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Becoming the Miracle You Seek w/ Nick Vujicic · Something Extra

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Nick Vujicic: But we all have a broken heart.
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We all have the same question.
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Why am I going through something difficult?
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Why me?
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Why why can't things be different?
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What what's in my future?
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Do I really have hope?
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And when you don't know the truth and you don't have that anchor for
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your soul, you'll be drifting slowly
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into the lies where the little voices in my head saying,
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Nick, you're not good enough.
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Just give up.
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You know, that that's where you need to consider the
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truth.
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Lisa Nichols: It takes something a little more to lead with impact.
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I'm beyond excited to have Nick Vujicic on the show today.
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Nick is an Australian American entrepreneur, evangelist, internationally
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known speaker, author, and the founder of Attitude is Altitude,
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as well as Life Without Limbs.
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Nick is based in Dallas, Texas, and he's traveled the globe sharing his life
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story to inspire millions of people.
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Well, Nick, gosh, I cannot even tell
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you how much I have been looking forward to this time with you.
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I know how busy you are.
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Thank you so much for making the time to be on the show today.
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Nick Vujicic: Lisa, love you.
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I wish I could give you a hug.
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I I will never forget meeting you.
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Fell in love with you.
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Thank you so much for having me on your show.
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Honestly, you are an inspiration to more people than you can imagine,
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and I'm so glad that Matt Granada's connected us together.
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Love you so much.
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Lisa Nichols: Yes.
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I love you too.
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Sean Copeland, Matt, both of those guys.
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And I will just say I mean, you just said I'm an inspiration.
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Listen.
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You are one of the most inspirational people I've ever met.
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You are grounded in faith.
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You are joy filled.
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I always see you with a smile, Nick.
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I mean, truly, you are you're just such an inspiration, and
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I just know that you're gonna help our listeners today.
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And that's the whole idea of this podcast.
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I just want to get people on that, you know, really have wisdom
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and you do and faith and, I just know it's gonna help.
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So, you know, Nick, my goodness.
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Gosh.
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You there's so much to you.
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I told you I've got four pages of questions.
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Nick Vujicic: I love it.
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I love it.
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And praise God for everything good that you said.
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It's all him, and and that's why we're here on Earth.
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Right?
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Just to inspire one more person.
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Yeah.
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And I'm so excited about the something extra, and you're gonna come on my
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podcast.
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I know.
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So we're gonna push something extra on on my audience.
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But I love you, and I'll I'll I'll try keep my answers
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to sing so we can try get through all four if you wish.
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Lisa Nichols: Okay.
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Well, we're gonna try.
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We are gonna try.
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You know?
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Nick has, written lots of books, Be the Hands and Feet,
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Living Out God's Love for All Children, Love Without Limits, Stand Strong, The Power
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of Unstoppable Faith, Unstoppable, The Incredible Power of Faith and Action.
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I have the Life Without Limit Limbs, limits
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book here.
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And, Nick, I just want to ask you this.
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You know, you start in your book.
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You start with a scripture from James, and here's what the scripture
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says.
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Consider it pure joy whenever you face trials of any
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kind.
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And a lot of people hearing that may go, what?
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Why would I consider that joy?
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You know?
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I mean, that's it's hard.
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Right?
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And let's just be real.
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It can life is hard.
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Right?
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And we go through it versus but what does this mean to you now?
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And tell me, have you always felt that way?
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Nick Vujicic: Yeah.
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Look.
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I definitely didn't feel that way, a lot of my life.
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You know, I I I think what's interesting is you hear a verse so
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many times, and me hearing it again just from you now,
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the word consider
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consider,
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which which means it's not it's not the the the norm.
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It's not the,
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predictable.
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It's not your nature to to so consider it
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from a different angle.
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And so it's a decision to consider it,
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to reframe it, to redefine it.
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So consider it, pure joy.
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Yeah.
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Look.
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Anyone can say, oh, yeah.
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Ten years ago when I went through that storm, it just made me stronger.
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Oh, now I know that, you know, if I did get what I wanted
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when I begged God for it, maybe I would not have been as ready.
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There are people out there that are very, deceived about,
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you know, the prosperity gospel that god can give you everything you want, when
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you want, how you want it.
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He's not your genie.
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But also though the struggle of praying for arms and legs
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since being born without him, and I pray to a
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living god who can do all things, who loves me unconditionally,
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who knew my name before the earth began, who created everything we see
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and we don't see, what's so difficult that he just can't give me arms
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and legs now?
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And I have a pair of shoes, in my closet, but the bottom
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line is it when you read through it through the testing of your
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faith, you become complete and lacking nothing.
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We want that rest for our soul.
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We want to be complete lacking nothing.
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There are there are other words that, you know, the thesaurus can can bring
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up, which is freedom and joy.
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It's it's the joy of knowing that if God
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wants a circumstance to change, it will happen.
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Lisa Nichols: Yes.
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Nick Vujicic: It's not based on my righteousness or what gifts of the holy spirit that
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I have or how generous I was,
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and definitely not judging me or limiting my blessing because
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of my righteousness because if he actually judged me based on my
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righteousness, I'd be dead.
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But to understand
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saying yes to God, believing that he has the plan,
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because that's the whole point of the faith journey.
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If he gave me the plan, I don't need faith.
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The whole epiphany on this side of heaven is saying, Abba father,
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I trust you have a plan for me, and I'm gonna follow you,
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and that's the daily walk.
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And it's the wonderful walk of now being married for nearly fifteen
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years, four children,
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living in Texas, and and now living a life looking
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back over the last twenty five years, speaking in
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front of thirty seven presidents, eighty seven countries,
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in front of eleven million people face to face.
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If I was born with limbs and never had suffering the way that I
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did have, I would not be mature as I am today
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Mhmm.
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Because it required faith.
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And God can use your broken pieces, whether it's
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you having cancer, whether you die of cancer or get healed of cancer,
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arms and legs of veteran, someone who's gone through sexual abuse
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or verbal abuse or divorce or,
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whatever you we've gone through, your history becomes his story.
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So it's really the joy of pressing through, holding on to
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God, and making a daily decision to consider the bad
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as all things do come together for the good for those who love him,
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who've been called according to his purposes.
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Consider it another day of rest, strength, and
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grace and mercy leaning upon the arms of Jesus.
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Lisa Nichols: So good.
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This is why I love you.
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This is why I love you because you always bring it back and
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yeah.
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I I love that.
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You just pointed out something to me.
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Consider it is a choice, and we have a choice,
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about it.
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You know?
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But let's talk about this because let's just be real about it because there
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may be people in that season right now, Nick, of
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feeling, you know, heavy and hopeless.
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Right?
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And you shared you know, in your book, you share about this deep loneliness
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growing up.
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And and let's just face it.
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I mean, people people are can be really cruel.
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And, unfortunately, kids can.
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And we see this right now with even the cyberbullying and the bullying,
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just, you know, people, wanting to fit in.
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You know,
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what did that do to you, like, internally?
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Because you were, you know, you were like I mean, I read stories
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about, you know, fights on the playground and
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boys being really mean.
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I just, ugh, breaks my heart.
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Nick Vujicic: Yeah.
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It was definitely difficult.
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You know, my my parents always said they love me.
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God's got a plan for me.
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You're beautiful.
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You're special.
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And I'm like, I don't wanna be special.
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I just wanna fit in.
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Lisa Nichols: Yes.
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Nick Vujicic: And I went to school, and I was, you know, so blessed to be
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one of the pioneering integrated disabled students into the
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mainstream school system, thanks to my mom's efforts in the government,
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as just a civilian of Australia back then.
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And, it was it was a big deal that there was someone just
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in public back then in a wheelchair.
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Like, back then, it wasn't common at all to see someone, first
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and foremost, with a limb deficiency in a wheelchair outside.
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But to even go to a school where it's not being common
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at all,
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ever.
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And so kids are kids, you know.
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They they just have no filters.
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It's pure human nature.
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So bullying happens to everyone, and it did happen to me.
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Mhmm.
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I think I internalized it a lot.
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I tried to smile on the outside, not really tell my parents much.
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I did head butt one of my bullies and was reported to the
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office and, you know, got reported for head butting someone and giving him a
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bleeding nose.
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But at the same time, it was just part of life, and
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that was the life that I didn't wanna live.
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I I was thinking if I'm just gonna be bullied for the rest of
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my life, and, Lisa, so many people go up to kids and say, what
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do you wanna be when you grow up?
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I'm like, I don't wanna I don't know.
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I I don't know if I wanna grow up.
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Yeah.
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Because I don't know what that looks like.
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Am I just gonna be a a burden to my parents rest of my
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life?
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I'm not gonna get married.
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And so at age eight, I started contemplating suicide.
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And at age ten, I attempted,
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drowning myself in my bathtub.
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And it's not that I physically couldn't go through with it.
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I was saved by one thought, and it was a visual seeing my mom
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and my dad crying at my grave wishing they could have done something more.
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And that's when I realized I love them more than I hated my own
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pain and decided to stay by the grace and mercy of God.
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And, you know, like, you know, my parents, they they didn't
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cuddle me.
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They didn't let me play the victim card.
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I vacuumed the floor for two dollars a week and, bought
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my own toys.
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You know, they didn't spare the belt.
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I got whipped when I when they found my fingerprints, when I did something
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wrong.
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I got disciplined really well.
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They pushed me in my strength still.
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My strengths were in math, and I could compete really well in math.
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Yeah.
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At age thirteen, I I became number one at math for
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six years at school, and it was the only good thing I could remember
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that I could achieve that everyone could notice.
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And then chess, and my parents were there for me, but
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it was it was difficult, and suicidal thoughts
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are are very common these days.
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No matter what age, there are now kids even committing suicide at age eight
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or nine.
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Lisa Nichols: Mhmm.
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Nick Vujicic: And and it's an epidemic and a disability of the mind and the heart,
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really,
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where I think we all can say no one really knows what it
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feels to be limbless unless you're limbless, but we all have a broken heart.
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We all have the same question.
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Why am I going through something difficult?
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Why me?
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Why why can't things be different?
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What what's in my future?
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Do I really have hope?
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Mhmm.
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And when you don't know the truth and you don't have that anchor for
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your soul, you'll be drifting slowly into
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the lies where the little voices in my head saying, Nick, you're not
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good enough.
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Just give up.
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You know, that that's where you need to consider
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the truth.
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Lisa Nichols: Yes.
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Nick Vujicic: And not not just follow what the world says is beautiful or
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purposeful or valuable or successful.
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Yes.
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It was hard, and it's hard for everyone.
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I I still go through depression.
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Lisa Nichols: Sure.
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Absolutely.
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Nick Vujicic: I I was in depression November just last year Mhmm.
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For about a month.
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Yeah.
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And I'm not afraid to say it, you know, and I went through counseling
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before.
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And I think I think we all need to understand that just because we're
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Christians, it doesn't mean that you don't get depressed.
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You know, counseling has been so powerful for me.
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People like, wow, Nick, you never cry.
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No.
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I do cry.
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And I got a beautiful wife, and and she's my number one
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supporter and cheerleader, and she just hugs me extra long when she knows,
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you know, I got punched in the guts or in the face.
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But but you just keep on going one day at a time knowing that
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it does build you up.
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Lisa Nichols: Yeah.
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One day at a time.
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I mean Yeah.
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Nick,
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this subject is so poignant right now because we did just
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lose a friend
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on Sunday.
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Nick Vujicic: I'm so sorry.
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Lisa Nichols: Took his life.
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And you look at this person on the outside,
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had everything everything.
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But, you know, what what would you say to
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somebody
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that is even contemplating that?
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Because I my thing is is, like, if you can just find
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one thing to hold on to hope, right, and just
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give it another day before you do that.
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For you, you said you started thinking about your parents
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and thinking about them standing at your graveside, and you love them
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more than you didn't like your life.
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You know?
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But, I mean, I'm sure you've talked to other people that are in this
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season.
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And I I didn't mean to go here, but I want to because I
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think it's,
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you're right.
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There's an epidemic, I believe, of depression and anxiety and and all that
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and people feeling hopeless.
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And you and I know the truth, and I'd love for you just to
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be honest about that.
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What is the truth?
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I mean Yeah.
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What did you anchor what did you anchor your boat on, you know, during
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that time?
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Nick Vujicic: Well, look, first and foremost, five things that, you know, to get out of,
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a hole, if you will,
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because you can't do it alone.
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But here are some five point pointers.
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Number one is write out ten things that you're thankful for
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and, read the blessings out Mhmm.
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And say thank you, God, for these ten things.
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The second thing is write out a different list.
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The three worst days of your life in the last five years,
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and think about how it could have been even worse.
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Now that may seem offensive.
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I just buried, less than ten years ago my biological
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father.
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At least I had a friendship with him.
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At least I could say goodbye.
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Lisa Nichols: Mhmm.
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Nick Vujicic: At least, guys, you're still alive, and you've been maybe hoping for a
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miracle.
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Well, maybe this is the one miracle you've been waiting for,
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the interview moment between Lis Lisa Nichols and Nick Vujicic
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to let you know that there is still hope,
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to believe in something you don't see.
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You know, it it it's faith.
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It sounds foolish.
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The third thing though that you can do is hold on to a verse,
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from scripture.
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My favorite one to hold on to is Philippians four thirteen.
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I can endure all things through Christ who strengthens me, and I even make
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the Nick version of it saying I can endure even this through
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Christ who strengthens me.
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Because the highs get higher, but the lows get lower.
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Lisa Nichols: Mhmm.
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And
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Nick Vujicic: the and the and the perception of maturity and strength actually is
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the gap between the high highs and the low lows.
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And the high highs beats get higher and the lows get lower,
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and that's the life expansion of maturity and experience that we get
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as we get older.
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The fourth thing is to go get counseling.
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Go get a Christian counselor one on one.
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And the fifth thing is go help someone else in need who cannot even
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thank you.
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And I think that's how the five steps have been for me
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to remind myself that when the crap hits the fan, these are the practical
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things.
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As far as the truth, I gave my life to Jesus when I actually
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heard the answer from my biggest question.
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The biggest question was why was I born this way?
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The answer I found in John chapter nine.
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Lisa Nichols: Yes.
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Nick Vujicic: A man was born a man was born blind.
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No one knew why.
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And Jesus said it was done so that the works of God would be
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revealed through him, and Jesus spits in the dirt, makes a clay, puts puts
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it on the man's face, and the dude sees.
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Now Jesus don't sit the blind man down and say, hey.
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My name is JC.
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I'm the healer.
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I'm gonna give you a facial, but when we're done, when you wash, you're
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gonna be good.
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You're gonna see.
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The blind man, though, was the one that really struck
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me,
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not the miracle itself.
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Because if I was blind, I probably would have stopped this
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stranger who spits in the dirt and wants to put mud on my face.
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I would have asked him, who are you?
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What do you want?
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Tell me the plan.
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I'll tell you then if I allow you to do it.
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Yeah.
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It's interesting that the blind man believed blind.
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Mhmm.
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And so it's walk by faith and not by sight.
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Mhmm.
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And so that's what really hit me.
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I'm like, god, I don't need to know the plan.
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I just need to believe that you have one, and today I believe you
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have one.
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Yeah.
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Give me arms and legs, change my circumstance, but if you don't change my
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circumstance, change my heart and use me.
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And I now tell everyone that, you know, when you don't get a miracle,
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you can still be one.
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And the one thing that kept me alive, Lisa, is
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imagining heaven with arms and legs
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and having someone come up to me in heaven and saying, hey.
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You were eighteen years old.
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You don't know who I am.
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I met you, saw you walk by my house, walking your dog.
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And I I met you,
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and you smiled, and I was contemplating suicide.
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But then I saw a limbless dude walking his dog in his wheelchair,
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and your smile challenged me and
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thought, if that guy can smile, then maybe there's hope for
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me too.
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You saved my life, and I then later came to Jesus.
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It's the seeds.
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See, we're farmers.
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We're we're not growers.
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We're farmers.
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We scatter the seed.
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God does the growing.
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Lisa Nichols: Yeah.
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Nick Vujicic: And so imagining now, you know, fast forward now when I'm twenty
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four, I actually meet a dude with no limbs, nineteen month old Daniel
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Martinez with a little foot like mine, and his mother weeping
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saying, thank you for being our miracle.
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You're our miracle.
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We've been praying for a miracle.
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And now Daniel is in college doing business
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and wants to become a speaker and an author like his uncle Nick.
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And, you know, Daniel and Nick are gonna have arms and legs in heaven
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weeping
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and thanking God for this opportunity.
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That's the one thing that has kept me through.
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Lisa Nichols: Yeah.
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Nick Vujicic: If I can just help one person not give up, then it's
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all worth it.
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Lisa Nichols: Oh, amen.
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And you have, Nick.
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My goodness.
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I mean, we'll talk about that more.
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I mean, your impact really is more than you could ask or imagine.
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But if you're not going through what you went through, you know
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I mean, god can do anything.
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He can use anyone.
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Right?
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But he's just used you in such a mighty, mighty way.
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Nick Vujicic: Bless God.
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Lisa Nichols: Yeah.
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For sure.
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I'm gonna ask you just a couple more questions, and then we need to
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take a quick break, and then we'll be right back.
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But, let's talk about your speaking journey because I
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think it was a janitor
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that spoke something into you.
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Right?
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I think he may have been about seventeen or something.
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I just love it.
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It was, like, he'll he, he awoke something in you.
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Right?
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Nick Vujicic: He did.
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You know, my uncle Sam, when I was, like, twelve or eleven, he said,
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one day you're gonna shake hands with presidents.
22:00
I know it.
22:01
And I'm like, yeah.
22:02
Alright.
22:04
And then there was a speaker that came to my school from America called
22:08
Reggie Dabbs, and I was thirteen when he spoke to everyone,
22:12
and his speech is, like, just very inspiring.
22:16
Don't give up.
22:16
I'm like, wow.
22:17
That's so cool.
22:18
That's a cool job.
22:19
Right?
22:20
Like, to speak and get paid to, like, give hope.
22:23
Like, that's cool.
22:24
Lisa Nichols: Yes.
22:25
Nick Vujicic: That would but that was it.
22:26
That was it.
22:27
The janitor at my high school was the one that for two years
22:32
became a friend of mine, and, he prophesied
22:36
over me after he saw me become vice president of the high school
22:40
at grade eleven, freshman.
22:44
No.
22:44
Not freshman.
22:45
What do you call it out here?
22:46
Junior.
22:46
Lisa Nichols: It's a junior.
22:47
Nick Vujicic: Yeah.
22:47
Yeah.
22:48
Yep.
22:48
And I've been here for twenty two years, and I still don't know what
22:51
it is.
22:51
Lisa Nichols: It's okay.
22:52
Yeah.
22:54
Nick Vujicic: And, anyway, so so he said, are you a Christian?
22:58
And, I said, yeah.
23:00
He said, I saw you do a speech in front of fourteen hundred students.
23:03
You were very good.
23:05
Said, oh, thank you very much.
23:06
He said,
23:08
I see that you're a Christian, and God's gonna take you all around the
23:11
world, and you're gonna speak.
23:14
And I laughed.
23:16
I laughed out loud, And I'm like, what are you talking about?
23:19
Like, my brain already I'm already a stock trader, an options trader
23:24
on stock market at age seventeen.
23:28
Gonna go into real estate.
23:29
I'm gonna do financial planning and accounting.
23:31
I'm gonna have employees to be my hands and feet.
23:33
That's what the plan was.
23:35
And this guy is like, you're gonna speak.
23:38
I'm like, speak about what?
23:40
And he said, your story.
23:42
And I said, I don't have a story.
23:44
He says, yes.
23:45
You do.
23:45
I said, no.
23:45
I don't.
23:46
And he said, can I please organize your first speech?
23:49
And for a couple months, I said no.
23:51
And I finally said yes.
23:52
And I was speaking in front of these six students.
23:55
I was so nervous.
23:56
My palms are sweaty.
23:57
My knees were shaking.
23:59
And I just spoke from the heart.
24:00
You know, the testimony that we all have, Lisa, when we know the truth
24:04
that God has a plan and then he can redeem everyone is
24:08
who were you before you met Jesus?
24:11
What were your thoughts and feelings?
24:14
How did you meet Jesus?
24:16
And what did that mean for you now for your thoughts and feelings?
24:21
And that was it.
24:22
And, just shared my my journey, my attempted suicide,
24:27
and people were crying.
24:28
And then they started calling me, said, can you do this church?
24:31
Can you do this school and all that?
24:33
I didn't think much of it, but he was the he was the spark
24:37
that then led me to a school two years later, and this girl
24:41
cried on my shoulder.
24:42
She said thank you.
24:43
No one's ever told me that they love me.
24:45
No one's ever told me that I'm beautiful the way that I am.
24:48
And that's when I knew I was born to be a speaker.
24:51
Yeah.
24:51
And that was two thousand two, and I bought the URL w w w
24:55
dot seven billion souls dot org, which was the world's population back then.
25:00
And so now it's been incredible and
25:04
moved from Australia to America as soon as I graduated And,
25:08
been here ever since, I live in Texas, the great state of Texas.
25:12
Lisa Nichols: Mhmm.
25:12
And,
25:13
Nick Vujicic: we got cows and chickens
25:14
Lisa Nichols: You just went bass fishing?
25:16
Nick Vujicic: We just went bass fishing, and we got some catfish too
25:20
and cooked them up and went tubing on Lake Fork,
25:25
and I drive the boat.
25:26
That's what we love to do.
25:28
Have fire outside and cook some fish over the open fire and
25:32
see the sunset and go fishing and just play board games when it's raining.
25:37
We play Monopoly with my kids and, cash flow.
25:41
I don't know if you heard of cash flow board game by Robert Kiasat.
25:44
Lisa Nichols: No.
25:44
Is it good?
25:46
Nick Vujicic: It's an excellent board game.
25:47
Lisa Nichols: I wanna
25:48
Nick Vujicic: I actually wanna make my own version of it.
25:50
It's so old, but it's it's good for the kids.
25:52
Yeah.
25:53
Financial literacy is really common in our home, and so we
25:57
we love to go fun and talk about God and making a difference.
26:01
So, you know, my oldest son, he's thirteen.
26:04
He's got two companies, and he gave away three thousand dollars to the
26:08
poor and needy and, Dallas downtown homeless veterans.
26:12
And, it's not because I told him to do so.
26:15
He just sees what what his daddy does and how he does it and
26:18
how he saves money and how he gives money away.
26:20
And so, you know, leading leading our country well starts in our homes
26:25
and and praying for revival, that's where it begins.
26:28
It's at our home.
26:28
So
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Lisa Nichols: Amen.
26:29
Nick Vujicic: We're we're so happy, man.
26:31
We've I've gone through a really rough fifteen months, and and you know a
26:34
little bit about it.
26:35
Mac Granada knows a little bit about it.
26:37
Sean Copeland knows a little bit about it.
26:39
And, Sean's been a great friend too.
26:42
But it's, you know, you go through ups and downs, and it just means,
26:46
there's more refining to be done, and God's preparing me for for next
26:51
level of of life and my speaking career.
26:55
You know, now that I've got four kids, I don't wanna leave them as
26:58
much.
26:59
Mhmm.
27:00
You know, they're only young once, so we're shifting our assets to now
27:04
readjust to passive income and also, starting
27:08
coaching.
27:09
Something online that that he can do something behind the camera, do
27:13
some roundtable coaching and help people write their book, help people polish
27:18
their story, and also become a speaker if that's what they're being called to
27:22
do.
27:22
And so Billy Graham always said that we're all the next Billy Grahams.
27:26
And we were privileged to meet him in his home, me and my wife,
27:29
when we were engaged in twenty eleven.
27:32
For forty five minutes.
27:33
He talked straight, and it was beautiful and prayed for us.
27:36
And, I just want everyone to know that we've all got a story and
27:41
and a place in this world and a purpose that God has for us.
27:44
And and so that's the next journey, next season in my journey.
27:48
And we're happy in Texas and moved away from California five years
27:52
ago for multiple reasons, and, we're we're excited
27:56
for this next season of life.
27:58
I'm only in my mid forties, and
27:59
Lisa Nichols: Yeah.
28:01
Nick Vujicic: I'm I'm really looking forward to the next twenty years.
28:03
Lisa Nichols: Well, it's like Ken Blanchard said, to me when he was on the podcast.
28:08
He goes, the best is yet to come.
28:11
You know?
28:11
And you have got so much exciting stuff.
28:14
And I wanna talk about we do need to take a quick break, and
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we'll be right back with Nick on the Something Extra podcast.
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Lisa Nichols: So welcome back, everyone, to the Something
28:55
Extra podcast with my dear, dear, amazing, inspirational
28:59
friend, Nick Vujicic.
29:03
Nick, I wanna talk about this because you you talked about being a stock
29:06
trader.
29:07
And, you know, you went on to get a degree in accounting and
29:12
finance and, but at twenty at nineteen
29:16
years old, you went to to Africa, South
29:20
Africa.
29:21
You wanted to save the orphans, and you gave away twenty thousand
29:25
dollars.
29:27
I mean, this this idea
29:30
of giving started with you at a very young age.
29:34
You know?
29:35
What, you know, what compelled that bold obedience?
29:39
And I'm sure you felt God calling you to do that.
29:43
Nick Vujicic: You know, it it it's it's it's really all thanks
29:47
to God through my parents.
29:50
My parents fled communism regime in former Yugoslavia in nineteen
29:54
sixty two.
29:55
My mom was six when the military took her dad to
29:59
jail.
30:00
He had possession of a Bible and was a pacifist, and they didn't
30:04
like that.
30:06
It was mandatory to shoot the enemy during the war at that point.
30:10
And then he was given an ultimatum after,
30:14
abuse and starvation to go pick up wounded soldiers
30:19
on the field.
30:20
Was that against your religion?
30:21
No.
30:22
So that's what happened.
30:23
He escaped, ran all the way home, and got the
30:27
kids and fled the country.
30:30
If you were not orthodox,
30:33
in former Yugoslavia, you were seen as a cult leader.
30:38
And so my dad's dad as well in nineteen sixty nine
30:42
fled the country after he went through jail, got shot,
30:47
picking up wounded soldiers, recovered, got
30:51
his family, and left for Yugoslavia.
30:54
So both of my parents, they met in Australia, but they were in refugee
30:58
camps for two years.
31:01
And
31:02
when we grew up around the dining table, my brother and sister who
31:06
have arms and legs, we always heard the stories of what
31:11
food they had or lack of Mhmm.
31:14
And how their home when they did have a home was dirt floor.
31:19
And my dad and mom always said when when you get up on
31:23
your own two feet, son, don't forget the people who cannot.
31:29
And so, it was at age nineteen I also sponsored,
31:33
ten compassion international orphans around the world,
31:37
for thirty eight dollars a month,
31:40
and, yeah, went to Africa.
31:42
At that time, in two thousand two, the Internet was
31:46
really, really fresh.
31:50
In two thousand two, I recorded me preaching
31:54
three different messages, went on a DVD, and the DVD went viral.
31:58
That's how you reach the world, back in the two thousand,
32:02
two thousands.
32:04
I I had got seventy million views of a different DVD
32:08
that was uploaded, ripped, if you will, up on YouTube.
32:12
So I was the first viral speaker,
32:15
to go viral as a teenager, but it was always about helping
32:19
people and bullying and resilience and all that.
32:22
Google says that I'm the number three speaker in the world today,
32:27
and I'm so blessed
32:31
to always
32:33
bring up in convo with my kids about their granddaddy
32:37
that they don't remember.
32:38
Mhmm.
32:39
And, you know, my mom and stories with them and giving back.
32:44
So it's always been a part of who we are and why
32:48
we believe what we believe.
32:50
It's it's because someone who had something always gave
32:54
to someone else, and so my parents would also tell us the the generosity
32:58
that they received when they came to Australia.
33:02
But not to lean upon that, but get up on your own
33:06
feet and give to someone else.
33:08
And so that's where that came from.
33:10
It was an incredible, incredible trip at age nineteen.
33:14
Lisa Nichols: Legacy.
33:15
I mean, you know, that's what your parents did for you.
33:18
Nick Vujicic: Now I
33:18
Lisa Nichols: mean, you they and you just grew up modeling what you saw in them,
33:22
which is so beautiful.
33:23
Now your kids are doing the same, so I love it.
33:27
Nick, I mean, I I would just encourage our listeners, and we'll try to
33:30
put some of this in the show notes.
33:31
But there are YouTube videos out there of you skateboarding,
33:37
surfing, playing music, hitting a golf ball,
33:42
a vacuuming
33:44
when you're a little.
33:45
I mean, I just I I just love that.
33:48
I mean, really, I mean, you just you haven't let anything stop you.
33:53
Nick Vujicic: Thank god you you you keep going.
33:56
My biggest inspiration today is my wife.
33:58
We've been through a lot.
34:00
We've had some external attacks,
34:05
reasons why we moved out of California.
34:07
Lisa Nichols: Mhmm.
34:09
Nick Vujicic: Cancel culture.
34:10
I got canceled out of Chase JPMorgan in twenty nineteen
34:14
and, had some, very difficult years
34:18
of transitioning from California to Texas.
34:21
And, that was before COVID happened, and then COVID happened.
34:25
And so the shutdown as a speaker was difficult as
34:29
well.
34:30
But, look, it's it's it's made us stronger, and
34:34
we have a saying at home, it gets better.
34:37
You know, no matter how bad it gets, it's it gets better.
34:40
No matter how good it gets, it gets better.
34:44
And so we we we're we're thankful.
34:47
You know, and maybe maybe it's because I'm I'm a little spoiled.
34:51
We get a lot of wonderful testimonies from people
34:54
Lisa Nichols: Yeah.
34:55
Nick Vujicic: Writing into our ministry, nick v ministries dot org, about how
34:59
a video saved their life or read a book and it changed
35:03
their perspective and,
35:06
just so blessed to to at least see just a fraction,
35:12
of the
35:12
Lisa Nichols: impact.
35:13
Yeah.
35:14
And that's priceless, isn't it?
35:16
Nick Vujicic: I I think that's what has helped me a lot.
35:18
Oh.
35:18
I think I think it's though it's those stories Yeah.
35:21
You know, that that says, okay.
35:23
It's really rough right now, but do you remember, Nick, when?
35:27
Lisa Nichols: Yes.
35:28
Yeah.
35:28
Right.
35:29
Oh, that's so good.
35:31
Well, I love how at the very beginning, you were talking about the gratitude
35:35
and making sure that you're writing those things down.
35:37
And it is good.
35:38
I mean, that's you know, all throughout scripture, God, like, was constantly
35:43
setting up things to remember.
35:45
It's not because he forgot.
35:48
It's because he knows we forget.
35:49
Right?
35:50
Nick Vujicic: Exactly.
35:51
Lisa Nichols: And so whether it was building an altar or, you know, whether it was,
35:55
you know, Passover, you know, whatever it was.
35:57
I mean, we we need to take that time just to remember his
36:01
goodness and what, you know, what he's done, and that that certainly
36:06
helps you, you know, get through.
36:08
It's like you haven't let me down yet, God.
36:10
You've been faithful, and I know you're gonna be faithful again.
36:13
Nick Vujicic: Amen.
36:14
Lisa Nichols: Oh my goodness.
36:15
And then sometimes, you know I mean, Nick, you even talked about it, praying
36:19
for arms and legs.
36:21
It's like that trust even when your circumstances don't change.
36:26
Yeah.
36:26
And I think that's you know?
36:28
But to your point, though, that's faith.
36:32
Without that trust yeah.
36:34
That's faith.
36:35
It's not you're not walking by sight.
36:38
Yep.
36:38
Right?
36:39
So
36:40
Nick Vujicic: because I I I know he can do it.
36:42
And if he wants to do it, he can do it.
36:43
Yeah.
36:44
But if he doesn't, then he's got a reason.
36:46
Lisa Nichols: Yes.
36:46
Nick Vujicic: For Physical healings, no one can tell me for sure if god's gonna give
36:50
me arms and legs.
36:51
Mhmm.
36:53
But I can tell you his perfect plan will happen if I allow
36:57
him to hear my yes
36:58
Lisa Nichols: Yeah.
36:59
Nick Vujicic: My yes every day.
37:00
Lisa Nichols: Yeah.
37:01
That is so good.
37:02
Yeah.
37:04
Yeah.
37:04
Now I read somewhere where you have a goal.
37:08
What's your goal?
37:09
I mean, you you'd said at the beginning, there's seven billion people.
37:12
Now there's eight billion people.
37:15
You have a goal, you know, of reaching how many people?
37:20
Nick Vujicic: Yeah.
37:20
Look.
37:21
I'm gonna stream.
37:21
Lisa Nichols: And I hope.
37:23
Nick Vujicic: Yeah.
37:24
Yeah.
37:24
In by twenty twenty three, we actually preach the gospel, for
37:28
a total of twenty million dollars over twenty years.
37:32
Seven hundred and fifty million souls heard
37:36
the gospel of Jesus Christ, broadcasted on national television.
37:41
In twenty twenty three,
37:44
we then made a a goal that over the next
37:49
was at that time saying twenty twenty nine.
37:51
So between let's talk six to seven years.
37:56
We would reach another billion with the gospel.
37:59
So twenty twenty five and twenty twenty six, we reached
38:03
under a further hundred and forty six million people for two
38:07
point six seven cents a soul.
38:10
And, we're so so blessed.
38:12
There's a twenty minute, mini documentary highlighting
38:16
the twenty years.
38:17
We just celebrated that anniversary in November last year.
38:21
And so we have another,
38:24
what would that be?
38:24
Eight fifty million,
38:27
over the next years to then reach a total,
38:31
subtotal so far of one point seven five billion here in the
38:35
gospel.
38:36
So today, a billion people in China has
38:41
been acquainted with my story motivationally, so not with the gospel.
38:45
Lisa Nichols: Mhmm.
38:45
Nick Vujicic: A billion people in, India, same
38:50
as two billion Yeah.
38:51
Motivationally.
38:52
Yeah.
38:53
And nine hundred and fifty million people have heard, have heard the
38:57
gospel of Jesus Christ,
39:00
so far.
39:01
And so we do have that goal, and I think in nine
39:05
years I don't know why.
39:06
I just like numbers, but for some reason, I'm like, by age fifty two,
39:12
I have a by age fifty two goal
39:14
Lisa Nichols: Yes.
39:15
Nick Vujicic: That I'm praying over, and I just I just don't think
39:19
it's that difficult to make a difference in the world
39:24
if if we come together?
39:26
Yeah.
39:27
I imagine two hundred million people giving two
39:31
dollars a day,
39:34
which is a hundred and forty six billion a year
39:38
to build hospitals, schools, and orphanages
39:41
and alleviate the suffering of humankind.
39:45
That's my that's my next ten year goal.
39:47
And I'm going into productions, going into movies Yes.
39:50
Animation for kids, and, stuff that I can
39:54
reach people, not just with a message for the heart,
39:58
but tangibly as well.
39:59
I think I think it really should go hand in hand.
40:01
I think a lot of the church has lost their goodwill,
40:06
that we used to have Yeah.
40:08
Twenty years ago, twenty five years ago, and we're kinda more of a
40:12
seen as a country club gathering once a week that happens to be on
40:16
a Sunday that don't read their Bible from Monday to Saturdays and
40:20
not aware of what righteous accountability is and,
40:25
reading the Bible every day.
40:29
And so it's kind of where I believe revival is.
40:32
I I'm sick and tired of the word revival as an evangelist.
40:35
I think it's a disgusting word, not because of what God
40:39
means for it, but I think it's just being abused, misused so much
40:44
so much
40:46
that I don't even like the word anymore.
40:48
It's that bad to me.
40:50
It's almost blasphemy where people think revival is
40:54
because how many people are at a gathering for how many nights.
40:59
It's not a revival.
41:00
Revival is when the church gets ready for
41:04
the second coming
41:07
of Christ, and
41:10
I think revival is when a half a million able churches
41:15
can pick up one foster kid off the list.
41:18
It's when we don't have thirty two thousand homeless veterans in Dallas.
41:23
Yeah.
41:23
Yeah.
41:24
I I think that's when revival has begun.
41:27
Lisa Nichols: Yeah.
41:27
So
41:28
Nick Vujicic: I I think that's kinda where I'm leaning towards these days.
41:32
Yeah.
41:32
We we go through international doors and and reach tens of millions at a
41:36
time.
41:36
I struggle to find five churches to do one thing together here
41:41
in the cities.
41:41
Mhmm.
41:42
So I'm actually walking away from the cities.
41:44
I'm going to Deep East Texas.
41:46
We're going to Lubbock, Texas.
41:47
We're going to Tulsa.
41:48
We're going to Arkansas and Alabama and some of the country towns,
41:53
you know, in regions that that evangelists don't generally go to.
41:57
I I think they're gonna be a little bit more hungry for lost souls.
42:02
Lisa Nichols: Yeah.
42:02
For action.
42:03
For action.
42:04
You know?
42:05
Not just in word only, but indeed.
42:07
Right?
42:08
Nick Vujicic: Yeah.
42:08
Lisa Nichols: That's so good.
42:11
Well, let let's talk about this because I'm so excited.
42:14
I am so excited about this.
42:16
Let's talk about your film that is coming out, I believe,
42:20
in September.
42:21
Right, Nick?
42:22
Nick Vujicic: Correct.
42:23
Twenty fifth of September twenty twenty six will be on one thousand five hundred
42:27
screens distributed through Fathom Entertainment.
42:30
And, we have a distributed partner called Echo as well.
42:34
You know Michael Scott really well and everyone there.
42:38
And, we're we're so thankful.
42:39
We're partnered with them too for the distribution of this.
42:42
Our good friend, Ben Edwards, founder of Good Works Hub, has
42:46
a crowdfund investment platform,
42:50
specifically for movies.
42:52
And, we are excited that no limbs no limits
42:57
is coming out, and we have a live crowdfund opportunity
43:01
for investors whether you're accredited or an
43:05
unaccredited investor, which means you got a million net or less.
43:11
It's not about how much money we have.
43:13
It's not even about the money and the twenty percent return that you'll get
43:18
if all goes well, but it's it's really about the kingdom impact
43:22
purpose behind it.
43:23
Mhmm.
43:24
It's a film about my life story that is an extension of our ministry
43:28
as a tool.
43:29
You see never seen before home footage.
43:32
My mom is interviewed.
43:33
My brother and sister are interviewed, and the janitor
43:37
who spoke over my life.
43:39
Lisa Nichols: I love it.
43:39
Nick Vujicic: The janitor.
43:41
Yeah.
43:42
Yeah.
43:42
And so, you know, we we we we really,
43:46
don't hold back anything.
43:47
You know, as a family, we want people to know how difficult it really
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was.
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Lisa Nichols: Mhmm.
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Nick Vujicic: The childhood, the bullying, the suicide,
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how my siblings were affected.
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Lisa Nichols: Right.
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Nick Vujicic: My brother being in my shadow.
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Mhmm.
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My mom,
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taking four months, you know, to process her emotions,
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being
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a mother of her firstborn son, no limbs,
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no medical reason why, no warning.
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Mhmm.
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You know, it took her four months to hold me and
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and call me her own, if you will Yeah.
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With peace.
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They did take me home, but it it took time.
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And I think the rawness and transparency, and then the speaking
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career and meeting my wife, my wife's interviewed slightly there, and
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Carla who's been with me for twenty years, and and a caregiver,
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Peter Tafoya, who's who's with me for five years, and just traveling and
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all these snippets of just a very enriched life
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to help people know that Nick does have limits.
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But when I give my broken pieces a chance in the hands of God
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who could do all things,
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all things do come together for the good and do turn out
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beautifully in his time.
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Doesn't mean it's easy, and it's still not easy.
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Yeah.
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But when you don't get a miracle, go ahead and be a miracle for
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someone else.
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That's the whole the whole thing.
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And so, you know, if you wanna see the trailer and the crowd fund
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that's live, go to nick v film dot com.
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Mhmm.
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Nick v film dot com.
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We're raising five million dollars right now in increments as small as two hundred
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and fifty dollars,
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to actually complete the production acquisition for
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creative control and distributive decision making, as
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well as three million dollars for marketing.
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So we need this money now, as quick as possible, so
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please tell your friends.
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Yes.
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Let's get behind this.
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And, it's the last requirement of investment, and
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those in the crowd fund get the first money back.
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So they participate in the recoup and the twenty percent
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ROI,
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as part of the entire project, and they're the first to get their money
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back and paid as an investment.
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But imagine, Lisa, we're talking about heaven for a second.
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Lisa Nichols: Mhmm.
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Nick Vujicic: Someone go into a cinema and saying, wow.
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If God had a plan for a man without arms and legs to be
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his hands and feet, then maybe God has a plan for me, and we
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all can be a part of that.
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And you're a massive fan of The Chosen.
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Lisa Nichols: Yes.
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Nick Vujicic: And, I just had Dallas Jenkins on my podcast
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as my first debut, episode, no limbs no limits on
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my YouTube channel.
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But, you know, it's it's fun to be a part of that crowd effort
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to be a part of something bigger.
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And so no limbs, no limits is coming out to theaters, and we'd love
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for you to be
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Lisa Nichols: a part.
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So excited.
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Yes.
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Please, listeners, you know, just, see how you can get involved.
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And, you know, you said something earlier, Nick.
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I mean, we can all do something.
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We can all do something.
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Right?
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And so,
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I I know that The Chosen has been so life changing
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for so many people.
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I've had people tell me that,
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they look at god differently now after seeing
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that.
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And, I know your film is gonna do the same thing, Nick.
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It's gonna do the same thing.
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So we just we just can't wait.
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We cannot wait to continue to see what God is gonna do and how
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he's gonna use you in your life and, just so grateful for you.
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But, you know, let me ask you this.
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Oh, and I know that you met, Johnny Erickson
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Tyler.
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Nick Vujicic: Yeah.
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O'Leary.
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Lisa Nichols: Who I had.
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Nick Vujicic: Oh, Johnny Erickson Tyler.
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Lisa Nichols: Yes.
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Oh, yeah.
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And you know John O'Leary too?
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Nick Vujicic: Yeah.
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Lisa Nichols: With the Soul on Fire, we love John O'Leary.
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But, I love this because Johnny was on my podcast.
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I can't remember.
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It's probably six months or so ago, and I just loved
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my conversation with her.
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But she told you take one day at a time in the strength of
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God, and you will become more than a conqueror.
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And I just taking one day at a time, and you've said that a
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couple of times.
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Just one day at a time, and we will have to boil the ocean
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because sometimes it's hard to look too far.
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But if we just take today and like you said in the beginning,
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consider make the choice today to look at our life
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and believe that God has a plan.
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I think it's just so important.
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Nick Vujicic: Amen.
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Amen.
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And amen.
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Lisa Nichols: So let me ask you this.
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This is called something extra, Nick, and I ask Yeah.
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Every guest this question.
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What do you believe, Nick, is the something extra that every
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leader needs?
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Nick Vujicic: So many things.
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Humility.
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Yeah.
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I think the I think the older I get, the more I
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I realize I need it more.
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Lisa Nichols: Yes.
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Nick Vujicic: I think we don't like to sit, consider,
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contemplate, bathe,
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and bask
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in our mistakes, in our foolishness,
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in the the quick answers before we really prayed, in
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the decisions we really short should have brought our spouses in
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on
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as a team Mhmm.
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Thinking that you're a a good parent until something goes bad
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or wrong or unexpected,
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it's like as long as everything's going okay, then I think I guess I'm
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okay.
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Lisa Nichols: Yeah.
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Nick Vujicic: But even as Matt Granados has been coaching me, it's like
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stop
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and assess.
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It's not that just things are good or wanting to get better.
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It's, I think, the word fulfillment really comes in, and
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I think the humility that it does take to know that you're not where
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you're really supposed to be in different areas of your life or
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because two or three areas of your life are great, it means everything's great.
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It's not true.
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Lisa Nichols: Mhmm.
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Nick Vujicic: And it takes humility to stop and think and reflect and admit
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and then confess and then correct and align and realign.
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Lisa Nichols: Yes.
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Nick Vujicic: And so that's that's what has
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really been the pertinent front of my mind
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focus and and target for me.
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Lisa Nichols: That's so good.
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That is so good.
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Well, I could not agree more.
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That's the first chapter in the something extra book is humility.
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Humility.
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Yeah.
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Because
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Nick Vujicic: I gotta read that thing.
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Lisa Nichols: Because without it, Nick, I mean, we can start thinking I got this.
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Nick Vujicic: Yep.
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Lisa Nichols: I got it.
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Right?
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Nick Vujicic: Yep.
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Lisa Nichols: And
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the blessed life is the surrendered life.
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Just say, no, god.
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I need you.
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Apart from you, I can do nothing.
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You know?
51:07
And so, yeah, I think the humility, it's
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there's a lot wrapped up in that.
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A lot wrapped
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Nick Vujicic: up in that.
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And, generally, when you write a book, that one's that was probably the last
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chapter Mhmm.
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In most books.
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Yeah.
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But for you to start it there is is so important.
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Lisa Nichols: Yeah.
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Nick Vujicic: But, yeah.
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Look.
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I'm I'm excited.
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I I want I want you to come and talk about something extra on
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my podcast.
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And if anyone's interested to check out that channel with Dallas
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Jenkins, it's my YouTube.
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So go to Nick v official dot com.
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Nick v official dot com and
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Lisa Nichols: Nick v official.
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There.
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Okay.
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That's it.
51:44
Alright.
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Nick Vujicic: And then you'll you'll see me and Lisa.
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And I'm Lisa.
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I'm gonna be in the chair to give you four pages of questions, which
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you didn't get through.
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I'm sorry.
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My answers were probably too long
51:54
Lisa Nichols: to do.
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It was just right.
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It is exactly what needed to be said, Nick, and I just thank you
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so much because I know I know about your I know your schedule.
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I know I know that, you know, you've you've got
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a lot on your plate, so I just appreciate just being in the room
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with you, really.
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Nick Vujicic: I love you.
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Yeah.
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God bless you and your podcast.
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And, Lord Jesus, we thank you for our listeners.
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We ask God that you reach out to them and give them, Lord, a
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touch of your spirit and your love, and we thank you, God, for what
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you have for us.
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And we give you all the praise and all the glory, Lord, for what
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what you've done, what you're doing, and even behind the scenes, we have no
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clue on.
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And, Lord, may you just help that one person who's thinking of giving up
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to not give up
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Lisa Nichols: Yes.
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Nick Vujicic: To speak your face and to hold on to truth and keep on going
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one day at a time.
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In Jesus name, we pray.
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Amen.
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Lisa Nichols: Amen.
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Amen.
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Thank you, Nick.
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Nick Vujicic: Love you, Lisa.
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Lisa Nichols: You too.
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Bye bye.
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Have a great rest of the day.
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Nick Vujicic: You too.
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Bye bye.
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