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S1E3 - Community Event in 2023 - Murder of Jody Kilgore · Luke's English Podcast

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Speaker 1: In this podcast, we discuss unsolved cases that may be
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Speaker 1: violent in nature in an effort to keep the cases
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Speaker 1: in the public eye and continue the stories of the victims.
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Speaker 1: Those who choose to or choose against participating are not
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Speaker 1: indicative of involvement in any crimes we discuss. Listener discretion
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Speaker 1: is advised. Welcome to episode three of Tragedy, a true
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Speaker 1: crime podcast.
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Speaker 2: I'm Elisa, I'm Michael.
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Speaker 1: In this podcast, we chronicle victims of unsolved crimes. This
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Speaker 1: series focuses on the unsolved homicide of Jody Kilgore, who
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Speaker 1: was murdered in broad daylight in Crawfordville, Florida, in his
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Speaker 1: own driveway. This year, twenty twenty five marks eleven years
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Speaker 1: since Jody was tragically taken from his family. In this episode,
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Speaker 1: we will summarize and discuss a live community event that
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Speaker 1: took place in twenty twenty three at the Palabar Tree
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Speaker 1: Theater in Crawfordville, Florida. And this live Facebook event was
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Speaker 1: graciously shared with us by Herb Donaldson, who is the
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Speaker 1: founder of the theater. So we're going to start with
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Speaker 1: a brief summary of this community event, and the full
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Speaker 1: Facebook live event is linked in the show. Notes, we
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Speaker 1: really encourage you to watch it. In the beginning, Gladys,
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Speaker 1: who if you will call what we call, is Jodie's mom,
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Speaker 1: and she speaks about her positive experience with law enforcement
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Speaker 1: and her recollections of a generous amount of community involvement
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Speaker 1: at the time of the yearly vigils. So I don't
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Speaker 1: know if we really discussed this really in depth, but
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Speaker 1: there are two vigils that are held there, launched by
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Speaker 1: Gladys's family.
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Speaker 2: And we have his birthday and then we have the
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Speaker 2: day of his death. Right, what are those days?
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Speaker 1: Yeah, he was worn on August fifteenth, and we know
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Speaker 1: that the homicide occurred on October sixth, So we're going
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Speaker 1: to talk a little bit more about those events near
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Speaker 1: the end. But Gladys just really has a good recollection
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Speaker 1: of the amount of people who attended the funeral. She
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Speaker 1: does say that anytime she goes into the Walcoali County
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Speaker 1: sheriff office, pretty much everyone drops what they're doing. You
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Speaker 1: did say that they talked to her. She feels very
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Speaker 1: welcomed at the Sheriff's office, and she felt, as hard
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Speaker 1: as this was for her, the community involvement at the
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Speaker 1: time of the homicide was real strong, and obviously that
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Speaker 1: helped her and the family. So following Gladys just speaking
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Speaker 1: about her experiences, Sheriff Miller and the current public information officer,
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Speaker 1: Detective Saracha joined Gladys on stage and they discussed the
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Speaker 1: case for almost twenty five minutes. When I first watched
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Speaker 1: the Facebook live and I saw Sheriff Miller and Detective
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Speaker 1: Siracha on this stage, I'm not going to lie to you,
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Speaker 1: I was a little surprised.
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Speaker 2: I wasn't too because our experience so far is all
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Speaker 2: we've gotten is the kind of the company line, so
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Speaker 2: to speak. This is an opening case. Can't discuss anything,
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Speaker 2: and that's what we've seen in reviews and even with
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Speaker 2: our calls, they have not returned to any of our calls yet,
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Speaker 2: so they're they're definitely not being very transparent here at
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Speaker 2: this time.
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Speaker 1: And we've watched several interviews that have taken place with
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Speaker 1: WCTV and then the local news in Tallahassee, and as
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Speaker 1: a general rule, what we hear anyone who's speaking up
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Speaker 1: for walkal A County Sheriff Office has been several several
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Speaker 1: detectives and officers, and they will say it's an active case, right,
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Speaker 1: we know we can't we can't really say anything about it.
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Speaker 1: So when I saw Sheriff Miller and Detective Siracha on stage,
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Speaker 1: I'm not I got pretty I got pretty interested. We're
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Speaker 1: not going to say everything, so please please go back
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Speaker 1: and watch that Facebook live. But let's discuss what they
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Speaker 1: did talk about, and maybe even more curious, what they
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Speaker 1: didn't talk about. So they kind of start off by
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Speaker 1: talking a bin the story we've heard and maybe you
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Speaker 1: want to talk about this about how maybe they could
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Speaker 1: have done a better job in the beginning.
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Speaker 2: There's been a lot of conversation. It seems like a
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Speaker 2: lot of people talk about They always bring up the
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Speaker 2: concept that the investigation was messed up at the beginning.
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Speaker 2: We hear about too many people in the scene. We
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Speaker 2: hear about evidence collection wasn't necessarily up to par. At
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Speaker 2: this point, you know, we're talking eleven years later. It's
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Speaker 2: time to stop talking about that. We get it, we
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Speaker 2: understand that there was problems. I think the community, I
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Speaker 2: know me personally and I think you as well, are
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Speaker 2: interested in what are we doing now, Like, what are
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Speaker 2: we doing as part as investigation is happening? Now, let's
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Speaker 2: move on from the mistakes that were made. Let's move
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Speaker 2: into what we can do to solve it. We'll talk
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Speaker 2: about this is more later. But the thing that jumped
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Speaker 2: out of me as well as Bill Pouhle is in
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Speaker 2: the audience for this, he says exactly the same thing,
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Speaker 2: and frankly, I could not have agreed with him more.
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Speaker 1: So let's talk about what the information they do give us.
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Speaker 2: Again.
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Speaker 1: This is where I got really excited. I was watching this,
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Speaker 1: listening to it on my own and you were working,
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Speaker 1: and I think I got up and I ran over
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Speaker 1: to here. I'm like, oh my gosh, wait until you
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Speaker 1: see what is in this. So here's what for us
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Speaker 1: is new. Detective Siracha did say that they collected over
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Speaker 1: two hundred items of evidence in twenty fourteen. He also
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Speaker 1: said that over three leads have been worked. He talks
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Speaker 1: briefly about the phone call, which we know is at
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Speaker 1: ten twenty one, and that Toby made the phone call.
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Speaker 1: What we learned here that I don't think I had
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Speaker 1: heard before is the behavior he said the phone call,
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Speaker 1: the nine one one call that Toby made. He was frantic.
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Speaker 1: That's the word he used. He said Toby was frantic
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Speaker 1: when he made the phone call. This I think is
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Speaker 1: kind of the move. We want to discuss. It's some theories.
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Speaker 1: So they very briefly, very briefly, just call out four theories,
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Speaker 1: and so I just want to say what they were.
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Speaker 1: They talked about the business partner. He didn't even talk
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Speaker 1: about it. They just said, we have some theories. Maybe
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Speaker 1: it's the business partner. Maybe the wife is involved, that's susan.
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Speaker 1: Maybe there was a hit man running around Crawfordville in
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Speaker 1: twenty fourteen.
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Speaker 2: Right if we even heard that one, Yeah, but that
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Speaker 2: was new to us.
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Speaker 1: And also the theory that I guess was part of
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Speaker 1: the leads that were called in was that he faked
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Speaker 1: his death.
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Speaker 2: That one was extremely new. If that's a that's a
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Speaker 2: term we can use. I think that one's we can
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Speaker 2: pretty much throw that one away. And honestly, they kind
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Speaker 2: of presented it as a more ridiculous theme on something
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Speaker 2: they weren't taking too seriously. What was interesting here, though,
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Speaker 2: is what they left out from our perspective, And we'll
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Speaker 2: get into it more a little bit later. But during
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Speaker 2: the different conversations we've had, both on the phone through email,
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Speaker 2: some of the comments we've seen in Facebook, it's hard
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Speaker 2: to get away from a drug connection, and so we
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Speaker 2: found well, I found it at least interesting that that's
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Speaker 2: not included in one of their theories. Now, either that
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Speaker 2: is by design and they're not wanting to indicate that's
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Speaker 2: one of their theories, or I think they're missing something
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Speaker 2: and that's and that's you know, we can argue that
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Speaker 2: they are the professional investigators. I'm not saying that's not true,
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Speaker 2: But eleven years into it, and we don't have a
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Speaker 2: theory around rugs considering nearly every person that we've interacted
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Speaker 2: with in some way has brought up some type of
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Speaker 2: drug connection. So where's that theory?
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Speaker 1: Yeah, that definitely falls in what wasn't said category for me.
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Speaker 2: Agreed.
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Speaker 1: Also, Detective Saracha just discusses at the time they used
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Speaker 1: location mapping search warrants a penis. There's been some conversation
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Speaker 1: about video footage which we have heard from several sources,
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Speaker 1: came from Toby's home security camera, call recordings, all those
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Speaker 1: kinds of things that he sort of ticked off as
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Speaker 1: things that they have been collecting throughout the investigation of
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Speaker 1: this case. Here's where it got most curious for me
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Speaker 1: is when we he started talking about biological evidence. Now
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Speaker 1: you referenced this when we talked to Robin and just
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Speaker 1: the condition of the crime scene.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean this is you know, this is a
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Speaker 2: crime scene that's going to have a lot of biological
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Speaker 2: you know, specifically for Jody to start with. And so
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Speaker 2: it was nice to hear about biological evidence. And he
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Speaker 2: did indicate that there has been biological sent to various
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Speaker 2: places for review a grant if we had no results,
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Speaker 2: which that's another problem, but it was good to see
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Speaker 2: that we definitely have something outside of Jody.
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Speaker 1: Yeah that you know. Obviously, this biological evidence originated with
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Speaker 1: Walcoala County Sheriff Office, right, this is their jurisdiction. They're
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Speaker 1: the first ones there. What we do learn from Detective
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Speaker 1: Saracha is that biological evidence was submitted to the Florida
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Speaker 1: Department of Law Enforcement. Additionally, some biological evidence has been
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Speaker 1: sent to the FBI lab for some analysis. Now we
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Speaker 1: don't specifically hear is it blood, is it are they
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Speaker 1: fringer prints? They really just say biological evidence also is
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Speaker 1: it's a relatively new organization and we also heard about
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Speaker 1: this from one of the reporters that we talked to.
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Speaker 1: It's called the Florida Cold Case Advisory and Detective Sirachia
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Speaker 1: I believe he's the actual person who took the case
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Speaker 1: all the way up to the Florida Cold Case Advisory
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Speaker 1: and they adopted the case. And what that means, according
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Speaker 1: to Detective Siracha, is that money was given.
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Speaker 2: Right.
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Speaker 1: So, the Florida Cold Case Advisory is made up of
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Speaker 1: medical examiners, coroners, members of the community, law enforcement from
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Speaker 1: around the state as well as other folks. And when
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Speaker 1: they adopt a case, then they also part of that
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Speaker 1: is giving money to the local jurisdiction that brought the
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Speaker 1: case up. So according to Detective Siracha, now there's this money, right,
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Speaker 1: all this money that can be used specifically for analyzing
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Speaker 1: the biological evidence. And I thought it was kind of
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Speaker 1: shocking to me that he said there was one private
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Speaker 1: lab that ran a piece of biological evidence and that
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Speaker 1: was eleven thousand dollars yep, just for that. He also
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Speaker 1: talked about and those of us who follow true crime,
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Speaker 1: we know about this. We know about sometimes a DNA
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Speaker 1: is held in a certain place while we wait for
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Speaker 1: technology right to catch up. And if you're a true
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Speaker 1: crime junkie like me, you do know that holding on
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Speaker 1: to biological evidence has solved cases. For example, probably the
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Speaker 1: biggest one is the Golden State killer. They used DNA
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Speaker 1: evidence and genetic genealogy to solve that case, like thirty
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Speaker 1: years after it they had happened.
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Speaker 2: And there's even an active case that we I think
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Speaker 2: everyone would know about. You know, if you're not, I'm
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Speaker 2: not sure where you've been where. That's also been discussed
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Speaker 2: as why certain things are you know, waiting, and that's
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Speaker 2: the job in a Ramsey case. You know, they've talked about,
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Speaker 2: you know, they have biological now in such small quantity
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Speaker 2: that they don't want to run certain tests because they
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Speaker 2: want to make sure that they get the results that
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Speaker 2: they believe they are looking for. And the technology is
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Speaker 2: adjusted enough or grown enough where that last test that
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Speaker 2: may have our opportunity to actually run would produce some
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Speaker 2: kind of kind of result.
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Speaker 1: So as we wrap up this, this is about twenty
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Speaker 1: five minutes where predominantly Detective Siracha is talking Herb, the
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Speaker 1: owner of the theater. He says, he asked them about
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Speaker 1: their theories. Do they have any theories? And Detective Siracha says,
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Speaker 1: you know, if I had a theory, you wouldn't know it,
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Speaker 1: you know, he doesn't want to put it out there
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Speaker 1: and skew the case, and Sheriff Miller says, my thoughts
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Speaker 1: have really evolved, and he said, quote it's more than
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Speaker 1: I thought, and that Sheriff Miller then said, we need
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Speaker 1: more evidence. And then that brings us to one thing
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Speaker 1: that really stood out to us in this Facebook live
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Speaker 1: that Detective Sarracha talked about with a particular piece of evidence.
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Speaker 1: Do you want to talk about that?
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Speaker 2: Yeah, he talked about a particular piece of evidence that
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Speaker 2: was something they sent off that didn't get any quote hits.
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Speaker 2: I believe what he called what do you referred to
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Speaker 2: it as? And we went back and forth about how
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Speaker 2: this you know, murder occurred, what we do know about it.
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Speaker 2: We can't imagine that being anything but the murder weapon,
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Speaker 2: which has never been released as far as we can tell.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, people have I've heard people say a particular weapon,
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Speaker 1: you know, but I don't know that I've ever seen
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Speaker 1: it written anywhere. I don't know that I've ever seen it.
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Speaker 1: So there are some theories about what the weapon is.
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Speaker 1: And he just called it a certain piece of evidence
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Speaker 1: that has been tested several times. And I think that's
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Speaker 1: another time where I stopped and I got up and
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Speaker 1: I was like, oh my gosh, you got to hear this,
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Speaker 1: because that really really stood out to me. Anything else
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Speaker 1: about that twenty five minutes section where law enforcement was leading.
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Speaker 2: I don't think so.
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Speaker 1: Okay, So what happens then is about and it ends
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Speaker 1: up being about twenty minutes, it's an open Q and
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Speaker 1: A from anyone who is in the crowd, And I'll
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Speaker 1: just say, you know, there were some people that we recognized,
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Speaker 1: and I even shouldn't use the word crowd. There was
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Speaker 1: maybe ten people there right getting back to we really
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Speaker 1: need the community to step up for Gladys. We saw
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Speaker 1: a couple uniformed officers. Of course, the folks at the stage,
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Speaker 1: Gladys Detective Saracha, Sheriff Miller, Herb. Robin is there. Robin
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Speaker 1: speaks d And remember please go back and listen to
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Speaker 1: episode two. We interviewed Robin. She's Jody's sister. But then,
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Speaker 1: and Michael's already mentioned it first hand. That goes up.
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Speaker 2: Dunt, dun, dun.
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Speaker 1: It's Bill Pool there. He is Billpool. And if you'll recall,
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Speaker 1: maybe you want to talk about who Bill Pool is.
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Speaker 2: I know, you talked, you hit on it a little
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Speaker 2: bit here. Yeah, Bill Pool, you know was you know,
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Speaker 2: he was part of the Sheriff's office to begin with.
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Speaker 2: But you know he's more significant in this case is
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Speaker 2: he became the private investigator that was hired by Gladys
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Speaker 2: and he did a bunch of investigation. Now, granted, you
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Speaker 2: have to scope this the right way when you start
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Speaker 2: thinking about his investigation, because he was the PI at
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Speaker 2: this point, he was pretty limited in what access that
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Speaker 2: he had. I do think they also made a reserve
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Speaker 2: officer for a while, but I don't remember that part.
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Speaker 2: But that's that's not important for this. And he did
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Speaker 2: come to a conclusion.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's right.
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Speaker 2: That's the most interesting part. He came to a conclusion.
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Speaker 2: And we know two things that conclusion. Number one, we
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Speaker 2: know that Robin doesn't agree with him.
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Speaker 1: Now, when you say conclusion, you mean a name, right,
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Speaker 1: a name.
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Speaker 2: Robin does not agree with that. She says that in
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Speaker 2: her interview with us. And number two, we know that
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Speaker 2: the state Attorney's office turned down the case because of
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Speaker 2: not enough evidence. So is that related to the investigation itself?
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Speaker 2: Is it related to the lack of evidence and lack
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Speaker 2: of accessibility. Bill pull had maybe possibly, So it's kind
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Speaker 2: of a dead end at that point until we have
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Speaker 2: more information. Now. The thing he does talk about in
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Speaker 2: this conversation is the fact, and again I said it
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Speaker 2: earlier in this conversation, I couldn't agree more. And that
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Speaker 2: is so much conversation or so much, you know, so
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Speaker 2: much of the topics that have been covered is about
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Speaker 2: how things were messed up. I could not agree more
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Speaker 2: with Bill on this one. We need to move on
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Speaker 2: with that at this point. It's I'm not going to
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Speaker 2: say it's not important. It is, but it's not relevant anymore.
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Speaker 2: Because we can't rewrite history. We have to move beyond it.
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Speaker 2: We have to get our investigators involved in the things
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Speaker 2: that we can do, not the things that we can't change.
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Speaker 2: So that's kind of the Bill pull saga. He speaks
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Speaker 2: for a while here. I recommend everyone listening to that segment.
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Speaker 2: He's very clear and concise with what he wants to do,
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Speaker 2: and he also is very complimentary. Once he gets past
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Speaker 2: let's stop talking about the past, he's very complimentary about
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Speaker 2: some of the steps that went forward from then on
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Speaker 2: and indicates that he even he feels that there's been
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Speaker 2: some good work done by the Sheriff's office.
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Speaker 1: This point yew phone taps, talks a little bit about
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Speaker 1: following leads, things of that nature. I think all of
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Speaker 1: that could be related to the decision he made of
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Speaker 1: the name that he took up to see if they
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Speaker 1: would file charges. So the Q and A concludes an herb,
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Speaker 1: he's the moderator, right. He goes back and he asks
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Speaker 1: law enforcement, what do we need to move this case forward?
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Speaker 1: What can the community do? They talk about two three
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Speaker 1: kind of overarching ideas. They talk about needing a credible witness.
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Speaker 1: We really need a credible witness, someone who will come forward.
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Speaker 1: They talk about leaning on the evidence. They said they
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Speaker 1: collected two hundred pieces of evidence. We know there's biological evidence. Obviously,
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Speaker 1: I think this ties into what happened with the name
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Speaker 1: that was taken up and that at that point in
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Speaker 1: time there wasn't enough evidence to lead to even filing
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Speaker 1: charges against that person. And then they talk about transparency, right,
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Speaker 1: and he Detective Siracha says, you know, we agree because
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Speaker 1: Bill is talking about transparency and we need to know
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Speaker 1: what's going on. And Detective Scha says, yep, transparency is
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Speaker 1: something that we need to do for the community.
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Speaker 2: Now, the transparency here is kind of interesting. Based on
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Speaker 2: our experience while we're creating this podcast, I actually don't
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Speaker 2: feel there's been a ton of transparency here at all.
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Speaker 2: I mean this, this particular event, this community event, was
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Speaker 2: in twenty twenty three, and we understand that her put
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Speaker 2: this together through personal relationships and things like that, which
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Speaker 2: is fantastic. So, but what's been said since then, little
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Speaker 2: to nothing. Even when reporters, you know, have gone up
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Speaker 2: to the Sheriff's office, they get basically, it's an active case,
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Speaker 2: we're not going to talk to you. The second thing
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Speaker 2: is we've made multiple calls to the sheriff's office, some
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Speaker 2: of which have included information that we've been able to
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Speaker 2: gather from some sources that we haven't found anywhere in
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Speaker 2: the public record, and not one person from the sheriff's
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Speaker 2: office has reached out to talk to us about that.
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Speaker 2: So there's two things here. They say transparency, they say
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Speaker 2: they follow up on every lead. That hasn't been our experience.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, agreed, it's been. It's been pretty frustrating. I think
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Speaker 1: it's been almost two months since we've attempted to open
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Speaker 1: communications with Walcoala County Sheriff Office. And that's why I
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Speaker 1: got so excited when we saw this, Right, I do
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Speaker 1: want to circle back to Gladys and this idea of
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Speaker 1: community involvement something I think that is very important. And
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Speaker 1: Detective Saracha did call out as he said he's been
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Speaker 1: through every file. He said there was a little bit
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Speaker 1: of a frustrations let the where he used, but files
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Speaker 1: were all over the place when he first took this case,
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Speaker 1: and so once he was able to pull everything together,
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Speaker 1: he said, he's read every file and there isn't one
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Speaker 1: bad thing that's said about Jody in any file.
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Speaker 2: He's ever compelling, yes, yeah, and anything.
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Speaker 1: And that really bring us back to I can tell
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Speaker 1: from reading some of the Facebook pages where we post
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Speaker 1: the podcast. Thank you those of you who are listened
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Speaker 1: to the podcast. Everyone loves Gladys and people are very
21:13
Speaker 1: motivated to do what they can to move this case
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Speaker 1: forward so that there is a resolution for Gladys. No
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Speaker 1: one's ever said a bad thing about Gladys. They talk
21:24
Speaker 1: about her all the time and how wonderful Gladys is.
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Speaker 1: So we just want to make sure that we circle
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Speaker 1: back that this is for us, This is really about
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Speaker 1: Jodie's family, Gladys and Robin and those who have been
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Speaker 1: willing to speak with us.
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Speaker 2: As the community event started to close, something really interesting
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Speaker 2: happened that was kind of unexpected and out of context,
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Speaker 2: but I think it kind of shows some of the
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Speaker 2: underlying frustration or rift between the two different sides of
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Speaker 2: the Kilgore family.
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Speaker 1: Gladys talks about and again making a plea for increased
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Speaker 1: community attendance, which was the theme that we heard throughout
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Speaker 1: the community event, and she discusses the large amount of
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Speaker 1: people who attended Jody's funeral in twenty fourteen, and she
22:32
Speaker 1: references the guest book and she says, you know, the
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Speaker 1: guest book was full, you'd see all the names, and
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Speaker 1: law enforcement then says, I'm almost positive. Detective Siracha, yeah.
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Speaker 2: They he even said that, you know, we'd love the
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Speaker 2: guest book and we'll reach out to every one of
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Speaker 2: these names to bring more community awareness to these various
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Speaker 2: events that are put on to keep Jody's murder in
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Speaker 2: the public eye.
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Speaker 1: Right so law enforcement is saying, hey, let us do
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Speaker 1: our part, let us reach out to everybody, and Gladys says, well,
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Speaker 1: you know, Susan Jody's widow. Susan has the guest book,
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Speaker 1: and this really points to what you had just said.
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Speaker 1: This there, we're seeing a growing rift. It's becoming apparent
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Speaker 1: to us that there is something happening between these two families. Right,
23:19
Speaker 1: Susan's holding the guest book, and Gladys would love to
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Speaker 1: have those people checked out, not checked out, but invite
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Speaker 1: them to community events, reconnect with those people. But Susan's
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Speaker 1: got the book. And Gladys goes on then to say
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Speaker 1: that at one point Susan accused her of being involved
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Speaker 1: in Jody's murder, and you can hear someone in the
23:44
Speaker 1: crowd go, hey, oh yeah, and I think I might
23:47
Speaker 1: have two.
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Speaker 2: I was like, gosh, that all that shocked me as well.
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Speaker 2: So I'm not I'm not surprised that happened.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, we're getting to a close and this, this is
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Speaker 1: this is what happened at the end, and then there's
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Speaker 1: there's even more, you know, if that's not shocking enough.
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Speaker 1: Then glad goes on to say that she had called
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Speaker 1: Susan and she had invited her to this community event
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Speaker 1: because you know what we see presence at the community event.
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Speaker 1: As I had mentioned earlier, we have some folks. We
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Speaker 1: have Robin, right, Jody's sister. We have Gladys, Jody's mom.
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Speaker 1: There are some other people in the audience. Oh, I
24:18
Speaker 1: think Cindy was there, the other sister, right, she was there.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, we don't say our camera, but I feel like
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Speaker 2: she's referred to.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that's rights Jody's sister. So, but there's
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Speaker 1: nobody like Susan or any of that kind of family.
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Speaker 1: But according to Gladys, she did reach out to Susan
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Speaker 1: and she called her and she invited her to this
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Speaker 1: community event, and Susan's response, according to Gladys, was quote,
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Speaker 1: just what are you trying to do? And I mean,
24:45
Speaker 1: I don't even know. I think I had to take
24:47
Speaker 1: a moment of pause, like I wrote it down to
24:49
Speaker 1: make sure and listen to it several times. You know,
24:54
Speaker 1: we don't we don't really know what that means, but
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Speaker 1: it's definitely something that resonated with us and Robbin's interview too.
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Speaker 2: The big thing for me is this is already tragic
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Speaker 2: enough for this family. I wonder how much of the
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Speaker 2: disagreements between these two different sides of the family are
25:14
Speaker 2: contributing to this murder not being resolved. Yeah, yeah, I.
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Speaker 1: Think you're right. So that was the end of the
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Speaker 1: community event. Again, it's linked in the show notes. Please
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Speaker 1: take a moment to watch.
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Speaker 2: All of it.
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Speaker 1: You may see or hear something that means more to
25:30
Speaker 1: you than it than it means to us. But we
25:32
Speaker 1: do have a couple of called actions. We have a
25:35
Speaker 1: call to action from law enforcement.
25:39
Speaker 2: You want to talk about it, Yeah, we just need that,
25:40
Speaker 2: we need more transparency. This family needs to be updated more.
25:44
Speaker 2: There needs to be more updates in general. No, this
25:47
Speaker 2: is the only unsolved murder in Walkeala County. Now, I'm
25:50
Speaker 2: not saying that Walkala County is not taking that serious.
25:52
Speaker 2: So I think that they are. But I think that,
25:56
Speaker 2: you know, there's a lot of opportunity here to get
25:59
Speaker 2: this in the public eye more and get more people
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Speaker 2: involved and create some additional that Well, I'll say this way,
26:06
Speaker 2: that transparency also creates the environment of people feel more compelled,
26:13
Speaker 2: two are more comfortable to come forward, and so I
26:16
Speaker 2: think that that really needs to be considered.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, And the other call to action is for the community.
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Speaker 1: And we heard Gladys you say please people come, please
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Speaker 1: come to the vigils.
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Speaker 2: We know it.
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Speaker 1: It's August fifteenth, it's October sixth. Please stay active in
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Speaker 1: those Facebook groups. There are several Facebook groups specific to
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Speaker 1: the Wallcolla area. Thank you so much those of you
26:39
Speaker 1: who are sharing the podcast episodes, commenting, reaching out to
26:43
Speaker 1: us via our email or via messenger, and if you'd
26:48
Speaker 1: like more information about those vigils, the October sixth one
26:51
Speaker 1: is predominantly always seems to be at the courthouse right
26:55
Speaker 1: there in Crawfordville. The August fifteenth, which is which is
26:58
Speaker 1: Jody's birthday, That one's seen to vary. You can find
27:01
Speaker 1: a lot more information about those two vigils by joining
27:04
Speaker 1: the Help Us Solve the Murder of Our Brother George
27:08
Speaker 1: Joseph Kilgore Facebook group. Despite extensive investigations by the Walcolla
27:29
Speaker 1: County Sheriff's Office and the Florida Department of Law Enforcement,
27:33
Speaker 1: no arrests have been made and the case remains unsolved.
27:37
Speaker 1: It is the only unsolved homicide in Walcolla County. Authorities
27:41
Speaker 1: continue to seek information from the public to help solve
27:44
Speaker 1: the case. The Kilgore family has been vocal in their
27:47
Speaker 1: pursuit of justice, keeping the case in the public eye
27:51
Speaker 1: and urging anyone with information to come forward. The Florida
27:55
Speaker 1: Department of Law Enforcement has also shared appeals for assistance
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Speaker 1: on social media, emphasizing the importance of community involvement in
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Speaker 1: resolving this case. If you have any information related to
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Speaker 1: George Jody Kilgore's murder, please contact the Waucolla County Sheriff Office,
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Speaker 1: the Florida Department of Law Enforcement Big Bend Crime Stoppers
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Speaker 1: at eight five zero five seven four eight four seven seven,
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Speaker 1: or you can email us at who Killed George Kilgore
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Speaker 1: at gmail dot com.