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The Shadow Plot Against Uncle Sam | Episode 394 · V

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Speaker 1: Everybody, great to see you on a Wednesday. As always,
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Speaker 1: thanks for being with me. The best audience anywhere. We
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Speaker 1: have a mighty show ahead. Is there a color revolution brewing?
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Speaker 1: Is the left trying to orchestrate a hostile takeover of
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Speaker 1: the country under the guise of, quote, protecting democracy? Well,
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Speaker 1: of course, they're kind of always doing that, but I've
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Speaker 1: got updates on that subject as we explore some of
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Speaker 1: the breaking news that we started going over yesterday. We'll
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Speaker 1: take a deeper dive into it today. Very troublesome signs,
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Speaker 1: but we can overcome them. Light, sunlight is the best disinfectant.
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Speaker 1: We're going to pour a lot of sunlight on this today.
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Speaker 1: That's coming up on the program. Also, an epic interview
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Speaker 1: ahead for you. We are joined for the first time
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Speaker 1: by Colin McDonald. He is the Assistant Attorney General for
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Speaker 1: Fraud Enforcement at the United States Department of Justice.
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Speaker 2: That's right.
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Speaker 1: The man whose job it is to lead the attack
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Speaker 1: on all of the fraudsters, the defense of our nation,
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Speaker 1: Colin McDonald joins us for an exclusive interview coming up
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Speaker 1: today on this program.
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Speaker 2: Can't wait to do that. That's ahead. And a lot more,
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Speaker 2: a lot.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, looking forward to it.
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Speaker 4: Yeah.
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Speaker 5: Interview threads.
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Speaker 2: Yes, we got the interview threads on today.
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Speaker 1: the United States. Perhaps I should dress for the occasion.
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Speaker 1: So we've got that coming up on the show and
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Speaker 1: a lot more. But I want to start with some
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Speaker 1: breaking news news. Right now, before I get into the
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Speaker 1: deep state effort to, you know, organize a seditious conspiracy
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Speaker 1: against the United States, I've got Russia releasing an American
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Speaker 1: hostage by the name of Stephen Hubbard this morning. This
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Speaker 1: is breaking news. It just came out in the last
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Speaker 1: hour or so. And here's the New York Times. An
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Speaker 1: American has been released. Steve Witkoff thanking Vladimir Putin for
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Speaker 1: doing that. And the New York Times, of course, revolves around, oh,
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Speaker 1: they're praising Putin. I don't care at all. I'm glad
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Speaker 1: that we got our guy out. That's what the Trump
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Speaker 1: administration just did. Witkoff thanking the Russian leader in St.
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Speaker 1: Petersburg today for releasing an American who was held for
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Speaker 1: years on what the State Department properly called fabricated charges.
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Speaker 1: This involved a 74-year-old man, 74 years old, by the
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Speaker 1: name of Stephen James Hubbard. He's returning to the United States.
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Speaker 1: The CliffsNotes version of this is in his world travels,
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Speaker 1: he ends up finally marrying a woman in Ukraine and
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Speaker 1: then settles down there. And the Russians go into Ukraine,
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Speaker 1: find this American man, and then they take him into
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Speaker 1: custody a couple years ago. And then they pretend like
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Speaker 1: he's some sort of mercenary for the Ukrainians. And apparently,
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Speaker 1: according to his own text messages with his family, he
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Speaker 1: had no idea that some of the elements of the
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Speaker 1: war were even going on.
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Speaker 2: He was just kind of living his life. The Russians
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Speaker 2: take him into custody. They've held him.
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Speaker 1: They put him inside an awful prison camp for years.
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Speaker 1: President Trump finally getting this man free, which is wonderful,
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Speaker 1: wonderful news to start off on a Wednesday.
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Speaker 2: That this has occurred.
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Speaker 1: Here's the president telling us about it this morning on
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Speaker 1: Truth Social. He says, Stephen Hubbard, who was taken four
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Speaker 1: years ago by Russia during the Biden administration, was just
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Speaker 1: released from prison at the request of President Trump, made
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Speaker 1: directly to President Vladimir Putin in a telephone conversation last week.
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Speaker 1: Stephen is now on his way back home. He will
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Speaker 1: soon be with his family. The United States, out of
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Speaker 1: respect for President Trump, was not required to give anything
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Speaker 1: in return. There was no swap here. An unprecedented situation
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Speaker 1: for Russia. This major return should have taken place long
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Speaker 1: ago through the Biden administration, which got nowhere in its
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Speaker 1: negotiations with the Kremlin. Stephen is on his way back home.
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Speaker 1: Welcome home, Stephen. It's great to have you back, stated
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Speaker 1: President Trump. One more element here, and then we've got
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Speaker 1: some other news to get to.
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Speaker 2: But the president does point out that.
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Speaker 1: One of the things he's been up to is been
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Speaker 1: negotiating with the Russians and in terms of taking some
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Speaker 1: of the sanctions pressure off of them. He's really trying
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Speaker 1: to bring an end to the Russia-Ukraine war. He's disgusted
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Speaker 1: by all of the bloodshed, all of the death, and
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Speaker 1: he'd like for that war to conclude, all that needless death.
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Speaker 1: But he points to the fact that his negotiations with
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Speaker 1: the Russians were also leveraged for getting Americans like Stephen
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Speaker 1: out of the country. And he says numerous people, he
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Speaker 1: wrote this morning, who requested that sanctions be immediately imposed
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Speaker 1: on Russia have called to apologize. to President Trump in
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Speaker 1: that they didn't know that he was negotiating the release
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Speaker 1: of Stephen Hubbard, a truly big and important deal for
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Speaker 1: the United States. If sanctions would have been in place,
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Speaker 1: certainly those negotiations would have come to a complete and
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Speaker 1: total halt. This is a great post for one huge reason.
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Speaker 1: This is the thing I say all the time.
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Speaker 2: Let them cook. Let him cook.
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Speaker 1: Sometimes when the president makes an action, you're like a
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Speaker 1: little confused by it.
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Speaker 2: You're like, what is this about? Why is he doing this?
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Speaker 1: This doesn't make sense to me. Well, sometimes you and
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Speaker 1: I just don't have the whole picture yet. That this
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Speaker 1: is a part of the president's never-ending quest for leverage.
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Speaker 1: How often have we talked about that? He's always engaged
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Speaker 1: in a never-ending quest for leverage. When he declares that
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Speaker 1: he wants to make Greenland a part of the United States,
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Speaker 1: that's it.
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Speaker 2: We're taking Greenland.
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Speaker 1: And then over the course of months is able to
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Speaker 1: negotiate a deal where we now have security control over Greenland,
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Speaker 1: but we don't have to absorb their tax base onto us.
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Speaker 1: We don't have to pay for all the services, the
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Speaker 1: social services, the infrastructure of Greenland. He negotiated the best
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Speaker 1: possible deal. That's the best deal because they're inside of
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Speaker 1: our sphere of security control now. And we don't have
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Speaker 1: to take on the expenses of Greenland.
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Speaker 2: That's an amazing deal.
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Speaker 1: But it started with the president making the maximalist ask.
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Speaker 1: He came in, said, we're going to take over Greenland.
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Speaker 1: The whole world panics. He negotiates to the best possible outcome.
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Speaker 1: It's the never ending quest for leverage. So as always,
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Speaker 1: let the man cook. And he just laid that out
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Speaker 1: once again this morning. He's like, hey, now you look
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Speaker 1: back on it and you're like, oh, that's what he
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Speaker 1: was doing. Yeah, we just got our boy out. We
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Speaker 1: got him home flying into Texas as we speak. where
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Speaker 1: he will be attended to by the best doctors on Earth.
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Speaker 2: They're going to take a look at him.
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Speaker 1: Apparently, he's had some medical struggles, as you might imagine,
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Speaker 1: in this prison colony in Russia. So we get him back,
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Speaker 1: and hopefully they can heal him up and make him right.
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Speaker 2: That'd be good. That'd be very good.
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Speaker 1: All right, let's dive into some of the news today. Yes,
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Speaker 1: the art of the deal. That's exactly right, Smith.
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Speaker 2: You're right about that.
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Speaker 1: Let's get into some of the news today about the
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Speaker 1: plot against the Trump administration, against the American voter. the
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Speaker 1: seditious conspiracy that we have seen playing out in this
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Speaker 1: audio that Data Republican has been sharing to the internet.
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Speaker 1: We've got basically the short version of this is that
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Speaker 1: when President Trump defunded USAID, when Secretary Marco Rubio defunded
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Speaker 1: USAID and absorbed what was left of it, this little
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Speaker 1: tiny piece of it, back into the United States State Department,
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Speaker 1: when that occurred, The effect of that was to.
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Speaker 2: Basically get rid of.
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Speaker 1: An election interference operation that was happening using your taxpayer dollars.
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Speaker 1: The left for many years has been using USAID as
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Speaker 1: a way to launder tax money into organizations whose goal
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Speaker 1: is to advance kind of the George Soros theory of
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Speaker 1: the universe, to tear down borders, to undermine sovereignty, to
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Speaker 1: remake countries in whatever globalist interest they can possibly do.
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Speaker 1: And as a result, when the Trump administration arrives for
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Speaker 1: the second go around, they look at this and they're like,
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Speaker 1: what are we doing? Stop funding all of this destructive nonsense.
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Speaker 1: So they stripped the funding. They fired a lot of people.
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Speaker 1: But the institutions that were receiving that funding are absolutely
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Speaker 1: furious about their status of being cut off. And the
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Speaker 1: left is still trying to animate a constellation of NGOs
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Speaker 1: into orchestrating color revolutions. They call them color revolutions, not
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Speaker 1: just internationally, but right here at home.
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Speaker 2: Right here at home.
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Speaker 1: In fact, this morning, there's a wonderful piece from a
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Speaker 1: guy called Cynical Publius, which is called The Color Revolution
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Speaker 1: in Our Midst. And it takes a look at kind
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Speaker 1: of what is going on and what Data Republican is
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Speaker 1: revealing this week. And Cynical Publius writes that America is
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Speaker 1: currently in the midst of a color revolution, which is
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Speaker 1: designed to overthrow our constitutional form of government. And Cynical
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Speaker 1: Publius says that the only way to stop this is awareness,
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Speaker 1: is awareness. So let's just, as he recommends, start with
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Speaker 1: the audio that we shared with you yesterday. We'll go
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Speaker 1: through some of this. I want you to hear this again.
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Speaker 1: I think this is super important for us to frame
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Speaker 1: a show around because you've got all these libs who
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Speaker 1: are trying to coordinate a seditious conspiracy to declare the
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Speaker 1: Trump administration illegitimate and then to subsequently replace it with
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Speaker 1: their own institutions led by governors like Greasy Gavin Newsom
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Speaker 1: and Jelly Belly Pritzker in Illinois.
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Speaker 2: Take a listen. Here's the conversation. This happened just a
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Speaker 2: few weeks ago.
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Speaker 1: Cut to, here's what was captured.
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Speaker 6: There's also the path, and John, I think we'll talk
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Speaker 6: a little bit more about this, is that we end
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Speaker 6: up in a very acute legitimacy crisis sometime in the
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Speaker 6: next few months or the next few years where literally
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Speaker 6: our federal government becomes illegitimate.
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Speaker 7: And in that moment, I believe, and what we know
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Speaker 7: from experiences around the world is that we can take
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Speaker 7: that breakdown moment and leverage it for a big structural reform,
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Speaker 7: you know, refounding moment.
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Speaker 4: I wanted to just say that the United Democracy Alliance,
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Speaker 4: which is a huge coalition of the blocking movement, the
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Speaker 4: people that are doing all the lawsuits and the civil
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Speaker 4: resistance and the non-cooperation, they are all organizing and converging
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Speaker 4: under the banner of what's called the United Democracy Alliance.
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Speaker 4: And they have developed a set of red lines that
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Speaker 4: are now being refined in terms of indicators and metrics.
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Speaker 4: And they're working on creating a situation room so that
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Speaker 4: as we go into the midterm election, they're going to
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Speaker 4: be able to provide real-time updates, real-time information to the
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Speaker 4: movement of movements so that we can respond, you know,
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Speaker 4: to whatever might unfold. either in 26 or when we
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Speaker 4: go into the 28 elections as well, which people think
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Speaker 4: will be even worse than whatever we're going to have
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Speaker 4: to deal with now. So these folks are organizing. It's
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Speaker 4: being led under the organization called the National Security Leaders
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Speaker 4: of America. It's 1,600 retired cross-partisan military intelligence diplomats, ambassadors
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Speaker 4: that are all you know, working on protecting our democracy.
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Speaker 4: These are pro-democracy leaders that are leading all this work
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Speaker 4: that we are now connected to. I know, Ro, you're connected.
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Speaker 4: Danielle and I are connected. And others are connected for
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Speaker 4: that work. So what I think RAD is offering uniquely
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Speaker 4: is this space around the constitutional legitimacy moment and like
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Speaker 4: what are the ways that we can respond. The memo
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Speaker 4: that Danielle or I will put up in the chat
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Speaker 4: is an options memo that we created for governors. Because
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Speaker 4: if the federal government seemed to be illegitimate by whatever
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Speaker 4: crossing of whatever red lines, and everyone agrees to that,
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Speaker 4: then the governors become the leading governing authority under the
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Speaker 4: current republic framework of our constitution. So this memo was
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Speaker 4: designed for them. We've gotten into governors safeguarding democracy, and
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Speaker 4: they're reviewing it and considering it We also have done
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Speaker 4: direct outreach to try to get it to governors in Wisconsin, Utah,
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Speaker 4: and Washington State.
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Speaker 8: I had previously been able to get it, while we're
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Speaker 8: in the safe space here, to the governors of Massachusetts, California,
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Speaker 8: and Illinois.
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Speaker 5: Massachusetts didn't want to touch it.
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Speaker 8: California and Illinois both were interested in getting involved if
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Speaker 8: someone else would take the lead on it. To make
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Speaker 8: that a credible statement, governors and other leaders would need
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Speaker 8: to start making plans now for what functions of government
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Speaker 8: they would have to assume, how they would coordinate with
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Speaker 8: each other, how they would make outreach to foreign governments,
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Speaker 8: and all the other things they would have to do
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Speaker 8: to basically wall off these illegitimate individuals and keep on
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Speaker 8: trying to run the country, or at least parts of
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Speaker 8: the country, in the absence of a functioning federal government.
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Speaker 8: And I really want to emphasize, this is not a
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Speaker 8: concept for a secession. No one is talking about leaving
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Speaker 8: the United States.
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Speaker 1: No, it's a concept for a hostile takeover of the country.
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Speaker 1: We're not talking about leaving. We're talking about seizing the power.
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Speaker 1: We're talking about a coup. We're talking about a seditious conspiracy.
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Speaker 2: So what you just heard, of.
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Speaker 1: Course, may not shock you, but it certainly should appall
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Speaker 1: you because these are the conversations that are happening right now.
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Speaker 1: They did not intend for this to be public. Apparently,
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Speaker 1: that conversation was left on an unlisted YouTube link. It
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Speaker 1: was for their benefit so they could go back and
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Speaker 1: take a look at it. They could share it with
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Speaker 1: their comrades. And yet the world has now found out
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Speaker 1: about it, and we are dwelling on it because we're
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Speaker 1: deeply concerned about what kind of designs they have for
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Speaker 1: our country. Those people are talking about overthrowing the will
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Speaker 1: of the American people. The duly elected president of the
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Speaker 1: United States, who's done nothing but adhere to the law.
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Speaker 2: And the Constitution.
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Speaker 1: The president has worked overtime to uphold the Constitution in
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Speaker 1: the face of so many attacks on it by the left.
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Speaker 2: And so, you know, you have.
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Speaker 1: These groups of people, these NGOs with these names about
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Speaker 1: how they're like for democracy, constantly trying to undermine the
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Speaker 1: power of the people. And you may have heard them say, hey,
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Speaker 1: when they get to the point where the federal government
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Speaker 1: is illegitimate, then we can step in and take over. Okay, well,
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Speaker 1: what do you, first of all, what do they even
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Speaker 1: mean by the federal government? The executive branch would be illegitimate.
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Speaker 2: Well, I'm glad you asked. Data Republican has shared this.
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Speaker 2: Take a look.
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Speaker 1: This is five elements, and I want to go through
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Speaker 1: them with you, that they say would render the Trump
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Speaker 1: administration and the executive branch to be illegitimate in our system.
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Speaker 2: Here's what they write.
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Speaker 1: A federal government will cross the threshold into illegitimacy when
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Speaker 1: one or more of the following conditions obtain as determined
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Speaker 1: under the standards set out below. One, elections are manipulated
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Speaker 1: or suppressed. or their results overturned outside the processes prescribed
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Speaker 1: by law, such that the composition of government no longer
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Speaker 1: reflects the certified will of the electorate. Now, you may
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Speaker 1: look at this and you're like, well, wait a second,
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Speaker 1: hold on. I'm concerned about election integrity. This is why
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Speaker 1: I'm so insistent that I want the Save America Act.
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Speaker 2: So when they write that they're concerned about.
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Speaker 1: Elections being manipulated or suppressed, what you're looking at is
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Speaker 1: Orwellian newspeak.
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Speaker 2: You are looking at an inversion of the truth here.
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Speaker 1: And this gets to something that I've played a lot
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Speaker 1: of clips for you of lefties with these deranged claims
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Speaker 1: that President Trump himself is attempting to rig the midterms.
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Speaker 2: How's he trying to rig the midterms?
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Speaker 1: They make this claim by saying that, you know, if
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Speaker 1: he's trying to kick non-citizens off the voter rolls, that's
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Speaker 1: an election rigging operation. This very week, as you've got
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Speaker 1: the Trump administration trying to get California to prevent 20,000
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Speaker 1: non-citizens at least from interfering in California's elections, Greasy Gavin Newsom,
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Speaker 1: who apparently is in some way a part of this scheme,
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Speaker 1: has responded by saying that Donald Trump is trying to
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Speaker 1: suppress Californians, trying to rig the vote in California.
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Speaker 2: You see what's happening here? This is a PSYOP.
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Speaker 1: There's an attempt to try and convince the public that
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Speaker 1: by pursuing election integrity, President Trump is actually rigging the
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Speaker 1: election and thus is an illegitimate leader that needs to
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Speaker 1: be deposed. You see what point one is trying to accomplish? Yes,
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Speaker 1: it's projection. Thank you, Data Martian.
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Speaker 2: Exactly right. Here's point two.
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Speaker 1: They say the government would be rendered illegitimate if, quote,
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Speaker 1: a sitting executive continues to exercise the powers of the
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Speaker 1: office after the constitutional end of the term or takes
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Speaker 1: actions designed to prevent a lawfully elected successor from assuming power.
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Speaker 2: A lawfully elected successor.
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Speaker 1: So in this framework, what they're saying is, let's say
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Speaker 1: one of these libs.
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Speaker 2: Says that they won.
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Speaker 1: The election, and there's lots of evidence that it was
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Speaker 1: actually a rigged process. The non-citizens were the reason that
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Speaker 1: they're attempting to claim power now in the United States
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Speaker 1: of America.
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Speaker 2: If the executive branch.
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Speaker 1: files any sort of petition about this and says, wait
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Speaker 1: a second, hold on. That person was not legitimately elected.
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Speaker 2: This was a rigged operation. The left is going to
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Speaker 2: take it as gospel. Yes, they were rigged. Excuse me.
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Speaker 1: Yes, they were elected legitimately. They're a Democrat. And the
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Speaker 1: fact that you're objecting at all, the fact that you
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Speaker 1: raise any objections to the way an election is conducted,
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Speaker 1: you are illegitimate. It's the same thing they did in 2020.
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Speaker 1: When President Trump was filing in court over and over
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Speaker 1: and over again, appeals that the 2020 election get a
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Speaker 1: closer look, the left was accusing him of some sort
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Speaker 1: of conspiracy to steal the election. He was using his
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Speaker 1: legal means in order to challenge the way the election
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Speaker 1: was conducted entirely within his rights.
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Speaker 2: He was demonized for that.
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Speaker 1: Point three, they say a legislature that's been populated through
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Speaker 1: manipulated elections.
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Speaker 2: This gets back to the same point I was just making.
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Speaker 1: Intimidation or the exclusion of members holding certificates of election
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Speaker 1: issued under state law makes its acts expressions of captured,
19:49
Speaker 1: rather than representative power. Again, all of this is entirely
19:53
Speaker 1: up to who gets to decide. And in this framework,
19:57
Speaker 1: these lefties are like, we do. We decide which elections
20:00
Speaker 1: are legitimate, which ones are illegitimate. If we say they're
20:02
Speaker 1: legitimate and you object, then you're illegitimate. And we can
20:06
Speaker 1: unseat you and take the powers of the presidency away.
20:10
Speaker 1: Point four, the executive defies final orders of the courts
20:13
Speaker 1: or removes, arrests, or intimidates judges to the point where
20:17
Speaker 1: the judiciary can no longer serve as an independent check. Now, again,
20:22
Speaker 1: this is conspiracy theorizing by the left, all designed to
20:26
Speaker 1: try and condition the public into believing that President Trump
20:28
Speaker 1: is somehow lawless. President Trump is constantly following the orders
20:32
Speaker 1: of the courts, including when they're deranged. He's adhering to
20:37
Speaker 1: the system because he's trying to uphold the rule of law,
20:39
Speaker 1: even when the rule of law is failing the American people,
20:42
Speaker 1: when it's not living up to its obligations. And finally,
20:46
Speaker 1: they say the executive branch deploys the military, the Federalized
20:51
Speaker 1: National Guard, federal law enforcement, or paramilitary forces against voters,
20:55
Speaker 1: election officials, political opponents, the press, or peaceful assembly. I
20:59
Speaker 1: love how peaceful assembly is on the list, but it's
21:01
Speaker 1: not included with the others. In ways that make democratic
21:04
Speaker 1: participation impossible. Now, this last one is so interesting because
21:12
Speaker 1: we've seen this before. Let me give you a really
21:15
Speaker 1: basic example. If the Trump administration deploys ICE agents in
21:20
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21:22
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Speaker 2: That's entirely lawful. That's what ICE is supposed to be doing.
21:27
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21:29
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21:31
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21:33
Speaker 1: But if they do that, the left's position these days
21:38
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21:42
Speaker 1: the Nazis if you're rounding up illegals and getting them
21:45
Speaker 1: the hell out of the country. If you're thwarting the invasion,
21:48
Speaker 1: you're the bad guy. So lefties take to the streets
21:51
Speaker 1: and they begin smashing windows, burning down buildings, acting like
21:54
Speaker 1: complete lunatics, attacking law enforcement, diving in front of the cars, on.
21:59
Speaker 2: And on and on.
22:01
Speaker 1: If the Trump administration at any point decides to send
22:05
Speaker 1: in backup to help law enforcement and say, okay, get
22:08
Speaker 1: the lunatics out of the way so ICE can do
22:09
Speaker 1: his job, the left is using that as an indicator
22:14
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22:16
Speaker 2: Look at this.
22:17
Speaker 1: They're attacking their political opponents. This is always the way
22:22
Speaker 1: it's structured. Always.
22:24
Speaker 2: And we've seen it over and over the last few years.
22:26
Speaker 1: The media never bothered to tell you the predicate to
22:29
Speaker 1: any of this. Illegal aliens in our country, of course
22:31
Speaker 1: you're sending ICE agents after them. They never tell you
22:34
Speaker 1: the predicate to that.
22:35
Speaker 2: And then they cast ICE as being the instigators.
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Speaker 9: Oh, look at this.
22:39
Speaker 1: ICE started it just by going in. No, illegals started
22:43
Speaker 1: it by invading with the help of Democrats. That's actually
22:46
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22:48
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22:53
Speaker 1: is all this intellectual effort. They're trying to dress it
22:56
Speaker 1: up in fancy language to justify a seditious conspiracy against
23:00
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23:02
Speaker 2: That's what we're seeing. And this will get back.
23:05
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23:07
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23:11
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23:16
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23:18
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Speaker 1: So the color revolution in America. I want to get
24:53
Speaker 1: back to cynical Publius now because this is a very
24:56
Speaker 1: big deal. He says we've got a color revolution in
24:58
Speaker 1: our midst right now, and he encourages us, hey, listen
25:01
Speaker 1: to that audio that we just listened to.
25:02
Speaker 2: Thank you. We just did that. And he goes, all right,
25:05
Speaker 2: so what is a color revolution? What is that?
25:08
Speaker 1: And he's got the definition here. He pulls it from Wikipedia,
25:10
Speaker 1: but we'll accept it as a good one. Color revolutions
25:13
Speaker 1: are a series of often nonviolent protests and accompanying attempted
25:16
Speaker 1: or successful changes of government and society taking place in
25:20
Speaker 1: post-Soviet states, particularly Georgia, Ukraine, and Kyrgyzstan, and the former
25:25
Speaker 1: Yugoslavia during the 21st century. The aim of the color
25:28
Speaker 1: revolutions is to establish Western-style democracies. They were primarily triggered
25:33
Speaker 1: by election results that were widely viewed as falsified. The
25:37
Speaker 1: color revolutions are marked by the use of the internet
25:39
Speaker 1: as a method of communication, as well as a strong
25:43
Speaker 1: role of non-governmental organizations in the protests. So he goes
25:48
Speaker 1: on to write that the USAID and the CIA were
25:50
Speaker 1: actively involved in a number of these color revolutions, where
25:54
Speaker 1: they go in and they impose a change in government
25:57
Speaker 1: by conditioning the public to accept the way that the
26:01
Speaker 1: USAID and CIA is changing the government. Although, of course,
26:04
Speaker 1: they're not taking active credit. They're trying to keep their
26:07
Speaker 1: fingerprints off of it. The bulldozer revolution, 2000 in Serbia.
26:13
Speaker 1: In Georgia, the Rose Revolution in 2003. In Ukraine, there's
26:16
Speaker 1: a bunch of these. There's the Orange Revolution in 2004
26:18
Speaker 1: to 2005. Kyrgyzstan, you've got the Tulip Revolution in 2005. Lebanon,
26:21
Speaker 1: the Cedar Revolution in 2005. Belarus, the Jeans Revolution in 2006. Ukraine, again,
26:24
Speaker 1: the Revolution of Dignity or the Maidan Revolution, 2013, 2014.
26:26
Speaker 1: And then Armenia, the Velvet Revolution, 2018. Now, these are
26:40
Speaker 1: the only ones we know about publicly, and there's also
26:43
Speaker 1: suspicions that the United States had governmental actions that were
26:46
Speaker 1: heavily involved in the Arab Spring from 2010 to 2012. Now,
26:50
Speaker 1: he goes on to say that basically the way this
26:53
Speaker 1: is done is through a series of NGOs, like the
26:56
Speaker 1: National Endowment for Democracy, the National Democratic Institute, the International
27:01
Speaker 1: Republican Institute, Freedom House, George Soros' Open Society Network, this
27:07
Speaker 1: constellation of NGOs that that are involved in these attempts
27:12
Speaker 1: to change governments all around planet Earth.
27:16
Speaker 2: And you can see where this is going.
27:18
Speaker 1: Now with President Trump defunding USAID, this color revolution is
27:23
Speaker 1: attempting to go after America.
27:25
Speaker 2: These weapons are being trained on our country.
27:30
Speaker 1: It takes funding. There's left-wing dark money flowing in. It
27:34
Speaker 1: takes training. So that's what you're listening to is they're
27:36
Speaker 1: training the people who are involved in all of this.
27:39
Speaker 1: It takes narrative manipulation to to allege that, you know,
27:43
Speaker 1: President Trump is rigging the elections here in America. So therefore,
27:48
Speaker 1: it justifies this kind of takeover of our country to, quote, unquote,
27:52
Speaker 1: save democracy.
27:55
Speaker 2: It takes an electoral trigger, he writes.
27:59
Speaker 1: So they deploy these so-called independent election monitors. Pay attention
28:03
Speaker 1: to this. This is really, this is provocative, man. This
28:06
Speaker 1: will make you think. They deploy, quote, independent election monitors.
28:10
Speaker 1: They create fake pre-election polling and fake exit polling and
28:17
Speaker 1: rapidly publicize perceived irregularities to create a clear trigger for
28:23
Speaker 1: mass protests. Fake pre-election polling. Let me dwell on this
28:28
Speaker 1: for a second. You know, we're leading up to the midterms.
28:31
Speaker 2: We're 13 days away. If the polling is way off,
28:38
Speaker 2: as it might be, we've seen it now.
28:39
Speaker 1: Even in 2026 already, we've seen dramatic polling, quote, errors,
28:44
Speaker 1: where the polling is way off. Michigan, they thought El
28:46
Speaker 1: Sayed was going to win by over 10 points. He
28:48
Speaker 1: wins by a fraction of a point. That was in
28:49
Speaker 1: the primary phase. What's going to happen in the general election?
28:52
Speaker 1: If the polling is leading the public into believing that
28:55
Speaker 1: a certain conclusion is destiny, the Democrats are going to
28:59
Speaker 1: take over everything. They are destined right now to take
29:02
Speaker 1: over the House. They're going to take over the Senate.
29:04
Speaker 1: The midterms are a fait accompli. Here comes the big
29:06
Speaker 1: blue wave. If the public is conditioned to believe that
29:10
Speaker 1: and then it doesn't come to pass, that's a bewildering
29:14
Speaker 1: moment for somebody who's not paying as much attention as
29:16
Speaker 1: you are.
29:17
Speaker 2: Like, wait a second.
29:18
Speaker 1: I was told that the left was going to win everything.
29:21
Speaker 1: And then it doesn't happen. In fact, what if Republicans
29:24
Speaker 1: pick up seats in the process? You see what's developing.
29:30
Speaker 1: This provides the left a pretext to claim that the
29:35
Speaker 1: results of the midterms are illegitimate. Republicans retain control of
29:41
Speaker 1: one or both houses?
29:42
Speaker 2: They grew their numbers?
29:44
Speaker 1: Illegitimate result. This is the result of a rigged election.
29:47
Speaker 1: President Trump meddled with the Postal Service. President Trump meddled
29:51
Speaker 1: in California. President Trump prevented voters from being able to
29:54
Speaker 1: go to the polls. Whatever claim they want to make,
29:58
Speaker 1: can be bolstered by the narrative that they've been working
30:01
Speaker 1: on building that this is all going to.
30:04
Speaker 2: Be a big blue wave. Do you see what I'm
30:08
Speaker 2: getting at here? There's a way to... Yes, that's right.
30:12
Speaker 1: There's a way to manipulate the useful idiots, which is
30:15
Speaker 1: to condition them into believing a certain outcome is guaranteed
30:19
Speaker 1: to happen. And when it doesn't, the only way that
30:21
Speaker 1: could possibly be is through a rigging. Be on guard
30:25
Speaker 1: for this. I'm telling you, this is... Whole thing that
30:29
Speaker 1: we're going through right now is very important. Mike Lee
30:33
Speaker 1: has described the audio that I just played for you
30:36
Speaker 1: as unbelievably frightening, unbelievably frightening audio. He says it's not
30:41
Speaker 1: every day that you stumble across a recording in which U.S.
30:45
Speaker 1: citizens discuss plans to declare the federal government illegitimate.
30:49
Speaker 2: He's alarmed by a bunch of it.
30:51
Speaker 1: Including, quote, if the federal government is deemed to be illegitimate,
30:54
Speaker 1: then the governors become the leading governing authority under the
30:56
Speaker 1: current republic framework of our Constitution.
30:59
Speaker 2: And then he quotes them again when they say.
31:01
Speaker 1: I really want to emphasize this is not a concept
31:03
Speaker 1: for secession. No one's talking about leaving the United States.
31:06
Speaker 1: Mike Lee says, of course, they're not talking about leaving
31:08
Speaker 1: the United States. They're talking about a planned transfer of
31:11
Speaker 1: governing authority outside of the constitutional process, replacing the authority
31:15
Speaker 1: of the federal government with governors and outside networks.
31:18
Speaker 2: I hope this turns out to be a deep fake,
31:19
Speaker 2: he says.
31:20
Speaker 3: It's not.
31:20
Speaker 10: It's real.
31:21
Speaker 1: Or a bad practical joke, because if it's real, it's
31:24
Speaker 1: unbelievably frightening. Either way, it's a good reminder to vote
31:27
Speaker 1: carefully in November. One more element for you, and then
31:31
Speaker 1: we've got some other things we have to get to.
31:32
Speaker 1: We've got to get the frog. We've got to get
31:33
Speaker 1: to Colin McDonald. The role of trying to convince the
31:38
Speaker 1: military to disobey the president of the United States. Remember
31:44
Speaker 1: Alyssa Slotkin, who we were going after yesterday, appropriately so,
31:48
Speaker 1: for trying to demonize the MAGA agenda so much that
31:53
Speaker 1: young conservatives don't join the government anymore coming out of college.
31:57
Speaker 1: That was her stated position. She's now trying to walk
31:59
Speaker 1: back from it, pretending like she was saying something virtuous.
32:02
Speaker 1: Alyssa Slotkin last year was a part of what we,
32:06
Speaker 1: of course, refer to as the Seditious Six. Those were
32:09
Speaker 1: the Democrats who all got together and started telling members
32:13
Speaker 1: of the military that they need to be on.
32:15
Speaker 2: Guard for unlawful orders from.
32:17
Speaker 1: The President of the United States. They need to start
32:19
Speaker 1: getting ready to disobey the President. That was a conditioning exercise.
32:24
Speaker 1: They were trying to condition members of the military to
32:27
Speaker 1: engage in violations of their oath, violations of their obligations.
32:33
Speaker 2: And there's no unlawful orders coming through.
32:35
Speaker 1: It's just lawful constitutional orders coming from the President, the
32:38
Speaker 1: Secretary of War, and the chain of command. That was,
32:42
Speaker 1: once again, a manipulation effort. And when you look at
32:47
Speaker 1: this seditious conspiracy, it includes these so-called 1,600 military veterans
32:54
Speaker 1: and national security veterans and all these other things who
32:57
Speaker 1: are going on saying that we need to safeguard democracy
33:00
Speaker 1: by declaring the Trump administration to be illegitimate and then
33:03
Speaker 1: hand over, this is outside of the Constitution entirely, hand
33:06
Speaker 1: over control of the country to Gavin Newsom You can
33:10
Speaker 1: see the problem.
33:11
Speaker 2: What you have is people who took.
33:13
Speaker 1: An oath to the Constitution and to uphold it and
33:16
Speaker 1: to fight for it, who are now betraying that oath
33:20
Speaker 1: and wearing their prior service as some sort of shield
33:24
Speaker 1: to scrutiny. They're saying, well, I was in the military,
33:27
Speaker 1: and so therefore you have to trust me on this.
33:30
Speaker 11: No.
33:31
Speaker 1: In fact, this makes you even more evil. You are
33:34
Speaker 1: straight up violating an oath that you actively took. and
33:38
Speaker 1: participating in something very dangerous against the United States.
33:41
Speaker 2: And you should stop while you're ahead. You should quit now.
33:46
Speaker 1: Knock that crap off. Again, the public awareness on this,
33:50
Speaker 1: that's one of the biggest things. Put some sunlight on this.
33:52
Speaker 1: We need to disinfect it, and we need to do
33:54
Speaker 1: it rapidly, very, very rapidly. Meanwhile, in the United States,
34:00
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34:03
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34:04
Speaker 1: Yesterday at the White House, the President of the United
34:06
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36:41
Speaker 1: President of the United States yesterday announced a massive reward
36:45
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36:51
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36:53
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36:56
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37:00
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37:03
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37:19
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37:23
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37:28
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37:31
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37:33
Speaker 2: He calls them J.D. and the Untouchables. I love this.
37:36
Speaker 2: Cut four.
37:36
Speaker 12: Watch.
37:38
Speaker 9: J.D.
37:38
Speaker 11: And the Untouchables behind me.
37:42
Speaker 12: They've done an incredible job.
37:44
Speaker 11: They've sought out and found tremendous amounts of fraud in
37:49
Speaker 11: various states. And it's nothing by comparison to what they're
37:54
Speaker 11: looking at. They have things happening that are seriously big numbers,
37:57
Speaker 11: but we're going to be offering incentives to people for
38:00
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38:03
Speaker 11: just want to say that from.
38:05
Speaker 12: Day one of my administration, we've waged an unprecedented war
38:09
Speaker 12: on corruption and fraud and will not let our country
38:13
Speaker 12: be looted and plundered by thieves and pirates and foreign
38:18
Speaker 12: fraudsters and basically scum.
38:21
Speaker 1: Yeah, basically scum. We've gone after a lot of scum.
38:24
Speaker 1: That's good news. You can see in the room there
38:26
Speaker 1: a series of.
38:28
Speaker 2: Great guys, the Untouchables. I love that.
38:30
Speaker 1: We had the vice president of the United States, J.D.
38:33
Speaker 2: Vance there, Andrew Ferguson, the head of the FTC.
38:36
Speaker 1: He's also the co-chair of the anti-fraud task force alongside.
38:40
Speaker 1: the vice president. You've got Stephen Miller in the room.
38:43
Speaker 1: You've got Colin McDonald, who's coming up.
38:45
Speaker 2: On our program. And then you have Nick Shirley.
38:47
Speaker 1: Nick Shirley's in the room as well.
38:49
Speaker 2: I love that. He's a part of the Untouchables today.
38:51
Speaker 2: That's pretty cool. Here's J.D.
38:53
Speaker 1: Vance, the vice president, talking about how they thought all
38:55
Speaker 1: of this up, this reward program and going after these fraudsters.
38:59
Speaker 2: Cut five, the vice president.
39:01
Speaker 3: Just to give people some background there, I actually came
39:04
Speaker 3: out of a conversation that I was having with the
39:06
Speaker 3: president We were talking about the scale of fraud and
39:09
Speaker 3: we're talking about ideas for how to enlist our fellow
39:12
Speaker 3: citizens to help us do the work of fighting the fraud.
39:15
Speaker 3: And the president said, well, do a commission, do an
39:17
Speaker 3: incentive program, actually reward people when they help save the country,
39:21
Speaker 3: but also save the American taxpayer a lot of money.
39:24
Speaker 3: Then they should get to share in the benefits that
39:26
Speaker 3: they've created. And I think it's an incredible testament to
39:29
Speaker 3: the president. direct involvement in this entire program, which brings
39:33
Speaker 3: me to my second point.
39:34
Speaker 9: A lot of people have asked me, why is.
39:36
Speaker 3: The President's directive, why is the President's involvement in this
39:39
Speaker 3: so important? And I think Andrew Ferguson and I have
39:42
Speaker 3: learned day to day that without actual coordination across the
39:46
Speaker 3: various arms of government, This work would.
39:48
Speaker 9: Not be possible.
39:49
Speaker 12: All right.
39:50
Speaker 2: Thank you. Thank you, Vice President. Great remarks there.
39:53
Speaker 1: And I love I do love some people in the
39:55
Speaker 1: chat are noticing that President Trump is calling the untouchables.
39:58
Speaker 1: You know, the untouchables, the movie came out in the
40:00
Speaker 1: late 80s, was about getting a group of police officers
40:05
Speaker 1: together who could not be corrupted.
40:07
Speaker 2: That was the goal.
40:07
Speaker 1: They created a task force of police officers who could
40:10
Speaker 1: not be corrupted, could not be bought off by the mob.
40:13
Speaker 2: And they're going after Al Capone, Al Capone played by
40:15
Speaker 2: Robert De Niro.
40:16
Speaker 1: De Niro, the bad guy in the film as the
40:19
Speaker 1: Untouchables chase him down.
40:20
Speaker 2: I love that.
40:21
Speaker 1: I think it's the funniest thing ever. And of course,
40:23
Speaker 1: President Trump would use that as a reference. A man
40:25
Speaker 1: who came up in that era would be very familiar
40:28
Speaker 1: with the movie, calling his boys the Untouchables, the task
40:32
Speaker 1: force that can't be corrupted, who is going after the
40:34
Speaker 1: bad guys like Robert De Niro. One more for you
40:39
Speaker 1: from this, and then we'll get to our great interview.
40:42
Speaker 1: with Colin McDonald. First, Nick Shirley, speaking from the Oval
40:46
Speaker 1: Office yesterday.
40:46
Speaker 2: Cut six.
40:47
Speaker 10: Watch. It's such an honor to be here. And I
40:49
Speaker 10: want people to think about what is happening right now.
40:51
Speaker 9: Very cool place. Very cool place.
40:53
Speaker 10: The Oval Office. Me, as a 24-year-old, I went out
40:56
Speaker 10: and exposed the fraud. I just was concerned about the
40:58
Speaker 10: well-being of our tax dollars. And right now, I'm standing
41:01
Speaker 10: next to the President of the United States, as now,
41:03
Speaker 10: people who expose fraud There's never been an incentive for
41:06
Speaker 10: anyone to ever expose fraud. In fact, when I exposed fraud,
41:09
Speaker 10: instead of the mainstream media investigating the fraud, they investigated me.
41:14
Speaker 9: And people actually, in fact, wanted to kill me after
41:16
Speaker 9: I exposed the fraud. Because there's actually never- Were you
41:19
Speaker 9: surprised by that, Nick? I was very surprised. They went
41:23
Speaker 9: after you instead of the fraudster. They called the Learing Center.
41:26
Speaker 9: I'm not surprised. And asked the Learing Center if they
41:28
Speaker 9: were committing fraud. That was the extent of their reporting.
41:31
Speaker 10: And but now finally, people have an incentive to actually
41:34
Speaker 10: go out, expose fraud.
41:36
Speaker 9: And when you expose fraud, you help save America.
41:38
Speaker 10: People understand that these fraudsters take from the poor needy
41:42
Speaker 10: who actually need the services that we all work hard
41:45
Speaker 10: to pay for.
41:46
Speaker 9: And we take that and they then buy Mercedes.
41:50
Speaker 2: That's it. That's it.
41:52
Speaker 5: There he is.
41:53
Speaker 1: Thank you for the to the president of the United
41:56
Speaker 1: States and appreciate him for assembling that group. They were
42:00
Speaker 1: raiding New York yesterday, by the way, all these so-called
42:03
Speaker 1: adult daycare centers as this was going on. Big raids
42:06
Speaker 1: in New York City against these guys. Just wonderful, wonderful stuff.
42:12
Speaker 1: So now let's find out more about it with the
42:14
Speaker 1: assistant attorney general. Joining me now, the assistant attorney general
42:19
Speaker 1: that heads the fraud division now under the Trump administration,
42:23
Speaker 1: Colin McDonald is here.
42:24
Speaker 2: Colin, Mr.
42:25
Speaker 1: Assistant Attorney General, rather.
42:26
Speaker 2: Thank you so much. Appreciate you joining me today, sir.
42:29
Speaker 4: Thanks, Vince.
42:30
Speaker 5: Happy to join you.
42:31
Speaker 1: Tell me about, in the time you've been in office,
42:35
Speaker 1: what have you achieved?
42:38
Speaker 10: Well, I was sworn in on April the 1st. The
42:41
Speaker 10: National Fraud Enforcement Division was created on April the 7th.
42:45
Speaker 10: That's about 196 days ago. In those 196 days, the
42:47
Speaker 10: DOJ has announced over 1,000 major fraud enforcement actions across
42:49
Speaker 10: the country. that extends to an array of different federal
42:59
Speaker 10: benefit programs, including the SNAP program, including HUD programs, including
43:05
Speaker 10: Medicaid and Medicare programs, including a Social Security takedown a
43:11
Speaker 10: couple of weeks ago, including the first ever nationwide tax
43:16
Speaker 10: fraud surge this last week that reached $ 490 million in
43:21
Speaker 10: intended loss to the taxpayer. This includes a healthcare fraud
43:25
Speaker 10: takedown in June that involved multiple billions of dollars of
43:31
Speaker 10: intended loss to the taxpayer and involved schemes that really
43:36
Speaker 10: emphasize that this fraud work is not just focused on
43:39
Speaker 10: paperwork crime, but is unfocused on schemes that really harm
43:44
Speaker 10: patients and harm the American taxpayer.
43:48
Speaker 5: So that's a little.
43:48
Speaker 10: Bit of what we've been up to with initiatives across
43:52
Speaker 10: the country seeking to not just put dents into the
43:57
Speaker 10: fraud problem, but ultimately to eliminate it entirely.
44:00
Speaker 1: It's a lot of fraud and so much money that
44:02
Speaker 1: you guys have been chasing down and recovering.
44:05
Speaker 2: How daunting is it?
44:06
Speaker 1: I mean, when you look at the to-do list, how
44:09
Speaker 1: big is it? How many fraud cases are sitting in
44:11
Speaker 1: front of you that you still have to tackle?
44:14
Speaker 10: So, yeah, the problem is massive. I'd point you to
44:17
Speaker 10: two GAO studies. One of them estimated that the fraud
44:22
Speaker 10: on taxpayer-funded programs is up to about $ 521 billion annually.
44:24
Speaker 10: And a second GAO study that found up to $ 306
44:27
Speaker 10: billion annually in tax fraud. So you put those two
44:31
Speaker 10: categories together, and that's upwards of $ 800 billion annually. in
44:42
Speaker 10: fraud on the taxpayer every single year. The Department of Justice,
44:48
Speaker 10: which has about 110,000 employees, we could pay for the
44:53
Speaker 10: Department of Justice 13 times over for all of our operations,
44:58
Speaker 10: all of our 110,000 people with the money that goes
45:01
Speaker 10: to fraudsters every single year.
45:03
Speaker 5: So the problem is massive. We have a large number.
45:08
Speaker 10: We have thousands of investigations across the board, throughout the department.
45:12
Speaker 5: Throughout the U.S.
45:13
Speaker 10: Attorney Network and in the Fraud Division that, again, we
45:16
Speaker 10: just launched about 195 days ago. We've got a huge
45:21
Speaker 10: number of cases that we're focusing on working with the interagency,
45:25
Speaker 10: working with law enforcement, working with the offices of inspectors
45:29
Speaker 10: general to ensure that we are bringing the tools of.
45:34
Speaker 5: Justice to bear on the fraudsters that are out there.
45:36
Speaker 1: You know, in Washington, they usually measure things over decades.
45:39
Speaker 1: So I'll use that here as a way to measure this.
45:41
Speaker 1: That's $ 8 trillion every decade of money that's being stolen
45:45
Speaker 1: from the American taxpayers. In a world with $ 40 trillion
45:48
Speaker 1: in debt, that would go a long way towards paying
45:50
Speaker 1: that down, wouldn't it?
45:53
Speaker 5: Yeah, it would go a long way.
45:54
Speaker 10: And then the president has decided that we're going to
45:57
Speaker 10: stare this hard problem straight in the eyes, and we're
46:00
Speaker 10: going to try to tackle it.
46:02
Speaker 5: We're not going to run away from it.
46:03
Speaker 10: It would be very easy to do something easier, right,
46:06
Speaker 10: to not tackle the hard thing. But the president and
46:09
Speaker 10: the vice president, that's not their style. They want to
46:11
Speaker 10: accomplish the hard thing as good public servants to do
46:15
Speaker 10: the work for the American people. So that's what we're
46:18
Speaker 10: going to do.
46:19
Speaker 2: Who's committing all this fraud?
46:21
Speaker 1: We see a range of people that you bring in
46:23
Speaker 1: that are in mugshots. Some of them are immigrants, people
46:26
Speaker 1: who have broken into our country, others who came in
46:29
Speaker 1: legally and then committed frauds against the American people. And then,
46:32
Speaker 1: of course, there's American citizens who do this too. What's
46:34
Speaker 1: the typical suspect look like right now?
46:38
Speaker 10: So they kind of run the spectrum. These are people
46:42
Speaker 10: who want to make easy money the easiest of ways.
46:46
Speaker 10: They see the American federal benefit program as the softest
46:50
Speaker 10: target for fraud. We do see illegal aliens. We do
46:53
Speaker 10: see lawful permanent residents who have entered into the United
46:58
Speaker 10: States and then, for instance, steal the identity of an
47:02
Speaker 10: American to then enroll in SNAP benefits. And then once
47:06
Speaker 10: they've received a benefit from USDA, the SNAP benefit, that
47:10
Speaker 10: is a passport of sorts to other benefit programs that
47:16
Speaker 10: the taxpayer funds. So we really see targets across the
47:22
Speaker 10: map in terms of citizens, non-citizens, lawful permanent residents, illegal aliens.
47:28
Speaker 10: We also see people who are perpetrating these fraud schemes
47:32
Speaker 10: never having touched the soil of the United States of America.
47:36
Speaker 10: You have international scam centers set up in places like
47:40
Speaker 10: Cambodia and Laos and in the Middle East that are
47:44
Speaker 10: devoted 24-7 to ripping off Americans. both with respect to
47:49
Speaker 10: taxpayer funded programs and also our elderly and most vulnerable.
47:53
Speaker 10: These are huge industrialized complexes of people who are in
47:59
Speaker 10: a room and they are scamming Americans day after day,
48:02
Speaker 10: week after week. And if they have a 1% hit rate,
48:06
Speaker 10: it's a good business model. And so that's really who
48:09
Speaker 10: we're fighting is A lot of times, nameless, faceless shadows
48:16
Speaker 10: from scam centers far, far away who are intent on
48:20
Speaker 10: stealing our money.
48:21
Speaker 1: Can you stop them? That kind of situation, is it possible?
48:25
Speaker 10: So, we're doing everything that we can, working with the FBI,
48:28
Speaker 10: working with our international partners to identify these places and
48:31
Speaker 10: take them offline. Director Patel has done a fantastic job
48:36
Speaker 10: in making inroads on this issue.
48:38
Speaker 5: We also have U.S.
48:41
Speaker 10: Attorney Jeanine Pirro, who has done extensive work seeking to
48:45
Speaker 10: take down these scam centers. And so there's a variety
48:49
Speaker 10: of different approaches that can be brought to bear. We
48:52
Speaker 10: have worked very hard to extradite fraudsters from foreign land
48:56
Speaker 10: to the United States because the only thing worse than
48:59
Speaker 10: stealing the money of America is stealing the money of
49:02
Speaker 10: America and then running away to a foreign country to
49:06
Speaker 10: spend money your ill-gotten gains outside of our reach. But
49:10
Speaker 10: no one is outside of our reach. We are working
49:12
Speaker 10: with our international partners and the FBI to bring the
49:15
Speaker 10: fraudsters back to shut down the scam centers and protect Americans.
49:20
Speaker 1: One of the big questions I always get whenever you
49:22
Speaker 1: announce one of these fraud busts is, OK, glad we
49:25
Speaker 1: got that guy in custody. But can we get the
49:27
Speaker 1: money back? What does it take to recover money? And
49:32
Speaker 1: tell us about the efforts that the federal government undertakes
49:34
Speaker 1: to do that.
49:36
Speaker 10: Yeah, so Congress has given us tools to be able
49:39
Speaker 10: to recover ill-gotten gains and fraud proceeds. So there's a
49:45
Speaker 10: practical answer to this and there's the legal answer to this.
49:47
Speaker 5: The legal answer is.
49:48
Speaker 10: That we have those tools codified in Title 18 that
49:52
Speaker 10: allows us to seize property and then to forfeit property.
49:55
Speaker 10: And so the court at sentencing, you will oftentimes see
49:59
Speaker 10: the custodial sentence, say it's 35 months custody, you will
50:02
Speaker 10: also see a restitution order and or a forfeiture order
50:07
Speaker 10: that is commensurate to the fraud scheme participated in. Then
50:11
Speaker 10: comes the collection, which is, is there any money actually
50:15
Speaker 10: left to go get? And money dissipates. When it's spent,
50:20
Speaker 10: it can be gone. So that's one of the needs
50:23
Speaker 10: to be very forward-leaning in trying to identify assets that
50:28
Speaker 10: these fraudsters have. So what we have done in the
50:30
Speaker 10: fraud division, is we have built into our division from
50:35
Speaker 10: day one an asset forfeiture and asset recovery team that
50:39
Speaker 10: is integrated with our trial attorneys to be able to
50:42
Speaker 10: identify assets and then do take the steps necessary to
50:47
Speaker 10: be able to find them and then get a court
50:50
Speaker 10: order that.
50:50
Speaker 5: Gives us access to those fraud proceeds.
50:53
Speaker 10: Whether it is a, let's say it's an apartment complex
50:57
Speaker 10: funded by fraud proceeds or a single family home funded
51:00
Speaker 10: by fraud proceeds, or a Mercedes or a Lamborghini or
51:04
Speaker 10: whatever was purchased on the back of this fraud scheme,
51:10
Speaker 10: we can reach those items and we can claw them back.
51:13
Speaker 10: An example of this is just yesterday in Minnesota, our
51:20
Speaker 10: team from the Fraud Division and teamed up with the
51:23
Speaker 10: US Attorney's Office in Minnesota, we filed a civil forfeiture
51:27
Speaker 10: complaint seeking to forfeit about half a city block of
51:32
Speaker 10: property that is traced to the ill gotten gains of
51:37
Speaker 10: certain fraud actors in Minnesota. These were funds that were
51:41
Speaker 10: supposed to go to feed needy children. We have traced
51:45
Speaker 10: those funds directly to the purchase of this property. And
51:50
Speaker 10: we are bringing the full toolbox of tools that Congress
51:54
Speaker 10: has given us by filing the civil forfeiture complaint yesterday
51:58
Speaker 10: in Minnesota seeking to claw back that property and win
52:02
Speaker 10: it back for the American people.
52:04
Speaker 1: My goodness. Were these Somali suspects in Minnesota?
52:09
Speaker 10: So I don't have the names of the individuals in
52:11
Speaker 10: front of me. This was not a criminal charge. This
52:15
Speaker 10: is a civil forfeiture complaint. So the forfeiture complaint is
52:18
Speaker 10: against the property itself. That is the object of the
52:23
Speaker 10: conspiracy and of the complaint. But as you've seen out
52:28
Speaker 10: of the cases in Minnesota, there has been a range
52:32
Speaker 10: of different actors from the Somali community who has engaged
52:36
Speaker 10: in this fraud, including the Feeding Our Futures case and others.
52:42
Speaker 10: And those are cases actually in the last about 104 days,
52:46
Speaker 10: there has been a combined total of 550 months imprisonment
52:51
Speaker 10: given to fraudsters in 12 different sentencing hearings in the
52:56
Speaker 10: state of Minnesota. in federal court, 550 months of combined
53:00
Speaker 10: sentences given out to 12 fraudsters in Minnesota.
53:06
Speaker 2: Okay, so that brings me to another question. Government officials.
53:09
Speaker 1: Now, I don't know if this is in your purview,
53:10
Speaker 1: you can tell me, but if you figure out that
53:13
Speaker 1: government officials are enabling this kind of fraud by virtue
53:16
Speaker 1: of their office, they're aware this fraud's being conducted, they're
53:19
Speaker 1: allowing it to happen, does this fall under your jurisdiction
53:22
Speaker 1: as the head of the fraud division?
53:25
Speaker 5: Yeah, so it does.
53:27
Speaker 10: If we find that there is anyone, any actor, whether
53:31
Speaker 10: you're public, private, government official, non-government official, if you have
53:35
Speaker 10: joined a conspiracy to defraud the United States and you
53:40
Speaker 10: have teamed up with someone else to concoct that fraud
53:45
Speaker 10: scheme or consummate that fraud scheme, then you're just like
53:49
Speaker 10: any other target that we would have that we would
53:52
Speaker 10: look to investigate and prosecute.
53:54
Speaker 5: Our goal... is to unearth all of.
53:57
Speaker 10: The facts in any investigation presented to us, and then
54:00
Speaker 10: apply the law and identify the full range of criminal
54:04
Speaker 10: actors within the chain of criminal culpability, and to charge
54:07
Speaker 10: all of them, and to charge no one outside that
54:11
Speaker 10: chain of culpability, and to rightly divide between those who
54:16
Speaker 10: are criminally culpable and those who are not. So I
54:18
Speaker 10: don't see it as much in terms of whether you're
54:21
Speaker 10: a state actor or non-state actor. Are you a criminal
54:23
Speaker 10: conspirator to the object of the offense, which is to
54:27
Speaker 10: defraud the United States. If yes, it doesn't matter who
54:30
Speaker 10: you are, it doesn't matter what your title is, if
54:33
Speaker 10: you are a participant in that conspiracy, then you are
54:37
Speaker 10: an object of our investigation.
54:39
Speaker 1: And without betraying any particular investigation, are there government officials
54:42
Speaker 1: under investigation right now?
54:46
Speaker 10: So we've put out a number of press releases, even
54:49
Speaker 10: in the last week of.
54:54
Speaker 5: Federal employees, of state employees.
54:57
Speaker 10: Who were responsible for different fraud schemes, for defrauding different
55:01
Speaker 10: COVID-era programs, et cetera. Those, every week, there are insiders
55:08
Speaker 10: who are charged with different offenses. And even just from
55:13
Speaker 10: the last week, there's been a number of those. And
55:16
Speaker 10: it's because we do not differentiate between, you know, whether
55:20
Speaker 10: you are an official or not. If you have committed
55:22
Speaker 10: a crime, then we will work with law enforcement to
55:25
Speaker 10: uncover the facts, confirm or dispel the suspicions of impropriety,
55:31
Speaker 10: and turn over the rocks necessary to know whether there's
55:34
Speaker 10: a case. And so we are in that business of
55:37
Speaker 10: making sure that there's the full range of accountability brought
55:40
Speaker 10: to all of the actors responsible for fraud.
55:43
Speaker 1: I know last year, Minnesota, or months ago, Minnesota Governor
55:46
Speaker 1: Tim Walz revealed that he had received subpoenas. And I
55:50
Speaker 1: know that there are other officials who've received inquiries in
55:54
Speaker 1: terms of trying to figure out what they knew and
55:55
Speaker 1: what they were up to.
55:56
Speaker 2: But you're saying it doesn't matter who you are.
55:58
Speaker 1: Nobody's above the law.
56:00
Speaker 5: That's exactly right. Doesn't matter.
56:02
Speaker 10: Nobody's above the law. We will work to unearth the
56:05
Speaker 10: facts in any investigation that we have and to identify
56:09
Speaker 10: the appropriate. a range of criminal actors responsible for any
56:14
Speaker 10: particular fraud scheme, and we will charge those people.
56:17
Speaker 1: Okay, let's talk about the big announcement at the White House,
56:20
Speaker 1: which is that now you are asking the public for
56:23
Speaker 1: its assistance in offering you more fraud tips and providing
56:28
Speaker 1: rewards for any actionable intelligence you receive.
56:31
Speaker 2: Give me a sense of how this program works.
56:34
Speaker 5: Mr.
56:34
Speaker 10: Yes, so the President and the Vice President are doing
56:40
Speaker 10: a great job to activate all available levers to enable
56:44
Speaker 10: us to confront the fraud problem. And I would just
56:48
Speaker 10: say this as a starting point. The fraudsters never stop adapting.
56:52
Speaker 10: They never stop learning. They never stop coming up with
56:56
Speaker 10: new ways to take our money. But the federal government
56:59
Speaker 10: usually is decades behind. Usually, we're very slow to learn.
57:03
Speaker 10: We're very slow to take new approaches. We're very slow
57:06
Speaker 10: to innovate. And so the president and the vice president
57:10
Speaker 10: are changing that dynamic, and they are looking to their
57:13
Speaker 10: team to innovate in all of the appropriate ways to
57:17
Speaker 10: be able to eliminate the fraud problem confronting the country.
57:21
Speaker 10: So this whistleblower program is one of those tools that
57:26
Speaker 10: the president and the vice president and Attorney General Blanch
57:29
Speaker 10: have set into motion to incentivize folks to come forward
57:34
Speaker 10: with their knowledge of the fraud that they have seen.
57:39
Speaker 10: And so, this program is now live. You can go
57:42
Speaker 10: to america.gov slash fraud. That's america.gov slash fraud, where you
57:50
Speaker 10: can see the details of providing tips to the Department
57:54
Speaker 10: of Justice. And we are incentivizing those tips so that
58:00
Speaker 10: folks have a reason to come forward beyond just their
58:04
Speaker 10: civic duty of coming forward and flagging crime that they see,
58:09
Speaker 10: but also there's an incentive now for them to do that.
58:13
Speaker 10: So we're hopeful that folks pay attention to that, that
58:15
Speaker 10: they provide truthful, complete information to our agencies and to
58:23
Speaker 10: the DOJ so that we can more swiftly do the
58:26
Speaker 10: work that the president has tasked us with doing, which
58:29
Speaker 10: is to stop the scamming of the American people.
58:31
Speaker 2: That's a big deal.
58:32
Speaker 1: And do I understand correctly that the reward could be
58:34
Speaker 1: as much as 1% of the total money saved.
58:38
Speaker 2: For the taxpayers? How does that work?
58:41
Speaker 5: Yes, exactly.
58:42
Speaker 10: As the president talked about, there will be a commission-based
58:46
Speaker 10: component to this. There will also be an upfront payment
58:50
Speaker 10: component to this that allows people to get money in
58:53
Speaker 10: their pockets very early. which is a new feature that
58:58
Speaker 10: no other reward program in the federal government has, which
59:01
Speaker 10: is an early payment feature when there is an arrest.
59:04
Speaker 10: So we will have both aspects of that, the commission
59:08
Speaker 10: based and also the upfront payment opportunity for those who
59:13
Speaker 10: want to come forward and report fraud.
59:15
Speaker 2: Okay, got it.
59:16
Speaker 1: And then finally, what's it like working now as you're
59:18
Speaker 1: the first assistant attorney general in the fraud division?
59:21
Speaker 2: You're the first guy to ever do this. Hopefully it
59:23
Speaker 2: lasts forever.
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Speaker 1: But you work very closely with the White House, the
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Speaker 1: vice president of the United States on a routine basis.
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Speaker 1: You're there with the president of the United States in
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Speaker 1: the Oval Office for these big announcements. This is a
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Speaker 1: very unusual job, candidly. And I'm sure I know you
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Speaker 1: know that.
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Speaker 2: What's that like?
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Speaker 1: What does that story tell the rest of us about
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Speaker 1: how dialed in to the White House you are?
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Speaker 10: Well, look, I'm a public servant and I get very
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Speaker 10: excited to see the public servants above me doing all
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Speaker 10: of the things necessary to discharge our responsibility to the public.
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Speaker 5: We are here to serve.
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Speaker 10: That is what I have done as a DOJ prosecutor
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Speaker 10: since 2014, is to serve the public, to defend victims
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Speaker 10: of crime, and to imprison those who commit crime and
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Speaker 10: to deliver justice day over day over day to criminals.
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Speaker 10: So this job is highly rewarding in the sense that
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Speaker 10: I get to wake up and I get to serve
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Speaker 10: the American people.
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Speaker 5: I get to do what is right.
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Speaker 10: And the public servants above me, all the way up
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Speaker 10: to President Trump, they are also looking to serve the
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Speaker 10: public and to solve these problems that no one else
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Speaker 10: has ever been able to solve and no one has
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Speaker 10: been willing to even try. But these leaders, the president,
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Speaker 10: the vice president, the attorney general, They care so much
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Speaker 10: that they will try to solve this problem and activate
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Speaker 10: all of the levers across the whole of the federal
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Speaker 10: government to be able to actually come up with solutions
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Speaker 10: to the problem that has long confronted the American people.
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Speaker 10: So it is an honor to be.
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Speaker 5: The first AAG for fraud.
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Speaker 10: I am building a division with the Attorney General that
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Speaker 10: I will not be the last AAG for fraud. this
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Speaker 10: division is here to stay to serve the American people.
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Speaker 2: In other words, not an empty blue ribbon commission.
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Speaker 1: That's good news. The Assistant Attorney General of the Fraud Division,
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Speaker 1: Colin McDonald.
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Speaker 2: Sir, thank you. I've been looking forward to talking to
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Speaker 2: you for a while. Glad we could do it.
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Speaker 1: Appreciate you coming on, sir.
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Speaker 5: Absolutely.
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Speaker 2: Thank you. Thanks for doing this. So glad we could
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Speaker 2: finally have him on. So good. That was nice.
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Speaker 13: I think a lot of people are underestimating the Trump
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