the morphology of the body is just weird. I mean,
• 1:52:53
  Speaker 1: I think it's in the museums if I recall the
• 1:52:56
  Speaker 1: Museum of sam Marcos and Lima.
• 1:52:59
  Speaker 4: So these are how tall are these things?
• 1:53:02
  Speaker 3: Oh?
• 1:53:02
  Speaker 1: They were small. I mean we're talking four foot tall. Wow,
• 1:53:06
  Speaker 1: these guys were.
• 1:53:06
  Speaker 3: Little giant heads and four feet tall.
• 1:53:08
  Speaker 1: Yeah, they're little. Everyone thinks they were big. No, no, no,
• 1:53:11
  Speaker 1: they were little, some of them. I mean I think
• 1:53:12
  Speaker 1: they were four and a half maybe average four to
• 1:53:15
  Speaker 1: four and a half feet tall. Somewhere in there. They
• 1:53:17
  Speaker 1: were very small, maybe from four to five feet tall,
• 1:53:20
  Speaker 1: I don't remember, but they're significantly they're they're very small,
• 1:53:23
  Speaker 1: they're diminutive people.
• 1:53:25
  Speaker 5: I've never seen one with skin on it.
• 1:53:28
  Speaker 4: That's not really That one's nuts.
• 1:53:30
  Speaker 1: They're the one that Brian Forster's looking at right there. Yeah,
• 1:53:35
  Speaker 1: that right there is just absolutely bizarre when you look
• 1:53:39
  Speaker 1: at take a look at the Look at how tall
• 1:53:41
  Speaker 1: that forehead is on them. Their skin on there, very
• 1:53:44
  Speaker 1: well preserved and if you look around the back you
• 1:53:47
  Speaker 1: can't see it here in this image, but if you
• 1:53:48
  Speaker 1: look around the back side of it, the neck is
• 1:53:50
  Speaker 1: very bizarre sort of it's a curved that is so weird.
• 1:53:55
  Speaker 1: I mean, imagine putting upon somebody here in Austin and
• 1:54:00
  Speaker 1: that has a skull like that. A few of them here,
• 1:54:04
  Speaker 1: right and that.
• 1:54:07
  Speaker 3: I mean that does not look like cranial deformation. That
• 1:54:11
  Speaker 3: looks like a totally different kind of head.
• 1:54:12
  Speaker 1: It's like a genetic anomaly.
• 1:54:17
  Speaker 4: What is that one in the middle, Yeah, what of
• 1:54:20
  Speaker 4: that one? Geez?
• 1:54:22
  Speaker 1: Yeah. There's all kinds of very interesting specimens like that,
• 1:54:25
  Speaker 1: And as you said, Peru's a very very strange place.
• 1:54:27
  Speaker 4: The one on the far left is the craziest one
• 1:54:29
  Speaker 4: to make one that's.
• 1:54:31
  Speaker 1: A chungo skull. That one was discovered at the Chungo's Necropolis.
• 1:54:35
  Speaker 4: Like, what the hell is that?
• 1:54:35
  Speaker 3: I mean, just the volume of the brain is so
• 1:54:39
  Speaker 3: much larger than a human beings that leasure.
• 1:54:41
  Speaker 1: Might be elongated. You know, someone might have altered that picture.
• 1:54:44
  Speaker 1: It is very impressive that one might be elongated the picture.
• 1:54:48
  Speaker 4: I mean, right, that's more like it.
• 1:54:50
  Speaker 1: But the skull, these skulls, many of these skulls, that's
• 1:54:54
  Speaker 1: in the museum of Eca and the city of vik
• 1:54:57
  Speaker 1: in Peru.
• 1:54:58
  Speaker 4: That's absolutely insane.
• 1:54:59
  Speaker 1: These skulls. The Chungo skull was taken from the Chungo's Necropolis.
• 1:55:02
  Speaker 1: If you go over to the Chungo's Necropolis today, which
• 1:55:04
  Speaker 1: is on in the desert, you see these things sticking
• 1:55:06
  Speaker 1: on the ground and they got red here, auburn here.
• 1:55:10
  Speaker 1: And we were over there with our with our crew
• 1:55:15
  Speaker 1: and there's a pyramid there, but it's it's an Adobe
• 1:55:18
  Speaker 1: pyramid and it's called the the Chungles Pyramid. And nobody
• 1:55:26
  Speaker 1: really goes to this area because it's sort off the
• 1:55:28
  Speaker 1: beaten path. It's not not well known. We were actually
• 1:55:32
  Speaker 1: working in an area further down the road because at
• 1:55:36
  Speaker 1: the time we were looking for a treasure. We were
• 1:55:38
  Speaker 1: filming a like a for like a TV show looking
• 1:55:41
  Speaker 1: for treasure, and there was this there's this pond that
• 1:55:45
  Speaker 1: has a very interesting UFO story attached to it further
• 1:55:48
  Speaker 1: up the road, and so we were working up there.
• 1:55:51
  Speaker 1: But every day when we drive by the pyramid, the
• 1:55:54
  Speaker 1: Chungo's Pyramid, and it's an Adobe pyramid, so it's not
• 1:55:59
  Speaker 1: super impressed. It's made of large adobe blocks. But it
• 1:56:02
  Speaker 1: was a large urban center. It was some people think
• 1:56:05
  Speaker 1: it was the capital of the Procus culture. Very large
• 1:56:07
  Speaker 1: urban center, and it was a necropolis. There's tons of
• 1:56:11
  Speaker 1: of remains and the the elongated skull some of these
• 1:56:17
  Speaker 1: procous people, the nobility, for sure, they were buried in
• 1:56:21
  Speaker 1: burial bundles and they're in the fetal position. And these
• 1:56:24
  Speaker 1: burial bundles are are they're usually layers of fabric and
• 1:56:29
  Speaker 1: there's various items in there, and they're just under the
• 1:56:32
  Speaker 1: surface of the sand. They're right there. And you get
• 1:56:35
  Speaker 1: a lot of grave robbers, wokeatos who go in there
• 1:56:37
  Speaker 1: and and you know, steal all kinds of artifacts and stuff.
• 1:56:40
  Speaker 1: But we're driving by. I looked at the pyramid and
• 1:56:43
  Speaker 1: I thought I had this intuition, there's there's a there's
• 1:56:49
  Speaker 1: there's a tunnel under that pyramid, there's a there's there's
• 1:56:51
  Speaker 1: a tunnel system under that pair. I don't know why,
• 1:56:53
  Speaker 1: I just had this intuition. So we decided to go
• 1:56:55
  Speaker 1: over there one day and fly our our GP drone
• 1:57:00
  Speaker 1: around the pyramid, and we did. We did an extensive
• 1:57:05
  Speaker 1: run around that pyramid. We did like a cross configuration
• 1:57:08
  Speaker 1: with the drone to make sure that we get a
• 1:57:09
  Speaker 1: good reading, and we found two massive artificial tunnels under
• 1:57:14
  Speaker 1: the pyramid that intersect one hundred feet below that pyramid. Matt.
• 1:57:18
  Speaker 1: You could drive a semi truck through them, and we
• 1:57:19
  Speaker 1: don't know how far they go, but they go. And
• 1:57:23
  Speaker 1: we actually spend some time trying to find a way
• 1:57:25
  Speaker 1: into them. We couldn't. We ran out of time. But
• 1:57:29
  Speaker 1: it's it's remarkable because Julio Tejo remarks in his writing
• 1:57:35
  Speaker 1: about the Procus culture that the Parracus people seem to
• 1:57:38
  Speaker 1: have a affinity for living under the ground. They had
• 1:57:43
  Speaker 1: subterranean dwellings. And I've explored some of these subterranean dwellings
• 1:57:48
  Speaker 1: out in the out in the Procress Reserve and what's
• 1:57:51
  Speaker 1: They're really cool because they you'll see like these these hills,
• 1:57:56
  Speaker 1: they look like they look like long houses that are
• 1:57:59
  Speaker 1: built that are that are buried in the ground. So
• 1:58:01
  Speaker 1: you see like this, this this elongated hill, and really
• 1:58:05
  Speaker 1: what it is is it's whale bones. They use like
• 1:58:08
  Speaker 1: the vertebrae of whale, so you got whalebones, and then
• 1:58:11
  Speaker 1: they would pack on top all kinds of they would
• 1:58:13
  Speaker 1: pack on earth. But then they would also add in
• 1:58:16
  Speaker 1: organic material and it would create like an insulating effect
• 1:58:20
  Speaker 1: and heat the interior. But they were subterraneans, so what
• 1:58:23
  Speaker 1: you see are the roofs of the of the dwellings.
• 1:58:26
  Speaker 1: And then they went down into the ground and there
• 1:58:28
  Speaker 1: were tunnels and there's all kinds of stuff. This is
• 1:58:30
  Speaker 1: where these weird people with the elongated skulls were living.
• 1:58:34
  Speaker 1: It's just absolutely bad and it's absolutely bizarre.
• 1:58:37
  Speaker 4: How old are these mummies?
• 1:58:39
  Speaker 1: I think the process culture, Oh Jesus, goes back maybe
• 1:58:43
  Speaker 1: to I don't remember too hundred BC or something like that.
• 1:58:48
  Speaker 1: I can't remember. Maybe not that far back. I really
• 1:58:51
  Speaker 1: don't remember. There there that's that can't be accurate. I
• 1:58:53
  Speaker 1: think it goes back to definitely to the first century
• 1:58:57
  Speaker 1: a D. I don't remember offs what happened?
• 1:59:00
  Speaker 4: Where do those people go?
• 1:59:02
  Speaker 1: That's that's the question. I mean, the the I think
• 1:59:06
  Speaker 1: that the prevailing theory is that they became the Nasca people,
• 1:59:09
  Speaker 1: that they didn't go anywhere, that that essentially the Nasca
• 1:59:12
  Speaker 1: people were the Procus people. Let they enter bred know
• 1:59:17
  Speaker 1: that the culture just sort of migrated and became the
• 1:59:20
  Speaker 1: Nasca people.
• 1:59:21
  Speaker 3: So what happened to those genetic features that well.
• 1:59:23
  Speaker 1: There are some among the no Osca, but not as
• 1:59:26
  Speaker 1: much as among the Procus. Others think that the Parracus
• 1:59:29
  Speaker 1: they just disappeared like they were either exterminated or there's
• 1:59:33
  Speaker 1: you know, there's multiple theories, but there's no question that
• 1:59:36
  Speaker 1: they were bizarre, bizarre, and of.
• 1:59:40
  Speaker 3: Course there's physical evidence of this, Like we're talking about
• 1:59:43
  Speaker 3: the mummies before excuse me though, the giants before, and
• 1:59:47
  Speaker 3: you know it's just stories. This is actual physical evidence.
• 1:59:51
  Speaker 1: I mean the longest skulls, yes, oh yeah, they're everywhere
• 1:59:53
  Speaker 1: down there now. Granted, as I said before, many of
• 1:59:56
  Speaker 1: them are the results many of them are the result
• 1:59:58
  Speaker 1: of cranial deformation.
• 1:59:59
  Speaker 4: But about these motherfuckers, I don't know.
• 2:00:01
  Speaker 5: Not all elongate.
• 2:00:02
  Speaker 3: I mean, yeah, how do you elongate that you get
• 2:00:04
  Speaker 3: a balloon in someone's head.
• 2:00:05
  Speaker 1: I've seen some really big heart shaped heads. That is
• 2:00:08
  Speaker 1: simple meeting that guy just small compared to someone's I've seen,
• 2:00:13
  Speaker 1: like some of the ones I've seen like look like
• 2:00:14
  Speaker 1: a heart, really big. And actually that particular skull was
• 2:00:19
  Speaker 1: was exceptionally large when I saw that, look like a heart. Yeah,
• 2:00:24
  Speaker 1: so just keep in mind, yes, cranial deformation.
• 2:00:26
  Speaker 5: Is it says that these two in the front left
• 2:00:29
  Speaker 5: rower from the bill of bait. And now I don't
• 2:00:32
  Speaker 5: know what the hell that means.
• 2:00:34
  Speaker 4: Bill of bait.
• 2:00:35
  Speaker 1: That's the pictures.
• 2:00:36
  Speaker 4: What does that mean? Do you know what that means?
• 2:00:38
  Speaker 5: No, from the front are from the bill of bait
• 2:00:42
  Speaker 5: sized bill bit.
• 2:00:44
  Speaker 1: I don't know.
• 2:00:44
  Speaker 3: Look at that one on the left in the middle.
• 2:00:46
  Speaker 3: Those are nuts. That is just imagine meeting that cat.
• 2:00:51
  Speaker 1: And here's the other question.
• 2:00:52
  Speaker 4: Justize of his eyes.
• 2:00:54
  Speaker 1: Here's the other question, the why behind the head right?
• 2:00:58
  Speaker 1: And this is all as you know all the world.
• 2:01:00
  Speaker 1: It's they do it in Africa, they do all the
• 2:01:02
  Speaker 1: Native Americans, the Flathead tribe up in Montana. They're called
• 2:01:05
  Speaker 1: the Flathead because they would cradle board. They're young, and
• 2:01:08
  Speaker 1: they get these flat they would have these very distinct skulls.
• 2:01:13
  Speaker 1: So why are the cultures doing They're emulating something? Who
• 2:01:20
  Speaker 1: or what are they emulating, that's the question. And of
• 2:01:23
  Speaker 1: course you have in ancient Egypt, you have you know,
• 2:01:26
  Speaker 1: figures with elongated skulls like never Tidy and her daughters
• 2:01:32
  Speaker 1: who are depicted with very pronounced elongated skulls. Now, is
• 2:01:34
  Speaker 1: that the Is that just the result of cradle head headboarding? Probably?
• 2:01:39
  Speaker 1: I don't know, But why do that?
• 2:01:41
  Speaker 3: Well, the problem is some of these skulls have actual
• 2:01:43
  Speaker 3: larger volume than the human skins.
• 2:01:45
  Speaker 1: That's true, some of them do.
• 2:01:46
  Speaker 4: That's that's where it gets really work.
• 2:01:48
  Speaker 1: That's true.
• 2:01:50
  Speaker 3: Even forty more volume, which is like okay, yeah, forty
• 2:01:56
  Speaker 3: more brain is nuts?
• 2:01:57
  Speaker 4: What does that mean?
• 2:01:58
  Speaker 5: There's a slight explanation for what we were just looking up,
• 2:02:01
  Speaker 5: and that was what is the I got to do
• 2:02:04
  Speaker 5: with male and female?
• 2:02:06
  Speaker 3: So it says bile bi bilobait, that thing that you
• 2:02:09
  Speaker 3: were talking about, tubular erect was the most common among
• 2:02:13
  Speaker 3: both sexes. Bilobait skulls are observed at a much higher
• 2:02:15
  Speaker 3: rate than female skulls. This association with sex has evidence
• 2:02:20
  Speaker 3: in some parakas ceramics, where men and women are depicted
• 2:02:22
  Speaker 3: with distinctly tubular erect or bio bait heads respectively.
• 2:02:28
  Speaker 5: And then it even goes into this.
• 2:02:29
  Speaker 1: So the biobait is then the heart shaped fucking weird.
• 2:02:34
  Speaker 1: It is weird, it is extremely weird. And then of
• 2:02:35
  Speaker 1: course you have those, you know, the alleged alien ummies
• 2:02:38
  Speaker 1: down there.
• 2:02:38
  Speaker 3: Yeah, what do you think about those, because there's a
• 2:02:39
  Speaker 3: lot of people now that are saying that those are
• 2:02:41
  Speaker 3: elaborate hoaxes.
• 2:02:42
  Speaker 1: I went down to Peru. I was invited to go
• 2:02:43
  Speaker 1: down there by doctor Rogers Zunaga or Professor Rogers Junya.
• 2:02:50
  Speaker 1: Get you go down and look at the specimens that
• 2:02:52
  Speaker 1: they have the Eco Museum. They have four specimens at
• 2:02:55
  Speaker 1: the Eco Museum. The most impressive specimen that they have
• 2:02:58
  Speaker 1: there's called Maria, and Maria's in the fetal position. She's
• 2:03:01
  Speaker 1: a large one of the larger mummies. Then they have
• 2:03:05
  Speaker 1: a few other ones. They have two of the of
• 2:03:07
  Speaker 1: the the small ones, the ones that Haimi Masan famously
• 2:03:12
  Speaker 1: revealed over there in Mexico during that thing that he
• 2:03:14
  Speaker 1: did over there, that press thing. And and then you
• 2:03:17
  Speaker 1: have one that's called Waweita, which seems to be like
• 2:03:22
  Speaker 1: some kind of a combination of different things. And so
• 2:03:26
  Speaker 1: I went down there to the university and uh walked
• 2:03:30
  Speaker 1: up to these things and and at first, I have
• 2:03:33
  Speaker 1: to say my first impression of Maria, I didn't really
• 2:03:36
  Speaker 1: care about the little ones. I never believed that the
• 2:03:38
  Speaker 1: little ones look squirrely. Yeah, I never believe that they
• 2:03:41
  Speaker 1: are living organic beings. They're very rigid.
• 2:03:43
  Speaker 4: Yeah, they're very rigid.
• 2:03:45
  Speaker 1: I don't think that, you know, like their morphology really
• 2:03:47
  Speaker 1: could have worked in the real world. Likenst and Maria,
• 2:03:52
  Speaker 1: and there's a bunch of them. Those are very compelling
• 2:03:56
  Speaker 1: when you when you're standing excellent looking at them. They
• 2:04:01
  Speaker 1: were compelling. So I looked at the mummies and then
• 2:04:05
  Speaker 1: I interviewed Rogers Zunigan, and he's very, very convinced that
• 2:04:09
  Speaker 1: they're one. Sincerely. I mean, I like Professor Zuniga, and
• 2:04:17
  Speaker 1: he really is convinced. I don't think he's not trying
• 2:04:19
  Speaker 1: to perpetrate some kind of a hoax. Neither is anybody
• 2:04:21
  Speaker 1: at the University of Eca. There's a good faith effort
• 2:04:24
  Speaker 1: going on there to try and investigate this and and
• 2:04:28
  Speaker 1: continually do testing. And there it's an open field there.
• 2:04:31
  Speaker 4: They've done genetic testing, yeah, they've.
• 2:04:33
  Speaker 1: Done all kinds of testing. So here's the problem. There's
• 2:04:36
  Speaker 1: been a lot of testing done, but I don't think
• 2:04:39
  Speaker 1: the interpretation of the data has been confident, and so
• 2:04:45
  Speaker 1: initially I was pretty impressed. I thought it was more
• 2:04:48
  Speaker 1: likely than not. I even said this on that Michael
• 2:04:50
  Speaker 1: Noles show that it was more likely than not in
• 2:04:52
  Speaker 1: my mind that the larger mummies like Maria were real.
• 2:04:56
  Speaker 1: But I've since reversed that position. I think it's more
• 2:04:59
  Speaker 1: likely than not that all of them are a hoax.
• 2:05:02
  Speaker 1: That's my personal opinion. And this is a hot topic,
• 2:05:06
  Speaker 1: you know, like an X and stuff. There's a lot
• 2:05:08
  Speaker 1: of people who are absolutely, sincerely convinced that these things
• 2:05:11
  Speaker 1: are real. The problem is that this entire thing started
• 2:05:16
  Speaker 1: with a with a grave robber, a very shady individual,
• 2:05:22
  Speaker 1: and the very first mummies that were brought forward were hoaxes,
• 2:05:25
  Speaker 1: were fake. That's how it started. And you know, this
• 2:05:30
  Speaker 1: is a whole it's a whole saga we don't have
• 2:05:32
  Speaker 1: to get into. But it started with fakes. It started
• 2:05:35
  Speaker 1: with a hoax, and then they, you know, then allegedly
• 2:05:39
  Speaker 1: they started to produce the real ones. And I just
• 2:05:43
  Speaker 1: have a hard time believing that that this is an
• 2:05:47
  Speaker 1: elaborate hoax. Now I've talked to some of the individuals
• 2:05:49
  Speaker 1: who've who've done some of the scientific work on these
• 2:05:54
  Speaker 1: they don't want me to mention their names or anything.
• 2:05:58
  Speaker 1: They're trying to just sort of stay neutral. They don't
• 2:06:00
  Speaker 1: want the press. And they they also doubt that they're
• 2:06:06
  Speaker 1: they're real. They think they're really really elaborate hoaxes. And
• 2:06:12
  Speaker 1: I know that a lot of money has exchanged hands
• 2:06:15
  Speaker 1: in regard to these things. Maria was up for sale
• 2:06:18
  Speaker 1: from a million dollars at one point, and I mean,
• 2:06:21
  Speaker 1: if you're approving grave robber, a million dollars is like
• 2:06:24
  Speaker 1: a billion dollars.
• 2:06:25
  Speaker 3: I mean, so that's to me, that's uh, can we
• 2:06:29
  Speaker 3: see what the Maria one looks like?
• 2:06:31
  Speaker 1: That's not that casts a lot of shade on the
• 2:06:34
  Speaker 1: whole thing for me. Now, I can't say scientifically the
• 2:06:38
  Speaker 1: DNA DADA of this that the other. But there's a
• 2:06:40
  Speaker 1: lot of debate going back and forth on this thing.
• 2:06:42
  Speaker 3: Well, I think one of the problems is anatomists, experts
• 2:06:47
  Speaker 3: in anatomy have looked at the structure of the feet
• 2:06:49
  Speaker 3: in the hands, and they it doesn't seem to jive
• 2:06:53
  Speaker 3: with what they understand about the structure of feet.
• 2:06:56
  Speaker 1: That's true that the.
• 2:06:57
  Speaker 3: Bones are not in the proper position, they're not the
• 2:07:00
  Speaker 3: proper size, they don't it doesn't look like it makes sense.
• 2:07:04
  Speaker 3: But damn, that's amazing. Like, here's the thing. If it
• 2:07:08
  Speaker 3: is a hoax, Like, what an amazing job they did?
• 2:07:11
  Speaker 1: Yeah, maybe maybe the greatest hoax ever perpetrated in the
• 2:07:15
  Speaker 1: history of archaeology.
• 2:07:15
  Speaker 4: Who did it? And like, what what talent this person has?
• 2:07:20
  Speaker 5: It's a new note because this website was the Triactyls
• 2:07:23
  Speaker 5: dot org.
• 2:07:24
  Speaker 1: It got up.
• 2:07:24
  Speaker 5: There is a little note that popped up. It says
• 2:07:26
  Speaker 5: they have ongoing research that just got updated.
• 2:07:29
  Speaker 1: This is a great website.
• 2:07:31
  Speaker 4: What is the ongoing research?
• 2:07:35
  Speaker 1: Might be Mario, Yeah, Mario, they call them Mario.
• 2:07:37
  Speaker 4: Now to dude, maybe he's not binary.
• 2:07:40
  Speaker 5: A bunch more data down here.
• 2:07:42
  Speaker 4: I don't know what all this stuff is interesting.
• 2:07:45
  Speaker 1: That's a great resource there.
• 2:07:48
  Speaker 3: So it's Tridactyls dot org. Go to the images of
• 2:07:52
  Speaker 3: it again, go down like right there.
• 2:07:55
  Speaker 1: So this, uh.
• 2:07:58
  Speaker 4: Okay, this is a three D scan.
• 2:08:00
  Speaker 5: These are all scans. These are videos of the scans.
• 2:08:03
  Speaker 3: Fucking weird man. Look at the length also of the
• 2:08:07
  Speaker 3: fingers and the toes. But you think that's a hoax.
• 2:08:12
  Speaker 3: People say they wouldn't work there, you know, I would
• 2:08:16
  Speaker 3: you say, Jamie. People said that, like the you can't
• 2:08:18
  Speaker 3: grab stuff. There's pictures down here they have a people
• 2:08:20
  Speaker 3: trying to Now where was it trying to grab stuff with?
• 2:08:24
  Speaker 1: Uh?
• 2:08:25
  Speaker 5: I might have been looking at different Yeah, I was
• 2:08:27
  Speaker 5: looking at this. These are the fingers that you couldn't bend.
• 2:08:31
  Speaker 5: They wouldn't bend or something like that. It's hard to
• 2:08:33
  Speaker 5: like this person trying to grab stuff with long fingers
• 2:08:36
  Speaker 5: without bendable you know, uh, appendages.
• 2:08:40
  Speaker 4: I guess, Well, we're assuming that they had to grab things.
• 2:08:43
  Speaker 5: Oh what would you have fingers for?
• 2:08:45
  Speaker 4: Well, maybe they put them.
• 2:08:46
  Speaker 3: On a spaceship. That's how they pilot it. Maybe they've
• 2:08:50
  Speaker 3: gone past the idea of picking things up. Maybe they
• 2:08:53
  Speaker 3: lift things with their mind. Maybe that's how they move
• 2:08:56
  Speaker 3: the blocks into place.
• 2:08:58
  Speaker 1: I don't know. I'm more convinced than that that there
• 2:08:59
  Speaker 1: there are I don't I can't say definitively.
• 2:09:02
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I would lean in that direction because I want
• 2:09:04
  Speaker 3: them to be real and the problem. But also, however,
• 2:09:07
  Speaker 3: did hoax them like monstrat whoever hoax that? Like, what
• 2:09:10
  Speaker 3: an amazing job you guys did. And also there's some
• 2:09:13
  Speaker 3: of them that have weird implants in their heads metal implants.
• 2:09:16
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that won a couple of them have them in
• 2:09:18
  Speaker 1: the hand, others have them in the forehead, very weird.
• 2:09:20
  Speaker 1: Some of them have fetuses apparently, although that's there's some
• 2:09:23
  Speaker 1: dispute about that. They say the fetuses look like you
• 2:09:25
  Speaker 1: know that they look the same as the adults, which
• 2:09:27
  Speaker 1: would be remarkable if true. But that's disputed. Everything's disputed, right,
• 2:09:31
  Speaker 1: there's I mean, there's there's there's there's a factional battle
• 2:09:36
  Speaker 1: here between the believers in the naysayers, right, and they're
• 2:09:40
  Speaker 1: both looking at the same data, interpreting interpreting it differently.
• 2:09:44
  Speaker 1: So that's why I just sort of stand back and say,
• 2:09:46
  Speaker 1: I don't know. I mean, I can tell you how
• 2:09:48
  Speaker 1: it started. It started with grave robbers, very very seedy people,
• 2:09:54
  Speaker 1: and it started the initial ones were not real. I
• 2:09:58
  Speaker 1: know that because I know individuals who were involved in
• 2:10:01
  Speaker 1: that whole thing. So just that alone, yeah, just that alone.
• 2:10:07
  Speaker 3: But then how did they make the skin, how did
• 2:10:09
  Speaker 3: they cover it?
• 2:10:10
  Speaker 4: How did they make it look.
• 2:10:11
  Speaker 1: Like they're really good? I mean, you know, if you
• 2:10:14
  Speaker 1: were selling these things for hundreds of thous if you
• 2:10:16
  Speaker 1: were making one hundred thousand dollars, just one hundred thousand
• 2:10:18
  Speaker 1: dollars on one of these mummies, and you're a poor
• 2:10:21
  Speaker 1: grave robber. You would do anything, take whatever time whatever
• 2:10:26
  Speaker 1: it took to produce one of these, to sell it
• 2:10:28
  Speaker 1: to make one hundred thousand dollars.
• 2:10:30
  Speaker 3: But how did they age them? Like, and they're really old.
• 2:10:34
  Speaker 1: They harvest the pieces from the graves, okay, from the noscat.
• 2:10:41
  Speaker 3: Construct this somehow from really old skeletons beasted together.
• 2:10:46
  Speaker 1: That's the allegation, and also from old lamas and stuff
• 2:10:49
  Speaker 1: like that.
• 2:10:50
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 2:10:51
  Speaker 3: One of the other weird things about these elongated heads
• 2:10:54
  Speaker 3: is that they have where it connects to the spine
• 2:10:57
  Speaker 3: is in a different position than a human skull.
• 2:11:00
  Speaker 1: Yes, there's some indication of that. That's why I was
• 2:11:03
  Speaker 1: pointing out on that the one that with the skin
• 2:11:06
  Speaker 1: on it, there is a very interesting morphology with with
• 2:11:10
  Speaker 1: with the neck work connects into the spinal cord. Now
• 2:11:14
  Speaker 1: I'm not an expert on anatomy. I don't know. All
• 2:11:16
  Speaker 1: I can look at it and say is that's freaking weird. Immediately,
• 2:11:19
  Speaker 1: Really it is weird, and all I and and I
• 2:11:22
  Speaker 1: mean I always just remind people just you can argue
• 2:11:25
  Speaker 1: about all the data all day long, but if one
• 2:11:27
  Speaker 1: of those people walked into this room right now, it
• 2:11:31
  Speaker 1: wouldn't just be a little weird, right, it would be.
• 2:11:34
  Speaker 1: It would be utterly bizarre. Yeah.
• 2:11:37
  Speaker 3: And an actual real human mummy or whatever it is mummy,
• 2:11:42
  Speaker 3: if that was alive today, it would freak you out.
• 2:11:45
  Speaker 1: Larger orbital sockets, very small, extremely elongated head, Yeah, freaking out.
• 2:11:51
  Speaker 3: It just makes you wonder, like, what was the world
• 2:11:54
  Speaker 3: like back then? What what were these people like? Was
• 2:11:59
  Speaker 3: there separate branch of the human species?
• 2:12:02
  Speaker 1: I don't know. I think I'm pretty sure now I'm
• 2:12:04
  Speaker 1: recalling the date twenty twenty five hundred BC. Somewhere around
• 2:12:07
  Speaker 1: there is where the Prockets culture goes back to, and
• 2:12:10
  Speaker 1: then it I think it existed until seven hundred AD.
• 2:12:14
  Speaker 1: I'm not sure that those numbers are accurate, but that's
• 2:12:17
  Speaker 1: what I remember. Yeah, there's a lot of weird stuff in.
• 2:12:21
  Speaker 3: Peru, well, a lot of weird stuff and just ancient
• 2:12:23
  Speaker 3: history in particular. What do you make of things like
• 2:12:27
  Speaker 3: zep Tepe and the Sumerian Kings List, where you go
• 2:12:32
  Speaker 3: back in time and you have these incredible ages of
• 2:12:36
  Speaker 3: some of these rulers that ruled for thousands of years.
• 2:12:41
  Speaker 1: Well, what's interests really interesting is that if you overlay
• 2:12:44
  Speaker 1: the Sumerian Kings List with the list of patriarchs pre
• 2:12:48
  Speaker 1: flood patriarchs in Genesis five. It's like a one to
• 2:12:50
  Speaker 1: one match. So I'm not convinced that I think that
• 2:12:56
  Speaker 1: the Sumerian kings list is the ages mythological. I don't
• 2:13:03
  Speaker 1: think that they were ruling for thousands and thousands of years.
• 2:13:09
  Speaker 1: I like I said, I see this very interesting overlay
• 2:13:12
  Speaker 1: over the Genesis six genealogy. These are the patriarchs from
• 2:13:15
  Speaker 1: Adam Denah, and specifically, I mean, these are the patriarchs
• 2:13:18
  Speaker 1: who live before the flood. The flood came in the
• 2:13:20
  Speaker 1: time of Noah. And you know, there's a lot of
• 2:13:25
  Speaker 1: debate right now, especially online, and I think you've had
• 2:13:29
  Speaker 1: people here on your show as well that talk about
• 2:13:32
  Speaker 1: the Sumerian story being the oldest story and being our
• 2:13:38
  Speaker 1: sort of the the original story of the flood and
• 2:13:42
  Speaker 1: of the antediluvian world. But I actually I have a
• 2:13:45
  Speaker 1: different view of that. I think actually the oldest story
• 2:13:48
  Speaker 1: is the story of Enoch, is the Nachian story. I
• 2:13:52
  Speaker 1: think that's the original story, and maybe some of this strangeness,
• 2:13:57
  Speaker 1: maybe some of the bizarre things that we see and
• 2:13:59
  Speaker 1: that the stories of the flood and of the giants
• 2:14:03
  Speaker 1: and all of that may be something like the Book
• 2:14:06
  Speaker 1: of enoch Is a is a actually inaccurate account of
• 2:14:09
  Speaker 1: affairs of things that happen in the antidiluvian world. And
• 2:14:13
  Speaker 1: certainly the writers of the Biblical narrative believe that, I
• 2:14:16
  Speaker 1: mean the writer of Genesis, and then obviously in the
• 2:14:18
  Speaker 1: New Testament you have references to to what I call
• 2:14:21
  Speaker 1: the Anachian tale. And so when you think about this,
• 2:14:25
  Speaker 1: the antidiluvian world, the cataclysm that destroyed it seemingly overnight,
• 2:14:34
  Speaker 1: the great civilizations that existed back then, you see a
• 2:14:40
  Speaker 1: you see a series of parallels, and all the stories,
• 2:14:44
  Speaker 1: all the ancient stories, whether it be the the Sumerians,
• 2:14:49
  Speaker 1: whether it be the the ancient Egyptians, the Hebrews, the Greeks,
• 2:14:55
  Speaker 1: the Romans, there are parallels in certain details. Great civilizations
• 2:15:01
  Speaker 1: in habit of the earth, or at least a great civilization.
• 2:15:03
  Speaker 1: That doesn't necessarily mean that they had the kind of
• 2:15:07
  Speaker 1: technology that we have today. I think that's a mistake
• 2:15:10
  Speaker 1: that some people make when they're thinking about the Antiluvian
• 2:15:12
  Speaker 1: world and lost civilization. They think, well, that means that
• 2:15:15
  Speaker 1: there were scar scrapers and automobiles and aircraft and things
• 2:15:19
  Speaker 1: like that. That's not necessarily what it means.
• 2:15:23
  Speaker 5: And so.
• 2:15:26
  Speaker 1: I think it's very very interesting that you have all
• 2:15:28
  Speaker 1: of these parallels, a cataclysm, giants, you have a fratricidal
• 2:15:35
  Speaker 1: war that's discussed for example, you have the Vedas and
• 2:15:40
  Speaker 1: some of the ancient Indian origin stories. And another component
• 2:15:45
  Speaker 1: that you find everywhere is this idea that the gods
• 2:15:47
  Speaker 1: descended to the earth, commingled with human species, progenerated a
• 2:15:53
  Speaker 1: race of demigods in many accounts of giants who then
• 2:15:57
  Speaker 1: govern the earth, and depending on what version of the
• 2:16:01
  Speaker 1: story you're reading, they were either good guys or bad
• 2:16:04
  Speaker 1: guys leading up to the cataclysm that destroyed everything. You
• 2:16:08
  Speaker 1: know in the biblical account the Great Flood, and other
• 2:16:12
  Speaker 1: accounts record various kinds of cataclysm right all over the world.
• 2:16:17
  Speaker 1: So the question is, I think an intriguing question, is
• 2:16:22
  Speaker 1: is it true? I mean, are these basic constituents of
• 2:16:27
  Speaker 1: these stories? Is it true? And I happen to believe that.
• 2:16:35
  Speaker 1: I happen to believe that the Book of Enoch is
• 2:16:38
  Speaker 1: the beginning of the Book of Enoch. The oldest portion
• 2:16:41
  Speaker 1: of the Book of Noc, called the Book of the Watchers,
• 2:16:44
  Speaker 1: is the earliest account of the Antiediluvian world, and I
• 2:16:50
  Speaker 1: don't mean necessarily the Book of Enoch that we have today.
• 2:16:53
  Speaker 1: I mean the tradition of Enoch. Was there a manuscript
• 2:16:57
  Speaker 1: that Enoch wrote himself. Enoch was the seventh from Adam,
• 2:17:00
  Speaker 1: so he's one of those individuals on the Sumerian king's list.
• 2:17:04
  Speaker 1: I believe he corresponds to and den Moronkey. I can't
• 2:17:07
  Speaker 1: remember how to pronounce the name and the Sumerian name.
• 2:17:11
  Speaker 1: But again, you have this overlay with the pre flood patriarchs.
• 2:17:14
  Speaker 1: You have all of these details that correspond. Now we
• 2:17:18
  Speaker 1: have evidence of cataclysm. We're finding evidence of cataclysm, right,
• 2:17:21
  Speaker 1: we talked about the younger dry impact hypothesis. So are
• 2:17:26
  Speaker 1: some of the other details true as well? Or their giants?
• 2:17:31
  Speaker 1: Were there beings who descended to the earth in the
• 2:17:35
  Speaker 1: Antiediluvian world? Did they copulate with human women? I mean,
• 2:17:39
  Speaker 1: that's that's essentially the story of Enoch. Enoch begins with
• 2:17:47
  Speaker 1: this is first Enoch. Enoch begins with a company of
• 2:17:50
  Speaker 1: two hundred watchers. These beings that are designated as watchers,
• 2:17:55
  Speaker 1: and they are They're heavenly beings. And the watcher design
• 2:18:00
  Speaker 1: is not exclusively extra biblical. You find it in the
• 2:18:02
  Speaker 1: Book of Daniel in a very interesting scene in which
• 2:18:06
  Speaker 1: Holy Watchers are judging Nebukaneza, the Babylonian king, and they
• 2:18:12
  Speaker 1: sentenced him to a period of time of madness where
• 2:18:15
  Speaker 1: he's given the mind of a beast and he's eating grass,
• 2:18:18
  Speaker 1: and this is a judgment from the watchers. He's eating
• 2:18:21
  Speaker 1: grass like an animal, and his hair grows long, and
• 2:18:24
  Speaker 1: he's basically like a beast out in the field. The
• 2:18:27
  Speaker 1: haughty king of Babylon humbled in that way, And so
• 2:18:32
  Speaker 1: the watcher designation is you find it in Daniel, but
• 2:18:35
  Speaker 1: then in the Book of Enoch it's much more specific.
• 2:18:37
  Speaker 1: These are two hundred of these watchers. These are non human,
• 2:18:42
  Speaker 1: celestial entities. You could describe them as extraterrestrial entities. And
• 2:18:49
  Speaker 1: they they begin to lust after the daughters of men,
• 2:18:56
  Speaker 1: and they desire to progenerate family. They want to have families.
• 2:19:01
  Speaker 3: Do you think that this is a simplification of genetic
• 2:19:05
  Speaker 3: engineering and that this depiction of it is just you know,
• 2:19:10
  Speaker 3: like the game of Telephone, you're telling the old story
• 2:19:14
  Speaker 3: through oral tradition for a long period of time as
• 2:19:18
  Speaker 3: it gets relayed over time post flood, so you get
• 2:19:22
  Speaker 3: this sort of distorted version of what the actual event was.
• 2:19:26
  Speaker 1: I think it's possible there was genetic engineering involved.
• 2:19:29
  Speaker 3: Because we certainly look different than everything else on the planet.
• 2:19:33
  Speaker 1: Well, the Book of Enoch, that the at least the
• 2:19:36
  Speaker 1: Hebrew account both in the Book of Genesis, because there's
• 2:19:40
  Speaker 1: a verse Genesis six that says, now came to pass
• 2:19:44
  Speaker 1: that when men began to multiply in the face of
• 2:19:46
  Speaker 1: the earth, and daughters were born to them, that the
• 2:19:48
  Speaker 1: sons of God saw the daughters of men that they
• 2:19:50
  Speaker 1: were beautiful, and they took wives of all whom they chose.
• 2:19:53
  Speaker 1: There were giants or nepheline in the earth in those days,
• 2:19:55
  Speaker 1: and also afterward, when the sons of God came into
• 2:19:58
  Speaker 1: the daughters of men and they bore children to them,
• 2:20:00
  Speaker 1: these were the mighty men of old, the men of renowned.
• 2:20:03
  Speaker 1: That's the reference to the origin of giants and nepheline
• 2:20:07
  Speaker 1: in the Book of Genesis. And so in the Bible
• 2:20:12
  Speaker 1: you have these angelic beings, the sons of God, who
• 2:20:16
  Speaker 1: are lusting. They're looking down at the daughters of men,
• 2:20:18
  Speaker 1: they see that they're beautiful. The Book of Enoch is
• 2:20:21
  Speaker 1: even more explicit. The Book of Enoch says that the
• 2:20:23
  Speaker 1: angels of the watchers lusted after the daughters of men,
• 2:20:29
  Speaker 1: and they desired to progenerate families. So they descended. They
• 2:20:35
  Speaker 1: descended to the earth on the summit of Mount Hermon,
• 2:20:38
  Speaker 1: and they bound themselves by a pact of mutual imprecations.
• 2:20:42
  Speaker 1: In other words, we're all in this together. They knew
• 2:20:43
  Speaker 1: what they were about to do is going to be
• 2:20:46
  Speaker 1: very grave sin, so they bind themselves with an oath.
• 2:20:49
  Speaker 1: That's why Mount Hermon has been known since time immemorial
• 2:20:52
  Speaker 1: as the Mountain of Oath. Then they descended into the plains,
• 2:20:55
  Speaker 1: and they began to choose wives from among the daughters
• 2:20:57
  Speaker 1: of men with whom to copulate. But first these were
• 2:21:03
  Speaker 1: maidens that they intended to marry. And there was a
• 2:21:06
  Speaker 1: transaction that happened because in exchange for the for the
• 2:21:11
  Speaker 1: maidens hands in marriage, their fathers were given technology. So
• 2:21:18
  Speaker 1: the watchers taught men the knowledge that they were already
• 2:21:22
  Speaker 1: striving to learn. So there's and that's that's that's implied
• 2:21:26
  Speaker 1: in the text. It's not explicit, but it's implied because
• 2:21:28
  Speaker 1: the watchers give technology, and they give knowledge which results
• 2:21:31
  Speaker 1: in technology, and they get in exchange the maidens that
• 2:21:35
  Speaker 1: they desired to marry, and then they copulate with them,
• 2:21:38
  Speaker 1: they have sexual intercourse with them. The women conceive and
• 2:21:41
  Speaker 1: give birth to giants, and then these giants begin to
• 2:21:44
  Speaker 1: terrorize the earth. Maybe they're cannibalistic, they begin to devour men.
• 2:21:49
  Speaker 4: So maybe a hybrid sort of like a liger.
• 2:21:53
  Speaker 3: You know how a liger is a combination of a
• 2:21:56
  Speaker 3: tiger and a lion that's much.
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  Speaker 1: Larger, large. Yeah, but they can't reproduce. Yeah, so the
• 2:22:02
  Speaker 1: results you have these watchers, Yeah, their DNA mixed with
• 2:22:06
  Speaker 1: the DNA of human women produces giants. And and you know,
• 2:22:11
  Speaker 1: this story, by the way, is a tested in the
• 2:22:12
  Speaker 1: Dead Sea scrolls, not just in the Bible, not just
• 2:22:14
  Speaker 1: in the book of the Book of Enoch. Of course,
• 2:22:16
  Speaker 1: fragments of it were discovered among the Dead Sea scrolls,
• 2:22:18
  Speaker 1: but you find you find this story in for example,
• 2:22:22
  Speaker 1: you find it in the Book of Giants, the Book
• 2:22:26
  Speaker 1: of Jubilees, the Genesis, Apocryphon, and other texts as well.
• 2:22:30
  Speaker 1: And so is this story, as bizarre as it is,
• 2:22:34
  Speaker 1: is foundational to Hebrew cosmology. This is what the ancient
• 2:22:38
  Speaker 1: Hebrews believed literally happened, like this was a his in
• 2:22:42
  Speaker 1: their minds. This was a historical event. You go back
• 2:22:44
  Speaker 1: in time, you go into the Antidiluvion world, the world
• 2:22:46
  Speaker 1: before the flood. What are they envisioned. They envisioned the Watchers,
• 2:22:50
  Speaker 1: these gods living among men, copulating with human women, giants
• 2:22:56
  Speaker 1: who were who were cannibalistic. And then God decides intervene
• 2:23:03
  Speaker 1: because the giants are there's a very bad scene on
• 2:23:06
  Speaker 1: planet Earth and people begin to cry out petition heaven.
• 2:23:09
  Speaker 1: God decides to intervene, according to Enoch, and he dispatches
• 2:23:14
  Speaker 1: some angels and they One of the things that they
• 2:23:17
  Speaker 1: do is they set the giants against each other in
• 2:23:20
  Speaker 1: a fratricidal war. So they make the giants go to
• 2:23:24
  Speaker 1: war with each other. Now, when I envision this scenario,
• 2:23:30
  Speaker 1: playing with the idea here that this actually happened right
• 2:23:32
  Speaker 1: in the antidiluvian world, I don't imagine big dumb giants,
• 2:23:36
  Speaker 1: you know, boppying each other over the heads with clubs.
• 2:23:39
  Speaker 1: I imagine a technological war because what I see unfolding here,
• 2:23:45
  Speaker 1: and I think, again, this is implicit in the Anachian story,
• 2:23:49
  Speaker 1: is that the Watchers are essentially creating a dynasty. They
• 2:23:54
  Speaker 1: are building an empire called the Empire of the Gods.
• 2:23:57
  Speaker 1: In the antidiluvian world. They are each portioning the earth
• 2:24:01
  Speaker 1: among themselves, and their hybrids are ruling each of these kingdoms.
• 2:24:06
  Speaker 1: And then they go to war with each other. And
• 2:24:09
  Speaker 1: again I see this as a technological war, because I
• 2:24:11
  Speaker 1: don't believe that in the Biblical account, angels never have wings.
• 2:24:17
  Speaker 1: Only in prophetic iconography, but in the historical narrative of
• 2:24:22
  Speaker 1: the Bible, angels are never depicted with wings. They are
• 2:24:24
  Speaker 1: depicted as operating what I would describe as advanced aerospace vehicles,
• 2:24:31
  Speaker 1: the chariots of God, the charts of Yahweh, the charots
• 2:24:33
  Speaker 1: of Fire, variously denominated. And I think that these are
• 2:24:39
  Speaker 1: vehicles of conveyance. And so the Watchers when they descended
• 2:24:43
  Speaker 1: to the Earth, I think they descended to the Earth
• 2:24:45
  Speaker 1: in some kind of a vehicle, you know, like that, right,
• 2:24:49
  Speaker 1: So they would have the knowledge and there would be
• 2:24:52
  Speaker 1: some technology. And so when these when they're offspring, the
• 2:24:56
  Speaker 1: giants went to war with each other in this fratricidal war,
• 2:24:59
  Speaker 1: it would have been a technological war. Now, the reason
• 2:25:04
  Speaker 1: why I say that is because you have the story
• 2:25:07
  Speaker 1: of the Watchers as chronicled in the Book of Enoch,
• 2:25:11
  Speaker 1: but then overlay the story of Atlantis, you have the
• 2:25:14
  Speaker 1: same story. So, of course the story of Atlantis comes
• 2:25:17
  Speaker 1: to us from Plato's to Meis and Critius dialogue, and
• 2:25:21
  Speaker 1: he has a solon of Athens traveling to Egypt and
• 2:25:27
  Speaker 1: interfacing with the priests' of Sise and they tell him,
• 2:25:32
  Speaker 1: you know, you don't have any history that's hoary with
• 2:25:34
  Speaker 1: age and so forth, and then they begin to relate
• 2:25:36
  Speaker 1: to him the story of Atlantis, because they told him
• 2:25:38
  Speaker 1: that his ancestors were remarkable people. They were the Athenians,
• 2:25:42
  Speaker 1: and only they could resist the warlike Atlanteans. Right, and
• 2:25:46
  Speaker 1: then we get the story of Atlantis. How does the
• 2:25:47
  Speaker 1: story of Atlantis begin in Plato's dialogue, Well, it begins
• 2:25:54
  Speaker 1: with the gods apportioning the earth amongst themselves. That's how
• 2:25:58
  Speaker 1: it begins. So here are the gods dividing, divving up
• 2:26:01
  Speaker 1: the earth. They're going to create what I again describe
• 2:26:03
  Speaker 1: as an empire of the gods, divving up the earth,
• 2:26:07
  Speaker 1: and each one is going to take a portion of
• 2:26:10
  Speaker 1: the earth for himself. Poseidon, Plato tells us, gets the
• 2:26:14
  Speaker 1: area of Atlantis. And what does Poseidon do Well, he
• 2:26:19
  Speaker 1: becomes enamored of a human woman named Clato. He takes
• 2:26:23
  Speaker 1: her to wife, he copulates with her, she gives birth
• 2:26:27
  Speaker 1: to ten hybrid sons who become the kings of Atlantis.
• 2:26:32
  Speaker 1: And I think there's reasona believe that they were giants
• 2:26:35
  Speaker 1: in the myths. Atlas, for example, was chief among them.
• 2:26:39
  Speaker 1: So you have these ten hybrid sons ruling over Atlantis.
• 2:26:44
  Speaker 1: Then what happens then you have and presumably the other
• 2:26:47
  Speaker 1: gods did the same thing in other parts of the world.
• 2:26:50
  Speaker 1: Right They went out and married human women and gave
• 2:26:54
  Speaker 1: birth to hybrid offspring, which is of course what happens
• 2:26:57
  Speaker 1: in Greek mythology of a lot of these gods. They
• 2:26:58
  Speaker 1: progenerate hybrid offspring. Then you have a war that breaks out.
• 2:27:05
  Speaker 1: The Atlanteans become very warlike. They go on a campaign
• 2:27:09
  Speaker 1: and they're steamrolling everybody in their way until they get
• 2:27:15
  Speaker 1: to the Athenians and they are locked in this conflict.
• 2:27:21
  Speaker 1: So I'm hoping people are picking up the parallels here
• 2:27:23
  Speaker 1: with the Book of Enoch, with the story of Noch.
• 2:27:26
  Speaker 1: And in the midst of this conflict, what happens. Cataclysm
• 2:27:30
  Speaker 1: ensues Atlantis, but not just Atlantis Atlantis, and the insinuation
• 2:27:37
  Speaker 1: is everybody gets destroyed in a cataclysm. That erupts suddenly
• 2:27:45
  Speaker 1: and Atlantis is consumed in the waves and is no more. Well,
• 2:27:52
  Speaker 1: the whole point of the Egyptians when they're telling this
• 2:27:54
  Speaker 1: story to Solon, one of the points that they're trying
• 2:27:57
  Speaker 1: to convey to Solon is there have been any cataclysms,
• 2:28:01
  Speaker 1: world ending cataclysms, and every time a cataclysm happens, we
• 2:28:06
  Speaker 1: have to start over like children. Right. So, the parallels
• 2:28:11
  Speaker 1: between the Book of Enoch and I think it by
• 2:28:13
  Speaker 1: the way I think Atlantis, that Atlantis is an allegory
• 2:28:18
  Speaker 1: of the antidiluvian world in general. I think that there
• 2:28:22
  Speaker 1: was something like an empire of the gods in the
• 2:28:24
  Speaker 1: antidiluvian world. And I personally believe that that the Biblical
• 2:28:29
  Speaker 1: record is the faithful account of what happened in the
• 2:28:31
  Speaker 1: anti delivering world. And with the edition of the Book
• 2:28:34
  Speaker 1: of Enoch, because you cannot separate you cannot separate the
• 2:28:39
  Speaker 1: Enochian narrative the Anachic traditions from the Bible.
• 2:28:43
  Speaker 4: Well, Enoch is referenced in the Bible.
• 2:28:45
  Speaker 3: And the only reason why the Book of Enoch is
• 2:28:47
  Speaker 3: not in the Canada the Bible is because of some rabbis.
• 2:28:50
  Speaker 1: Right, Well, it's complicated So the Book of Enoch is
• 2:28:56
  Speaker 1: a compilation of texts and from the fourth century BC
• 2:29:01
  Speaker 1: to probably the first century AD. The tradition of Enoch,
• 2:29:06
  Speaker 1: I think is very old. I think the tradition of
• 2:29:09
  Speaker 1: Enoch that that story I just outlined, that tradition of
• 2:29:13
  Speaker 1: Enoch is the oldest story we have, the one upon
• 2:29:17
  Speaker 1: which all the other stories are based. That's my personal opinion. Now,
• 2:29:21
  Speaker 1: the actual Book of Enoch that we have today, the
• 2:29:24
  Speaker 1: only reason we have it is because it was preserved
• 2:29:26
  Speaker 1: in Ethiopia. That's the only reason we have the Book
• 2:29:29
  Speaker 1: of Enoch today Bible. The Ethiopians preserved it both the
• 2:29:33
  Speaker 1: the Beta Israel Jews, very very ancient Jewish community and
• 2:29:39
  Speaker 1: the tawa Haito Orthodox Christians.
• 2:29:41
  Speaker 4: Do you think they have the arc of the Covenant.
• 2:29:45
  Speaker 1: I think, let's put it this way. I think Graham
• 2:29:47
  Speaker 1: Hancock makes a very compelling case that they do. Have
• 2:29:50
  Speaker 1: you read his book Signed in the Seal.
• 2:29:52
  Speaker 3: The whole depiction of these people that are the watchers
• 2:29:55
  Speaker 3: of this thing. It cataracts because it has some radiation properties,
• 2:30:00
  Speaker 3: compelling narratives. Yeah, none of them live more than a
• 2:30:02
  Speaker 3: couple of years after they get the assignment.
• 2:30:04
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's I think it's a very strong possibility that
• 2:30:08
  Speaker 1: they do. That's crazy, it would be crazy. Yeah, And
• 2:30:11
  Speaker 1: I think that many people, including Graham, think that the
• 2:30:14
  Speaker 1: Ark of the Covenant was there's something technological about it,
• 2:30:17
  Speaker 1: something radioactive about it, but it is. It's interesting, though,
• 2:30:24
  Speaker 1: because you have the idea, at the very least, the
• 2:30:30
  Speaker 1: potential for technology in the antidiluvian world, right, advanced technology.
• 2:30:34
  Speaker 1: So what do I mean, Well, what if we're talking
• 2:30:37
  Speaker 1: about the watchers who descended the earth? Like I said,
• 2:30:39
  Speaker 1: the Hebrews believe that that actually happened, that that was historical,
• 2:30:42
  Speaker 1: That wasn't mythological to them, that was historical, that event, Well,
• 2:30:46
  Speaker 1: what if they did it arrive in something like that,
• 2:30:48
  Speaker 1: like a like a flying saucer? Right, what if there
• 2:30:52
  Speaker 1: was some level of technology introduced. But I don't believe
• 2:30:56
  Speaker 1: that it would have been distributed, broadly distributed, you know,
• 2:31:01
  Speaker 1: talking about like an advanced loss civilization. I don't think
• 2:31:05
  Speaker 1: that technology would be broadly distributed. I think that the
• 2:31:07
  Speaker 1: technology would remain in these family lines, in these dynasties
• 2:31:11
  Speaker 1: because their desire was to govern everyone. So I think
• 2:31:14
  Speaker 1: what we might be looking for instead of a technologically
• 2:31:16
  Speaker 1: advanced civilization, maybe a technologically advanced fraternity within civilization. You
• 2:31:21
  Speaker 1: see what I mean, like a group that was in
• 2:31:24
  Speaker 1: control of something advanced, but the rest of the people
• 2:31:29
  Speaker 1: maybe were Iron age or something like that or whatever,
• 2:31:31
  Speaker 1: Bronze age level, which is kind of a different perspective.
• 2:31:35
  Speaker 3: Well, we see that today, right, I mean, there's plenty
• 2:31:37
  Speaker 3: of people today that are uncontacted tribes that are living
• 2:31:41
  Speaker 3: like people live tens of thousands of years ago.
• 2:31:44
  Speaker 1: That's exactly right.
• 2:31:45
  Speaker 4: So it's not uniform even today.
• 2:31:48
  Speaker 1: Right, So we may so. I think that's why when
• 2:31:51
  Speaker 1: we think about was there a technologically advanced civilization in
• 2:31:54
  Speaker 1: the antig living world, in the world before the Great Cataclysm?
• 2:31:57
  Speaker 1: I think really what we're looking for. What I'm looking
• 2:31:59
  Speaker 1: for is a fraternity who were in possession of technology
• 2:32:05
  Speaker 1: that the rest of everyone didn't have. Maybe something like that.
• 2:32:09
  Speaker 1: Although I will say that I believe that the Antidiluvians
• 2:32:12
  Speaker 1: were much more remarkable than we are in every way.
• 2:32:15
  Speaker 1: I think they were physically more robust than we are.
• 2:32:17
  Speaker 1: I think that they were intellectually much more. They were
• 2:32:20
  Speaker 1: intellectually superior to us. As I was saying before, this
• 2:32:23
  Speaker 1: is how the ancients thought. Are their antecedents and so
• 2:32:26
  Speaker 1: when I look back on the timeline of history, the
• 2:32:29
  Speaker 1: further you go back all the way to those pre
• 2:32:33
  Speaker 1: flood patriarchs, you're looking at human beings who who were
• 2:32:39
  Speaker 1: so superior to us. I mean, certainly according to the
• 2:32:43
  Speaker 1: biblical account, they were living much much longer, almost a
• 2:32:45
  Speaker 1: thousand years. You're looking at human beings who we would
• 2:32:50
  Speaker 1: scarcely be regarded as as human like them, because they
• 2:32:54
  Speaker 1: would have been more human than we are, because we've degenerated.
• 2:32:58
  Speaker 1: So I see a generation. I see a devolution in
• 2:33:02
  Speaker 1: the human species. We started as something really really remarkable,
• 2:33:06
  Speaker 1: and we've been gradually devolving over time, so to speak,
• 2:33:09
  Speaker 1: we've been degenerating. I think that our antecedents are Antideluvian antecedents.
• 2:33:16
  Speaker 1: I think they were telepathic. I think that they had
• 2:33:19
  Speaker 1: these incredible abilities, capabilities that are perhaps latent in the
• 2:33:25
  Speaker 1: human species today.
• 2:33:26
  Speaker 4: Well that might have been why of these people has
• 2:33:28
  Speaker 4: such large heads in Peru.
• 2:33:29
  Speaker 1: Maybe maybe everybody had elongated skulls at one time. I
• 2:33:32
  Speaker 1: don't know, but I mean think about that though. I mean,
• 2:33:35
  Speaker 1: if you are see from a biblical perspective, Adam was
• 2:33:38
  Speaker 1: created for two fundamental reasons. He was created to govern
• 2:33:44
  Speaker 1: the earth. But more than that, he was created to
• 2:33:52
  Speaker 1: fellowship with the Maker, to commune with the Maker. He
• 2:33:57
  Speaker 1: was created for fellowship. So think about that. If you
• 2:33:59
  Speaker 1: were created to fellowship with the Maker, with God, you
• 2:34:05
  Speaker 1: would have some extraordinary capabilities built into your anatomy, into
• 2:34:09
  Speaker 1: your biology. You would be given the ability to interface
• 2:34:12
  Speaker 1: with the Maker, and not just with the Maker, but
• 2:34:15
  Speaker 1: with whatever else is out there as well. So from
• 2:34:19
  Speaker 1: the very beginning I think that mankind was imbued. Was
• 2:34:26
  Speaker 1: it was intrinsic in our design that we had all
• 2:34:30
  Speaker 1: of these these incredible capabilities. Maybe remote viewing, maybe, certainly
• 2:34:34
  Speaker 1: I would say telepathy, because telepathy is conversation with to
• 2:34:37
  Speaker 1: be of thought, right, I mean, we fumble around with words.
• 2:34:41
  Speaker 1: We takes us kind of a long time to try
• 2:34:43
  Speaker 1: and say what we mean. But what if what you
• 2:34:46
  Speaker 1: wanted to convey to me was done so instantaneously, How
• 2:34:50
  Speaker 1: much more could you convey? How much more information? How
• 2:34:52
  Speaker 1: much more efficient would that mode of conversation be?
• 2:34:56
  Speaker 3: Well, it certainly seems like if we keep evolving that's
• 2:34:59
  Speaker 3: the future, or if we keep developing better and better
• 2:35:04
  Speaker 3: versions of technology. One of the things that the gaps
• 2:35:07
  Speaker 3: we would bridge is elon said that, they said, we're
• 2:35:11
  Speaker 3: going to be able to talk without words.
• 2:35:13
  Speaker 1: Well, the problem is that our technology is getting better,
• 2:35:17
  Speaker 1: but our species is getting done, and.
• 2:35:19
  Speaker 4: Our biology is getting weak, is getting and we're poisoned weaker.
• 2:35:22
  Speaker 1: But it's not just because of poison. Yes, we poison
• 2:35:25
  Speaker 1: our environment, we poison our bodies, certainly, but I believe
• 2:35:28
  Speaker 1: that there, it's clear to me that there that we
• 2:35:31
  Speaker 1: have degenerating and we are degenerating. We are degenerating. So
• 2:35:38
  Speaker 1: and this is genetic degeneration. So we have what's called
• 2:35:41
  Speaker 1: mutational load. Human beings, all creatures, we have mutational load.
• 2:35:45
  Speaker 1: And mutational load is all of the deleterious mutations, all
• 2:35:50
  Speaker 1: of the negative mutations that happen in our genome. They
• 2:35:54
  Speaker 1: compile and it becomes this, it becomes this burden, this burden,
• 2:36:00
  Speaker 1: we have, all of these mutations that we're carrying mutational load.
• 2:36:04
  Speaker 1: And the further we go down the line, the more
• 2:36:06
  Speaker 1: mutational load we have. And again these are deletorious mutations,
• 2:36:10
  Speaker 1: So you get all kinds of problems from that. I mean,
• 2:36:14
  Speaker 1: we basically what it amounts to is we become less
• 2:36:17
  Speaker 1: and less and less impressive over time, and there's nothing
• 2:36:20
  Speaker 1: we can do you can't reverse that. You can't just
• 2:36:22
  Speaker 1: have a good diet and get and regain the capabilities
• 2:36:27
  Speaker 1: that we're lost. That's impossible. So we're declining, our technology
• 2:36:33
  Speaker 1: is ascending, we're declining. So what we're headed for essentially
• 2:36:37
  Speaker 1: is a post human future, a future in which we
• 2:36:41
  Speaker 1: have to we have to evolve ourselves out of this condition.
• 2:36:46
  Speaker 1: I would say, out of Adam into something else. And
• 2:36:50
  Speaker 1: I'm not in favor of that, by the way, I'm
• 2:36:52
  Speaker 1: not a transhumanist, but clearly this you have this conundrum
• 2:36:59
  Speaker 1: where we are are clearly getting dumber as a species.
• 2:37:02
  Speaker 1: There's no doubt about it. I mean, I saw I
• 2:37:04
  Speaker 1: can't reference it here, but I saw some data on
• 2:37:07
  Speaker 1: this the other day and it's astounding. It's kind of alarming.
• 2:37:13
  Speaker 3: And not only that.
• 2:37:16
  Speaker 1: We've realized and I try to remember the reference to
• 2:37:18
  Speaker 1: this book that's that details this, but the human species
• 2:37:26
  Speaker 1: is essentially becoming reproductively and viable. The sperm count of
• 2:37:30
  Speaker 1: males in the West is declining precipitously, as is our fitness.
• 2:37:36
  Speaker 1: So that is on the decline such that I think
• 2:37:39
  Speaker 1: the projection is in twenty forty five or something like that,
• 2:37:42
  Speaker 1: we're going to basically be reproductively and viable. We're going
• 2:37:45
  Speaker 1: to need a technological intervention like artificial wombs. Well, what's
• 2:37:50
  Speaker 1: happening right now, we're developing things like artificial wombs. So
• 2:37:55
  Speaker 1: it's very interesting that these two things are running in parallel.
• 2:38:00
  Speaker 1: We're degenerating, but our technology is increasingly getting better. So
• 2:38:05
  Speaker 1: the result of this is going to be what I
• 2:38:08
  Speaker 1: describe as posthuman apocalypse. I mean, we're headed for a
• 2:38:11
  Speaker 1: future that's not human. That's what you've all Noah Harari,
• 2:38:19
  Speaker 1: who's out there prognosticating that, I think he says in
• 2:38:22
  Speaker 1: one hundred and twenty to one hundred and thirty years
• 2:38:24
  Speaker 1: from now, there will be no more human beings left
• 2:38:27
  Speaker 1: on planet Earth. So why am I saying this Because
• 2:38:30
  Speaker 1: I'm illustrating that you go back in time, go all
• 2:38:34
  Speaker 1: the way back to the beginning. If you come from
• 2:38:35
  Speaker 1: a biblical paradigm, like you're the first man, Adam, the
• 2:38:40
  Speaker 1: prototypical man. He has all of the incredible capabilities that
• 2:38:43
  Speaker 1: are innate built into his system. He's communing with his maker,
• 2:38:48
  Speaker 1: he's governing the earth. He can do all of these
• 2:38:52
  Speaker 1: amazing things. And then as we become copies of copies
• 2:38:55
  Speaker 1: of copies of copies of copies of Adam all the
• 2:38:57
  Speaker 1: way down. We're gradually losing these abilities, but I think
• 2:39:01
  Speaker 1: that some of them are still latent in the human species.
• 2:39:04
  Speaker 1: And I think that explained remote remote viewing and telepathy
• 2:39:08
  Speaker 1: and things like that. I don't know how I got
• 2:39:11
  Speaker 1: on that.
• 2:39:11
  Speaker 4: Listen.
• 2:39:12
  Speaker 3: It makes a lot of sense, and it's a fascinating conversation.
• 2:39:15
  Speaker 3: And I enjoyed this very much.
• 2:39:18
  Speaker 1: I did as well.
• 2:39:19
  Speaker 4: Thank you very much for being here, Thanks for having.
• 2:39:21
  Speaker 3: Tell everybody if they want to get ahold of your stuff,
• 2:39:22
  Speaker 3: they want to find you, where they could find you
• 2:39:24
  Speaker 3: on social media, where they could find your website.
• 2:39:28
  Speaker 1: Timothy Alberino on social media, on Instagram, on x I
• 2:39:33
  Speaker 1: have a YouTube channel, Timothy Alberina. So I have a
• 2:39:35
  Speaker 1: book called Birthright, and I also published commentary on commentary
• 2:39:43
  Speaker 1: and introduction of the Book of Enoch with my friends.
• 2:39:47
  Speaker 4: We're gonna have to get to that.
• 2:39:48
  Speaker 1: That's a whole other conversation. I'm next time, we're going
• 2:39:51
  Speaker 1: to have to have that conversation.
• 2:39:52
  Speaker 4: I would love to love. Thank you very much.