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PODCAST: Episode 761 - Black Sabbath and Ozzy Osbourne "Back To The Beginning" Roundtable Review · Ghost Cult Magazine Podcast

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  None. What's up everybody?
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  How you doing today? It's keep it goes cold meg.com
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  and I am stoked today because today we are reviewing and
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  recapping the back to the beginning Black Sabbath and Ozzy
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  Osbourne farewell extravaganza. I have brought in a cavalcade of
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  guests once again for a roundtable Britney Bunch style,
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  Hollywood Square style review and deep dive as a little
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  smaller group than the last time.
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  But I'm super excited to bring in these guests who are dear
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  friends of mine and peers and allies and comrades in this
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  game. Just first and foremost, there
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  will be spoilers, so if you haven't seen at least clips of
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  it by now, we're going to be talking in depth about the show,
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  our feelings about Black Sabbath and Ozzy and everything under
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  the sun, no pun intended about this event.
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  I'm going to attempt to do the fun.
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  I'm going to bring everybody in one at a time and introduce
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  them. Dooley A, we've got some guests
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  arising arriving here. Thanks so much.
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  Thanks. Jamie.
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  Dillinger Compound is here. Once again, I'm Kefi of Ghost
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  cultman.com. Everybody's links are in the
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  description if you want to follow.
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  And before I forget, there's also a tip menu.
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  If you feel like tipping us, I will put that up.
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  I'm going to kill off the banners for a second and then
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  I'm going to welcome in one guest at a time.
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  And then you'll be at, you know, like, am I in?
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  You are will you will indeed be in.
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  So we're going to do it this way.
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  There's our back to the beginning slide deck there that
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  I created for this. Remember, this was an event for
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  charity. I know people are very cynical
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  and they were constant ads promoting and asking for
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  charity. A portion of all the proceeds
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  merch the live stream, which was apparently seen by over 5
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  billion people, 5 million was all donated to charity.
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  A lots of money was raised for charity.
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  So let's keep the goodwill. You know, I know everybody wants
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  to be cynical and shitty on the Internet.
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  Try to be less shitty. That's my imploration to you
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  all. That's not a word.
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  But here's the guys and here's a little blank screen.
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  So I'm going to bring in one guest at a time.
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  GAIL Worley of the Worley Game. My dear friend, it is wonderful
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  to see you on the screen again. See.
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  You always. Always a pleasure once again.
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  Yeah, I am too. I'm super stoked.
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  This is going to be great. Also, my dear friend and and
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  colleague Ken Pierce of Ken Pierce Media and Piercing Metal.
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  How are you doing, pal? What's going on, Kefi?
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  It's so good to hear and talk about all things Sabbath and
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  Ozzy tonight. Sorry for the noise in the
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  background, Jesus Christ. No, you look pretty.
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  Smart there, I know what. I should take the glasses off
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  because they showed the screen that's there's nothing bad on
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  the screen but it's just annoying to see.
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  Anyway, another dear friend of mine and colleague and Co host
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  Nice glad you're here. Another Co host and colleague of
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  mine on the Glacial Musical podcast and also the host of
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  talking to talk with Don and the blog and book Southeast of
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  Heaven and new album coming soon Don to Lamont.
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  Look. Look at all my beautiful people
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  here. Yay.
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  Hey, hey everybody, Joan Rivers clap.
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  All the superlatives, all the superlatives.
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  I like it. I.
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  Like it? See you can.
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  Yeah, man, it's like a it's like a class reunion.
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  And Speaking of class reunions and class in general, all class
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  all the time. Another good friend of mine, of
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  course, the screen is on cooperating.
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  Hold on one second. I'm trying to welcome you in,
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  Peter, and this thing won't let me.
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  Give me a second. One second.
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  Technology is only good when it's, you know, working.
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  There it is. That's what I needed to do.
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  Peter Wilson of Four trips Ahead and also new solo.
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  Now Peter's here. How are you all?
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  There he is. Hi, you, Pete.
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  How are you? Very good.
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  There was. There was a lot of meddling
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  going on in these last few days. Oh.
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  My God meddling. Right.
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  Medal. So much.
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  Meddling or meddling? Medal.
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  A little bit of both. Well, can it?
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  Would it? Would it be meddling in the
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  metal? Yes, indeed.
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  Not something like that. This is this is correct.
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  Nice word, thanks to everybody who's watching.
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  Apparently Instagram is not working.
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  So the stream Yard continues to have some API problem with
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  Instagram and there's a message that popped up and I have tried
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  to get the IG to go live, but it shan't.
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  And yes, very excited about this.
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  Before I forget and right before I start asking questions, we do
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  appreciate tips here. We do sell some advertising at
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  ghostcoltmag.com, but also we accept tips and I'm going to
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  start doing subscriptions for like an occasional weekly
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  private live stream for our best viewers or whatever.
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  So we have, yeah, give me one second here.
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  Whoops. I'm going to mute you guys until
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  you're just time to talk. But thank you Also.
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  I don't. I do a lot of clackety clacking
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  sometimes, so I'm trying not to. But here's our tip menu.
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  I've put it in the comments should be on Twitch, Facebook
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  and the tube of you. And then, you know, again, we
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  usually plug this a lot harder on our weekly live stream every
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  Thursday afternoon, but I just wanted to kind of drop the tip
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  menu in. Feel free to donate some money.
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  I will split it amongst my friends.
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  That's how I do, just like I do when I host karaoke.
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  So where to begin with this thing?
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  Man, it was very heavy and emotional for me.
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  I watched it all day. I've been rewatching clips of it
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  and other things all weekend until literally right before
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  this stream till 4:21 PM Pacific when I flipped over to turn it
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  off and do our stream together. So I'm going to try to, you
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  know, bring everybody in one person at a time, give them the
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  whole screen to share and talk, including myself at different
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  times. And then we'll just go to round
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  Robin it that way. So I'll start with you, GAIL,
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  I'm going to give you the the conch shell 1st and say just
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  what are you? What were your general
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  impressions about this event and about just in generally?
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  Like, how did you feel about it going in and how do you feel
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  about it now that it's passed? Wow, so much to unpack.
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  OK, well, when I first heard about it, I really didn't grasp
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  the scope of this thing. And when I started watching it
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  and saw the crowd and the expanse of the crowd and I was
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  just like, holy crap, this is huge.
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  And then when Mastodon came on to kick everything off, I was
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  like, OK, who could follow this? This is the best thing ever.
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  I mean, they were, you know, what do they do?
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  3 songs. Yes, they only played three
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  songs. That's right.
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  I was like. I would be good just for these
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  three songs rested on who were just fucking killing it.
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  And Braun Daylor, Oh my God, the best drummer imaginable and
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  singing from behind the kit. I was like, all right, this is
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  it, you know, it can only go downhill from here.
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  And boy was I wrong. It was just my mind being blown
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  over and over and over again. So many great legendary bands.
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  I would say in my opinion, every band sounded good.
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  Every band did Black Sabbath proud with their covers of their
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  songs. I appreciated how they kept to
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  kept mostly to the original arrangements and except for a
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  few vocalists who maybe weren't quite up to where they were in
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  their heyday, I thought every any anybody who watched it got
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  the bang for the buck. Definitely.
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  And Black Sabbath must have been so honored.
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  I'm actually surprised they weren't weeping with all the
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  love they were shown. And Ozzy sounded great and the
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  band sounded amazing. It was just, it was, I think,
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  the best concert of the past decade.
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  Yeah, I think Ozzy cried a little bit and maybe Bill too at
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  one point. Hang on to some more thoughts
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  'cause I'm going to come back to you in a second and I'm going to
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  bring in, I'm going to bring in my buddy Ken and make Ken on the
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  full screen and unmute Ken here we look at that.
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  I can control shit. I don't know you.
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  There we go. Can you hear you?
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  Can we hear you, Ken? Give us your thoughts, Ken.
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  There you go. Give us your thoughts on the
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  event. Were you cynical?
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  That, you know, this, this, this keeps dropping.
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  OK, No, you know, it's interesting.
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  So, so when they, like GAIL said when they announced this, I
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  wasn't sure what to make of it. Ozzy has been in such poor
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  health over the last few years. There was a big question.
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  I know everybody was thinking it will he actually make this in
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  terms of being able to, you know, get up there and and
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  perform so, but on him in a minute.
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  I did not see the entire stream. I was not around most of the
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  day. And so I didn't order it because
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  I knew you only could have it for another 48 hours.
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  And I said, you know what? It's I'm, I'm not going to be
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  around much. I'm going to be around for the
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  key points. And I was able to visit a a
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  friend who had The Who had it on and I watched the key moments.
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  I did. So I saw Metallica, who are
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  flawless, really. I thought Guns and Roses were
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  musically tight. I thought Sabbath is a little
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  out of Axel's vocal register and that's all I'll say on him.
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  I did see Hailstorm. I loved what they were doing.
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  And of course then Ozzy came out when he rose up on that throne.
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  That was a lot of fun and he looked so happy to be there.
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  And his voice was was really strong.
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  And when you hear him doing this stuff in this age and under all
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  these issues, you see just how good a voice Ozzy had.
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  That it was so hard to sing this stuff by all of these other
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  sordid singers that Ozzy is just not a voice you can emulate like
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  that. And of course, seeing Billboard
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  back there with with the drums and Sabbath was was delightful.
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  And he's just, he still got some power to him and his punch.
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  And like GAIL said, I agree. I think Sabbath was moved to the
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  point of, you know, emotional. So.
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  But yeah, I, I enjoyed what I got to see.
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  I'm glad I got to watch some of it.
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  That's it. I literally just lost everybody.
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  Don, I hear you. You can talk.
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  Go. Ahead.
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  OK, there you are. There you are.
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  We're a little technical difficulty there.
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  So, OK, the only way I can describe this is I felt like the
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  Grinch. But like, before and after, like
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  before it started, I was like, they should never have let Ozzy
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  go this long. He's, you know, you know, I
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  mean, I'm sensitive. Ozzy was my boy.
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  Ozzy was my, my, you know, one of my biggest saviors as a kid.
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  And I didn't want to see him the way I was going to see him on
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  this. But I'll be damned if by the end
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  of that show I was in tears. It was, it was moving.
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  I still think it was a little too much, too little too late
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  somewhat. But if they were going to do it,
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  like the emotion was there. And I I mean, I thought
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  everybody did. Everybody had their good points.
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  But I honestly have to say, between Hailstorm and Rival Sons
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  and oh shit, it's already skipping me.
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  But anyway, those two are the ones that stood out to me the
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  most as far as like the smaller bands.
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  I thought Rival Sons was fucking just incredible.
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  And Hailstorm, I don't even know much about him, but I want to
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  know. But it was beautiful to see the
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  crowd so happy, see him so emotional.
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  And I think that that kind of added to the overall feeling of
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  it all. Yeah, like I said, I'm I'm still
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  trying. I'm still trying to process it
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  like and then probably a lot of us are.
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  And then Don's heart grew 2 sizes in his Taylor Swift shirt.
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  It did. God damn it.
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  I don't like feeling good. I.
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  Don't get your feelings, God damn it.
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  And and on that humorous note, let's bring in our good friend
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  Peter Wilson. Great to see you again, my
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  friend. How are you today?
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  Great to be here with these lovely metallologists.
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  So I, I am totally, I have to say, like I'm still, I'm, I'm
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  still moved by it. It was very, I, I was actually
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  really excited about the show. I wasn't so negative about it.
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  I thought it was going to be something really great.
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  I think it was emotionally super important for the metal
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  community. Of course, there's a whole
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  commercial and then we'll probably get into as we go.
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  But I think emotionally it was really beautiful because you
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  just saw how important Sabbath was and is to so many people.
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  So that was really wonderful seeing a lot of my heroes
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  growing up, then paying all my homage to the great Sabbath and
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  you know, Ozzy era Sabbath obviously at the forefront.
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  But it was really terrific to see that.
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  I'm kind of I'm trying to figure out a way for me to be
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  diplomatic. I have a lot of feelings about
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  the artists and who was great and who I could have I expected
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  a lot more from. But I think I know we're going
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  to get into that. But I do think that there were
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  certain moments. I mean, just seeing the, the
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  whole Ozzy doing my mom coming home was, was really rough.
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  It was just beautiful to see it. And I, I felt really totally
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  moved and hit hard and not expecting that, but it was
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  really terrific. And I loved, I loved all that.
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  I love the celebration of those 4 gentlemen.
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  They're still here. I'm still recovering over the
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  final kiss shows from years ago. So then to see Sabbath and then
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  obviously we're starting to think about other heroes are
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  going to go down that route. So I'm, you know, I'm loving to
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  see that people while they're still alive, they're being
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  celebrated. I think that that's super
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  important. We need to do more of that when
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  people are a little more in their heyday because, you know,
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  we're here only once. So it was great to kind of to
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  kind of experience all that. But I definitely feel that there
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  were some people that totally rose to the occasion and they
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  got the queen memo from Live Aid, right?
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  The Queen Live Aid memo, you do your hits, you kick butt and
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  you're out of there. And then there's some people,
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  despite the history of that performance, that didn't get the
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  memo. And I think we'll talk about
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  that as we go. I have very strong opinions.
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  I watched the whole thing and rewatched a lot of parts,
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  sometimes in the horror and disbelief and in other times
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  just really celebrating. So, you know, I don't want to
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  talk any further because I know that we're going to get into our
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  faves and what was not our faves in a bit.
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  But yeah, I'm, I'm excited. I think it's also really cool.
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  And I don't know how everyone else is feeling, but the
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  excitement on social media is really great.
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  And it's like it's vindicating as a lifelong metal head, right?
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  For people that didn't even like any of the kind of stuff that we
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  all loved and, you know, and basically grew up on kind of
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  giving it up and saying, wow, I didn't realize how important
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  metal still is. And we're all like, duh, of
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  course. But it's really wonderful to see
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  even like bigger commercial press having to cover it and
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  really doing a good job with it. So, you know, kudos to to Ozzy
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  and Sabbath and and to some degree, whether I want to admit
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  or not, Sharon Osbourne, right, because she kind of was the
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  centerpiece of pull all this together.
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  And we can talk about, you know that, but it was really
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  terrific. Right on, Peter.
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  I'll put myself up for a second and say, hey, we did get the
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  news today that Sharon is retiring from the music
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  business, probably to just care for Ozzy and work on their other
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  business things. And I have a bonus question.
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  I did not pose in the e-mail that I'm going to pose at the
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  end, which will be super exciting because it's a thing
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  that Don and I get into a lot with Nick Cameron on the
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  Glacially Musical podcast. But yeah, it was very heavy to
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  watch. And it was very like, we've
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  never seen something like this. Metal does not get a lot of
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  public flowers. I, I talk a lot of times about
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  this experience I had. I, I graduated LaGuardia High
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  School in New York City a year after Peter and I came, I went
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  to Bronx Community College. And like in 1991, I came home
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  from school at like 4:00 in the afternoon and I put on MTV when
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  I finally had cable and it was like, and you know, it was like
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  Metallica one. It was like living color cult of
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  personality and even like Anthrax in my world on in the
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  middle afternoon. And this is before the black
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  album dropped. And I was like, what is
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  happening? Why is this happening at four
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  5:00 in the afternoon on before TRL, before the the pop takeover
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  from the Disney kids Like this is insane.
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  And and it's really wild to see the whole cultural zeitgeist be
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  taken over by metal for a few days.
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  Like everybody's post, every single thing trending on every
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  social network, even not metal heads talking about it.
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  It was on the news on a television show.
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  Like, you know, like the whole world is captivated by this for
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  a whole weekend and a whole minute.
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  And it feels really nice. But let's, you know, like I one
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  thing I do want to circle back to the team about and talk about
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  is the technical aspect of pulling off something like this.
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  Now I'm going to give my feelings.
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  I don't have facts on this, but my feeling is there was probably
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  1 backline crew and because of the logistics of everything, I'm
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  guessing most of the bands, even the preeminent bands were not
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  allowed to have their tech people.
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  So I think that's why Metallica, a little bit of technical
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  difficulties, Guns N' Roses technical difficulties.
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  Jakey Lee handed an out of tune guitar.
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  What a shame. So I understand how hard it is.
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  I did love the rotating stage. Now I've seen this done in
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  person at Sick New World 2023 where they have a stage with a
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  back line and a drunk kit, and then they rotated 360 for a
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  whole next band perfectly ready with almost little in between
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  checking just a few tweaks, right?
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  And I thought that was really, well, GAIL, from what you saw.
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  Technically, how did you feel about did they pull off the
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  concert? There were problems with the
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  live stream in the moment. I will say there were occasional
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  dropouts. People complained rampantly that
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  Alice In Chains's performance was not able to be heard for
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  more than half of their performance.
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  And then the sound kind of kicked in.
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  And we did have a lot of freezing and stuff, but in terms
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  of pulling off a huge festival type thing with just these huge
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  Echelon bands all in a row, one after the other after the other
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  with, you know, not the their own comfort zone.
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  How did you feel they all handled it and it?
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  Was I thought it was flawless. I thought it was magical.
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  As a matter of fact, the the fact that those logistics were
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  pulled off so seamlessly or what appeared seamlessly to me was
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  like next level execution on a live event, definitely.
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  And everybody was having a great time.
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  I mean, when you saw those different super groups that had
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  been put together, musicians that have never played together
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  before, they were having the time of their lives and
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  everybody was playing as good as they've ever played.
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  I couldn't. I mean, seeing Nuno Betancourt
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  again after, you know, not hearing about him for 20 years,
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  although I'm sure he has obviously been busy, I was like,
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  Oh my God, he's phenomenal. You know, I, I, I just can't
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  believe they pulled it off. And I've also seen the rotating
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  stage setups at some of the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame type of
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  concerts I've been to. This seemed even better than
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  that. Like, except for, like you said,
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  for a couple of dropouts on the live stream, which has nothing
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  to do with what's going on on stage necessarily.
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  I don't, I just can't believe it happened.
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  I, you know, I probably used this word before.
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  It was really like magic, like everybody coming together
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  because this was a once in a lifetime event.
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  I couldn't believe how good everybody sounded.
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  I couldn't believe how good Black Sabbath sounded because
• 22:08
  you, I mean, I'm a cynical person.
• 22:11
  I always expect people to sound bad when they've been around so
• 22:16
  long and haven't necessarily been playing.
• 22:19
  But look at The Rolling Stones. They sound amazing.
• 22:22
  Black Sabbath sounded better than The Rolling Stones have
• 22:25
  ever sounded. We got a Rolling Stone at this
• 22:28
  thing, which is also. Yeah, Ronnie, that was
• 22:30
  fantastic. Ronnie, would I have to give a
• 22:32
  little credit to my girlfriend because we were both had the
• 22:34
  same brain Thought for a minute we were like, what if Paul
• 22:38
  McCartney shows up and does live in Lake Nye and then does a
• 22:41
  Black Sabbath song Because Ozzy's such a Beatles freak,
• 22:43
  right? Ringo and and Paul are still
• 22:46
  alive, but maybe we were shooting the moon too much.
• 22:47
  But shout out to my girl for coming up with that.
• 22:50
  The only person I noticed that wasn't really traditionally
• 22:53
  metal or Hard Rock was Billy Corgan.
• 22:56
  And he's also not really a a terrific singer.
• 22:59
  But he did a good job with the song he did.
• 23:02
  And of course he's a good performer.
• 23:04
  I was. Not sure he did a good job to.
• 23:07
  Be honest with you, but we'll get there.
• 23:08
  But he did. I thought there were others who,
• 23:11
  you know, if we're going to say who wasn't maybe the best, he
• 23:14
  wasn't the worst, definitely. Yeah, OK.
• 23:16
  You know, that's OK. I think he did a good job on
• 23:18
  breaking the law, not the. Rest yes, exactly all.
• 23:22
  Right, we'll, we'll come back to you, GAIL in a second.
• 23:25
  Oh, sorry, I didn't mean to cut you off.
• 23:27
  Go on. The logistics were amazing and
• 23:29
  too confused. Definitely.
• 23:32
  Right on, Ken, for you, how hard is it to pull off?
• 23:35
  Like how do you think these bands pulled this shit off?
• 23:37
  Like drummers, especially you're, you're a drummer
• 23:41
  particular about your kit and like everything.
• 23:44
  Nobody seemed like they were fussing with their setup.
• 23:47
  Everybody just rocked, at least from what I can tell.
• 23:50
  It didn't seem like, oh, I've got to put this here and this
• 23:51
  there because I don't think a lot of these bands had their
• 23:54
  crews. They didn't.
• 23:56
  There was like 1 crew for the whole event and I think that's
• 23:59
  challenging. But did you feel like from the
• 24:01
  bit that you saw that it was seamlessly done?
• 24:03
  Did you think it was in cups? Tell me what you think.
• 24:06
  Yeah, so as far as the drummers go, I I really think that every
• 24:10
  drummer who was getting ready to play had their hand in getting
• 24:14
  the kit to be exactly how they needed because every single
• 24:18
  drummer that rolled out. Looked.
• 24:20
  Absolutely comfortable in the setup that they have.
• 24:23
  And I've, I've sat on other people's kits before and I've
• 24:26
  fussed around and I've fallen off the chair because of it's
• 24:29
  too high or it's too low or this is too far away and that's too
• 24:33
  close. So it's a real, real pain in the
• 24:36
  butt to get a drum kit the right way when it's your drum kit and
• 24:40
  someone else is in front of you and you, you have like 10
• 24:43
  minutes to set it up. So I really think Bastaf worked
• 24:46
  on his and I think the the drummer for guns, I don't know
• 24:50
  his name, the new guy, he worked on his and, and everybody else,
• 24:54
  you know, especially the Gojira drummer.
• 24:56
  Come on, look at look at, look at him.
• 24:58
  He looked like he was up there all day.
• 25:01
  So but it's a lot of effort to get that kind of stuff up.
• 25:04
  And I think they were flawless in in doing that.
• 25:07
  And of course, Speaking of drummers, you know, I was always
• 25:10
  a marginal casual fan of Black Sabbath as as a younger guy that
• 25:15
  I didn't get into them until late, but I did love what Bill
• 25:20
  Ward brought to the table. So my heart was like skipping a
• 25:22
  beat when that when that stage was turning that one final time
• 25:26
  and you knew it was him going to be up there on the drums getting
• 25:29
  ready to play War Pigs. So it was it was really cool.
• 25:33
  So again, you know, I thought everybody was really flawless.
• 25:38
  I especially enjoyed Papa singing Bark at the Moon.
• 25:42
  And I saw somebody said, oh, he sucks.
• 25:44
  I'm like, yeah, he really sucks. Yeah, sure.
• 25:47
  OK, so, but yeah. Don't read the Internet
• 25:52
  comments. That's what I've learned from
• 25:54
  this whole experience. It's it's kind of, oh, I did not
• 25:57
  hear Slayer. I I saw Slayer.
• 25:59
  I didn't hear Slayer. Yeah, people.
• 26:02
  Maybe it was the feed I was watching, I don't know.
• 26:07
  So yeah, that's all I got on that one.
• 26:10
  No worries. Thanks so much, Ken.
• 26:12
  We'll be coming back to you in a few minutes.
• 26:13
  Don Dilemon, tell me technically as a guitar player, a person
• 26:19
  that also makes music in your room behind you, when I see a
• 26:21
  bass in there and everything on your keyboard, what's it like?
• 26:25
  Like, think about like an Adam Wakeman, who is the only
• 26:27
  keyboard player beside the Mastodon guy the whole day.
• 26:31
  Like to come in there and be versatile and have your gear
• 26:34
  just so. And no one seemed uncomfortable.
• 26:37
  Did you share that assessment? Did you think anybody was out of
• 26:40
  their comfort zone so much that they couldn't overcome it?
• 26:43
  Like maybe the Super groups? How did you feel about all that?
• 26:47
  Well, so honestly, I, I felt like the comfort level of all
• 26:51
  these people was like surprising, but I mean
• 26:54
  surprising to me because, you know, I mean, I haven't played,
• 26:59
  I haven't played the number of shows nearly this, most of these
• 27:02
  people play. But the times I've ever had to
• 27:03
  play on a back line, like literally I had to take a Xanax
• 27:07
  'cause I was like, this is too much.
• 27:09
  I can't handle this. Like, these guys walked right
• 27:11
  out on stage and just plugged in, plugged and played.
• 27:15
  But the thing I did notice through all the bands was that
• 27:19
  they were a lot of times where certain members of the band just
• 27:22
  all the sudden like they'd be, they would just look lost, deer
• 27:25
  in the headlights. And they were looking to the
• 27:26
  stage, which meant, I mean, at least I assumed that they were
• 27:29
  having issues with their in ears.
• 27:31
  And I also know that being a, you know, I'm not a drummer, but
• 27:35
  I do know that it's crucial for the drummer to be able to hear
• 27:38
  what's going on. I saw it a few times early on.
• 27:41
  I saw it with Bill at one point and the Sabbath said you got, I
• 27:46
  saw him just look over. He's pointing his stick kind of
• 27:48
  like I can't, you know what I mean?
• 27:50
  Like trying to get someone's attention.
• 27:52
  Other than that, I mean, that's the kind of stuff you would
• 27:54
  expect it to happen when you've got to show this fucking huge.
• 27:59
  You know, I, I was very impressed with the timing.
• 28:03
  I mean, I think they clocked it. I think they said it was a 7
• 28:06
  minute changeover, like 7 minute, you know, you know,
• 28:10
  turnover between bands, which is unbelievable.
• 28:13
  So it was very mechanical, like they had it down, but it also
• 28:18
  didn't seem to be like to lose the flow or anything.
• 28:21
  If anything, I felt like I got people excited because they
• 28:24
  barely had time to breathe before the next band came on.
• 28:26
  So as far as the stream goes, I put that right up there with
• 28:31
  shit like Ticketmaster and stuff like that where you're like,
• 28:34
  after all these years, you'd think that they would know how
• 28:36
  to handle like extreme amounts of traffic and things like that.
• 28:40
  But you know, you can't always rely on that.
• 28:44
  So again, for something of this caliber, I thought they did
• 28:48
  good. I did have an issue with Alice
• 28:50
  in Chainset though. Same.
• 28:52
  I got maybe, I think it was like 3/4 of the way through wood and
• 28:58
  it was just like, no, no volume, no sound at all.
• 29:02
  So I had to go find an audience film version to hear the things
• 29:07
  that we're cutting out. But yeah, aside from that, like
• 29:11
  I think those are the kind of things that are expected, but I
• 29:13
  thought it was a pretty smooth run show logistically.
• 29:21
  Right, duly noted on that, Don and I will come back to you
• 29:24
  soon. And then on the same note, Oh my
• 29:29
  bad Peter. Oh me tricky figure itchy Peter,
• 29:34
  what do you think about just the logistics of doing this massive
• 29:37
  thing you've performed in bands as a solo artist now more
• 29:41
  recently again, like I just think about guitar players are
• 29:45
  such fucking Divas. Nuno Betancourt is, you know,
• 29:50
  tours with Rihanna extreme. By the way, GAIL has been on
• 29:52
  tour for the last couple years doing what has been a farewell
• 29:56
  tour, right? And or maybe not a farewell
• 29:59
  tour, but like we we have enough time to do 1.
• 30:02
  We're going to fit one in in between Nuno's schedule.
• 30:04
  So who knows if this is it for them.
• 30:07
  But just thought, you know, Jakey Lee getting an attitude
• 30:09
  guitar. Jake, where's Jake?
• 30:11
  That was great. Actually very Spinal Tap.
• 30:14
  But Peter, you've you've seen these kind of things before.
• 30:16
  What do you think? What do you think?
• 30:19
  How do you think they pulled this off And and what would be
• 30:21
  concerning or not concerning to you if you were there?
• 30:24
  So the first thing I want to say and echo kind of what everyone's
• 30:27
  saying, I mean the stage was incredible.
• 30:29
  I was spending a lot of time trying to watch.
• 30:31
  I love that they had the overhead shots so you could see
• 30:34
  the changeover. That was great.
• 30:35
  I played on big bills and festival shows and toured with,
• 30:39
  you know, 4 trips ahead and you know, we've had all sorts of
• 30:42
  incredible situations and terrible situations.
• 30:45
  Sometimes you have great situations where you think you
• 30:48
  also sound like a God and then what's coming out out there is
• 30:52
  not so happening and vice versa where everything on stage sounds
• 30:55
  like crap, but everyone's hearing and saying why you sound
• 30:58
  great. So this kind of, you know, with
• 31:00
  the feeds going on, the streaming with video cameras
• 31:04
  everywhere, with the stage revolving.
• 31:07
  I mean, I, I know that Tom Morello had a lot to do with
• 31:10
  curating and musicians, which I think he did a pretty good job
• 31:15
  of, you know, I could be nitpicky here and there, but I,
• 31:19
  I think that it was a great, I think for the massive amount of
• 31:23
  people and the massive amount of egos that were present were so
• 31:28
  much could go wrong. I think that they did a really
• 31:31
  great job. It seemed like everyone was in
• 31:34
  the space of this is a once in a lifetime thing.
• 31:37
  Ozzy is dealing with a whole bunch of health issues.
• 31:40
  We don't know how much more we're going to have him around
• 31:43
  us. Let's make this like a beautiful
• 31:45
  send off. So I think that that changes the
• 31:47
  vibe. You know, I mean, I've after
• 31:49
  touring for as much as I have and playing live shows and all
• 31:52
  the above, you have to go into the situations going, OK, hey,
• 31:56
  I'm going to do my best. Whatever's going to happen is
• 31:58
  going to happen. And I think that people that
• 32:01
  that attitude was really cool, like, you know, to the point of
• 32:05
  Jake Lee getting the attitude guitar and hearing it right away
• 32:09
  and then kind of going, you know, kind of making a bit of a
• 32:11
  face and, you know, doing his thing and then just going, OK,
• 32:14
  well, I'm here. Let's let's let's rock it.
• 32:18
  I thought, you know, what's that was kind of the whole vibe in
• 32:21
  general. Like a lot of people are just
• 32:23
  like, hey, let's just let's have a good time, let's throw it,
• 32:26
  let's do it. And I thought it was really well
• 32:28
  done. I should think that the crew was
• 32:30
  incredible and the and you know, and all of just seeing how hard
• 32:36
  they were working constantly and they must have been doing that.
• 32:39
  And from what I've seen in the back backstage stuff I've seen
• 32:42
  and, and the days ahead and when they were like leading up, all
• 32:46
  the logistics were pretty incredible, you know, and I
• 32:49
  follow a ton of the people that were on that were actually
• 32:51
  performing. I know some of the people that
• 32:53
  were performing and they were saying that the vibe was pretty
• 32:57
  incredible. So and you felt it and that was
• 33:00
  really great. And I think that that is so
• 33:02
  important because that creates the community that everyone was
• 33:05
  talking about, you know, that we're all part of this, this
• 33:07
  like loving male community and everyone was just kind of into
• 33:10
  it. And I, I think that that was
• 33:12
  really important. It's important for the music to
• 33:15
  go on, not just for like old performers, a lot of the
• 33:18
  younger, you know, groups that are, or the more recent groups
• 33:21
  that have been out. I think that's to show that
• 33:23
  solidarity and to make sure that everyone's sound was paid
• 33:27
  attention to as much as everyone elses.
• 33:30
  I mean, I was super stoked to see my band, my favorite band,
• 33:34
  Rival Sons kill on the day. Performance wise, sonically,
• 33:40
  they sounded. I mean, they sound better than a
• 33:42
  lot of the headliners and it had a lot to do, I think, with the
• 33:45
  energy and probably a lot to do with also the setup, right?
• 33:49
  How direct are you when you have a band like Rival Sons, which is
• 33:52
  very organic, very early Sabbathy actually, right.
• 33:56
  And we were talking, I think GAIL was mentioning how great
• 33:58
  Sabbath sounded. You know, some of it is like
• 34:00
  because it's not that complicated.
• 34:02
  You have great players and they're just 4 entities kind of,
• 34:07
  you know, filling their tone up. Whereas with with some other
• 34:10
  groups that have a lot more going on and maybe have some
• 34:13
  flying in stuff. We'll talk about vocals and
• 34:15
  stuff because there was a lot happening there as a singer I
• 34:19
  can talk about just plaintively. And then there was some group,
• 34:23
  some people had a harder time with it.
• 34:25
  So, but I think in terms of the crew and the production, they
• 34:29
  did an incredible job. And and I think they should be.
• 34:32
  I mean, I hope that all those cats that I don't know what kind
• 34:35
  of crew it is or who was leading it, but I think I hope those
• 34:38
  guys are all working on the highest level and getting paid
• 34:41
  and got paid right, because they were really tremendous and
• 34:44
  helped make this, this event really successful.
• 34:47
  But I mean, to me, this was a great example of how future
• 34:51
  festivals should go with the revolving stage.
• 34:53
  You pay a little more because I mean, there's, it's a lot of a
• 34:56
  lot of years going on with this where you have the revolving
• 34:59
  stages. I've only played in a revolving
• 35:01
  stage once and it was amazing to be a part of and great.
• 35:04
  And I did like a 30 minute set, but it's very, it's, there's a
• 35:08
  lot of moving parts going on. So kudos to them making it
• 35:12
  happen. It cost a lot of money to do and
• 35:14
  to do right. But the audience experience and
• 35:18
  terms of festivals and the left, the very minimal lag time in
• 35:23
  between sets, I think made it really cool.
• 35:26
  You know how everyone else felt. But it was, it was really neat.
• 35:28
  I was just blown away by the turnovers.
• 35:30
  Even the commercials were short and I thought it was killer.
• 35:34
  I think people's patience for anything in between is probably
• 35:39
  minimal. Peter, I'm actually going to
• 35:40
  keep it with you for another couple of minutes.
• 35:42
  Just give me your highlights of both Sabbath and Ozzy and just
• 35:47
  any other unique observations you had.
• 35:50
  I'm sure we're all gonna have. Some feelings about this of the
• 35:53
  of specific. Ozzy set and band and Sabbath
• 35:58
  set just give me we're gonna just knock this out on a high
• 36:01
  and then we can talk about negative shit in the next go
• 36:04
  round. I like that.
• 36:06
  Let's let's say so. So I definitely felt that.
• 36:11
  I felt that the Aussie set was great and very emotional, not
• 36:15
  like any major surprises in terms of songs and, you know,
• 36:19
  doing maybe Mr. Crowley was kind of like, oh, cool, you know?
• 36:22
  But even that is part of such an iconic record.
• 36:25
  You know, we all know the material.
• 36:28
  It's weird. I knew that they were going to
• 36:29
  do Mama I'm Coming Home. But obviously emotionally, it
• 36:32
  was just like, Oh my goodness, the band was killer.
• 36:37
  I love that that Mike Inez played bass for this Hallelujah.
• 36:42
  I have a thing about Mike Inez and Zack Wylde.
• 36:44
  I think that they were like that.
• 36:47
  No more tears, man, you know, ripped Randy Castillo, but that
• 36:50
  band was just out of control. Good.
• 36:52
  They had like a a whole thing other than the very early Ozzy
• 36:56
  stuff. To me, they crystallized
• 36:58
  something. I mean, the, the fan of me would
• 37:00
  have loved, especially with Jimmy Swagger dying, I would
• 37:03
  have loved, loved, loved Miracle Man or something like that
• 37:08
  because I, I think it would have been just so fantastic.
• 37:11
  That's my little inner child thing.
• 37:14
  I would have loved something like that, you know, but
• 37:18
  realistically with what's going on, as I said before, they got
• 37:22
  the queen memo, play the hits, play the things that are going
• 37:25
  to really move people. I thought it was great.
• 37:28
  I do want to say, and I have to say this to everybody, and you
• 37:31
  and and Kefi knows how much I love Ozzy and how important he
• 37:35
  is to me as an entity, as a singer, as a comeback kid and
• 37:40
  all the above. I always root for Ozzy.
• 37:42
  That being said, guys, Ozzy wasn't singing most of that.
• 37:46
  A lot of it was him kind of like he was singing, but there was a
• 37:50
  lot of help going on there. A lot of help.
• 37:54
  And you know what? I'll just be on and I'm a singer
• 37:57
  and I, I want real singing going on.
• 37:59
  But honestly, I didn't care. I kind of knew and I didn't care
• 38:03
  because I was just so proud of Ozzy being up there.
• 38:07
  Whatever Sharon has to do to make sure that her husband, the
• 38:10
  love of her life and this iconic, like once in a lifetime
• 38:14
  metal character is kind of crystallized in the memory of
• 38:18
  literally millions and millions of people in that way.
• 38:21
  She had to go do what she had to do.
• 38:23
  But I mean, it was very clear that he wasn't like, singing.
• 38:26
  He hasn't. But to be fair also, if any of
• 38:28
  you are like, you know, Ozzy and Sabbath fans, he hasn't sung 5
• 38:32
  by himself since the late 80s. Really.
• 38:36
  Let's talk about it. You know, no more tears for he
• 38:39
  was using a background singer. And in the mid 90s, Robert Mason
• 38:43
  was singing, you know, background behind the stage for
• 38:46
  three years. It's just a reality.
• 38:49
  And that's OK with modern technology.
• 38:51
  I'm kind of like, I'm not mad at it because I don't know what
• 38:54
  kind of pain he's going through. I can't imagine physically what
• 38:58
  what his body is going through. Is he yelling and talking in
• 39:01
  between? Absolutely.
• 39:03
  Are there 3 to 4 to maybe 6 voices kind of in between his
• 39:07
  vocal? Absolutely.
• 39:08
  And it doesn't matter because we love Ozzy and it's OK and we're
• 39:12
  all singing along anyway. So that didn't matter.
• 39:14
  And I I just tabled that because I think Ozzy is an elder
• 39:18
  statesman and I think it's fine. And the same went went true with
• 39:23
  Sabbath. I think Sabbath was great.
• 39:25
  Of course, there was the inter me that would have loved to have
• 39:28
  heard like super not or something like that.
• 39:31
  Or, you know, Sabbath bloody Sabbath, which is arguing my
• 39:34
  favorite Sabbath song of the original Ozzy lineup.
• 39:38
  You know, I love that. Like, you know, I mean, we'll
• 39:40
  talk about later, but I love some of the surprises we heard
• 39:42
  earlier in the day. But of course Sabbath is going
• 39:45
  to play the set and they have to play certain songs.
• 39:48
  And, and starting with War Pigs is really hard, especially in
• 39:51
  open air late night. It was the only song I I saw
• 39:55
  that Bill Ward had a little problem with.
• 39:57
  And I think it was hearing and timing.
• 40:01
  Because towards the middle out, he kind of found his groove and
• 40:04
  it stayed throughout, which was really cool.
• 40:07
  And that was that was great. I do want to say, if I didn't
• 40:11
  get, if I don't get to say this Geezer Butler is God.
• 40:15
  If anyone has any doubts of how incredible Geezer Butler is and
• 40:20
  how important he was to the Sabbath franchise, to Sabbath,
• 40:25
  to metal music, watch him in throughout the performance.
• 40:29
  He was incredible. Just settling back, watching
• 40:34
  Bill Ward kind of finding the pocket in the groove, him and
• 40:38
  looking at Iomi all the time, who I also thought was fabulous.
• 40:42
  But I think Geezer Butler was just so incredible.
• 40:45
  Always makes like playing the intricate parts he plays looks
• 40:49
  so easy and so like, hey, no problem, you know, like he could
• 40:53
  be drinking a beer. He could be like lying on a
• 40:55
  beach somewhere. He could be playing these crazy
• 40:57
  Sabbath licks and he'd have the same relaxed expression.
• 41:00
  And I just love it. I love his his whole vibe, his
• 41:04
  energy. I felt like that like he's the
• 41:06
  linchpin and the Sabbath story and it's shown that night and I
• 41:09
  was just so like I kept in my head.
• 41:11
  I kept yelling, geezer, you're just the best.
• 41:14
  So that was really wonderful for me to see that.
• 41:17
  And I think I think Gayle had mentioned before how great they
• 41:19
  sounded. I think that like somewhere in
• 41:22
  the middle of War Pigs, like all the stars aligned and sonically
• 41:26
  it was really great. And that to me lasted
• 41:28
  throughout. And again, like I said, Ozzy's
• 41:31
  vocal was, you know, was fake vocals, whatever extra vocals,
• 41:36
  lots of help, who cares? It was it was Sabbath, it was
• 41:40
  great, it was fun. They're amazing.
• 41:42
  And and like it was a really great performance.
• 41:45
  And like I said, energy wise, I felt it was it was really
• 41:48
  fabulous. So kudos to them.
• 41:51
  You know, I'm a big geezer fan. That's how I roll, Don.
• 41:55
  Let's bring it back to my boy Donnie de Lavont.
• 41:59
  What do you think? Observation.
• 42:00
  Sabbath, Ozzy sets anything stand out to you?
• 42:03
  Anything disappoint you? So.
• 42:07
  Those two sets. Well, so to kind of go off with
• 42:11
  Pete was just saying was that. So I watched both.
• 42:15
  I watched the stream and then I also watched some of the fan
• 42:19
  film videos because I tend to enjoy both and sometimes the fan
• 42:24
  videos, if the audio is good, you're getting a more realistic
• 42:27
  representation of where you're getting and Ozzy definitely did
• 42:30
  not sound the way he sounded in the stream on the live
• 42:35
  recordings. But again, I think it was Peter
• 42:38
  said this is that Ozzy hasn't sounded like Ozzy since 94 and
• 42:43
  even then he was starting to struggle.
• 42:44
  So, but that aside, I, I just, I got hung up in the emotion of it
• 42:51
  and I, I fucking hate that because I always grill, grill
• 42:56
  people for that. Like you don't get hung up in
• 42:58
  the emotion. Listen to the quality, listen to
• 43:00
  the vocals. If they're not good, it doesn't
• 43:02
  matter. You're like, you know, it does
• 43:05
  matter. Because as grandma, as I hate to
• 43:07
  put this, it's kind of like, you know, if the last time you see a
• 43:13
  family member like they're all good and you're happy and you're
• 43:16
  seeing them and then they die and then that was your last
• 43:20
  memory of them. You're like, I'm OK.
• 43:22
  But there's a part of you that kind of wishes that you could
• 43:25
  have been there at the end, you know, to just kind of see them
• 43:30
  off. And that's what kind of hit me
• 43:33
  with this and my Grinch heart, like I was angry at myself for
• 43:38
  feeling. And so it was it, it was really
• 43:43
  good. It was very cool.
• 43:44
  I thought Ozzy looked frail, but you could just see he still had
• 43:50
  that fight in him, you know, and he was loving it.
• 43:53
  He loved being being there. I thought they sound.
• 43:56
  I thought he sounded strong. I thought I thought the song
• 44:00
  selection was great. My mom coming home just had me
• 44:04
  bawling. And but I do have to say I don't
• 44:08
  like his drummer. I never liked Cleftus.
• 44:10
  I don't, I mean, maybe it's just because I'm so used to hearing,
• 44:15
  you know, drummers like Borden and like, you know, or even, you
• 44:18
  know, Bill Ward, who undeniably they have swing, they have some
• 44:22
  they have some air between their movements and everything.
• 44:26
  I always just thought cleft is just kind of felt just like a
• 44:28
  hard hitting drummer. So that's always been kind of a
• 44:33
  thorn in my side. Now, As for Sabbath, hats off to
• 44:37
  Bill Ward because it was a little rough there starting out,
• 44:42
  but God damn. I mean, you got to think about
• 44:45
  how old these guys are, right? And the smiles on their faces
• 44:49
  and the way they were looking at each other for a split second, I
• 44:51
  kind of got a glimpse of what they probably were like in their
• 44:55
  early 20s practicing in a, you know, in Naomi's mom's flower
• 45:00
  shop. You know, like the roughness was
• 45:03
  there. The kind of, at times the kind
• 45:05
  of sloppiness kind of came through, but it was so organic.
• 45:10
  And I don't care what anybody says, but God damn, Bill Ward is
• 45:12
  a fucking monster. Like that dude still hits as
• 45:16
  hard as any drummer I've ever seen, but he does it with this
• 45:20
  finesse in this swing. And I again, like the freak side
• 45:25
  of me, but I've loved to have heard, you know, behind the Wall
• 45:28
  of sleep or whatever. But when I'm looking at this
• 45:31
  list, these were songs that were relatively easy, especially easy
• 45:35
  on Ozzy. So I thought it was also a great
• 45:38
  representation of the songs that made them the kind of fans band
• 45:45
  that they become. And because I'm looking off and
• 45:49
  Bill Ward did take his shirt off, unfortunately.
• 45:51
  But hey, you know what you do you dude.
• 45:54
  Made me feel a little better about what's going on under
• 45:56
  here. Other than that.
• 45:59
  That was it. I was really happy with it.
• 46:02
  Yeah, I think, I think we were all, we were all pretty pleased.
• 46:06
  Ken, what are your impressions of both Sabbath and Ozzy solo
• 46:11
  sets and what would they live up to your expectations?
• 46:14
  Did they exceed them? How do you feel?
• 46:16
  How did you feel following all of that stuff from those two?
• 46:19
  I was ready to play the Oscar music like the Wow.
• 46:26
  OK, so looking at the Ozzy set first, I think I would have
• 46:32
  liked for him to play a different song than Suicide
• 46:35
  Solution from his catalog because yeah, that's a good
• 46:39
  song. But that and that was the one
• 46:41
  with controversy that he got. And maybe that was the the
• 46:45
  thought process behind it, But I think I would have liked to hear
• 46:48
  something else in there. Maybe like Peter had said,
• 46:51
  Miracle man might have been fun to hear because that was a good
• 46:54
  one. And and his register, you know,
• 46:57
  was still fine. I think he was getting choked up
• 47:01
  during Mama I'm coming home because I know I was That's a
• 47:05
  that's a really touching song in the 1st place and and he is
• 47:10
  dealing with all of this stuff going on.
• 47:12
  So but but otherwise just just seeing how excited he was to be
• 47:18
  there. You know, I know he didn't stand
• 47:21
  up at all And you you almost could see that he wanted to or
• 47:25
  was probably like, don't you do that?
• 47:28
  Stay in that chair. You it it was just a great vibe.
• 47:34
  It was like electrical, you know, and of course, you know,
• 47:37
  you know, he's going to do crazy train as his closer and that's
• 47:41
  that's still a bombastic tune so many years later.
• 47:45
  And then, gosh, scrolling over to Sabbath, like I said, you
• 47:49
  know, I was the late Comer to Sabbath grow up, my first band
• 47:54
  being kiss and like Peter, I still lament those those final
• 47:58
  shows too. So I feel you beat on that.
• 48:01
  But so yeah, Sabbath was going to do a core batch of songs.
• 48:08
  I knew one would be War Pigs, one would be Iron Man and
• 48:11
  definitely Paranoid. I wasn't expecting Nib.
• 48:15
  And I think that I think that Ozzy was not great on that one,
• 48:19
  but I don't think it was his fault.
• 48:21
  They thought he I didn't think he could hear himself because he
• 48:25
  was not sitting in the same register that he had sang the
• 48:28
  other song then. So so maybe he lost lost a a bit
• 48:37
  in the ear monitor. But again, you know, watching
• 48:40
  the band with minor technical difficulties because figured
• 48:44
  that something like this would be absolutely flawless without a
• 48:48
  slight error. Yeah, the setup was great and
• 48:52
  the, the lighting and the whole delivery and all that stuff, but
• 48:57
  there was going to be a hiccup here and there with everything
• 48:59
  being like, I'm sorry, I'm getting, I go all fidgety here.
• 49:04
  So I, I loved seeing Bill, who was a lot of a lot of my friends
• 49:09
  first inspiration on drums and again, being a kiss guy.
• 49:13
  Mine was Peter Crist and then Eric Carr and and the Judas
• 49:16
  Priest, the the Spinks. So but to stick with that, I
• 49:22
  thought Sabbath was fantastic. I would have liked maybe two
• 49:25
  more songs from Sabbath, like swap NIB for maybe maybe fairies
• 49:29
  wear boots would have been a lot of fun.
• 49:30
  I think he could have sang that one and and maybe from the
• 49:34
  grave, even though that was done by by Lamb of God, you know, I
• 49:38
  still would have rather have Ozzy sing it with Sabbath and
• 49:42
  you know, but the choices were few and they had to do what they
• 49:45
  had to do and then wrap the whole thing up.
• 49:47
  And I think the key point for me though, is a lot of us of a
• 49:52
  certain age, Paranoid was the very, very first Sabbath song
• 49:57
  that a lot of my friends and I first heard for Sabbath and as a
• 50:02
  musician at a certain time. It was one of the first songs we
• 50:07
  learned to play as a musician with a metal band.
• 50:10
  You know, I learned Paranoid with a with a number of bands in
• 50:14
  the head back in the day. So having that be a lot of fans
• 50:19
  very first Sabbath experience and to watch them wrap it all up
• 50:24
  with that very same song was kind of a just a moving moment
• 50:28
  for me and and that's all I got on it.
• 50:36
  I was caught typing hello hello. Well, I can't hear any.
• 50:52
  That's me. Just tell us how you feel about
• 50:54
  Ozzy and Savage Set and then. I will weigh.
• 50:56
  Into you're great. OK, All right, So I, Peter said
• 51:03
  so many amazing, insightful things that I it's hard to
• 51:07
  follow that, but I thought Ozzy set was kind of the comfortable
• 51:15
  hits that you expect him to do. Mama, I'm coming home.
• 51:19
  You did hear his voice break. And I think that was not only
• 51:24
  because his voice broke, but because he was overcome
• 51:28
  emotionally, as were so many other people.
• 51:31
  And I think that you could tell he was uncomfortable physically
• 51:37
  sitting in that chair and in probably a lot of pain, which is
• 51:41
  why he didn't even try to stand up.
• 51:43
  But I think he pulled it all together to give the best
• 51:48
  performance that he could, considering the circumstances.
• 51:52
  And I thought it was a really good set.
• 51:54
  And what I loved about Black Sabbath was you could really
• 51:57
  hear how that band has swing. There is such an incredible vibe
• 52:03
  when they play together. It's like so many metal bands
• 52:08
  don't have swing and Black Sabbath just, it shows you why
• 52:15
  they're one of the greatest groups of musicians and how they
• 52:19
  really are the kings of heavy metal.
• 52:21
  I mean, you know, maybe Led Zeppelin gets called that
• 52:26
  sometimes, but Led Zeppelin is really heavy metal.
• 52:29
  Led Zeppelin are progressive, Sabbath are metal.
• 52:32
  And they, you know, Bill Ward pulled it out, did a great job,
• 52:38
  was a little rusty at 1st and then they just locked in Tony
• 52:42
  Iommi. It's like he hasn't aged a day
• 52:46
  in 40 years when he plays. He's fucking phenomenal.
• 52:50
  And I'd love that they did nib instead of maybe something that
• 52:55
  was more of a fan favorite because I thought it was a
• 52:57
  really good showcase for what they do and what they do well.
• 53:02
  So I thought, and I, I love that it was like, oh, finally it's
• 53:06
  dark. And now Ozzie and Sabbath can
• 53:08
  come on in the dark. But yeah, it was great.
• 53:13
  You know, I don't, I don't know what else to add to it that my
• 53:18
  companions have not already said.
• 53:20
  It was no worries, no worries. That was great.
• 53:25
  I'm going to keep it with me for a second and just share some of
• 53:27
  my impressions. I did feel like the Aussie set
• 53:30
  was a little rougher than the Sabbath set, and I think it has
• 53:33
  to do with tempo and aggression. And I think it's very easy to
• 53:36
  lean on heavily, extremely distorted.
• 53:41
  Zach Wylde's guitar tone as opposed to the classic Sabbath
• 53:45
  sound. And of course, my mom coming
• 53:50
  home is always very emotional for me.
• 53:51
  I finally can get through the song without weeping.
• 53:55
  I didn't. I got a little like 1 little
• 53:57
  tear this time. But it took me a long time to
• 54:00
  hear that song and not just bawl my eyes out or perform it or
• 54:03
  whatever. And, you know, so also the
• 54:12
  Sabbath set, I wanted to, I think it's very interesting that
• 54:15
  they were very true to the original tempos of the song.
• 54:19
  If you ever seen, if you've ever seen Sabbath live, you know,
• 54:24
  things were much faster for a variety of substances and
• 54:28
  reasons why, you know, maybe Bill was trying to get out of
• 54:32
  there so he didn't get set back on fire but by Ozzy.
• 54:35
  But you know, they did keep true to the original tempos.
• 54:40
  I think both sets were beautifully curated.
• 54:43
  I did notice that there was, I felt like it was a lot of
• 54:46
  Ozzie's voice, whether he pre recorded it or older live
• 54:49
  recordings or whatever. It didn't sound processed.
• 54:52
  It did sound natural, but you could hear Zach singing the
• 54:55
  entire Ozzie solo set of music and you can hear Wakeman singing
• 55:00
  backups a little too. Super interesting.
• 55:03
  Now I'm going to move off of that for a second, stay with
• 55:06
  myself for one minute and we're going to go back around and I
• 55:09
  want to talk about the other bands we haven't talked about
• 55:11
  and it's kind of wild. No one has mentioned Metallica,
• 55:14
  no one has mentioned Guns and Roses, and no one has mentioned
• 55:17
  Tool or Alice In Chains so much. I think Don mentioned Chains a
• 55:21
  little. So I'm just really briefly going
• 55:23
  to say Metallica was brilliant. I wasn't sure how what they were
• 55:27
  going to do. Metallica does not do well when
• 55:30
  they're not in control of a situation, which is why when
• 55:32
  they were doing headline tours and festivals and the same thing
• 55:36
  next summer when they probably will do additional shows, not
• 55:39
  just their headline shows, but festivals.
• 55:41
  They bring their own gear, their own trailers, their own sound,
• 55:44
  and they let the entire festival use their stuff.
• 55:46
  So they use their stuff and they're in control with their
• 55:49
  text, their LD, their sound guy. And they had none of that, I
• 55:53
  think. And they came out with a cover,
• 55:55
  which was brilliant. I think James was very loose and
• 55:58
  not too worried about being pitchy.
• 56:00
  And Lars was very well in the pocket.
• 56:02
  And they were Metallica. They are incredible.
• 56:06
  They are the heirs to the throne, if any.
• 56:09
  They aren't, you know, and they transcended metal, as we talk
• 56:11
  about a lot on the other podcast we do.
• 56:14
  And you know, credit to Pool for even allowing themselves to be
• 56:19
  on the live stream. I thought they were incredibly
• 56:21
  professional and great. Come out with a short hit for
• 56:25
  them. Short song. 6 minutes for them
• 56:26
  is short. Come out with a hit.
• 56:29
  Standard cover Tool way without much embellishment.
• 56:32
  Still pretty great. Surprising and great.
• 56:35
  And then another hit. Enema and out.
• 56:37
  Brilliant. Chains I thought was fantastic.
• 56:41
  I don't know what people are hearing that I'm not hearing,
• 56:43
  but I thought they were absolutely fire and on point.
• 56:46
  Their cover was great. Their two originals were smartly
• 56:49
  chosen because they are shorter. Alice In Chains songs, I think
• 56:53
  they were very respectful of the time they were given.
• 56:55
  I thought William was incredible and charismatic and and honestly
• 57:00
  one of the best singers of the whole day.
• 57:02
  And Guns. I know people have not really
• 57:05
  heard Axel sing. Guns and Roses has been reunited
• 57:08
  for 10 years and and touring for 9, most of nine, 8 1/2 to 9.
• 57:13
  And this is Axel's range now. He can hit notes.
• 57:17
  He doesn't have the power and the depth that he used to have
• 57:19
  vocally. That five octave range is gone
• 57:22
  from cigarettes and whiskey and booze.
• 57:24
  But he can hit notes. And maybe it sounds jarring to
• 57:28
  people because they just remember November rain and they
• 57:30
  just remember Welcome to the Jungle.
• 57:32
  But this is how Axel sounds. And I've seen GNR twice, and he
• 57:36
  was fantastic. So I don't know, you know, guys
• 57:40
  almost 60 singing songs he wrote when he was 20.
• 57:42
  So you tell me who else in the world can do such a thing?
• 57:46
  I'm going to kick it back to you, GAIL, because you did
• 57:48
  briefly mention this, but other highlight bands or All Star
• 57:52
  group performances for you? Who did you like?
• 57:56
  My favorite band of the day was Tool.
• 57:59
  I I just thought they were fantastic.
• 58:02
  I I love Tool anyway, but they they made me freak out a little
• 58:08
  bit and Maynard is a God. I love him and Danny Carey the
• 58:12
  best. I just love them.
• 58:14
  They were great. Mastodon, like I said, blew my
• 58:16
  mind away. I mean, I've always loved that
• 58:18
  band, but I couldn't believe how good they were.
• 58:21
  Especially Braun Daylor, who's one of my favorite drummers.
• 58:25
  I really liked the All Star Band.
• 58:30
  When? Gosh, who wasn't that?
• 58:33
  Now the guy from Ghost singing that song.
• 58:37
  I can't even remember what it was now.
• 58:39
  What was it? Bark of the Moon?
• 58:40
  Yeah. Even though his voice does not
• 58:43
  have a high range, I thought he had a really good performance.
• 58:46
  I liked the way he looked and I liked everyone else in the band.
• 58:49
  That was excellent. I thought Lamb of God did a
• 58:52
  pretty good job with their covers.
• 58:56
  And of course, you know, they're a great band anyway, although I
• 59:00
  miss Chris. And who else did I like?
• 59:05
  I did. I did think Runs Guns and Roses
• 59:08
  were really good. Although like he said, Axel
• 59:11
  doesn't sing like he used to. But he's not 20 years old
• 59:14
  anymore and I think he looked pretty good.
• 59:18
  I at first I didn't recognize him with the short haircut.
• 59:21
  I'm like, who's that? But yeah, he did good.
• 59:23
  And I thought the band sounded great.
• 59:26
  I always loved Duff and Slash, so that was a good performance
• 59:30
  for me. Who else?
• 59:32
  Who did I write down? I don't know.
• 59:38
  Gosh, there were so many. There wasn't much that I didn't
• 59:42
  think wasn't good. I actually, I'm not the hugest
• 59:45
  Metallica fan. I could take or leave Metallica.
• 59:48
  I thought Hetfield's voice is pretty much gone, but maybe that
• 59:52
  was the feed I was hearing where you could barely hear him.
• 59:57
  Gosh, what else? Alice In Chains were very good.
• 59:59
  I haven't really seen them in years and years.
• 1:00:02
  I didn't even know who was singing for them anymore.
• 1:00:04
  I had to look up his name. But he was great and I loved a
• 1:00:11
  lot of the All Star stuff. I loved seeing Nuno I loved.
• 1:00:16
  Who else did I love? I I wasn't so into Hailstorm but
• 1:00:25
  I thought she did a good job fronting the All Star band and
• 1:00:29
  Don will appreciate this. When I first saw the video of
• 1:00:32
  her in that yellow dress I was like is that Taylor Swift?
• 1:00:37
  Because it was far enough away that it just looked like a
• 1:00:39
  blonde woman. But not, sadly, not Taylor
• 1:00:42
  Swift, because that would have been really hilarious.
• 1:00:46
  They missed an opportunity. Dolly did one of the greetings
• 1:00:49
  for Ozzy during the broadcast and how much she loves Black
• 1:00:51
  Sabbath. You know, Dolly's husband who
• 1:00:53
  just passed away, Carl, after 50 years of marriage.
• 1:00:56
  There's a huge classic rock and heavy metal fin.
• 1:00:59
  So she she gave a greeting to Sabbath and Ozzy.
• 1:01:02
  I love you. I wish I could be there with
• 1:01:03
  you. Maybe we'll do it again
• 1:01:05
  sometime. I was like, OK.
• 1:01:06
  But it was what lovely to have her.
• 1:01:09
  She did represent, you know, women were sadly lot not hugely
• 1:01:14
  represented. And Tony is married to a heavy
• 1:01:16
  metal singer also, even though she hasn't done anything in 20
• 1:01:18
  something years, 25 years. But Maria from Drain STH is
• 1:01:22
  Tony's wife. But you know, fantastic to have
• 1:01:27
  Dolly there. And I thought Lizzie Hale did a
• 1:01:29
  great job. She's a little maligned.
• 1:01:31
  They have a new record coming out.
• 1:01:34
  She's talented, she's just not my thing, but she makes some
• 1:01:38
  serious ass and they're the set was good for if you like that.
• 1:01:41
  Band, they are the band that has a new record coming soon, them
• 1:01:45
  and Gojira. So I think we'll be interesting
• 1:01:48
  to see if the. Same hero were amazing, I love
• 1:01:52
  Kira. Yeah, I was actually annoyed
• 1:01:54
  that they played where they did in this in the running order.
• 1:01:57
  But like, it makes sense now that you think.
• 1:01:58
  I think a lot of this stuff, I didn't talk about this.
• 1:02:00
  I think a lot of this stuff was based on streaming numbers and
• 1:02:03
  not like album sales or history. But anyhow, good stuff from you,
• 1:02:07
  GAIL. I'm going to kick it over to
• 1:02:08
  Ken. Ken, tell me, I know you didn't
• 1:02:11
  see Slayer, which is OK Who did you see that you enjoyed?
• 1:02:14
  What were your impressions of, you know, some of the other
• 1:02:17
  bands? Not Sabbath and.
• 1:02:19
  So like I said, since I was, I was really not, I glued to it.
• 1:02:23
  So I, I did see some Slayer. Like I said, I was watching
• 1:02:28
  through Facebook feeds and I would scroll through and I, I
• 1:02:31
  knew about 5 people there and then unfortunately every single
• 1:02:34
  one of them put up like a clip or or two of every band.
• 1:02:39
  I guess before that all got shot down.
• 1:02:41
  I thought Lamb of God was tight. They're always tight.
• 1:02:45
  Kind of weird hearing them do a SAB song but that's what
• 1:02:49
  everybody was there for. Slayer, like I said was was
• 1:02:54
  another lesson in brutality, but I really didn't hear them via
• 1:02:57
  the way I was watching it. I thought Metallica was
• 1:03:01
  flawless. I would have liked them to play
• 1:03:03
  maybe 2 Sabbath songs instead of like all of their hits and one
• 1:03:07
  Sabbath song. I did love Papa singing Bark at
• 1:03:12
  the Moon. I was blown away by Steven Tyler
• 1:03:15
  singing Led Zeppelin when he retired, saying he could never
• 1:03:19
  sing again. That was pretty wild.
• 1:03:21
  So yeah, wow. And no, that's not typing.
• 1:03:28
  I'm banging. Sorry, Don.
• 1:03:33
  Let's see. I liked what I saw from
• 1:03:38
  Hailstorm, but I didn't see Anthrax.
• 1:03:40
  I didn't see Tool. I felt bad about that.
• 1:03:43
  I didn't see Pantera. So, you know, I liked, I liked
• 1:03:47
  all of those, you know, and that was fine for me.
• 1:03:49
  And I'm I, I have to imagine that this whole thing will be on
• 1:03:53
  a DVD of some kind to purchase. And I will buy it in a heartbeat
• 1:03:58
  just to, you know, just to own it for historical purposes.
• 1:04:03
  But. But yeah, I thought the whole
• 1:04:06
  thing was very impressive, you know, so.
• 1:04:10
  Right on. Allow me to jump in and say that
• 1:04:12
  at ghostcoltmag.com at the pin post, we have a recap of the
• 1:04:15
  entire show written by a coloner.
• 1:04:17
  Omar Cut this Cordy and we have all the set lists and all the
• 1:04:21
  guests of the Super groups if you want to refresh yourself and
• 1:04:24
  things like that. I thought I might have mentioned
• 1:04:26
  that before we all joined Don de Lamont.
• 1:04:29
  Tell me about the other bands you are Donnie Hot take in the
• 1:04:33
  chat. So tell me Don was not there.
• 1:04:37
  So Don is very disappointed that Don Dawkin was not invited.
• 1:04:40
  But tell me who you liked, didn't like, who was a stand out
• 1:04:44
  for you, who you definitely had some opinions about, who was not
• 1:04:47
  good. Man, Don Dawkin would have been
• 1:04:49
  breaking the chains though. Man, that would have been great.
• 1:04:51
  But anyway, and so I made little bullets because I can go
• 1:04:55
  rambling on ADHD Don, everybody knows, so I'm just going to read
• 1:04:59
  for each of my bullets real quick.
• 1:05:00
  So for Mastodon, I basically thought they started off really
• 1:05:03
  strong. I was like, what a great fucking
• 1:05:06
  like opening band. Like they came out, you know,
• 1:05:10
  shit flying already. Like they just didn't even ease
• 1:05:13
  into it. They just went right into it.
• 1:05:14
  I thought they were great. By the time the second song I
• 1:05:17
  was a little annoyed. I don't love them, never really
• 1:05:20
  did. I don't think that they're bad,
• 1:05:23
  I just, I just never really liked them sonically.
• 1:05:26
  And by the time the second song was halfway through, I
• 1:05:29
  remembered why. But that cover of Super Not was
• 1:05:32
  incredible. And I love the fact that their
• 1:05:34
  drummer sings better than Troy, which is pretty funny.
• 1:05:37
  So Rival Sons, though, that is a killer example of a band who you
• 1:05:43
  can tell has a Sabbath influence, but they don't
• 1:05:46
  necessarily wear it on their sleeve until they play a Sabbath
• 1:05:50
  song and then you fucking know that they can pack a punch.
• 1:05:53
  I Rival Sons has always been just a class act band.
• 1:05:58
  I've seen them four times. Never saw a bad show by them.
• 1:06:02
  And I, I, I don't know, they're just, they were great.
• 1:06:05
  I thought they did good. I think they were a little bit
• 1:06:07
  of the odd man out with the lineup, but it was really cool
• 1:06:11
  to watch the fans, you know, the audience, really grasp onto
• 1:06:14
  them. I thought Anthrax was fucking
• 1:06:17
  incredible. I've never seen Anthrax with
• 1:06:19
  Belladonna play a bad show, and Into the Void was fucking off
• 1:06:24
  the charts good. And Scott Ian's guitar tone, how
• 1:06:28
  he mimicked Tony's tone was just incredible.
• 1:06:32
  And he has got to be the best rhythm guitar player in metal
• 1:06:36
  since Hetfield isn't anymore. So I thought they were great.
• 1:06:41
  Hailstorm like that woman Lizzie Hale.
• 1:06:44
  Her voice alone could headline a stadium.
• 1:06:47
  I I wish the songs were as good as they are.
• 1:06:52
  Like they're an incredible band. I thought their original stuff
• 1:06:56
  didn't really hit very hard, but they made Perry Mason actually
• 1:07:00
  sound like a good song, which I thought was mind blowing.
• 1:07:03
  It was so great. Lamb of God not my thing.
• 1:07:07
  I've tried again, just not my deal.
• 1:07:10
  But I will say I love them. I it's hard to they're like,
• 1:07:14
  it's like Foo Fighters. Like I hate the music but I love
• 1:07:18
  girl. That's kind of how I feel about
• 1:07:20
  Lamb of God as a whole. I thought Children of the Grave
• 1:07:23
  was good, wasn't great because he was trying to sing at 1st and
• 1:07:28
  it didn't really work. So aside from that Alice In
• 1:07:33
  Chains was fucking stellar. I thought they were great.
• 1:07:35
  No, no big notes there, but Duvall is a class act with the
• 1:07:40
  fringe jacket which was incredible.
• 1:07:43
  Then we also had I don't want to go into all the the jam bands or
• 1:07:48
  whatever they were doing. Pantera.
• 1:07:50
  Disappointing. I know I'm probably a get beat
• 1:07:54
  up for this but I will die on that hill.
• 1:07:56
  I thought they were just not great.
• 1:07:58
  Coming to dawn coming. I couldn't.
• 1:08:02
  It was disappointing about them. Let me hear you tell tell.
• 1:08:04
  I couldn't even make it through the sentence.
• 1:08:06
  But actually, you know what it was, was that it was that I, I
• 1:08:10
  think that I just struggle with Pantera because to me they were
• 1:08:14
  such a great fucking band at one time.
• 1:08:17
  It it just didn't sound good to me.
• 1:08:19
  Like they sounded tired. Like Zach.
• 1:08:22
  Zach just sounded kind of sloppy.
• 1:08:24
  He sounded off especially during Cowboys from Hell.
• 1:08:27
  Like it seemed like a lot of times he was kind of struggling,
• 1:08:31
  kind of fumbling around. I, I didn't think their energy
• 1:08:34
  was was very good, which was disappointing to me.
• 1:08:38
  And I thought Planet Caravan was a horrible, horrible choice of a
• 1:08:43
  song for them to play. It did not translate well at all
• 1:08:46
  in a live setting. I love the version off of Far
• 1:08:49
  Beyond Driven, but I just did not think it sounded great.
• 1:08:53
  And I also think that they kind of fell flat on electric
• 1:08:56
  funeral, especially since rival sons had did it earlier in the
• 1:09:00
  day and did it like 5 times better.
• 1:09:04
  I'm still kind of annoyed that they actually repeated a cover.
• 1:09:07
  I mean, you know, I'm. Surprised there weren't more
• 1:09:09
  covers repeated actually. I had thought like maybe there
• 1:09:12
  would be no repeats the whole day and it would be deep cuts
• 1:09:15
  and other shit, but no. Yeah.
• 1:09:18
  Don, unless you have anything else.
• 1:09:20
  No, I was just going to say just just in a nutshell.
• 1:09:22
  Tool blew my mind. Makes me want to deep dive into
• 1:09:25
  them because I never have. I keep forgetting to Slayer with
• 1:09:29
  Slayer. They're a consistently good in
• 1:09:30
  Wicked World. It was great to hear Carrie King
• 1:09:33
  actually play a guitar. Guns and Roses I could have done
• 1:09:36
  without Metallica. What did you say to me about
• 1:09:39
  Carrie in the chat though? In the private chat.
• 1:09:42
  What did I say about King? Yeah, Carrie King.
• 1:09:46
  I can't get this image out of my head, but Carrie King looks like
• 1:09:48
  he's one of those guys that if you went to high school with
• 1:09:50
  him, he's all tough looking and he's like this.
• 1:09:54
  But then you could just walk over to him and get in his face
• 1:09:57
  and then take a mozzarella stick off his plate and eat it and he
• 1:10:00
  would just look sad. You know I drink your milkshake,
• 1:10:03
  Carrie. And he would just be like, be
• 1:10:05
  like, oh man, it was mine. But anyway, it was great to hear
• 1:10:08
  him play like that. And I thought Slayer.
• 1:10:10
  I mean, I thought Metallica was just disappointing to me.
• 1:10:13
  All right, fair enough. Fair enough.
• 1:10:15
  Going all over to Peter. Peter, how many years has Tom
• 1:10:19
  Araya aged in the last five years?
• 1:10:21
  Like 100? Oh my God.
• 1:10:25
  Right. Am I alone here on this or what?
• 1:10:27
  No. No, no, it's weird.
• 1:10:29
  I felt like he turned a corner and never came back right.
• 1:10:32
  He was weird, like he was like fine, and then all of a sudden
• 1:10:34
  wasn't. But I have theories about that,
• 1:10:38
  which I will not repeat on the show.
• 1:10:40
  But so here's how I'm feeling And there I love that that Don
• 1:10:45
  like broke it down. I I was like nodding my head and
• 1:10:48
  shaking my head and disagreeing and agreeing with some of the
• 1:10:51
  Don stuff. Here's how I felt and and I'm
• 1:10:53
  going to jump into the bands I really loved and the ones that
• 1:10:57
  was kind of like, I assume that you want to do it that way.
• 1:11:01
  So I thought I was super excited that my boys, rival sons came
• 1:11:05
  out and ruled the day for me. I think that they probably I'm
• 1:11:09
  hoping they picked up a host of fans.
• 1:11:11
  I thought that Don did a great job breaking down like they were
• 1:11:14
  kind of a little bit of the odd man out.
• 1:11:16
  But you, if you really listen to Rival Sons, you wouldn't be that
• 1:11:19
  weirded out because you'd know their first, maybe 4, maybe 5
• 1:11:23
  Sabbath records. Definitely important in their
• 1:11:26
  formation. You heard it when they, you
• 1:11:28
  know, when, when they were playing and they did the covers
• 1:11:31
  and the the cover. They did.
• 1:11:32
  And I just thought they were. I thought they were tremendous
• 1:11:36
  all around. I also think sonically they
• 1:11:37
  sounded amazing. They sounded huge and I was
• 1:11:40
  really happy for them. The other band I thought sounded
• 1:11:44
  great. Keith, I think you mentioned
• 1:11:45
  them. I thought Alice In Chains was
• 1:11:47
  fantastic. I think Willem Duvall proves
• 1:11:50
  time and time again to to put on the shoes of a lead singer that
• 1:11:54
  in in that in his place. I mean, Lane Staley was so
• 1:11:58
  iconic, such a unique, powerful, important voice for, you know,
• 1:12:02
  like, by all intents and purposes, my generation and a
• 1:12:06
  lot of the music I was listening to.
• 1:12:08
  I got to see Alice In Chains the first time they played in New
• 1:12:11
  York, opening up for Extreme at the Cat Club and to watch them
• 1:12:14
  just rocket and do all sorts of things.
• 1:12:17
  And we and we lost that voice. And for Willem Duvall to step in
• 1:12:21
  and to now put out these great Alice In Chains records are a
• 1:12:25
  little bit different, but still in the wheelhouse and then take
• 1:12:27
  control. Like people were just all about
• 1:12:29
  it from the beginning. I think his performance is
• 1:12:31
  great. I know the feeds for different
• 1:12:33
  people was out. I thought they were terrific
• 1:12:36
  though, and they got the memo. They they they went there and
• 1:12:38
  they rocked it. I was super proud.
• 1:12:40
  I'm going to be now I'm going to say a bunch of things.
• 1:12:42
  I think there were a bunch of bands on the bill that were fine
• 1:12:45
  sonically, but performance wise were flat for me.
• 1:12:49
  In other words, they sounded great.
• 1:12:50
  There's nothing wrong with them, but I felt like on a day like
• 1:12:53
  this, I wanted them to be superstar bands for those few
• 1:12:57
  minutes they're on stage. So I felt that way about Tool.
• 1:13:00
  They played fine. They were great technically,
• 1:13:03
  didn't knock me out. Pantera for me felt flat, as Don
• 1:13:09
  was saying. I felt that.
• 1:13:10
  I agreed with Don. I felt they sound a little
• 1:13:12
  tired. But to show you the power of
• 1:13:14
  metal, they went over so well because those songs are so
• 1:13:18
  great. And I think especially their
• 1:13:20
  original stuff that they play, you know, when they did walk,
• 1:13:23
  people were like all about it. And you know, Phil's voices
• 1:13:27
  neither here nor there, but they were an example to me.
• 1:13:30
  I expected a little bit more from them and they kind of fell
• 1:13:32
  flat. I'm a huge Anthrax fan, love
• 1:13:35
  them. I think their energy was great.
• 1:13:37
  The sound wasn't terrific for them.
• 1:13:39
  So I felt like like I couldn't hear Frank Bellows bass at all.
• 1:13:44
  And I felt they kind of came off a little bit flat as a result
• 1:13:48
  too, even though they played fine.
• 1:13:51
  But I agree kind of with what people saying, like Kefi, if
• 1:13:54
  you're talking about the original, like the top bands of
• 1:13:56
  the day, Metallica, you know, yeah, I mean, they're they're a
• 1:13:59
  little more corporate kind of metal band.
• 1:14:03
  You know, they're standing on their own precipice, so to
• 1:14:05
  speak. They they delivered.
• 1:14:07
  They were totally professional. Sounded good.
• 1:14:09
  Looked really cool when they came out.
• 1:14:12
  We're having a good time. I I thought their set was a
• 1:14:14
  little long. I would have liked them to play
• 1:14:17
  less again. They did not get the Queen memo.
• 1:14:20
  Play Less songs come out and destroy me.
• 1:14:23
  Battery was great. They should have done Battery,
• 1:14:25
  They should have done Master of Puppets and Junior's Eyes like
• 1:14:28
  they did and that's it. I think it would have been
• 1:14:30
  fantastic. I would have liked maybe an
• 1:14:32
  extra Aussie or Saba song as a result, because I mean, we see
• 1:14:36
  Metallica all the time, so I kind of felt like I didn't need
• 1:14:39
  to see any more on that. But I and I wanted to say
• 1:14:42
  something about Hailstorm because a lot of people were
• 1:14:45
  talking about it and I just want to make one quick comment about
• 1:14:47
  the jams. I think Lizzie, Lizzie Hale is a
• 1:14:50
  terrific instrument. I think she overused it and I
• 1:14:53
  don't remember who said it, but someone was talking about having
• 1:14:56
  better songs and I feel like maybe it was Kenny mentioned
• 1:14:59
  that or maybe it was GAIL. But I felt the same way.
• 1:15:02
  I felt like her voice is very powerful and I love her.
• 1:15:06
  Her whole front woman thing, I think she overdoes it and
• 1:15:10
  reminds me that she can sing all the time.
• 1:15:12
  I think if she has better songs, they're going to be like
• 1:15:15
  Untouchable because they're really, they're super talented.
• 1:15:18
  I just think the songs are a little like whatever but very
• 1:15:21
  good at what they do. And I also want to say I thought
• 1:15:25
  Gojira was incredible sonically. I thought they sound great.
• 1:15:28
  I think their performance was good.
• 1:15:29
  Same like with Mastodon, they were good, good performances,
• 1:15:32
  powerful. Didn't knock me out though.
• 1:15:35
  They were just like they were good but I want a little more.
• 1:15:39
  I do want to say this in terms of the jam band stuff, I thought
• 1:15:42
  Steven Tyler totally knocked me out and was a welcome surprise
• 1:15:46
  because of all Stevens problems vocally and what happened to him
• 1:15:50
  and all sorts of stuff. So to see him sound that great
• 1:15:54
  and I know Keith, I think you mentioned who sounds as good
• 1:15:57
  like with Axl Rose, who sounds as good 40 years later, Steven
• 1:16:00
  Tyler apparently does. I mean, that was pretty
• 1:16:05
  phenomenal and and I think he knew that he had it and he was
• 1:16:09
  you can see that he was really excited about performing for
• 1:16:12
  people again. So that was really cool to see
• 1:16:14
  that. I didn't anticipate that and him
• 1:16:16
  and Nuno were killing it. I know that they've done that
• 1:16:18
  stuff in the past. They sounded great and really in
• 1:16:21
  the pocket. I want to say two things with
• 1:16:23
  two people that sounded terrible and are people that I love.
• 1:16:27
  Sammy Hagar, if you're going to do Flying High again, learn the
• 1:16:31
  song. Learn the song, dude.
• 1:16:34
  You can still sing. You're you're, you're still,
• 1:16:37
  you're an icon. You know, if you did Montrose
• 1:16:40
  alone the first album and nothing else, I would adore you.
• 1:16:44
  But you have such a storied career.
• 1:16:46
  You couldn't take 20 minutes and a half an hour and learn the
• 1:16:49
  damn song, or at least kind of know the melodies.
• 1:16:53
  I mean, super, super disappointing and kind of
• 1:16:55
  unacceptable as a person that level and that kind of stage and
• 1:16:59
  what was going on and such a great song and kind of perfect
• 1:17:03
  for your voice. Totally ruined it.
• 1:17:05
  I was really, really actually annoyed with him, angry at him
• 1:17:09
  because I expect much more from him.
• 1:17:12
  Axl Rose, dude, if you're if you if you can't like really sing
• 1:17:17
  the way you're doing, you can't pick Sabbath bloody Sabbath and
• 1:17:20
  you have to stay on the beat. It was terrible and it was
• 1:17:24
  really embarrassing and his the set that they did was really
• 1:17:27
  weird, like him trying to do almost an Elton John thing in
• 1:17:30
  the beginning. Dude, you're on the metals
• 1:17:32
  biggest stage. Go go there.
• 1:17:35
  Just do what you guys do. I mean, really, I felt like
• 1:17:38
  those two things were pretty terrible, but the worst of the
• 1:17:42
  evening and I'm and I'm not a hater.
• 1:17:44
  I'm actually a huge Smashing Pumpkins fan, especially the
• 1:17:47
  first like 6 or 7 records. Billy, my brother, if you're
• 1:17:52
  going to be on stage, if you're going to be on that kind of
• 1:17:55
  stage, you can't pick Halford song, Halford song to do out of
• 1:17:59
  the gate and and sing like that. You can't.
• 1:18:02
  Or just play your Flying V and Rocket, have someone else sing
• 1:18:05
  lead because he's a solid rhythm guitar player and he's always
• 1:18:08
  been an unabashed metal fan. But Billy, that was atrocious.
• 1:18:13
  It wasn't bad. It was absolutely atrocious and
• 1:18:15
  unacceptable. I think his breaking the law
• 1:18:18
  wasn't as bad as the Sabbath stuff was just fucking
• 1:18:21
  unbelievably terrible. I I agree, I think.
• 1:18:24
  The breaking the law is at least in his range.
• 1:18:27
  And. Just what the fuck?
• 1:18:29
  Like, OK, Tom Morello, you got to take an LA little bit on
• 1:18:32
  this, Peter, that was great. I'm going to I'm going to rap
• 1:18:35
  for a second before I we, we're going to go back to the we're
• 1:18:39
  getting a few more questions to get through and we're going to
• 1:18:42
  address the controversy with Sharon in a second and who was
• 1:18:45
  kicked off because we know who it is now.
• 1:18:48
  I think we have we have a good idea who it is.
• 1:18:51
  Yeah, Man, Corgan was fucking terrible.
• 1:18:53
  Some of these choices were. I don't need.
• 1:18:55
  I understand that Ozzy's a Montrose fan.
• 1:19:00
  Fuck rock candy. I don't want to hear this song.
• 1:19:02
  I'm a hater. I don't like Hagar.
• 1:19:04
  Everyone knows I'm Van Halen, not Van Agar only, but you know,
• 1:19:08
  Ben Hagar has some songs and he's a good singer and I'm not
• 1:19:11
  going to be a complete Dick about it, but like, he sucked
• 1:19:14
  and I don't want to hear fucking rock candy for 6 minutes.
• 1:19:17
  Fucking no. Tyler shocked me, but let's not
• 1:19:21
  fucking, you know, trip over our own Dicks for a second here.
• 1:19:25
  And I don't, you know, Joe Perry then tweeting like, maybe we
• 1:19:28
  should come back. No, you shouldn't.
• 1:19:30
  You stop for a reason. This guy can't tour.
• 1:19:32
  He tried to sing Back in the Saddle as the first song on the
• 1:19:35
  set every night and blew his voice out almost permanently.
• 1:19:38
  They're like you might never talk again if you keep doing
• 1:19:40
  this. So like, I don't want him to
• 1:19:42
  come back. Like let that be the exclamation
• 1:19:45
  point on an otherwise great career for a pretty mid guy, a
• 1:19:48
  creepy pet sex test guy. But you know, I love Aerosmith.
• 1:19:52
  America doesn't have really that many legend status bands after
• 1:19:55
  Metallica, right? And and Aerosmith.
• 1:19:57
  So Corgan was horribly mis miscast.
• 1:20:04
  And I think Travis Barker, other than when he played with the
• 1:20:07
  Super group, the drum off was whacked.
• 1:20:09
  He was. He over when he was not
• 1:20:11
  prepared. He over he didn't practice a
• 1:20:13
  song, you could tell. And then he like overplayed his
• 1:20:17
  solo and overplayed his time in the solo and during.
• 1:20:21
  If you watch the camera reaction, Chad Smith is next to
• 1:20:24
  him and he's like, whatever, this guy sucks.
• 1:20:26
  Fuck this, I'm going to do my solo.
• 1:20:28
  Chad was ready, Danny was ready. He going to show up and not be
• 1:20:31
  ready. You just show up because I'm
• 1:20:32
  cool. Like I don't need him there.
• 1:20:34
  I understand that he's a huge, iconic international producer
• 1:20:38
  and Blink is huge, right? And it's cool to have a younger
• 1:20:41
  punk rock guy be there and say that he was inspired by Bill
• 1:20:44
  Ward and stuff. But or Puffy or Castillo or any
• 1:20:47
  of these great drummers. I'm going to.
• 1:20:50
  Before we talk about who was kicked off, I do want to address
• 1:20:53
  the elephant in the room. Only Aussie Sabbath was played.
• 1:20:57
  I had predicted this. So pat on the back to me.
• 1:21:00
  I'm going to break my hand off patting myself on the back.
• 1:21:03
  No deal, no Gillan, no Tony Martin, nothing represented from
• 1:21:09
  any in any way shape or form. Not a visual image, nobody with
• 1:21:13
  a shirt on, nothing. Just really quick in a minute or
• 1:21:17
  less. Is this, was this a terrible
• 1:21:20
  mistake? Did you expect this?
• 1:21:22
  Did you think differently? GAIL, tell me if you think we
• 1:21:25
  should have seen some Dio in there.
• 1:21:27
  Can I tell you it never crossed my mind.
• 1:21:31
  It never crossed my mind. Now that you say it, I'm like,
• 1:21:33
  oh, yeah. Dio.
• 1:21:35
  Well, first of all, he couldn't show up because he's dead.
• 1:21:38
  OK, RIP, Ronnie. But when I think of Black
• 1:21:43
  Sabbath, I think of Bill and Geezer and Tony and Ozzy.
• 1:21:49
  That's just the way I am. So I I didn't feel any lack of
• 1:21:55
  respect or any void or any vacant space in that department.
• 1:22:01
  Fair enough. Also, sound off in the comments
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  if you think we should have gotten some other errors of
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  Sabbath represented Ken Pierce. Should we get some other
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  cassette? Should we have had some
• 1:22:12
  acknowledgement of the other errors of Sabbath during this
• 1:22:14
  thing? When this was called the final
• 1:22:19
  Black Sabbath show and then it was called Ozzy's Last Hurrah, I
• 1:22:26
  immediately felt we were never going to see anything else other
• 1:22:31
  Sabbath. What might have worked would
• 1:22:36
  have been maybe video in Summit Dead Space showing the history
• 1:22:43
  of Sabbath from the beginning and then ending with how they
• 1:22:48
  reunited several years ago and then reunited again for the end
• 1:22:54
  before we went back to the beginning.
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  So, you know, maybe something that represented them, but I did
• 1:22:59
  not really expect any of those other bands to members to
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  participate at all. Fair enough, the Tony Martin
• 1:23:11
  stand is not here Nick Boom boom Cameron.
• 1:23:13
  So Don will be his proxy. Don, what do you say?
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  I know also what a huge DO fan you are too A.
• 1:23:19
  Huge fucking DO fan. Massive Tony Martin fan again.
• 1:23:24
  Diana Hill for Tony Martin. I thought he was incredible, but
• 1:23:28
  honestly, like this was a celebration of Ozzy and Black
• 1:23:32
  Sabbath. It was Ozzy.
• 1:23:35
  Black Sabbath is what I what I would think of it as.
• 1:23:39
  Part of me would have loved to have seen at least an homage of
• 1:23:43
  whatever to some of the members of Black Sabbath over the years
• 1:23:47
  because Black Sabbath was its own entity.
• 1:23:50
  Apart from the two, I think that there was very heavy-handed on
• 1:23:54
  Sharon's part to keep bringing them together and to keep a kind
• 1:23:57
  of alienate the other aspects of it.
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  And, you know, I mean, that's fine.
• 1:24:02
  That's their call. I'm kind of like GAIL, in the
• 1:24:06
  moment, I wasn't even thinking about it because I was so
• 1:24:09
  focused in and honed in on, you know, what was being done and
• 1:24:14
  being played. And so it kind of, I kind of
• 1:24:18
  think it was a good call to be honest.
• 1:24:20
  All right, fair enough, man. I'll give it to you there.
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  Peter Wilson. I know Peter's also a fan like I
• 1:24:26
  am a born again. Not even a zero to hero.
• 1:24:29
  Not even a zero to hero. Come.
• 1:24:31
  On. Come on, SO.
• 1:24:33
  Ian Dylan is alive, by the way, and could a game.
• 1:24:36
  So. So here's my feeling and his
• 1:24:38
  really good friends with Tony Iommi still.
• 1:24:40
  So here's my thing. I knew what was going to happen
• 1:24:43
  because Sharon's in control. This is this was, remember, the
• 1:24:46
  other purpose is to make sure that Ozzy's legacy and Sabbath's
• 1:24:50
  the classic line up of of Sabbath is just remembered as
• 1:24:55
  such. So it was, you know, it was kind
• 1:24:58
  of like honing in on that. But like I felt at the last kiss
• 1:25:01
  shows where I was like, you know, and how I felt about Kiss
• 1:25:05
  being inducted in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame and no Eric
• 1:25:07
  Carr and no Bruce Kulick. It's like really guys like I, I
• 1:25:11
  feel the same way about Sabbath because it would be different if
• 1:25:16
  if after Ozzy left, they kind of dropped off commercially to the
• 1:25:21
  level of let's say a la Tony Martin.
• 1:25:23
  Sorry, I know Don's losing his mind right now, but like were
• 1:25:27
  those records just didn't quite sell?
• 1:25:29
  They didn't catch on. They can't they had like it's
• 1:25:31
  own little thing, right? But Deal, I mean, those records
• 1:25:36
  sold, those two deal albums sold better than the three last
• 1:25:40
  Aussie records with Sabbath. Let's talk truth, right?
• 1:25:45
  And they're incredible metal records.
• 1:25:47
  You know, Mob rules. And you know, I mean, Mob rules
• 1:25:51
  in Heaven and Hell are just like some of the most important metal
• 1:25:54
  records ever made. And you know, and Sav was
• 1:25:58
  involved. Hey, people talk crap about Born
• 1:26:00
  Again. Born Again was a top five record
• 1:26:03
  in England and and sold well, right?
• 1:26:07
  And it's an incredible record. I think they could have done
• 1:26:10
  something clever. It would have been cool if maybe
• 1:26:13
  they even did it early in the day, you know, before we got too
• 1:26:16
  heavy, heavy-handed into the classic Saba stuff.
• 1:26:20
  I do think it was a little bit of a weird thing, but I mean,
• 1:26:24
  hey, listen, maybe they never forgave the fact that Ryan James
• 1:26:27
  Zeo didn't want Sabbath to open up for Ozzy all those years ago.
• 1:26:32
  And, you know, and you had Rob Halford that had to take, take
• 1:26:35
  the the place of of DO for two gigs or something like that.
• 1:26:39
  Maybe that was what it was about.
• 1:26:41
  But I, I definitely I agree with you, Keithy.
• 1:26:44
  I feel like there was like, you know, and even like Tony Martin,
• 1:26:46
  like he made a lot of records. He kept the Sabbath name alive
• 1:26:50
  for many years. I think there could have been
• 1:26:52
  some kind of tasteful tip of the hat.
• 1:26:55
  Didn't even have to be a big performance thing.
• 1:26:57
  Maybe it was even the short film kind of thing.
• 1:26:59
  Something cool in the middle of the day would have been nice,
• 1:27:01
  especially because Ronnie, why is that with us anymore?
• 1:27:04
  I think it would have been a classy thing for her to do.
• 1:27:07
  And everyone's so much older now.
• 1:27:08
  It's like, I hope you've gotten over all the crap.
• 1:27:10
  Apparently not. But I mean, it's the same thing
• 1:27:13
  as as tied into like the, you know, some gaping holes of
• 1:27:17
  people that like bands that were not there where you're like, how
• 1:27:22
  are they not there? I'm going to keep it.
• 1:27:25
  With you and go right to that. Ken in the private chat has
• 1:27:28
  mentioned Glenn Hughes also. A pity.
• 1:27:30
  A pretty glaring omission that he's still friends with Geezer
• 1:27:33
  and Iommi and Bill and they've all worked together and Glenn
• 1:27:37
  has worked with all those other All Star guys in one capacity or
• 1:27:40
  another. Been on tour with them, other
• 1:27:42
  things. So it seems as though it's
• 1:27:45
  Mötley Crüe got disinvited from the original thing.
• 1:27:49
  Doesn't surprise me. No one needs or wants this.
• 1:27:53
  They cannot play or sing. I disagree.
• 1:27:57
  OK, I don't. No one wants Mötley Crüe, this
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  sort of thing. Except Nikki.
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  Can I just say one thing about Keith?
• 1:28:04
  You guys just say one thing about that.
• 1:28:06
  So here's here's where I'm coming from on this, right?
• 1:28:10
  Thinking back to the first time I saw Crew opening up for Ozzy
• 1:28:13
  Osbourne, obviously 40 years ago right?
• 1:28:16
  But I know there's so much has happened in Crew universe since
• 1:28:20
  and I will not defend Crew with the exception of the John Krabi
• 1:28:23
  album post Shad the Devil. They they first two albums.
• 1:28:28
  What I'm talking about. As I said in the chat, if if
• 1:28:31
  Crew did the right thing and got the Queen memo and they did live
• 1:28:35
  wire. Forget about doing Sabbath.
• 1:28:37
  Don't do any Sabbath. The assholes do live wire Shout
• 1:28:41
  out the Devil looks that kill Ozzy.
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  Thank you for bringing us on our first major tour.
• 1:28:46
  And even flying vocals for Vince.
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  I'm telling you, that would have gone over well.
• 1:28:50
  It would have been a bit different because people forget
• 1:28:53
  that Sabbath was so important. They influenced a lot of their
• 1:28:57
  their choral structures. You can't imagine Mick Marr's
• 1:28:59
  playing half of what he played. Certainly on Shout Out the
• 1:29:02
  Devil, if there was no Sabbath, and I think it would have been,
• 1:29:05
  it would have been a cool thing. And you know me, I'm the first
• 1:29:07
  to attack Vince Neil. I think he's absolutely
• 1:29:09
  dreadful. But again, if Axl Rose could do
• 1:29:13
  whatever he was doing on that stage and a lot of the other
• 1:29:16
  things we saw, I don't know. I think that crew, especially
• 1:29:20
  Tommy Lee, he would have come out there and John 5 is playing,
• 1:29:24
  I mean. Killed.
• 1:29:26
  The ban the ban kills right now. So you you throw in a million
• 1:29:30
  like things on on Vince Neil's voice like he did to Ozzy.
• 1:29:33
  Have him half sing the crowd half sing.
• 1:29:35
  I think it would have been a cool.
• 1:29:37
  Trust me, if you can imagine that line up him like them.
• 1:29:40
  I'm doing like 3 early cuts. I think it would have been a
• 1:29:43
  kind of cool, weird kind of thing to show how important
• 1:29:47
  Sabbath was to all ears of metal.
• 1:29:50
  Nice, Don. I'm going to kick it back to
• 1:29:52
  you. One band that wasn't there, that
• 1:29:55
  should have been. Or artist anybody.
• 1:30:00
  Oh boy, you really caught me on. I actually believe it or not.
• 1:30:08
  Keith, you're so cute. Of all the different bands I
• 1:30:10
  know, it sounds the same. I thought Ugly Kid Joe should
• 1:30:12
  have been there. I saw on the No More Tours tour,
• 1:30:17
  it was Ugly Kid Joe Faster Pussycat opening up and Ugly Kid
• 1:30:20
  Joe had developed a very, very tight knit relationship with
• 1:30:25
  Ozzy and Sharon and to the point where, you know, I mean, they
• 1:30:30
  became part of the family early on.
• 1:30:32
  I mean, they covered, what was it, Sweet Leaf on their EP, so I
• 1:30:39
  would have loved to have seen them play because I think not
• 1:30:41
  only they're a great band, they do Sabbath really well.
• 1:30:44
  I thought it would have been fun to have seen them.
• 1:30:47
  But seeing Whitfield Crane though was a gift in itself
• 1:30:50
  because I think he is terribly underrated when it comes to such
• 1:30:54
  a great singer. And he sings Sabbath, probably
• 1:30:58
  as good if not better than most. He's in Kirk's cover band, Kirk
• 1:31:02
  Hamlet's cover band, the Wedding Band, which I've seen him and
• 1:31:04
  him and Mark from Death Angel share the vocals.
• 1:31:06
  And by the way, when briefly Whitfield Crane was the singer
• 1:31:10
  of Life of Agony, his condition to come into the band was we
• 1:31:13
  have to cover Symptom of the Universe.
• 1:31:14
  And they did it and they slammed it and they used to do it live
• 1:31:17
  with him, which was amazing. Ken Pierce, Who is missing from
• 1:31:22
  this lineup? Who should have been there?
• 1:31:25
  Artist or band? I'll go to.
• 1:31:30
  I would have loved to see Priest, but Priest is on tour,
• 1:31:34
  maybe three. I think maybe Uriah Heep would
• 1:31:37
  have been a nice choice. They would have easily been able
• 1:31:43
  to pull out a cover of Sabbath and and then do a handful of
• 1:31:50
  absolute staples that, you know, melt faces today even and and
• 1:31:57
  dare I even say Megadeth. You know, Megadeth probably
• 1:32:00
  would have been a great choice also.
• 1:32:02
  So, you know, very simple and to the point.
• 1:32:08
  Again, you know, it was nice to hear somebody sing Judas Priest
• 1:32:11
  kind of on that. But I do, you know, I, I, I do
• 1:32:19
  think that Halford was missed And, you know, we saw KK that
• 1:32:23
  was great. But you know, let's let's get
• 1:32:26
  the rest of them. So, you know, that's my take.
• 1:32:30
  Nice. Work.
• 1:32:31
  Nice work. Yeah, Megan had this.
• 1:32:33
  Very strange that they were not in this thing.
• 1:32:35
  It's just I know they're in the studio working on their new
• 1:32:37
  album right now. GAIL, who would you like to have
• 1:32:40
  seen added to this thing? Well, what about iron?
• 1:32:45
  Maiden. No, not even asked, according to
• 1:32:48
  Sharon. Never considered their brief is
• 1:32:51
  forever. She hates Rod Smallwood, she
• 1:32:53
  hates Spruce, and she hates them.
• 1:32:57
  I agree it would have made sense for them to be there, especially
• 1:32:59
  with no priest. You know a band I know that
• 1:33:03
  supported Ausentor Prong who has fans or, or I'm not a fan, but
• 1:33:11
  Slipknot. Very strange that Corey Taylor
• 1:33:15
  was not here in some way, shape or form.
• 1:33:17
  Very strange. And and Eloy is there.
• 1:33:20
  Their drummer was in the earlier in a little drum jam.
• 1:33:24
  So he was there. And Sid is there because
• 1:33:26
  obviously he got engaged to Kelly.
• 1:33:27
  What a fucking bonehead. On my dad.
• 1:33:30
  On your dad's biggest day, would you marry me?
• 1:33:32
  What a fuck face. I'm sorry.
• 1:33:35
  I've been saving that the whole day.
• 1:33:36
  Go ahead. No, I I'm sure he thought it was
• 1:33:39
  appropriate. You know he's.
• 1:33:40
  An idiot, men or women or they them as anybody, don't get
• 1:33:44
  engaged on people's birthdays, New Year's Eve or Valentine's
• 1:33:47
  Day. You're all fuck.
• 1:33:48
  Faced or at other people's weddings.
• 1:33:50
  Or at other people's weddings. What a fucking Dick weed.
• 1:33:52
  I'm going to give her the ring right after they say I do don't.
• 1:33:56
  You know who would have been a great band if all the members
• 1:33:58
  were still alive? Is Type O Negative?
• 1:34:01
  Yeah, of course. They have fucking killed it.
• 1:34:03
  Peter loved. Ozzy and Ozzy loved that.
• 1:34:06
  Would have been that the shit man.
• 1:34:10
  All right, P. Oh nice, Tom Bombadil, great
• 1:34:15
  screen name in the YouTube comments says maybe Phil
• 1:34:17
  Campbell and Mikey D play Hellraiser with Zach and Ozzy.
• 1:34:22
  I mean like that would have made fucking complete sense, but too
• 1:34:24
  much sense. Actually, I think Scorpions is
• 1:34:27
  also like on tour, you know, doing festivals and Phil, you
• 1:34:32
  know, he's got the bastard sons. But yeah, that's kind of strange
• 1:34:35
  that Lemmy also wasn't mentioned.
• 1:34:37
  Him and Ozzy were best friends. I think Suicide Solution was
• 1:34:40
  like for Bon Scott and, you know, in a lesser sense for for
• 1:34:45
  Lemmy being Lemmy ain't gone. But yeah, man, Corey Taylor is a
• 1:34:49
  head scratcher. And then I was going to say,
• 1:34:51
  Trivium is a band that is the same level.
• 1:34:54
  If you look at streaming numbers and popularity in terms of tour
• 1:34:58
  where they tour, Gojira, Mastodon, Lamb of God, Trivium
• 1:35:02
  is the next band on that level, maybe even more.
• 1:35:04
  Popular than some bands. Above Mastodon, actually, and
• 1:35:09
  they were not there at all. And that's not even Matt
• 1:35:12
  Matthew. Really strange.
• 1:35:14
  But, you know, maybe so much is too much.
• 1:35:16
  Or maybe they're not on Morello's radar if he was, you
• 1:35:20
  know, picking some. Of the yeah, I mean, I guess
• 1:35:22
  also not everybody can be invited.
• 1:35:26
  Yes, not everybody can be invited.
• 1:35:27
  Some people are. And, you know, let's just
• 1:35:29
  address the the Mötley Crüe thing that we've been talking
• 1:35:32
  about in the chat. Vince Neil should not ever tour
• 1:35:37
  or perform live again. He's horrible.
• 1:35:39
  He makes Axel look like Bruce Dickinson.
• 1:35:44
  Right on. But I think it would have been
• 1:35:46
  fun to have Tommy or Nikki in one of the Super groups because
• 1:35:50
  they were obviously completely influenced by Black Sabbath.
• 1:35:56
  Yeah, the Black Sabbath pre book.
• 1:35:58
  With Ozzy when they were all at their most insane.
• 1:36:01
  Yeah, that's true. That's true.
• 1:36:04
  No love for them, GAIL, I'm going to keep it with you.
• 1:36:07
  We're going to do 2 last questions and I'm going to start
• 1:36:10
  with this one. What other band could get this
• 1:36:16
  treatment? Like let's have one or two bands
• 1:36:19
  Max in a one minute answer. I wish you hadn't taken me first
• 1:36:24
  because I I know didn't we? We talked about in some of our
• 1:36:29
  pre chats Nirvana. Now as far as like the catalog
• 1:36:35
  and the legend and the influence is concerned, I think Nirvana
• 1:36:39
  would be a great pick definitely.
• 1:36:41
  Although wouldn't there be a pre a reformed Nirvana to play with
• 1:36:48
  Dave and Chris and. They've been offered money to do
• 1:36:51
  it, so yeah. Who would they have a bunch of
• 1:36:54
  different vocalists come and sing with them?
• 1:36:58
  I don't know. Really good question.
• 1:37:03
  I wish I could think of somebody else.
• 1:37:07
  I mean, you might say, you know, as far as like who's really big
• 1:37:10
  and huge and has a great legacy, Metallica, but you know, they're
• 1:37:18
  still around so. Right.
• 1:37:21
  I live in the Bay Area, so I'm rooting for that Metallica one.
• 1:37:24
  But on every thrash band and heavy metal band in the last 45
• 1:37:27
  years. And then Metallica plays, I'll
• 1:37:29
  be sick. All right, hold that thought,
• 1:37:32
  GAIL. Ken, what other band?
• 1:37:36
  That's a legacy band. I think you have to unmute
• 1:37:39
  yourself, buddy. There we go.
• 1:37:40
  No, muted, unmuted. I got it.
• 1:37:42
  OK, here we go. What legacy ban could get this
• 1:37:44
  treatment? You don't know.
• 1:37:50
  I don't really think off the top of my head who who is at that
• 1:37:58
  space at this point. You know, I mean, would a KISS 1
• 1:38:05
  be fun? Yeah.
• 1:38:06
  But KISS is never going to do that again.
• 1:38:08
  You know, so does something like this happened for Kiss and then
• 1:38:13
  the end result at the final show is the avatars?
• 1:38:18
  I mean, that would be interesting.
• 1:38:22
  But as far as Legacy a Misfits 1, they're still doing it.
• 1:38:30
  I can't really think of anybody right off the top of my head.
• 1:38:34
  You know, Nirvana is a good choice like GAIL mentioned, but
• 1:38:40
  don't seem to want. I don't know, I'm kind of
• 1:38:46
  perplexed on that. You know, there, there are not a
• 1:38:49
  lot of legendary things that are closing up.
• 1:38:54
  You know, Maiden's still going, Priest is still going, Metallica
• 1:38:57
  is still going, Slipknot's still going.
• 1:39:00
  These are names that you would say maybe would be the choice,
• 1:39:03
  but they're all still active and they don't look like they're
• 1:39:06
  slowing down anytime soon. Knock wood.
• 1:39:10
  Yeah, You know, I'll just. I think in 10 years the
• 1:39:12
  landscape is going to be radically different.
• 1:39:14
  Yes, but I'll put this as a, I'll put this as a liner note
• 1:39:18
  kind of when when I was coming back from priest last year with
• 1:39:23
  a friend of mine and some other cats in the in the car, somebody
• 1:39:28
  was complaining about the setlist.
• 1:39:29
  They didn't like everything that was in the setlist.
• 1:39:32
  And I had to point out that wasn't it extraordinary to be in
• 1:39:38
  our 50s and seeing a band that we used to watch as teenagers?
• 1:39:46
  And I said, you know, that's the I, that is where the
• 1:39:49
  appreciation should be. And the fact that they're still
• 1:39:52
  doing stuff like this is just beyond amazing.
• 1:39:55
  So, but all of those bands are still doing it.
• 1:39:57
  And I agree with you, 10 more years, it's going to be a
• 1:39:59
  different conversation, but that will have to be on a podcast of
• 1:40:03
  a different nature cause none of us will be doing this anymore.
• 1:40:06
  I. Will I'm not going nowhere.
• 1:40:09
  I will, buddy. Joan Jetter, lead afford for
• 1:40:13
  Jamie Maroney on YouTube. Yes, for Nirvana.
• 1:40:16
  They've talked about Joan, about Joan Jett.
• 1:40:18
  Yeah. Lita also could have been part
• 1:40:19
  of this, right. close your eyes forever would have been a nice
• 1:40:21
  thing. Don Don Doc and Don Delamont.
• 1:40:25
  Who, who, who should have been on this thing that wasn't you?
• 1:40:34
  Mean band wise. Or like any artist or band, just
• 1:40:37
  quickly. Oh my God, there was.
• 1:40:39
  I mean, actually I made I made a list real quick.
• 1:40:41
  Or who could or who could get? Who could get Because we we are
• 1:40:46
  you got kind of skipped on that question, but who could get
• 1:40:48
  their own version of this? Another band?
• 1:40:51
  Who do you think is good enough to get another one of these?
• 1:40:55
  So kind of like what Ken said, I feel like to be honest, it's
• 1:40:58
  it's ironic that some of the greats are still active, but
• 1:41:02
  thinking down the road when it's time to clock out and retire.
• 1:41:07
  I'm thinking Maiden right off the top of my head.
• 1:41:11
  I mean, that is a band that is in a sense.
• 1:41:14
  They wrap everything up within themselves.
• 1:41:17
  Like you've never seen someone come out on stage and jam with
• 1:41:21
  Iron Maiden or like guest without, you know what I mean?
• 1:41:24
  Like so like would. They be into it.
• 1:41:26
  I don't know that Bruce would be into it.
• 1:41:28
  I think his ego is too big, I think, and it'll just make ionic
• 1:41:32
  gears look bad because he's not really playing as we know.
• 1:41:34
  He's not plugged in so. I.
• 1:41:36
  Think he's doing a pretty much bored fucking guy thing with his
• 1:41:40
  guitar and he's not really a guitar player anymore.
• 1:41:42
  I'm a Yannick Nut swinger, but that's a whole other story.
• 1:41:46
  But yeah, I think Maiden would be a band that would get it.
• 1:41:50
  I was also just, I was trying to think about as you guys were
• 1:41:53
  talking more about it and I think that because so many
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  iconic bands are still going at it, I would have to say Priest.
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  I could see Priest getting this kind of treatment also, but on
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  this level of the Sabbath thing. I think Maiden's probably the
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  only band that could that could have a show of that magnitude
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  with all those people because of how they are.
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  Priests probably could do it depending on who was going to be
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  there. But I think Maiden, like hands
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  down, and I would love to see it because as much as I love Bruce,
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  I want him to hang around, but I just want to see who would show
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  up to that show. Right.
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  Or everybody that showed up today probably or whatever,
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  Saturday. Pete, Peter, what do you think?
• 1:42:39
  Who forget this treatment? So I have three kind of like I
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  was thinking about like, how do you do this?
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  I have to say that this is a really special thing.
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  And I think that I like Sabbath is really unique in this
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  approach because they're so, I mean, they are like the
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  cornerstone. So I think it'll never be quite
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  the same. If I was in my fan fantasy
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  thing, I think doing in Toronto, you have Rush and you figure out
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  what you're doing with the drummer situation.
• 1:43:15
  But I bet that that would be a lot bigger event than people
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  would realize, especially if you do it in Canada and you figure
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  out a few guest drummers for Rush to play.
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  And I would bet a ton of great bands and ours who want to be a
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  part of that. Although it would have to be a
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  little different because obviously, you know, Pert's not
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  with us anymore. So I thought that that would be
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  kind of neat. In the states the only bands I
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  can think of would be Kiss and Aerosmith.
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  But because Aerosmith is kind of done but we can see by Stevens
• 1:43:46
  performance that we they could do probably 3 songs or 4 songs
• 1:43:51
  and sound fantastic. Kiss would be a weird thing
• 1:43:54
  because Paul's voice is pretty shot, although, you know, if
• 1:43:58
  they figure out something clever, I don't know, maybe
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  he'll be able to hold on for a couple tunes to Paul songs to
• 1:44:05
  Gene songs. I think they might be able to do
• 1:44:07
  it. But I you know, and that would
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  definitely be really cool. But again, it'd be a different
• 1:44:12
  vibe. And I'm I'm with Don and I think
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  all of us were talking about like Maiden.
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  I think Maiden would be terrific.
• 1:44:18
  I still think that Maiden's got a lot of gas though, in a, in a
• 1:44:21
  cool, weird way, I think that we're seeing like in Maiden, I
• 1:44:26
  think we're seeing something very different, kind of like a
• 1:44:29
  maiden's like the LeBron of metal.
• 1:44:32
  Like they're, they're technically shouldn't be as good
• 1:44:35
  as they are alive for for their ages right now, but they're
• 1:44:40
  like, they're defying all of it in a really cool way.
• 1:44:43
  So I kind of enjoy like, like what Don was saying about, you
• 1:44:47
  know, wanting to see Bruce continue.
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  I mean, I haven't been as much of a fan of the last couple of
• 1:44:52
  Maiden records. I thought they were OK, but I
• 1:44:55
  still feel like there's a lot of gas in the tank.
• 1:44:57
  I still think there's like a killer record left in that
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  group. But yeah, it would be, it would
• 1:45:03
  be different. All of them would have different
• 1:45:04
  energy. I don't think as much as I love
• 1:45:06
  Priests, I don't think Priests has the same kind of pulling
• 1:45:11
  international power as some of the other bands.
• 1:45:14
  I think if they did it in an interesting way, maybe kind of a
• 1:45:17
  smallish or slightly smaller version of to what Sabbath did,
• 1:45:22
  they could pull it off to, but it would be a different kind of
• 1:45:25
  crowd. I think you get a lot of the the
• 1:45:27
  Sabbath people over there, but I think it would be different.
• 1:45:30
  I think if you're talking about like internationally, I think
• 1:45:33
  Maiden in a few years would be great.
• 1:45:35
  I love the idea of Nirvana because it's such a such a cool
• 1:45:39
  thing. Except, you know, I'll just be
• 1:45:41
  honest. I don't know.
• 1:45:42
  I think a lot of the artists that would be on the bill I
• 1:45:44
  wouldn't be as crazy about to be honestly, especially a lot of
• 1:45:48
  the the younger artists. I don't know, I think like a lot
• 1:45:51
  of the ones that grab the curve thing.
• 1:45:53
  I don't know if I'd be as excited about.
• 1:45:56
  I'd be excited about obviously their contemporaries and some of
• 1:45:59
  the mid bands at right after. But I think there was a lot of,
• 1:46:02
  dare I say, not as interesting, like pop punk, Kitty punk stuff
• 1:46:07
  that it was influenced by Nirvana that I don't think would
• 1:46:10
  hit me as hard. And I think a lot of those bands
• 1:46:12
  aren't around anymore. I think, I think there's a whole
• 1:46:16
  interesting separate conversation about Nirvana to be
• 1:46:18
  had. And actually I think the band
• 1:46:20
  that would be the band, they did it already.
• 1:46:22
  It was no effects on their farewell tour.
• 1:46:24
  That's the band that actually influenced all the newer punk
• 1:46:27
  bands, not Nirvana. Nirvana was lumped into punk.
• 1:46:30
  They were not exclusively punk. But I would just jump in and say
• 1:46:33
  Van Halen would have been my pick to have this kind of
• 1:46:36
  treatment. And now with Alex kind of
• 1:46:38
  selling off all his drums and physically probably been
• 1:46:40
  incapacitated from playing drums ever again, I don't want to see
• 1:46:44
  a Van Halen concert without at least Alex Van Halen.
• 1:46:46
  So that's that. Yeah, I'm going to keep.
• 1:46:49
  Yeah, I'm going to keep it with you for the We're going to do
• 1:46:51
  the last question. I have decided to forgo the
• 1:46:54
  legacy question because we know what it is already.
• 1:46:56
  We all know it's on, you know, beyond reproach.
• 1:47:00
  Are they done? Is Ozzy going to put out new
• 1:47:03
  music? Is Sabbath going to do a new
• 1:47:05
  album? Will we see them again on a
• 1:47:07
  stage somewhere? Or is this it?
• 1:47:09
  This was wildly successful. Raise a lot of money for
• 1:47:12
  charity. 5 million plus people watch this thing just in 30
• 1:47:16
  seconds or less. Are they done?
• 1:47:17
  Is this it? Is there more?
• 1:47:19
  What do you think? I, I, I dare I say I really hope
• 1:47:24
  so, not because it's because I love Ozzy and their and their
• 1:47:28
  legacy. And I think this was an
• 1:47:30
  exclamation point and then some. And I think it would be amazing
• 1:47:35
  them to end off here. I did get nervous by seeing
• 1:47:38
  Andrew Watt on that stage playing guitar who produced the
• 1:47:42
  last few Aussie albums. So I don't know, maybe that was
• 1:47:45
  kind of a sign of possibly some, some sort of last project.
• 1:47:49
  But I I hope it's done only because I think it's it would
• 1:47:53
  just be a glorious way to end. All right.
• 1:47:56
  Very nicely done, done. De Lamont.
• 1:47:59
  What do you think? Are they done done or are they
• 1:48:02
  not done done? As far as Ozzy goes, I hope he's
• 1:48:05
  done. I don't think I've I haven't
• 1:48:07
  liked a record he honestly that he's put out since probably no
• 1:48:12
  more tears, I'd have to say. And even before then, I thought
• 1:48:15
  No rest for the Wicked was his last truly great record.
• 1:48:20
  I kind of hope he's done like let this be it.
• 1:48:22
  Let let us have this memory that I don't want to hear Ozzy, you
• 1:48:26
  know, using pitch shifters on his voice to get him to sing in
• 1:48:30
  a way, you know, he can't do it. So I don't know.
• 1:48:32
  I'm kind of done with that. Sabbath, though, on the other
• 1:48:35
  hand, I'd love to see Sabbath revisit.
• 1:48:37
  I'd love to see Iommi and Tony Martin do something together.
• 1:48:41
  I think that that would be incredible.
• 1:48:43
  It wouldn't be big scale, obviously, but you know, it
• 1:48:47
  would be kind of cool to see the members of Sabbath somehow
• 1:48:52
  revisit some of this past lineups to give those lineups,
• 1:48:57
  you know, credit where credit's due.
• 1:48:59
  And I do want to drop. One more thing that I still
• 1:49:01
  think it is absolutely insane and I kind of won't forgive
• 1:49:04
  Sharon for this ever, is that Bob Daisley was completely
• 1:49:07
  written out of the picture. Like he was a huge part of Ozzy
• 1:49:14
  and Co writing some of the greatest songs that Ozzy put
• 1:49:18
  out. And he is for life, been treated
• 1:49:23
  like dog shit by them and I, and this was their chance to at
• 1:49:26
  least kind of do a classy thing. And they didn't even mention
• 1:49:30
  him, so I thought that was sad. So, you know, props to Bob
• 1:49:33
  Daisley. Right on, Don, before I go to
• 1:49:37
  Ken, I do want to jump into the comments.
• 1:49:39
  Jamie said Led Zeppelin and I had said privately, I think the
• 1:49:42
  moment has passed for Jimmy and Robert to kind of come back in
• 1:49:46
  and do another one of those. But I did want to acknowledge
• 1:49:49
  your comment. Jamie, thank you for being in
• 1:49:50
  the chat this entire time. Ken Pierce, are they done?
• 1:49:54
  Will there be more? What do you think?
• 1:49:57
  I miss having the beard to do the scrutiny things.
• 1:50:02
  Yes, I, I, I think that that is the last time we'll see a proper
• 1:50:08
  Black Sabbath live. Ozzy did maintain that he was
• 1:50:14
  still gonna try to record music. Will it be a full album?
• 1:50:18
  I don't think so. I don't can.
• 1:50:21
  I think he's, I hate to say it, I think he's a lot worse off
• 1:50:25
  than he seems. Or that they say, you know, this
• 1:50:29
  is not an easy, you know, maybe they're.
• 1:50:36
  Single or. Three with Andrew and they put
• 1:50:39
  something else out as singles only.
• 1:50:42
  We will never see him on the stage again unless he comes out
• 1:50:46
  to accept an award of some kind. But Sabbath I also think are are
• 1:50:52
  done in this kind of thing because as much as everybody in
• 1:50:56
  the chat was talking about Tony Martin, a a combination of them
• 1:51:03
  and Tony Martin would not fill a garden or a theater and it'll
• 1:51:11
  fill smaller things because that stuff is not as known.
• 1:51:16
  Unless you were an absolute Sabbath, Die Hard followed them
• 1:51:19
  through absolutely everything that they ever released and had
• 1:51:23
  your favorites along the line. I mean, I only can name 3 or 4
• 1:51:27
  songs by Tony Martin and I liked what he did with them.
• 1:51:31
  You know, Gillen's not going to do anything with them.
• 1:51:33
  He's got purple and he doesn't need to do anything Sabbath
• 1:51:36
  because purple still sells out arenas.
• 1:51:39
  So, but I, I think really for the most part it's done.
• 1:51:43
  This was an amazing send off and done well.
• 1:51:46
  And I know that's more than 30 seconds.
• 1:51:48
  I'm sorry. That's OK, I do believe Tony's
• 1:51:50
  next project is going to be to remaster a box set version of
• 1:51:55
  Born Again. Keithy will rejoice.
• 1:51:57
  GAIL. Done, not done.
• 1:52:00
  Bullshit. Every band stays, I'm retiring
• 1:52:02
  farewell tour and then they come back.
• 1:52:04
  What do you think? I think Ozzy's done because
• 1:52:06
  Ozzy's obviously very ill and as Peter said, why not go out on
• 1:52:12
  top Now, will he still record music?
• 1:52:16
  I think no, But if he could put out something that his fans
• 1:52:22
  would like, sure, but I think he's wrapped it up pretty much.
• 1:52:28
  Is Sabbath done? I think that Geezer and Tony
• 1:52:31
  could still do anything they want.
• 1:52:34
  I think Bill has some health issues, but I don't know if
• 1:52:40
  would they come together as an entity with a different singer.
• 1:52:44
  Maybe that's all I'll say. Maybe.
• 1:52:49
  It's just a super interesting mysterious GAIL.
• 1:52:52
  I love mysterious GAIL. I'm just going to jump in here
• 1:52:54
  for a second and just say for a last licks, this has been really
• 1:52:57
  wonderful. Thanks everybody for jumping in
• 1:52:59
  the chat and being a part of this and watching this live
• 1:53:02
  stream. We're going to do more of these
• 1:53:03
  roundtables. I keep swearing we'll do one a
• 1:53:05
  couple of year. We might be back in the fall as
• 1:53:08
  things develop. I'm just really grateful to be
• 1:53:11
  part of this incredible community who've grown up and
• 1:53:13
  since I was a little toddler listening to Black Sabbath and
• 1:53:16
  hearing that's original first squeal of War pigs on the base
• 1:53:21
  and just knowing that I had to someday play bass and it really
• 1:53:24
  consumed my whole brain in a way.
• 1:53:26
  I still haven't quite worked out in therapy.
• 1:53:29
  But to the gang being here, I really relish and cherish you
• 1:53:33
  all. This has been really marvelous.
• 1:53:34
  Please, everybody following if you've come here through Ghost
• 1:53:37
  cultman.com, check out Peter's music, check out Don's podcast
• 1:53:41
  website and music. Check out Ken's websites and
• 1:53:44
  social media, check out GAIL and the Whirly Gig blog.
• 1:53:47
  It is my pleasure to do these within gang.
• 1:53:50
  This has been a great honor and hail Black Sabbath, hail Iommi,
• 1:53:54
  hail Ozzy, and take care of yourselves out there.
• 1:53:57
  Thanks everybody. Thanks everybody.
• 1:53:59
  Thanks guys. Bye.
• 1:54:01
  Hail Taylor Swift. Thanks everyone.
• 1:54:05
  Death to false medal. That's better.
• 1:54:10
  By the way, I was the only one with the Sabbath strong and I'm
• 1:54:12
  very sad. Braggart.
• 1:54:16
  I have a classic. It's in storage.
• 1:54:20
  I have a Sabbath on like, oh, nice.
• 1:54:22
  Oh, look at you. All right then.
• 1:54:23
  Thanks, everybody. Peace.
• 1:54:25
  Thank y'all. Thanks love y'all.