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The Landy Expedition on Heading Off on the Trip of Your Dreams · The Overland Journal Podcast

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Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to the Overland Journal podcast. I'm your
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Speaker 1: host Scott Brady. I'm joined today by Harry and Chloe
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Speaker 1: from the Landy Expedition. Now I bumped into them when
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Speaker 1: I was in Nairobi, Kenya. In fact, we were driving
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Speaker 1: two opposite directions on the same road and we were
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Speaker 1: able to connect, have lunch and hear a lot about
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Speaker 1: their journey. I was so inspired by their trip and
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Speaker 1: the time that they've taken to explore Africa that I
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Speaker 1: really wanted to have the conversation with them on the podcast.
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Speaker 1: They both had regular jobs and they decided to leave
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Speaker 1: those behind, buy the land Rover their dreams, ship it
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Speaker 1: down to South Africa. They actually had an alue cab
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Speaker 1: camper fitted at that time, and then they drove it
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Speaker 1: steadily up the east coast of Africa before deciding to
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Speaker 1: start to make their way back south and west again.
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Speaker 1: So very cool conversation about traveling as a couple, how
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Speaker 1: they earned money on the road as content creators, and
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Speaker 1: how they really kind of made the decision made that
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Speaker 1: leap to go and explore the world.
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Speaker 1: so much for being on the podcast with me today.
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Speaker 1: It was so fun to connect with you guys over
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Speaker 1: the last couple of weeks. Because we're both bouncing around
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Speaker 1: Africa and we just had a great little lunch. If
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Speaker 1: you are all ever in Nairobi, go to Cultiva. It's
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Speaker 1: become a little obsession of mine over the last few days.
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Speaker 1: So it was nice to have a nice to have
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Speaker 1: a proper cappuccino. I think we had a passion fruit.
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Speaker 1: We had about seven of those. I think we would
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Speaker 1: have kept kept in coming. They were they were non alcoholic,
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Speaker 1: but I wanted more. Yeah, yeah, for sure. It was delicious, delicious. Well,
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Speaker 1: I'm so excited to talk to you about your adventure.
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Speaker 1: I think you have such an inspiring story. So let's
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Speaker 1: go back to not so much the beginning, but where
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Speaker 1: did you both grow up in the UK?
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Speaker 3: So I grew up close to the South Coast in Hampshire, so.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, all right, yeah yeah, and me just just north
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Speaker 4: of London on a farm side.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, south coast of England.
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Speaker 1: What a cool what a cool thing to do. And
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Speaker 1: in growing up in the South, I noticed when I
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Speaker 1: traveled in the south in that part of the UK
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Speaker 1: that it was actually quite a bit more temperate. I
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Speaker 1: was surprised by that. And there wasn't as many people
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Speaker 1: there as you think, given the fact that it was
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Speaker 1: such a temperate part of the UK, so, yeah, that's
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Speaker 1: really beautiful. And then how was it, How was it
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Speaker 1: growing up on a farm in the in the UK?
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Speaker 1: What were some of the things you learned about life
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Speaker 1: growing up on a farm in the UK.
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Speaker 4: I always tell stories about how we used to get
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Speaker 4: vehicles from people that were scrapping vehicles in the local village,
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Speaker 4: and we'd stripped them all all downs, out of doors,
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Speaker 4: out of the windscreen, and like rally them around the farm.
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Speaker 4: So we used to get up to some fun, fun stuff.
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Speaker 1: I think that that happens on every farm in the world. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: but I don't think it matters which country. Yeah, because
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Speaker 1: after I was out of the military, spent a few
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Speaker 1: years living on my animal ranch and kind of the
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Speaker 1: same thing. Patrols. Yeah, you know, no windshield.
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Speaker 4: We used to get cars stuck and I'd run down
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Speaker 4: to the farm and pick up my mum's discovery and
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Speaker 4: quickly whip it up the top of the field and
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Speaker 4: drag everything out.
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Speaker 3: You've got some stories, don't know if they're appropriateline, but no.
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Speaker 4: It was. It was good fun. And you do learn
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Speaker 4: a lot of like small mechanical skills and how to Yeah,
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Speaker 4: just fix things when you need to and make a plan.
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Speaker 4: Make a plan. Yeah, I was going to say that.
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Speaker 1: And you also spent so much time outdoors, which is
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Speaker 1: quite rare in the UK. Not everybody gets to do that.
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Speaker 1: There's a lot of people work indoors, give whatever and
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Speaker 1: things like that, so I would suspect that it also
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Speaker 1: influenced your love of being outside.
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Speaker 4: We have a woodland where we'd often go and camp
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Speaker 4: for the weekend and we still do now. When we
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Speaker 4: were back in the UK a few months ago, Yeah,
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Speaker 4: we went up there camping and just love it. I
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Speaker 4: really love the place, you know.
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Speaker 1: And Chloe, what was some of your experiences along the
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Speaker 1: coast or growing up that inspired your interest in travel
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Speaker 1: to begin with.
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Speaker 3: Oh, I think I've always loved nature and being outside,
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Speaker 3: so I think, yeah, that has really inspired me to
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Speaker 3: travel and stuff. And my parents did a big trip
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Speaker 3: to Australia and New Zealand when just before they got married,
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Speaker 3: just before they had me, and I've always heard so
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Speaker 3: many stories about their experiences and some pictures and things,
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Speaker 3: and I think that has always been in my mind
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Speaker 3: that I've wanted to travel and see the world because
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Speaker 3: of the experience that they had.
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Speaker 1: Isn't it incredible how important our parents are to not
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Speaker 1: only our self confidence, our belief in what's possible, but
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Speaker 1: a lot of times with the inspiration of what's possible,
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Speaker 1: you know, with how close my parents were, it just
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Speaker 1: showed me. It modeled like what a healthy relationship could be. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: and it sounds like your parents traveling and seeing the
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Speaker 1: world just showed you like that's normal and that's so
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Speaker 1: it's possible.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely, and made it something that I knew I
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Speaker 3: definitely wanted to experience for myself.
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Speaker 1: And what were some of your first adventures, your first travels?
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Speaker 3: Oh, you know, I was lucky enough to go on
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Speaker 3: holidays with my family every summer to France and Spain
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Speaker 3: and places in the UK and things, which, yeah, I
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Speaker 3: was very lucky to do that every year. And then
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Speaker 3: when I started going traveling myself, going into Europe and things,
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Speaker 3: going to different cities in Europe, So not really so
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Speaker 3: much the camping side of stuff that Harry and I do. Now,
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Speaker 3: that's definitely something that I have experienced since meeting Harry,
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Speaker 3: and he kind of introduced that more into my life.
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Speaker 3: So it was probably more cities actually, which is crazy
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Speaker 3: because it's so different to what I do now and
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Speaker 3: what I enjoy now, but.
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Speaker 1: They both are so great. Yeah, Like cities are filled
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Speaker 1: with energy and possibility and unique personalities and rich.
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Speaker 3: Cultures exactly in history.
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Speaker 1: When do you feel like in that transition from traveling
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Speaker 1: with your family to traveling more solo, When do you
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Speaker 1: feel like you transition towards from being more of a
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Speaker 1: tourist to be more of a traveler. Was there a
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Speaker 1: point that you kind of remember that you weren't so
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Speaker 1: tight on the itinerary and you started to be more
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Speaker 1: just in the moment of the trip.
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Speaker 3: I think that's probably come since we have traveled together,
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Speaker 3: more so just being quite you know, I guess, free
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Speaker 3: spirited in a way, and being quite okay with not
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Speaker 3: having so much of a plan and just going for
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Speaker 3: it and seeing what the day or the month or
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Speaker 3: whatever where it takes us. And I think that's come
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Speaker 3: more from the way that we traveled together, Like we
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Speaker 3: were discussing earlier, when you are in a shorter trip,
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Speaker 3: you do want to squeeze with these things in so
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Speaker 3: you have an itinerary. But the way that we've been
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Speaker 3: fortunate enough to travel for a long period of time,
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Speaker 3: you can just go, oh, let's go here, or you
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Speaker 3: meet someone and they take you this way. You know,
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Speaker 3: it's way more flexible and free flowing.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think when we were talking about that earlier,
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Speaker 1: I think the longer the trip is, I think the
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Speaker 1: more that that type of planning is actually doesn't really
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Speaker 1: serve you, because then you get attached to ideas of
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Speaker 1: how something is supposed to go, and then something happens
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Speaker 1: logistically that makes that either impossible or impractical. So I
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Speaker 1: think the longer the trip, the more that you're better
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Speaker 1: off planning like the next couple moments and then being
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Speaker 1: open to the idea that that next moment that comes
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Speaker 1: up may be so incredible that you choose to you
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Speaker 1: choose to stay. In fact, I remember a good friend
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Speaker 1: of mine, Patrice, out of France. He had been riding
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Speaker 1: around the world with his wife on in the bicycle
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Speaker 1: and they were doing that planning just one day at
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Speaker 1: a time, and they got to Brisbane in Australia and
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Speaker 1: they just decided that that was it, like there was
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Speaker 1: no more planning, because that's where they wanted to i
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Speaker 1: wanted to have their family. So I think that being
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Speaker 1: not being too attached to that is important, and I
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Speaker 1: know that for me in some of my travels where
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Speaker 1: I had to be there was so many logistics, there
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Speaker 1: were so many vehicles, there were so much at play
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Speaker 1: that I don't remember those trips as well because it
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Speaker 1: was such a blur of tasks and requirements that had
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Speaker 1: to be done. I also learned a lot too, So
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Speaker 1: I'm not suggesting that there wasn't benefits, because there was.
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Speaker 1: But I have found on this trip that, like I
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Speaker 1: was telling you earlier, I didn't even start my first
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Speaker 1: visa for this next leg until I got to South
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Speaker 1: Africa because I just didn't know what was gonna yeah,
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Speaker 1: like were there going to be delays? Was something's going
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Speaker 1: to happen?
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Speaker 4: You know?
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Speaker 1: So I just didn't even worry about it until I
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Speaker 1: had to worry about it.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, predictable.
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Speaker 1: And have you found that, Harry, for yourself, that you've
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Speaker 1: adjusted well to a bit of serendipity.
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Speaker 4: For sure. Yeah. I have always light structure the past,
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Speaker 4: I think, but actually learning to be more in the
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Speaker 4: moment has been really good for me because I'm always
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Speaker 4: looking at the next, the next thing, So it has
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Speaker 4: been a difficult adjustment to do that.
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Speaker 1: But and do you think that that's part of like
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Speaker 1: your entrepreneurial spirit, because you own your own business before
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Speaker 1: you started the journey, and you were talking earlier about
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Speaker 1: how challenging it was for you to let go of
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Speaker 1: what had become part of your identity, your own your
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Speaker 1: own business. Talk a little bit about how you gave
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Speaker 1: yourself permission to go do something incredibly irresponsible a ship
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Speaker 1: a vehicle to South Africa and head off without a plan.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, I guess, I don't know. We just we ended
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Speaker 4: up just deciding one day, right, let's do it, and
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Speaker 4: it kind of just became We talked about it for
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Speaker 4: a long time, and then when we were just decided
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Speaker 4: to do it, it became like, right, well that's what
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Speaker 4: we're doing. So everything else started tearing or teeling down,
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Speaker 4: and yeah, starting I basically I booked myself out for
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Speaker 4: a year, so if my customers were getting in touch,
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Speaker 4: they would I'd say, well, I'm booked out for a year,
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Speaker 4: so it'll be next year. And when it seemed impossible
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Speaker 4: to walk away from my business, I the more we
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Speaker 4: talked about it, the more it was like, this is
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Speaker 4: actually a good time to do it.
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Speaker 1: It takes a lot of courage though, Yeah, especially said,
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Speaker 1: you had been doing it for seven years.
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Speaker 4: And from nothing as well. So I felt like I
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Speaker 4: had built up a career for myself and a future
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Speaker 4: and I was working on that and kind of just
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Speaker 4: as stopped. But honestly, I don't think. I don't think
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Speaker 4: I'll go back to it when I get back. I
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Speaker 4: think I have so much energy for new ideas and
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Speaker 4: new projects.
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Speaker 1: That's one of the biggest gifts that the trip. Anything
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Speaker 1: is possible. Yeah, you guys just drove around Africa, so
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Speaker 1: anything is possible. Yea. So tell me how you guys met.
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Speaker 3: We actually met at a music festival.
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Speaker 1: That's fun. Yeah, so you have shared music interests. That's
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Speaker 1: always a good place to start.
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Speaker 4: Yeah.
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Speaker 3: So it was on the Isle of Wight, which is
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Speaker 3: just off of the South Coast, Okay, and obviously Harry
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Speaker 3: growing up north of London, me growing up South coast
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Speaker 3: with a few hours from each other, and you just
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Speaker 3: came and said hi.
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Speaker 1: And.
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Speaker 3: The rest is history.
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Speaker 1: That takes I mean, there's like a the great things
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Speaker 1: in life come from taking a little bit of a risk.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, it was a risk.
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Speaker 1: That was what eight year that's incredible. Yeah, that's incredible.
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Speaker 1: And then so how long have you been planning this trip.
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Speaker 3: Actually not very long at all. It took it took
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Speaker 3: a bit of time for you to decide, yes, I'm
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Speaker 3: going to put my business and hold off stop this
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Speaker 3: particular business for us to go and do this trip.
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Speaker 3: And so we were shipping with our friends the MH
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Speaker 3: and they had a date at which they wanted to
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Speaker 3: ship their car and they were like, put your car
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Speaker 3: in a container with us, and let's do it. So
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Speaker 3: we kind of only had maybe six months where we
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Speaker 3: were doing our planning, but in that process we were
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Speaker 3: doing it for rebuilt basically Defender.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, and what what year is the car?
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Speaker 4: Two thousand?
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Speaker 1: Okay? And it's a three door, looks like. And did
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Speaker 1: it have a hard top when you shipped it or
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Speaker 1: did you decide to ship it without that because of
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Speaker 1: the conversion.
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Speaker 4: Yes, it had a hard top. Yeah, when we bought
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Speaker 4: the vehicle, it was as it would have come out
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Speaker 4: the factory. So we've done quite a lot to it,
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Speaker 4: including a chassis swap and the new engine. The Yeah,
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Speaker 4: at the time, I think I bought it six years ago,
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Speaker 4: and at the time I didn't have enough money to
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Speaker 4: buy a land drover really, so I ended up buying
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Speaker 4: probably the worst one on the market, but we got
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Speaker 4: up to it was in Ripon in North Yorkshire in England,
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Speaker 4: and I drove the car and it felt nice. The
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Speaker 4: engine felt good, the gearbox felt good, but I knew
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Speaker 4: the chassis was rotten. I thought, well, it drives well,
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Speaker 4: so I'll buy it. Oh, no, I need to replace
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Speaker 4: the chassis. And on the way home the engine blew up.
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Speaker 4: Within the first couple of months of owning a land drover,
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Speaker 4: we did a chassis swap, an engine swap and everything else,
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Speaker 4: but it then became like the base vehicle for a
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Speaker 4: perfect over landing rig. Not that we knew we were
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Speaker 4: going to do that at the time. I mean I
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Speaker 4: had interested in buying a roof tent and things like
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Speaker 4: that and going camping, but we never never thought we
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Speaker 4: were buying it for.
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Speaker 3: This, No, not at all.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a big step. And then did you guys
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Speaker 1: find that there was any thing or any maybe other
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Speaker 1: travelers that inspired you to want to go explore Africa
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Speaker 1: or was it was it something that was always in
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Speaker 1: the back of your mind.
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Speaker 3: Well, I don't know really. I think Africa is always
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Speaker 3: somewhere that I think's interested and intrigued both of us,
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Speaker 3: but I don't think we ever thought we'd be traveling
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Speaker 3: to this many African countries over this period of time.
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Speaker 3: In a way, we're doing it. But I think once
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Speaker 3: you got the car and we started doing camping, the
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Speaker 3: land Over community is a very big community of you know,
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Speaker 3: very enthusiastic, passionate people, and as soon as we kind
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Speaker 3: of got the car and started doing camping, we were
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Speaker 3: just immersed in this land drover community, which was amazing,
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Speaker 3: and we met a lot of people who have inspired us,
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Speaker 3: who have traveled a lot and Andy in their mah
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Speaker 3: pat you know, your friend stands got a defender, Johnny,
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Speaker 3: like lots of people that we know who are good
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Speaker 3: friends of ours who travel and have these kind of vehicles.
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Speaker 3: So that was definitely an inspiration. And then that then
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Speaker 3: snowboard into maybe we should start a little Instagram And
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Speaker 3: then once you're on Instagram, you see what everyone else
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Speaker 3: is doing.
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Speaker 4: And then you're like, exactly, simo sure for Africa, though
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Speaker 4: I don't know whether the seed was planted for me.
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Speaker 4: Back in twenty fifteen, when I was in South Africa
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Speaker 4: and La Suitu, I was riding bikes around South Africa,
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Speaker 4: and La Su Tou.
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Speaker 1: Yeah.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, just that like raw adventure you experience up there.
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Speaker 4: I don't know if that maybe was a Yeah, it
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Speaker 4: was incredible.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's just such it feels like you're going to
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Speaker 1: another world. Yeah, the Kingdom in the Kingdom.
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Speaker 3: Yeah.
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Speaker 1: So that leads a question to some of your guys'
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Speaker 1: earlier trips together. You didn't use a vehicle, used motorcycles
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Speaker 1: and you have a or you have a real love
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Speaker 1: for riding motorcyclest. So tell me a little bit about
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Speaker 1: your travels in Asia. Did you rent bikes? Did you
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Speaker 1: buy bikes and then sell them? How did you guys
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Speaker 1: do some of your early trips.
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Speaker 4: We went out there with backpacks really, and we were
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Speaker 4: backpacking around and there were a few routes that the
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Speaker 4: Grand or top Gear had done that we really wanted
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Speaker 4: to do fun Vietnam in Vietnam, and then there was
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Speaker 4: also a route from Chang Mai to Pi in northern Thailand. Yep,
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Speaker 4: that we rented bikes or a bike. Was it scooters
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Speaker 4: or no? It was like a two fifty okay, yeah,
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Speaker 4: kind of off rod tires sure, but still quite a
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Speaker 4: small bike.
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Speaker 1: And you rode two up on that.
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Speaker 4: Yeah.
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Speaker 3: Put a little bag on the back and went on,
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Speaker 3: that's all you need.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, and that was that was really really good fun.
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Speaker 1: And what what did you because now you've done this
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Speaker 1: about as light and minimal as you can get. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: two fifty motorcycle, two up with a little bag on
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Speaker 1: the bag, and now you pretty much have your home
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Speaker 1: with you in a large vehicle. What were some of
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Speaker 1: the things that you learned on the bike that helped
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Speaker 1: you on decisions with the truck.
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Speaker 3: I think it was so different.
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Speaker 4: Never really put two together.
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Speaker 3: No, actually not compared the two as what we would pack,
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Speaker 3: what we've planned for one or the other.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, certainly when you're on a bike, you are way
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Speaker 4: more immersed in that culture and in the surroundings.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, you're totally dependent.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, you've got your helmet and then you're just you're open.
20:17
Speaker 4: When you're in your car, you almost have like a
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Speaker 4: bit of a I don't know if you want to
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Speaker 4: call it a safety barrier, but I guess it is.
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Speaker 3: It is a bit of a barrier that blocks you
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Speaker 3: off from like other people or the elements or whatever.
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Speaker 3: So there is that is a big difference, isn't there.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, whereas so many people are no matter where you
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Speaker 1: go in the world, a motorcycle seems very accessible and
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Speaker 1: it seems like their neighbor has one, or they have
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Speaker 1: one or whatever in it. Yeah, and it's I think
20:47
Speaker 1: it's it's such a shared like even when we were
20:49
Speaker 1: having lunch today, the guy who's telling us about his
20:52
Speaker 1: motorcycle journeys. So there is something about motorcycles that is
20:58
Speaker 1: it really flattens the experience where you're just another motorcycle
21:03
Speaker 1: on the road. I mean, sometimes if you're on a
21:05
Speaker 1: GS or something, it is it stands out. But for
21:08
Speaker 1: the most part, if you're on local bikes like you
21:10
Speaker 1: guys were, you really are like if it's cold, you're cold,
21:14
Speaker 1: if it's hot, you're hot. Yeah, and then you're just
21:17
Speaker 1: in the flow everybody else Whereas once you're in a
21:22
Speaker 1: vehicle like a land Rover, which you guys, your landover
21:26
Speaker 1: is big and lifted, aggressive tires and a camper on
21:29
Speaker 1: the back, so it has a lot of presence on
21:32
Speaker 1: the road, so you definitely are in a different position.
21:35
Speaker 3: Yeah, for sure. I do think any vehicle that you
21:38
Speaker 3: travel in when you're brining it or driving it yourself,
21:43
Speaker 3: it is just so freeing to just travel on the
21:46
Speaker 3: open road, and you experience so much more than you
21:49
Speaker 3: would if you were flying in and out of destinations
21:52
Speaker 3: and stuff overlanding however that looks for you. It's just
21:57
Speaker 3: such an experience and so free.
21:59
Speaker 1: And I think what I find is just all of
22:02
Speaker 1: the benefit of experiencing everything from this border crossing to
22:06
Speaker 1: the next one. Yeah, you don't, you don't go to
22:10
Speaker 1: You certainly do go to tourist destinations, but you get
22:12
Speaker 1: to see everything between thee and that's probably where some
22:17
Speaker 1: of my best memories of coming is like, you're totally
22:22
Speaker 1: off the beat path. Yeah, absolutely so, Chloe. Now, you
22:29
Speaker 1: had a career that allowed you to work from the road,
22:34
Speaker 1: So was that part of what gave you guys some
22:36
Speaker 1: confidence to leave is that you still felt like you
22:39
Speaker 1: could generate a little bit of revenue I think for
22:42
Speaker 1: your guys's travels.
22:44
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think so. We did work hard before leaving
22:48
Speaker 3: to try and save up as much money as we
22:51
Speaker 3: could for the trip, but being able to work remotely
22:56
Speaker 3: has been amazing for financially. It helps huge amount. But
23:01
Speaker 3: also I like working, you know, having like a bit
23:06
Speaker 3: of normality as well as the traveling side of what
23:10
Speaker 3: we do. I've actually enjoyed it, and I think needed
23:15
Speaker 3: it because you've kind of missed that in a way,
23:20
Speaker 3: haven't you. We were saying this at lunch as well.
23:22
Speaker 3: Is when you're working every day and you just want
23:26
Speaker 3: to be traveling, or want to be on holiday, or
23:28
Speaker 3: want to just have some time off, but then when
23:30
Speaker 3: you actually get only time off, you miss the normal
23:34
Speaker 3: structure and getting your head into something and having a purpose.
23:38
Speaker 3: And we were saying this, it's just the balance, and
23:41
Speaker 3: I'm grateful that I've had that balance because I think
23:44
Speaker 3: I needed that.
23:45
Speaker 1: Let the audience know what work you do, what kind
23:48
Speaker 1: of work you do, and how your clients and your
23:51
Speaker 1: opportunities have changed as a result of your trip.
23:54
Speaker 3: Yeah, so the work that I do from back home
23:58
Speaker 3: is kind of it's set to the opportunities that we've
24:02
Speaker 3: now had traveling. So just managing social media platforms and
24:06
Speaker 3: doing website work, marketing plans basically for different companies back
24:11
Speaker 3: at home, and from the experience I've had with that
24:15
Speaker 3: and since we started our Instagram and things, it's definitely
24:19
Speaker 3: enabled me to know what to do to kind of
24:22
Speaker 3: build our platform a bit more. And with that, we've
24:25
Speaker 3: kind of when we've got the car we've got a
24:27
Speaker 3: camera as well, and we're not professional photographers, but we
24:31
Speaker 3: just thought let's capture some of what we're doing. And
24:34
Speaker 3: it's kind of evolved into creating content first companies and
24:39
Speaker 3: also filming our adventures and putting weekly YouTube videos up,
24:43
Speaker 3: which it's.
24:44
Speaker 1: A lot of work. It is a lot of yea,
24:47
Speaker 1: and who does the editing me and who does the
24:50
Speaker 1: shooting either to just grabs the camera yea.
24:56
Speaker 4: Interestingly enough, though, the content create for other brands has
25:01
Speaker 4: also sort of integrated into your business as well. Yeah,
25:07
Speaker 4: because now now you approach companies and say, well, I
25:11
Speaker 4: can run your marketing efforts, but also create content to
25:15
Speaker 4: do that as well.
25:16
Speaker 3: Yeah.
25:16
Speaker 4: Interestingly enough, we just picked up a new contract in
25:20
Speaker 4: ib a couple of weeks ago, so the two have
25:23
Speaker 4: sort of rolled into.
25:24
Speaker 3: One and traveling and meeting people your networking basically, which
25:30
Speaker 3: is awesome and it's Yeah, it's definitely opened up a
25:33
Speaker 3: lot more opportunity for us. And so when this trip
25:37
Speaker 3: comes to an end, whenever that may be, we've got
25:41
Speaker 3: exciting things planned that.
25:43
Speaker 1: You know.
25:43
Speaker 3: The work that we've done on this trip has opened up.
25:48
Speaker 1: And then recently you started to bring your storrelink along. Yeah,
25:52
Speaker 1: and is that made work easier or you just work more?
25:56
Speaker 3: Now it's definitely made it easier. I think before we
25:59
Speaker 3: had this starlink, we were planning where we were camping
26:02
Speaker 3: based on what I ever Lander said about their Wi
26:05
Speaker 3: Fi speed, and also spending quite a lot of money
26:09
Speaker 3: on data. Some countries their data plans it actually expensive
26:13
Speaker 3: more than Europe would be, and so we were rinsing
26:16
Speaker 3: through our data try and upload videos and do work
26:19
Speaker 3: and stuff. So the starlink is meant that we haven't
26:22
Speaker 3: had to rely on that and not buying some cards
26:26
Speaker 3: and just have peace of mind of knowing that you
26:28
Speaker 3: can just smash out a bit of work wherever you
26:30
Speaker 3: are and it just happens so cold.
26:32
Speaker 4: Yeah. Also, the uploading could take so long that we
26:36
Speaker 4: would often find we're set at a campsite waiting for
26:38
Speaker 4: a video to upload. Yeah, and now with the starlink,
26:42
Speaker 4: we actually use it. I don't know if you do,
26:43
Speaker 4: but we use it when we're moving. It works fine,
26:46
Speaker 4: So we can just leave the laptop uploading while we're
26:49
Speaker 4: doing a five six hour journey and then we haven't
26:53
Speaker 4: wasted any time set around twiddling our thumbs waiting for
26:55
Speaker 4: a video to so for sure it has been pretty
26:59
Speaker 4: pretty good.
27:00
Speaker 1: So your Instagram is the Landy Expedition and then what's
27:04
Speaker 1: your YouTube channel? The same expedition. Awesome, So the guys
27:10
Speaker 1: should be checking out this amazing content. So one of
27:14
Speaker 1: the things that I think is important for because your story,
27:18
Speaker 1: again is so inspirational of you guys had regular jobs
27:23
Speaker 1: and you decided that you didn't want a regular life.
27:26
Speaker 1: You wanted something unusual or something that was more suited
27:30
Speaker 1: to your to your passions. If you were to give
27:34
Speaker 1: some advice to either your younger self or maybe a
27:38
Speaker 1: nephew or a cousin or something like that that was
27:41
Speaker 1: getting ready to do the same journeys as you, looking
27:45
Speaker 1: back on what you've learned over this last year full
27:47
Speaker 1: time on the road, what would you say you'd give
27:50
Speaker 1: some advice to those listening.
27:54
Speaker 4: It's interesting because I think we wouldn't have been able
27:58
Speaker 4: to do what we've done if I hadn't of earned
28:01
Speaker 4: money in my business, like building the vehicle that cost
28:05
Speaker 4: We pretty much paid for just about everything on the vehicle.
28:09
Speaker 4: You building that up I could we couldn't have done
28:15
Speaker 4: it in that vehicle if I hadn't earned the money
28:17
Speaker 4: or we hadn't earned the money to do it. So
28:20
Speaker 4: what I wanted to say, do it when you're a
28:23
Speaker 4: little bit younger. Start younger to anyone that was listening.
28:27
Speaker 4: But you do need to be able to save up
28:30
Speaker 4: enough money to buy a vehicle. It doesn't need to
28:34
Speaker 4: be kitted out the way we've done ours, so you
28:37
Speaker 4: can simply buy things a lot more than what we have.
28:43
Speaker 4: But yeah, if you dream of doing it, then just
28:46
Speaker 4: like put pen to paper and just start making a
28:49
Speaker 4: plan to do it. And whether that means saving up
28:53
Speaker 4: that money to buy that car, then just do it.
28:56
Speaker 4: And then once you've got it, you don't need to
28:59
Speaker 4: spend thousands of pounds getting it out. Just go do
29:01
Speaker 4: little trips around your local area and campsites and stuff
29:06
Speaker 4: and work out what you need rather than what you want. Yeah,
29:09
Speaker 4: that's a big thing. And yeah, if if you love it,
29:15
Speaker 4: then just make a plan to do it. That's what
29:18
Speaker 4: I'd say.
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Speaker 1: Have any any regrets or things you would have done
30:13
Speaker 1: different or you or did it? Did it really? Was
30:18
Speaker 1: it the dream you hoped that it would be.
30:20
Speaker 3: I think it's been more than what I imagined it
30:23
Speaker 3: would this.
30:25
Speaker 4: We didn't know what to expect. No, and it wasn't
30:28
Speaker 4: I have to say, it wasn't like a lifetime dream
30:31
Speaker 4: of ours to come to Africa and to overland in Africa.
30:35
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's not something that we've been planning or thinking
30:38
Speaker 3: about or working towards for a long time.
30:42
Speaker 4: But adventure is something that we always dream about and
30:45
Speaker 4: we do every year. We try and do a different adventure,
30:49
Speaker 4: whether that's small, which they have been up until now.
30:54
Speaker 4: So yeah, coming here without really any expectations and then
30:57
Speaker 4: just being totally immersed in so many different cultures which
31:02
Speaker 4: change every border crossing you go across, the culture has
31:05
Speaker 4: changed so much.
31:06
Speaker 1: It's amazing.
31:07
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's crazy actually across a border and like landscape
31:10
Speaker 4: is different, the people are different.
31:14
Speaker 3: I also think it's you don't have to overthink it
31:19
Speaker 3: too much. I think that's something that I probably did
31:22
Speaker 3: before we came away, is I'm not worried, but wanted
31:26
Speaker 3: to know everything and planning so that I knew a
31:30
Speaker 3: lot about each different country we'd go to, which is
31:33
Speaker 3: important to have an idea. But I think you can
31:36
Speaker 3: overthink it and you can get in your head and
31:38
Speaker 3: you can think this is no, this is not achievable
31:40
Speaker 3: for me. I just definitely can't do this. And honestly,
31:42
Speaker 3: I didn't think that we would be doing this, but
31:46
Speaker 3: we are. And actually, once you get here, once you
31:49
Speaker 3: meet people, once you experience like the craziness that Africa
31:53
Speaker 3: can be. Sometimes it's it's amazing and it's so much easier.
31:59
Speaker 1: Than alive place like this, and I think it's because
32:03
Speaker 1: the people of Africa are so incredible. They like I have.
32:08
Speaker 1: I have learned so much from the people of Africa
32:12
Speaker 1: of you know, just having joy and see how much
32:17
Speaker 1: fun they have and they're not on their damn phones
32:21
Speaker 1: that much, if at all. Some of them don't even
32:25
Speaker 1: have a phone, which you know is a blessing in
32:29
Speaker 1: the modern day. And I'm not to say that they
32:32
Speaker 1: don't they don't deserve to have all the same access
32:35
Speaker 1: to those things that we do. But because they don't
32:38
Speaker 1: have sometimes access to that, you see them chasing each
32:43
Speaker 1: other around, laughing and swimming and and just being kids
32:48
Speaker 1: as opposed to allude to their screens that you see,
32:54
Speaker 1: okay in the US.
32:55
Speaker 4: So you see you see that more so when you're
33:00
Speaker 4: in the more remote areas where they really don't have much.
33:05
Speaker 4: I remember driving through some villages in Zimbabwe when we
33:09
Speaker 4: just got there and just colors of people smiling. It
33:13
Speaker 4: was just like, wow, this is I've never seen anything
33:16
Speaker 4: like this before, and there's nothing arout. They have their
33:20
Speaker 4: houses which are made of mud and they paint, you know,
33:23
Speaker 4: paint on the on the walls, which is really cool
33:25
Speaker 4: to see. But yeah, other than that, they just have.
33:28
Speaker 3: Themselves and people work hard.
33:32
Speaker 1: People have they work hard.
33:34
Speaker 3: Walk really really far to get water. And then the farmland.
33:40
Speaker 3: In the agriculture that we've seen, it's just plowing a
33:43
Speaker 3: whole field by hand, and everyone is working from like
33:47
Speaker 3: the grandparent done to the child. They're all working. There,
33:50
Speaker 3: are all making it happen. And that is really amazing
33:53
Speaker 3: to see how much work people put in and also
33:56
Speaker 3: how happy people can be doing it. You know, not
34:01
Speaker 3: a lot. You have your water, your food, your shelter.
34:07
Speaker 1: You know. Yeah, it doesn't seem like that happiness grows
34:12
Speaker 1: at the same rate of convenience or luxury or comfort.
34:17
Speaker 1: In fact, it seems like the most wealthiest nations oftentimes have. Yeah,
34:26
Speaker 1: so you have powerful lessons. So, Chloe, what would you
34:30
Speaker 1: say is your top one or two adventures or experiences
34:35
Speaker 1: that you had in this last year, Like what was
34:37
Speaker 1: the one place that completely surprised you?
34:41
Speaker 3: You know exactly what I'm going to say.
34:44
Speaker 1: You might have different different answers. I think it's going
34:48
Speaker 1: to be that's okay, so you have to pick another one.
34:54
Speaker 3: We drove up into Demorrowland and Namibia and we were
34:59
Speaker 3: around the Brambo Mountain area, which is very remote and
35:03
Speaker 3: we just started driving one day and I was looking.
35:07
Speaker 3: I knew that there were desert elephants within that area,
35:10
Speaker 3: and so I just searched where can you find the
35:13
Speaker 3: desert elephants in the Maryland, And there's a dried up
35:16
Speaker 3: riverbed called the Ugab River, and so we just kind
35:19
Speaker 3: of started heading towards that way and spent four days
35:24
Speaker 3: totally isolated to drive along this dried up riverbed, seeing nobody, nothing,
35:30
Speaker 3: elephant footprints, elephant down everywhere, and just wild camping. We
35:35
Speaker 3: then passed the Doris Crater, then Burnt Mountain, and that's
35:40
Speaker 3: actually a hot spot for oh what's it called geologists
35:47
Speaker 3: because of the rock formations and stuff. There's so much
35:50
Speaker 3: history and stuff there as well, so ancient almost, isn't it.
35:55
Speaker 3: And it was just so beautiful, so remote, and we
36:02
Speaker 3: were running out of fuel, we were running out of water,
36:05
Speaker 3: we'd run out of food. Basically we were living off
36:07
Speaker 3: of like beans and rice.
36:09
Speaker 4: But it was just.
36:11
Speaker 3: The one of the best experiences of the whole I would.
36:14
Speaker 1: Agree, Well, you can't pick the same one. What's the other?
36:19
Speaker 4: I think the If I couldn't pick that, then it
36:22
Speaker 4: would be when we crossed from Botswana down by Francis
36:26
Speaker 4: Town into Zimbabwe, okay, And it was like a border
36:31
Speaker 4: crossing that's not very popular among travelers, and it took
36:37
Speaker 4: us through some very remote parts of Zimbabwe, like I
36:41
Speaker 4: mentioned earlier, and just crossing that border and seeing the
36:45
Speaker 4: color change that red African and the sun it was
36:49
Speaker 4: quite late in the day, some was setting, just the
36:52
Speaker 4: colors and like how vibrant place was. We ended up
36:57
Speaker 4: wild camping near a village because we were driving into night,
37:00
Speaker 4: which we don't normally do. But just that drive with
37:03
Speaker 4: the sun setting over these painted huts was I just
37:06
Speaker 4: really felt like this is where we should be right now.
37:10
Speaker 4: It was actually it was quite an emotional evening. Yeah,
37:15
Speaker 4: because these these moments they do take your breath away
37:19
Speaker 4: and yeah, really put you on the spot where you are.
37:23
Speaker 4: It's hard, it's hard to do that.
37:26
Speaker 1: Oh the number of times that I've been just had
37:28
Speaker 1: tears running down my face because the place that I
37:30
Speaker 1: was seeing just like you think, like, how is this?
37:33
Speaker 1: How am I this fortunate to be able to experience
37:36
Speaker 1: that moment in some place so beautiful, you know, such
37:42
Speaker 1: a rarity mm hmm. And it's important to allow ourselves
37:45
Speaker 1: to be in those places and like recognize how fortunate
37:51
Speaker 1: we are too, and just to really remember those those
37:55
Speaker 1: moments for sure. So how do you guys find you
38:00
Speaker 1: help support each other as a couple while you're traveling,
38:04
Speaker 1: because a lot of couples do aspire to travel together.
38:07
Speaker 1: What are some things that you've learned about how to
38:12
Speaker 1: keep your relationship strong and healthy? Because of course it's
38:15
Speaker 1: the most important thing at the end of all of
38:17
Speaker 1: this is that you guys are closer and more capable
38:23
Speaker 1: together than when you left. What are some of the
38:25
Speaker 1: things you've learned around that.
38:26
Speaker 4: It's definitely a test, isn't it, Because it's not normal
38:29
Speaker 4: to spend a year in a land driver with your
38:32
Speaker 4: partner and not see that many other people, especially as
38:36
Speaker 4: we've come further north in Africa, there's not so many travelers.
38:41
Speaker 1: Up here, so we're prised by that too.
38:44
Speaker 4: Yeah, there's not so many people up here, so we
38:46
Speaker 4: don't have that social interaction.
38:48
Speaker 3: So yeah, to Botswana, we were going to campsites and
38:52
Speaker 3: there are other people here like traveling like us, so
38:55
Speaker 3: you socialize. I think you definitely have to be patient
39:01
Speaker 3: at times, and because when you're spending so much time together,
39:06
Speaker 3: you get the good moods and the bad moods and
39:09
Speaker 3: everyone has a bad mood. Everyone has a good mood.
39:12
Speaker 3: And don't get me wrong, those times where we annoy
39:15
Speaker 3: each other and that's totally normal.
39:19
Speaker 1: Oh, it is normal. And how do you where do
39:21
Speaker 1: you find works when you're stuck in the land rover
39:24
Speaker 1: and one of you is starting to feel annoyed?
39:27
Speaker 3: Is there?
39:27
Speaker 1: Like you guys have like a plan of like we're
39:29
Speaker 1: going to put on your music, or you're going to
39:32
Speaker 1: put in headphones, or you're going to crawl out of
39:34
Speaker 1: the back way to walk.
39:39
Speaker 4: Yeah. I mean we're pretty good if there's been whatever,
39:45
Speaker 4: a little hated yeah moment or whatever, we're pretty good
39:50
Speaker 4: at both just having some quiet time and then going
39:53
Speaker 4: back to each other. Yeah, we need twenty minutes or
39:56
Speaker 4: an hour. Yeah, we nip stuff in the bad. Yeah,
40:00
Speaker 4: just have to be what's the word I'm looking for,
40:04
Speaker 4: just understanding and I guess yeah, that we're both in
40:09
Speaker 4: this situation, yeah each other. Yeah, and literally we are
40:15
Speaker 4: with the two pieces that make this thing work. So
40:18
Speaker 4: we're going to be at each other. It's not going
40:20
Speaker 4: to work. Yeah, take quiet time twenty minutes.
40:24
Speaker 3: I think it's also important to know that in a relationship,
40:28
Speaker 3: you're not going to get everything you need from one
40:32
Speaker 3: human being. That's why you have like different relationships friends.
40:35
Speaker 1: And family and stuff and so and the work we
40:37
Speaker 1: do on ourselves.
40:38
Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly, having time alone is also really important and
40:43
Speaker 3: there's nothing wrong with that at all.
40:45
Speaker 1: So you know, we.
40:48
Speaker 3: Try to you know, meet other people, be social in
40:52
Speaker 3: that way because it's important to have connection with other
40:55
Speaker 3: people as well as just with each other. And that's yeah,
40:59
Speaker 3: that's something that we try and do.
41:00
Speaker 4: I think when you're when you're over landing the way
41:04
Speaker 4: we have been, we don't we don't really stay in
41:06
Speaker 4: accommodation at all unless we're in a city, so like Nairobi,
41:11
Speaker 4: we stayed in hotels for ten days. But you do
41:14
Speaker 4: need to take time to do things for yourself as well, Yeah,
41:19
Speaker 4: whether that's doing a bit of exercise or or reading
41:23
Speaker 4: a book or something, because you can very easily slip
41:26
Speaker 4: into a way of just you know, driving setting up camp, yeah,
41:32
Speaker 4: and not really doing anything for yourself.
41:36
Speaker 1: Yeah.
41:36
Speaker 3: Sure, you had that. When we were in Zimbabwe, we
41:39
Speaker 3: had that where we were getting up in the morning,
41:43
Speaker 3: driving all day, setting up camp. This was the same
41:45
Speaker 3: thing going on for weeks and we were so close
41:47
Speaker 3: to the mozobat border and we thought, let's just go
41:51
Speaker 3: to the beach, so we did went to the beach
41:53
Speaker 3: and then decided that we were going to we're in
41:56
Speaker 3: villain Coulos and then we decided we were going to
41:57
Speaker 3: go down to Tofu and we thought, let's to dive,
42:00
Speaker 3: so we did our Paddy of course, and we met
42:03
Speaker 3: friends there because we stayed in Sport. Yeah, so nice.
42:08
Speaker 3: I wish we had we left the day of these
42:11
Speaker 3: it was running out. We would have stayed longer.
42:12
Speaker 1: But it's almost free, yeah to be there. Yeah, Like
42:15
Speaker 1: the food is so inexpressed.
42:17
Speaker 4: Yea.
42:17
Speaker 1: Yeah, people are wonderful.
42:21
Speaker 3: Yeah, we made friends that are friends for life. We're
42:25
Speaker 3: already planning like trips with them and stuff. And it
42:28
Speaker 3: was we absolutely needed it at that time and it
42:31
Speaker 3: was so good for us and we recognized that and
42:33
Speaker 3: we did it and then we were like refreshed. And
42:36
Speaker 3: actually a friend we met there jumped in the car
42:39
Speaker 3: with us and we did three weeks with her and
42:41
Speaker 3: she stepped in the back of the car and we
42:43
Speaker 3: traveled around together. It was just the best.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's perfect. And making sure that you're at least
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Speaker 1: giving yourself unless you have to be your way behind,
42:52
Speaker 1: but taking a day off from all of it, from
42:57
Speaker 1: the travel, from the blogging, from the blogging, from their instagram,
43:03
Speaker 1: taking a day off and going for a hiker, going
43:07
Speaker 1: into important going scuba diving or circling, surfing or whatever
43:12
Speaker 1: that is, to kind of give yourself that little bit
43:15
Speaker 1: of a reset. So one of the things I wanted
43:19
Speaker 1: to ask you about was your Alu Cab version on
43:23
Speaker 1: the Defender. I'm seeing them have They're more and more popular,
43:28
Speaker 1: and I'm actually interested in in that. For the one
43:33
Speaker 1: ten that I've got, which is very similar to yours,
43:36
Speaker 1: how have you found it? Like, what are some things
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Speaker 1: that you like about it? What are some things that
43:40
Speaker 1: maybe you don't like as much?
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Speaker 4: M Sure, it's funny. We did review on our YouTube
43:45
Speaker 4: last week.
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Speaker 1: That's good. People can check that out there. We'll give
43:48
Speaker 1: us the give us the note the cliff Notes version.
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Speaker 4: Then it's been the best single modification reaped on to
43:58
Speaker 4: the car just for this long term travel. It makes
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Speaker 4: everything so much easier, being able to stand up in
44:05
Speaker 4: the back of your.
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Speaker 1: Vehicle away from the mosquitoes.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, Like last night we were being absolutely hounded by
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Speaker 4: killer mosquitoes and we said, right, let's just get in
44:17
Speaker 4: the car, put something on the iPad and monopoly deal
44:22
Speaker 4: so we played some cards.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's fine.
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Speaker 4: But the ease of use, yeah, it's just it's brilliant.
44:30
Speaker 1: So it pops up and it's you know, angled from
44:33
Speaker 1: the front and pops up in the back and then
44:36
Speaker 1: so you guys can stand up in the vehicle.
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Speaker 3: Yeah.
44:39
Speaker 1: And then is there a conversion process to get the
44:41
Speaker 1: bed down or does the bed just fall down?
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Speaker 4: As the roof pops up, the bed goes up with it.
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Speaker 4: And then you pull that bed piece down, got it.
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Speaker 4: You climb up onto the bed and then you pull it.
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Speaker 4: It's like a tank hatch, pull that piece down, and
44:56
Speaker 4: then the bed is the whole length of the vehicle.
44:59
Speaker 4: It's real really big space as well.
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Speaker 1: Nice. Yeah, and has it proven to be pretty reliable? Yeah,
45:06
Speaker 1: you have a lot. You have quite a bit of weight,
45:08
Speaker 1: even on top of the camper. How are you finding
45:12
Speaker 1: that the vehicle's handling all that weight up there?
45:16
Speaker 4: It definitely does change the dynamics. Something I said in
45:19
Speaker 4: our video as well, But we put slightly wider tires
45:23
Speaker 4: on I had I had done anyway, But I do
45:27
Speaker 4: feel that that does firm up the ride. We also
45:32
Speaker 4: have heavy duty springs to help with the weight, so
45:35
Speaker 4: it it does still drive pretty well. And even on
45:39
Speaker 4: the on the tarmac going around corners and things. It's
45:41
Speaker 4: not like yeah, yeah driving a boat. It's pretty well planted. Yeah.
45:46
Speaker 3: Also we did because we work putting the reof racking
45:49
Speaker 3: stuff on top of the gas stouts for theraded so
45:54
Speaker 3: that they could take the weight.
45:56
Speaker 4: Extravalucab actually don't recommend you put saying anything more than
46:01
Speaker 4: a roof rack on the the conversion itself, but we've
46:07
Speaker 4: had no problems with it.
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Speaker 3: It's been fine.
46:09
Speaker 4: You could be worried about the the sill cracking maybe
46:12
Speaker 4: from the way, we haven't had that.
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Speaker 3: We don't have a huge amount on there. We've got
46:16
Speaker 3: a solar panel to front run, a wolf boxes, a
46:19
Speaker 3: little bride thing table.
46:23
Speaker 4: There's quite a lot, I guess there is.
46:28
Speaker 1: It is amazing how it adds up.
46:29
Speaker 4: Yeah, it does. Yeah, we try and trim it all
46:32
Speaker 4: the time. But yeah, do you need these things when
46:36
Speaker 4: you're traveling the way.
46:37
Speaker 1: We are, You do when you guys are living this
46:39
Speaker 1: is your home.
46:39
Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly.
46:41
Speaker 1: Well, Harry and Chloyee, thank you so much for taking
46:45
Speaker 1: the time with me to it's been such a pleasure
46:47
Speaker 1: to beat both of you. So well, we'll get a
46:49
Speaker 1: chance lunch and we were scheming a little bit about
46:53
Speaker 1: how our travels could integrate and it may not work out,
46:57
Speaker 1: but it's always such a joy to connect with other
47:00
Speaker 1: travelers on the road. Here are the stories, maybe open
47:05
Speaker 1: our minds to other possibilities for routes or things to
47:08
Speaker 1: go see. Yeah, and this is this is very much
47:11
Speaker 1: the same. So again it's it's the Landy Expedition on
47:17
Speaker 1: Instagram and it's the Landy Expedition on YouTube. What's next
47:22
Speaker 1: for you guys? What's the next part of your adventure?
47:26
Speaker 3: So next we're heading up to Uganda, Rwanda, and then
47:31
Speaker 3: we kind of have some big decisions to make as
47:33
Speaker 3: to where we go from here. What the end of
47:35
Speaker 3: the trip is looking like for us. So yeah, stay tuned.
47:39
Speaker 1: Yeah, more updates. Well maybe we can get you back
47:42
Speaker 1: on the podcast when everything's all done. Yeah, and get
47:44
Speaker 1: the get the final thoughts on all of that, you guys,
47:48
Speaker 1: You guys have got a fun trip planned Australia and
47:51
Speaker 1: some other things. So how exciting you is going to
47:53
Speaker 1: keep the adventures going, that's sure, Although.
47:57
Speaker 4: This one's feels like it's almost coming to and we
48:00
Speaker 4: have to think about the next definitely for.
48:05
Speaker 1: Us, no way at all. Well, I appreciate you both
48:09
Speaker 1: so much for being on the podcast, and I thank
48:12
Speaker 1: you all for listening, and we'll talk to you next time.
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