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Hide & seek game turns deadly; Teen runs away with teacher; Pot smoking mom cooks kids in car! · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: in your own home. You think will never happen to you.
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Speaker 1: You think this is just an urban myth or a legend.
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Speaker 1: It is not. A ten year old little boy dies
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Speaker 1: after he is electrocuted during a game of hide and
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Speaker 1: seek because he decided to hide in the dryer, the
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Speaker 1: clothes dryer. I Nancy Grace, this is crime Stories. Thank
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Speaker 1: you for being with us. Shaun Walsh with me from
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Speaker 1: Daily mail dot com Sean. When I read about this,
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Speaker 1: all I could think about where the twins, you know,
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Speaker 1: the twins John, David and Lucy. There this very age,
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Speaker 1: just ten years old. This third grader, Fernando electrocuted in Houston,
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Speaker 1: pronounced dead after he climbed into a clothes dryer. Shaun
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Speaker 1: Walsh Daily Mail dot Com. You guys broke the story.
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Speaker 1: What happened, Nancy. This is one of those things that
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Speaker 1: is every parent's worst nightmare. As a parati of two
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Speaker 1: little boys, myself, you can't even imagine this happening. Ten
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Speaker 1: year old said Nando Hernandez Jr. Was playing hard and
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Speaker 1: sleek with friends at an East Houston apartment complex when
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Speaker 1: he climbed into the laundry room dryer. He was sounding
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Speaker 1: unconscious inside and they called for help. I just don't
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Speaker 1: understand how it happened. But of course I'm I guess
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Speaker 1: I'm technologically challenged, Sean, because when I read the article
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Speaker 1: about the little girl, um, I think I read it
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Speaker 1: the Daily Me'll actually either they are a crime online.
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Speaker 1: Um that dropped the cell phone in the bathtub and
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Speaker 1: she was electrocuted. I couldn't believe it, And now I
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Speaker 1: don't understand how this happened. But one thing I do understand,
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Speaker 1: it's when I listened to this mother. Take a listen
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Speaker 1: to the mom, Christina. I don't know what happened. I
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Speaker 1: was just inside cooking in my little son keep inside
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Speaker 1: and told me my son was dead on the floor.
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Speaker 1: So I read outside and my boyfriend picked him up
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Speaker 1: and brought him into the house. He was purple, he
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Speaker 1: was sumic, eyes were opened and he was gone. I
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Speaker 1: don't know what happened. I should have been outside with him,
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Speaker 1: but I wasn't like a kid. I just put him.
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Speaker 1: I missed my baby. He was so he was he
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Speaker 1: was so friendly. Nobody, everybody loved him. He wasn't the
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Speaker 1: perfect child, but he loved everybody. He had her ups
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Speaker 1: and downs. It I just my side bag and just
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Speaker 1: fund him. How many how many kids you have? I
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Speaker 1: have fagets and he said one of them was working.
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Speaker 1: His little brother was the one with him and he's
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Speaker 1: the one that found the father who is nine guys.
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Speaker 1: I actually could not even listen to that. I went
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Speaker 1: in and out because the suffering and that mother's voice
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Speaker 1: was just overwhelming to me. Shawn watched with me, along
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Speaker 1: with Vincent Hill, private investigator Ashley Wilcot, Atlanta junital judge,
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Speaker 1: lawyer and founder of child crime watch dot com. Also
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Speaker 1: with me psychotherapist Lauren Howard. Sean Walsh, it's not you know,
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Speaker 1: we see so many stories, so many cases, and I've
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Speaker 1: prosecuted so many where the mom and or the dad
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Speaker 1: are just negligent. It's their fault that their child is dead.
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Speaker 1: There's really no other way to slice that. It's the
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Speaker 1: parents fault. In this case. The mom's at home. She's
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Speaker 1: at home to take care of the children. She's cooking
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Speaker 1: them a meal in the kitchen. She's not out clubbing,
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Speaker 1: she's not drunk, she's not out passed out on opioids
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Speaker 1: in the car. She's home taking care of her family.
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Speaker 1: I mean, Sean, how many times have you and your
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Speaker 1: beautiful wife said, guys, go play. We're trying to make dinner.
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Speaker 1: Please come back in ten minutes. A million times I said,
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Speaker 1: go take a bath. When you come back, dinner'll be ready.
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Speaker 1: Hurry right right, right, man. I just can't stand even
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Speaker 1: hearing this mom. Sean, Absolutely, Nancy. It's tragic, like the
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Speaker 1: pain in the mother's voice, and I mean, this is
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Speaker 1: a mother doing what mothers do. She's in the kitchen,
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Speaker 1: she's cooking dinner, and she said her little son came
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Speaker 1: inside and told her that the other son was dead
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Speaker 1: on the floor. Now, the little boy that passed away,
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Speaker 1: he had three younger siblings. So this is a mother
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Speaker 1: who already has a lot on with four children, and
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Speaker 1: you get that horrific news as you're just trying to
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Speaker 1: cook your kids dinner that your son has died, and
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Speaker 1: she races in, Uh, there he is. He has passed away,
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Speaker 1: and there's nothing they can do. He was transported to
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Speaker 1: the local hospital and he was pronounced dead there. Nancy,
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Speaker 1: It's tragic. Can't even imagine. I mean, it's not like
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Speaker 1: this is top mom we're talking about. This was a
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Speaker 1: mom who was looking after her kids and was just
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Speaker 1: cooking them dinner. And the worst thing you can ever
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Speaker 1: imagine it? Could? You know? I don't like any expersions
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Speaker 1: cast on the mom. Ashley willcot with me, founder child
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Speaker 1: crime watch dot Com, a juvenile judge and lawyer. Ashley,
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Speaker 1: you have children just like me. The US Consumer Product
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Speaker 1: Safety Commission has issued a bulletin that's posts to several
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Speaker 1: suffocation deaths involving children who get inside those latch type
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Speaker 1: dryers and then they can't get out. That's not what
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Speaker 1: happened here. And I mean I don't expect a mother
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Speaker 1: with four children to have her eye on every child
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Speaker 1: at all times. This is not like other cases we've handled, Ashley,
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Speaker 1: where the mom is just sorry, you know, it's just
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Speaker 1: she's just like a cat. You give birth and then
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Speaker 1: you just leave and you hope they fend for themselves.
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Speaker 1: But it's not like that at all here. Yeah, that's
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Speaker 1: why it's such a tragic, tragic accident circumstance. And this
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Speaker 1: is why kids need to be kids. They're playing hide
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Speaker 1: and seek. Every kid plays hide and seek. The problem
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Speaker 1: is this leads to helicopter parenting. Right. Parents will automatically
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Speaker 1: say they can't do anything because this could happen to
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Speaker 1: my child. It could happen to any child, and that's horrific.
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Speaker 1: I really think. Well, this is going to come down
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Speaker 1: as a product's liability issue as to whether or not
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Speaker 1: the dryer was safe, miswired, etcetera. Well, but there's another
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Speaker 1: thing regarding that. If you want to go deaf, come
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Speaker 1: for on the law, Ashley Willcott say that the dryer malfunction,
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Speaker 1: this is a consumer product, and you start at the top,
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Speaker 1: suing the manufacturer, then the store that sold it to you.
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Speaker 1: If the wiring goes bad and you don't have a warning,
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Speaker 1: that's on them, not you. What should happen to you
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Speaker 1: if there's something wrong when you're drying it is just
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Speaker 1: simply not work. Okay, it shouldn't electricute your baby. And
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Speaker 1: as I don't think any way they're going to be
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Speaker 1: able to intimate this family was in any way possible.
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Speaker 1: But how do we think it actually happened? Sean was
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Speaker 1: joining me the star of dailymail dot Com. Sean, I
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Speaker 1: don't understand exactly how it happened. I mean, how does
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Speaker 1: getting in a dryer result in you being electrocuted? You know, Anthony?
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Speaker 1: It's interesting. They haven't given out the specific details yet
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Speaker 1: of how the child was electrocuted, but recently the U
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Speaker 1: s Consumer Product Safety Commission issued a bulletin in December
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Speaker 1: of last year about several suffocation deaths involving children who
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Speaker 1: have crawled into latch type dryers. So you know, when
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Speaker 1: you get in there, you close the door, the oxygen
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Speaker 1: leaves pretty quickly. But interestingly this is not the case
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Speaker 1: this time. They're saying the child has been electrocuted. I
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Speaker 1: know in my past as a journalist, I've seen stories
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Speaker 1: where there's some sort of faulty wiring inside the dryer
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Speaker 1: and people have touched things and had an electric shock.
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Speaker 1: So I'm imagining this is what occurred this time. Well,
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Speaker 1: you're right to point to that CPSC bulletin that was
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Speaker 1: about children suffocating, and that is exactly what authorities first
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Speaker 1: thought when little Fernando Junior was found dead after hiding
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Speaker 1: in the dryer. They thought exactly that happened. But that's
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Speaker 1: not what happened. Take a listen to an electrical technician,
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Speaker 1: Donald's shoddy. Listen to this. Some people don't repair their
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Speaker 1: dryer properly, like a door switch goes bad, and when
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Speaker 1: they opened the dryer, as long as the timers on
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Speaker 1: the machinery is going to stay running. So have you
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Speaker 1: ever heard of somebody actually getting electrocuted without there being
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Speaker 1: a fault in the dryer? No, I have. There's so
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Speaker 1: many safety features. It has to be something to do
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Speaker 1: with the wiring. Should always wear shoes when you're our
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Speaker 1: rubber sole shoes flip plops, whatever launsers rubber Back to
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Speaker 1: Sean wash on this Daily mail dot com. Sean what
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Speaker 1: about being in there with a belt with a belt buckle,
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Speaker 1: or something on a shoe or your your clothing that
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Speaker 1: may have metal in it. I mean, I still don't
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Speaker 1: understand it because it's a consumer product. I mean everybody.
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Speaker 1: I think at some point my son does it all
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Speaker 1: the time. He takes off his school uniform and throws
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Speaker 1: his pants in the wash with the belt on it.
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Speaker 1: Nobody's ever been electrocuted, Sean and Nancy. How many times
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Speaker 1: have you seen your kids and said, where did you
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Speaker 1: get that? And they'll have something in their hands that
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Speaker 1: you have no idea where they got it from. I mean,
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Speaker 1: think about it. The kids could have picked up a coin,
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Speaker 1: a magnet, anything like the range of possibilities of what
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Speaker 1: your kids could have had in their hands when he
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Speaker 1: went into the dryer. It may not just be the belt.
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Speaker 1: It could be anything, because kids pick things up and
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Speaker 1: play with things, and then they go and do things
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Speaker 1: that we told them not to do. So there's there's
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Speaker 1: any range of possibilities that could be employe here. Well.
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Speaker 1: The Harris County Institute of Forensic Science ruled Little Fernando's
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Speaker 1: death an accident caused by electrocution, and I'm curious about
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Speaker 1: how you look at a body and determine it was
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Speaker 1: electrocuted versus suffocated. A forensic investigator said he did not
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Speaker 1: immediately know more details of how they could determine that. Now,
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Speaker 1: these kind of deaths are not really tracked. But as
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Speaker 1: Shaun Wats just told us, the US Consumer Protection Safety Commission,
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Speaker 1: the CPSC justin out of safety alert saying it had
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Speaker 1: gotten many reports of suffocation deaths of children who got
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Speaker 1: into latch type appliances like freezers or dryers and they
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Speaker 1: couldn't get out. Now they may go to an appliance
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Speaker 1: or a chest appliance like a freezer, because it looks
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Speaker 1: like a good place to hide. Um, so far we
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Speaker 1: haven't found any warnings or or any advisories regarding electrocution. Now,
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Speaker 1: another thing we know is this correct? Sean, you would
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Speaker 1: know this was a communal laundry. Was it the laundry
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Speaker 1: at the apartment complex? Yes, it appears to be the
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Speaker 1: laundry at the apartment complex. And take a listen to
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Speaker 1: what Houston Police say they had. Approximately pm, we got
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Speaker 1: notified out here at twelve three Fleming Drive that a
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Speaker 1: ten year old juvenile mail was found unconscious in the
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Speaker 1: laundry room behind me, and Uh, the family came out
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Speaker 1: to provide CPR and had him transported to the Baybrook Hospital,
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Speaker 1: where he later was pronounced the ceased. UM. We're still
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Speaker 1: early in our investigation, speaking with multiple residents out here,
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Speaker 1: trying to determine what had happened inside of the laundry
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Speaker 1: room or if there were any witnesses to see anything
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Speaker 1: of foul play or anything like that. At this time,
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Speaker 1: it appears that it could be an accident due to
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Speaker 1: the fact that so the people that we've talked to
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Speaker 1: said the juveniles were playing like hide and seek, and
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Speaker 1: the juveniles were the ones who found him unresponsive inside
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Speaker 1: the laundry room. Uh. That's where we are right now
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Speaker 1: in our investigation. So as far as any kind of
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Speaker 1: trauma on the body at the hospital, the doctors did
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Speaker 1: not find any sort of physical trauma, any gunshot, wounds
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Speaker 1: or stabbings, nothing like that. Um. Like I said, the
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Speaker 1: autopsy tomorrow will reveal any further inside internal issues that
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Speaker 1: may have come up, So we're still waiting on that.
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Speaker 1: So it looks like maybe they were playing hide and
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Speaker 1: seek and maybe getting inside the dryers or watchers or something. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: the the boy was found inside one of the dryers
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Speaker 1: based on what most of the people out here we're
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Speaker 1: telling us, um and so, like I said, we are
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Speaker 1: taking evidence to try to find out what was the
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Speaker 1: cause of this juvenile's death. Back to Sean Wallace, were
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Speaker 1: Dailymail dot com And I'm going to Shawn a watch
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Speaker 1: because the Dailymail broke the story. Sean, I know this.
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Speaker 1: Of course, I'm not a medical exama, just a trial lawyer,
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Speaker 1: and I never prosecuted a case where a child was elexecuted.
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Speaker 1: But I do know this. When the body does not
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Speaker 1: reveal what happened, and you suspect elexecution, the way you
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Speaker 1: may be able to prove it is to go to
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Speaker 1: the source. Now, in low voltage electrocutions, you got to
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Speaker 1: look at the device as opposed to the body because
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Speaker 1: burns may not be present on the body. That's how
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Speaker 1: you make that diagnosis. Now, if there are negative autopsy
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Speaker 1: findings such as no burns, you look at the device.
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Speaker 1: In high voltage electrocution victims tissue okay, uh shows burning.
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Speaker 1: We may also be able to find human tissue at
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Speaker 1: the point of the contact of the electrical jolt, maybe
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Speaker 1: a flash burn, some other kind of a blister of sort.
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Speaker 1: Sometimes they're called crocodile burns. But apparently, Sean, we're not
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Speaker 1: learning anything from the boy's body, No, nothing yet. I
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Speaker 1: mean they're still out on on on on the exact
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Speaker 1: details of how this occurred. I mean, so if you're
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Speaker 1: thinking about this from the mother's perspective and the family specific,
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Speaker 1: you're left with no answers at the moment, and this
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Speaker 1: must be the worst possible scenario that you can find
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Speaker 1: yourselves in. I also know this, and I know this
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Speaker 1: from suffocation cases. You have particular hemorrhaging. Those are the tiny,
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Speaker 1: tiny blood vessels in your eyes, and particular blood hemorrhages
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Speaker 1: are usually invisible to the naked eye, but you can
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Speaker 1: see them under a microscope during autopsy. In electrocutions, it's
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Speaker 1: my belief that there will be a trail, a trail
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Speaker 1: particular images small blood vessel here ridges, basically in the
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Speaker 1: order of the flow of the current as it goes
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Speaker 1: through your body. This may be a case where they
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Speaker 1: have to rule out all other causes, and my process
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Speaker 1: of elimination determined this. Sean. You told us Sean walshed
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Speaker 1: with me from daily mail dot com that this was
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Speaker 1: the laundry at the apartment complex. And I remember growing
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Speaker 1: up we didn't have a working washer and dryer, and
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Speaker 1: we would go to the laundry mat, And that is
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Speaker 1: a whole another layer of issues with a commercial laundry
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Speaker 1: mat or the communal laundry mat. Did somebody tamper with
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Speaker 1: the elect with the dryer? I doubt it. That also
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Speaker 1: means it's a different kind of dryer because it's a
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Speaker 1: commercial dryer. It's meant for consumers, which means it should
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Speaker 1: have all the safeguards on it. So the apartment complex,
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Speaker 1: the manufacturer, or whoever sold it to them, everybody is
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Speaker 1: at fault here. Would you agree with that, Sean Nancy?
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Speaker 1: I would. I mean, this is going to open up
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Speaker 1: an a huge kind of worms. So your parents, you're
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Speaker 1: going to want justice for your child. And I think
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Speaker 1: that there are a lot of people now that are
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Speaker 1: going to have to answer a lot of very important
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Speaker 1: questions to work out how this accord, how how this occurred,
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Speaker 1: and for the blame to be laid properly so the
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Speaker 1: parents can see justice. Mum. And by the time the
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Speaker 1: mom got there, Lauren Harard with me psychotherapist joining us
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Speaker 1: from Manhattan by the time the mom got to the
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Speaker 1: little boy, he was already dead. They tried CPR everything
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Speaker 1: that they're scaring. The emotional scoring that's going to leave
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Speaker 1: on the mom. It's not her fault, but she's going
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Speaker 1: to feel like it's her fault. Well, you know this
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Speaker 1: from being a mother, Nancy. No matter what happens to
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Speaker 1: your kid, you always feel responsible. And the fact is
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Speaker 1: you cannot protect your children from everything. How could this
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Speaker 1: child have been protected from this? Um? I guess we
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Speaker 1: all now have a wake up call. One of our instructions.
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Speaker 1: Don't go anywhere with strangers, don't cross the street alone,
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Speaker 1: don't go into a closed contained space, even if you're
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Speaker 1: playing hide and seek with your friends. Right, but this,
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Speaker 1: this could have happened really, I mean, it's it's so random.
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Speaker 1: There's no question that if if in fact, there was
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Speaker 1: no Malfie in seasons and this was an electrical issue
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Speaker 1: in a laundry room in a building, you know, did
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Speaker 1: they maintain their machines? What you know? Did he have met?
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Speaker 1: I mean there is the questions are or just they
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Speaker 1: go on forever. But from the mother's point of view,
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Speaker 1: no matter what other feels responsible, that's it. I think
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Speaker 1: you're right, So Sean, where does the case stand right now?
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Speaker 1: Investigations continue and we're waiting on more updates. A little boy,
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Speaker 1: a tenure old little boy in Houston, Fernando Jr. His dad,
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Speaker 1: his mother distraught right now as we wait for his burial.
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Speaker 1: herself into authorities on Tuesday, April. And now she turned
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Speaker 1: herself in, but she's on the run right now. There
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Speaker 1: is a bolow beyond the lookout for a boy student
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Speaker 1: Oscar O'Neill believed to be with teacher Nicole Jackson, thirty
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Speaker 1: years old, a former school teacher. She was already out
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Speaker 1: on ten thousand dollars bond for sex battery in a
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Speaker 1: position of trust or authority. We believe they are in
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Speaker 1: a dark blue Chevy Impala plate number f Frank R
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Speaker 1: Ralph A Apple for fifty four f R A forty
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Speaker 1: fifty four. Ryan Moore with me from the Hattisburg Police Department. Amazingly,
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Speaker 1: this is more common and more common every single day,
22:45
Speaker 1: Ryan Moore, which way do you think they're headed. Actually,
22:50
Speaker 1: as far as which way they're headed, we really don't
22:53
Speaker 1: have a location on map. That is one of the
22:55
Speaker 1: reasons that we put out the bolo UM. We reached
22:58
Speaker 1: out into anything as far as cry and stoppers that
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Speaker 1: if anybody could give us any tips, even just on
23:03
Speaker 1: the vehicle, even a license plate hit um. We've had
23:06
Speaker 1: a couple of phone calls that have come in trying
23:09
Speaker 1: to get folks that have given us tips saying that
23:11
Speaker 1: they possibly spot at the vehicle or things like that,
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Speaker 1: but so far we don't have anything that's confirmed, especially
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Speaker 1: in our immediate area. The tip line that Moore is
23:21
Speaker 1: referring to six zero one five four five repeat six
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Speaker 1: o one five four five two. Sean Walsh with Daily
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Speaker 1: Mail dot Com, Shaan, let's start at the beginning. What
23:35
Speaker 1: do we know. Look, this is a very interesting case,
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Speaker 1: Nancy and every every parent around me. I don't find
23:44
Speaker 1: it interesting. I find it freaky and criminal, like looking
23:48
Speaker 1: at a tarantula in a glass box. I don't want
23:52
Speaker 1: to let it out. I don't want it running loose
23:54
Speaker 1: in my house. Okay, yeah, I agree. Couldn't agree more.
23:58
Speaker 1: As a parent of two little boys, I would not
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Speaker 1: be happy if this was happening to my child or
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Speaker 1: any one of my children, and I'd be making a
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Speaker 1: massive scene about it. But police have launched a desperate
24:07
Speaker 1: search for this high school student and his teacher, who
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Speaker 1: are believed to have run off with one another. Copson
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Speaker 1: had a spoken Asissippi issued the alert on Monday seeking
24:15
Speaker 1: teaching Icole Jackson, who is thirty, who is currently free
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Speaker 1: on ten thousand dollars bail because she face charges a
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Speaker 1: sexual battery in a position of trust and this involves
24:26
Speaker 1: student Oscar O'Neill. Guys, this is just a boy, a
24:30
Speaker 1: little boy with a thirty year old woman, a married
24:37
Speaker 1: woman who is a teacher, and not only that has
24:41
Speaker 1: taken the boy on the run. This could go sideways
24:45
Speaker 1: in so many different directions. Take a listen to what
24:50
Speaker 1: the boy's mother says, Oscar, if you're looking at us,
24:53
Speaker 1: if you're seeing us on TV, if you will, would
24:56
Speaker 1: you please come home? Please please just come to the
25:00
Speaker 1: You're killing your mom and your dad, you know, can
25:02
Speaker 1: you even imagine your children being gone just like that,
25:06
Speaker 1: and with the teacher having sex with your child. Vincent Hill, private,
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Speaker 1: an investigator, helped me out which way do we look?
25:14
Speaker 1: It's like a needle in a haystack. It reminds me
25:18
Speaker 1: of that freaky dude teacher Tad Cummings that ended up
25:23
Speaker 1: all the way out in the Pacific Northwest in a
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Speaker 1: commune having sex all day and night with the little
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Speaker 1: girls student he took off with. Uh At the roles
25:36
Speaker 1: are reversed here. It's a female teacher. So Vincent needla
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Speaker 1: in a haystack? Where do we go? Yeah, Nancy, I
25:43
Speaker 1: think what we need to do. Hopefully you know, her
25:45
Speaker 1: cell phone is not turned off. You know she's smart,
25:48
Speaker 1: it is, but at least try to pick the cell phone.
25:51
Speaker 1: The bolos already out. I would definitely enter that car
25:54
Speaker 1: in two in c I C. So if it's spotted
25:56
Speaker 1: in any other state and police run that tag, that
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Speaker 1: hit would pop up. Definitely send flowers to local hotels,
26:04
Speaker 1: get their picture out there. I know Jackson is not
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Speaker 1: too far from Hattiesburg. Jackson is another major city there
26:10
Speaker 1: in Mississippi, so they could be bunkered down there. We
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Speaker 1: don't know, but you know, we definitely got to get
26:14
Speaker 1: the word out. Enter that car and in c I
26:16
Speaker 1: see so when lawn floor enforcement sees it, they run
26:20
Speaker 1: that tag, that hit comes up. You know, I'm looking
26:23
Speaker 1: at her as she will caught with me found her
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Speaker 1: child Crime watch dot Com Atlanta juvenal judge and lawyer. Actually,
26:30
Speaker 1: when you look at the woman, she's very pretty. She
26:35
Speaker 1: looks really pale, like her face is chiseled out of marble,
26:39
Speaker 1: long brunette hair. Even without makeup, she looks pretty perfect.
26:45
Speaker 1: And it makes me wonder why this gorgeous, educated woman
26:51
Speaker 1: would fall for or seek out. You don't fall for
26:56
Speaker 1: a child that's a predator, that is a predator. You
26:59
Speaker 1: don't fall for little boy. Okay, the thought of wake
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Speaker 1: up and Ashley, you have a boy about this age,
27:06
Speaker 1: how do you feel like you've got a letter on
27:08
Speaker 1: his bed that says, Mom, I'm in love with my teacher.
27:11
Speaker 1: We're gone. That makes me want to throw up. This
27:13
Speaker 1: case makes me, yeah, angry. Right, So this is a
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Speaker 1: sexual predator. A lot of sexual predators are beautiful, intelligent, educated. Statistically,
27:24
Speaker 1: one out of every four children is sexually abused. This
27:27
Speaker 1: is sexual abuse. To hear the husband say well, this
27:30
Speaker 1: is out of character, this is not like her. The
27:32
Speaker 1: truth will come out. This is the truth. She was
27:34
Speaker 1: a predator. She sought him out, She chose to have
27:37
Speaker 1: a relationship with a sixteen year old and take off.
27:39
Speaker 1: She's a criminal. This is a little boy and his
27:43
Speaker 1: teacher has taken him on the run. Take a listen
27:48
Speaker 1: to the mom and dad describing how their son left
27:50
Speaker 1: a letter behind the bid and now you know, saying
27:56
Speaker 1: he was leaving and moving off her. When I opened
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Speaker 1: the door, I found it on his beach, surrounded with
28:02
Speaker 1: his pizza. He put out of pictures of him and
28:06
Speaker 1: his day, and he wrote a good loud on me.
28:09
Speaker 1: He was telling that he loves us. We raised him light.
28:13
Speaker 1: It was nothing we did. It was his decision. It
28:15
Speaker 1: was his decision. They go on to say, why would
28:19
Speaker 1: she choose our child. I feel like her child was
28:22
Speaker 1: a target. She robbed him from being a youth and
28:27
Speaker 1: a child. I mean, Sean Walsh Daily Mill dot com
28:32
Speaker 1: friend and colleague. When I was this age, I wasn't
28:37
Speaker 1: really sure where babies even came from, and I was
28:39
Speaker 1: pretty sure Santa really did still exist. I was still
28:43
Speaker 1: riding my bike in the neighborhood for PiZZ. Say it's extraordinary.
28:48
Speaker 1: I mean, it's completely unacceptable, and she's abused her position
28:51
Speaker 1: of trust as a teacher. And I don't care if
28:53
Speaker 1: she had resigned or not. This is completely inappropriate, and
28:57
Speaker 1: I'm sure the police are doing everything they can to
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Speaker 1: bring this lady. Well, whoa wait a minute, did I
29:04
Speaker 1: just hear Sean Walsh of deal email dot com say
29:07
Speaker 1: it's completely inappropriate? Is that what you This is the crime, Sean?
29:12
Speaker 1: You do twenty two lay for this? Uh? This is
29:17
Speaker 1: called statutory rate in most jurisdictions. Hello, inappropriate. Inappropriate is
29:23
Speaker 1: when you burp at the dinner table and when you're
29:25
Speaker 1: at somebody else's house. That's inappropriate, Okay. Inappropriate when you
29:30
Speaker 1: wash your hands in somebody's guest bathroom and you leave
29:32
Speaker 1: all the towels, the guest towels, which are beautiful in
29:35
Speaker 1: a big mass and all crumpled up in twist, that's inappropriate. Okay,
29:39
Speaker 1: this is not inappropriate, Sean Walsh. I would argue Nancy
29:44
Speaker 1: that it is. It's completely inappropriate, and she needs to
29:46
Speaker 1: face the when she needs to be. She needs to
29:50
Speaker 1: face the charges that she will be charged with, and
29:54
Speaker 1: she will be no doubt tried, and then she can
29:56
Speaker 1: be dealt with with the firmest hand of the law.
29:59
Speaker 1: I think that's pletely fair. But I mean, I think
30:02
Speaker 1: what gets sivil with these cases? You know. Are you stuttering?
30:06
Speaker 1: Are you stammering? You're stuttering because you know she needs
30:10
Speaker 1: to be in jail. She's blue. She needs to be
30:13
Speaker 1: doing other people's laundry and the ladies the big dollhouse
30:17
Speaker 1: right now. Well, look here's the thing. She probably shouldn't
30:19
Speaker 1: have been released on bail. She should have. She should
30:21
Speaker 1: have been kept in jail, as we can see now,
30:23
Speaker 1: because okay, you know what, that's a whole another can
30:26
Speaker 1: of worms. And you're absolutely right as she will cite.
30:31
Speaker 1: You're the lawyer, you're the juvenile judge. She's charged with
30:35
Speaker 1: sexual battery in a position of trust and authority. Why
30:39
Speaker 1: is she on ten thousand dollars bond? You know what
30:42
Speaker 1: that means. She paid a thousand dollars and walked free
30:45
Speaker 1: a thousand dollars on a sex battery. I guarantee you
30:48
Speaker 1: if this was some growdy old man, he'd be behind
30:51
Speaker 1: bars right now. He would not have gotten a bond,
30:53
Speaker 1: but she did because she's all young and attractive and educated.
30:58
Speaker 1: You took the words right out on my First of all,
31:00
Speaker 1: as a judge, it frustrates me to death that you
31:03
Speaker 1: have a sexual predator who gets out like you said,
31:06
Speaker 1: on ten thousand dollar bail, which means she does post
31:08
Speaker 1: a thousand and she's out. Most people can scrape up
31:11
Speaker 1: a thousand dollars, even if they have been to big
31:13
Speaker 1: borrow and steel to get out of jail. Second, you're
31:16
Speaker 1: right if this was a man, are you kidding? Katie
31:18
Speaker 1: bar the doors hanging from the rooftops, and we're not
31:20
Speaker 1: gonna let him out of jail. Yet here she walks
31:23
Speaker 1: out of jail. They knew she was a risk, she
31:25
Speaker 1: was a known risk, particularly to this particular child, and
31:30
Speaker 1: yet she was able to walk out and run off
31:32
Speaker 1: with him. This is what we believe. We believe that
31:34
Speaker 1: Nicole Jackson the purp, the alleged purp in this case,
31:38
Speaker 1: and her husband, Isaiah I've been married for four years,
31:43
Speaker 1: and that they have two children together. Hello, what about that?
31:50
Speaker 1: I can't even Sean Walsh dailymail dot com. So you
31:57
Speaker 1: risk losing your husband, half of your money if you
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Speaker 1: have any, and your children to be with a boy,
32:08
Speaker 1: a teen boy that was what in your science class? Really, Well,
32:14
Speaker 1: the only thing she's going to gain out of this
32:16
Speaker 1: when they eventually arrest her is a free accommodation for
32:20
Speaker 1: the rest of her life. Ye as I say, three
32:23
Speaker 1: hearts in a cot. That's what she's looking at. Take
32:26
Speaker 1: a listen, Take a listen to what the boy, the
32:31
Speaker 1: little boy's father says. I think my son did all
32:34
Speaker 1: this out of love. He he to me he didn't
32:36
Speaker 1: feel in love with this lady, you know, this man
32:38
Speaker 1: of wife, and h ain't nothing done. You know. I
32:41
Speaker 1: was just like I was saying, I just wanted about home.
32:45
Speaker 1: He feels like he love and I know he's not
32:48
Speaker 1: in love. Child all night? Why would you too with
32:51
Speaker 1: my child? You know? I feel like my child was
32:53
Speaker 1: a target she robbed from all it being the youth
32:56
Speaker 1: as a child. I know he ran out with a
32:58
Speaker 1: school teacher that's been teaching them. You know she did
33:01
Speaker 1: with all this a thought that she would have been
33:03
Speaker 1: in one, you know, looking out to my child at
33:05
Speaker 1: the school and teaching them and not going with me.
33:08
Speaker 1: I don't really know much to say, but just bro,
33:10
Speaker 1: I want justice, you know, and I want myself at on.
33:14
Speaker 1: I mean Sean Walsh, Listen, the other day I sent
33:17
Speaker 1: the children to school with their snacks and it included
33:19
Speaker 1: rich crackers and little squares of cheese. Well, John David,
33:23
Speaker 1: who is a big horse, Okay, Uh, he's bigger than me.
33:28
Speaker 1: He was eating his cheese literally one minute after snack
33:33
Speaker 1: time he got a strike, which I don't know that
33:37
Speaker 1: it really means anything. I think it just scares them.
33:40
Speaker 1: I of course threatened to slash the teacher's chod tires.
33:43
Speaker 1: The children taught me down, and John David was a
33:49
Speaker 1: mama'll never eat a snack in class aget pleased on
33:52
Speaker 1: slashes tired. But can you imagine? I mean, first of all,
33:58
Speaker 1: you have got this is a public school. Okay, we're
34:01
Speaker 1: trying to encourage a higher graduation rate. We're trying to
34:07
Speaker 1: encourage children to grow up and go on to college
34:11
Speaker 1: and rise up as best as they can out of
34:15
Speaker 1: what are sometimes bad circumstances to succeed in life. And
34:20
Speaker 1: now in walks this teacher in love. A little boy
34:26
Speaker 1: can't be in love. It doesn't even know what love is.
34:30
Speaker 1: It's obscene, it truly is, and it's absurd. I just
34:34
Speaker 1: I can't believe. Then the parents are right. They're saying
34:36
Speaker 1: she targeted him. Um, she thought this was forbidden love,
34:41
Speaker 1: but he was a target. Um. And then he left
34:43
Speaker 1: this letter on the bed to the mom and dad,
34:45
Speaker 1: saying that you've done a great job, but I'm in love.
34:48
Speaker 1: I'm leaving. I mean, this is just absurd. This is
34:51
Speaker 1: a teacher thirty years of age who has emotionally manipulated
34:56
Speaker 1: a sixteen year old child. So let's forget a sixteen
34:59
Speaker 1: year old child. This is on an adult. He cannot drink,
35:01
Speaker 1: he cannot vote, he cannot join the army and run
35:04
Speaker 1: off with him. And so the police sound like they're
35:07
Speaker 1: on the case and they need to bring this lady
35:10
Speaker 1: to justice. I don't know that. I call her a
35:12
Speaker 1: lady politely to Ryan Moore joining us, the police spokesperson
35:17
Speaker 1: with the Hattiesburg Police Department, Ryan, Um, did the boy
35:22
Speaker 1: have a cell phone or did the perup, the alleged
35:25
Speaker 1: perp have a cell phone with them? Does their car
35:28
Speaker 1: have any type of tracking device? Have we checked at
35:31
Speaker 1: their A, T M S or credit cards have been
35:33
Speaker 1: used in any way? Yeah, we're going through the process
35:35
Speaker 1: of all that in the investigation. And then also we
35:38
Speaker 1: put that tag number out and you know, we have
35:40
Speaker 1: that going through tag readers and everything else. And if
35:42
Speaker 1: they get to hit somewhere, our agency will be notified. Hey,
35:46
Speaker 1: Mr Moore with me. Ryan Moore from Hattiesburg Police explain
35:49
Speaker 1: what a tag reader is. Um. The tag reader is
35:52
Speaker 1: just a device that is set up in a variety
35:54
Speaker 1: of locations and it basically can monitor traffic. UM. Some
35:57
Speaker 1: of those individuals have them on actual cars. Various counties
36:02
Speaker 1: and cities throughout the United States have those. And basically,
36:06
Speaker 1: if there's a car that a bolow has been put
36:09
Speaker 1: out for a tag number, whether it be a stolen
36:11
Speaker 1: vehicle or a suspect in any type of prime passes
36:15
Speaker 1: through that area and hits on that tag reader, it
36:17
Speaker 1: can notify those agencies and that information can be passed.
36:20
Speaker 1: It's hill private investigator with me Vincent former cop Vincent UM.
36:25
Speaker 1: The tag readers are those the the things you see
36:29
Speaker 1: on the side of the for instance, interstate It's like
36:32
Speaker 1: a pole. This may be for to forti five feet
36:36
Speaker 1: tall and it's got some more rectangular they look like
36:39
Speaker 1: solar panels, but their little rectangular things on the edge
36:43
Speaker 1: of on the top of them. Is that a tag reader? Yeah, Nancy,
36:46
Speaker 1: that's one variation. But as Ryan said, some patrol cars
36:49
Speaker 1: to actually have those on the side of their vehicles,
36:52
Speaker 1: so it goes directly to their UH police computer automatically,
36:58
Speaker 1: so you have a quicker response. Time and another thing
37:01
Speaker 1: Vincent Hill. Of course they're looking at tolls with cameras.
37:04
Speaker 1: But one thing I would be looking at, in addition
37:09
Speaker 1: to motels and hotels would be have they contacted anyone
37:15
Speaker 1: such as have they has he called any of his friends?
37:20
Speaker 1: Have they texted? Have they emailed? I would be looking
37:24
Speaker 1: at that. And if they do send an email. Can
37:28
Speaker 1: you identify I don't think you can where in the
37:32
Speaker 1: country it's coming from. You can only really identify the
37:35
Speaker 1: IP address. Well, you may be able to identify the
37:38
Speaker 1: I P. But the thing with that you can always
37:40
Speaker 1: use the proxy and trigger to make it look like
37:42
Speaker 1: you're in Florida, but you may still be in Mississippi.
37:45
Speaker 1: But come on, they're not that sophisticated. He's a little boy.
37:49
Speaker 1: He's a little boy. But you know, kids sixteen, seventeen
37:52
Speaker 1: years old. My son just turned seventeen. You'll be amazed
37:55
Speaker 1: what they can do with computers. They know a lot
37:58
Speaker 1: of stuff. You know what you're eight. John David is
38:01
Speaker 1: like a little monkey. He runs in the house. He
38:04
Speaker 1: grabs all the remotes and the iPads and this and
38:06
Speaker 1: that that, including my phone, and runs off. He programs
38:10
Speaker 1: everything in the house. You're right. He's incredible when it
38:14
Speaker 1: comes to anything UM computer related, Internet related. So you
38:20
Speaker 1: know what, You're absolutely right, Vincent hild I stand corrected.
38:24
Speaker 1: Ryan Moore with me from the Hattsburg Police. What is
38:27
Speaker 1: the tip line? Ryan? You can call locally here, that
38:30
Speaker 1: would be the Metro Crime Stoppers number at six O
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Speaker 1: one five eight to stop UM. You can contact us
38:36
Speaker 1: on social media. We have a Hattiesburg Police Department official
38:39
Speaker 1: Facebook page. We are checking those again, it's not monitor
38:43
Speaker 1: twenty four hours. But you can also go through our
38:46
Speaker 1: crime Stoppers again that number six O one five eight
38:49
Speaker 1: to stop with any information. I just don't want it
38:51
Speaker 1: to go sideways and end up in some kind of
38:54
Speaker 1: a weird hostage standoff situation or anything happened while they're
38:59
Speaker 1: on the run and worse than it already has. Ryan
39:03
Speaker 1: Sean Vincent Ashley. The search is on. A mother claims
39:11
Speaker 1: her two children are dead after she leaves him in
39:15
Speaker 1: a car on the n degree day to quote, keep
39:20
Speaker 1: to quote, teach them a lesson while mommy Cynthia Marie
39:26
Speaker 1: Randolph lays up on the sofa smoking weed and watching
39:31
Speaker 1: Keeping Up with the Kardashians. What Sean's Daily Mail dot
39:37
Speaker 1: Com what will her new life will be called keeping
39:42
Speaker 1: up with the convicts, because this North Texas mother has
39:47
Speaker 1: now been sentenced to to prison two twenty year prison
39:50
Speaker 1: terms that she'll be serving simultaneously. She thought she could
39:54
Speaker 1: teach her children a lesson by locking them into the
39:57
Speaker 1: locking them in the car. Well, as you would I
40:00
Speaker 1: both know on a hot day, this does not work
40:02
Speaker 1: out well. And she killed her children. And they were
40:04
Speaker 1: so tiny, Shaunwalsh. One was one year old a boy
40:09
Speaker 1: and the two year old little girl in May and
40:14
Speaker 1: they had just gotten home in their Honda Cross Tour
40:17
Speaker 1: and the children didn't want to go out of the car.
40:19
Speaker 1: Do you know how many times we drive home from
40:21
Speaker 1: school and the twins want to sit in the car
40:23
Speaker 1: and finished snacks and taught. And they even sometimes sit
40:27
Speaker 1: in the car in our beat up minivan and do
40:30
Speaker 1: their homework. They get all cozy and slung up in
40:32
Speaker 1: there and they don't want to get out, Like I look,
40:35
Speaker 1: I'm looking today at the temperature in Texas. In Houston,
40:39
Speaker 1: it's gonna be eight eight degrees in the next hour.
40:43
Speaker 1: It will go up. By tonight it's gonna be almost ninety.
40:46
Speaker 1: And she left a one and a two year old
40:49
Speaker 1: in a hot car. I don't leave them in there.
40:51
Speaker 1: I sit there with him in the car. Just go
40:55
Speaker 1: in and work, kick back and have a G and T. No,
40:58
Speaker 1: that's not happening. I know, but no, no, what parent
41:00
Speaker 1: does this? I'm sorry, but as she Wilcott, you're the
41:06
Speaker 1: juvenile advocate, founder of child crime watch dot com. A
41:10
Speaker 1: one and a two year old strapped in their car.
41:12
Speaker 1: What an idiot mother. I'm sorry. She should never have
41:15
Speaker 1: been allowed to have children because she murdered him. That's
41:18
Speaker 1: what she did. You don't freaking leave your kids in
41:20
Speaker 1: a car. And then I love this defense of Oh,
41:22
Speaker 1: I was trying to teach them a lesson there one
41:24
Speaker 1: and two. Like you said, Nancy, you don't teach one
41:27
Speaker 1: and two year olds lessons. You still have to parent.
41:29
Speaker 1: You don't get to neglect. You don't get to leave
41:31
Speaker 1: them somewhere unsupervised. You have to parent them. And what
41:34
Speaker 1: a person goes through, Vincent Hill, private investigator, when they
41:39
Speaker 1: die of heat stroke, it's horrible suffering. As mommy lays
41:45
Speaker 1: up smoking weed watching Kim Kardashian, Nancy, I gotta tell you,
41:49
Speaker 1: when I was on patrol in Nashville, I had to
41:52
Speaker 1: take one of those calls where a two year old
41:54
Speaker 1: had died inside of a hot vehicle. In the sight
41:57
Speaker 1: of that well, literally never leave my head. And ironically,
42:02
Speaker 1: my son went to the same daycare and we pulled
42:04
Speaker 1: him out the very next day because it was actually
42:07
Speaker 1: the owner of the daycare who left her child in
42:10
Speaker 1: the car and it was nine degrees that day. So
42:13
Speaker 1: that's something trust me, no one wants to see. So
42:17
Speaker 1: I can't imagine those officers that even showed up to
42:19
Speaker 1: the scene. And isn't it true, Shawn watsh when she
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Speaker 1: called nine one one, she lied, uh this letter. This
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Speaker 1: woman couldn't lie straight in bed, Nancy. I mean the
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Speaker 1: stories change. She conducted interviews being the poor mom who
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Speaker 1: was the victim, and everything was a twisted, distorted attempt
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Speaker 1: at the truth to ensure she didn't face punishment. Now
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Speaker 1: to Alan, the do you do you joining us from
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Speaker 1: l A. What have you found out about the case? Allen? Nancy,
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Speaker 1: We've been following this story from the beginning and we
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Speaker 1: were reporting this as the mom saying that the kids
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Speaker 1: while she was folding laundry were playing on the porch
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Speaker 1: and she eventually realized they weren't there. She went and
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Speaker 1: that they had let themselves into this car, that they
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Speaker 1: had opened the doors, gotten in the car and shut
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Speaker 1: the doors. I tested that out with my young grandkids.
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Speaker 1: You can't do that at that age. But her story
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Speaker 1: did change. She went into the UH to the detective's
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Speaker 1: interrogation room for thirteen hours. Finally, at the end she
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Speaker 1: admitted that she had knew that they were in there
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Speaker 1: to quote teach them a lesson. She went back inside
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Speaker 1: the cops say, smoking marijuana, taking a nap for two
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Speaker 1: or three hours. And as you say, watching TV. Now,
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Speaker 1: I don't know about anybody on this panel right now,
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Speaker 1: especially you Alan de because you are the one with
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Speaker 1: the pony jo. But I don't know why everybody is
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Speaker 1: in a rush to legalize marijuana. I don't get it.
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Speaker 1: Car crash's fatalities are up, up, up in all of
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Speaker 1: those states. I've been in touch with medical examiners in
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Speaker 1: those states and they say it is inside pan the
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Speaker 1: number of deaths that have now been linked to smoking pot.
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Speaker 1: And here she thinks it's okay to go in and
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Speaker 1: crash high on weed, watching keeping out with the Kardashians,
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Speaker 1: I mean, Shaan Walsh. Of course, voluntary use of drugs
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Speaker 1: or alcohol is not a defense. No, it's not. And
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Speaker 1: I think that this is just one of those horrendous
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Speaker 1: cases where, um, I don't think any jail time is enough.
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Speaker 1: A one and a two year old baby, their babies, Nancy,
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Speaker 1: their babies. And here's another thing that goes toward intent,
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Speaker 1: Ashley Wilcott when she first made up that line that
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Speaker 1: Alan Duke told us about about her doing laundry or
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Speaker 1: something and they were gone, she also tried to set
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Speaker 1: it up to look like an accident by smashing in
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Speaker 1: the car window to make it look like she was
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Speaker 1: trying to save them. Oh, oh, no, she put them
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Speaker 1: in there. Yeah, she did put them in there, and she,
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Speaker 1: I think used that as her child care. I'm gonna
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Speaker 1: leave them in there, go do what I want. I
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Speaker 1: don't care what happens to him. And look what happened
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Speaker 1: to them. They die a two hour nap. Okay. Sean
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Speaker 1: Walsh was the latest what's happening to Mom of the Year?
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Speaker 1: Mom of the Year is now going to be a
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Speaker 1: guest of the local penitentiary for the next twenty years,
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Speaker 1: and some may argue that that's not enough. Oh I
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Speaker 1: can hope is that she gets to do that laundry
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Speaker 1: finally in a nice hot room. Maybe it will make
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Speaker 1: her think back on her children in that car that
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Speaker 1: died of heat stroke and excruciating death. Nancy Grace Crime
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Speaker 1: Stories signing off goodbye friend,