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Decomposing baby boy found hanging dead in baby swing as child actor claims Hollywood pedophile ring · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Authorities have charged a couple with murder in the death
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Speaker 1: of their four month old son. He was found to
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Speaker 1: have maggots on his body, which led investigators to determine
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Speaker 1: he hadn't been changed, based or removed from his baby
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Speaker 1: swing in over a week. They found him in a swing,
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Speaker 1: found him dead. I don't know how anybody could do that.
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Speaker 1: Court documents show Sterling died Wrayne less than seven pounds,
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Speaker 1: that's below the fifth percent out for his age. The
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Speaker 1: pair said they checked on the baby at nine am
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Speaker 1: and said he was fine. Two hours later, Kate said
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Speaker 1: he found the baby dead. Law enforcements said that's not
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Speaker 1: how the child end up dying. It's just sad. Four
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Speaker 1: months old and he's gone. A four month old baby
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Speaker 1: boy has been found dead. His parents insist they checked
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Speaker 1: on him and fed him just a few hours earlier.
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Speaker 1: But when he was found, he was found dead in
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Speaker 1: a baby swing and his body was decaying. Now, you
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Speaker 1: know a lot of people don't believe in the death penalty,
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Speaker 1: But when I read about this four month old baby
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Speaker 1: boy whose body was actually decaying out in a swing,
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Speaker 1: and the pay say, oh, we just fed him, that
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Speaker 1: is scientifically impossible. I'm Nancy Grace. This is crime stories.
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Speaker 1: important than our discomfort in hearing stories, certain stories, is
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Speaker 1: the realization that they're not just stories. There are real
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Speaker 1: cases that cry out for justice. Straight out to Shelby
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Speaker 1: lynn Orman, investigative reporter, what happened, Shelby, Nancy, This case
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Speaker 1: is enough to make even the bravest of people cringe.
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Speaker 1: What we know right now is we've got a couple.
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Speaker 1: Zachary Paul Cone, twenty eight years old, Cheyenne Renee Harris,
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Speaker 1: twenty years old. Cone called and told the dispatcher that
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Speaker 1: um Harris, the mother, had just checked on on her baby.
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Speaker 1: There four month old baby boy named Sterling um and
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Speaker 1: that half hour after they fed him, they went back
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Speaker 1: to check on him and he was dead. Well, that,
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Speaker 1: of course, is far from what had happened. Um. The
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Speaker 1: state Medical Examiner has ruled the death a homicide, quoting Now,
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Speaker 1: the examiner called it a failure to provide critical care.
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Speaker 1: The autopsy suggests that Chickasaw County's sheriff deputies basically saw
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Speaker 1: probably one of the most horrifying scenes a police officer
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Speaker 1: could come across. The baby weight less than seven pounds,
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Speaker 1: had maggots in various stages of development, and his clothing
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Speaker 1: and on his skin um for more than a week.
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Speaker 1: Investigators are saying baby Sterling did not have a diaper
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Speaker 1: change or a bath, had not been taken out of
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Speaker 1: a powered baby swing inside one of the homes bedrooms
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Speaker 1: in more than a week. In more than a week.
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Speaker 1: And that's according to an affidavit and the court document.
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Speaker 1: This is a quote from the court documents. The facts
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Speaker 1: of this case go far beyond neglect and show circumstances
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Speaker 1: manifest an extreme indifference to human life. We know that
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Speaker 1: the Harrison Comb they've been arrested. Um. The actual facts
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Speaker 1: around their arrests are unclear, but they are both jailed
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Speaker 1: UM charged with child endangerment causing death that's a Class
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Speaker 1: B felony, and first degree murder that's a Class A
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Speaker 1: felony punishable by life in prison. The other thing that
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Speaker 1: we know is that happened in Alta Vista. That's a
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Speaker 1: small town, fewer than three hundred people, about a hundred
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Speaker 1: and seventy miles northeast of Des Moines. And we also
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Speaker 1: know that the couple actually has another child. No no
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Speaker 1: information right now on the circumstances surrounding that child, the
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Speaker 1: condition that child was in UM, but yeah, this is
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Speaker 1: a pretty pretty horrifying case. You're right about Alta Vista.
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Speaker 1: It's a very small town, fewer than three hundred people.
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Speaker 1: It's about a hundred and seventy miles north of des Moines.
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Speaker 1: And you're right, according to the compliant affidavit, the couple
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Speaker 1: has another child. Let me go back over the very
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Speaker 1: disturbing details Shelby Lynn Erdmann has just recounted, all of
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Speaker 1: which are true and are coming from police have adavit reports.
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Speaker 1: I want to go to Joseph Scott Morgan, professor of
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Speaker 1: forensics at Jacksonville State University and death investigator Joe Scott,
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Speaker 1: This is how to prove this case. First of all,
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Speaker 1: the parents were lying when they called and said the
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Speaker 1: baby had died after the nine one one call and
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Speaker 1: that they had just fed him just before the nine
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Speaker 1: one one call. That is absolutely incompatible with the forensic evidence. Second,
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Speaker 1: the larva, the maggots as they are called in slang,
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Speaker 1: the varying degrees of their development show how long the
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Speaker 1: body had been there, and that is a very common tactic.
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Speaker 1: A technique used by medical examiners when bodies have been
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Speaker 1: discarded is to actually date the age of the lava
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Speaker 1: the maggots to determine how long the body had been
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Speaker 1: there and how long the body had been decomposing. Why
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Speaker 1: to determine the time, manner and cause of death? Comment?
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Speaker 1: First off, I just want to say something. This child's
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Speaker 1: name was Sterling. Sterling, that was his name, and he's dead.
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Speaker 1: He's dead because he was left in a swing and abandoned.
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Speaker 1: This child was left in this position for an extended
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Speaker 1: period of time. How do we know even the medical
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Speaker 1: examiner consulted with a forensic entomologist Nancy, that's a PhD
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Speaker 1: that goes out and does nothing but study bugs in
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Speaker 1: their development, and the forensic entomologists indicated that there were
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Speaker 1: that these flies, probably common house flies blowflies were actually
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Speaker 1: cycling through and if they are a ship husk, maggots
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Speaker 1: have been developed. There were more eggs that were being
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Speaker 1: laid and this gives us an indication of tom. Right now,
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Speaker 1: we're thinking that this baby had been in this wing
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Speaker 1: for a minimum, a minimum nancy, if you can imagine
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Speaker 1: this a week, a week in dwelling, in the same
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Speaker 1: residence as the child's parents, as the child's parents, and
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Speaker 1: this goes to this idea of neglect. The child was
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Speaker 1: only The child was five pounds at birth. Essentially, this
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Speaker 1: is four months prior to now. When they weighed this child, Nancy,
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Speaker 1: the child was seven pounds. Every parent in the audience
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Speaker 1: understands basic development of an infant, and this child was
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Speaker 1: way way way down on the low end of the scale.
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Speaker 1: This child had never been cared for since birth. The
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Speaker 1: child finally died hanging there in a swing, you know.
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Speaker 1: Joe Scott Sometimes um when I would try cases or
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Speaker 1: investigate cases, being on the street, talking to witnesses, going
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Speaker 1: to homes, going to crime scenes. I remember just sitting
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Speaker 1: in my car still because I was so overwhelmed with
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Speaker 1: how cruel people can be to each other. I remember
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Speaker 1: pulling off the side of the road leaving the courthouse
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Speaker 1: and just pulling the car over in downtown Atlanta and
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Speaker 1: just crying over the way a little two year old
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Speaker 1: girl had died. And sometimes it's easier and more practical
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Speaker 1: not to know the name, not to think about what
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Speaker 1: the child went through, what the victim went through, because
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Speaker 1: it's so hard for me to focus on the facts and,
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Speaker 1: for instance, get a conviction or put the case in
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Speaker 1: front of a jury. If you let yourself really think
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Speaker 1: about what the child went through, how long it sat
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Speaker 1: there screaming, screaming, pooping, hung re crying, s nodding, just
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Speaker 1: as flies colonized on the child? Where were the parents?
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Speaker 1: They were in the home then had the wherewithal to lie?
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Speaker 1: I want to talk about these parents. Joining me is
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Speaker 1: Dr Tiffany Sanders, Shelby Lynn Erdmann, just Scott Morgan, of course,
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Speaker 1: Alan Duke. Dr Tiffany Sanders, what can you tell me
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Speaker 1: about Zachary Paul Cone and Cheyenne Renee Harris. Right, Nancy,
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Speaker 1: it's it's so heartbreaking to hear that this this innocent
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Speaker 1: child who is looking to his parents to protect and
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Speaker 1: care for him, was abandoned um and left in the
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Speaker 1: swing to die, as if there was some sort of
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Speaker 1: science experiment to see what happens to his body and
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Speaker 1: whether he can spend for himself. It's unthinkable, um, But
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Speaker 1: I have to I have to ask the question, at
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Speaker 1: least for the mother, was their mental illness? Was his
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Speaker 1: mother suffering from postpartum psychosis or did she have some
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Speaker 1: sort of trauma in her childhood for related to some abuse,
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Speaker 1: that she was not connected to her child, and that
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Speaker 1: she didn't have your traditional motherly instincts to protect the
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Speaker 1: child um from any and all harm. So I'm questioning
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Speaker 1: I have for you. Do you have any shred of
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Speaker 1: evidence to support anything you just said? Well? Absolutely, I
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Speaker 1: can speak anecdotally. I treat people from all walks of
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Speaker 1: life who has who have the worse mental health issues,
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Speaker 1: and I've seen mothers with postpartum depressions. I've seen this woman.
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Speaker 1: Not about this woman, of course not. But all I
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Speaker 1: can do is suggest as to why someone would do
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Speaker 1: something unthinkable like this. There are mothers who you know,
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Speaker 1: many people unfortunately kill their children a year and she's
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Speaker 1: not the first and she will not be the last.
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Speaker 1: And she did not protect her child. But why would
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Speaker 1: someone who just recently gave birth. Your body is still
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Speaker 1: adjusting to the fact that you had just given birth,
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Speaker 1: that you are putting your child in such harm or risk.
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Speaker 1: And that makes me wonder did she suffer from postpartum psychosis?
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Speaker 1: Was their mental illness? Did she have some form of
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Speaker 1: hallucination schizophrenia that she's disconnected and dissociated from from true
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Speaker 1: life and reality. There has to be something other than
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Speaker 1: just pure evil, and yes, that could be the true
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Speaker 1: reason for why she did those things. Um And she
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Speaker 1: allowed the child's father to engage in this senseless, heartless
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Speaker 1: act with this kid like it was a toy. But
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Speaker 1: there has to be some other explanation for this behavior.
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Speaker 1: I think you have an idea, Joe Scott Morgan regarding
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Speaker 1: an explanation, Yeah, I do. It's called methomphetamine. They were
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Speaker 1: so interested in feeding this habit that they had allowed
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Speaker 1: to develop in their own existence that it drew the
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Speaker 1: attention away from this precious life that's they're so fortunate
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Speaker 1: to have that other people were deprived of all over
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Speaker 1: this world. Um And they essentially took this, They took
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Speaker 1: sterling and treated him worse than a piece of garbage.
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Speaker 1: They just left him laying there, are sitting there in
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Speaker 1: that chair. You know, people people dispense of their garbage.
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Speaker 1: They didn't even do that. They have the decency to
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Speaker 1: do that. They were feeding this drug had I saw one, one,
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Speaker 1: one image that this male had put up on Facebook
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Speaker 1: and he was proclaiming enjoying living the clean life. The
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Speaker 1: hell does that even mean? What else do you see
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Speaker 1: people that are in a neglectful situation that they have
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Speaker 1: no interest but to feed their own their own desires,
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Speaker 1: and completely abandoned this child, leave this child to not
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Speaker 1: just dwindle and and pass away, but to absolutely positively decay.
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Speaker 1: How you know you're in the same structure as your
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Speaker 1: own child while maggots are developing on this child, Nancy,
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Speaker 1: This is the horrible set of circumstances. The smell in
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Speaker 1: the house alone would have just been nauseating. No wonder
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Speaker 1: they closed the door in a separate room of the
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Speaker 1: house from where they were living. I don't know what
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Speaker 1: were they doing. They're sitting around watching TV us eating. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: I want to think about that. SHELBYL And Erdmann, investigative reporter.
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Speaker 1: I know the TIMP line for anyone with information is
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Speaker 1: six four one three nine four three one two one.
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Speaker 1: What do we know about their lifestyle, if anything, shelby Um,
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Speaker 1: Really it's just the bare bones of the case right now. UM.
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Speaker 1: We know that the medical examiner uh said based on
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Speaker 1: the condition of baby sterling Um that he was it
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Speaker 1: had been at least a week since he had been
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Speaker 1: probably even checked on. One of the things that jumps
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Speaker 1: out at me is one of the things I can't
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Speaker 1: understand about this case as a whole is what prompted, um,
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Speaker 1: what prompted Zachary Cone to call police at that point.
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Speaker 1: I don't know. We don't know what was happening in
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Speaker 1: the home that after a week, and it could have
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Speaker 1: even been longer. We don't know for sure what would
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Speaker 1: have even prompted these two people then to try and
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Speaker 1: get help, if that's in fact what they were doing. UM. So,
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Speaker 1: but what we do know about the case is that
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Speaker 1: they are both in jail, UM, that they are going
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Speaker 1: to have a preliminary hearing, and um they're facing some
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Speaker 1: very serious charges. Yeah, murdered one because this child was
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Speaker 1: well below the fifth percentile in size and weight. That
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Speaker 1: means you know, ninety four three one, no, none of
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Speaker 1: children in the world his age, way more than him. Okay,
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Speaker 1: he was below five the fifth percentile. Like if you say, oh,
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Speaker 1: I scored in the ninety nine percentile on my test,
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Speaker 1: that means you made better than the people that took
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Speaker 1: the test. His weight and length was below the fifth percentile,
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Speaker 1: which means not at least nine six percent of the
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Speaker 1: world's children, and at this age, way more than him.
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Speaker 1: He was only fourteen inches long. He was born at
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Speaker 1: five pounds. It was only at seven pounds we think
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Speaker 1: at the time he was found. This is, you know,
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Speaker 1: going on six months later. I don't know what the
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Speaker 1: cause of death is going to be. Is saying neglect,
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Speaker 1: but I guess he's starved. I'm not sure exactly what
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Speaker 1: they're going to say the actual cause of death is.
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Speaker 1: We don't even know where the parents were found. We
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Speaker 1: don't know that they were even at home, had they
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Speaker 1: just left the baby there and left. But we do know,
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Speaker 1: based on the evidence Joe Scott Morgan, that they had
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Speaker 1: the wherewithal to lie to police. They did. They had
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Speaker 1: clarity of mind at least in that moment. A time
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Speaker 1: too to uh fabricate um story. Uh you know, and
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Speaker 1: they're talking about that. Yeah, they had just fed him
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Speaker 1: within the last few hours for out to discovery. It's
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Speaker 1: it's an empirical impossibility, uh, you know, with the development
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Speaker 1: just simply based upon the fact of the development of
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Speaker 1: the larva left behind by the flaggs are left behind
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Speaker 1: by the flies, and and then you have all the
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Speaker 1: other decomposition factors that I can guarantee you the stadium
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Speaker 1: e S office in Iowa, who is very good by
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Speaker 1: the way, Uh, we'll have that all measured out very clearly. Uh.
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Speaker 1: And you know, just I don't know that people truly
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Speaker 1: understand how horrible uh starvation and deprivation is. And you know,
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Speaker 1: essentially there's all kinds of things that go into this.
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Speaker 1: There's a lethargy. Uh, there's weakness, you know, the child.
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Speaker 1: You know, babies have a hard time keeping their head
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Speaker 1: up anyway, you know, and and that sort of thing, uh,
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Speaker 1: not being able to and that's why they had the
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Speaker 1: child in the seat. You know, the kid could probably
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Speaker 1: recline and be in the in the in the seat
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Speaker 1: and laid back this way, and and and and so
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Speaker 1: just lethargy, not being able to breathe, struggling to breathe,
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Speaker 1: they go into an electrolyte in balance because of dehydration,
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Speaker 1: and then finally, what's gonna happen. Child will actually sees
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Speaker 1: this is what happened. This is what happens in starvation
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Speaker 1: cases and deprivation cases that child will sees it's not
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Speaker 1: getting adequate nutrients, hydration, and child will sees it's a
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Speaker 1: horrible death. Until finally child goes into cardiac arrest. And
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Speaker 1: that's what happened in this particular case, based upon cases
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Speaker 1: the way of the Harvey Weinstein scandal, which many people
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Speaker 1: I heard at the end um one of the ladies say, you, Corey,
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Speaker 1: are damaging an entire industry. What was she talking about
22:00
Speaker 1: to Alan Dieke, Well, that was Barbara Walters, and she's
22:04
Speaker 1: getting a lot of criticism today for this. In hindsight,
22:07
Speaker 1: she was saying, you're slandering the whole industry, and that's
22:11
Speaker 1: not fair. And this is the point I think she
22:13
Speaker 1: was making, and that's that he was saying that we're
22:16
Speaker 1: several executives and others in Hollywood who were pedophiles and
22:19
Speaker 1: who had molested him and his friends, but he's not
22:22
Speaker 1: naming names, and because of that, it does damage the
22:24
Speaker 1: whole industry because he's doing this sort of like McCarthy
22:27
Speaker 1: did communism back in the fifties. He's saying, I got
22:29
Speaker 1: a list, but I'm not giving details her names. But
22:32
Speaker 1: now he says he's going to come forward if he
22:34
Speaker 1: can raise ten million dollars, if you'd make your donations. Now,
22:37
Speaker 1: I want to talk about Corey Fellman's claims regarding Hollywood. Now,
22:42
Speaker 1: what exactly are his claims? Alan, Well, he actually wrote
22:47
Speaker 1: this in his book Choreography years ago, that when he
22:51
Speaker 1: was a child actor making these big movies, and that
22:54
Speaker 1: he was molested, and that his friends, including Corey Hame,
22:57
Speaker 1: were molested. But he doesn't name the names, and he's
23:00
Speaker 1: as there were six of them. Now he's saying that
23:01
Speaker 1: one of them is still a very powerful Hollywood executive
23:04
Speaker 1: connected to a major studio, and he says it's throughout
23:08
Speaker 1: the entire industry. But he's not naming names, but he
23:12
Speaker 1: says he's ready to, and he says he's living in
23:14
Speaker 1: fear now. Joe Scott Morgage investigated so many many cases.
23:21
Speaker 1: I'm concerned that he is holding back a list. Well,
23:26
Speaker 1: why at this juncture would you hold back a list
23:30
Speaker 1: of people of child predators? Why not give the list
23:34
Speaker 1: to the police and launch an investigation. What other purpose?
23:38
Speaker 1: Why would you hold back with hold a list. There
23:41
Speaker 1: are tons of attorneys Nancy in l A that would
23:44
Speaker 1: be more than happy to come to his aid and
23:47
Speaker 1: begin to have a conversation with the prosecutors about this.
23:52
Speaker 1: If he's looking to make money, trust me, the money
23:54
Speaker 1: will come. But you've got people out there that, according
23:56
Speaker 1: to him, are still actively engaged in this behavior. I
24:00
Speaker 1: have stood over the bodies of too many children that
24:03
Speaker 1: have died through abuse and neglect over the course of
24:05
Speaker 1: my career, and it it makes my skin crawl to
24:08
Speaker 1: think that if he does have access to this information,
24:11
Speaker 1: why is he not turning it over to the authorities
24:13
Speaker 1: so that a resolution can come about at least the
24:16
Speaker 1: thing can be interdicted at this moment in tom And
24:19
Speaker 1: it just it leaves me baffled that you would throw
24:22
Speaker 1: this kind of thing out there before the public, in
24:24
Speaker 1: the sight of everyone, and that you know this information. Okay,
24:28
Speaker 1: you got the information. Come on, dude, put it out there,
24:30
Speaker 1: let's talk about it. Well, there's another reason for it.
24:33
Speaker 1: There's another reason for it. Dr Tiffany Sanders joining US psychologist,
24:38
Speaker 1: is that if the predator is still there, what about
24:41
Speaker 1: the children that are being victimized right now? If you
24:45
Speaker 1: hold back that information, you're allowing essentially for more children
24:49
Speaker 1: to fall as victims. Absolutely, Nancy and you and I
24:52
Speaker 1: are mandated reporters. So if we know that someone is
24:54
Speaker 1: possibly being abused, a harm or neglected, it's a requirement
24:58
Speaker 1: for us UH to to speak to the police, to
25:01
Speaker 1: tell them, to warn them about these individuals. So, um,
25:04
Speaker 1: though he's not a licensed professional as you and I are,
25:07
Speaker 1: it's still sad to hear that he's not trying to
25:09
Speaker 1: speak up and actually give names to protect these individuals.
25:12
Speaker 1: It seems like there's some sort of self interest going
25:14
Speaker 1: on for him, you know, to get this campaign for
25:16
Speaker 1: this movie off the ground. But think about the children.
25:19
Speaker 1: As a mandated reporter, if I know that someone is
25:22
Speaker 1: potentially abusing a child, and a child does not have
25:25
Speaker 1: a voice and cannot defend themselves, I am going to
25:28
Speaker 1: speak up, not just to protect my license, but there's
25:31
Speaker 1: a more reason to do so, there's a more responsibility
25:35
Speaker 1: And and to speak to Corey's campaign, I could. I
25:38
Speaker 1: could really commend him for his passion, but it's misguided.
25:41
Speaker 1: Is going in the wrong direction. Speak up, there's no
25:44
Speaker 1: need to be quiet about this. Well, I got a
25:45
Speaker 1: soft spart I've got a very soft spot for Corey
25:48
Speaker 1: Felman because he's a star of one of my all
25:50
Speaker 1: time favorite movies, stand By Me. I want everything good
25:54
Speaker 1: for him. I want everything to work out in the
25:58
Speaker 1: best way for him. And if these clients are true,
26:02
Speaker 1: you know, God Spade, I think that in addition to
26:05
Speaker 1: him using his creative outlet and making a movie, he
26:09
Speaker 1: must go forward to the authorities. Take a listen to
26:13
Speaker 1: what Corey Fellman says. My life has turned into utter chaos.
26:17
Speaker 1: You can probably tell by the sound of my voice
26:20
Speaker 1: it's pretty ripped up because of the devastation of what
26:23
Speaker 1: I've been through the past few days. I've experienced things
26:26
Speaker 1: like never before. I mean, I've been silenced my whole life,
26:29
Speaker 1: but just over the past few days since I made
26:31
Speaker 1: that announcement, I've been arrested. I had a near death
26:35
Speaker 1: experience last night where I felt like I was almost
26:37
Speaker 1: going to be killed. Two trucks came speeding at me
26:42
Speaker 1: at the same time on a cross walk, and then
26:48
Speaker 1: several of my band members decided to quit because they're
26:50
Speaker 1: afraid for their lives. I don't know what got into
26:54
Speaker 1: their heads. I don't know what they're afraid of all
26:55
Speaker 1: of a sudden, but they just left. I'm very alone,
26:59
Speaker 1: but I need to protect myself and I need to
27:02
Speaker 1: protect my family. I need additional security, and I need
27:07
Speaker 1: a legal team to help represent me so that I
27:11
Speaker 1: can fulfill this mission. What I'm proposing is a plan
27:14
Speaker 1: that I believe can literally change the entertainment system as
27:17
Speaker 1: we know it. And I believe that I can also
27:20
Speaker 1: bring down potentially a pedophile ring that I've been aware
27:25
Speaker 1: of since I was a child. Right off the bat,
27:27
Speaker 1: I can name six names, one of them who is
27:30
Speaker 1: still very powerful today, and a story that links all
27:34
Speaker 1: the way up to a studio. It connects pedophilia to
27:37
Speaker 1: one of the major studios. I I'm very afraid to
27:42
Speaker 1: do this. It's not easy. I've been living in fear
27:44
Speaker 1: and been living with this my entire life. As most
27:47
Speaker 1: victims have. I've been made to feel awkward, misunderstood, and
27:53
Speaker 1: I've been degraded at great levels. Rumors have been told,
27:58
Speaker 1: stories have been made up about me, and I've been
28:00
Speaker 1: insulted and degraded in ways that were unimaginable to me,
28:04
Speaker 1: all because they fear what I know as the truth.
28:08
Speaker 1: And I'm not alone. I know that there's thousands others
28:11
Speaker 1: that have experienced what I've experienced in the entertainment industry.
28:14
Speaker 1: I also know that there's peers of mine who know
28:17
Speaker 1: exactly what I'm talking about and know all the details,
28:19
Speaker 1: but have been afraid to come forward with their own truths.
28:22
Speaker 1: I am using this to draw a line in the sand,
28:25
Speaker 1: to say to the Hollywood community, we are better than this.
28:29
Speaker 1: I know that we can stand together as one, We
28:31
Speaker 1: can be united, and we can create an affront. Those
28:35
Speaker 1: good people out there, There's plenty of them that I've
28:37
Speaker 1: become friends with over the years. They can help me.
28:40
Speaker 1: Right now, you guys can take my side and we
28:42
Speaker 1: can stand together. But additionally, not just the entertainment industry,
28:47
Speaker 1: the entire world, the entire planet can come together over
28:50
Speaker 1: this issue because our children are the most sacred things
28:54
Speaker 1: we have. Who could even dream of robbing an innocent
28:57
Speaker 1: child of their life experience. It's not fair and it
29:01
Speaker 1: must end. So I'm begging you to join me and
29:05
Speaker 1: let our voices be heard. I've lived in shame and
29:09
Speaker 1: fear my entire life, and so have millions of others.
29:12
Speaker 1: And now we have the ability to let our voices
29:14
Speaker 1: be heard and break the damn of silence. I propose
29:18
Speaker 1: to do this by making a film that will be
29:20
Speaker 1: the most honest and true depiction of child abuse ever portrayed,
29:26
Speaker 1: by telling my own story in a very real way,
29:30
Speaker 1: in a very honest way, with no editing, no censorship,
29:36
Speaker 1: no studio behind it. I will make the film, I'll
29:39
Speaker 1: direct the film, I'll produce the film, and I will
29:41
Speaker 1: self distribute it to guarantee that it gets a theatrical
29:45
Speaker 1: release with your donations. Additionally, it will help me by
29:49
Speaker 1: the security and the legal team that I need to
29:51
Speaker 1: protect my family until the project is released. And once
29:56
Speaker 1: it's done, I believe that we can revolutionize the film
29:58
Speaker 1: industry in a way that we can root out the
30:00
Speaker 1: evil and make it safe for our kids again. So
30:03
Speaker 1: please join me in this fight. I know that together
30:06
Speaker 1: we can stand strong. The time is now. I've had
30:09
Speaker 1: people on Twitter begging me to do this, and I
30:11
Speaker 1: need to tell you that with thirty thousand new followers
30:14
Speaker 1: just in the last week, I know this is what
30:16
Speaker 1: everybody wants to know. Everybody wants the answer, who did this,
30:20
Speaker 1: Who's responsible? They all want the answer, And all these
30:24
Speaker 1: people taunt me and tease me and bullying me on
30:27
Speaker 1: social media on a daily basis. Every day when I
30:29
Speaker 1: go on Twitter, I have to be confronted with this
30:31
Speaker 1: topic that I do not want to have to think
30:33
Speaker 1: about again. But every day when I'm trying to live
30:35
Speaker 1: my life and do other things and go on with
30:38
Speaker 1: my tour that I've worked so hard for, I had
30:41
Speaker 1: to lose all of that for this, and I'm willing
30:44
Speaker 1: to walk away from all of it if I can
30:46
Speaker 1: make a difference, and I believe that I can with
30:49
Speaker 1: this idea, So please join me and help me and
30:54
Speaker 1: making our voices be heard and making a change that
30:58
Speaker 1: can revolutionize the film industry, save millions of children's lives,
31:03
Speaker 1: and let the truth be told so that the people
31:06
Speaker 1: who have done this damage can come to their consequences
31:09
Speaker 1: they deserve. Justice will be served under God's name, because
31:14
Speaker 1: this is about good and evil. At the end of
31:16
Speaker 1: the day, there is nothing more evil than people who
31:18
Speaker 1: want to take advantage of innocent children. Let's protect them together.
31:23
Speaker 1: God bless you. Alan Duke. He's if these claims are true,
31:26
Speaker 1: He's up against a lot in Hollywood. I understand his
31:29
Speaker 1: whole band, all the band members quit once he came
31:32
Speaker 1: forward with this claim. It's going to be difficult. What
31:34
Speaker 1: lawyer is going to touch it with a ten foot
31:36
Speaker 1: pole in Hollywood anyway? Yeah, you know, it's a very
31:39
Speaker 1: dangerous thing for a lawyer to get involved with the
31:42
Speaker 1: last time this happened, we had this pedophilia allegation made
31:45
Speaker 1: against major figures in Hollywood a few years ago in
31:48
Speaker 1: the lawyer ended up quitting after two months, paying a
31:51
Speaker 1: settlement to the alleged pedophiles, the defendants in that, and
31:57
Speaker 1: putting out a statement saying if he had known the
32:00
Speaker 1: were false allegations, who would have gotten involved in it.
32:02
Speaker 1: So you've got to be very careful because a lawyer
32:04
Speaker 1: has liability if he gets involved with this and it
32:07
Speaker 1: turns out that it is not substantiated. You know, though,
32:10
Speaker 1: I don't want to throw a Corey film and in
32:11
Speaker 1: the same pot with that guy. That guy's a convicted
32:13
Speaker 1: felon that. I mean, my point is, what is that
32:19
Speaker 1: That's just like saying, oh, a woman claims she was
32:21
Speaker 1: ripe ten years ago and she really wasn't. I mean,
32:24
Speaker 1: what does that have to do with this now? Nothing? Well,
32:26
Speaker 1: first of all, there's the other thing about in Hollywood
32:29
Speaker 1: is um, these uh powerful executives have very powerful, smart,
32:34
Speaker 1: aggressive lawyers. And as what happened in the last case,
32:37
Speaker 1: they just just tore up that last lawyer who defended. Now,
32:41
Speaker 1: there are some very brave lawyers here, you know them.
32:44
Speaker 1: I mean, there's Gloria all written. You know she is
32:47
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32:50
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32:53
Speaker 1: for one thing, before you can get a lawyer on board,
32:55
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32:58
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33:00
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33:03
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Speaker 1: that's what the wife of the so called hot felon
35:44
Speaker 1: is saying this morning. I had no idea he was
35:48
Speaker 1: looking for someone else. Why is everybody all into the
35:53
Speaker 1: so called hot felon Jeremy Meeks. He's cheated on and
35:58
Speaker 1: left his wife, who is who has given birth and
36:02
Speaker 1: raising their children. He is a felon. He's got a
36:05
Speaker 1: felony criminal record, and he has a tattoo on his face.
36:11
Speaker 1: What is appealing about that with me? Alexis tres Chuck,
36:15
Speaker 1: investigative reporter for Radar Online dot Com. Also, and boy,
36:19
Speaker 1: do we need a shrink today. Dr Tiffany Sanders psychologists
36:23
Speaker 1: joining us. First, Alexa's let me understand all the facts
36:27
Speaker 1: before I go to the shrink. Dr Tiffany Sanders helped
36:30
Speaker 1: me out. Alexe, just just start at the beginning. So
36:35
Speaker 1: the beginning is when he became famous. His mug shot
36:39
Speaker 1: was posted online. Somebody saw it. He's gorgeous, he has
36:42
Speaker 1: these piercing eyes, his these beautiful cheekbones, and so he
36:46
Speaker 1: the picture of him went viral. Hot felon. Oh you
36:49
Speaker 1: just think I'm a felon? You a cute guy? Whatever?
36:51
Speaker 1: You don't know. You know what his felony was for.
36:52
Speaker 1: He was a gang member and had with possession of
36:55
Speaker 1: a gun. And he even admitted, oh yeah, wait a minute,
36:58
Speaker 1: who said, oh he's a key guy. I never said, oh,
37:02
Speaker 1: he's a cute guy, because when I saw the word
37:04
Speaker 1: felon attached to his mug shot, I don't care how
37:08
Speaker 1: you want to put perfume on the pig and Gussie
37:10
Speaker 1: it up. It's a mug shot and a mug shot.
37:12
Speaker 1: It's not cute to me. Alexis Terrez, Chuck, you have
37:16
Speaker 1: a baby boy, right, Do you want the photo he's
37:19
Speaker 1: remembered for to be as mug shot? This is what
37:22
Speaker 1: people do in the standards, Yes or no, Alexis? Okay?
37:26
Speaker 1: Why why do you want your daughter? You want your
37:29
Speaker 1: son and hopefully one day your daughter. I'm pushing for
37:32
Speaker 1: a baby sister here. Do you want your son dating
37:34
Speaker 1: a felon? Do you know? Huh? Why? Why? Why? Why? Why?
37:39
Speaker 1: This mom? His mom decided to take advantage of his name,
37:42
Speaker 1: and she even set up a go fund Me page
37:43
Speaker 1: so people could give them money to help pay for
37:45
Speaker 1: all his legal troubles. His legal troubles. He's got better,
37:48
Speaker 1: bigger troubles and legal troubles. Okay, I got you all
37:51
Speaker 1: track with all the ranting. Start at the beginning. So
37:54
Speaker 1: he's arrested for gang activity and possession of a firearm.
37:58
Speaker 1: He's booked, all right, take it from the How did
38:00
Speaker 1: he get famous? That's what I don't understand. The police
38:02
Speaker 1: department posts there mug shots online. People saw it and
38:07
Speaker 1: thought that he was gorgeous, so it went viral. Everybody
38:10
Speaker 1: started looking at him. He got he earned the nickname
38:12
Speaker 1: the hot felon because it looked like a Calviclne underwear model.
38:15
Speaker 1: Add his his picture because he's so handsome. I think
38:19
Speaker 1: he's handsome. Sorry, okay, I'm sorry to hear you say that.
38:23
Speaker 1: And then about let's say, your son in about fifteen years,
38:26
Speaker 1: I'll get back with you on this. We'll find out
38:28
Speaker 1: if your son, god forbid, has a record, I mean
38:31
Speaker 1: even jay walking. I'm on him like a cheap suit.
38:34
Speaker 1: I'm gonna remind you of this. Okay, So let me
38:36
Speaker 1: go to Dr Tiffany Sanders, psychologist joining us, and you
38:39
Speaker 1: know Dr Tiffany. Typically I'm talking to you about killers, murderers,
38:44
Speaker 1: serial killers, free killers, child predators, the works. So can
38:48
Speaker 1: I just take a tiny break from that and talk
38:49
Speaker 1: to you about the so called hot felon. I'm not
38:52
Speaker 1: going to call him the hot felon because he's not
38:54
Speaker 1: hot to me. To me, he's a felon. I don't
38:57
Speaker 1: want him. I don't want anything to do with him,
38:59
Speaker 1: and I certainly don't one in busting up marriages. I mean,
39:01
Speaker 1: have you seen the wife. The wife is gorgeous. She's beautiful.
39:06
Speaker 1: Plus she is the mother of three. She just broke
39:10
Speaker 1: down in tears on UM it was a britt talk
39:13
Speaker 1: show UM this morning with Ben Shephard and Aman to
39:17
Speaker 1: hold him. Broke down confessing she still misses her husband
39:22
Speaker 1: of eight years. How can that be? Dr Tiffany? Why
39:26
Speaker 1: would she still miss him? Oh wait, hold on, Dr Tiffany. Jackie,
39:31
Speaker 1: always the jaded one, is holding up a big sign.
39:35
Speaker 1: But she ain't rich. She's gorgeous, but she ain't rich. Okay, true,
39:39
Speaker 1: how can this? How can the wife still miss him?
39:42
Speaker 1: Dr Tiffany. She made a commitment to him. She made
39:45
Speaker 1: a commitment to love, to honor, to honor, to cherish him.
39:48
Speaker 1: They have three beautiful kids. He is a handful man.
39:51
Speaker 1: He has great bone structure. He has these piercing blue eyes.
39:53
Speaker 1: I mean, he's gorgeous. He's got tattoos all over his neck,
39:58
Speaker 1: crawling up behind his ear. I don't want to wake
40:01
Speaker 1: up wait wait, wait, wait, wait wait wait, Dr Tiffany.
40:03
Speaker 1: I do not want to wake up to a net
40:06
Speaker 1: in an ear covered in tattoos. I don't want to
40:08
Speaker 1: see that first thing in the morning. Okay, I don't
40:12
Speaker 1: want to say it, you know, I I think to
40:14
Speaker 1: each his own and and for her. You know, he
40:17
Speaker 1: was that rough guy. He could probably protect us, but
40:19
Speaker 1: unfortunately he was a gang member. He is a gang member.
40:22
Speaker 1: But that one muck shot went viral. And the difficult
40:25
Speaker 1: thing is it says she can't compete with this heiress.
40:28
Speaker 1: This heiress is a daughter of a billionaire, and so
40:31
Speaker 1: her come up is not as great as this other woman's.
40:34
Speaker 1: And so he really, to me, is a leech. And
40:36
Speaker 1: it's hard for her to to disconnect that he's a
40:39
Speaker 1: leech now because she still sees them as a father
40:41
Speaker 1: of her children and her husband. And that's very difficult
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Speaker 1: to raise after you've committed yourself and you've been married
40:48
Speaker 1: and you had children with this man. Oh, dear Lord
40:51
Speaker 1: in heaven, Alexa's Trusha. I hope you got your iPad
40:54
Speaker 1: with you, because right now I'm looking at a picture.
40:56
Speaker 1: Let me hold this up to the studio. Look, Jackie, Look, look, guys,
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Speaker 1: that's him with the new girlfriend. Okay, I don't even
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Speaker 1: know what this is. It looks like she has on
41:04
Speaker 1: nothing except she's got on like I guess they're dressed
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Speaker 1: up in some weird style. Two thousand seventeen of what
41:12
Speaker 1: they think an American Indian might have looked like, oh,
41:15
Speaker 1: it's an ad campaign, thank you, Jackie. Here he is
41:19
Speaker 1: publicly parading his romance with Aris Chloe. Is they this
41:23
Speaker 1: is not an ad campaign, Jackie, thank you for the
41:25
Speaker 1: false information. Uh As they enjoyed carnival during a sunny
41:29
Speaker 1: Barbados holiday. Okay, now she's writing something else, funny, you
41:33
Speaker 1: just keep scribbling. She has on nothing, but it looks
41:37
Speaker 1: like a beated thong and like feathers around her head,
41:43
Speaker 1: and he has on feathers like a mohawk in a
41:45
Speaker 1: pair of underwear, and they're kissing. I'm just wondering Dr
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Speaker 1: Tiffany Sanders when his wife sees that if she's looking,
41:53
Speaker 1: and I'm sure she used for her company top shot. Okay,
41:56
Speaker 1: no it all. Nobody likes to know it all, Jackie
41:58
Speaker 1: just f y I okay, it wasn't at campaign. So look,
42:03
Speaker 1: you know the wife doesn't want to look. Why do
42:05
Speaker 1: we look? Why do we look at things we know
42:07
Speaker 1: are going to hurt us? Because sometimes we have this
42:10
Speaker 1: false thinking that if I just see it, if I
42:13
Speaker 1: feel the pain, that it will be so much that
42:15
Speaker 1: it will turn me off from willing to love, wanting
42:17
Speaker 1: to love him, and that's just not how it works.
42:19
Speaker 1: You know. Another thing is curiosity. Curiosity killed the cat,
42:23
Speaker 1: but satisfaction brought it back. Um, Alexis tres Chuck. Have
42:26
Speaker 1: you ever had before you met your awesome husband. You
42:30
Speaker 1: should have seen him when you were in the hospital
42:32
Speaker 1: and you had that collapsed along and he was out
42:35
Speaker 1: there in the waiting room. You hit paid dirt. Don't
42:38
Speaker 1: tell him I said that, because I always tell him
42:40
Speaker 1: he married up. But you really hit paid dirt with
42:42
Speaker 1: that one. And that's what you need in a husband.
42:45
Speaker 1: There's a good looking man, it's like a bus. Another
42:48
Speaker 1: one will come along and roll up in about fifteen minutes.
42:52
Speaker 1: That's not what you need. You need a man. Not
42:55
Speaker 1: that your husband's not good looking, because he is, but
42:58
Speaker 1: a man that's there for you. I mean, that is
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Speaker 1: sitting out there in the waiting room waiting for you
43:02
Speaker 1: to open your eyes so he can rush in there
43:04
Speaker 1: and be by your side. That is what marriage to me,
43:07
Speaker 1: that's what marriage it's all about. It is somebody that
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Speaker 1: you love and trust and they're there through thick or thin.
43:13
Speaker 1: Everything else is just gravy. It's just icing on the cake.
43:17
Speaker 1: So why back to the question, have you ever had
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Speaker 1: a bad boyfriend? Alexis sure, bad boyfriend, but never a felon,
43:24
Speaker 1: not that you know. Why is it Dr Tiffany Sanders
43:27
Speaker 1: that people want bad guys? Why do you want one?
43:31
Speaker 1: You know, any of us want one. I used to
43:34
Speaker 1: say I wanted and educated. Look, don't ask me why
43:36
Speaker 1: I was young. I was, thankfully. I gotta feel an
43:39
Speaker 1: educated husband. But what we like about it is the
43:41
Speaker 1: thought that that person can protect us. They're strong, if
43:44
Speaker 1: they're on the street, they can defend our honor. And
43:47
Speaker 1: so we walk around with these theories of this is
43:50
Speaker 1: what a good guy looks like, and that's not correct.
43:52
Speaker 1: The good guy could be an accountant. The good guy
43:54
Speaker 1: can be a lawyer, a lawyer or a consolian. And
43:57
Speaker 1: what she fell in love with was a felon. And
44:00
Speaker 1: he's willing to break the law, and he's willing to
44:01
Speaker 1: break the marriage law, the vow. So so she really
44:04
Speaker 1: had um a sort of information. I had a time
44:07
Speaker 1: to know that this may not be the type of
44:08
Speaker 1: man you want to marry, but she turned a blind
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Speaker 1: eye because she was in love. Or what I feel
44:13
Speaker 1: like is she was in lust with who good looks
44:16
Speaker 1: I was basically looking for somebody really big that could
44:19
Speaker 1: lift things, and David is and so he fit all
44:22
Speaker 1: my criteria. Alexis, isn't it true that he has a
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Speaker 1: tattoo of a tear drop on his face coming out
44:29
Speaker 1: of his eye and that is a gang symbol. I'm
44:32
Speaker 1: sure the prosecutor you know that. I learned when I
44:36
Speaker 1: was prosecuting that typically it means that you have killed somebody,
44:42
Speaker 1: that you have killed someone or spend time in prison.
44:47
Speaker 1: That is typically what that means. It can acknowledge the
44:51
Speaker 1: loss of family or fellow gang member, but typically the
44:54
Speaker 1: meaning is you've killed somebody or you've done time behind bars. Now,
44:58
Speaker 1: don't you know this young heiress's family is just so
45:02
Speaker 1: proud that she has landed the so called hot felon.
45:05
Speaker 1: Can we just talk about that for I'm an Alexis
45:07
Speaker 1: to rest Chuck? Who is she? Chloe Green is the
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Speaker 1: heiress of top Shop, the top Shop Fortunate. You may
45:13
Speaker 1: not be familiar with that line because it is just
45:15
Speaker 1: come to the United States. It's a British line, but
45:17
Speaker 1: it is international. Her father is a billionaire, very cutting
45:21
Speaker 1: edge clothes, but act and very expensive clothes. Top models
45:24
Speaker 1: Kate Boss has modeled for them. They have very very
45:27
Speaker 1: expensive clothes, and she has fallen ahead of her heels
45:30
Speaker 1: in love with the hot Felon and she has given
45:33
Speaker 1: him pretty much everything that he could ever imagine. Can
45:36
Speaker 1: I tell you a little personal story. Two weeks ago
45:39
Speaker 1: I got to Alexis. You know I live for personal stories.
45:42
Speaker 1: Go ahead. I got two text messages within an hour
45:44
Speaker 1: of each other of my friends who had seen hot
45:47
Speaker 1: Felon in his ferrari with his kids here in Los Angeles.
45:51
Speaker 1: One was at a falafel place. Was my friend's husband
45:54
Speaker 1: and he said he saw him. He was in the ferrari,
45:56
Speaker 1: his kids were there. And another was a girlfriend of
45:58
Speaker 1: mine who was out in malibus and sent me a picture.
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Speaker 1: She said, look at this. I said, who is that?
46:03
Speaker 1: She said, that's a hot Felon. I said, my god,
46:04
Speaker 1: what are you doing? She said, I just saw him
46:07
Speaker 1: with all of his kids and and and her son
46:09
Speaker 1: was with her. She took a picture with him. I
46:10
Speaker 1: was like, you just took a picture with a man
46:12
Speaker 1: who spent nine years in prison. But okay, my husband
46:14
Speaker 1: saw him to Alexis. Did he really? Yeah? You know.
46:18
Speaker 1: David travels all the time for work. He has a job,
46:21
Speaker 1: a job, hot felon. My husband works for a living. Yeah,
46:26
Speaker 1: not like you, not mooching off your girlfriend. Um, but
46:29
Speaker 1: he has a job, and he was traveling out of
46:32
Speaker 1: town and he walked through some hotel lobby it had
46:34
Speaker 1: to be New Yorker, California, and he saw hot felon. Okay,
46:39
Speaker 1: I know he's a model, Jackie. Jackie's trying to defend him. Okay,
46:43
Speaker 1: Now what about the family. I'm looking at a picture
46:46
Speaker 1: right now of the so called hot felon Jeremy Meeks
46:50
Speaker 1: gazing into the eyes of his heiress girlfriend Chloe Green,
46:54
Speaker 1: and her mother Tina gives him the so called seal
46:58
Speaker 1: of approval at a star studied charity bash. They're in
47:03
Speaker 1: tons of pictures together. Um, can you help me understand that,
47:07
Speaker 1: Dr Tiffany Sanders, Because whenever I think I know what's happening,
47:11
Speaker 1: whenever one of my children are making a bad decision.
47:14
Speaker 1: Sometimes sometimes I would say about sixty percent of the time,
47:18
Speaker 1: I go, okay, if you don't want to go to
47:20
Speaker 1: soccer practice, that's okay, And only took me a year
47:23
Speaker 1: and a picture of you with Hope solo to get
47:25
Speaker 1: you into the soccer league. But if you don't want
47:27
Speaker 1: to go to practice, that's okay. I'm sure you know
47:29
Speaker 1: you'll find something to do after they kick you out,
47:31
Speaker 1: no problem, And I'll just let him ruminate for a while.
47:33
Speaker 1: But if you throw throw too much of a fit,
47:36
Speaker 1: they'll do the reverse. Right. So what do you think
47:40
Speaker 1: about the mom and all these pictures, she's all like
47:42
Speaker 1: snugged up with them. You know, it's really interesting because
47:46
Speaker 1: you typically want the best for your children. You want
47:49
Speaker 1: them to meet mary date honorable people, those who would
47:53
Speaker 1: you know, uh, rub shoulders with other honorable people. And
47:57
Speaker 1: so to see her mom give this proverbial okay to
48:01
Speaker 1: this relationship and to be all snugged and hugged up
48:04
Speaker 1: with them, you know, it speaks to her values as well.
48:07
Speaker 1: You know, yes, they're from a very wealthy family. They
48:10
Speaker 1: have this amazing clothing line, but that doesn't mean that
48:13
Speaker 1: you have good core values, good core family values, and
48:16
Speaker 1: you don't know how people earn their money. Yes, they
48:19
Speaker 1: may make this great clothing line, but there's always sometimes
48:22
Speaker 1: backhanded things that people do. So I have a question.
48:25
Speaker 1: You know, it's sort of the values the belief system
48:28
Speaker 1: of this family that they're parading him around. He's covered
48:31
Speaker 1: in tattoos from head to toe, and that's okay. I
48:33
Speaker 1: have a tattoo. I don't have a problem with tattoos,
48:36
Speaker 1: but these are game tattoos a tear drop, so they
48:39
Speaker 1: aren't getting pretty much an okay to this lifestyle. And
48:42
Speaker 1: it's really a bad uh that thinks to communicate to
48:45
Speaker 1: the world and to people that may be looking up
48:47
Speaker 1: to you. Okay, Actually I'm okay with tattoos too. I
48:50
Speaker 1: don't want one, and I don't want the children to
48:52
Speaker 1: have one until they're old enough to make a decision
48:55
Speaker 1: that it's something they want to live with forever and ever.
48:58
Speaker 1: But I don't like about his too, is that the
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Speaker 1: gang symbols and I do not want to see that, Okay,
49:03
Speaker 1: don't want to see it. And also, I gotta tell
49:05
Speaker 1: you something, some of the best witnesses I ever put
49:09
Speaker 1: on the stand, and I believed them, and I counted
49:12
Speaker 1: on them and relied on them, and we became actually
49:15
Speaker 1: very very good friends, and our friends to this day
49:17
Speaker 1: were convicted felons. I mean, you know, you don't go
49:20
Speaker 1: to the country club to catch a dope dealer. Okay,
49:23
Speaker 1: that's not who you're gonna That's not who your witnesses are,
49:26
Speaker 1: but I found them many of them to be some
49:29
Speaker 1: of the most reliable people I've ever met. People end
49:32
Speaker 1: up in jail for a lot of different reasons, and
49:35
Speaker 1: it really is true that you can be in the
49:38
Speaker 1: wrong place, at the wrong time, with the wrong people
49:41
Speaker 1: and you get thrown in the pot along with them.
49:43
Speaker 1: That can happen. It's true. I know it's hard for
49:45
Speaker 1: you to believe I'm saying it, but it can happen.
49:48
Speaker 1: So this is not about him, really. My disdain is
49:51
Speaker 1: not about him having a record. A lot of people
49:54
Speaker 1: have a record. It's not about his tattoos said their
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Speaker 1: gang related It's about the fact that he was married
50:00
Speaker 1: with children and dumped his beautiful but poor wife for
50:04
Speaker 1: a younger model that happens to be an heiress to
50:09
Speaker 1: a billion dollar fortune. Okay, I I keep hearing that
50:12
Speaker 1: Alan Duke is chomping at the bit. Go ahead, Alan,
50:16
Speaker 1: hit me. Well, there's a new one out there for
50:18
Speaker 1: the US guys. I mean, you ladies have had the
50:20
Speaker 1: hot felon. Now we've got mug shot. Bay Marella Potts
50:25
Speaker 1: is the new hot female felon, twenty years old, arrested
50:29
Speaker 1: recently in Fresno, California, after police stopped her car. She
50:32
Speaker 1: had a loaded gun, a purple gun, had seven bullets
50:36
Speaker 1: in the magazine, and she had her child with her.
50:39
Speaker 1: She's charged with carrying a concealed firearm. Did you say
50:42
Speaker 1: a purple gun? I think I saw a picture of it.
50:44
Speaker 1: A purple gun she had. It's a stolen firearm. Not
50:49
Speaker 1: many of those floating around. Yeah, and she they say
50:53
Speaker 1: she's part of the Tiny Rascal gang. But look at
50:56
Speaker 1: her picture, Nancy, see her tattoo she's got. If I'm
50:59
Speaker 1: gonna be in the gang, and it's not going to
51:01
Speaker 1: be the Tiny Rastle. If you're gonna fall in it's
51:03
Speaker 1: gonna be like the Big Bag rot While or gang
51:05
Speaker 1: something like that. If you've got to fall in love,
51:08
Speaker 1: if a man's gonna fall in love with a woman
51:10
Speaker 1: who's a gang member of the Tiny Rascal gang, is
51:12
Speaker 1: probably good because you have children. She's got a rose
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Speaker 1: tattoo on her neck and across her chest. Love is pain,
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Speaker 1: Pain is pleasure. Now what guy doesn't want to hear that?
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Speaker 1: And with that, Nancy Grace Prime Stories signing off, Goodbye friend,