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General Blaine Holt| The Amazon Jet Crash · Sid & Friends In The Morning

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  Speaker 1: It's 7.51 a.m. here in New York. It's Sit and
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  Speaker 1: Friends in the morning with the Takeover crew as Sid's
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  Speaker 1: taking Labor Day off. I'm Jake Novak with Michael Cohen
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  Speaker 1: and owner-operator John Casimatidis on the line with us right
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  Speaker 1: now with a lot of stories he is uniquely qualified
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  Speaker 1: to talk about is General Blaine Holden. Let's get you started, General,
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  Speaker 1: first with the biggest story in America right now, which
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  Speaker 1: is this overshoot of the runway by the Amazon cargo jet. Obviously,
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  Speaker 1: you know, well, let's do all the disclaimers. We have
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  Speaker 1: to get the full investigation, etc.
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  Speaker 2: etc.
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  Speaker 1: but Tell us your initial reaction to this story. Five
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  Speaker 1: people have died. What have you seen that stands out
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  Speaker 1: to you?
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  Speaker 2: Well, we know being a cargo jet, it was probably
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  Speaker 2: laden with a whole lot of weight. That's one factor
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  Speaker 2: that they're probably going.
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  Speaker 3: To be looking at at the NTSB.
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  Speaker 2: But then typically going into that hub in Miami, you
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  Speaker 2: usually have tropical rain, some winds, that type of stuff.
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  Speaker 2: So pilots can't be complacent about that long runway where
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  Speaker 2: they think, oh, it's a very, very long runway. I
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  Speaker 2: think it's up to 10,000 feet. I don't have anything
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  Speaker 2: to worry about. When you're coming across that threshold, You
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  Speaker 2: can't hold that power up. You can't just try to
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  Speaker 2: pull the yoke back without being too technical to grease
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  Speaker 2: on a landing if you let too much runway get
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  Speaker 2: behind you. And if you see that there's too much
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  Speaker 2: runway getting behind you, you've got to jack those throttles
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  Speaker 2: right up and get out of there and go try again.
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  Speaker 2: So I think what we're invariably going to find out
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  Speaker 2: is we've got a pilot miscalculation about their landing situation. And,
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  Speaker 2: you know, flying is a horribly unforgiving business, as John knows.
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  Speaker 2: And if a moment of complacency where you think you've
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  Speaker 2: done it a million times can can get you really badly.
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  Speaker 1: General hope for the uninitiated listening. You know, we're in
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  Speaker 1: an era of amazing technology, AI on that stuff. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: a lot of people are going to be asking, weren't
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  Speaker 1: there bells and whistles and buzzers going off in the
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  Speaker 1: cockpit saying you need to try this again? Or is
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  Speaker 1: that is that not a real realistic question?
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  Speaker 2: So, so when you're in that landing round out, you
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  Speaker 2: can be in the envelope where no bell or no
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  Speaker 2: whistles going to go off and tell you you're a knucklehead. Um,
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  Speaker 2: you can be in the envelope and still take, uh,
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  Speaker 2: because what the jet can't do is tell you how
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  Speaker 2: much runway is remaining. Uh, only your Mark one eyeball can.
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  Speaker 3: Tell you that.
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  Speaker 2: And, and, and again, so what the pilot should have
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  Speaker 2: realized as, uh, as he was floating down that runway
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  Speaker 2: is he, he should have just recognized this is a
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  Speaker 2: bad situation and, Thrown up the throttle, sucked up the
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  Speaker 2: embarrassment and got underway. I've gone around a couple of
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  Speaker 2: times in my life. And I'm glad that I made
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  Speaker 2: that decision every single time.
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  Speaker 4: You know, it's interesting, General, because in my 60 years
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  Speaker 4: of being on this earth and flying as often as
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  Speaker 4: I do, it's only happened to me once that we
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  Speaker 4: were landing and then all of a sudden they hit
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  Speaker 4: the throttle and then they pulled straight back up, I guess,
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  Speaker 4: because they realized that they had waited too long.
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  Speaker 5: So.
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  Speaker 4: I'm curious as to why. Okay, fine. It's embarrassing. I
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  Speaker 4: get it. Got to circle back around. It's like an additional, what,
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  Speaker 4: about 15 minutes, give or take. Who cares?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, no, we talk about this. Michael, and human factors
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  Speaker 2: when we're doing academics for flying all the time, because
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  Speaker 2: what pilots do in flight school is we go through
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  Speaker 2: all these accidents. We go through reams of accidents where
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  Speaker 2: there was human factors on board, what we call crew
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  Speaker 2: resource management. How is the crew interacting? Co-pilot or the
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  Speaker 2: first officer had a big job here, too. The first
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  Speaker 2: officer is empowered to tell that captain to go around
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  Speaker 2: any time. And so what we're going to find out
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  Speaker 2: is cockpit breakdown, communications issues, inattention to detail, complacency. Those
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  Speaker 2: will all be factors that the NTSB is looking for.
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  Speaker 2: And if you're on an airliner and the pilot goes around,
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  Speaker 2: when you come back and land, you go tell him,
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  Speaker 2: thanks for that. I appreciate your getting on that.
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  Speaker 4: Totally agree. Totally agree.
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  Speaker 1: John, your thoughts?
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  Speaker 5: Well, my thoughts is.
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  Speaker 5: Something is wrong. That's a very, very long runway, and
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  Speaker 5: it's the second time that it happened to that airline
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  Speaker 5: overshooting a runway. In general, I don't know if you remember,
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  Speaker 5: that particular airline that works for Amazon did it two
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  Speaker 5: years ago, too.
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  Speaker 4: I think it's 21-something, the name of the group that
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  Speaker 4: runs it.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I thought they were connected to Atlas as well.
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  Speaker 2: So I haven't kept up with the mergers and acquisitions,
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  Speaker 2: but I think John's on.
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  Speaker 3: The right tack here.
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  Speaker 2: So if John were the NTSB investigator, I think what
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  Speaker 2: I hear him saying is at the table, he would say,
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  Speaker 2: I want to see this operator's training program. I want
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  Speaker 2: to see how much time they're setting these situations up
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  Speaker 2: in the simulator before these guys get out on the
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  Speaker 2: line and go fly. I want to know about crew fatigue.
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  Speaker 2: I want to know about how long was the duty.
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  Speaker 3: Day for these guys.
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  Speaker 2: And, you know, and that's what you that's what you
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  Speaker 2: absolutely have to do when you investigate these things. You
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  Speaker 2: have to go to the root cause wherever it takes you.
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  Speaker 2: And then you modify the program. You don't do it
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  Speaker 2: the same way you did it the last time.
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  Speaker 1: We're talking General Blaine Holt and General John brought this
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  Speaker 1: up in the last hour or earlier this hour. And
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  Speaker 1: I have to ask you, because it's one of those
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  Speaker 1: things that I'm worried might get covered up. Just your
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  Speaker 1: gut reaction. If it turns out that these pilots were inexperienced.
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  Speaker 1: if it turns out that there's some questions about why
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  Speaker 1: they were hired or how they were hired, how much
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  Speaker 1: confidence do you have that the general public will even
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  Speaker 1: get a whiff of that?
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  Speaker 2: In this case, FAA with this Department of Transportation, I
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  Speaker 2: think you've got a good chance of that. I'm still
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  Speaker 2: very skeptical, as John.
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  Speaker 3: Knows, of things happening at the DOT.
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  Speaker 2: But I'm hopeful that we will. And that's just half
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  Speaker 2: of it. The other half of it is I want
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  Speaker 2: to see heads on pikes. I want to know who
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  Speaker 2: was fired. I want to know what operating certificate was
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  Speaker 2: pulled from the company. Until you put consequences down on
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  Speaker 2: these types of practices for having diversity over meritocracy and flying,
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  Speaker 2: then this will continue.
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  Speaker 1: You know, if you can put someone in jail, and
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  Speaker 1: I think you should, who is driving drunk, who ends
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  Speaker 1: up killing someone or maiming someone, the idea that you
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  Speaker 1: could If a human is responsible for this accident or
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  Speaker 1: humans responsible for this accident, if humans don't go to
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  Speaker 1: jail over this, if they are responsible, it would really
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  Speaker 1: be a tragedy. Let's talk about something that's potentially more optimistic, potentially,
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  Speaker 1: and that is our weekend news coming out of Russia
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  Speaker 1: and Ukraine. You had Jared Kushner and Steve Witkoff meeting
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  Speaker 1: on Saturday with Vladimir Putin, warmly received, by the way.
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  Speaker 1: Putin gets up out of his chair and jumps to
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  Speaker 1: greet them. And he's the you know, he's the guy
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  Speaker 1: in charge there. And then they go to Ukraine yesterday
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  Speaker 1: to speak with Zelensky. And Witkow says some new ideas
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  Speaker 1: were exchanged. And more importantly, he says that within the
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  Speaker 1: next day or so, he says right away, we're going
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  Speaker 1: to hear about U.S. mediated talks between Russia and Ukraine.
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  Speaker 1: Do we have the right general hold to be a
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  Speaker 1: little more optimistic this morning about this?
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  Speaker 2: I think we do with some trepidation. The thing that
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  Speaker 2: we all have to realize, and I thought Jared Kushner
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  Speaker 2: said it fairly well at his press conference yesterday, there's
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  Speaker 2: no guaranteed outcomes here. The United States is the only
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  Speaker 2: participant that's actually engaged in active diplomacy with the parties.
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  Speaker 2: There's no help coming from Europe. And they're working in
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  Speaker 2: a situation where we've already got millions dead and a
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  Speaker 2: war of attrition. where the glimmer of hope is that
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  Speaker 2: both heads of state have very good reasons to want
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  Speaker 2: to make the conflict stop. You've got Russia wants back
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  Speaker 2: into the world economy and the Duma elections are coming up.
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  Speaker 2: And you've got a pretty hostile group right now around
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  Speaker 2: Putin that wants to see this war escalate. And then
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  Speaker 2: you've got on the other side President Zelensky that needs
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  Speaker 2: to have something to show respect. To get this thing
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  Speaker 2: off ramp because the Ukrainian people have they've absolutely had
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  Speaker 2: enough of the killing fields. So so Wyckoff and Kushner,
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  Speaker 2: they may not bring home the goods this week, but
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  Speaker 2: that's not a slight on them. This is probably going
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  Speaker 2: to be diplomatic brain surgery at its highest level of
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  Speaker 2: complication for the next decade.
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  Speaker 3: Days to come.
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  Speaker 2: But the fact is, despite everything I just talked about,
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  Speaker 2: they are talking, and that is essential. And so I
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  Speaker 2: am hoping to hear about U.S.-mediated talks, because I think that.
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  Speaker 3: Is our offering.
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  Speaker 4: You know, General, yesterday on my show, when you know,
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  Speaker 4: you know, I had Steve Witkoff on with me. And
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  Speaker 4: that's one of the things that he said. Why are
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  Speaker 4: people attacking us for speaking? He goes, I have now
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  Speaker 4: met with Vladimir Putin eight or nine times.
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  Speaker 3: He goes.
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  Speaker 4: He warmly embraces me when I am there. He goes,
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  Speaker 4: if we do not engage in conversation, there's only one
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  Speaker 4: definitive outcome, and that is nothing will happen. So the
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  Speaker 4: fact that the United States is speaking to Russia, and
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  Speaker 4: the fact that afterwards, he goes, we're going straight to
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  Speaker 4: Ukraine to talk to Zelensky, these are all positive movements,
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  Speaker 4: and the administration should be credited for it.
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  Speaker 2: No, they're getting hammered. And I thought Kushner put a
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  Speaker 2: really good point on it, which is he got pinned on, well,
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  Speaker 2: why are we doing talking to the Russians? And it's like,
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  Speaker 2: how do you get the war done otherwise? And what
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  Speaker 2: he said was, we're friends with the Japanese now. People
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  Speaker 2: don't stay enemies forever. There's many good reasons to be
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  Speaker 2: engaged with the Russians. They're the number two.
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  Speaker 4: Look at me and Donald Trump.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Hey, General Holt, we had to take a break. We
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  Speaker 1: had to take a break, but I was hoping you
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  Speaker 1: could stay on the line until after the break because
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  Speaker 1: I need to ask you about what looks like a
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  Speaker 1: new standard operating procedure with CENTCOM going on. after Iranian
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  Speaker 1: oil tankers. So let's take a break. Let's sit in
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  Speaker 1: Friends in the morning. We're on with General Blaine Holt.
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  Speaker 1: We're going to get to the Iran situation and your
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  Speaker 1: gas prices in just a moment. We're on the line
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  Speaker 1: right now with General Blaine Holt. We went out to
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  Speaker 1: break with me, letting you know we're going to talk
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  Speaker 1: about the situation in Iran. So on Saturday, Iran fired
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  Speaker 1: ballistic missiles at two U.S. naval warships, including... an aircraft
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  Speaker 1: carrier we respond to the united states did by hitting
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  Speaker 1: and destroying three iranian oil tankers and the centcom commander
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  Speaker 1: the admiral general holt said that's going to be our
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  Speaker 1: new ratio for every two ships of ours that you
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  Speaker 1: attack we're going to destroy three of yours this seems
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  Speaker 1: to be a new stage a new um maybe standard
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  Speaker 1: operating procedure.
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  Speaker 2: What do you think of this general First off, it's
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  Speaker 2: an excellent idea.
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  Speaker 3: It's a cost imposition thing.
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  Speaker 2: If you recall, just about four days ago, President Trump
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  Speaker 2: had alluded to, hey, we're going to hit you. But
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  Speaker 2: then if you keep this up, we're going to we're
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  Speaker 2: going to make it even worse for you. This is
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  Speaker 2: the even worse for you part. And so we're watching
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  Speaker 2: is not emotional reactions from the United States or episodic reactions.
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  Speaker 2: We're absolutely in a strategy and.
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  Speaker 3: A game plan.
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  Speaker 2: We know we have to weaken the IRGC enough to
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  Speaker 2: invoke a revolution. The Kurds have now moved into Iran.
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  Speaker 2: There is a ground game that's starting, and there's no
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  Speaker 2: way that this regime is going to be allowed to
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  Speaker 2: survive this.
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  Speaker 3: But still, we're not going.
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  Speaker 2: To tolerate any type of military activity out of the
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  Speaker 2: IRGC as we close this noose. And that means that
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  Speaker 2: if we've got to vaporize more shipping.
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  Speaker 3: On Iran's part, then we're going to do that. But
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  Speaker 3: I think that that's the best place to go.
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  Speaker 2: What I don't want to see, hopefully we won't see
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  Speaker 2: Karg Island being destroyed or any of the oil infrastructure.
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  Speaker 2: We're going to need that on the other side of
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  Speaker 2: this thing, not just for the Iranian people, but for
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  Speaker 2: a more stable world when you look at China using
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  Speaker 2: 18% of those oil stocks.
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  Speaker 1: I wish I knew how to say surrender now in Farsi.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, I don't understand why there isn't more of
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  Speaker 1: an attempt for us to... Just lay down your arms.
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  Speaker 1: By the way, that's how they deposed the Shah. They
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  Speaker 1: got the soldiers who were defending him to allow for
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  Speaker 1: them to put roses and flowers inside their gun turrets.
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  Speaker 1: I promised oil and gas prices before Michael asked your question.
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  Speaker 1: I just want to let you know.
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  Speaker 2: Oil, which was.
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  Speaker 1: Flat most of the morning, is now up almost 1%,
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  Speaker 1: but it's still at the $ 92 barrel level. That's where
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  Speaker 1: we were when we went into the weekend. And the
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  Speaker 1: average price, according to AAA, for a regular gallon of
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  Speaker 1: gas is up a penny from yesterday to $ 4.
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  Speaker 3: 15.
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  Speaker 1: Go ahead, Michael.
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  Speaker 4: You know, General, I want to say this. Knowing Donald
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  Speaker 4: Trump as well as I do, and I'm like 92%
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  Speaker 4: correct whenever I predict the future. You know when he
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  Speaker 4: said that for every one that they come after us,
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  Speaker 4: we're going to go hit them hard? So much harder.
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  Speaker 4: Now that's what, three ships for every one or something.
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  Speaker 4: He'll bring it up to 10. He'll bring it up
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  Speaker 4: to 20. People don't understand Trump. He doesn't care. He
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  Speaker 4: doesn't care if it'll go for every one attack on
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  Speaker 4: an American, whether it's a vessel, whether it's going to
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  Speaker 4: be one of our... bases. He doesn't care. He'll go
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  Speaker 4: one to a hundred.
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  Speaker 2: Why?
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  Speaker 4: Because we can. That's the difference. We can do it.
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  Speaker 4: They can't. We're fighting with like a 50 caliber and
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  Speaker 4: they're fighting with a rubber band with a paper clip.
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  Speaker 3: That's very true.
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  Speaker 2: But the other thing that the president has done, which
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  Speaker 2: I think is brilliant, is he has given them between
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  Speaker 2: 25 and 50 potential off ramps.
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  Speaker 3: Since the start of this thing.
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  Speaker 2: And right now they've gone so far that it's end
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  Speaker 2: of regime time. And so what I think we're going
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  Speaker 2: to look at next is, look, there's a revolution that's
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  Speaker 2: about to spring. It's not that there's no courage there
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  Speaker 2: to make that happen. It's that they only get one
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  Speaker 2: shot at this thing. They're waiting for probably Admiral Cooper
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  Speaker 2: at CENTCOM to say, hey, conditions are favorable. It's never
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  Speaker 2: going to get better than it is, and we have
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  Speaker 2: weakened them enough for you to get going. And then
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  Speaker 2: we're going to blanket them in American air power. And so,
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  Speaker 2: you know, the regime– is entrenched. It's been there 47 years.
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  Speaker 2: It's had big friends and big money from, yes, Russia, China,
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  Speaker 2: and the United States, which is disgusting. And and now
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  Speaker 2: we're going to have to tear down what Western intelligence
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  Speaker 2: services put in there in 1979.
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  Speaker 4: But, you know, since you're talking about intelligence, I want
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  Speaker 4: to ask you this because you would know better than
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  Speaker 4: just about anyone. So Iranian state media claimed on Sunday
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  Speaker 4: that their Navy attacked an American, some remote controlled vessel
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  Speaker 4: that was trying to enter the strait. Mind you, the U.S.
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  Speaker 4: military denies this. CENTCOM, I think it was Tim Hawkins,
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  Speaker 4: who's a spokesperson for CENTCOM, turned around and stated, and
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  Speaker 4: I'm going to quote this, the report came from Iranian
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  Speaker 4: state media, and it's a total lie. Who do we
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  Speaker 4: believe here?
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  Speaker 3: It seems fairly easy to me.
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  Speaker 2: The Iranians have the Baghdad Bob style of propaganda. They're
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  Speaker 2: going to say whatever they can to make this– look, Michael,
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  Speaker 2: they want to look in the eyes of the Iranian
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  Speaker 2: people like they're still very much in control. They're duking
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  Speaker 2: it out in the United States. There's no trouble there.
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  Speaker 3: In the regime.
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  Speaker 2: And, and that's what they're projecting. They know that we
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  Speaker 2: know the truth. And then for Americans who are here,
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  Speaker 2: who are lapping up, whatever flies out of the Iranian
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  Speaker 2: state media's mouth, I would go, you need to get
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  Speaker 2: ahold of yourself here.
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  Speaker 4: Could you imagine general? If I turn around and I
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  Speaker 4: said to you, well, watch me tonight, I'm going to
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  Speaker 4: be playing in the U S open in my off ramp.
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  Speaker 4: I'm actually the center for the New York Knicks as
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  Speaker 4: well as by the way, the starting pitcher for the Yankees.
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  Speaker 4: And then, you know, and then people turn and say, well,
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  Speaker 4: he is, He is right. I mean, he said it. Therefore,
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  Speaker 4: he is.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: General.
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  Speaker 3: I love the way this is heading.
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  Speaker 2: I think the president's going to get a grand victory here,
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  Speaker 2: but he's getting a victory for our grandkids. He's getting
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  Speaker 2: a victory for our nation's longevity because these Armageddon minded
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  Speaker 2: psychopaths are very resolute. They want a nuclear weapon and
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  Speaker 2: they want to light it off on us. What is
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  Speaker 2: hard to understand about that? The president is taking on
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  Speaker 2: the hard work that other presidents on both sides of
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  Speaker 2: the aisle refuse to.
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  Speaker 1: General Blainhold, thank you so much for joining us.