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#190 - STAND (Part 1) The Reality of Spiritual Warfare - With Special Guest David Jett · The OneCry Podcast

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  As believers, God has called us to snatch others from the fire.
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  Well, when we snatch them from the fire, we're snatching them from the clutches of the enemy.
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  And many times it's to save them, obviously, but for others it's to set them free.
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  Welcome to the One Cry Podcast, a nationwide call for spiritual awakening.
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  The goal, accelerating the movement of God through sharing revival truth, stories, and reports.
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  Well, welcome to the One Cry podcast. I'm Kyle Reno, and I got a special guest
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  with us today. This is David Jett. Man, you want to introduce yourself?
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  Hey, guys. My name's David, and just excited to be here with you today.
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  That's awesome. Well, you have heard, let's see, if you've been with us a while,
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  and I think now, so you know, there's like 200 episodes of this podcast at this point.
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  Started several years ago, and you've heard his name a million times.
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  He's done a couple podcasts with us on fasting before, but we're actually starting
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  today a three-week series.
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  And I'm going to tell you where it came from. So Bill Eliff, Byron, they love.
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  He's my pastor, honestly. He was one of the first spiritual fathers that I had.
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  And we had the privilege of serving together.
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  I got to actually, he brought me in and entrusted the church he led for 17 years.
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  And now he's with us as a teaching pastor, but really doing what we're going to talk about.
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  In the next three weeks. So we're going to spend three weeks talking about truths
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  that he's actually captured in a book that's soon to come near you.
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  That's right. Called Stand.
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  And it's a really a help to believers to understand the spiritual realm in which
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  we live and how to, based off of, honestly, what God's taught you through his
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  word and through experience. Right.
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  Lots of stories of seeing the demonic well. Right.
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  And then how to, you know, appropriate the authority that we have in Christ.
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  So this is a conversation that all of us need to have, but not many of us have ever had. Right.
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  Right. So I would love first, I think it's hysterical because I know you.
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  When you start thinking about the demonic or you think, well,
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  man, this is going to be like some super mystical guy. Yeah.
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  So maybe tell them where you come from and how this journey started.
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  Yeah. So I came from a Christian family.
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  My dad was a Baptist pastor. He just passed away back actually in two years
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  ago, a year and a half ago.
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  And just an amazing man of God. I don't have any of those quirks from growing up weird.
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  In fact, I say in my book, I'm basically Joe Normal.
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  I just kind of grew up normal, played ball, went to college,
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  majored in math, computer science stuff, and got saved whenever I was 22 years
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  old. I gave my life to Christ and everything transformed inside of me.
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  You know how that is, is I had been going to church and then the church came
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  into me and it just changed everything.
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  And so in that, I just went from a guy that was a good churchgoer,
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  somebody that would have been in a lot of your churches that you have,
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  to being a person who suddenly had this insatiable hunger to be with God and
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  be in his word. I couldn't stop it. It was like...
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  I always used to say it was like a drug. It's like I just kept wanting more and more.
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  And when I was 25 years old, God called me into the ministry.
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  I was a computer guy, worked in computers. But he left me in the computer field
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  for another eight years while, honestly, he was doing a lot of breaking.
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  As a matter of fact, some of you may know about the stuff that one actually
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  came out of in Life Action Ministries.
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  And Del Faisenfeld actually came to the church I was in in Oklahoma and,
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  man, just radically was used by God to change my life.
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  In fact, I remember back, it was about 1989.
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  It was his second to last crusade that he went on or time that he went on Revival
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  Series before he passed away or before he couldn't do any more.
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  But it just had a radical change inside of me of understanding surrender and
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  brokenness in a whole new way.
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  And then God allowed me to go in the ministry. And here's the thing, man.
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  I was one of those guys, like probably some of you watching,
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  that we believe the Bible. It's not that we didn't. And we believe the demonic. Yeah.
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  You know, I think that's something that we believe about. But we're just a little
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  bit unsure about what it is.
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  If you went to seminary or went to Bible college or something like that,
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  you probably didn't get taught much on that. I didn't.
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  And yet the Bible, there's a problem about reading the Bible.
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  When you read the Bible, you start running into things. That are there.
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  And what happened to me was, honestly, I was in ministry.
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  I was young in a church just as a minister and had a young lady come see me.
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  Her name was Chelsea, and I'll never forget her. Now, she came in, and she was a mess.
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  I mean, just nervous and overwhelmed. And so I'm sitting here to be a minister
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  to kind of try to help it, I don't even know why she's coming. Right.
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  But she sits down in my office, and I said, well, Chelsea, what can I do to
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  help you? And she said, I've got a demon, and I want it gone.
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  And you went rut-row. Yeah, I'm going. And, of course, first,
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  probably like some of you watching, I'm like, oh, I wonder if it's,
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  you know, okay, as I say, you know, okay, what was she smoking last night? What's she on?
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  And all those things. And she looked like she could have been like that. But she was in a panic.
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  And so I thought, well, try to do a little more investigation, you know.
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  And so I said, well, what makes you say that? And she said, because there's
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  another voice, and I remember, there's another voice in my head that's not mine that's talking.
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  And so then, you know, of course, I'm still kind of thinking,
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  well, still, it could be psychological and all those kind of things.
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  And so I asked the next question, and that was, well, how did it get there?
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  How long has it been there? How did it get there?
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  And she said, it's been there six weeks. And I said, well, how did it get there?
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  And then she told me this story. At the time, we were living in Alabama,
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  but she was living in Atlanta with her boyfriend, and he was into a lot of Wiccan kind of stuff.
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  And she said she was at the home with him and said he had all these candles all over the room.
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  And she said, I was looking into one of those candles.
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  And she said, suddenly, a face appeared in the candle, and it came at me and took my breath away.
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  And she said that was when the voice started.
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  Well, I'm stuck now because everything that you might read in Scripture or might
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  think, this is something demonic. Right.
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  But I really didn't know what to do. Wow. I didn't know how to make it.
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  As a minister of the gospel. Right.
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  Yeah. Nobody had taught me how to do it. I mean, I'd read some books on it,
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  you know, and stuff. But I'm in this, well, you know, long story short,
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  I basically prayed for her, encouraged her, talked to her about the gospel, did those things.
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  But she was in such a disheveled place.
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  She just didn't know what to do. And she walked out of my office unchanged.
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  And I remember going home, and I was just broke. I couldn't get her off my mind.
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  And I got before God. And I said, you're right. I didn't know what to do, but I want to.
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  And God took me on a journey. It's been now 30 years since I've been on this
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  journey and began to show me in the scripture, but also just in the world we live in,
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  that not only is the demonic active and not only is it real,
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  but that we have the authority to stand against it.
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  And so that was really how it began for me was just...
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  You know, on one side, I kind of said I bumbled into it and it was just working.
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  And so even writing the book, the reason I'm writing it is basically it's written
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  kind of as a boots on the ground kind of book with just full of stories,
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  short chapters, because I have three sons that are adult sons grown and married.
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  And I'm writing with them in mind that, you know, they're going to stay in a
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  chapter about 10 minutes.
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  That's right. And but then I try to explain what I've learned over the years
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  on how to how to really walk in the victory that's already been won.
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  You know, I'm just listening. I think about our listeners specifically,
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  probably on the One Cry podcast, because God has done work in your heart.
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  That he's awakened a desire for personal revival, revival in your church,
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  a move of God in your city, community.
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  We're believing for national and global awakening.
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  And you are there. God woke you up, man, passion for his word,
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  all those things, and then puts you in calling into a ministry context.
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  And what you realize and what you've discipled me and so many others in is that
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  there's a spiritual realm. Yeah.
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  And that it impacts people. And the beauty of what I love, I get the privilege
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  of reading the book before y'all do, is that the heart of it is to help people. Right.
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  Is to help people that are impacted by a spiritual world. Right.
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  And I think that our listeners, specifically, if you've got a heart for revival, you know, you said this.
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  You've heard me quote him a hundred times on this, that spiritual activity always
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  brings spiritual activity. Right.
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  And so if you want to see God move, you're going to see the enemy oppose.
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  Right. And you're going to see that in the hearts of people.
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  So this first podcast, because we got two more that we're going to do that I
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  think is going to get really nuts and bolts, you know, help you see well and
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  then how to start believing for seeing people helped.
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  But what would be your encouragement? You know, because I mean, you talk about it.
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  The people that get that go in this. Yeah.
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  Radical pursuit of the demonic or spiritual warfare oftentimes end up in really dangerous places.
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  Yeah. So as we start here, this conversation, and I've heard you say these things,
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  how would you encourage people to enter into a season where God is going to
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  teach you, but to do it in a healthy way? Right.
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  So here's what I would say to anybody that's watching.
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  This is what I've seen happen with people. they get interested in the demonic.
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  And before long, they become infatuated with the demonic. And here's what I've
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  learned that Satan will do.
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  He wants to stay hidden in the dark until you expose him.
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  And once you bring him out, he wants to take center stage.
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  And I'm just not going to let him do it. And I would encourage you the same way.
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  Make your focus Jesus first and foremost. Now, I've had people that have come
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  to me, well, you just need to focus on Jesus. Absolutely.
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  That's where I am. That's what I've done all my ministry, all my Christian life.
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  But I would also say this, that Jesus talked about demons more than anyone else in the Bible.
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  And I think we sometimes just kind of sidestep that. And I know how it is.
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  I've used arguments to avoid having to deal with things I'm uncomfortable with
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  in my own life. And I know that some of us may do that. But in this,
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  the first and primary focus is to spend time in God's Word every day.
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  Focus on Jesus. Allow the Holy Spirit to guide you.
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  Another thing I would say I've learned that just kind of helped me as we're
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  talking, and we'll see this more, is I can't see in the spirit realm, and neither can you.
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  But here's what has helped me so much over the years. The Holy Spirit dwelling in us does.
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  And can and he'll guide us as the bible says
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  he'll guide us into all the truth and over these
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  years i have learned that uh he is
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  trustworthy and can be trusted even in those things so that's yeah what i would
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  say even as we're starting just know this this is not and the book is not uh
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  to celebrate to glorify anything demonic it's just to to see that in the world
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  we live in as As believers,
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  God has called us to snatch others from the fire.
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  Well, when we snatch them from the fire, we're snatching them from the clutches of the enemy.
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  And many times it's to save them, obviously. But for others,
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  it's to set them free. Amen.
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  And so that's kind of where I come from and where the book is focused. I love what you said.
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  You're writing a book that's explaining those things, but you've encouraged us.
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  But I encourage you to go to the book. That's right. Yeah, and what I love about
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  your book is, I've told so many people, is that it's based out of God's word.
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  Yeah, that God's word, and you and I have said this, you know,
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  is the window in which we see. Yes.
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  And so I want you to hear this to our listeners.
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  You know, God's, for a long, and I have innumerable stories of the ways God's
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  used Brother David in people's lives to help them find freedom.
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  And but what I what I think God did in you is he gave you such a hunger for
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  his word that kept you grounded. Right.
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  And so this is not about starting some spiritual pursuit that moves beyond God's word. Right.
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  It moves through God's word and and will only be as healthy as your love for Jesus.
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  That's right. Yeah. That's right. So so is the foundational things first. Right.
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  And then from that, though, and this is maybe you could tell us a little bit.
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  What do you think breeds so much confusion, you know, around this and some of
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  our, let's be real, our cultural bias. Right.
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  Because the way we view this is not the way believers everywhere view this,
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  meaning like in our Western culture.
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  Yeah. Yeah. So I've got to tell you a cool story.
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  I actually have taught spiritual warfare in Africa and in India and even in
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  South America and have taught in Africa several times.
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  So any African listeners just know that I've been taught it in Tanzania,
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  Kenya, Rwanda, and had a great time several times in both of those teaching on spiritual warfare.
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  But one of my times in Rwanda, I was there teaching a group of house church
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  pastors on spiritual warfare.
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  Prayer and as we were walking through it one of the pastors raised his hand
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  and then in Swahili the interpreter had to tell me what he was saying but uh
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  he asked a question and he said pastor um do you believe that a person can ever
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  be sick and it not be caused by a demon.
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  And it just caused me to laugh a little bit because, and the reason why was
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  because in America, the question would be just the opposite.
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  It would be, Pastor, do you ever believe a person could be sick and it actually be caused by a demon?
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  And so here's what I came to, and this is what I want to say to you that I had to learn.
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  I'm learning this still, but I had to see was you've got two people,
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  a pastor in Africa and even a pastor like maybe yourself or others in America,
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  who believe the Bible is the inerrant and fallible word of God,
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  believe that the Holy Spirit dwelling in us guides us into all the truth,
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  are going to be in heaven with Jesus one day, and yet we're coming from two
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  completely opposite sides.
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  And I believe that the problem is not that one believes the Bible more.
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  I believe it's our cultural bias. I really have learned that.
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  And so how I have to help in Africa is that the African people,
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  by and large, come from a more of an animistic type background.
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  Now, animism is just the belief that everything has animates or has a spirit, if you will.
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  And so you have animals and objects and plants and even words can animate.
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  They can have spirits with them. And so when they become a believer,
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  what happens is that in their culture, if somebody is sick, they're sick because of an evil spirit.
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  Well, when they become a Christian, they just kind of translate that cultural
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  idea or bias into Christianity and say, well, if they're sick, it's because of a demon.
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  And in our culture, which is a materialistic culture, which just means that
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  basically it means that everything that we believe has to be understood by our five senses.
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  And that's just what materialism is, that it's about matter and that that's what the focus is.
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  And so if you can't see it and smell and taste, touch those kind of things,
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  that it doesn't exist. And so when we give our life to Christ and we come to
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  the word of God, we come to the word of God from that cultural bias.
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  And so if somebody's sick, well, it's just they're sick.
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  And what I've had to say, of course, in Africa is what I told that pastor and
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  told those pastors is, yes, we live in a fallen world.
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  A person can be sick because of the fallen world in which we live in. Disease is real.
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  The Bible says the last enemy to be destroyed is death. So my wife is a nurse
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  practitioner, and she asked me years ago, you know, what if I thought everybody
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  ought to always be healed?
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  And I said, well, Kathy, all of us carry the disease of death.
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  But to us in America, I think we need to humble ourselves to the reality that,
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  you know what, my culture's had a bigger influence on me than I want to admit.
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  We all want to say, man, I believe the Bible and word for word, and we do.
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  And yet what happens is our culture many times has dictated I know I found this
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  in my life and I still fight this is it dictates the way that I come to the
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  scripture so when it comes to the demonic,
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  We're going to, from a cultural bias, either come in and say,
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  well, they were all defeated in the resurrection of Jesus, and therefore we
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  have no problems with them anymore, which basically you have to tear out everything past the Gospels.
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  Because you find over and over and over the New Testament writers talking about
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  Satan buffeted me, Paul talked about.
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  You've got the demonic happening constantly, and you have that.
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  Or you have to say, hey, you know what, God, I need help.
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  And that's where I went, is I just said, I don't understand.
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  And one of the reasons I'm writing the book, Kyle, is because I've read a lot of books.
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  And I've never really felt like there were hardly any that really captured from
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  a really true scriptural standpoint.
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  They tell a lot of stories. Yeah. And talk about those things.
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  But I read some of them and I really question some basic, I mean,
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  fundamental biblical doctrines that I may be following that I'm like, you know.
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  And I think there's a little bit of too much glorification of Satan.
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  I agree. And so with us, I think the confusion comes in that we,
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  you know, and I would say this, that Satan doesn't want us to know.
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  Yeah. And I know with me, that's what happened. And yet, whenever I began to
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  walk into it, I had to be careful and realize that, you,
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  He's going to lead me down a path I don't believe in Scripture.
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  And so that's why I want to say stay with the word. That's good.
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  All right. So here we are. We're going to wrap up today's episode.
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  But, man, this is a good start.
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  So let me tell you what I love about this, which is so a part of the recipe
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  for revival. It starts with humility.
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  So to encourage our listeners, I'm going to ask Brother David to lead us to pray in a moment.
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  But why don't we humble ourselves on the front side of this journey and say,
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  Lord, first, I want to be as white hot for God as I've ever been,
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  as passionate in my pursuit of you, Jesus.
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  I'm going to lay hold of your word as the lens in which to see these things.
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  But then I am going to say to the Lord, Lord, I don't know what I need to know
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  here. Right. Yeah, I don't understand.
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  There's revelation that I don't have. Right. And that I'm desperate.
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  And that I'm going to just lay my bents down.
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  I'm going to know where I've come through and ask for a biblical worldview in
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  light of a spiritual world that helps us better understand the demonic.
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  So maybe you can do this for us, brother. I lead our listeners for a moment
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  here that we sort of humble ourselves on the front side.
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  We're going to get into it next week about how do you discern if this might be demonic.
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  And on the other side, it's going to get biblically practical in that.
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  But let's get our hearts in the right spot. Would you lead us? Yeah.
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  Father i just pray right now for everyone that's listening
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  and watching god i pray that you would
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  just move right now and let them know as
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  your child that truly what your word says that greater is he who's in us than
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  he who's in the world that lord jesus whenever you said it is finished on the
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  cross you meant it that you came to destroy the works of the devil and you did
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  that victoriously And now, Father,
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  the Holy Spirit dwelling in us as the body of Christ here on earth.
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  You're advancing that victory through us.
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  And so, Father, I pray that we would see that we're not in some kind of battle
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  that we have to try to win because you've already won,
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  but that we would see that we can follow you as the captain of the army and
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  that you're going to guide us into victory upon victory.
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  I also pray, Father, that right now you would encourage many pastors that are
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  watching and listening, that, Father, they would know that,
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  first of all, they have been part of many victories, spiritual warfare victories
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  in their ministry, in their life.
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  And, Father, just remind them.
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  And as we go forward, I pray that, Father, we would truly humble ourselves.
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  Father, one of the things you've led me over the years that I've said in our
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  church, I've said to people, and it just is where my heart is,
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  is that, Father, I don't know what I'm doing, but I do know who I'm following.
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  And I believe you know what you're doing. So I just want to say to all of you
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  there, just make an honest prayer.
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  And when it comes especially to spiritual warfare and to the area of the spirit
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  world, just be humble before God and say, Father, I don't know what I'm doing.
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  But I choose now and know who I'm following.
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  And I believe that you really know what you're doing. And so,
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  Father, I pray that you would guide us all into all the truth,
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  all for your glory. That's right.
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  And pray it in Jesus' name. Amen. Amen.
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  Well, listen, thank you so much for taking some time. We tell them every time,
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  hey, if this truth impacted you, like everything, The gospel is always intended
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  to never stop with us. Share it with somebody else.
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  So maybe on the front side, you say, hey, dude, I just listened to this.
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  You want to send it to a friend.
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  Listen and then have conversations. Yeah. Share it with another friend.
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  And then don't miss next week because we're going to dive in a little bit deeper.
• 23:47
  Again, thank you for your time. Look forward to some time together next week.
• 23:50
  Music.