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LL Cool J | Delivering Happiness with Nick Turturro · Delivering Happiness with Nick Turturro

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  Speaker 1: Pizza delivery. Oh, man.
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  Speaker 2: What up, man?
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  Speaker 1: How are you? Legend.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, man. Much love.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, you got up. I was like, man, you're big.
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  Speaker 2: You know? You know what I mean?
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  Speaker 1: I didn't know you were that big.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, it happens. I'm probably be a little bigger
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  Speaker 2: after today.
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  Speaker 1: What are you, like 6'2?
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  Speaker 2: You know, I never really measured. I don't know. Maybe 6'2, 6'3.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know. 4'11. Play ball? Yeah. No, I can't
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  Speaker 2: play no basketball. No? Nah. Football? I can play football. Yeah? Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: I played football growing up. You did? Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: You're a Queens from Hollis.
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  Speaker 2: I'm from Queens, St.
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  Speaker 1: Albans, Hollis. My brothers lived in Hollis.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, they did? Yeah. Yeah, St. Albans, Hollis, no question. St.
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  Speaker 1: Albans.
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  Speaker 2: No question.
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  Speaker 1: I grew up in Rosedale.
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  Speaker 2: I love that. Yeah. The great Rosedale.
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  Speaker 1: You know Rosedale?
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  Speaker 2: Of course I know Rosedale. Are you kidding me?
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  Speaker 1: Are you kidding me? What kind of pizza do you like? Oh,
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  Speaker 1: we went with the OG. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Give me a little plain slice.
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  Speaker 1: You a pizza guy growing up?
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  Speaker 2: Absolutely.
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  Speaker 1: Bet you were.
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  Speaker 2: Of course.
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  Speaker 1: Bet you went to Gabby's.
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  Speaker 2: Of course I did, on the Ave. You're talking about
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  Speaker 2: on the Ave, right?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, in the Coliseum Mall. Yeah, of course. You know that.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: You know what I mean? Let's get it.
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  Speaker 1: Man. Congratulations on everything, man.
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  Speaker 2: Thank you, man.
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  Speaker 1: Everything you've done.
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  Speaker 2: Thank you very much. Thank you.
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  Speaker 1: When did you start acting?
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  Speaker 2: Acting? Hold on, let me.
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  Speaker 1: Take a slice. Yeah, let me... Have you had Prince Street?
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  Speaker 2: Mm-mm. My first time. Damn. Okay.
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  Speaker 1: That's good, right? And that's not even the one they're
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  Speaker 1: famous for.
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  Speaker 3: The one they're famous for is this spicy spring.
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  Speaker 1: It's like all full of pepperoni, a square. That's the
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  Speaker 1: one that made them famous. But this is my go-to.
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  Speaker 2: This is right.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Damn.
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  Speaker 1: I don't like it too hot either. I don't like
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  Speaker 1: to burn my tongue, you know?
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  Speaker 2: No, I don't either. That sauce has got a lot
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  Speaker 2: of flavor in it. All right.
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  Speaker 1: Whoa. Whoa.
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  Speaker 2: I'm hungry too, B. You caught me at the right time, baby.
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  Speaker 2: Word up.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, eat, man.
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  Speaker 2: We can cut the podcast off now. I'm done. I'm
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  Speaker 2: out of here.
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  Speaker 1: This is what makes you happy. Pizza's one of my happiness. Pizza,
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  Speaker 1: the Yankees, my wife.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, of course. You know what I'm saying?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: No, so I'm acting. So I got into acting. First
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  Speaker 2: movie I did was in 85. What was that? Crush Groove.
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  Speaker 2: Crush Groove, yeah. Then I did Wildcats. I did a
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  Speaker 2: guest appearance in Wildcats. That was Woody Harrelson and Wesley Snipes'
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  Speaker 2: first movie. And then after that, the first acting role
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  Speaker 2: where I was kind of doing a character was in
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  Speaker 2: the hard way with Michael J. Fox and James Woods.
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  Speaker 1: Right, right.
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  Speaker 2: And it just kind of went from there. I did
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  Speaker 2: Toys with Robin Williams and did just Countless movies.
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  Speaker 1: You did a lot of movies.
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  Speaker 2: A lot of movies, yeah. Yeah, a lot of movies.
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  Speaker 1: You did the, what was the football movie?
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  Speaker 2: Ain't Giving Sunday.
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  Speaker 1: Ain't Giving Sunday.
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  Speaker 2: That was a lot of fun.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Because, you know, we all have dreams of being professional
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  Speaker 2: athletes on some level, so I might as well admit that.
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  Speaker 2: And I wore number 33 as an ode to Tony Dorsett.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, that was your guy?
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  Speaker 2: He was one of my favorite players, even though I'm
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  Speaker 2: a Giants guy. You know, growing up, I did like
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  Speaker 2: Dallas at that time as a little kid. Right. And
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  Speaker 2: the Tom Laundrie days and all that.
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  Speaker 1: That's when they were the Cowboys.
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  Speaker 2: You know what I mean? Starback. Yes, Roger Starback. So,
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  Speaker 2: you know, any given Sunday was a lot of fun.
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  Speaker 2: You know what I mean? Yeah, that was good. That
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  Speaker 2: was good.
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  Speaker 1: Get along with Oliver Stone. Bit of a crazy guy, right?
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  Speaker 2: Well, Oliver, you know, I love Oliver. He's out of
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  Speaker 2: his mind, but I love him. He's nuts. No, of
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  Speaker 2: course he is. But that's probably why he's so successful.
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  Speaker 1: Probably. Probably. But, like, you know, he's a little bit
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  Speaker 1: of a lunatic.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, because I was doing that World Trade Center movie
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  Speaker 3: with him and he was like, he was ripping every actor.
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  Speaker 3: This one, that one, you know, you have a small
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  Speaker 3: part and you're like, you know when you have a
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  Speaker 3: small part, it's like thankless. So you try to do
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  Speaker 3: a little something and then he's.
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  Speaker 1: Like, oh, you want to ham it up? You want
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  Speaker 1: to look in the camera?
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  Speaker 2: What's wrong with you? Go on, Oliver, I.
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  Speaker 1: Don't know what you're talking about. Then he's telling this guy,
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  Speaker 1: you know, this guy was.
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  Speaker 3: Off camera and he told Nicolas Cage that, yeah, I
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  Speaker 3: don't know what he was just like out there, man.
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  Speaker 2: Mm-hmm.
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  Speaker 1: Like Asian girls, too. He met my wife, and he
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  Speaker 1: was like, I said, hey, that's my wife. You know any?
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  Speaker 1: You know any? I said, what am I, dating service?
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  Speaker 1: You know what I mean? Do I know any?
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  Speaker 2: He didn't hit you with the, do you know any?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Do you know any is pretty funny?
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  Speaker 1: Yes, I'm telling you.
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  Speaker 2: Do you know any is wild? That's wild work. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: he's wild. Do you know any is some nasty work?
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  Speaker 1: Tell me about Pacino. That must have been exciting.
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  Speaker 2: It was incredible. You know, working with, watching him work,
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  Speaker 2: That famous speech he did on any given Sunday. You know,
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  Speaker 2: every thought was so fresh. You know, every sentence was
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  Speaker 2: so full. Right. Every moment was truthful, right? Always connecting
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  Speaker 2: and always connected, right?
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  Speaker 1: Right.
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  Speaker 2: So it was a pleasure to watch that. Yeah. You know?
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  Speaker 3: Did you find yourself like, you know, when you're watching
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  Speaker 3: somebody like that, that you've you know, kind of idolized
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  Speaker 3: or loved, you know, like get mesmerized.
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  Speaker 1: Like, that's wild. That's Al Pacino.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, you were starting your own right, but like,
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  Speaker 3: you know, you work with someone like that. You know
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  Speaker 3: what I mean? Like, you got to kind of separate that, right?
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  Speaker 3: So you don't get lost in, oh, I'm working with
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  Speaker 3: the great Pacino.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, the reality is mesmerized until they say action.
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  Speaker 1: Right. I got you.
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  Speaker 2: You know what I mean? Yeah. And then you got
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  Speaker 2: to do your job. And then after that, when they
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  Speaker 2: say cut, he's amazing.
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  Speaker 1: That's right.
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  Speaker 2: You know what I mean?
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  Speaker 1: But watching him work was fun.
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  Speaker 2: It was beautiful. It was amazing. It was amazing watching
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  Speaker 2: him work. And it's wonderful to be around people that
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  Speaker 2: love the craft, appreciate the craft, and appreciate it on
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  Speaker 2: so many different levels.
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  Speaker 1: Because acting is hard.
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  Speaker 2: Acting is extremely hard. You know, well... Not acting is
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  Speaker 2: extremely hard.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: You know what I mean? Yeah, yeah, I know what
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  Speaker 2: you mean. You know, a lot of people, you can act,
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  Speaker 2: but not acting is what's really hard, right? And so
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  Speaker 2: bringing that level of realism, him doing it consistently, like
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  Speaker 2: even the thing he did with Richard III, doing Shakespeare.
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  Speaker 1: Right.
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  Speaker 2: Obviously, you know.
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  Speaker 1: Have you ever seen him on stage?
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  Speaker 2: Not live, but I saw that documentary.
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  Speaker 1: But you never saw him live.
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  Speaker 2: Not live on stage.
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  Speaker 1: I saw him live on stage.
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  Speaker 2: How was it?
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  Speaker 1: Wow.
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  Speaker 2: Well, he has that voice. He can project.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I saw him do American Buffalo, this
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  Speaker 3: great play, and he's bigger than life.
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  Speaker 1: He's exciting.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah.
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  Speaker 1: He comes out, and you're like.
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  Speaker 2: He's a dynamic talent.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, he's dynamic.
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  Speaker 2: He's a dynamic talent.
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  Speaker 1: He's a small guy, but he has, like, a presence.
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  Speaker 2: Well, spirit is not about physicality. No. Spirit is about
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  Speaker 2: what's inside. Oh, I agree. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: I heard he's got, like, big hands.
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  Speaker 2: Well, you know, there's that. Yeah. You're balling with him
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  Speaker 2: or you're not. That's true, right? It is what it is.
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  Speaker 1: I'm like Raging Bull. I'm like, with my hands, and
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  Speaker 1: Jake will never have them. He's like, I have these
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  Speaker 1: little hands.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah. I could have been a contender.
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  Speaker 1: I got them, too.
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  Speaker 2: I could have been a contender.
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  Speaker 1: What does that mean?
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  Speaker 3: Because that means no matter who I fight, no matter
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  Speaker 3: how big I get, I'm never going to fight the best.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, because, yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Raging Bull.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Did you ever work with De Niro? I did.
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  Speaker 2: I did. I worked with him on, uh, this, uh,
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  Speaker 2: funny little movie that Stallone did. And, uh, it was, uh,
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  Speaker 2: I forget. I can't even remember the name of, if
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  Speaker 2: you Google it, you, you, you really would see it. And, uh,
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  Speaker 2: we had this amazing scene. It was, it was a movie.
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  Speaker 2: It didn't perform well. Oh, it was him and Stallone. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: But it was, it was like kind of one of
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  Speaker 2: those films that he, you know, one of those movies
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  Speaker 2: he was doing. And, um, you know, watching him work.
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  Speaker 2: And what was fun about him is like, you know,
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  Speaker 2: when we were doing, you know, on his coverage, he
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  Speaker 2: keeps going back and saying his lines and repeating his
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  Speaker 2: lines and repeating his lines. And it's like, you're sitting there,
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  Speaker 2: you know, it might be a two-shot. Right. And he's
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  Speaker 2: like repeating, he's starting over. You know what I mean?
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  Speaker 2: He's starting over.
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  Speaker 3: I heard nothing is too boring for him. Like, he obsesses, like,
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  Speaker 3: because my brother's an obsessive person.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: And he said when he worked with De Niro, he said, like,
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  Speaker 3: De Niro is like, Like, you know.
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  Speaker 2: He moved the paper over there. He moved the paper
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  Speaker 2: 65 times. Yeah, yeah, yeah, moved the thing. Yeah, and
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  Speaker 2: he's moving the stuff. Yeah, yeah, that's real.
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  Speaker 3: And you see that in a lot of his performances when,
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  Speaker 3: you know, because there's always a lot of you in
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  Speaker 3: the character.
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  Speaker 1: It's never just totally you, but you have to use
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  Speaker 1: yourself in it.
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  Speaker 2: Well, you have to be willing to go to different
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  Speaker 2: places inside of you, right?
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  Speaker 1: Right, right.
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  Speaker 2: Like, that's the whole thing.
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  Speaker 1: Because a lot of people go, oh, you know, LL's
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  Speaker 1: just playing LL. And you're like, no, no, no, no,
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  Speaker 1: I'm not. I'm playing a character. But I have to
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  Speaker 1: use some of LL in the character.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, and you know, yes, that's true. That's also about,
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  Speaker 2: you know, how people perceive you and how much of
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  Speaker 2: your work they've seen. Right. So, you know, you really,
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  Speaker 2: because you don't know range until you've seen a body
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  Speaker 2: of work. So you could take something for granted simply
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  Speaker 2: because you haven't seen somebody do something else. Right. You know,
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  Speaker 2: so you don't understand the breadth or the range that's
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  Speaker 2: really there for how strong their instrument really is. Or
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  Speaker 2: maybe they're playing a role that only requires some small chords,
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  Speaker 2: and they're not playing a role that requires a magnificent solo.
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  Speaker 2: You know what I mean? So you can kind of
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  Speaker 2: get lulled to sleep, but I don't think that one
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  Speaker 2: role can necessarily give you the full extent of an
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  Speaker 2: actor's craft or their ability to explore the craft.
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  Speaker 1: You know what I mean? I mean, you can never
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  Speaker 1: just space it on one performance.
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  Speaker 2: You can't.
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  Speaker 1: No.
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  Speaker 2: Because you need the body of work. Yeah. It's just
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  Speaker 2: like music. Like, one song is not going to tell
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  Speaker 2: you everything you need to know.
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  Speaker 1: Right.
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  Speaker 2: You know, you got it. There's got to be more
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  Speaker 2: for you to really be able to gauge. Like we
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  Speaker 2: talk about. these guys that we revere the way we're
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  Speaker 2: talking about them right now because of the bodies of work.
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  Speaker 2: It's not just because of Serpico. It's not just because
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  Speaker 2: of The Godfather 2. It's not just because of Taxi Driver.
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  Speaker 2: It's not just because of that. Because even if it
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  Speaker 2: was only that, you'd still say, oh, it was great. See?
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  Speaker 2: So that's why I think it's the range.
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  Speaker 1: I agree totally.
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  Speaker 3: Because when you think of the body of work of
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  Speaker 3: those guys and those men, it's just incredible.
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  Speaker 1: Because you know how hard it is to do it.
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  Speaker 2: Well, yeah. And that's why there's so many schools. I mean,
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  Speaker 2: you know, from Stroudsburg, you know, that whole lineage from
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  Speaker 2: Stanislavski to Stroudsburg, from Budahagen to, you know, to the
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  Speaker 2: other the other side of it. You know, like there's
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  Speaker 2: so many different ways to kind of to do it,
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  Speaker 2: to slice that apple. You just have to figure out
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  Speaker 2: what works for you. And then obviously you have to
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  Speaker 2: do a play. I haven't done a play.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: You know, but I will say this. It's not the same, but,
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  Speaker 2: you know, coming from the hip hop world, I've done
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  Speaker 2: so much music on stage, live on stage, and we're
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  Speaker 2: telling stories.
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  Speaker 1: Right.
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  Speaker 2: So it's not, you know, it's not, you know, raising
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  Speaker 2: in the sun, but it is storytelling and Bringing words
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  Speaker 2: to life in a true, it is truth and imagine
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  Speaker 2: sometimes in imaginary circumstances, bringing things to life for the
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  Speaker 2: people here and making sure that they feel it. Now,
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  Speaker 2: stage is a little different. You know, there's a different
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  Speaker 2: dynamic there, but you know, when you know the way
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  Speaker 2: you can apply it to different things, you know what
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  Speaker 2: I'm saying? So it's like, for me, But it doesn't
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  Speaker 2: mean I wouldn't do a play. Now it's a matter
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  Speaker 2: of time.
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  Speaker 1: I'm not saying you wouldn't. I'm just saying, did you ever?
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  Speaker 2: No, I haven't.
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  Speaker 1: Any desire?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I would. I would love to experience that. I
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  Speaker 2: think that could be fun. I think it could be fun,
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  Speaker 2: especially if it's something that's unique and different and challenging.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: You know, gives me an opportunity to show people other
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  Speaker 2: aspects of my game. Right. Because it's like basketball, right?
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  Speaker 2: Like we talk about ball, like I could talk about
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  Speaker 2: it and can't play, but I could talk about it.
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  Speaker 2: It's like, you know, you may only see certain aspects
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  Speaker 2: of a person's game based on the offense that they're
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  Speaker 2: playing in. Right. You know what I mean? Or based
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  Speaker 2: on the schemes that they're using. So in acting, it's
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  Speaker 2: the same thing. You know what I mean? You can
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  Speaker 2: do more Yeah. You know what I mean?
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  Speaker 3: I mean, you know, it's just like, you know, you
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  Speaker 3: learned a lot on the job, probably like me.
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  Speaker 1: You know, I wasn't classically trained.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: You know, I did a year of college. I was
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  Speaker 1: a theater major.
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  Speaker 3: I was around it a lot, but I had to
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  Speaker 3: kind of learn as I was going.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, well, what you learned, well, I did study, and
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  Speaker 2: I still have a teacher, and I studied for many years,
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  Speaker 2: but the thing is, not in a formal setting, but
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  Speaker 2: I have my own private teachers that I've been studying
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  Speaker 2: with over the years. But Being on set is really
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  Speaker 2: about technical skills, which is a different skill set. Right.
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  Speaker 2: Because you can have, you know, 14 degrees. But when
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  Speaker 2: that thing, when they say action and that thing come
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  Speaker 2: on and when them lights come on. Right. You got
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  Speaker 2: to have technical skill to be able to turn all
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  Speaker 2: that invisible. You know, this guy's over here falling asleep
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  Speaker 2: in the corner and you think it's because of the scene. And,
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  Speaker 2: you know, he just was up all night. He's mad
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  Speaker 2: at his girlfriend and he's farting. You know, he's on
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  Speaker 2: his phone. You know what I mean? Like, you know,
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  Speaker 2: you know, so you just learn, you know, but that's
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  Speaker 2: the technical aspects of it. So I think there are
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  Speaker 2: many sides to the craft. There's technique and then there's
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  Speaker 2: the technical. Right.
• 13:45
  Speaker 3: But I think the rap game probably helped you a
• 13:47
  Speaker 3: lot in that because, like you said, you were a storyteller.
• 13:50
  Speaker 3: You were a guy that was animated, but you weren't
• 13:53
  Speaker 3: just like, you know, because I'm like trying to think
• 13:56
  Speaker 3: of the transition, how that transition happened from rapper, artist,
• 14:00
  Speaker 3: you know, to an actor.
• 14:02
  Speaker 2: So it's more of an expansion, right? So I would
• 14:04
  Speaker 2: say creativity is the eye of the storm, you know?
• 14:08
  Speaker 2: Creativity is like, you know, you know how like in
• 14:10
  Speaker 2: the eye of a hurricane is quiet? Yeah. So creativity
• 14:13
  Speaker 2: is there. And then as you go out with concentric
• 14:16
  Speaker 2: circles outside of that, you'll find that you could touch
• 14:20
  Speaker 2: rap music. You could touch acting. Because ultimately, I'm an
• 14:23
  Speaker 2: artist first. Rap music is a way that I express
• 14:27
  Speaker 2: myself as an artist. Acting is a way I express
• 14:30
  Speaker 2: myself as an artist. I was just telling somebody earlier,
• 14:33
  Speaker 2: I'm a celebrity by default. I'm an artist first. You
• 14:36
  Speaker 2: see what I'm saying? So the acting, it's different. from
• 14:43
  Speaker 2: rap music is different from hip hop. It's a different discipline,
• 14:47
  Speaker 2: you know? However, the epicenter, ground zero of it all
• 14:53
  Speaker 2: is that eye of creativity that is inside of us,
• 14:56
  Speaker 2: that spark. That's the same thing Shakespeare used. It's the
• 15:00
  Speaker 2: same thing Maya Angelou used as an author. It's the
• 15:03
  Speaker 2: same thing, you know, you feel what I'm saying? That
• 15:06
  Speaker 2: Michelangelo used sculpting, you know what I mean? It's the
• 15:08
  Speaker 2: same thing that De Niro and Denzel used. on that,
• 15:14
  Speaker 2: you know, on that screen. It's that spark. So the
• 15:16
  Speaker 2: question is, can you, that spark, can you take that
• 15:20
  Speaker 2: spark and light a creative fire that illuminates the thing
• 15:25
  Speaker 2: that you're looking to give to the world and really
• 15:28
  Speaker 2: brings it to life, right?
• 15:29
  Speaker 3: What's the one thing that, like, kind of sparks your creativity?
• 15:33
  Speaker 3: What's the one thing that kind of makes you excited
• 15:35
  Speaker 3: to keep it fresh?
• 15:36
  Speaker 2: There's two sides of that. First of all, and I
• 15:38
  Speaker 2: said this recently, but it's true, it's like, I heard
• 15:43
  Speaker 2: this quote, super dope. He said, inspiration is for amateurs.
• 15:48
  Speaker 2: Professionals have to go to work, right? So it's not
• 15:52
  Speaker 2: really about the one thing. Now, that being said, I
• 15:55
  Speaker 2: like a challenge. Right. I like a challenge. I like
• 15:59
  Speaker 2: to tackle.
• 16:00
  Speaker 1: Something that's Something that's a little scary.
• 16:02
  Speaker 2: A little scary, a little bigger than me.
• 16:04
  Speaker 1: Right, right.
• 16:04
  Speaker 2: Something where, you know, I got to humble myself and
• 16:06
  Speaker 2: buckle down and dig in. Right. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, yeah. Like,
• 16:10
  Speaker 2: it's not, you know, like, it's not easy. Right. You know,
• 16:13
  Speaker 2: I don't, I don't, I don't like, I don't go
• 16:16
  Speaker 2: after things that are, that are easily acquired. Right. When
• 16:22
  Speaker 2: it comes to my creativity. Mm-hmm. You know what I'm saying? Like,
• 16:25
  Speaker 2: I want to do things that push, that go all
• 16:27
  Speaker 2: the way and challenge me.
• 16:28
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 16:29
  Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying?
• 16:30
  Speaker 1: Like, You take direction well?
• 16:32
  Speaker 2: You have to.
• 16:33
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 16:34
  Speaker 2: You can't be successful if you don't take.
• 16:35
  Speaker 1: I mean, that's... Can you differentiate the.
• 16:38
  Speaker 2: You mean good notes from bad notes?
• 16:39
  Speaker 1: Yeah, like.
• 16:41
  Speaker 2: Speed up?
• 16:42
  Speaker 1: Yeah, like good direction versus bad.
• 16:44
  Speaker 2: Of course.
• 16:44
  Speaker 1: No, you've been in television a long time. Of course,
• 16:46
  Speaker 1: of course. There's a lot of... There's good direction, and
• 16:49
  Speaker 1: then there's sometimes that, like, I call them hacks.
• 16:51
  Speaker 2: Let me give you an example.
• 16:52
  Speaker 1: I'm just saying.
• 16:53
  Speaker 2: Let me give you an example. I feel... Yeah. Bad direction.
• 16:57
  Speaker 1: Go ahead.
• 16:58
  Speaker 2: Go faster.
• 16:58
  Speaker 1: Good direction.
• 16:59
  Speaker 2: Good direction. We need more urgency. Right. It's that, you
• 17:05
  Speaker 2: understand what I'm saying? Like, like, like, so it's how
• 17:09
  Speaker 2: you approach the actor. Plus, I shouldn't tell you about
• 17:12
  Speaker 2: your behavior unless we have something that is absolutely crucial
• 17:17
  Speaker 2: to the story point.
• 17:18
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 17:19
  Speaker 2: Then you shouldn't fight me on it. Right. If it's
• 17:21
  Speaker 2: absolutely crucial to the story point. Other than that, your
• 17:24
  Speaker 2: behavior should be your own. Yeah. And you should be
• 17:26
  Speaker 2: able to do your thing. Yeah. Okay? Um... Now, it's
• 17:31
  Speaker 2: your job to pay attention to continuity. Don't get angry
• 17:35
  Speaker 2: at me. Right now, you have some actors, they don't
• 17:37
  Speaker 2: even like that, right? I put the glass here this time,
• 17:40
  Speaker 2: I want to put the glass here that time. Some
• 17:41
  Speaker 2: people do operate that way. They don't care about any
• 17:44
  Speaker 2: of it. They only want the truth. That's like, almost like,
• 17:47
  Speaker 2: and I say this with love, but it's like a
• 17:49
  Speaker 2: Meisner kind of, you know, like everything is in the
• 17:52
  Speaker 2: moment of the thing, of the thing, of the thing,
• 17:54
  Speaker 2: and it's all about that, right? That's the Sanford Meisner thing, right?
• 17:58
  Speaker 1: Do you know the Meisner technique?
• 17:59
  Speaker 2: I understand it. Yeah, you mean, do you know the
• 18:01
  Speaker 2: Meisner technique?
• 18:02
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I did it.
• 18:03
  Speaker 2: You did it?
• 18:03
  Speaker 1: I did it repetition.
• 18:04
  Speaker 2: Repetition.
• 18:05
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you know.
• 18:06
  Speaker 2: You know? Repeat. Repeat? Repeat. Repeat.
• 18:09
  Speaker 1: Repeat.
• 18:10
  Speaker 2: Repeat.
• 18:10
  Speaker 1: Repeat.
• 18:11
  Speaker 2: Yeah, repeat. Repeat? Yeah?
• 18:14
  Speaker 1: Are you puzzled?
• 18:16
  Speaker 2: I'm puzzled.
• 18:16
  Speaker 1: You're puzzled.
• 18:17
  Speaker 2: A little puzzled.
• 18:17
  Speaker 1: You look a little puzzled.
• 18:18
  Speaker 2: I am a little puzzled.
• 18:19
  Speaker 1: You are a little puzzled.
• 18:21
  Speaker 2: Just a little puzzled.
• 18:22
  Speaker 1: Yeah. And you're amused by that.
• 18:24
  Speaker 2: You're amused by that?
• 18:25
  Speaker 1: You're amused by that.
• 18:25
  Speaker 2: I am amused by that. You are amused by that.
• 18:28
  Speaker 3: I'm fucking amused by that.
• 18:31
  Speaker 2: You did it again.
• 18:33
  Speaker 1: You stayed right with me. I think TJ had a switchblade.
• 18:39
  Speaker 1: If you're bullshitting, you went to the end. That's not it.
• 18:41
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you know what I mean?
• 18:44
  Speaker 1: I can't mess with Yolo. He's too fast. You should
• 18:49
  Speaker 1: do comedy, man.
• 18:51
  Speaker 3: You're funnier than when people, you know, they always put
• 18:53
  Speaker 3: you in these dramas.
• 18:54
  Speaker 2: That shit's hilarious. That's good shit. Funny shit, man.
• 18:59
  Speaker 1: I like comedy, man.
• 19:01
  Speaker 3: So 14 years I heard you.
• 19:03
  Speaker 2: Were on this show, NCIS? Yeah, LA.
• 19:05
  Speaker 1: Wow, man.
• 19:06
  Speaker 2: I did 14 seasons on that.
• 19:07
  Speaker 1: How you keep that fresh, you know.
• 19:09
  Speaker 2: What I mean? Yeah, that's funny. You get up in
• 19:12
  Speaker 2: the morning, baby, set that alarm clock. That's how you
• 19:15
  Speaker 2: keep it fresh. No, you know what?
• 19:16
  Speaker 1: I'm blessed by your blessing.
• 19:18
  Speaker 2: No, amen, blessed. It's scene by scene. You're definitely blessed
• 19:22
  Speaker 2: and grateful. We got to start there. That's table stakes, right?
• 19:25
  Speaker 2: And God got to sprinkle some dust on you and
• 19:27
  Speaker 2: some good things.
• 19:28
  Speaker 1: Who ever thought you'd be like 14 years, right?
• 19:31
  Speaker 2: You know what? Right. But you never limit yourself either, right? So,
• 19:35
  Speaker 2: and the only way to do something consistently long term
• 19:39
  Speaker 2: is to take it scene by scene.
• 19:41
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's right.
• 19:43
  Speaker 2: But care about every scene. Yeah. And care about every moment.
• 19:46
  Speaker 2: And I'll tell you the other thing. Don't be a
• 19:50
  Speaker 2: pain in the ass.
• 19:51
  Speaker 1: Right. That's true when you're doing television.
• 19:54
  Speaker 2: Don't be a pain in the ass. Yeah. Because if
• 19:56
  Speaker 2: you're a pain in the ass.
• 19:59
  Speaker 1: Yeah. It's a long.
• 20:01
  Speaker 2: It's tough. It's tough. It's tough. And you know.
• 20:05
  Speaker 1: And be a team player.
• 20:06
  Speaker 2: Oh my God. 100%. And not only a team player.
• 20:10
  Speaker 2: But you can't allow your level of sensitivity to be
• 20:14
  Speaker 2: detrimental to the flow of the entire production. Right.
• 20:19
  Speaker 1: Right?
• 20:20
  Speaker 2: So, like, you know, I don't care who rides in
• 20:23
  Speaker 2: the front of the van. Okay? Yeah. I don't care
• 20:26
  Speaker 2: who rides in the back. Right. You want a sandwich?
• 20:28
  Speaker 2: I'll make you a sandwich. I'm going to Crafty. You
• 20:30
  Speaker 2: want a water? Right. Yeah. I mean, it's... You feel me? Yeah.
• 20:34
  Speaker 2: You want a sandwich? Yo, you want some cookies? I'm
• 20:36
  Speaker 2: going to Kraft. You want some pizza?
• 20:37
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 20:38
  Speaker 2: You feel me?
• 20:39
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 20:39
  Speaker 2: Like, that's the... That's what... You know, because if not,
• 20:44
  Speaker 2: it becomes like.
• 20:45
  Speaker 1: Yeah. And then the people that come on, too, like,
• 20:47
  Speaker 1: I'm sure you've been.
• 20:48
  Speaker 2: The guests.
• 20:49
  Speaker 1: All the guest stars and stuff like that.
• 20:51
  Speaker 3: I mean, you know, like, they go away and you.
• 20:53
  Speaker 1: Oh, man, this guy was a good guy. He treated
• 20:55
  Speaker 1: me good, you know? Because.
• 20:56
  Speaker 2: You know who did that for me?
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: It's hard to be.
• 20:58
  Speaker 3: You know, I've had people that told me, I said, yeah,
• 21:00
  Speaker 3: you were nice to me when I was on the show.
• 21:01
  Speaker 3: And I was like, I was? He's like, yeah, well,
• 21:03
  Speaker 3: you know, I've been on the other side too. So it's,
• 21:06
  Speaker 3: you know, it's, you understand.
• 21:08
  Speaker 2: A hundred percent.
• 21:09
  Speaker 3: You know, because it's, the more giving somebody is, it's
• 21:12
  Speaker 3: not about just them.
• 21:13
  Speaker 1: It's about us.
• 21:14
  Speaker 2: That's right.
• 21:14
  Speaker 3: You know, I'm not trying to always win in the scene. Like,
• 21:16
  Speaker 3: you know, some guys are very competitive. You know, there's
• 21:19
  Speaker 3: some guys, I don't, I'm not saying I'm not competitive.
• 21:23
  Speaker 3: I am when I'm watching sports. But with acting, I don't,
• 21:27
  Speaker 3: I'm not like trying to win in the scene. I'm like,
• 21:29
  Speaker 3: we're doing the scene, me and you.
• 21:30
  Speaker 2: No.
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: I want the scene to be, I want you to
• 21:32
  Speaker 1: be great in the scene. And I'm gonna enjoy that.
• 21:35
  Speaker 2: It's gonna make me better. Let's just do a great scene.
• 21:37
  Speaker 1: That's it.
• 21:37
  Speaker 2: You do your part, I do mine. Let's just make
• 21:39
  Speaker 2: a great scene.
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: Together.
• 21:41
  Speaker 2: Right! Teamwork makes the dream work. But, like, the thing is,
• 21:44
  Speaker 2: it's like.
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: 14 years, right? Yeah.
• 21:46
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah! And now, you know, we're doing NCIS New York.
• 21:50
  Speaker 1: Congratulations.
• 21:51
  Speaker 2: Thank you. And it's, you know what it is, it's like,
• 21:53
  Speaker 2: it goes back to what you said. It's like... I
• 21:57
  Speaker 2: just want the scenes to be great. Yeah. You know, because...
• 22:00
  Speaker 2: You care about it. Yeah. You got to care. You
• 22:02
  Speaker 2: got to care. And also, to be successful, everybody has
• 22:06
  Speaker 2: to be good. You can't, you know, look, the world
• 22:09
  Speaker 2: will take care of all the rest of it. Yeah.
• 22:11
  Speaker 2: All that other stuff, everybody want to be hot to trot,
• 22:13
  Speaker 2: want to be the man and all. Let the world
• 22:15
  Speaker 2: decide all that. You have no control over that. Yeah.
• 22:18
  Speaker 2: It's pointless to go there. Just do your job. with
• 22:21
  Speaker 2: love and with the highest, with impeccable, you know, just
• 22:26
  Speaker 2: be the best you can be. All I can do
• 22:28
  Speaker 2: is be the best I can be. If that's not
• 22:30
  Speaker 2: better or if that's a six and this guy's a 19,
• 22:34
  Speaker 2: it is what it is.
• 22:35
  Speaker 3: I mean, sometimes you're going to have a bad day, right?
• 22:38
  Speaker 3: There are days where you just go, for whatever reason,
• 22:41
  Speaker 3: I was fried that day.
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: It can happen. It could happen. You could have a
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: bad night, but you weren't from a lack of trying.
• 22:47
  Speaker 2: But you know what? I just believe that you do
• 22:50
  Speaker 2: the best you can on that day. I don't even
• 22:53
  Speaker 2: think about things like that. Like, I'm just gonna be
• 22:55
  Speaker 2: the best version of me I could be today. Or
• 22:57
  Speaker 2: the best version of this character I could be today.
• 23:00
  Speaker 2: I don't even take counsel of my fears and, you know,
• 23:04
  Speaker 2: none of that. You know what I mean? Like, I
• 23:05
  Speaker 2: don't even think like that. It's just like, yo.
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: That's smart.
• 23:09
  Speaker 2: You know what I mean?
• 23:09
  Speaker 3: So who was somebody that stood out, like, you know,
• 23:12
  Speaker 3: that you worked with or, you know, that... kind of
• 23:15
  Speaker 3: inspired you or maybe changed something for you?
• 23:18
  Speaker 2: So I would say Jamie Lee Curtis was like, when
• 23:21
  Speaker 2: I did Halloween H20, was like the nicest person on
• 23:25
  Speaker 2: the planet to me. She treated me like platinum. Unbelievable.
• 23:32
  Speaker 2: She's such a good, good woman.
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: Like, what's she doing?
• 23:35
  Speaker 2: I mean, like, she would leave. She would be like,
• 23:38
  Speaker 2: you guys, you know, you can use my trailer now
• 23:40
  Speaker 2: I'm leaving. She would give us her trailer. She would
• 23:43
  Speaker 2: bring us food. Yeah. You know, like real leadership. Because
• 23:48
  Speaker 2: leadership is about caring about your people. Not caring so
• 23:51
  Speaker 2: much that they can't get nothing done, but actually caring some.
• 23:54
  Speaker 2: You know what I mean? And she provided that. You
• 23:58
  Speaker 2: know what I'm saying? And she showed that to me.
• 24:01
  Speaker 2: I took a lot of lessons from her on that set,
• 24:04
  Speaker 2: the way she carried herself. You know, a woman with
• 24:07
  Speaker 2: that level of experience and that kind of success at
• 24:10
  Speaker 2: that time. I mean, it was amazing. You know what
• 24:13
  Speaker 2: I'm saying? Is that early on? Yeah, well, it was
• 24:16
  Speaker 2: Halloween H20, so it was 20 years after the original
• 24:19
  Speaker 2: Halloween for her, right? So it was amazing. I just
• 24:24
  Speaker 2: mean the way she treated me and the crew, me
• 24:26
  Speaker 2: and my crew, you know, my team, was unbelievable. You know,
• 24:30
  Speaker 2: she was amazing.
• 24:30
  Speaker 3: One thing I wanted to ask you was, like, when
• 24:32
  Speaker 3: did you feel like you arrived as, like, okay, and
• 24:35
  Speaker 3: the first few parts you do, like, as an actor,
• 24:37
  Speaker 3: you know, I remember, then, like, you feel like, wow,
• 24:40
  Speaker 3: now I feel like, I'm starting to feel like an actor.
• 24:43
  Speaker 3: I've done it a few times. I don't know when
• 24:45
  Speaker 3: I'm doing it, but I'm figuring it out. When did
• 24:48
  Speaker 3: that happen for you? When did you think, okay, man,
• 24:51
  Speaker 3: I think I'm starting to.
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: Figure this shit out.
• 24:53
  Speaker 3: I did it a little bit now, but now I
• 24:55
  Speaker 3: feel like I'm kind of arriving as an actor. Did
• 24:58
  Speaker 3: that happen right away, or did it take a little
• 25:00
  Speaker 3: bit where you felt like?
• 25:02
  Speaker 2: I think it takes a thousand years, because it's like anything.
• 25:05
  Speaker 2: If you're really, really going to be excellent at something,
• 25:09
  Speaker 2: you never arrive. You know what I'm saying? Like like
• 25:13
  Speaker 2: you you could think you have it down cold, but
• 25:15
  Speaker 2: do you really? It's like so I would say my
• 25:18
  Speaker 2: honest answer would be like probably right now, maybe on
• 25:21
  Speaker 2: this show. Yeah. You know what I mean? Because it
• 25:24
  Speaker 2: takes that long.
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 25:26
  Speaker 2: To to dedicate yourself, you know. I had to do
• 25:29
  Speaker 2: the other show 14 years. I did a lot of acting,
• 25:31
  Speaker 2: but that's a lot of acting. That's like, I did, like,
• 25:34
  Speaker 2: damn near 400 episodes. Like, just of that. So that,
• 25:39
  Speaker 2: you know, that's a lot of drilling. That's a lot
• 25:41
  Speaker 2: of reps. You know, and you learn certain aspects of
• 25:46
  Speaker 2: what it is. And then what happens is, when the
• 25:50
  Speaker 2: day comes that someone hands you a script that requires
• 25:54
  Speaker 2: you to play a different level of music... and requires
• 25:58
  Speaker 2: more of you, all of a sudden you understand why
• 26:03
  Speaker 2: acting is so respected and why people appreciate it so much.
• 26:06
  Speaker 2: Because it's like, do this. Some people, they did it
• 26:09
  Speaker 2: in school, they did plays, they did theater, and they
• 26:11
  Speaker 2: got that early. Me, like on this show, them handing
• 26:14
  Speaker 2: me that script and me saying, wow, this little beat
• 26:17
  Speaker 2: right here, this little moment of me handing this guy
• 26:20
  Speaker 2: this wallet is like taxing.
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 26:24
  Speaker 2: You know what I mean? Like, because you can kind
• 26:26
  Speaker 2: of gloss over that. You know, you have this, oh,
• 26:29
  Speaker 2: don't look at the stage directions. Sometimes. But, you know,
• 26:33
  Speaker 2: it's like those little moments. So you start realizing how
• 26:37
  Speaker 2: important and how precious every moment is in the script.
• 26:43
  Speaker 2: And when you start realizing that, that's when you know
• 26:45
  Speaker 2: that you really respect acting. And you're ready to work
• 26:48
  Speaker 2: with other actors and your counterparts and really give the
• 26:52
  Speaker 2: craft the respect that it deserves. At least that's how
• 26:54
  Speaker 2: it was for me. Yeah.
• 26:55
  Speaker 3: No, that's an honest answer. I'm just saying, like, I
• 26:58
  Speaker 3: get it. Because I'm like, sometimes, you know, you always
• 27:00
  Speaker 3: feel like, can I still do this?
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: Can I?
• 27:02
  Speaker 2: No, you can definitely still do it.
• 27:04
  Speaker 1: You can still do it. But I'm just saying, like,
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: I like that feeling of, like, can I? Can I?
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: And I'm like, yeah. I like that little fear of, like,
• 27:10
  Speaker 1: you know.
• 27:11
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 27:12
  Speaker 1: You know.
• 27:12
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 27:13
  Speaker 3: You know, it scares me a little bit to say, yeah,
• 27:17
  Speaker 3: there's a reason why they want you to do it.
• 27:19
  Speaker 1: They feel like you.
• 27:20
  Speaker 2: Can do it.
• 27:21
  Speaker 3: It's just that little fear factor that makes you excited.
• 27:24
  Speaker 2: Well, here's the thing, right? There's two pieces of it.
• 27:27
  Speaker 2: So you got to have the challenge piece, which is
• 27:31
  Speaker 2: what you're describing, but then you got to have the know.
• 27:34
  Speaker 2: You got to know that you can do it. No,
• 27:36
  Speaker 2: you know you can do it. Like, one, you know
• 27:39
  Speaker 2: you can succeed and do it. Two, you know you
• 27:42
  Speaker 2: can do it technically, And then three, you're willing to
• 27:46
  Speaker 2: face the challenge. Yeah, sure. You feel me? Yeah. And
• 27:49
  Speaker 2: having that three-fold cord is not easily broken. No.
• 27:52
  Speaker 3: And, you know, with television and stuff like that, you've
• 27:55
  Speaker 3: got to work fast. You don't get a chance to
• 27:58
  Speaker 3: really rehearse. You've got to rehearse on your own.
• 28:01
  Speaker 2: You do.
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: You have to be prepared.
• 28:02
  Speaker 2: You've got to come there.
• 28:03
  Speaker 3: You've got to come to be ready because you don't
• 28:05
  Speaker 3: get that rehearsal time. If you ever had that in
• 28:07
  Speaker 3: a movie... You did all that rehearsal. By the time
• 28:10
  Speaker 3: you go to shoot, you're ready.
• 28:11
  Speaker 2: A movie, that's a luxury.
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: Like when I was a young kid, when we rehearsed
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: like Jungle Fever. Yeah.
• 28:17
  Speaker 3: We rehearsed them for weeks. And then, man, by the
• 28:19
  Speaker 3: time they called action, I was ready.
• 28:23
  Speaker 1: I was there. You know, this shit, you got to
• 28:25
  Speaker 1: do it on the spot.
• 28:27
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: So you got to do your own preparation.
• 28:29
  Speaker 2: That's right.
• 28:29
  Speaker 1: The mirror, whatever it might be for you.
• 28:31
  Speaker 2: That's right.
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: You know what I mean?
• 28:32
  Speaker 3: Because you're not going to get a chance to really
• 28:35
  Speaker 3: play with each other in rehearsal.
• 28:36
  Speaker 2: That's right. You know what I mean? That's right.
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: I'm just saying, you know.
• 28:40
  Speaker 2: 100%. Yeah.
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: 100%.
• 28:42
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 28:43
  Speaker 1: I mean, you know what I'm saying.
• 28:45
  Speaker 2: I do.
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: It's just like, you know, I'm not saying, you know,
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: you're always challenged. You're always learning. You're right. It's just like, okay,
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: I feel like an actor now. That's what I meant.
• 28:53
  Speaker 2: Oh, yeah. I'm starting to feel like I belong. I
• 28:56
  Speaker 2: definitely feel like I know I belong.
• 28:58
  Speaker 1: No, no, you definitely belong.
• 28:59
  Speaker 2: Oh, yeah. Yeah, for sure.
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but I'm just saying, like, early on.
• 29:02
  Speaker 2: Oh, 100%. You're right.
• 29:03
  Speaker 1: It takes you a little while before you go.
• 29:04
  Speaker 2: It does.
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: Yeah, because there's people looking at you like, oh, mama,
• 29:07
  Speaker 1: you're in this.
• 29:08
  Speaker 2: But you know, a lot of that is also, too,
• 29:09
  Speaker 2: we can sometimes have.
• 29:11
  Speaker 1: Because don't forget, you were a star before you did that.
• 29:14
  Speaker 2: I know.
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: So now you got that stigma, like, okay, yeah, yeah,
• 29:17
  Speaker 1: he's a star, but... Can he act?
• 29:20
  Speaker 2: Yeah. And that's the fun part, though. Yeah. But that's
• 29:22
  Speaker 2: the fun part.
• 29:22
  Speaker 3: And change people's, you know, like, surprise them.
• 29:26
  Speaker 2: What's deeper than that is when you can get to
• 29:28
  Speaker 2: the point where, like, you know there's a saying, like,
• 29:35
  Speaker 2: if the lion doesn't write his story, the hunter will
• 29:37
  Speaker 2: write it for him. So it's kind of like, yeah,
• 29:41
  Speaker 2: there might have been a time in my life when
• 29:43
  Speaker 2: I thought like that. Now the thing is, like, I'm
• 29:46
  Speaker 2: just writing a story, B. Like, just read it. Like,
• 29:49
  Speaker 2: you know, your narrative and who you think I am.
• 29:52
  Speaker 2: this is the story. I'm giving you the script. I'm
• 29:55
  Speaker 2: showing y'all the script. Like, I know you, no, no,
• 29:58
  Speaker 2: I'm writing this script. Let me pluck this chicken.
• 30:00
  Speaker 3: You still get a lot of joy out of, I mean, like,
• 30:02
  Speaker 3: you know, you still get the high doing it. 100%.
• 30:04
  Speaker 1: Does it always feel like.
• 30:06
  Speaker 2: Even more.
• 30:06
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 30:07
  Speaker 2: Even more because, like, with the new show, like I
• 30:10
  Speaker 2: was telling you earlier, before it was, like, just certain
• 30:12
  Speaker 2: chords and we were playing this. Now, this show is, like,
• 30:16
  Speaker 2: a whole nother level of... a different type of contribution
• 30:19
  Speaker 2: to the NCIS universe.
• 30:20
  Speaker 1: Is it the same character?
• 30:22
  Speaker 2: It's the same character, but it's a whole nother thing.
• 30:24
  Speaker 1: Another thing.
• 30:25
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah. Scott Gemmel created it. Byron Belasco, who did Kingdom,
• 30:30
  Speaker 2: he's the showrunner. My man Adam Davidson, he's an Oscar winner,
• 30:37
  Speaker 2: got an Oscar for his short film. I mean, it
• 30:41
  Speaker 2: feels different. Scott Conn.
• 30:43
  Speaker 1: Oh, I like him.
• 30:44
  Speaker 2: Scott Conn is in it. Jennifer Beals.
• 30:47
  Speaker 1: Nice.
• 30:48
  Speaker 2: You know, it feels like something. It feels, it's fun. Yeah. Yeah,
• 30:52
  Speaker 2: it's fun.
• 30:52
  Speaker 1: Congratulations.
• 30:53
  Speaker 2: More gritty. New York's the main character.
• 30:55
  Speaker 1: And you're back home.
• 30:56
  Speaker 2: Yeah, we're shooting all over New York, baby. You know
• 30:59
  Speaker 2: what I mean?
• 30:59
  Speaker 1: Nothing like that, right? Come on. Come on.
• 31:03
  Speaker 2: Come on. You miss the music, man? Nah, you know,
• 31:07
  Speaker 2: I don't miss it because I still do it.
• 31:09
  Speaker 1: You still do it.
• 31:10
  Speaker 2: I still do it. And I do live music. Like,
• 31:12
  Speaker 2: I got a festival coming up November 29th, Rock the
• 31:15
  Speaker 2: Bells Festival in New Jersey. be at the Prudential Center,
• 31:17
  Speaker 2: I'ma have Lil' Kim on there and Method Man and
• 31:20
  Speaker 2: Redman and Sean and Ghostface Killer, Raekwon and The Lox
• 31:27
  Speaker 2: and D-Nice with Latoya Luckett and Rapsody and Roxanne Chante.
• 31:33
  Speaker 2: So I still do all of my music and all
• 31:37
  Speaker 2: of that. You know, just take it step by step, baby.
• 31:42
  Speaker 1: Man, you were the guy. I remember years ago, you
• 31:45
  Speaker 1: were like, the women all loved you. Even my wife.
• 31:47
  Speaker 3: Everybody liked you, man. You were like, you had that
• 31:50
  Speaker 3: sex appeal, that coolness about you, and you.
• 31:52
  Speaker 1: Still have it.
• 31:53
  Speaker 2: Well, hey.
• 31:55
  Speaker 1: Settle down. Come on. What makes you happy, man? What
• 32:00
  Speaker 1: makes you really happy?
• 32:01
  Speaker 2: Yo, you know what? I focus on joy. Because a
• 32:03
  Speaker 2: lot of times, happiness is externally motivated. You know what
• 32:07
  Speaker 2: I mean? So I don't, nothing can make me happy
• 32:11
  Speaker 2: because then that would be giving my power to whatever
• 32:13
  Speaker 2: it is that makes me happy.
• 32:14
  Speaker 1: You're just living it.
• 32:15
  Speaker 2: I'm in joy. I'm feeling joy. Like I'm happy because
• 32:18
  Speaker 2: I decided to be.
• 32:19
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah.
• 32:20
  Speaker 2: I don't, you know, I make me happy. You know
• 32:23
  Speaker 2: what I'm saying?
• 32:25
  Speaker 3: You just seem like you just, this is the way
• 32:27
  Speaker 3: you wake up.
• 32:28
  Speaker 2: No question. Really? I promise you. Damn. I promise you.
• 32:32
  Speaker 1: I got to take some of that. I'm a moody bastard.
• 32:36
  Speaker 1: But that's the creativeness of me, you know? Because I'm
• 32:38
  Speaker 1: always looking for that high, you know?
• 32:40
  Speaker 2: Well, you know, the high comes from making your dreams
• 32:43
  Speaker 2: a reality.
• 32:43
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and I've done a lot of that. But there's
• 32:45
  Speaker 1: still more to do.
• 32:46
  Speaker 2: So you just keep doing it. So you got to
• 32:49
  Speaker 2: get comfortable being uncomfortable. And, like, it's what you do.
• 32:53
  Speaker 2: You like the high, so it's what you do in
• 32:56
  Speaker 2: the valleys that take you to the peaks. And it's
• 32:58
  Speaker 2: what you do on the peaks that extend the peaks.
• 33:00
  Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying? So you just gotta, you
• 33:03
  Speaker 2: just gotta lean in. Like sometimes I'll be uncomfortable. There's
• 33:06
  Speaker 2: times when, you know, we're struggling, we're trying to put the,
• 33:09
  Speaker 2: you know, make things come together. You're working through things,
• 33:12
  Speaker 2: you get a little, but you can't be like, frustrated
• 33:15
  Speaker 2: like an eight-year-old trying to take their turtleneck off you
• 33:17
  Speaker 2: know i'm saying like you gotta right you gotta just
• 33:19
  Speaker 2: lean in you gotta dig in yeah and just go
• 33:22
  Speaker 2: get it right you know i mean because you know
• 33:24
  Speaker 2: at the end of the day we all out of
• 33:26
  Speaker 2: here anyway so you're just gonna be laying there like
• 33:29
  Speaker 2: i mean what.
• 33:29
  Speaker 3: Is there to i know you can't take it with
• 33:31
  Speaker 3: you so just go on and just make it happen
• 33:33
  Speaker 3: right just make your dreams a reality and don't take
• 33:36
  Speaker 3: no for an answer.
• 33:38
  Speaker 2: Even from you.
• 33:39
  Speaker 1: Even from yourself, right? Yeah.
• 33:41
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 33:41
  Speaker 1: Because that's the struggle sometimes.
• 33:43
  Speaker 2: Absolutely.
• 33:43
  Speaker 1: You know?
• 33:44
  Speaker 2: Absolutely.
• 33:45
  Speaker 1: You talk to yourself a lot.
• 33:46
  Speaker 2: It's a struggle all the time. Yeah. Because you're always
• 33:48
  Speaker 2: going to have that voice.
• 33:49
  Speaker 1: You talk to yourself?
• 33:50
  Speaker 2: Of course. You have to.
• 33:51
  Speaker 1: In the shower? Period.
• 33:54
  Speaker 2: Out the shower. In the tub. With my foot pointed. Absolutely.
• 34:02
  Speaker 1: You're a hot tub guy.
• 34:03
  Speaker 2: You better know it. Wish it was a time machine.
• 34:07
  Speaker 2: You know what I mean? No doubt.
• 34:11
  Speaker 1: You definitely stay in shape, man.
• 34:12
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you have to. Well, you want to be the
• 34:14
  Speaker 2: best version of you. It's not a competition. You ain't
• 34:17
  Speaker 2: got to be like this guy or be like that person,
• 34:19
  Speaker 2: but the best version of you because you know You
• 34:22
  Speaker 2: know what you see. You know what you're supposed to be.
• 34:24
  Speaker 2: We all know what we're supposed to be. And we
• 34:26
  Speaker 2: all go ebb and flow. I've had moments where I'm
• 34:28
  Speaker 2: looking in the mirror and I look like I threw
• 34:30
  Speaker 2: a pebble on the side of my, and it went,
• 34:33
  Speaker 2: I was like, God damn, I'm going to change that.
• 34:35
  Speaker 2: I'm getting that gym. You know, so, you know, but
• 34:39
  Speaker 2: we all do our best. You just, we know what
• 34:41
  Speaker 2: we need to do. The question is, can we do it?
• 34:44
  Speaker 2: Because we all go ebb and flow. But can we
• 34:46
  Speaker 2: do it?
• 34:47
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 34:47
  Speaker 2: It's like it's not because the mistake I think people
• 34:49
  Speaker 2: make is that they feel like they got to be
• 34:51
  Speaker 2: perfect all the time. And that's when you run into
• 34:54
  Speaker 2: problems because it's not realistic.
• 34:55
  Speaker 1: No, it's not.
• 34:56
  Speaker 2: It's not realistic. But what is realistic is you saying, OK,
• 35:00
  Speaker 2: I'm making a conscious decision to step my game up.
• 35:04
  Speaker 2: You could do that on any given day, any given Sunday,
• 35:07
  Speaker 2: any given Sunday. You could be like, yo, I'm stepping
• 35:09
  Speaker 2: my game. You could do that at any point. You
• 35:11
  Speaker 2: could say, yo, I'm going to step my game up.
• 35:13
  Speaker 2: That's it. I'm tired of this. I'm not going to
• 35:15
  Speaker 2: settle for it.
• 35:15
  Speaker 1: You could be like a motivational speaker. You could be.
• 35:20
  Speaker 1: You pump people up.
• 35:21
  Speaker 2: You know what I mean?
• 35:21
  Speaker 1: You got that kind of gift about you.
• 35:24
  Speaker 2: Thank you.
• 35:24
  Speaker 1: You should maybe write a book or something. Vibes.
• 35:29
  Speaker 2: Good vibes?
• 35:29
  Speaker 1: A little Cool J in the house, man.
• 35:31
  Speaker 2: No question. Prince Street pizza, baby.
• 35:33
  Speaker 1: Yeah, baby.
• 35:34
  Speaker 2: You know what I mean? Extra sauce.
• 35:35
  Speaker 1: Don't forget me. Bring me on the show, man.
• 35:38
  Speaker 2: I got you. I'd love to do something with you.
• 35:39
  Speaker 2: I got you.
• 35:40
  Speaker 1: All right.
• 35:40
  Speaker 2: We're going to do that. We're going to do that.
• 35:42
  Speaker 1: That'd be fun.
• 35:42
  Speaker 2: We're going to do that.