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And welcome to another edition of the Urantia Radio Podcast,
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where we talk about the 5th epochal revelation.
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This time up, I'm joined by my good friend and fellow Urantia
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book reader, Joel Garbin, an engineer by trade, a scientist,
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a real scientist, a real thinker, and we're going to talk
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about the importance of the life carrier sons, and hopefully
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solve the question of evolution versus creation.
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Plus, we're also going to talk about the importance of family
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in modern life and what has gone horribly wrong.
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This episode of the Urantia Radio podcast is coming up.
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Joel Garvin, he's a friend, known him for a couple of years.
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He's been on a couple of episodes.
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We've originally got into ufology and talked about the
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relationship between the Urantia book and many of the belief
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systems of ufologists and trying to connect dots here and there.
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But I thought of you. First of all, how are you?
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And it's good to have you back. Joel, how are you?
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Oh, great, Jim. Yeah, it's been a good week and
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I'm always happy to talk to you about the UB related material.
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We definitely have some good and far reaching conversations.
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Don't. We sure do.
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Are you familiar with the life carrier sons very much from the
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Urancha book and who they are and all that?
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Yes, I in fact I think those are some of the more fascinating
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papers, the ones that deal with the life carriers and how they
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function and what their roles been in, you know, life
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implantation and the stewardship of life.
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And that they do provide quite a few other insights as well that
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I think. Go.
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Go beyond just that function. And yes, so I'm very interested.
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And so if that's going to be part of what we're going to
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discuss today, yeah, let's have at it.
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Well, I wanted to get your opinion on some of the
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statements, and I'm referring to paper 62 and a couple of
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paragraphs, paragraphs 2 and or sections 2 and sections 3.
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And I want to read a little bit, sort of as a preface to what
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we're going to talk about. And this is a lifted from paper
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62 on evolution. So patient with me while I read
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this. So it writes and and this was
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written actually by one of two life carrier sons that have
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remained on this world for how many millions of years.
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So this is a a an offspring of the divine son, the creator son,
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the divine spirit and one of three ancients of days.
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So in their collaborative effort, they produce these
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magnificent, magnificent Suns whose job it is to carry life to
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the evolutionary world. So that's the premise.
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So one of the two wrote a chapter in paper 62 where they
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explain how evolution came to be on our world.
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And people think, you know, evolution, it's against it's it
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means not creation. Now, once you're done with this
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episode, you'll realize the beauty and the symmetry of how
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evolution is God's handiwork. So he writes, it was from an
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agile little reptilian dinosaur of carnivorous habits, but
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having a comparatively large brain that the placental mammals
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suddenly sprang. These mammals developed rapidly
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and in many different ways, not only giving rise to the common
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modern varieties, but also evolving into marine types such
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as whales and seals, and into air navigators like the bat and
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the family. And later in the evolutionary
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unfolding of intelligence, the lemur ancestors of the human
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species were far more advanced in Northern America than in
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other regions. And they were therefore led to
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migrate from the arena of western life implantation over
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the Bering land bridge and down the coast to southwestern Asia,
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where they continued to evolve and to benefit by the addition
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of the certain strains of the central life group.
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And I did a little bit of research and I could probably
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find it. And I did discover that
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according to biology, there are different strains of pre
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existent lemurs that existed, and they have through DNA and
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all kinds of things that they can play with.
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Now they have determined that there were various groups of pre
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lemur types of animals and they were from different regions.
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It's I I was just blown away when I started reading.
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It's in Wikipedia of all places. I mean all kinds of notes
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probably for my next book. But isn't it amazing how the
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Urantia book always seems to be one step ahead of our own
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scientific discovery? What do you think about this
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placental mammal suddenly springing and becoming the
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mother? And what what goes through your
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mind when you when you've read? I'm sure you've read this, Joel.
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What do you think this left carrier is trying to tell us?
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Well, I think part of this is that when these mutations
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happen, they happen very spontaneously.
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And it's not necessarily in some smooth continuum where we can
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readily identify the so-called missing link or missing links.
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When you have a sudden mutation with no bridge species there,
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you wouldn't be able to say, oh, OK, well, this was the
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intermediate form between then and now, including for, you
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know, our species itself, you know, because they always talk
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about, OK, what what's the missing link?
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And, you know, was it was it Lucy, you know, or some other
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primate type of of creature that that had intelligence on a
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gradual basis? You know, there's really a lot
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of mystery around that. But I think the book does say in
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a few few different places where the the way life progressed on
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the evolutionary basis, it sprang suddenly from one species
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to another. And part of that story says that
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the original genetic material that was implanted onto, you
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know, this planet, or when it's done similarly on other planets
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that contain within that genetic material and they like to use
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the term germplasm for it. Within that genetic material are
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all the different possible formulations and genetic
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combinations to account for every possible life form that
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might arise through the long, long evolutionary chain of
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events. And to me that's the most
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incredible startling but beautiful and humbling fact.
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And I'm accepting it as a fact. Among all these other mysteries
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that impact on the physical world and and evolution as a
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mechanism for creation that the Father planned through the
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Creator Son creative Mother Spirit you know and the other
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other divine components. So the the specific question
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that you had about going from a a small leaping dinosaur to a
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placental mammal, yeah amazing. But it is consistent with the
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other aspects of of the story and so that's that's my my first
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comment on that. And it's interesting because you
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bring up a very good point, Paper 36 on on this very issue
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of how these life forms are constructed and designed
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painstakingly. So it's not an accident the the
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writer writes there are over 1,000,000 fundamental or cosmic
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chemical formulas which constitute the parent patterns
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of the numerous basic functioning variations of life
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manifestations. Satellite number one of the life
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planning sphere, which is a planet where life carrier sons
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receive their training. They write in the realm of the
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universe, physicists and electrochemicists,
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electrochemicists who serve as technical assistants to the life
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carriers in the work of capturing, organizing and
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manipulating the essential units of energy which are employed in
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building up the material vehicles of life transmission,
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the so-called germ plasm. So that might sound like a lot
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of gobbledygook, but again, it's it's basically they're
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explaining to us. It's unbelievable that the
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revelators really reveal so much, even to the point where
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explaining that the way that life evolved on this world was a
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planned event. The variations were unexpected,
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the spontaneity was still there, but these life carrier sons were
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sent here on a mission and their job was to facilitate.
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They also mentioned, Joel, and then I'll throw it out for
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comment to you, that there was a chance that the frog that led
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eventually to the development of human beings could have been
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killed. There were two other frogs that
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had been killed that also had the potentials and they also had
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that. Even under those circumstances,
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we still had 1000 other kinds of animals who could have evolved
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to become eventual evolutionary human beings.
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And to me, again, it's just fascinating that, you know,
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there was a lot of planning. When we say evolution, we don't
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mean accidental. These are the these are the
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children of the Son of God who are going out into the universe
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and bringing life with them. Or in our case, they're planting
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it in our own, our own environment.
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I just find that fascinating, don't you?
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Yeah, I think it speaks to a few different things.
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One, just the brilliance of the intelligence that's there and
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from the scientific level, the degree of knowledge on levels
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that of course we can't even comprehend.
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But as a scientist myself it it's very humbling to consider
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that Oh my gosh, what we consider genius on this planet
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compared to what it is on cosmic levels, it just pales in
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comparison and and it basically becomes laughable when we take
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ourselves too seriously no no matter what our expertise or or
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what we think we know in the ways of of science and and you
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know other aspects of knowledge. I think the other thing here
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Jim, is that the plan for redundancy you mentioned that
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yes, even if these these few amphibian species, frogs in this
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case, which were apparently the pathway that led to human
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beings, even if those had not made it on the survival course,
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that there were other redundant options that could have come
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through other evolutionary animal lines that still would
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have resulted in human beings. Now would would we have looked
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quite the same as we do right now?
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Well, probably not. But we still would have likely
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had this same very functional blueprint of a physical form.
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You know, two arms, 2 legs, one head, two eyes, that that type
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of thing. You know, fingers that can can
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build and engineer and all these other things that are considered
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basic to the human physical design.
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And and that, apparently, is a type of blueprint for human
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beings on other planets as well. Yeah, they they talk about the
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fact that there are, there are templates, for lack of a better
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term, architectural types and it starts with 12 and then there's
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variations of that. We are the we are of the type
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that are determined by 48 chromosomes, 46 trait
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determiners and then the X and the Y.
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And it's interesting because I never really thought about that
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but that's by design. That was the template that they
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used when they were projecting what kind of humanoid they would
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eventually like to see based on our atmosphere based on our
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terrain and and they go through a whole litany in one of the
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sections where it talks about the one brain series types of
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humans the air navigator types of humans the elemental types
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the gravity types all of these different there are planets that
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have people that can withstand higher temperatures and colder
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temperatures. It it really is a fascinating
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study and I'm surprised because we have so many palaeontologists
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archaeologists all these different sciences that would
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marvel. I I'm still I I still I
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understand now why Joel that in the early days of the revelation
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it was it was said that the revelators are like guys can't
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you get excited about this We're giving a revelation This is all
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new stuff we don't I I don't know if we've gotten there yet
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where we wow I I well, you and I have but it is amazing.
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But any further thoughts about that?
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And then I want to get into this other discussion briefly 'cause
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I like your input any further. Thoughts.
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Yeah, I I do. And that's that part of what
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they discuss and I think it is in that the earlier paper you
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referenced, I think it was 36. They talk about how there are
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not just terrestrial conditions like geophysical conditions that
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need to be ripe before they do the life implantation, but also
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there's astronomic influences that need to be right now.
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I I had thought about that a number of times.
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OK, why are they imparting that particular statement on having
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both geophysical environment and astronomic environment
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conditions that are favorable for life?
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Well, what do we know about mutations?
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Mutations seem to be stimulated by a certain by by certain
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things in in the environment, one or radiation that could come
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from a number of different sources.
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I mean we've all heard that, Oh my gosh, if you got exposed to
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dangerous radiation coming from, you know, radioactive elements
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or like a a nuclear power plant or or the atom bomb testing or
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whatever mutations could occur, you know, because of the the the
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damage to genetic material to chromosomes and DNA and such.
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But it doesn't have to necessarily be a destructive
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influence radiation coming in the way of perhaps something
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from the core of the planet. It might be radiation that's
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coming from the various radioactive heavy elements that
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that migrate to the core of the planet because of their density.
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There might be influences that come from that type of
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radiation. It might be radiation coming
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from our own star, of which there are several different
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gradations of energy, you know, along the whole light spectrum,
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you know, ranging ranging from, you know, infrared, ultraviolet,
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even, you know, up to gamma radiation.
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So those could be powerful energetic influences that could
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trigger mutations. Or there may be chemical
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influences as well that are unique to this planet and its
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chemistry, especially as it evolves over time through all
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the different geologic changes and the mineral mixtures and and
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all these other things. It could be a result of some of
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the cosmic bombardment of this planet, in particular because of
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meteors that are coming in, because much much of the mass of
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the Earth apparently is due to a meteoric accretion over time,
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which is basically space bombardment from meteorites,
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comets and such. And then you there might be
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influences from deep space, from the the types of of cosmic rays,
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other types of radiation that impinge upon our planet and that
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perhaps are modified by, you know, the protective layer
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around the earth, whether it's the ionosphere or the magnetic
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field of the planet and such. So what's amazing to me is that
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they plan the timing of the the life implantation of that
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original primal genetic material to coincide with favorable
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environmental influences both on the planet itself and relative
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to space conditions which might be relative to our star, to
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other planets to our certain position in the orbit of our
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solar system around other aspects of of the the local
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system and the complex orbits you know going from there around
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the constellation and then the the local universe etcetera.
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So that the the degree of intricate planning and
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coordination, again it's so humbling to think that there are
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intelligences that know how to go to the the utmost detail and
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incredible precision that it must take at a scientific level
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to essentially program that all into a bit of electrochemically
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responsive matter. That is.
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Comprised of the of DNA. Yeah, I mean, it's just, it's
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just so, so amazing. So I I think it's I, I would
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just say it's appropriate to praise the glory of God, Yeah.
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Right. To think that it was all
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accidental is beyond belief. But again, you know, as a
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footnote, I'll use this analogy simply because it's a simple
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one. You can't watch Rocky from the
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5th movie and then move backwards.
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You gotta watch it from the first movie, right?
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And in the first movie, that's where you learn in Papers 32
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about who the life carrier sons are and their missions in life.
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And there was a movie that was out a few years ago and I can't
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remember it was a Ridley Scott movie.
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You might recall it where. Prometheus, yeah.
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Prometheus and and I think it was my brother who reads the
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ranch book, he said. You know, they remind me of what
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life carriers might be. And I thought that's an
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interesting perspective. So, you know, but I I want to
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give thanks to the life Carrier's son who wrote that.
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And I actually before the show because I I I put it out there
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in a prayer that I was going to give homage to the life
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Carrier's son who helped to make all this possible.
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And I let it sit. I let it sit.
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And then before I decided to do the episode, I thought, well,
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who would be a good person? And your name popped into my
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head. So you know.
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Take Take that for what it's worth.
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But I'm. I think I called the right guy,
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so oh. Hey, I always love talking to
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you, Jim. We do have fun, yeah.
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Hey, let me ask you a question you're old enough to remember,
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and I want to maybe dedicate a few minutes to this because it's
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important The Jubilee of Jubilees is coming up.
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It's when we celebrate the not only the Day of Pentecost and
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the Spirit of Truth and the Master.
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Becoming a Sovereign Master and completing the mission of living
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life on our world. And then there's the subsequent
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event of the basically the marriage between the eternal
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pledge, the eternal pledge of equality from the Divine Spirit,
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the Mother Spirit, and the Creator Son.
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So, and they're gonna be celebrating on May 18th, which
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is when this momentous event, all these events converged into
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that one day. And I started thinking about the
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sorry plight of our world and what has happened in our world.
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And the only thing I can come to is that somewhere in the last
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100 years we forgot the importance of family.
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Because I'll put this out there. What do you think would happen
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to a local universe if a divine Mother spirit and a Creator Son
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were to get a divorce? How much confusion would there
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be in the universe? Because the Creator Son is the
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father, ultimately, of the descending orders of sons, the
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Melchizedeks, all the way down to us.
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And the Divine Minister is given sovereignty over all the
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spiritual agents, the Seraphim, the Supernaphim, all of the the
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offspring of the infinite Spirit.
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Could you imagine if there was a divorce and what that would do,
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and how it would destabilize an entire universe?
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And yet when I look around Joel, I see that the rise of divorce,
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the devalue of family, children not having, you know, young
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adults not having kids anymore, people not getting any.
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I think we're, I think we're experiencing first hand the
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chaos that comes when the family breaks down.
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Well, yeah. Sadly, Jim, I make the same
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observations And your question about what if there was a cosmic
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divorce between the creator's son and creative mother's
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spirit. Yeah, I mean that would just
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cause total pandemonium because they are the pattern for the
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complementarity of the masculine and feminine.
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And that certainly has implications for, you know,
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human marriage here, not just on this planet, but I'm sure on all
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other planets as well. So it's, it's an interesting
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question. I have a lot of confidence that
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such a breakup at the cosmic level is not going to happen.
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That's highly unlikely. And I think part of the reason
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for that is because if we look at what has gone awry in part
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from the the standpoint of of traditional culture here and and
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whether I well, I would say this well, I'm going to speak and
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share, share something in my own life here.
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So I was raised in a very devout Catholic family, and in
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Catholicism for a long time there have been marriage
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preparation courses where the engaged couple would go through
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what were called the Pre Cana courses and you know, Cana
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referring to the wedding feast of Cana.
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I don't really. Think about that.
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Yeah, I don't know if they call it that anymore.
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They might have a different name for it.
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But this was very practical in that the training imparted to
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the couple some really pertinent questions that the couple should
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consider as they look at the, you know, this life that they
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would be choosing to live together and and the raising and
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rearing of children that you know would be part of that
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union. And how do they support each
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other? What are the economics,
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realities of married life, social, religious, all these
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other aspects taken very, very seriously because of the serious
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nature of that commitment of of a man to a woman and reverse for
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for their spousal commitment. So and I will say just here in
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my own human experience, even though I was raised in the
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Catholic culture, I did not partake of that training.
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And I think as I look back on, you know, the marriage that that
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I entered which did not survive beyond five years, tragically it
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was very, very painful. It had consequences, you know,
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not just to me and I'm I'm sure for my ex-spouse, but for the
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children that are, you know, that came from that union.
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You know, it's been, I would say, going forward, it's been a
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continual process of trying to recover from the consequences of
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that breakup. And and of course, my own
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children were influenced by having the pattern for them.
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The models for them had this great dysfunction where they
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they, they couldn't, they couldn't keep it intact.
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And I think a lot of that is because, you know, I didn't
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engage in the training that had been available to me.
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I ignored it. There was wisdom there.
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Yeah, there was wisdom there. And I didn't partake of it.
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And I see now just looking at the culture more broadly, we see
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a whole generation or maybe even the last couple generations that
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have largely ignored this long long tradition and wisdom that
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has been available to prepare young people for the commitment
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and the roles and responsibilities, the the the
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progressing maturity that comes out of a committed relationship,
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specifically a marriage and the the awesome role of bringing
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children into the world and being stand up parents to to
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really take that responsibility seriously.
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These are incredibly maturing experiences and opportunities.
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And I I didn't. I certainly didn't get it right.
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Wish I had. If I could turn the clock back.
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But I do. I do.
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Think yeah I do think that we largely have shunted those
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training opportunities for letting couples know or or just
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kind of training young men and training young women in general
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about hey, you don't have to be fearful of making commitments
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because there's all kinds of grapefruit that comes out of
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that and nobody gets it perfect. But we shouldn't be afraid of
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that and and simply indulging in shallow relationships with a
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hook up culture or you know or this kind of recent trend of men
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shunning marriage because they think the man's going to get a
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raw deal if if the marriage results in in divorce and and
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and by the way I've got this this phone app where I can have
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gratuitous sex available to me pretty much any hour of any day.
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Why would I want to just be with one woman.
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You know, these are these are, sadly really, you know,
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degenerate new habits that are are really devastating to the
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whole concept of family and it is a sad reflection of the
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current, the current culture. Well, if.
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We can agree that family is the central nucleus and the
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foundation of a truly progressive society.
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Then we can also agree that one of the greatest gifts that the
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Urantia Book, and hence us as Urantia Book readers, that that
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that gives us exactly the template for the marriage and
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family institution. It tells us how we got here, the
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contribution that family makes to society.
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And I think we need to take, we all need to take a refresher
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course. And I think through the book,
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the Urantia book's greatest gift is, is the the, the ingredients
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that make up marriage and the commitment between 2 individuals
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and also the cosmic importance because we are given a divine
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privilege of life procreation. We are creating a life material
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energy mechanism designed by the life carrier sons on sphere #4IN
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Salvington, so that we could produce, you know, living beings
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who have soul potential and it can actually be connected to and
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are part of the family of God. And we need a refresher course
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and man, do we need it now. So yeah.
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I do. I do think that the Jubilee of
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Jubilees and the consideration of this cosmic marriage of a of
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our Creator Son and Creative Mother's Spirit, you know,
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undoubtedly they had such an intense and intimate
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preparedness for that eternal union.
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They totally understood all dimensions of the
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complementarity of the Son and the Daughter and now becoming
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parents to the beings of a local universe.
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They understood that on on very, very deep and rich levels that
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would result in an absolute commitment, no danger.
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It's stability. It's stability.
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The the the the Divine Daughter of the Infinite Spirit is
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stable. She provides the stability of
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the entire universe of of the creation of Michael, and it's
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that stability she's staying home.
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In other words, there is value in that stability to the child,
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to the children, to the organizational structure of the
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family, the cohesiveness. There's nothing wrong with it.
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There never was. And I think that may have been
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the lie. The lie of the modern age is
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that the mother was, would had the responsibility of preserving
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and caring generations forward. That role's so important and so
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easily cast aside now is nothing more than patriarchal
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oppression. And it's sickening, isn't?
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It isn't it interesting as well, Jim, that the the universal
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mother spirit, she essentially is the one who anchors the home.
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It even forms her spiritual presence, forms the very
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boundary which is called the local universe.
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Everything contained within her spiritual presence is indeed the
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local universe, and the creator's son goes out within
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that to basically take care of business, taking care of duty
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and all that. So there's that, that
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complementarity there is the the highest level of commitment and
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fidelity for the sake of a universal family.
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So it is something that can really inspire us on on deep
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levels and look toward that pattern of perfection.
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Not that our relationships are ever going to be perfect here,
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but to but to. Yeah.
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To reach for greater levels of of perfection, which any of us
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can do is reach, yeah. Well, listen, our time is up.
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Joel Garbin, always a pleasure and a real honor to catch up
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with you. And I appreciate you taking time
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out of your day and I hope that you have a good day of of of
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Jubilee of Jubilees And I look forward to our next
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conversation. And once again, I I want to say
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thank you and I appreciate you and the thousands of people who
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continue to follow and download these podcasts about the 5th
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epical revelation. And as always, you can reach me
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at your Rancho book radio@gmail.com and Brother Jim
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here and it's good to be with you.
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And thank you for sharing your time with us.