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Ep. 65 : World Series and Allen & Ginter Previews · Cards & Categories

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  Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome everybody to episode sixty five of Cards
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  Speaker 1: and Categories. I'm Mike cool Aid from Rasball, joined as
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  Speaker 1: always by my very good friend Jeremy Brewer, also from
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  Speaker 1: ras Ball, and I'm gonna have to set you up
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  Speaker 1: for another apology because you've been cursing the heck out
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  Speaker 1: of all these playoff predictions so far.
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  Speaker 2: I think you said the Mets.
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  Speaker 1: Would pull it out, but the Dodgers pulled through and
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  Speaker 1: set it up for a great world series here coming up.
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  Speaker 1: So you want to issue apologies now to your Mets
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  Speaker 1: fans out there this week?
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  Speaker 3: No, yeah, no, I do apologize. I have been hating
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  Speaker 3: on the Dodgers all all all the playoffs, which was
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  Speaker 3: just means there's collateral damage along the way. I'm sorry
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  Speaker 3: Potters fans, I'm sorry Mets fans. If I'm the source
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  Speaker 3: of the jinks. First of all, I need to be
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  Speaker 3: redirecting my powers to good and second of all, we'll
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  Speaker 3: see how the predictions go later tonight as we go through,
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  Speaker 3: and what that means for the world series here. If
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  Speaker 3: I can control fate, New York, LA, you should be listening.
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  Speaker 3: I'll do what I can for you.
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  Speaker 2: Well.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, and especially anybody out there trying to get any
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  Speaker 1: sorts of predictions and maybe bets in of their own.
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  Speaker 1: This will be very important for you going forward, as
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  Speaker 1: the calendar felt really well for us this year in
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  Speaker 1: terms of being able to do a full World Series previews.
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  Speaker 1: So I think we're just gonna go ahead and dive
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  Speaker 1: right into that that, Like, we'll probably have little recaps
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  Speaker 1: of what happened in n all and CS and ALCS
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  Speaker 1: as we get into some of those previews, and then
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  Speaker 1: in the second half of the show today we're ahead
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  Speaker 1: of the game.
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  Speaker 2: We're actually not like.
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  Speaker 1: Talking about the base card release that's coming up of
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  Speaker 1: Allen and Ginter on release date. We're actually a couple
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  Speaker 1: of weeks out or one week out, so it comes
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  Speaker 1: out on October thirtieth. We are speaking on October twenty third,
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  Speaker 1: the Wednesday night, and so that'll give you a good
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  Speaker 1: just preview of what is in Allen and Ginter and
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  Speaker 1: give you description of all the oddities of it. It's
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  Speaker 1: a it's a really fun baseball card set, So stick
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  Speaker 1: around for that in the second half. But like I said,
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  Speaker 1: let's dive into previewing this World Series, because unfortunately we
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  Speaker 1: missed out on the boat on like being able to
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  Speaker 1: do this for the whole World series and giving our
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  Speaker 1: kind of brackets because of the way that the dates felt.
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  Speaker 3: But this will be.
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  Speaker 1: Fun getting into this matchup between the Dodgers and the Yankees,
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  Speaker 1: and I guess right off the bat, I'm just gonna
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  Speaker 1: hit you with the question of where do you fall
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  Speaker 1: in the continuum of the consternation that's out there in
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  Speaker 1: the public right now of like the two behemoths, like
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  Speaker 1: people hating on it or totally loving it to behemoths.
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  Speaker 2: It's like God'silla versus Kong. It's a fun time.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah. I I generally am not a big fan when
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  Speaker 3: one of the behemoths is there, but when they have
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  Speaker 3: to both show up and duke it out, I'm kind
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  Speaker 3: of for it. I'm kind of for watching, you know,
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  Speaker 3: two fan bases who tend to be very confident, if
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  Speaker 3: I can say that politically correct, and but also at
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  Speaker 3: the the ire of many other fan bases just due
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  Speaker 3: to the payrolls. I should have looked to see the
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  Speaker 3: payroll of this World series alone, of versus how many
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  Speaker 3: other you know divisions that they could buy. It's gonna
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  Speaker 3: it's would has to be pretty gushtarn impressive, but I
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  Speaker 3: think it's gonna be fun. I think you have the
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  Speaker 3: two behemoths, and both teams to degree have been trying
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  Speaker 3: to kind of rise from the ashes of of the
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  Speaker 3: the years many years ago. I know the Dodgers had
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  Speaker 3: their twenty twenty shortened World Series. You can have a
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  Speaker 3: little aster by that one, so but I think it's
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  Speaker 3: been since the late eighties since they they brought one
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  Speaker 3: home as well a full season, So I'm for it.
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  Speaker 3: I think it's gonna be fun. I think these two
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  Speaker 3: teams are actually pretty well matched, so I'm just ready
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  Speaker 3: for the fireworks. I don't watch you. Are you on
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  Speaker 3: the bandwagon watching these guys go at it? Or are
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  Speaker 3: you sad that we didn't get the Mets Tigers.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, I'm for both. Like, I think I'm in
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  Speaker 1: the same lane a little bit as you where. Like
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  Speaker 1: I don't necessarily like a incongruent mismatched World Series, but
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  Speaker 1: I am totally in favor of two titans matching up
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  Speaker 1: and giving us something like a Nadal Fedward just like
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  Speaker 1: heavyweight title or total hipster of like going like last
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  Speaker 1: year's Rangers Diamondbacks. You know, something totally out of left field,
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  Speaker 1: So either lane I think works well for me in
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  Speaker 1: my baseball interest, but I think just for the sport overall,
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  Speaker 1: and like there is a piece of me, especially given
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  Speaker 1: we were both growing up in the nineties, and it's
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  Speaker 1: obviously affected our procludies for card collecting a lot and
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  Speaker 1: in our aesthetics there, but it also I think has
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  Speaker 1: affected my esthetics for playoffs in what I look for.
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  Speaker 1: That like, we were treated to a lot of great
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  Speaker 1: playoff matchups throughout the nineties because of the introduced and
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  Speaker 1: introduction of the wild card in nineteen ninety three, but
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  Speaker 1: even before that, I mean, I mean, I have brief
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  Speaker 1: memories of like the ninety two World Series and ninety
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  Speaker 1: one like it I the it's it's the I forget
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  Speaker 1: what the call, but you know those memories where you
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  Speaker 1: like there's a certain name for them, where as a kid,
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  Speaker 1: you kind of imagine them into your brain just because
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  Speaker 1: like you know that they existed and like you were
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  Speaker 1: part of it. And like I think because you know,
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  Speaker 1: we've seen enough pictures of like the ninety one World Series,
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  Speaker 1: which was fantastic that like, I feel like I saw it,
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  Speaker 1: but I don't think I actually did, you know, but
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  Speaker 1: on top of it all, like the nineties featured a
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  Speaker 1: lot of Atlanta Braves and New York Yankees dynasties, so
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  Speaker 1: there is just something special. So I think about two
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  Speaker 1: really huge, really awesome franchises really you know, coming together
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  Speaker 1: locking horns, and it's great. I mean, we haven't had
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  Speaker 1: a Yankees Dodgers World Series since nineteen eighty one, so
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  Speaker 1: we're not exactly like in the boat to complain about
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  Speaker 1: this being the most common World Series matchup of all time,
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  Speaker 1: because we've missed so many of them throughout the forties, fifties, sixties,
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  Speaker 1: and so I'm really excited to just see. Also, you know,
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  Speaker 1: the cross country element to this, where they have to
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  Speaker 1: go from New York to La the two biggest metro
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  Speaker 1: areas within the United States. That it's just like there's
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  Speaker 1: something truly America and truly Baseball about this matchup that
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  Speaker 1: I'm really digging well.
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  Speaker 3: And I you know, if we make the connection to
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  Speaker 3: our second half here, you also have to say these
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  Speaker 3: are two of the probably most aggressive fan bases in
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  Speaker 3: the baseball card world as far as just you know,
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  Speaker 3: being willing to go out there and just turn the
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  Speaker 3: market upside down. You can go night tonight and just
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  Speaker 3: have whoever is the walk off star of the game. Uh,
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  Speaker 3: market can completely you know, double, triple, quadruple, whatever it
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  Speaker 3: may be, just because of the size of that market
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  Speaker 3: and the the collectibility of those teams, and so it's
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  Speaker 3: it's crazy to see how wide that market is for
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  Speaker 3: some of those teams. And so you do have a
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  Speaker 3: very very large contingents of folks that are going to
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  Speaker 3: be cheering for their team, and I think there's a
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  Speaker 3: large contingent just just tuning in because of the goliath
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  Speaker 3: nature of this. You got Otani versus Soto and maybe Judge.
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  Speaker 3: I don't know how you how you work that one in,
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  Speaker 3: but you you've got really this uh impressive, impressive uh
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  Speaker 3: heavyweight weight battle that I think everybody's gonna be tuned into.
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  Speaker 3: So I think it's gonna get a lot of viewership.
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  Speaker 3: I think it's gonna have some pretty cool stories, and
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  Speaker 3: I don't think this is one that's gonna just you know,
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  Speaker 3: go four or five games. I think we're gonna be
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  Speaker 3: in for quite the treat here.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I really hope so.
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  Speaker 1: And on top of at all, you know, we're looking
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  Speaker 1: at maybe watching five future Hall of famers between Otani, Freeman, Betts,
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  Speaker 1: Judge and Soto. So like you've got Cole is in
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  Speaker 1: there too, so six and I mean Stanton is creeping
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  Speaker 1: up by five hundred homers.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I saw the arguments were staying. I'm just not
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  Speaker 3: sure I mother yet.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, and on top of it all, you know, you
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  Speaker 2: could still get a really late Guyvin Lux breakout right.
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  Speaker 3: I was gonna stick with Luke Weaver, but you know.
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  Speaker 1: But yeah, that was a good call on the cards too.
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  Speaker 1: So like it is a good time to start going
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  Speaker 1: through these rosters and finding the back ends of those
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  Speaker 1: rosters that you know, you got to find some of
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  Speaker 1: your John Birdie rookie cards and your Kevin Kiermeyer rookie
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  Speaker 1: cards that might be buried in those boxes from long ago.
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  Speaker 1: That there's a possibility if they come up big, that
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  Speaker 1: those will shoot up overnight. We were just talking before
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  Speaker 1: the podcast. The Tommy Dmen prices have been through the
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  Speaker 1: roof since he won the NLCS MVP. So certainly if
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  Speaker 1: you are listening and have held any Edmin cards, go
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  Speaker 1: and dig those out, because I'm certainly about.
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  Speaker 2: To after this.
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  Speaker 1: The prices have really shot through the roof, and this
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  Speaker 1: is kind of like you get a one week window
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  Speaker 1: for some of these things, maybe even a couple of
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  Speaker 1: days depending on the level of the star. So you've
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  Speaker 1: got to act pretty quick. But if you are reasonable
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  Speaker 1: in your negotiations putting it on eBay that you can
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  Speaker 1: you can turn these cards pretty quickly.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, pretty quickly. And maybe if you have an old
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  Speaker 3: PC of players that haven't really worked out for your
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  Speaker 3: team and they've gone for glory elsewhere, thank you, Tommy Edmon,
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  Speaker 3: then maybe you can you can enjoy the playoffs just
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  Speaker 3: as much as ions.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, Okay, well, I think we will get into just
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  Speaker 1: breaking this matchup down piece by piece. So I figured
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  Speaker 1: we'd go through kind of like five major bullet points
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  Speaker 1: in terms of comparing their lineups, the starting pitching, their bullpens,
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  Speaker 1: their managers, and then any sort of X factors. So
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  Speaker 1: if this had been the Mets, like this is where
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  Speaker 1: the Grimace and the Wrizzler and all the other sort
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  Speaker 1: of like goofy mascot things that they had going on
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  Speaker 1: would go in there, Uh, can't do that with the
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  Speaker 1: Yankees and the Dodgers. They don't have any mascots. I
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  Speaker 1: think they're the only two MLB teams without a mascot.
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  Speaker 1: So there is a stuffiness I think to this overall
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  Speaker 1: world series like a hotty Toddy like nature in terms
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  Speaker 1: of the way that these franchises view each other view themselves.
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  Speaker 1: And maybe that is a little off putting to some,
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  Speaker 1: but win yours gives the Dodgers and the Yankees.
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  Speaker 2: You also earn it over time, you know, do.
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  Speaker 3: I need to shave my beard to be able to
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  Speaker 3: talk about this world series?
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  Speaker 2: Maybe when it moves to New York.
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  Speaker 1: So I think you can save that for Monday, Okay,
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  Speaker 1: all right, So yeah, we will get into Let's go
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  Speaker 1: through the lineups. So we've actually got the two top
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  Speaker 1: offenses from the twenty twenty four regular season. The Dodgers
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  Speaker 1: were number one with a one eighteen WRC plus and
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  Speaker 1: the Yankees were second with a one seventeen. We covered
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  Speaker 1: some of the big hitters in terms of those Hall
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  Speaker 1: of Fame names, So the Dodgers I think are rolling
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  Speaker 1: in the hottest of the two in terms of especially
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  Speaker 1: given how much they scored in that NLCS, and it
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  Speaker 1: was a pretty uninteresting NCS overall just because of the
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  Speaker 1: volume of scoring. The Yankees, on the other hand, are
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  Speaker 1: I mean they've been playing in colder weather and they've
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  Speaker 1: been facing a little bit better pitching staffs, especially with Cleveland.
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  Speaker 1: So it's not necessarily that they have a worst lineup
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  Speaker 1: that it's just that, you know, the path hasn't been
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  Speaker 1: congruent on each side. So for the Dodgers, you're looking
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  Speaker 1: at a lineup that will go Otani, Betts, Freeman, Muncie Jascar, Hernandez,
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  Speaker 1: Gavin Lux, Will Smith, Tommy Edmund, Enrique Hernandez, and so
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  Speaker 1: with that you also kind of see some shuffling with
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  Speaker 1: Nery Kuer Hernandez and his utility abilities that you know
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  Speaker 1: he will play some third base, and we got to
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  Speaker 1: see how Freddy Freeman is gonna be feeling. He's been
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  Speaker 1: nursing that that ankle over the past, you know, a
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  Speaker 1: couple of weeks, and it's been rough watching him. But
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  Speaker 1: there are times that the Dodgers will move Monthly over
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  Speaker 1: to first base and put Enrique Hernandez over at third,
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  Speaker 1: and then you get some spells in the outfield from
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  Speaker 1: Andy Pajaes and Kevin Kiermeier. Backup catcher is Austin Barnes,
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  Speaker 1: another utility man, and Chris Taylor over in the Bronx
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  Speaker 1: We've got a lineup that's been running Labor Torres, Juan Soto, Judge,
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  Speaker 1: Austin Wells, Gihn, Carlos Stanton, Jazz Chisholm, Anthony Volpi, Anthony Rizzo,
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  Speaker 1: Alex Berdugo. And then we've been seeing some you know,
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  Speaker 1: platooning between Austin Wells and Jose Travino, John Birdie and
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  Speaker 1: Anthony Rizzo, John Berdy, you know, give him that first
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  Speaker 1: crack at first base in his career during these playoffs.
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  Speaker 1: And then you got bench players in Osvaldo Carrera, Jason Deminguez,
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  Speaker 1: Trent Grisham. So pretty well rounded lineups on each side
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  Speaker 1: that you know, I'm not seeing too many holes when
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  Speaker 1: I look up and down. But is there one lineup
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  Speaker 1: that you are preferring over the other right now?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah?
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  Speaker 3: I mean, you're You're absolutely right. They are very very comparable.
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  Speaker 3: They are both you know, top lineups that they absolutely are.
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  Speaker 3: And so I if I'm going top to bottom, I'm
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  Speaker 3: probably leaning into the Dodgers right now.
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  Speaker 2: Now.
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  Speaker 3: As far as is that lineup concerned, you know, they
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  Speaker 3: they have been nothing short of impressive. They have I believe,
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  Speaker 3: seven hitters with the WRC plus above one hundred, so
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  Speaker 3: uh seven of the guys in the lineup, and that's
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  Speaker 3: in saying Freddy Freeman and Will Smith have not been
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  Speaker 3: doing that, and so that means all the other guys
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  Speaker 3: that I'll call them the quote unquote role players and
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  Speaker 3: Max Munseis and Hernandez's, Tommy Edmonds and de Pajes like
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  Speaker 3: all those as you're clicking on all cylinders right now
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  Speaker 3: and picking up where some of the big names have
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  Speaker 3: been struggling. And so if they're keeping that momentum and
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  Speaker 3: then Freeman's feeling a little better, you know, I think
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  Speaker 3: people have been down on Otani like saying that he
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  Speaker 3: hasn't been doing those off seeing the problem is they're
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  Speaker 3: literally walking him every time he gets up, and so
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  Speaker 3: you know he is on is on base percentage of
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  Speaker 3: four thirty four. It's only Max Monsey on the team
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  Speaker 3: of the four sixty eight. That's just because Max Max months.
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  Speaker 3: He's literally walking in a quarter of his plate appearances.
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  Speaker 3: And uh, it's Max Monsey doing Max monthly things. So
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  Speaker 3: I have to go with that lineup. I do think
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  Speaker 3: maybe from like a one to four perspective, the Yankees
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  Speaker 3: probably have a better lineup, which is I mean It's
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  Speaker 3: hard to say when you're talking Betts and a Tani,
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  Speaker 3: you know freemen here on one side, and then you're
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  Speaker 3: talking you know, Judge and Soto and you know over
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  Speaker 3: on the other side. I probably think it's a little
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  Speaker 3: stronger on that one to four of the Yankees, and
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  Speaker 3: I think that's that's really where it's gonna get interesting
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  Speaker 3: here to see from the Dodgers pitching, can they get
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  Speaker 3: through that top of the lineup and then you know,
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  Speaker 3: make make their ways with the bottom bottom of the
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  Speaker 3: Yankees lineup where it's just not been as as strong
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  Speaker 3: with Chisholm's definitely a struggle. Ford goes not been you know,
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  Speaker 3: you know, anything to right home about From a catching perspective,
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  Speaker 3: Austin Wells was really delivering with a negative one WRC plus.
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  Speaker 3: So that's that's what happens when you strike out forty
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  Speaker 3: two percent of the time in the playoffs. So you know,
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  Speaker 3: I think that it's gonna be a tale of one
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  Speaker 3: lineup that's a little deeper and the role players making
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  Speaker 3: a difference versus the Yankees a little top heavy right now,
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  Speaker 3: not necessarily in a bad way. They absolutely can get
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  Speaker 3: three guys on knock it in and score four runs
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  Speaker 3: on you in the first scene without any hesitation. So
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  Speaker 3: I'm taking the Dodgers by by a smidge Here, am
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  Speaker 3: I wrong or where are you aligning?
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  Speaker 2: I think I'm actually in the same boat that like.
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  Speaker 1: I think I do Dodgers by a little bit, mostly
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  Speaker 1: because I like the way that it flows a little better.
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  Speaker 1: That you know, you've got danger throughout that entire lineup
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  Speaker 1: one through nine and it can turn really fast and
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  Speaker 1: just a lot more contact, it feels like throughout that lineup,
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  Speaker 1: as well as just lots of really fantastic hitters from
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  Speaker 1: top to bottom. You know, the Taoscar Hernandez hitting fifth
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  Speaker 1: is going to be really huge for them. And Will
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  Speaker 1: Smith has started to show a little bit more over
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  Speaker 1: these past couple of weeks than he has over the
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  Speaker 1: back end of the second half. That like that I
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  Speaker 1: think is an important factor if they can get Will
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  Speaker 1: Smith going. We've seen Tommy Edmond has really been locked
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  Speaker 1: in in these playoffs, hence that NLCS MVP, and that
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  Speaker 1: gives them that switchy bat at the bottom. The Yankees,
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  Speaker 1: I will say that, like the Jazz Chisholm acquisition, this
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  Speaker 1: is where it's kind of it's really helping to be
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  Speaker 1: able slot him into six. Unfortunately, like I don't, Jazz
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  Speaker 1: is one player where like you can tell sometimes players
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  Speaker 1: that just can't play in cold, and Jazz looks like
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  Speaker 1: one of those that he just does not look comfortable.
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  Speaker 1: And I do wonder if maybe he finds a groove
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  Speaker 1: in Los Angeles that, like it reminds me a little
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  Speaker 1: bit of like Jose Bray, you just also has never
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  Speaker 1: beat it up well at the beginning of seasons because
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  Speaker 1: he just hasn't been able to adjust to that cold,
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  Speaker 1: and so like that could be a turning factor. I
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  Speaker 1: think for the Yankees, if they can get Chise home
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  Speaker 1: like going at all, then it does flip the coin
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  Speaker 1: for me. I think that, you know, if Jazz can
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  Speaker 1: be an important player for the Yankees and actually kind
• 17:35
  Speaker 1: of show that what he's capable of at the not
• 17:39
  Speaker 1: the top end, but you know, up there a little bit,
• 17:41
  Speaker 1: then it it changes the dynamics where you're not as
• 17:45
  Speaker 1: relying as much from Anthony Rizzo and Anthony Volpi and
• 17:48
  Speaker 1: alex Erdugo at the bomb of that Yankees lineup that
• 17:51
  Speaker 1: they only have to you know, poke a single or
• 17:54
  Speaker 1: get a walk to be able to turn things over.
• 17:57
  Speaker 1: It's also crazy that, yeah, we went through all that
• 17:59
  Speaker 1: and like barely touched on those Hall of famers that
• 18:02
  Speaker 1: are impacting these lineups that obviously that's gonna be.
• 18:06
  Speaker 2: Pretty huge portion of this series.
• 18:08
  Speaker 1: Jan Soto looks totally locked in and when he hit
• 18:12
  Speaker 1: that walk off three run bomb that it was peak
• 18:15
  Speaker 1: Soto and Otani's on the same boat for the Dodgers.
• 18:19
  Speaker 1: So it's like it's a matter of like it and
• 18:22
  Speaker 1: maybe that is part of it. Is like focusing on
• 18:25
  Speaker 1: the back end of these lineups is the most important
• 18:28
  Speaker 1: strategies as you're going in and evaluating them, because it's
• 18:31
  Speaker 1: how can you contain those guys and deal with the
• 18:35
  Speaker 1: damage that all of these big MVPs are gonna do
• 18:37
  Speaker 1: against you?
• 18:39
  Speaker 3: Yeah, because you know, you really you look at what's
• 18:41
  Speaker 3: interesting is that Yankees lineup. You have seven guys this
• 18:45
  Speaker 3: postseason are walking more than ten percent, like they are
• 18:49
  Speaker 3: getting on base, and that's gonna be hard. But if
• 18:53
  Speaker 3: it's the top guys doing that and then the bottom
• 18:55
  Speaker 3: isn't delivering, then you know, those light for the Dodgers
• 18:59
  Speaker 3: like it. It really comes down to I think a
• 19:01
  Speaker 3: lot of what the Yankees lineup's gonna bear against the
• 19:04
  Speaker 3: Dodgers pitching. I think it's a lot of the conversation
• 19:06
  Speaker 3: that we're going to run into here. I think the
• 19:08
  Speaker 3: Dodgers are gonna hit. I think the Yankees are gonna pitch.
• 19:10
  Speaker 3: I think they're gonna kind of, you know, go blow
• 19:12
  Speaker 3: for blow there. I think a lot of this comes
• 19:14
  Speaker 3: down to, you know, can the Yankees role players, you know,
• 19:17
  Speaker 3: string some things together and put some crooked numbers up
• 19:20
  Speaker 3: there against what we'll get into it the Dodgers pitching.
• 19:24
  Speaker 3: And I've said this the whole postseason, and the hitting
• 19:28
  Speaker 3: has proved me wrong, has been a little suspect, So
• 19:32
  Speaker 3: we'll see about that. But I do think that to
• 19:36
  Speaker 3: say that those role players are going to play a big,
• 19:39
  Speaker 3: big role in the World Series.
• 19:41
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and so we both got Dodgers for lineup.
• 19:44
  Speaker 1: Let's get into that starting pitching, because honestly, I think
• 19:47
  Speaker 1: this is probably the most lopsided one in terms of
• 19:51
  Speaker 1: what we're looking at that the Dodgers are currently slated
• 19:53
  Speaker 1: for the first four games to go Jack Flaherty, Yoshi
• 19:57
  Speaker 1: Nobo Yamamoto, Walker Buehler, and then game for their rotation. Uh,
• 20:02
  Speaker 1: that kind of already spells out where I think this
• 20:05
  Speaker 1: thing is going and the Yankees, on the other hand,
• 20:08
  Speaker 1: are throwing Garrett Cole, Carlos Rodin, Clark Schmidt, and Louis
• 20:12
  Speaker 1: Heel During the postseason so far, the Dodgers have had
• 20:16
  Speaker 1: a six to zho eight AR array. The Yankee starters
• 20:19
  Speaker 1: have had a three eighty nine AR array. I'm obviously
• 20:23
  Speaker 1: going Yankees here, but break it down a little further detail.
• 20:27
  Speaker 1: What do you think really gives the Yankees that upper
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: hand other than obviously the paper numbers that like, is
• 20:34
  Speaker 1: there a strategy that they can employ and leverage here,
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: because this is probably where the Yankee strength is compared
• 20:41
  Speaker 1: to the Dodgers.
• 20:43
  Speaker 3: Yeah, if you look at and I know we'll talk
• 20:45
  Speaker 3: a little bit X factors later, but I have to
• 20:47
  Speaker 3: get a little into it now. If you look at,
• 20:50
  Speaker 3: you know, the one spot within all the World Series
• 20:54
  Speaker 3: that you know, one player or one kind of set
• 20:56
  Speaker 3: of players could just dominate, it's the Yankees in the
• 21:00
  Speaker 3: rotation and to a degree the bullpen, which we'll talk about,
• 21:03
  Speaker 3: but it's Garrett Cole. And it comes down to Garrett
• 21:06
  Speaker 3: Cole is a workhorse and he is a big game pitcher.
• 21:10
  Speaker 3: He's not been amazing in the playoffs, he's been good,
• 21:13
  Speaker 3: but he's absolutely the guy that can go seven three
• 21:17
  Speaker 3: times in the World Series, Like there's you know, if
• 21:19
  Speaker 3: they need him to, they're and they're absolutely gonna try
• 21:22
  Speaker 3: to get that to you know, put him on a
• 21:23
  Speaker 3: short rest and try to get him the potential if
• 21:26
  Speaker 3: there's a game seven to go into it. So it's
• 21:28
  Speaker 3: it's very not inconceivable that Garrett Cole could go three
• 21:31
  Speaker 3: and zero during the World Series here and all they
• 21:34
  Speaker 3: have to do is find one other win. And you know,
• 21:37
  Speaker 3: if you look at it, it's not that they're incredibly deep.
• 21:40
  Speaker 3: It's like they have coal and then they have decent pictures.
• 21:43
  Speaker 3: After that they can stand up. They can kind of
• 21:46
  Speaker 3: hold his human check to see if that lineup can
• 21:48
  Speaker 3: do enough. On the Dodgers side, there's a heck of
• 21:50
  Speaker 3: a lot of potential, but nobody seems to really be
• 21:54
  Speaker 3: clicking on all cylinders right now. And that's the issues
• 21:57
  Speaker 3: that you know, so I look at, you know, really
• 22:00
  Speaker 3: down to you got a true number one that is
• 22:02
  Speaker 3: pitching like a number one and there's not a question
• 22:04
  Speaker 3: about that. And then you've got some Dodgers have a
• 22:07
  Speaker 3: few number one issues, one of bees and they're just
• 22:11
  Speaker 3: not pitching that way. I don't think it's the Clark
• 22:14
  Speaker 3: Schmidt's of the world, or at least Heels or anybody
• 22:17
  Speaker 3: know that's going to really make a huge difference here.
• 22:19
  Speaker 3: I think we're to see runs in those games.
• 22:21
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I think that makes sense, and I think
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: that's a that's a good point on these the starting
• 22:27
  Speaker 1: pitching for the Yankees. That the deeper that they can
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: go with those guys and get more out of them,
• 22:32
  Speaker 1: the less exposed their bullpen is. And that's I think
• 22:35
  Speaker 1: going to be a really important thing for this series
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: in terms of making sure that you're not exposing your
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: relievers to the other sides bats too often between like
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: either I was reading something in terms of not only
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: like Otani when they were seeing some of these pitchers
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: that were rolling through or no, actually it was actually
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: I think it was Soto who said against Cleveland, you know,
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: they were trying to figure out why the Yankees had
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: done so well against the Cleveland bullpen and even though
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: like you know, Soto had only faced some of the
• 23:11
  Speaker 1: top ends of that arms from Cleveland, that just seeing
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: them throw in front of you live, you know, like
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: against other players in seeing it from the dugout or
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: seeing it from the on deck circle. It just allows
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: you to see it in person as opposed to through
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: video or any of these prep machines that they have
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: where you can dial in the exact parameters of anybody's
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: pitch and get it thrown to you. And so I
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: think that is a that's an important thing to keep
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: in mind as we get into the bullpen usages here.
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: But yeah, I'm gonna flip over into that conversation now.
• 23:46
  Speaker 1: So in terms of the bullpens, the postseason eras have
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: been relatively similar. The Dodgers have had a three sixteen
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: array and the Yankees have had a two fifty six ERA.
• 23:57
  Speaker 1: So far in the postseason, the Dodger seven had to
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: use theirs in too high leverage of spots given that
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: the NLCS was lots of blowouts, but certainly leaned on
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: them plenty, including you know, clinching that last game of
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: the NLCS with an all bullpen game, planning for a
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: bullpen game in Game four. And then the Yankees, on
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: the other hand, have seen lots of high leverage work
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: because they've been battling with the Cleveland Guardians. We've got
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: to see lots of Luke Weaver, lots of Clay Holmes action,
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: lots of their kind of main guys throwing stressful innings
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: in the Championship series. So which bullpen do you prefer
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: out of the two that we've got presented here? And
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: what players are you looking for from those bullpens to
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: really maybe kind of shine and have stand up performances
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: in this world series?
• 24:48
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I think this is very very close
• 24:50
  Speaker 3: as far as the bullpens here, and so I'm going
• 24:53
  Speaker 3: to start with who I think is the most dangerous
• 24:56
  Speaker 3: pitcher here, and I do think it's Luke Weaver. I
• 24:58
  Speaker 3: don't understand, not necessarily, but if you watch and you
• 25:02
  Speaker 3: look at what he's doing, he looks unhittable, and sure
• 25:06
  Speaker 3: is there some luck in there, yes, absolutely, but that
• 25:09
  Speaker 3: the playoffs, it doesn't matter as long as you can
• 25:11
  Speaker 3: ride that luck train long enough. Luke Weaver has looked
• 25:14
  Speaker 3: incredibly dominant. But if you go like kind of top
• 25:17
  Speaker 3: to bottom bullpen, I think I have to go with
• 25:20
  Speaker 3: the Dodgers. And again, I think this is the theme
• 25:21
  Speaker 3: that we're seeing as far as the top ends on
• 25:23
  Speaker 3: the Yankees. Is the top end, but then they get
• 25:27
  Speaker 3: thin a lot faster for the Dodgers. I mean, you
• 25:31
  Speaker 3: get pretty deep at that bullpen, probably five six guys.
• 25:33
  Speaker 3: You got Blake training, you got Evan Phillips, Anthony Band
• 25:36
  Speaker 3: has been pitching well, Kopek has been pitching well, Daniel
• 25:39
  Speaker 3: Hudson's been pitching well. Brazier he's gotten knocked around a
• 25:43
  Speaker 3: little bit, but he's generally always been a solid pitcher,
• 25:47
  Speaker 3: and you're kind of looking for bulk things like that.
• 25:49
  Speaker 3: So they've looked really, really good in the Dodgers' bullpen,
• 25:54
  Speaker 3: and that's you know it. Can it last with with
• 25:57
  Speaker 3: the rotation is the question. And to your point as
• 26:00
  Speaker 3: far as seeing those arms, I think that that favors
• 26:04
  Speaker 3: the Yankees. As they get into the later games of
• 26:07
  Speaker 3: the series, they will see these arms quite a bit
• 26:10
  Speaker 3: because the Dodgers they're not gonna go deep into games.
• 26:12
  Speaker 3: They're gonna they're gonna try to get five out of
• 26:14
  Speaker 3: their guys with Flaherty, with Moto Bueler, they're gonna try
• 26:17
  Speaker 3: to get five innings out of them and then turn
• 26:19
  Speaker 3: it over that bullpen and try to string the innings together.
• 26:21
  Speaker 3: So if I'm taking a bullpen, I'm taking I'm taking
• 26:24
  Speaker 3: the Dodgers. But There's nothing against Clay Holmes the Weaver.
• 26:29
  Speaker 3: They are really good. I just don't think they're as deep.
• 26:32
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that's fair.
• 26:34
  Speaker 1: I actually I think I prefer the Yankees bullpen just
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: because I've liked what Weaver and Holmes and Kinlee have
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: shown so far. Jake Cousins is also a pretty solid
• 26:47
  Speaker 1: reliever in terms of that fastball slider mix. And then
• 26:50
  Speaker 1: you've also got Marcus Stroman just kind of like hanging
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: out there in long relief to be able to help
• 26:55
  Speaker 1: in terms of, you know, if if the Dodgers offense
• 26:58
  Speaker 1: blows up one of your starters, you can turn to
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: Stroman to be able to absorb some of those innings
• 27:03
  Speaker 1: and maybe even keep you in that game to allow
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: your offense to come back. I prefer the left handed
• 27:10
  Speaker 1: options in the Yankees bullpen too. You've only got one
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: lefty right now in the Dodgers' bullpen with Anthony Banda.
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: You get two between Tim Hill, who started the season
• 27:19
  Speaker 1: with the White Sox and got cut in the Yankees
• 27:22
  Speaker 1: bullpen and Tim Maza too. The other factor I think
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: of why I like the Yankees a little bit better
• 27:30
  Speaker 1: is it's more of like a nebulous thing in terms
• 27:33
  Speaker 1: of they're actually running one pitcher less on their roster
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: than the Dodgers are because of what we've talked about
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: in terms of some of the starting pishing issues that
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: the Dodgers have had. That gives them an extra bat
• 27:46
  Speaker 1: on their bench. And if we're talking about a tight
• 27:48
  Speaker 1: World Series that could go seven, could have extra innings
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: here and there, you want as many bats on that
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: bench to be able to mix and match as possible.
• 27:57
  Speaker 1: And the strength of the like overall bullpen, I think
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: for the Yankees allows them to do that a little
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: bit more. Where these guys I think are a little
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: bit more dependable as opposed to the Dodgers bullpen. There's
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: a there's a few question marks in there, you know,
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: I see that. You know, Daniel Hudson has been banged
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: up all year. Michael Kopek doesn't. You don't know which
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: Michael Kopek showing up at the yard at any given time.
• 28:23
  Speaker 1: Anthony Banda has you know, been up and down throughout
• 28:26
  Speaker 1: his career. Evan Phillips has gone through struggles this year
• 28:29
  Speaker 1: that like there, I just feel a lot more solid
• 28:31
  Speaker 1: rolling with that Yankees bullpen.
• 28:34
  Speaker 3: Yeah. Again, I think these are so close. I think
• 28:37
  Speaker 3: you you know, it's it's not gonna take much for
• 28:39
  Speaker 3: one of these to look good, and you're gonna end
• 28:41
  Speaker 3: up with those those bullpen games or something like that
• 28:43
  Speaker 3: where you string together two or three innings from each
• 28:46
  Speaker 3: lever and we look up and say, what happened? Uh So,
• 28:50
  Speaker 3: I think there's these These bullpens are going to play
• 28:52
  Speaker 3: a big, big role in this World Series.
• 28:55
  Speaker 1: All right, Well, let's get into the managers a little bit, which, Yeah,
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: this will be a fun one because we've got two
• 29:01
  Speaker 1: of the like most prominent managers in the game going here.
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: As we've got Aaron Boone for the Yankees spend their
• 29:07
  Speaker 1: seven years has gone six oho three four twenty nine
• 29:11
  Speaker 1: in the regular season. That's a five eighty four winning percentage.
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: Dave Roberts has been with the Dodgers for nine years
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: and he has an eight point fifty one and five
• 29:21
  Speaker 1: oh sixth record. That's a six twenty seven winning percentage.
• 29:24
  Speaker 2: That's insane.
• 29:25
  Speaker 1: That's part of it is buoyed by the twenty twenty
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: season when they had that seven seventeen winning percentage, winning
• 29:32
  Speaker 1: forty three out of sixty. But uh, you've got I
• 29:35
  Speaker 1: would say it's tough to put my finger on like
• 29:39
  Speaker 1: the right word for these managers because obviously they're they're
• 29:42
  Speaker 1: maligned in terms of like you're also playing in two
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: pretty large media markets. These are two managers that they
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: actually get mentioned on ESPN on like most in Major
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: League Baseball, so there's been a lot of scrutiny on
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: them as on top of like they're the Yankees and
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: the Dodgers. There's a lot of money spent on these teams.
• 30:03
  Speaker 1: There's a lot of expectations heaped on these managers, and
• 30:06
  Speaker 1: so they've taken their flack over the years, but those
• 30:09
  Speaker 1: records reflect that, you know, they've piloted these these franchises
• 30:14
  Speaker 1: in the right direction during their ten uears. Is there
• 30:17
  Speaker 1: one manager that you prefer over the other, either in
• 30:20
  Speaker 1: terms of demeanor or maybe that's the way that they
• 30:23
  Speaker 1: execute the game from a from a managerial standpoint.
• 30:28
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, it's it's tough to compare. To your point,
• 30:30
  Speaker 3: they're both I don't say figureheads, but you know they're
• 30:35
  Speaker 3: their role is to maintain and contain the team, make
• 30:41
  Speaker 3: sure that they're doing what they need to do, and
• 30:42
  Speaker 3: then get out of the way when they when they
• 30:44
  Speaker 3: do it. But you know, if I, if I have
• 30:46
  Speaker 3: to look at them, I think Dave Roberts has done
• 30:49
  Speaker 3: a little bit more with with less is kind of
• 30:52
  Speaker 3: the way I look at it. I mean, clearly, I've
• 30:54
  Speaker 3: been bashing on the yanking are the Dodgers the whole playoffs,
• 30:58
  Speaker 3: and he just keeps finding ways to get more out
• 31:00
  Speaker 3: of the role players, and he's playing the bullpen game. Well,
• 31:04
  Speaker 3: he's he's done all of those things Boone. I feel
• 31:08
  Speaker 3: like it's just been a little bit more of just
• 31:10
  Speaker 3: a straight to whack them wall approach and let the
• 31:13
  Speaker 3: Yankees go out there and hit do what they need
• 31:15
  Speaker 3: to do. And it hasn't been about the maneuvering. It
• 31:17
  Speaker 3: hasn't been about trying to get the most of the team.
• 31:20
  Speaker 3: And so I look at it from maybe a strategic perspective.
• 31:23
  Speaker 3: I think Roberts might be able to maneuver Boone to
• 31:27
  Speaker 3: a degree. And I also like that Roberts tends to
• 31:30
  Speaker 3: be a little more even keeled than Boone, who can
• 31:32
  Speaker 3: be a little bit of hot head. And I think
• 31:37
  Speaker 3: in the World Series, like you know, the hot head
• 31:39
  Speaker 3: personality is not needed. I don't think that that's you know,
• 31:41
  Speaker 3: going to motivate the team, like you're already there, Like
• 31:44
  Speaker 3: what other motivations you need? I don't think that that's
• 31:46
  Speaker 3: necessarily what's going to drive anybody to their ultimate best potential.
• 31:50
  Speaker 3: So if I have to pick Dave Roberts, but I
• 31:54
  Speaker 3: don't know that I really see either manager being a
• 31:56
  Speaker 3: X factor, a Y factor, or any factor ultimately for
• 32:00
  Speaker 3: that matter. I think that there along for the ride,
• 32:02
  Speaker 3: they set the lineup and hope for the best.
• 32:04
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and the number supports you on Aaron Boone being
• 32:08
  Speaker 1: a hot head. He has thirty nine ejections in one
• 32:11
  Speaker 1: thirty two career regular season games. Dave Roberts only has
• 32:15
  Speaker 1: twelve in thirteen hundred and fifty eight. So that's a
• 32:22
  Speaker 1: pretty significant ratio there for Aaron Boone. I'll just partly
• 32:27
  Speaker 1: for to be a foil and a little bit of
• 32:30
  Speaker 1: like I think I do give Aaron Boone a little
• 32:32
  Speaker 1: bit of the edge here because there is I think
• 32:36
  Speaker 1: that fieriness works within the Yankee system that like sometimes
• 32:41
  Speaker 1: especially like Aaron Judge as he's kind of started molding
• 32:44
  Speaker 1: into like this Derek jeter Land media personality, like where
• 32:50
  Speaker 1: he just says like all those captain things about winning
• 32:53
  Speaker 1: and just like has the boiler kind of corporate Yankees
• 32:59
  Speaker 1: worded of everything that he says to the media, Boone
• 33:02
  Speaker 1: mixes it up a little bit and it kind of
• 33:04
  Speaker 1: stirs the pot. I think can actually motivate his team
• 33:08
  Speaker 1: a little bit more than Dave Roberts can, because, like
• 33:11
  Speaker 1: you know, if they are down and just.
• 33:14
  Speaker 2: The mood of the overall.
• 33:17
  Speaker 1: Dugout is not in a good spot, Boone can actually
• 33:21
  Speaker 1: motivate them and maybe like a little bit of like
• 33:24
  Speaker 1: I think of like the Jason Hayward, you know, myth
• 33:27
  Speaker 1: with I guess it's not a myth, it's like truth,
• 33:30
  Speaker 1: but it is built into a legend in terms of
• 33:32
  Speaker 1: what he did to motivate the twenty sixteen Cubs during
• 33:35
  Speaker 1: that rain delay in Game seven where he just kind
• 33:38
  Speaker 1: of took the team together and fired them all up.
• 33:41
  Speaker 1: That you're looking for that kind of personality, I think
• 33:43
  Speaker 1: more so have a manager, and I think Boone can
• 33:46
  Speaker 1: do that for me. Would be cool if he also
• 33:48
  Speaker 1: got ejected the World Series.
• 33:49
  Speaker 2: I don't think he's going to go.
• 33:50
  Speaker 1: That far, but he does love to like also just
• 33:53
  Speaker 1: pick in prod at the umps that I think it
• 33:55
  Speaker 1: works that the Yankees get just slightly more calls. It
• 33:59
  Speaker 1: feels like because of that that, like, if you've got
• 34:02
  Speaker 1: Boone chirpin' atch you constantly you're gonna take that into
• 34:06
  Speaker 1: consideration as an ump, even if you're trying not to,
• 34:09
  Speaker 1: just because I mean, we're all human at the end
• 34:11
  Speaker 1: of the day.
• 34:11
  Speaker 2: So I'm gonna lean Aaron Boone here.
• 34:14
  Speaker 3: All right, Well, I'm glad that we're not fully agreeing
• 34:17
  Speaker 3: on anything. We'll see how were we enough of the
• 34:19
  Speaker 3: total decision here? But I'll give you that one. It's
• 34:24
  Speaker 3: you make a good argument, yes, thank you.
• 34:27
  Speaker 1: Well, you mentioned your X factor a little bit earlier
• 34:31
  Speaker 1: in terms of that starting rotation matchup between Cole and Yamamoto.
• 34:36
  Speaker 1: Was there maybe another X factor or a kind of
• 34:39
  Speaker 1: you know, random thing that might apply here that you know,
• 34:43
  Speaker 1: could give one team an edge or the other.
• 34:46
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean I think you go back to that
• 34:47
  Speaker 3: role player discussion with specifically the Dodgers, and it's just
• 34:53
  Speaker 3: a matter of who's up next, is kind of the
• 34:55
  Speaker 3: way I'm looking at with the Dodgers, you know, is
• 34:57
  Speaker 3: it gonna be? You know, this does feel like it's
• 34:59
  Speaker 3: gonna one of those like a Keky Hernandez or a
• 35:03
  Speaker 3: Chris Taylor or Max Munsey, like the old old Dodgers
• 35:09
  Speaker 3: guys are gonna come through and and just go crazy.
• 35:12
  Speaker 3: I wouldn't be shocked to see, like I said, Max
• 35:15
  Speaker 3: Munsey taking advantage of that short porch there in Yankee
• 35:18
  Speaker 3: Stadium and all of a sudden, just you know, hitting
• 35:21
  Speaker 3: four homers in the series and riding off to an MVP.
• 35:24
  Speaker 3: I like I said, I do think the X factors
• 35:26
  Speaker 3: is gonna be the starting pitcher of the Number ones.
• 35:28
  Speaker 3: I think that's where the series is gonna be made.
• 35:30
  Speaker 3: But if I would pick a secondary X factor, I'm
• 35:35
  Speaker 3: gonna say it's Max Munsey is gonna be my my,
• 35:39
  Speaker 3: my ex factor there. It's just because it just seems
• 35:41
  Speaker 3: like he's that guy. He's that guy that just shows
• 35:43
  Speaker 3: up in the weird, big spots and then does big things.
• 35:47
  Speaker 3: And that ballpark in New York, it's gonna mix. Max
• 35:51
  Speaker 3: Months is gonna like.
• 35:53
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think so yeah, that's a good point with
• 35:55
  Speaker 1: that short porch. So I think one fact sure I've
• 36:00
  Speaker 1: got to bring up is the Will Smith factor. So
• 36:03
  Speaker 1: Will Smith has won a World Series each of the
• 36:06
  Speaker 1: last three years.
• 36:07
  Speaker 2: Uh A, Will Smith. I guess I should say.
• 36:10
  Speaker 1: I was just saying, like, yeah, I butchered that joke
• 36:15
  Speaker 1: a little bit, but uh, but that the one that's
• 36:18
  Speaker 1: won the past three World Series has been the reliever,
• 36:21
  Speaker 1: Will Smith.
• 36:22
  Speaker 2: We could keep that street going here.
• 36:24
  Speaker 1: If Will Smith, the catcher for the Dodgers, wins the
• 36:26
  Speaker 1: World Series, that we have four straight years of a
• 36:28
  Speaker 1: Will Smith winning the World Series. So you can't underestimate
• 36:32
  Speaker 1: that kind of voodoo magic, especially with Tommy ed Been
• 36:35
  Speaker 1: being introduced to this series as well. But obviously that's
• 36:38
  Speaker 1: already countered by Luke Weaver. So the double magic cancels
• 36:43
  Speaker 1: out there.
• 36:43
  Speaker 3: Wh there's there's a Jack Flaherty Tommy Edmond versus loop,
• 36:47
  Speaker 3: you might have double voodoo magic there for the Dodgers.
• 36:51
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and if there is, there's rumblings of Joe Kelly
• 36:55
  Speaker 1: maybe making this roster. If that happens too, I'm glad
• 37:02
  Speaker 1: we're on the same page there. I think the other
• 37:05
  Speaker 1: one is I mean it was in consideration a little
• 37:08
  Speaker 1: bit when I was picking that lineup. I didn't go
• 37:10
  Speaker 1: into detailing too much, but I think the defense for
• 37:13
  Speaker 1: the Dodgers is a tick better just around the horn.
• 37:17
  Speaker 1: And when you can bring Kevin Kiermarer off the bench
• 37:20
  Speaker 1: to play center field for you in big moments. I
• 37:23
  Speaker 1: think that's gonna be a huge momentum shifter. So I
• 37:26
  Speaker 1: think that could be an ex factor here too, that
• 37:29
  Speaker 1: the Dodgers have that slight edge I think on the
• 37:32
  Speaker 1: defensive end too. So we've gotten to the end of
• 37:35
  Speaker 1: the preview here, what's your pick for who's gonna win
• 37:39
  Speaker 1: this series and how many games?
• 37:41
  Speaker 3: Well, I wouldn't be consistent if I wasn't continuing down
• 37:45
  Speaker 3: the path, and so I will be right at some
• 37:47
  Speaker 3: point of this playoff series, and I'm going to take
• 37:51
  Speaker 3: the Yankees. I'm gonna take the Yankees in seven. I'm
• 37:55
  Speaker 3: going Garrett Cole as your MVP for the World Series.
• 37:59
  Speaker 3: I think he is going to be the story of
• 38:00
  Speaker 3: the World Series. He's gonna do some damage. He's gonna
• 38:04
  Speaker 3: get three starts in and he's gonna go deep in
• 38:05
  Speaker 3: each one of them. So I'm going with the Yankees
• 38:07
  Speaker 3: here and on the on the coattails of the back
• 38:11
  Speaker 3: of Garrett Cole. Tell me I'm wrong, Tell me I
• 38:14
  Speaker 3: should have taken the Dodgers. I am sticking to my guns.
• 38:16
  Speaker 1: Though, No, I mean, I think I'm gonna go Dodgers
• 38:19
  Speaker 1: and seven that like, I think the lineup is just
• 38:23
  Speaker 1: too deep and they just figure out a way to
• 38:27
  Speaker 1: get the pitching to work.
• 38:28
  Speaker 2: You know, you only need.
• 38:29
  Speaker 1: A one or two good starts from Yamamoto and Flaherty
• 38:33
  Speaker 1: in this series and then can try to piece it
• 38:35
  Speaker 1: together from there. That I think they're gonna also just
• 38:39
  Speaker 1: kind of bash their way to it in terms of
• 38:43
  Speaker 1: it's a crazy good lineup. And I mean, I just
• 38:47
  Speaker 1: can't discount show Heyo Tani and playing in his worth
• 38:50
  Speaker 1: first world series.
• 38:51
  Speaker 2: So I'm going Dodgers in seven.
• 38:54
  Speaker 3: All right, Well, at least we agreed on something. It's
• 38:56
  Speaker 3: gonna be seven games.
• 38:57
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I hope, so, I hope it's a
• 39:00
  Speaker 1: It's been a great playoffs, and I hope that this
• 39:02
  Speaker 1: is really the capstone for it all. So, yeah, we're
• 39:05
  Speaker 1: going to take a short break, but then we will
• 39:07
  Speaker 1: return to talk about one of the newest TOPS releases
• 39:11
  Speaker 1: that's coming out next week, and that is twenty twenty
• 39:13
  Speaker 1: four Allen and Ginter. Stick around, all right, Welcome back, everybody.
• 39:33
  Speaker 1: We are going to talk about the new release coming
• 39:37
  Speaker 1: out on October thirtieth from Tops twenty twenty four Allen
• 39:40
  Speaker 1: and Ginter. And so this is fun because it's one
• 39:45
  Speaker 1: of the first series overviews that we did when we've
• 39:49
  Speaker 1: launched this podcast last year that if you go all
• 39:51
  Speaker 1: the way back to episode eleven, that was our recap
• 39:54
  Speaker 1: of the twenty twenty three set release. And so that's
• 39:58
  Speaker 1: a good spot to also get a a little more
• 40:00
  Speaker 1: background on Alan and Ginter overall. But we'll dive into
• 40:03
  Speaker 1: it here a little bit. In terms of just the
• 40:06
  Speaker 1: eclectic nature of what Alan and Ginter is.
• 40:08
  Speaker 2: It's meant to.
• 40:11
  Speaker 1: Parking back to old tobacco cards. That was what Alan
• 40:15
  Speaker 1: Ginter was back in like the eight late eighteen hundreds,
• 40:19
  Speaker 1: that when you would go and buy the pack of cigarettes,
• 40:22
  Speaker 1: you would get the tobacco cards within them, and they
• 40:24
  Speaker 1: would have all sorts of just kind of strange pictures,
• 40:28
  Speaker 1: I would say, like in terms of like you know, animals, events, places, eventually,
• 40:35
  Speaker 1: baseball players, cowboys, like all sorts of just famous people's odds,
• 40:42
  Speaker 1: oddities and figures in life that like, that's what you've
• 40:46
  Speaker 1: got here in Alan Ginter. So not only is it
• 40:48
  Speaker 1: a baseball card like set, it's also got lots of
• 40:53
  Speaker 1: celebrities included. It's got inserts with food, with animals, with mountains,
• 41:00
  Speaker 1: and all sorts of just like really fun nuggets to
• 41:04
  Speaker 1: pull that. I think it's one of the favorites out
• 41:07
  Speaker 1: there for really hardcore collectors that it's a it's a
• 41:10
  Speaker 1: huge set.
• 41:11
  Speaker 2: It's also a huge checklist.
• 41:12
  Speaker 1: You've got a three hundred and fifty cards in the
• 41:14
  Speaker 1: base set. That's three hundred commons and then fifty short
• 41:18
  Speaker 1: prints that are tacked onto the back of that and
• 41:21
  Speaker 1: the inserts.
• 41:22
  Speaker 2: It goes for days.
• 41:23
  Speaker 1: So we'll get into that a little bit in terms
• 41:25
  Speaker 1: of what our favorite inserts and stuff are, but brew
• 41:29
  Speaker 1: what where is like Allen and Ginter rank for you
• 41:32
  Speaker 1: in terms of like sets that come out every year
• 41:34
  Speaker 1: and what kind of like pieces of whimsy really stand
• 41:37
  Speaker 1: out for you when you think of Alan and Ginter.
• 41:40
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's it's I'm gonna say it's mid tier for me.
• 41:43
  Speaker 3: It's it's not the flagships, it's not the ones that
• 41:45
  Speaker 3: you have to have, but it's but it kind of
• 41:48
  Speaker 3: sits there with kind of your Tops holiday in a
• 41:52
  Speaker 3: fun rip. We used to be in the Tops opening
• 41:54
  Speaker 3: day there too, but doesn't really exist anymore, and so
• 41:59
  Speaker 3: it fits there and kind of a fun, gimmicky rip
• 42:02
  Speaker 3: that even the thing I love about it, which is
• 42:05
  Speaker 3: kind of a similar thing I love about Top Stadium
• 42:09
  Speaker 3: Club is it's just really fun and interesting to rip,
• 42:13
  Speaker 3: even if the value doesn't stick around things like that.
• 42:15
  Speaker 3: And I also love the old card stock that that
• 42:19
  Speaker 3: these are generally come on. It's the it's not the
• 42:21
  Speaker 3: shiny foils, it's not things like that. It's more old school, hard,
• 42:25
  Speaker 3: hard card stock. So I think it's fun. And the
• 42:29
  Speaker 3: thing that really gets me is, I I really don't
• 42:32
  Speaker 3: care for almost any other set when they go outside
• 42:35
  Speaker 3: the sport, but for some reason, when Alan Ginter does it,
• 42:39
  Speaker 3: it's fine. I think it's fun. And I even like
• 42:42
  Speaker 3: the fact that they stretch the sport a little bit
• 42:45
  Speaker 3: and they get into you know, all these celebrities or
• 42:50
  Speaker 3: maybe coaches or things like that that there's just some
• 42:53
  Speaker 3: uniqueness about them. And I think it was like justin Siegel,
• 42:56
  Speaker 3: like the Giants Coach, where you have like a relic
• 43:00
  Speaker 3: in one of the sets, you know, things like that.
• 43:03
  Speaker 3: There's just these very interesting stories about baseball that you
• 43:07
  Speaker 3: can grab, and there's always these very odd grail cards
• 43:10
  Speaker 3: in there that you don't realize you're gonna be grail
• 43:12
  Speaker 3: cards until it's too late, and I think that's just
• 43:14
  Speaker 3: part of the beauty of the set. You just literally
• 43:17
  Speaker 3: have no idea what you have the whole time. So
• 43:20
  Speaker 3: I got a mid tier. It's a fun set to open.
• 43:22
  Speaker 3: It's an accessible set, So I do enjoy Allen and Ginter.
• 43:26
  Speaker 3: I don't know what about you. Where where does it
• 43:28
  Speaker 3: sit in your heart?
• 43:30
  Speaker 2: Yeah?
• 43:30
  Speaker 1: I think in kind of the same spot where it's
• 43:33
  Speaker 1: fun from, like more of the card collecting side than
• 43:37
  Speaker 1: it is like just the peer baseball nerd side that
• 43:39
  Speaker 1: I think I approach card collecting from a lot, so
• 43:43
  Speaker 1: especially like when you're ripping open Alan Gintery, Like you'll
• 43:47
  Speaker 1: notice on the backs, it's not your traditional back of
• 43:50
  Speaker 1: a baseball card where you've got just an entire litany
• 43:54
  Speaker 1: of stats and in terms of like you know what
• 43:57
  Speaker 1: they've done throughout their careers, the players, but also you
• 44:00
  Speaker 1: know their measurements and where they're from and a nugget
• 44:04
  Speaker 1: of like trivia that follows them. That it's a much
• 44:07
  Speaker 1: more basic back where you know, you get just like
• 44:10
  Speaker 1: one little line on the player and the front. The
• 44:14
  Speaker 1: design is always muted in terms of it's like I said,
• 44:18
  Speaker 1: hearkening back to those really old tobacco cards. So it's
• 44:22
  Speaker 1: got a much more simplified design where the border this
• 44:27
  Speaker 1: year is a little bit honestly like controversial, I would
• 44:30
  Speaker 1: say in terms of like Allen and Ginter collectors, because
• 44:33
  Speaker 1: the old school Allen and Ginter cards they didn't have
• 44:38
  Speaker 1: like a border like that. The way that it almost
• 44:41
  Speaker 1: feels like they're kind to shoehorn a little bit of
• 44:43
  Speaker 1: like reviving Gypsy Queen here into back into Allen and
• 44:48
  Speaker 1: Ginter with this border design that like I've seen some
• 44:51
  Speaker 1: people not like it. I'm not that hardcore of like
• 44:53
  Speaker 1: an Allen and Ginter tobacco card guy, so like it
• 44:56
  Speaker 1: doesn't make a huge difference to me, but you did
• 44:59
  Speaker 1: hit on, like when you are getting into some of
• 45:03
  Speaker 1: the whimsy of like the inserts and celebrities that are
• 45:06
  Speaker 1: included in the set. This is the set where it's
• 45:09
  Speaker 1: four it's Allen Ginter is designed for that. That's where
• 45:13
  Speaker 1: the history of the Allen and Ginter cards like comes
• 45:18
  Speaker 1: from Beck in the late eighteen hundreds. So that is
• 45:22
  Speaker 1: it feels right and it makes it really fun. So
• 45:25
  Speaker 1: you get all sorts of different types of cards in
• 45:28
  Speaker 1: terms of baseball, different sports, celebrities, so on and so forth,
• 45:32
  Speaker 1: but shapes, sizes, materials, it's got the most variety of
• 45:38
  Speaker 1: any of the sets. And it's just like it's endlessly
• 45:41
  Speaker 1: fun to rip. Doesn't hold a lot of great value,
• 45:43
  Speaker 1: but it's a fun collection sort of set, and especially
• 45:48
  Speaker 1: like it's an accessible set if you're looking for something
• 45:52
  Speaker 1: to get into for the first time, I would say
• 45:56
  Speaker 1: it's like a tick more expensive than Flagship, but you're
• 46:00
  Speaker 1: not encroaching on anything like chrome or anything like that.
• 46:03
  Speaker 1: And so on top of it, you should also have
• 46:06
  Speaker 1: retail boxes available in those blaster boxes, and you'll also
• 46:11
  Speaker 1: have hobby boxes that will be available in your hobby shops. Okay,
• 46:17
  Speaker 1: well with that, let's get into some of the checklist stuff.
• 46:20
  Speaker 1: So we've got the standard rookies that we kind of
• 46:24
  Speaker 1: went over last week with tops update that you know,
• 46:27
  Speaker 1: you got your pul schemes, your white Langfords or Jackson Churio's,
• 46:31
  Speaker 1: all sorts of the big guys are in this set
• 46:33
  Speaker 1: because it released so late, and any other kind of
• 46:37
  Speaker 1: like celebrity or fun cards from the base set that
• 46:41
  Speaker 1: really stand out to you before we get into the inserts,
• 46:45
  Speaker 1: and really like the whole side show and circus of
• 46:48
  Speaker 1: what Alan in Ginter is.
• 46:50
  Speaker 3: Yeah, so I think one of the areas I always
• 46:53
  Speaker 3: like to kind of focus in on are the unique
• 46:56
  Speaker 3: relics and the players that come into there. So we
• 47:00
  Speaker 3: have to jump in and name a few of those
• 47:02
  Speaker 3: off off the top. And I won't hit the whole
• 47:06
  Speaker 3: list of all the crazy names, but just to name
• 47:10
  Speaker 3: a few where you really there's uh Ginter, there's a
• 47:13
  Speaker 3: relix A checklist and relicx B checklist A is like
• 47:16
  Speaker 3: all the gimmicks or you know, some of the big
• 47:20
  Speaker 3: name UH ballplayers, whereas the B is true ballplayers. Like
• 47:25
  Speaker 3: it's just actually the baseball cards. And so you go
• 47:28
  Speaker 3: through here and you're like, Okay, we've got uh Jeff Probes,
• 47:35
  Speaker 3: We've got Katie Leadecki, we have let's see, you shouldn't
• 47:43
  Speaker 3: limb the magician Usain Bolt, like Xander Schoffley the gold
• 47:48
  Speaker 3: medal wasn't gold. No, he didn't get the gold. He
• 47:50
  Speaker 3: got a gold two Olympics to ago. And you just
• 47:55
  Speaker 3: got a really random group of guys out there. Dude,
• 48:01
  Speaker 3: Dad like why, I don't know, but why not? That's
• 48:05
  Speaker 3: Alan Ginter for you. So I think there's gonna be
• 48:08
  Speaker 3: some there's some fun ones in there. I'm not sure
• 48:10
  Speaker 3: who's gonna be the most collectible here. I have to
• 48:14
  Speaker 3: think that Katie Leadecki and Usain Bolt are gonna be
• 48:17
  Speaker 3: pretty pretty high on that list, is from some of
• 48:20
  Speaker 3: the other sports. And then I think you're gonna get
• 48:23
  Speaker 3: some pretty interesting Survivor fans for Jeff Props as well.
• 48:27
  Speaker 3: So I think those are the some of the fun
• 48:30
  Speaker 3: initial ones to call out. Is there anybody on that
• 48:33
  Speaker 3: list that I'm missing that you're really excited about? Of
• 48:36
  Speaker 3: why are they in this product? But why not?
• 48:38
  Speaker 2: Yeah?
• 48:39
  Speaker 1: I mean I think Jeff Probs is going to be
• 48:41
  Speaker 1: a really fun one that Yeah, as we're speaking, I
• 48:44
  Speaker 1: am a Survivor fan. I'm missing it tonight, so I've
• 48:46
  Speaker 1: got I always have to like delay it a day
• 48:48
  Speaker 1: or two because we record the podcast on Wednesdays. But
• 48:53
  Speaker 1: most of those guys are most of those people that
• 48:56
  Speaker 1: you covered there with those relics also have autos in
• 48:59
  Speaker 1: this checks. So Usain Bolt, I think that's gonna be
• 49:03
  Speaker 1: one of the major chase cards, not only for the
• 49:05
  Speaker 1: relic but for the auto as well, because it is
• 49:08
  Speaker 1: his first autographed card, like period, I'm pretty sure that.
• 49:12
  Speaker 2: You know it's gonna that.
• 49:14
  Speaker 1: The other thing too, is all these Allen and Ginter
• 49:16
  Speaker 1: cards are on auto, so that are on card autos
• 49:20
  Speaker 1: that like that really is enhancing their value and I
• 49:24
  Speaker 1: think just adds to the overall magic of what Alan
• 49:28
  Speaker 1: Ginter is that there does seem to to feel like
• 49:32
  Speaker 1: more connection to you know, not only the players in
• 49:35
  Speaker 1: this set, but the celebrities too, so you've got that.
• 49:39
  Speaker 1: I'm also looking at Kelsey Whitmore in the female baseball
• 49:44
  Speaker 1: player who's been playing an indie ball. She does have
• 49:46
  Speaker 1: other autos that have come out before in Panini Prism
• 49:52
  Speaker 1: like sets. I'm not exactly like sure what the sets were,
• 49:55
  Speaker 1: but I know that she's got some, but these are
• 49:58
  Speaker 1: her first tops based autos and she's also got a
• 50:05
  Speaker 1: relic in there too. You're also looking at Tim Robinson,
• 50:08
  Speaker 1: the comedian being there. Caleb Williams and Jayden Daniels are
• 50:13
  Speaker 1: in this set too, so you'll get lots of football crossover,
• 50:16
  Speaker 1: so those will be hot cards to chase. And I
• 50:20
  Speaker 1: think really one of the big hits here from this
• 50:24
  Speaker 1: set is going to be the dual auto between Mallory
• 50:27
  Speaker 1: and Dansby Swanson. So Mallory Swanson, hopefully you know who
• 50:31
  Speaker 1: she is, but she is the US women's soccer team,
• 50:36
  Speaker 1: you know, multi time gold medalist and also married to
• 50:40
  Speaker 1: Dan sby Swanson there, So that's just like that is
• 50:43
  Speaker 1: one of the cooler cards that I think we've seen
• 50:46
  Speaker 1: released over this year is that dual auto from the
• 50:49
  Speaker 1: Married Couple. So you dove into some of the relics
• 50:52
  Speaker 1: any of the other autos that are really like kind
• 50:54
  Speaker 1: of popping out for you, that are really like, you know,
• 50:58
  Speaker 1: piquing your.
• 50:58
  Speaker 3: Interest to well, I was getting distracted by the checklist
• 51:01
  Speaker 3: of the tallest mountains because I mean, why chist, why not?
• 51:09
  Speaker 3: And I guess that's what we have to love out Ginter.
• 51:14
  Speaker 3: You know, I think you hit the main ones off
• 51:17
  Speaker 3: the top there. I know we'll kind of get in
• 51:19
  Speaker 3: at some point to you know, the cut signatures. I
• 51:22
  Speaker 3: think that's also one of the areas that really uh
• 51:26
  Speaker 3: sets Ginter apart, because there are some very very significant
• 51:32
  Speaker 3: chases that that you're gonna have there. They also have,
• 51:35
  Speaker 3: which I think is one of the one of the
• 51:37
  Speaker 3: really kind of cool insert sets in here, is they
• 51:41
  Speaker 3: have the employee autographs checklists, like I like, hopefully the
• 51:46
  Speaker 3: guy that didn't seal the super fractors is that on here,
• 51:50
  Speaker 3: but if he is, that's probably like that thing's gonna
• 51:52
  Speaker 3: be collectibles all is all get out. So I think
• 51:57
  Speaker 3: you hit the main ones on here. There are going
• 52:00
  Speaker 3: to be a number of folks that are going after, uh,
• 52:04
  Speaker 3: just the the unique trying to put together that that
• 52:08
  Speaker 3: whole celebrity checklist of autos, and then you already get
• 52:12
  Speaker 3: those people, like I said, going after the cut signatures,
• 52:16
  Speaker 3: which are we'll we'll cover those here in a few minutes,
• 52:19
  Speaker 3: are absolutely the chase cards of this entire set. So
• 52:24
  Speaker 3: I think you hit the big the big ones outside
• 52:26
  Speaker 3: of you missed all the employees.
• 52:28
  Speaker 1: Yeah, And I mean, if there's anything that you want
• 52:32
  Speaker 1: to like read to make you you feel humble, as
• 52:36
  Speaker 1: at least it humbles me in terms of like I
• 52:39
  Speaker 1: can feel this as I'm getting like more and more
• 52:41
  Speaker 1: into my late thirties, just like my disconnection from pop
• 52:44
  Speaker 1: culture at large, and like especially given that like I
• 52:47
  Speaker 1: don't do TikTok that like look at some of the
• 52:51
  Speaker 1: names on this checklist and you're just like, who on
• 52:54
  Speaker 1: earth is that? And you look it up and they're
• 52:55
  Speaker 1: just like internet famous or just like involved in like
• 53:00
  Speaker 1: the vander Pump Rules. Like there's vander Pump Rules people
• 53:02
  Speaker 1: in this checklist and I have no idea who they are,
• 53:05
  Speaker 1: but it's really, like I said, humbling to see some
• 53:09
  Speaker 1: of these pop culture people who are included in this
• 53:12
  Speaker 1: set that you know, I learned about for the first
• 53:14
  Speaker 1: time today as I was googling there.
• 53:16
  Speaker 3: I guess we did miss a big one. Yeah we
• 53:20
  Speaker 3: got we got to pengas r. Yes, we got to
• 53:24
  Speaker 3: Penga in there. So I as I rushed through, I
• 53:26
  Speaker 3: didn't it doesn't say to Penga, It's it's Daniel Fisher.
• 53:31
  Speaker 3: But I think that is a pretty big one for
• 53:33
  Speaker 3: those who grew up in the nineties talking about boy
• 53:38
  Speaker 3: Meets World. So I guess, you know, to your point,
• 53:42
  Speaker 3: some of the newer TikTok ones and things like that.
• 53:44
  Speaker 3: I'm also just I'm sitting here going I don't know,
• 53:46
  Speaker 3: I feel like I should, but apparently I'm old. So
• 53:50
  Speaker 3: we'll go back to the nineties and talk about boy
• 53:52
  Speaker 3: Means World.
• 53:53
  Speaker 1: Yes exactly, because yeah, one of those that I had
• 53:55
  Speaker 1: to look up was Erica Thompson the Bee Lady on
• 53:58
  Speaker 1: like TikTok and stuff. Which it works well because one
• 54:02
  Speaker 1: of the main like insert sets that they're really highlighting
• 54:07
  Speaker 1: this year is the Buzzin set. So this is I
• 54:11
  Speaker 1: think very emblematic of like what Alan and Ginter is
• 54:13
  Speaker 1: getting into especially like the fawn and flora of like
• 54:17
  Speaker 1: just the world at large. And so the buzz and
• 54:20
  Speaker 1: set is going to have all sorts of different types
• 54:22
  Speaker 1: of bees in it. But we've also got I was
• 54:25
  Speaker 1: looking this up on the Beckett Checklist. They called it
• 54:29
  Speaker 1: the Battoids Beneath inserts, which were like raised. I think
• 54:34
  Speaker 1: they changed it to Raise in the Wild, which is
• 54:37
  Speaker 1: unfortunate because the bat Toys Beneath was fantastic, great, great name.
• 54:43
  Speaker 1: I also learned what a battoid was, so that that
• 54:46
  Speaker 1: was but also like good, Like That's what I think
• 54:49
  Speaker 1: I like about these insert sets when they involve different animals,
• 54:55
  Speaker 1: different flowers, different foods, or like culture, old historical moments
• 55:01
  Speaker 1: or just like all sorts of like things that you
• 55:04
  Speaker 1: can learn from and that whenever I'm opening Alan Ginter,
• 55:08
  Speaker 1: not only am i brushing up on some of that
• 55:09
  Speaker 1: pop culture stuff, but I'm also learning like things that
• 55:13
  Speaker 1: are more consequential that guess, sorry, pop culture icons out.
• 55:19
  Speaker 3: This is the learning set for old.
• 55:21
  Speaker 1: Folks, yes, but also you know, being able to learn
• 55:24
  Speaker 1: about different types of bees and wasps and different learning
• 55:28
  Speaker 1: what a batoid is in different types of rays and
• 55:32
  Speaker 1: things like that that you know, there's whole sets on
• 55:35
  Speaker 1: these different types of animals that you just don't.
• 55:38
  Speaker 2: Even know exist.
• 55:39
  Speaker 1: So which of these insert sets are you really looking at?
• 55:44
  Speaker 1: And pop and like you're like, wow, I can see
• 55:47
  Speaker 1: myself maybe collecting all that set because it's just too fun.
• 55:52
  Speaker 3: Well, there's numerous options. I could collect all fifty stades,
• 55:58
  Speaker 3: I got all the tallest mountains. I'm not going to
• 56:01
  Speaker 3: go there. We are definitely going with the ballpark bites.
• 56:06
  Speaker 3: I don't think there's any reason you can't go there.
• 56:09
  Speaker 3: And and there's a box lar checklist. There's a mini checklist,
• 56:13
  Speaker 3: and this is thirty cards of ballpark food, and I
• 56:17
  Speaker 3: have to ask the question, which ballpark food are you
• 56:21
  Speaker 3: taking out of the thirty card checklist of the ballpark bites?
• 56:26
  Speaker 3: If you had to eat one every day here on out,
• 56:30
  Speaker 3: what ballpark bites are you taking?
• 56:35
  Speaker 2: Well?
• 56:36
  Speaker 1: I'm also limited by my my by my diet choices
• 56:41
  Speaker 1: being a vegan, so that I guess if we made
• 56:45
  Speaker 1: it a factor where like if everything.
• 56:47
  Speaker 2: Was vegan, actually I don't even know if it would change.
• 56:50
  Speaker 1: I think I would still maybe go with waffle fries,
• 56:52
  Speaker 1: just because like if you had to like eat something
• 56:56
  Speaker 1: every day. It's got to be more of like a side,
• 56:58
  Speaker 1: you know what I mean that, Yep, it would change
• 57:01
  Speaker 1: maybe if you made this rule where all only I
• 57:04
  Speaker 1: could eat like the waffle fries, but waffle fries, I
• 57:07
  Speaker 1: could see myself eating every day.
• 57:08
  Speaker 2: Pickle. I could see myself eating pickle every day, just
• 57:12
  Speaker 2: not pickles.
• 57:13
  Speaker 1: Pickle, which if you want to talk about one that
• 57:16
  Speaker 1: might turn into that kind of meme card that you
• 57:20
  Speaker 1: were alluding to, which if you go back into like
• 57:22
  Speaker 1: the history of Allen and Ginter, the two that really
• 57:25
  Speaker 1: stand out over the past ten or fifteen years, i'd
• 57:28
  Speaker 1: say are the egg card. There's just a card from
• 57:32
  Speaker 1: I think it's the twenty eleven set. I'm not one
• 57:35
  Speaker 1: hundred percent sure on that. I'll look that up after
• 57:37
  Speaker 1: I'm kind of done talking here, but I'm the egg
• 57:40
  Speaker 1: card is just egg that's all it is. It's like
• 57:43
  Speaker 1: a huge chase card. You can never find them, and
• 57:47
  Speaker 1: they're worth quite a bit. The other one is the
• 57:49
  Speaker 1: bitcoin card that, like when bitcoins started going through the roof,
• 57:54
  Speaker 1: also became really expensive along with that that people start collecting.
• 57:58
  Speaker 1: So do you think Pickle is the card that could
• 58:01
  Speaker 1: do that? Or is there another card that you're seeing
• 58:03
  Speaker 1: within all these checklists that could be the next egg
• 58:06
  Speaker 1: or Bitcoin.
• 58:08
  Speaker 3: Oh, if that's so, I think Pickle has definitely a
• 58:14
  Speaker 3: leg up on the competition here, right. You caught me
• 58:18
  Speaker 3: off guard. I didn't see this one coming. I feel
• 58:21
  Speaker 3: like there's got to be something in the swamp creatures.
• 58:23
  Speaker 1: That's good because you'll give me a plenty of time
• 58:25
  Speaker 1: to look up what's that the egg card was from?
• 58:28
  Speaker 3: Yeah? So, uh, you know, I'm I'm gonna go here
• 58:31
  Speaker 3: and I'm gonna go on a limit and we're gonna
• 58:33
  Speaker 3: pick something from the swamp creatures checklist here just for
• 58:36
  Speaker 3: for for grins. Here we've got all kinds of things.
• 58:39
  Speaker 3: We've got the mosquitos, We've got the dolphins, We've got
• 58:43
  Speaker 3: the little grass frogs. We've got the Florida cotton mouth,
• 58:47
  Speaker 3: and the Florida snapping turtle, Florida panther. Apparently there's a
• 58:50
  Speaker 3: lot of swamp creatures in Florida. And you know, I
• 58:56
  Speaker 3: think you know this is one of those where we're
• 58:58
  Speaker 3: gonna we're gonna have to be stuck on the Turkey vulture.
• 59:02
  Speaker 3: I'm gonna go with the turkey vulture is just a
• 59:06
  Speaker 3: gonna be a very interesting card. It's it's probably not
• 59:10
  Speaker 3: actually that. There's some much more interesting cards in the set,
• 59:14
  Speaker 3: but I gotta go oddball here and go with the
• 59:17
  Speaker 3: swamp creatures. So did you find the egg while.
• 59:20
  Speaker 1: You're it's actually it was twenty nineteen. I did, I couldn't.
• 59:24
  Speaker 1: I thought it was way earlier than that. But yeah,
• 59:26
  Speaker 1: it it's also not quite as rare as I thought.
• 59:29
  Speaker 1: The bitcoin one certainly is very rare. That it's uh,
• 59:34
  Speaker 1: let's see what the bitcoin one is trading for right now.
• 59:37
  Speaker 2: It's usually.
• 59:38
  Speaker 1: Yeah, the cheapest like bitcoin card you can find is
• 59:42
  Speaker 1: from I mean that one's coming from Canada and it's
• 59:45
  Speaker 1: nine zeclar the highest rated person. But I mean it's
• 59:48
  Speaker 1: gonna run you about one hundred bucks for the bitcoin card.
• 59:50
  Speaker 1: Egg is a lot more reasonable. You can get egg
• 59:53
  Speaker 1: for three or five bucks.
• 59:55
  Speaker 3: But still the card of an egg.
• 59:58
  Speaker 2: I might have to put that in my car right now.
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 1: But and it's just like it's an egg like floating
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 1: in front of like an outfield wall, like in left field.
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 1: It's great, it's a it's a it's a fantastic low card.
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 1: H If there's another set that I think could produce
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 1: that meme card. It's got to be from the scratch
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 1: and sniff Got the Itch inserts. These these I think
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 1: will be quite popular just because they're gonna be ridiculous
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 1: like and also brings up the question of like, you know,
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 1: if you scratch it too much, like are you ruining
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 1: the mintness of the card? And then like does that
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 1: make these cards even more valuable? Kind of down the
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 1: stretch that like it's gonna be one of the most
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 1: difficult sets maybe to ever find all time, like in
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 1: all mint condition like ps A ten's or something like that.
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 2: But looking at that.
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 1: Scratching sniff set of Got the Itch, which is also
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 1: just like what a fantastic insert name which one of those?
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 1: Are you looking forward to scratching and sniffing the most?
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 3: I mean, this has got to be the easiest answer
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 3: there is out there. It's got to be the bacon card.
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 3: You open a pack of cards and it just smells
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 3: like bacon. I mean, yeah, I get the auto leather
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 3: might not be too bad there, or maybe some coffee grinds,
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 3: like there's some good stuff there, but I definitely look
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 3: at that. I just just the smell of bacon. I'm
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 3: a pack of cards is just something else, and really,
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 3: like I I want to know what they how they
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 3: managed to create the scratch and stiff cards, Like, I've
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 3: got to feel like there's somewhere somebody there over at Fanatics.
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 3: They've got the top set up there and they've got
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 3: the the one machine that does scratch and sniff cards. Like,
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 3: let's get this thing out of the back room. So
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 3: that you make a very good point, because how are
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 3: you not scratching these cards the second you get them?
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 3: There's not a chance in the world that I have
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 3: the ability to resist it's scratches of bacon.
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 1: Card no yeah, or barbecue or vanilla lime that like
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 1: on top of it too, Like that is a good
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 1: point in terms of production process. It's it's really strange
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 1: to pull something in like that, considering you know, they've
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 1: got so many other machines that do the chrome, the relics,
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 1: all sorts of things in terms of you know, even
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 1: cut autos and different thicknesses and stuff that I can't
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 1: remember the last time we've seen a scratch and sniff card.
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 1: So like that's kind of did they buy a new machine?
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 2: Did did it.
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 1: Require a new investment? And then the other question I
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 1: have is they didn't want to go with something gross,
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 1: like just one gross like smell, because that could have
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 1: been the meme card, Like they're all good smells, but
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 1: there's no like Harry Potter jelly Bean factor here where
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 1: there's something gross, which I mean, if I was producing
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 1: this set apps right, like you've got to have garbage
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 1: or rotting banana peel or something like.
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 3: Oh, they missed an opportunity, the garbage, the Houston garbage can.
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 3: They miss they missed.
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 2: The trash can.
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 1: That man, that was short print.
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 3: Maybe it is, if not, we're producing it.
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, that would be my suggestion if I was
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 1: able to do one of the staff.
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 2: Autos, I want the Houston trash can.
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 1: Okay, well let's get into some of those other crazy
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 1: like cards that we have. So I would say, like
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 1: the one that Alan Ginter is especially known for.
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 2: Are the DNA relics.
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 1: And so these are actual bits of like fossilized dinosaur
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 1: that are included in in the relic card. And so
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 1: these are pretty big chases. They're they're pretty limited in
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 1: terms of the number of them out there, I mean,
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 1: just because it's not necessarily they have tony fossils, so
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 1: those will be popular getting out there.
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 2: Have you ever seen one of them in the wild.
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 2: I don't think I ever have.
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 3: I don't think I ever have. But to your point,
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 3: like I think they are extremely collectible. There's a certain
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 3: collector cross a section there between history and cards that is, well,
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 3: we'll just put it this way, they can afford to
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 3: go after these ones.
• 1:04:28
  Speaker 1: Yeah, And the other factor here is that usually we
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 1: get some sort of like jokier one too, Like there's
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 1: been like a ghost relic where it's just been like
• 1:04:38
  Speaker 1: a sheet that's included in there, or you know, you'll
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 1: see this more so in holiday too, with like the
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 1: Santa and Elf relics. So there's necessarily not necessarily anything
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 1: like that right now in the checklist, but we are
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 1: speaking a week before release date. So usually there's nuggets
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 1: like that buried into Allen and Ginter.
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 2: That release over time.
• 1:04:58
  Speaker 1: Again, like they don't like actually have anything cool in them,
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 1: unlike these Dino relics, but like they are highly collectible
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 1: just because of the rarity and the short printing out there.
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 1: So we've also got rip cards and all sorts of
• 1:05:13
  Speaker 1: different types of like metal stained glass cloth cards of minis.
• 1:05:19
  Speaker 1: I guess that's something I should have explained from the
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 1: top two is like you've got regular sized cards of
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 1: all the cards on the set, and then minis as
• 1:05:26
  Speaker 1: well as well as like chrome cards, refractor cards.
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 2: Then they get into the.
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 1: Metals, the stained glass, the cloth, the wood, and those
• 1:05:36
  Speaker 1: are a lot of the time like buried in rip cards.
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 1: And so again, have you ever like been cross paths
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 1: with a rip card or do you own any like
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 1: these strange material cards that have come from Ellen and
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 1: Ginter over the years.
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I do have. I'd say a few rip cards
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 3: in the collection. I will say they're already ripped and
• 1:06:00
  Speaker 3: when I acquire them, Yeah, And I think that's actually
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 3: one of the reasons I have a love hate relationship
• 1:06:06
  Speaker 3: with the rip cards is that if I get them,
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 3: I have to rip them. But it's one of those
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 3: that you can end up with a pretty rare rip
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 3: card that's, you know, out of five out of ten,
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 3: and it is a complete gamble what's inside that card,
• 1:06:20
  Speaker 3: Like you would think the rare the rip card, the
• 1:06:23
  Speaker 3: rarer the thing you find inside. And it's not always
• 1:06:26
  Speaker 3: the case. It's very often that you get a common
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 3: rip card, a non numbered rip card, and you go
• 1:06:32
  Speaker 3: through it and you get a crazy, crazy hit, or
• 1:06:35
  Speaker 3: you rip that that really rare rip card, and it's
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 3: I think those ones it's kind of like the lottery.
• 1:06:42
  Speaker 3: You can have the rip rarest of the rare inside those,
• 1:06:44
  Speaker 3: or you could have absolutely nothing. Here's my I wanna
• 1:06:49
  Speaker 3: go jazz Chism. We throw onunder the bus again. We've already
• 1:06:51
  Speaker 3: talked about a few times. Here's my jazz Chism basementy card.
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 3: It's like I just ripped my stand usual out of
• 1:06:57
  Speaker 3: five to get there. You know. It's it definitely can
• 1:07:03
  Speaker 3: go multiple different ways, So I I love and hate
• 1:07:08
  Speaker 3: rip cards all the same.
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 1: Yeah, And I will say that the one key there
• 1:07:12
  Speaker 1: because the metal minis are often in those rip cards
• 1:07:17
  Speaker 1: as well as the stained glass, So the rip cards
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 1: they're a.
• 1:07:22
  Speaker 2: Little bit bigger.
• 1:07:23
  Speaker 1: Usually they're more like box toppers when they come into
• 1:07:25
  Speaker 1: Allen and Ginter. And so when you get those, like
• 1:07:30
  Speaker 1: they've still only got like the space for the mini cards,
• 1:07:32
  Speaker 1: so you're getting mini cards out of them. The one
• 1:07:35
  Speaker 1: key though, is because the metal ones are rarer that
• 1:07:38
  Speaker 1: they're one in every six four hundred and ninety eight
• 1:07:42
  Speaker 1: hobby packs. You can use a magnet to find them
• 1:07:46
  Speaker 1: in the rip cards I've seen like videos of it
• 1:07:49
  Speaker 1: on YouTube and Reddit where like people have done that
• 1:07:52
  Speaker 1: and you can kind of tell that whether or not
• 1:07:54
  Speaker 1: it's a metal one, So that can help you if
• 1:07:56
  Speaker 1: you do come across one of these rip cards. Otherwise, like, yeah,
• 1:07:59
  Speaker 1: you can't like risk shaking it a lot to see
• 1:08:02
  Speaker 1: if it's a you know, a stained glass or or
• 1:08:05
  Speaker 1: a the wood ones could be there as well, because
• 1:08:10
  Speaker 1: you know, if it's not, then you could damage it.
• 1:08:12
  Speaker 1: And often you know, those could also be signed or
• 1:08:15
  Speaker 1: one of one's and stuff like that. So you don't
• 1:08:18
  Speaker 1: want to necessarily like risk that. It's not like it's
• 1:08:22
  Speaker 1: going to be a metal or stained glass card or
• 1:08:24
  Speaker 1: just kind of like your common mini cards. So you've
• 1:08:27
  Speaker 1: got to be able to make that choice. And I'm
• 1:08:29
  Speaker 1: pro rip if you you're ever wondering that, Uh, if
• 1:08:33
  Speaker 1: you ever find one again, do not ask me whether
• 1:08:35
  Speaker 1: or not to rip it, because I am going to
• 1:08:36
  Speaker 1: tell you to rip it immediately. A magnetic Yeah, yeah, certainly.
• 1:08:43
  Speaker 1: And then you you hinted at the cut signature checklist here,
• 1:08:48
  Speaker 1: so that is I think another key here to the
• 1:08:52
  Speaker 1: overall like value of out and ginter and maybe even
• 1:08:55
  Speaker 1: when it sets it apart a little bit from some
• 1:08:57
  Speaker 1: of the Flagship is that, you know, it's not quite
• 1:09:01
  Speaker 1: as printed as Flagship. Flagship has cut autos in it,
• 1:09:04
  Speaker 1: but it's very very like hard to hit one and
• 1:09:08
  Speaker 1: near impossible, but it's a little less impossible here with
• 1:09:13
  Speaker 1: ount on Ginter. And so, which cut autos really stand
• 1:09:17
  Speaker 1: out for you in that checklist? And I can also
• 1:09:20
  Speaker 1: give the caveat that usually they come from people who
• 1:09:22
  Speaker 1: are deceased, because that's why they need to be cutting
• 1:09:26
  Speaker 1: these autos and aren't having them putting it on cards.
• 1:09:29
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I have to say I think that
• 1:09:31
  Speaker 3: there's one that stands far and above the rest. And
• 1:09:34
  Speaker 3: maybe this is just me, mom, but it is the
• 1:09:38
  Speaker 3: first one in the checklist. There's actually two of them,
• 1:09:41
  Speaker 3: and it's a Mereia air Hart. I think that that
• 1:09:43
  Speaker 3: is probably the chase of the cut signatures. You know, again,
• 1:09:47
  Speaker 3: this is the Ginter, So it's somebody that's not necessarily
• 1:09:50
  Speaker 3: in the sport but has just such an iconic story
• 1:09:54
  Speaker 3: and iconic name. So I think Amelia Earhart definitely falls
• 1:09:59
  Speaker 3: into into that that list. You also will have a
• 1:10:03
  Speaker 3: little bit of the Richard Dixon chasers out there, which
• 1:10:07
  Speaker 3: I think is gonna be an interesting group, but then
• 1:10:11
  Speaker 3: you do get into some of those like great just
• 1:10:13
  Speaker 3: great hall of famers. There you've got your Ted Williams,
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  Speaker 3: You've got your Ray Campanela's Lou Brocks, and your your
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  Speaker 3: Hank Aaron's, Ernie Banks. You know Cy Young, Bob Gibson,
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  Speaker 3: you know all the great great names of the past
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  Speaker 3: that you're very likely never to get a autographed card
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  Speaker 3: of in a modern product. So I think those that's
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  Speaker 3: what really makes this one fun. But like I said,
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  Speaker 3: if I had to pick, if I'm grabbing one, I
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  Speaker 3: think it's Amelia Earhart just because that is gonna be
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  Speaker 3: such a unique card and I think highly sought after
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  Speaker 3: again with you, you you merge that history with card
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  Speaker 3: collecting genre. So how about you? Who who who jumps
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  Speaker 3: out to you in the cut checklist?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah?
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  Speaker 1: I mean I also I had my eyes on Sir
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  Speaker 1: Edmund Hillary, who you know, the first guy to I mean,
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  Speaker 1: not the first guy to ever get to the top
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  Speaker 1: of Everest, but you know it's kind of like known
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  Speaker 1: for that in history. That that's a pretty cool one,
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  Speaker 1: like seeing cool Papa Bell in here as well as
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  Speaker 1: you know you're getting it feels like they are starting
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  Speaker 1: to integrate more and more Negro Leagues players into some
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  Speaker 1: of these you know, checklists, and so this is I
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  Speaker 1: think a pretty that'll be an important card to chase
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  Speaker 1: as well as you know, you got Negro leaguers and
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  Speaker 1: Larry Dobie, Monti, Irvin others that have come through baseball
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  Speaker 1: history that just kind of like really stand out and
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  Speaker 1: are going to go down in terms of like just
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  Speaker 1: being I think important to the hobby overall going forward,
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  Speaker 1: because like there just aren't very many cards of those
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  Speaker 1: Negro League's players that have been out there. So when
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  Speaker 1: you're starting to get cards like this with the cut signatures,
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  Speaker 1: they just really stand out. And I think people are
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  Speaker 1: gonna start, you know, wanting to build out collections of
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  Speaker 1: these guys, especially given as we you know, bring more
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  Speaker 1: and more of those stats into just our overall knowledge
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  Speaker 1: and kind of like front of mind when we're referencing
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  Speaker 1: some of the like year to year once once in
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  Speaker 1: a season sort of things that happened, like we always
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  Speaker 1: forget that we've got to start factoring in those Negro
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  Speaker 1: League's players.
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  Speaker 2: So that one, I think really stands out to me.
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  Speaker 1: But yeah, it's gonna be I think a great checklist
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  Speaker 1: of just these cut autos that it is deep, So
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  Speaker 1: certainly check it out and keep your eyes peeled if
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  Speaker 1: you're looking for these. There are one of ones, so
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  Speaker 1: not gonna be cheap by any means.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, And I think this is, you know, just the
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  Speaker 3: way we've talked about Ginter and as we kind of
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  Speaker 3: wrap up here, it this is I think what is
• 1:12:53
  Speaker 3: attracted about Ginter is there's a little something for everybody
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  Speaker 3: in here, and there's just so much variety. That's what
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  Speaker 3: makes it fun. To to your point, it is much
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  Speaker 3: more of a collector's you know card, It's not it's
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  Speaker 3: not about the value. It's you know, yeah, the cut
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  Speaker 3: signatures are credibly valuable. There's some cool ripped cards things
• 1:13:10
  Speaker 3: like that, but it's just about all the variety of
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  Speaker 3: that's in there, and there's something for everybody. So I
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  Speaker 3: think it is really is a cool set. I think
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  Speaker 3: they do a good job with it, and it's it's
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  Speaker 3: it's gonna be tempting to pass these ones up when
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  Speaker 3: I see them on shelves.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, it's uh, honestly, it's one of the sets.
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  Speaker 1: Whenever I do see any of it on shelves, I
• 1:13:30
  Speaker 1: usually do get it because, like it is always going
• 1:13:34
  Speaker 1: to be worth the fun of ripping it, just for
• 1:13:37
  Speaker 1: some of the inserts that we've talked about and seeing
• 1:13:39
  Speaker 1: some of the pop culture cards that like. It always
• 1:13:43
  Speaker 1: delivers from that perspective that I've never ripped a blaster
• 1:13:47
  Speaker 1: of Allen and Ginter and felt like I didn't get
• 1:13:50
  Speaker 1: my entertainment dollars worth from that blaster, as opposed to
• 1:13:54
  Speaker 1: that happens a lot with Base Flagship and Chrome and
• 1:13:58
  Speaker 1: Bowman and stuff like that, where it can be much
• 1:14:01
  Speaker 1: more disappointing that at least you're always going to have
• 1:14:03
  Speaker 1: fun with Alan and Kinter.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, very very true.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, well let's wrap it up there. Let's and I'm
• 1:14:11
  Speaker 1: actually looking I should have done a little more research
• 1:14:13
  Speaker 1: on the Top's rip site. I think it is still
• 1:14:16
  Speaker 1: going to be called Battoids of battoids beneath. I'm looking
• 1:14:22
  Speaker 1: at one right now on tops ripped that the Butterfly Ray.
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  Speaker 1: So I'm back on board with that set. That's gonna
• 1:14:29
  Speaker 1: be a good set. That's gonna be a fun one,
• 1:14:30
  Speaker 1: especially if you're a Tampa Bay Race fan. Anyways, let's
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• 1:15:38
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• 1:15:59
  Speaker 1: also go there and find pictures of some of the
• 1:16:02
  Speaker 1: cards that we've discussed, so the related post for this
• 1:16:06
  Speaker 1: podcast will include some of those if you you know,
• 1:16:10
  Speaker 1: got tired of listening to us in this audio format
• 1:16:12
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• 1:16:16
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• 1:16:18
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• 1:16:22
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• 1:16:25
  Speaker 1: we've talked about from these checklists and any of the
• 1:16:28
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• 1:16:34
  Speaker 1: us know if you have any comments, questions on what
• 1:16:38
  Speaker 1: you're doing with these Allen and Ginter cards. If you
• 1:16:40
  Speaker 1: pull anything cool, let us know and we can talk
• 1:16:43
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• 1:16:46
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• 1:16:50
  Speaker 1: that greedy, but it is good to hear about like
• 1:16:52
  Speaker 1: cool things that people are finding in their rips. So
• 1:16:56
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